Extra points if there’s a highly emotional moment when he accidentally hurts her and runs away thinking he’s a danger to her, while her parents just go “SEE THIS IS WHY YOU CAN’T BE TOGETHER”
Kind of like that scene in Monsters Inc where Sulley scares Boo and then has a disagreement with Mike? What matters is not merely the presence of a particular scene but how it is pulled off.
@@tjsmith5276 True! that scene worked in the broader context of the movie’s theme. so it felt unique and not a rehash of all the other “betrayal” movie moments. Sully scared the “wrong” child, and finally realized the trauma he was putting children through. All because of corporate assholes trying to manipulate the monsters into not feeling guilty for frightening innocent children by saying they were toxic and dangerous.
Can we make this comment thread for ending theories and guesses😂 mine is that they are finally gonna touch and more then likely the water guy will “die” and become steam then they can be together so the world elements learn they can mix and make other elements im almost 1000% confident in this theory
@@boinggerss1560 I feel like they will reach a point in the movie where they decide they can’t be together and they go back to their lives without each other…. But then maybe there’s a scene where some character makes a cup of tea/coffee/warm liquid and comments on how nice it is that it’s better when it’s hot but not scalding and maybe they realise they are good for each other but they need boundaries (literal ones) or something like that.
I would love to see a movie about a young character trying to leave the family business or thinking their old grandma is wrong but then they realize the family business isnt so bad, and the grandma has wisdom. Idk. Grandmother willow was wise and I miss familial mentors like that besides just saying "follow your heart" there is other wisdom to glean and not just generational trauma. 🤷🏼♀️
I cant help but think of Princess and the Frog where although she is pressured by her father's dream to open a restaurant its mostly just her pressuring herself too hard, no family shaming.
That would be amazing in Polish setting - we had this mentality of "Murrican stuff good cause Murricans wealthy" and "Polish stuff bad cause Polish people poor and PRL and zabory and in Murrica they have their own houses, and we're forced here to live in 7 story commieblocks where neighbors' dog barks with ass at 3am". And then someone says "screw this mindset", takes Polish book, Polish music band, Polish retro village surroundings and creates The Witcher III: Wild Hunt ruclips.net/video/S9zqXmraFKQ/видео.html :P
The Last Jedi kind of had a similar dynamic between Holdo and Poe Dameron where the two are arguing about the best strategy against the First Order, Poe rebels but then Holdo gets the last laugh since she's the "wise elder statesman" figure. If it were an older Star Wars film or something like Top Gun, the movie would've sided with Poe Dameron for sure, being the cool "rebel" or "maverick" who breaks rules that really ought to be broken, but since Rian Johnson wanted to "subvert expectations" it was the stuffy, out-of-touch higher-up that we're supposed to root for I guess. I didn't really like this part of the movie but it seems somewhat similar to what you're talking about.
When you consider Elemental Spirits the ones classified as Earth in this Movie are not actually Earth Elementals but a mix "Plant Elemental" (Earth and Water [Dryads and Nymphs can be considered Plant Elementals]). Being a big fantasy Reader and Gamer just had me shaking my head at this movie.
People being far more excited for jokes and even romantic plot than the emotional core of the story just shows how tired everyone is of "generational-conflict-solved-by-being-yourself" stories. Let that dead horse rest for a while lol Other than that looks kinda cute!
I truely want a gay love story but its ok i can stick with the elementals love story its something 💖 but yeah there are a lot of ideas then family trauma cuz we saw it almost way to many times in our lives
About 6ish years ago we wanted Disney movies without obvious villains like racism and generational trauma. Now we want villains that are bad because they want to. Disney doesn't hear that I guess.
Geez I thought Disney was overdoing the self mockery of their own tropes and twist villains too much but generational trauma is next and its spilling into Pixar? Uh no thank you
My issue with some villain portrayals is the lack of realism or commitment. I like a bad guy who is bad and isn't automatically changed by the power of friendship. But A nuanced villian is great as well. The problem is a lot of these companies just overdo it. If something made money they all jump on the bandwagon. Everybody copied Pixar after their success with 3D, now its seems to be the Spiderverse treatment. People are now getting tired of the Pixar/ Disney look and praising movies like Spiderverse. Mitchels vs the machines was the same people but the Bad Guys and Puss and Boots are just following the money. there are so many beautiful art styles out there that aren't given the time of day, all they need is a compelling story to compliment the look.
@@olli-lfePuss in Boots had a mix of art styles. Basically something that didn't take up too much time and budget so that the team could focus on the story and everything else. They're basically not trying to compete with Disney in animation anymore.
@@eeveeofalltrades4780 yea there was a mix of styles but they were pretty much derivative of the ones in spiderverse. Contrasting Graphic imagery, motion lines, distorted perspectives, 2D overlays, digital paint over 3D forms, similar use of color. the difference was they didn't go as deep into the comic book aesthetic. They would have looked silly if they did a one-for-one and what Sony did took like 800 animators so yea budget and time was a factor. I'm not doggin the movie just pointing out the trend.
@@P-P-Panda yeah same. the animation looks cool & stuff, but I feel like the storyline's gonna be the same generic generational trauma stuff we've already heard about like 5 times now
@@rayanna7188 I wouldn’t say the concept is generic. I think it can be seen that way because it’s doing two of Disney’s popular tropes: Generational Trauma & Two Different Worlds. Turning Red, Encanto, & Coco all deal with generation trauma but I wouldn’t say any of those 3 are generic stories, all unique in their own ways and have different methods for addressing that topic. All 3 movies touched on generational trauma but all have different plots. As long as it’s not the generic generational trauma like Strange World is: “No Dad this is what you want”, it should fine. As for Two Different Worlds, Disney did that trope in almost every film from 1989 til now. The renaissance films had the same generic formula but the movies themselves weren’t generic because of the execution, so we will just have to wait and see. Trailer does look generic but Pixar’s only good trailers are Soul & Incredibles 2.
Zootopia was all about how nobody is really what they appear to be. It's all about stereotypes and racism (species-ism), and some characters using those stereotypes to gain power and revenge, even though Zootopia is presented as a utopia.
I think people are a little tired of "family bad" movies. Not necessarily that it's "bad" to follow in your family's footsteps, but it's clear that none of these characters actually want to do these things and it's seen as "good" when they break away from it. I just wish we could see something different. I'm not even a huge movie watcher, but the same movie with a different coat of paint isn't really going to get me excited just because a couple of gags are interesting.
i understand how straying away from your family is a healthy message for some that they need to hear to accept their own differences, but for once as someone who values familial connections i want to see a main character who also reflects this same value, someone who values their traditions and bonds just as much as their own individuality. coco came close but still insisted on the message of “tradition bad >:( tradition irrational” which i mean i understand its use as a vehicle for easy conflict but i just want something DIFFERENT
I agree I think breaking away from family is only healthy if your family is actually very toxic. But to Disney, apparently any misunderstanding or not being ok with their kids doing whatever they want is “toxic”. And I don’t like that message being promoted because while there are disagreements, progression vs tradition, I haven’t seen an example of a movie where a parent was right to have a say, concern or a valid opposition in the decisions that their son or daughter was making. Because in real life, your parents aren’t always “wrong” just because you FEEL differently about their perspectives. Disagreements are normal and kids should develop their own voice yes. Parents can be wrong about some things, but the message that they are always wrong at the end of every story… def something that always happens in Hollywood and entertainment industries.
@@cocothedino_2901 did we not just have Disney’s Encanto less than 2 years ago? Mirabel valued her family tradition and bonds as much as her own individuality, she just wasn’t allowed to embrace them because she didn’t fulfill the gift requirement of her grandma. Her entire goal was to save her familys tradition and to feel like a great addition to her incredible family that she spends the movie bragging about! Literally all she wanted to do is be part of the families tradition. So you indeed did get something different. Maybe that’s why Encanto is one of Disney’s most successful films ever because it was different. But it’s funny y’all say this when there’s only been 3 disney movies since Encanto.
@@miergarz3060 I agree that Encanto was a good addition. But we’re still seeing a pattern mostly where the protagonists in these worlds are always the sons and daughters and the families are wrong. That does happen but last time parents were reasonable was in the 90s and 2000s such as The Lion King with Mufasa or Emperor’s New Groove with Pacha. It’s difficult to be the spokesperson on healthy love to the world. Especially if Hollywood doesn’t get other perspectives and varied lessons outside of their disconnected selves from strict but good parents that do have a point about life. They have done that with Coco and Encanto, I can tell. But the messages they don’t teach Such as: “Pursuing your dream isn’t always feesable, success rate is low, have a back up plan or try a different route.” But the actors or voice actors got to be the 10% successful and not the rest of the ppl that can’t afford to live in LA anymore. Toy Story 4 definitely didn’t do a good job with that. Cuz Betty had to be a baddie and mean to Woody. How does he respond, he left his friends/family for her. That doesn’t go well in real life and many people end up regretting doing things like that under those specific circumstances of staying with mean gf and leaving good family behind yet nah cuz you gotta “follow your ‘heart’”. So I hope they can really tackle the problem of water extinguishes fire, cuz I’m sure her family wouldn’t want her hurt or worse. I’m just hoping this movie doesn’t end with a modern ideal message that isn’t practical or realistic. That’s mainly what I’m hoping. Edit: Soul actually did show an example of not all dream jobs being as satisfying as it seems on the outside tho.
@@anitadarling4592 did you not ever stop to ask yourself why stories about breaking free from the shackles of demaning families and outdated family traditions got so popular? Maybe because a lot of people could relate to it?
Zootopia seems to make the animals lives easier but in this trailer the elements all seemed inconvenienced if not put in danger by their surroundings 😭
@@Pinkkittie5006 i think the predators eat fish and/or some kind of meat substitute. I think theres a fish shop visible in the tundra environment judy goes through while on the train so they should be still getting all the nutrients without eating their friends
This movie's silliniess is at level with Cars. Disbelief must not be suspended, it must be dead and buried. Anthropomorphic elements is just too absurd as a concept, it could work if the movie wasn't trying to take itself seriously!
They keep making these completely imaginative worlds and then putting them all in a human society. What is the point of all of this world building if at the end of the day you’re basically just telling a regular story about regular people in regular people towns and cities?? It’s like they’re shuffling millions and millions of dollars to create some of the most beautiful art I’ve ever seen but the story is crap. It’s literally the most beautiful piece of shit I’ve ever seen.
That’s been my frustration with these kinds of movies as well. It just seems so wasteful to me in coming up with these awesome designs, lore, etc and then just plop them in a city 😩 Once or twice is fine, but it seems to be a consistent thing nowadays. The only time it kinda works is if there’s humans around as it usually goes with the idea of the non-human beings fitting in or doing something different, so the audience sees that comparison right away. Apart from that, I just don’t like the “fantasy in modern city” style.
@@P-P-Panda Fr!!! Why would a world full of LITERAL ELEMENTS look/act/dress the exact same way as humans? And zootopia does the same, all the same body standards and gender stereotypes. Wild stuff. Zootopia is a good movie tho so no hate
Honestly the gags and this world have been done in a million animated shorts, some done by Disney themselves. Like I could see this working as a short but it doesn’t hold enough water *badum tss* to be a movie. It feels incredibly cliche the whole two people from different backgrounds or races fall in love. They did it in Pocahontas, The Rescuers, Aristocats, Lady and the Tramp, Princess and the frog, Aladdin, Hunchback, Cinderella, Atlantis, The little mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and so on an so forth. Even if they are just friends that’s been done in Lilo and Stitch, Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and of course Zootopia. And for anyone saying “but ahhh they are elements this time” That was done already too…IN FRIGGIN SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL.
Hold on man. There's still plenty of room for nuance in this movie. We know The Super Mario Bros movie is going to have a basic premise where Luigi gets kidnapped and saved by Mario and look how many people are excited to see that. You could say Puss in Boots: The Last Wish has a similar premise to Pixar's Soul and those two movies are pretty awesome in their own right. Heck, you could say Ratatouille is similar to Star Wars because they both involve a gifted boy from a farm guided by a fallen mentor to take down a guy in black. Plus all of those movie you just listed even though they have similar premises hold up well on their own, right?
@@TECfan1 That is partway correct. Shark boy is not an element but Lavagirl certainly is. She is the element of fire\light. As far as their world they are not from a world filled with elements however people that represent elements live in it like Mr. Electric being the embodiment of electricity and the ice princess being the embodiment of ice. Everyone else is just made up dream nonsense. I chose them because they are the most recognizable duo that does the whole fire and water relationship but the one that actually comes closer is an underrated not at all known film called The Sea Prince and the Fire child which I would recommend checking out. There’s also fireboy and water girl too but again most people don’t know them so I just chose the most well known version of that type of relationship.
On the subject of Luca, Lucas’s parents really frustrated me because the mum’s attitude didn’t make sense to me, like the grandmother seemed cool with surface world, so why was mother so against it, I wished the film showed us the parents point of view or why they were so annoyingly strict. They have done this In so many of their films but for Luca, the parents were just ignorant and set their ways which came off as lazy to me
because luca and fam lived near a human settlement and they thought humans hunted seamonsters, which they actually did. So the fear was legit. the grandma had secretly been visiting the town so she was chill about it. I suppose telling her daughter that "hey these people who genuinely hate and hunt us are chill actually as long as you don't accidentally get water on your skin". seemed kind of futile.
Well, sometimes there are cases where the grandparents are more open-minded than the parents. It’s not often the case, but I assume for Luca, the grandma at some point had tried living in the human world and unlearned some of the beliefs that Luca’s parents still held onto.
In addition to the comments above I think Luca cus its set in Italy was going for that "traditional family" which Italians have and Italian parents can be like that just say "no" for no reason just to be stubborn without explaining themselves. Also Italian families are matriarchal and they showed that there.
Well the humans in Luca did want to hunt the sea creatures until they realized that Luca was not a monster and was a good person. So it makes sense to me that the parents would be afraid.
@@TECfan1 i don’t have a issue with them being afraid, and it does actually makes sense, it just felt really one note, and very strange compared to grandmother’s attitude being different since she’s a older generation. I just want to know what experience do the parents have with humans that justify their fears.
The premise; two people from different worlds and personalities growing a close bond/breaking down barriers, is actually very common. Romeo and Juliet is the first thing that comes to mind, though that's two rivalling families.
Side note: "That 'Why do you let others tell you how to live your life'? line has been in so many Disney movies." Yes! Heck, it's been there since the Little Mermaid.
@@AttemptedVoices You know what the real question is: Who are U tell me how to live my life?? You’ve only known me for like a week give or take? If I’m truly independent, I wouldn’t be listening to you telling me to be independent now would I? 😏🧠💡
@@anitadarling4592 And now my question is: Listen! You think you can show up and tell me how to live my life!? You don’t even know what I’ve been through!
So the fire girl's family is like the one in Coco, not supporting her and forcing her to follow their traditions. The water boy said the famous line who sounds very similar to '' You choose who you want to be! '' from the Iron giant. Thoses elements (Ha ha 😂) are in other movies and in this one too. Also, like you said, the town is similar to Zootropolis; every animals, elements in this case, are walking in a giant location. So far, the story is not very original BUT the animation is pretty. It's not enough to make the movie amazing but better than nothing. I'll watch this Romeo and Juliet story, give it a chance!
Can't believe you didn't mention Coco. Another story about a family wanting the protagonist to stick with the family business/ways and not do anything different. Coco was spectacular though!
When I first heard about Disney-Pixar's upcoming film Elemental, I had high hopes for a unique and creative story. As a fan of fantasy stories, I thought this would be a great opportunity for Pixar to push their boundaries and use their animation skills to create something out of the ordinary. However, as more promotional material was released, it became clear that the film's premise was rather simplistic and familiar, resembling other recent Disney-Pixar movies like Inside Out and Zootopia. While I still expect some clever gags and entertaining moments (which hopefully aren't all in the trailers) in Elemental, I can't help but feel disappointed that Pixar hasn't taken more risks with the story and world-building. The most interesting story they've had in recent years was probably 2020's Soul, while the most original was Turning Red... Overall, I still plan to see Elemental and hope that it will surprise me with some unexpected twists and a heartfelt message. But I can't help but wish that Pixar would be more daring and explore more unconventional themes in their films. As a studio with so much talent and resources, they have the potential to create truly groundbreaking works of animation. I'm just saying, they really need to justify why their films shouldn't be dumped onto Disney+ anymore.
@@dylansharp8471 Aside from Soul, they haven't done anything exciting lately. Everything just seems to be [insert creature here] cosplaying as modern humans. Or one-offs which are trying to promote genuinely good messages, but bungle up the story so much you can't help but roll your eyes.
I thought the EXACT SAME THING, when I first saw the teaser. I was like, why does this feel similar to zootopia? I'm telling you Disney has no ideas left. Can we just PLEASE get a story where it's not about the kids having to not fill their parents shoes?! I think unique story idea would be for this to be about the fire people being segregated because they cause to much harm and about the water people being the most valuable because they fix everything. But the fire girl learning how her element could actually be more beneficial to society and even aid the water people. Could even be an element of where climate control or something big is happening and they gotta figure out what to do.
Thematically it kind of reminds me of “The Sea Prince and The Fire Child” - it’s an old anime movie that’s basically Romeo and Juliet but Romeo is a sea spirit and Juliet is a fire fairy. And now I’m hoping this movie ends with the two main characters dying by fusing into steam to overcome some problem and their parents getting upset and then the kids come back to life somehow.
the message of soooooooooo many of these films is Break Tradition, Break the Rules, Rebel Against Authority, and Follow Your Heart (i.e. Mulan, The Little Mermaid, Coco, Luca, Brave, Turning Red, Tangled, Strange World, Smallfoot, and Elemental)
Eh, I wouldnt put Mulan in that list (unless you’re talking about the remake). She did go against the rules/tradition/etc but only out of necessity. She only ever questioned tradition for her father’s sake, not her own. Once the war was over, she went back home to have a normal, traditional life. Mulan’s message isn’t about going against authority, it’s don’t be something you’re not and honing your skills to succeed (at least the original, anyway.)
Must say that this trailer feels quite overwhelming to look at. Personally think there's too much going on with the design of the fire characters. But perhaps that's just the trailer being filled with short cuts etc? Let's hope so.
I really think Disney-Pixar is trying to visually copy Ghibli. Luca, Turning Red, even Encanto in some ways feel like they're borrowing elements (no pun intended, but hey) from Ponyo or Howl's Moving Castle or Pom Poko. And now possibly Totoro or Spirited Away (those fire characters definitely look like a ripoff of Calcifer from Howl). And I'm not implying that they're plagiarizing, but I think that Disney just doesn't have an identity anymore. The people in charge decided that what came before them was either "too offensive" or too old fashioned and it doesn't matter. Hence all the remakes, sequels, and reboots; that's just Bob Iger pissing all over the originals like a dog marking its territory. The animation departments, and especially VFX departments, sound like miserable places to work, how creative can anyone be when they lists of mandates they have to follow?
I disagree about encanto, the story takes inspiration from Gabriel Garcia Marquez’s “100 years of solitude” which is a magic realism book, so the reason it has that ghibli-esque vibe is because of that
There's a good reason for it, though. Money and risk. Making a big hollywood blockbuster is really, really expensive - easily in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Studios aren't going to risk that much money on something new and untested. They look at other successes, with a good established history of profitability, and try to mimic those. That way they can be fairly confident of making the sort of thing audiences will like.
The animation with the creativity, visuals, and designs are amazing. They pop with so much color. I feel like Disney is copying all their old stories and can’t really come up with another creative story.
ill definitely watch for the visuals but I will be pleasantly surprised if they story isn't a rehash of everything disney has made the past few decades
I would like to say, in defense of Onward, I think it is unfair to say that it is a generic “following in your parents footsteps” movie. That movie is misunderstood by a lot of people, but for the people who have lost a parent at a very young age, that movie is a masterpiece. Not everyone understands it, but the lives of the characters (minus the magic) and the life of the screenplay writer is very similar to my own life and what my family has experience. It was a spot on movie, and I think the reason some people think it missed the mark is because they have a hard time relating to it, especially the ending
No one has seen the movie yet, how do people have a hard time relating to it... also the creator based this movie off his parents and said he loved them very much and this movie is about appropriating the sacrifices they make for us. And then describes the characters based on his parents as bigots, is that what makes you relate to this story and movie
@@birdsbirdsandmorebirds6251 that's fair. I wouldn't change the ending because in my opinion, that would be cheap. We don't get to bring our parents back from the dead in the real world, so watching it in a movie would kind of feel like a slap in the face, but also Onward heavily relies upon the audience having experienced the exact same kind of loss. I also have an older sister, who filled the same role as Barley to Ian in the movie, so I felt like the ending was perfect. If you don't have a good relationship with our siblings, or if you don't have a sibling at all, the ending won't be very relatable. Idk if that is the case for your dad or not, and even if it is, to each their own
Glad to see some love for Onward. I don't personally relate to it a lot, but in spite of its flaws it's still an engaging and heartwarming story. It's always interesting to see the discrepancy of opinions between the general audience and those who connect with it more deeply.
The animation for all elements are really good, I just wish the setting was in a more fantasy style. It would have felt more magical and that’s what Disney needs to be again.
Not a fan of how much Disney is pushing to disobey parental figures when parents are suppose to be 2 of the few people a child, that these movies are targeted towards, should be trusting.
If only it could have been where they believe in her so much that she feels overwhelmed. Kinda like Isabella’s storyline from Encanto, but expand on that point. Bc there’s always the feeling of trying to make your parents proud and upkeeping a certain disguise that doesn’t really fit your personality. She could become fiery and angry for not being who she is then this water dude shows her how to go with the flow. I know the movie’s already been made, but they really slacked off on the storyline potential with elements connecting to emotions. I miiight see it in theaters, but I definitely won’t be running over during the box office drop.
See, this is the problem I have with Disney and heck even Pixar movies. The concepts for certain things on paper sound really intriguing, especially a movie that's based on elementals. Yet the story doesn't feel any different or fresh from the other movies. Basically, it's going to be. "Well, why can't elements coexist? Our parents and peers shouldn't be able to decide what we can and can't do." Ugggggh, my god, I'm just so tired of this, and it sucks too because I do really like the art and designs of the movie. It does, however, feel like it's going to be a generic "Be yourself" kind of film (not going to watch this film. I am tired of Disney and Pixar in general)
i always looked at pixar as a studio who puts the art design first and the story second, looking at it this way you can put the focus on making something that looks good, and in all honesty they have sort of always kept to a simple feel. ill be it with a few exceptions.
That may have been the case back in their hay day, but with movies like Spiderverse, Pixar just looks boring nowadays. Like there’s nothing exciting about their animation style anymore. Luca was an exception.
I disagree. Their stories usually stand up to the visuals. Up until Cars 2. Then they have been hit or miss. But visuals before story has definitely not always been a thing until recent years.
With movies like this and Strange Worlds, I think Disney is just churning out stuffs for the fillers, something harmless, colourful, made from recycled materials. They don't intend it to be creatively challenging or award winning like Inside Out, Encanto, or Soul. It's just cheap easy things that maybe sells a merch or two millions. Pretty sure we'll see more of it later.
What sucks too is that this could 100% be a film about generational trauma and have a new plot instead of just reusing the same thing over and over again.
There's was a time where I was so excited for every animated Disney/Pixar movie and would run to the theater, now I'm like 'eh, I'll wait for it to be on disney+'. I genuinely hope this is good and not as cliche as I'm thinking it could be
I think the problem they met the set very present time like zootopia. But if they had made it like an old European town or something we don’t see often it would be way more interesting to look at. The city looks too modern and nothing new. A different time period would have made ir much better😊
I think it would be so fresh for this movie to have moral like "elements REALLY can't coexist because you know THEY CAN'T". it would be cruel, but at least something new
For a movie about going against societal prejudice, the world is shockingly sanitized. Even though "elements don't mix", the world they present is a city where all the elements live together, and the water guy just gets to not be prejudiced while keeping his family and community. If they want to present an honest message about fighting for change, they should actually portray the struggle that comes with it.
I know it would be too thought provoking for either Disney or Pixar current year to do but this sort of story trope has been told so many times and so much better. An example I can think of is Beastars. The way the story is told in Beastars comes off more real and relatable than Zootopia. Now don't get me wrong, I loved Zootopia but the problem is that anyone who doesn't agree with our message is an enemy and are just bad because they want to keep the status quo. Whereas in Beastars the division of carnivores and herbivores was because there were elements of danger in the scenarios were both were involved. Just like in real life, someone could get injured or killed. The characters had to deal with the hardships of what animal they were, how they were perceived by others, and their own internal struggles of their beastly nature. It was presented in a way that you can understand why certain laws were set in place for safety but can also see why the same law could be abusive towards carnivores and abused by the same herbivores the law was supposed to protect. Lots of cultural stories that involve the intermingling and sharing of different experiences lack the true dept of discussion that is thought provoking and help people to come to their own conclusions instead of being told what to decide.
Literally my first thought after watching the trailer was: I have seen it a thousand of times. No twist, no surprise factor, I'm not interested in the slightest.
I kinda feel for these movies where they're constantly saying "no one understands me so I should make the movie I always wanted to see" without realizing that everyone feels this way so instead of getting heard they just blend in
Villains! Villains! Villains! Where the HELL are the villains?! Why does modern Disney think that overbearing parents and generational trauma are acceptable substitutions for villains?!
I would be fine with generational trauma if they did it differently! Parents can 100% be villains and they don’t have to be step mothers to be just like that. Shoot, just show an evil parent. Make a story about emotional abuse.
I'm *hoping* (against hope, let's be honest) that it ends with Ember saying something like "Yeahhh, I've considered other paths now, but I still like my family's the most." It isn't gonna happen, but it'd be amazing if they set us up in the trailers only to finally break the chain like that.
The ironic thing about this is that I am currently in the process of writing a young adult fantasy novel about Elementals and the main female character is a fire elemental named Ember who eventually falls in love with a male water elemental and its a forbidden romance kind of thing where fire and water can't be together. I never knew this trailer existed and it surprised me how much of my own ideas I saw here. lol, looks like I have to come up with a new story idea.
Not necessarily. If it's clearly it's own story and you put a lot of care into the writing it could still work. Some ideas have been done many times, but it seems to be how the writer goes about writing the idea that makes it stand our from the rest rather than the idea itself.
Maybe it would be interesting if the elements would mix and new elements would evolve from that. And you can find new character trades for the elements. I think that fire and water are a good match by the way and they can have interesting chemistry.
Looks like whoever led the animation team really had fun with this concept. Beautiful city, lots of distinct visuals, and really pushing the idea of what people made of the elements can do and how to use that to create both wonder and humor. Seriously, the gag of them walking through the fence and asking why they even have them is gold. Sadly looks like as you said a story where the focus is going to be on a girl with very traditional parents who want what THEY think is best and not what SHE thinks is and she has to overcome the way of life. Its not that, THAT type of story can't work. It has in the past and will again in the future, but they haven't really been that impressive in recent years.
Tbh I thought from the teaser this would be more of an asexual romance commentary. We don't get that representation anywhere. Like, "Oh no, they can't touch each other but they want to be together", yeah what if they don't want to touch each other, and their love can be on their own terms? It would be a neat spin on the 'find your own person story' they've got going revealed now. 'Elements cannot mix' and yet here are 'normal' elements mixing at every turn. Fire girl isn't about that, yet she learns that those feelings are valid and that there's other elements like her. This is COMPLETELY a me problem though. Even without that approach, the film looks beautiful, if a bit rocky in story department.
I wish there were more movies that tackled the actual feelings of people who both love working in their family’s business but end up going down a different path with their family’s support.
Tbh, I really find it fascinating how people still believe and want to have faith in Disney Corp. I would understand if they just started to be bad and have mediocre products, but Disney have been awful for years. We should just ignore it and realise they are just not good🤷🏽♀️
ur killing it with these weekly uploads and each video is just as good as the last :) im not feeling the visuals of this movie so far and the story isnt clear, but im hoping that changes when its released. either way this is the first pixar movie in theaters in a while so i will be seated
I feels like Pixar is going to rely on the visuals of this film, which is kinda a bummer. I hope it’ll look cool in 3D to make it worth the theatre experience.
The movie should really be titled, "Oh, we're doing this again?" This is once again Disney's agenda to turn kids away from their parents so they can be brainwashed. This is why I prefer Dreamworks now. They're just making good stories that treat their audiences like adults. I'm actually more excited for Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken. No pandering.
You know, apart from maybe a few examples, DreamWorks does tend to do the “parent-child” conflict thing better. The obvious one is Stoick and Hiccup. The first movie is about the two learning how to talk to and relate to one another, with the ending having both come to respect each other. The second has that “reluctant heir” vibe, but I like how it was less of Hiccup wanted to goof and only want the positives of leading (like say Simba did as a cub) and more like he doesn’t think he can ever live up to Stoick’s example and doesn’t want to disappoint his dad. Po and Mr. Ping have a slight issue when it comes to kung fu and the noddle shop, but both choose to mix up the two. Po still helps his dad and Mr. Ping does what he can to support his son (and make a quick coin if the opportunity arises). Mr. Peabody and Sherman is a dad trying his best for his boy. They argue about Mr. Peabody not telling Sherman about him possibly being taken away, but Mr. Peabody is partially correct that a kid shouldn’t have to worry about that. And Mr. Peabody learns his son is growing up and Sherman can start making decisions for himself. There’s some other examples, but I think the main thing that works is both the child and parent come from a place of love and respect for each other. Neither one is fully in the right or in the wrong, and the resolutions involve both working together. That I think is a much better lesson for kids and adults to take. Acknowledge one side can be right and some of your points can be wrong, and work together so both gain something in the end.
Honestly, this trend that Disney and Pixar are doing is tiresome, and unoriginal. They apparently didn't seem to learn from Puss in Boots' success. How about we get a more traditional story again, with the Hero wanting to be a hero, rescuing a damsel in distress, and a villain being evil for the sake of being evil whom the Hero has to stop? Can we go back to classic storytelling, the Heroes journey? No more of this generational, social, political crap.
Well, I agree with you apart from the damsel in distress since Puss in Boots didn't really have one because all the main characters in the Last Wish had their own strengths/weaknesses. Plus, Dreamworks is known for not going for the traditional story but rather subverting it to make it more interesting.
@@suspiciousstar7547 To be fair there's literally nothing wrong with damsels in distress as long as the narrative doesn't imply that that's all there is to all women. At this point basic "guy saves girl" done right would feel more fresh and fun than many mainstream stories trying to subvert it.
I think it looks pretty cool actually lol I’m hoping they’ll actually make them a couple and change it up and show a story about how it’s okay to be in love.
I kind of wish that the story would be more about ember WANTING to continue the family tradition, but she would have to decide wether to go with the water guy, or do what she loves. In the end, she either does both or ends up choosing another path. It’s still generic but at least it’s different from recent pixar movies. The animation is amazing though!
Disney, here's a storyline: Sister needs organ transplant but she's an intergalactic, interspecies adoptee. Mom stays to care for her + she's a scientist involved in research. Dad + kids go on adventure to find Sister's kin. So many things possible. Does the mom find a cure? Create a new organ? Does she find out her adopted daughter is a sophisticated android spy? Do they find her parents? Is she just a clone from a planet's death army? Does she die? Does her species turn into something else after death?
Here's another: A family: kids, parents, and aunt. Aunt one day stops going out of the house, then she stops coming up for dinner, then she stops leaving the basement. The kids start feeling that their house is haunted. They hear creaking floorboards, moaning, crashing furniture. They find blood. Did the aunt die and become a ghost? Are there demons in the basement? Did she get ill? Can they catch it? Why is mom suddenly absent at the dinner table? Okay, this one's about mental health. I really desperately want this to be a Disney movie.
I think they should have more elements in the movie like light, shadow, electric ,metal and oil etcetera. It will make more interesting dynamic and interactions between these elements.
I want them to make a movie like this and subvert all the expected tropes. Like she realizes that her parents arent trying to hurt her or stifle her growth, but they actually have good reasons for the way they think. And the dangers of trusting somebody who tries to subvert who you are as a person. I think it could actually make a good movie
I may be wrong, but I think there's something behind the fact that it's fire and water. Fire = only follows Fire where it spreads, "burns as fire should burn" Water = water is not just in one place, there is something here, and there (small puddles, for example) is flexible, moving on, it can be whatever he wants Sooo your lines just look alike... Well, them!!! The girl who accompanies the family, the boy who has a sense of freedom(I think) Like, he can be anywhere, but she can't, and the train scene (where she burns the tree) makes me think my theory makes sense (even because of their personalities, which seem to match their element!) I hope the plot is something like, he wants her to be free, to have her own feelings, but he also tries to prove that the elements can really mix the whole movie because yes, he loves her, he wants it to be possible and for that he would do the impossible and he wants everyone to be wrong until the moment they both find out that grandma was right... It seems that it was possible for a second, but everything goes wrong. Well, I know it still sounds cliche, but I think this way we can have more action and excitement moments with great moments! It would bring us cliches, good parental insight and more! Either way, I'm very excited to watch it!!!!
I prefer to let movies stand on their own merits. As long as they can tell an entertaining, creative story that keeps my attention, I don't care if it's not 100% original.
Another great review. I had some of the same thoughts when I saw the trailer -fun visuals, samey story. It gave me Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs vibes sometimes.
I could usually care less if an original film has a theme I've seen before. Most films are copies, homages, or repeats of other existing stories. To me, personally, if the journey itself from point A to point B is interesting in that you make a used theme/cliché seem new in some way and you've got worthwhile characters then I'll likely end up liking it. I mean look at "How to Train Your Dragon". That movie is full of clichés, but it's still a good movie because it made its clichés feel new and fun.
You know what, even before Zootopia came out, the trailers made it out to be a "mystery movie" and that got me excited! I just rewatched one of the trailers and they were LIGHT on showing any racial stuff, which was good because it focused on the story and our 2 main protags. Here with this trailer is was copy and paste, only they definitely focused on the 'racial stuff' more. Only thing I'll give credit to is the animation looks amazing.
Family business is such an ancient trope. Like, 19th century old. Young people today just don't live in that world. I didn't, and my parents didn't, and my dad was born in 1929. People work for companies and send out CVs and so on. They have careers. Why are they still writing stories about kids forced to take over the family shop?
idk, i’ve always loved this trope and it really helped me through times where i’ve struggled with this own internal conflict in my personal life, but at the same time i would love to see something along the lines of a young character who tries to be “part of the crowd” inevitably forgetting the past they grew up from. then, feeling unfulfilled, they go home to their family to realize they can carry the unique aspects of their home with them as PART of their identity, integrating it both into their own identity of themselves! i’ve found that in my opinion it truly is just as important as the other in understanding one’s self and leading a happy life
Honestly I wish they went with the whole water girl and fire boy theme. Like it could be an Indiana jones, action adventure to find a treasure and use it to stop a bad guy who wants to kill all elements. I know it’s complex but I just miss the action adventure animated movies.
Well who cares if you're nervous if you will not pay to watch it.😂 Anyway, Elementals is like watching a product inspired from Zootopia, Soul, Inside Out, Frozen 2, and Avatar The Last Airbender. I'm loving it.
This movie is definitely incredibly generic but it's still like, geared toward kids Also the "elements cannot mix" line is kind of odd cause like, you need water for the plants to grow, and you need clouds and water to make rain (I don't exactly know how rain is made don't come at me) so I feel like that line is kind of dumb lol
Still not feeling it, but I suspect 50% of the plot summary "I'm joy, this is sadness" dialogue will be cut from the real movie. I remember when Olaf was in the Frozen trailer and I thought 'oh no' but then frozen surprised me. Every character that isnt Fire and Water feels like Olaf...
It's funny that both movies (zootopia and elemental) use a similar scene to demonstrate the differences between the people that live in those worlds. Both take place in a train or train station and use the environment of that setting to show us how a hub like that has to be adapted to work for everyone and is used as a way to transition the main character into their new life and propels them into the plot of the film. This is just furthering the idea that elemental is just zootopia rebranded.
Can't believe the line "I LIKE THE WORD MOIST" is actually written by a professional writer hired by a multi billion dollar company. Folks, this is a sign you should throw away all your impostor syndrome
Extra points if there’s a highly emotional moment when he accidentally hurts her and runs away thinking he’s a danger to her, while her parents just go “SEE THIS IS WHY YOU CAN’T BE TOGETHER”
Omg yes, I bet this is gonna be near the end in this movie
@@niewazna3 seems likes a halfway point and then we get into some twist that becomes the 'actual' plot
Yeah
Kind of like that scene in Monsters Inc where Sulley scares Boo and then has a disagreement with Mike? What matters is not merely the presence of a particular scene but how it is pulled off.
@@tjsmith5276 True! that scene worked in the broader context of the movie’s theme. so it felt unique and not a rehash of all the other “betrayal” movie moments. Sully scared the “wrong” child, and finally realized the trauma he was putting children through.
All because of corporate assholes trying to manipulate the monsters into not feeling guilty for frightening innocent children by saying they were toxic and dangerous.
I really like the animation but I think the story looks really formulaic and I can already tell how it will end.
Yup my thoughts exactly
I hope they focus on the romance and not the generational trauma. It’s been so long since Disney has given us a good old fashioned love story.
Can we make this comment thread for ending theories and guesses😂 mine is that they are finally gonna touch and more then likely the water guy will “die” and become steam then they can be together so the world elements learn they can mix and make other elements im almost 1000% confident in this theory
Oh shit… is Wade a manic pixie dream boy?
@@boinggerss1560 I feel like they will reach a point in the movie where they decide they can’t be together and they go back to their lives without each other…. But then maybe there’s a scene where some character makes a cup of tea/coffee/warm liquid and comments on how nice it is that it’s better when it’s hot but not scalding and maybe they realise they are good for each other but they need boundaries (literal ones) or something like that.
I would love to see a movie about a young character trying to leave the family business or thinking their old grandma is wrong but then they realize the family business isnt so bad, and the grandma has wisdom. Idk. Grandmother willow was wise and I miss familial mentors like that besides just saying "follow your heart" there is other wisdom to glean and not just generational trauma. 🤷🏼♀️
so like Coco? Kinda?
I cant help but think of Princess and the Frog where although she is pressured by her father's dream to open a restaurant its mostly just her pressuring herself too hard, no family shaming.
This is ver random but that description reminded me of a movie called “Hop” about the Easter bunny 💀
That would be amazing in Polish setting - we had this mentality of "Murrican stuff good cause Murricans wealthy" and "Polish stuff bad cause Polish people poor and PRL and zabory and in Murrica they have their own houses, and we're forced here to live in 7 story commieblocks where neighbors' dog barks with ass at 3am".
And then someone says "screw this mindset", takes Polish book, Polish music band, Polish retro village surroundings and creates The Witcher III: Wild Hunt
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The Last Jedi kind of had a similar dynamic between Holdo and Poe Dameron where the two are arguing about the best strategy against the First Order, Poe rebels but then Holdo gets the last laugh since she's the "wise elder statesman" figure. If it were an older Star Wars film or something like Top Gun, the movie would've sided with Poe Dameron for sure, being the cool "rebel" or "maverick" who breaks rules that really ought to be broken, but since Rian Johnson wanted to "subvert expectations" it was the stuffy, out-of-touch higher-up that we're supposed to root for I guess. I didn't really like this part of the movie but it seems somewhat similar to what you're talking about.
I wish there were more elements like lightning, metal, rock, light, etc rather than just those four core elements.
Same
Although most of them aren't elements if you take chemistry.
I'm guessing there will be and that'll be a twist from Ember breaking the mold or something based off how these stories tend to go
When you consider Elemental Spirits the ones classified as Earth in this Movie are not actually Earth Elementals but a mix "Plant Elemental" (Earth and Water [Dryads and Nymphs can be considered Plant Elementals]). Being a big fantasy Reader and Gamer just had me shaking my head at this movie.
Same here
But that could also be me growing up with Ninjago and being used to those elements
People being far more excited for jokes and even romantic plot than the emotional core of the story just shows how tired everyone is of "generational-conflict-solved-by-being-yourself" stories. Let that dead horse rest for a while lol
Other than that looks kinda cute!
Yeah the generation conflict storyline isn’t that interesting anymore
Yes because of Fire and Water it was from that coolmathgames
Literally I'm here for the love story lol
I truely want a gay love story but its ok i can stick with the elementals love story its something 💖 but yeah there are a lot of ideas then family trauma cuz we saw it almost way to many times in our lives
Hey, it depends on how's done man.
About 6ish years ago we wanted Disney movies without obvious villains like racism and generational trauma.
Now we want villains that are bad because they want to. Disney doesn't hear that I guess.
Geez I thought Disney was overdoing the self mockery of their own tropes and twist villains too much but generational trauma is next and its spilling into Pixar?
Uh no thank you
The classics are classics for a reason
My issue with some villain portrayals is the lack of realism or commitment. I like a bad guy who is bad and isn't automatically changed by the power of friendship. But A nuanced villian is great as well. The problem is a lot of these companies just overdo it. If something made money they all jump on the bandwagon. Everybody copied Pixar after their success with 3D, now its seems to be the Spiderverse treatment. People are now getting tired of the Pixar/ Disney look and praising movies like Spiderverse. Mitchels vs the machines was the same people but the Bad Guys and Puss and Boots are just following the money. there are so many beautiful art styles out there that aren't given the time of day, all they need is a compelling story to compliment the look.
@@olli-lfePuss in Boots had a mix of art styles. Basically something that didn't take up too much time and budget so that the team could focus on the story and everything else. They're basically not trying to compete with Disney in animation anymore.
@@eeveeofalltrades4780 yea there was a mix of styles but they were pretty much derivative of the ones in spiderverse. Contrasting Graphic imagery, motion lines, distorted perspectives, 2D overlays, digital paint over 3D forms, similar use of color. the difference was they didn't go as deep into the comic book aesthetic. They would have looked silly if they did a one-for-one and what Sony did took like 800 animators so yea budget and time was a factor. I'm not doggin the movie just pointing out the trend.
When I saw the trailer I immediately knew what kind of movie it will be because I've seen disney re-use this plotline at least 3 times.
Yeah I don’t wanna watch this 💀
Yeah like the fox and the hound, the lion king 2,, it’s such an overused plotline 💀
Mmmmm is very different
@@P-P-Panda yeah same. the animation looks cool & stuff, but I feel like the storyline's gonna be the same generic generational trauma stuff we've already heard about like 5 times now
@@rayanna7188 I wouldn’t say the concept is generic. I think it can be seen that way because it’s doing two of Disney’s popular tropes: Generational Trauma & Two Different Worlds. Turning Red, Encanto, & Coco all deal with generation trauma but I wouldn’t say any of those 3 are generic stories, all unique in their own ways and have different methods for addressing that topic. All 3 movies touched on generational trauma but all have different plots. As long as it’s not the generic generational trauma like Strange World is: “No Dad this is what you want”, it should fine. As for Two Different Worlds, Disney did that trope in almost every film from 1989 til now. The renaissance films had the same generic formula but the movies themselves weren’t generic because of the execution, so we will just have to wait and see. Trailer does look generic but Pixar’s only good trailers are Soul & Incredibles 2.
Brittney: "This isn't Elemental! This is just Pixar's Zootopia."
Zuko: "Britteney, that's what all modern Disney movies are!"
True lol
@It's Crystal Clear You've won my respect for finishing the quote.
That doesn't matter, anybody who's a Pixar hater is a traitor to me lol.
XD
Zootopia was all about how nobody is really what they appear to be. It's all about stereotypes and racism (species-ism), and some characters using those stereotypes to gain power and revenge, even though Zootopia is presented as a utopia.
I think people are a little tired of "family bad" movies. Not necessarily that it's "bad" to follow in your family's footsteps, but it's clear that none of these characters actually want to do these things and it's seen as "good" when they break away from it. I just wish we could see something different. I'm not even a huge movie watcher, but the same movie with a different coat of paint isn't really going to get me excited just because a couple of gags are interesting.
i understand how straying away from your family is a healthy message for some that they need to hear to accept their own differences, but for once as someone who values familial connections i want to see a main character who also reflects this same value, someone who values their traditions and bonds just as much as their own individuality. coco came close but still insisted on the message of “tradition bad >:( tradition irrational” which i mean i understand its use as a vehicle for easy conflict but i just want something DIFFERENT
I agree I think breaking away from family is only healthy if your family is actually very toxic. But to Disney, apparently any misunderstanding or not being ok with their kids doing whatever they want is “toxic”. And I don’t like that message being promoted because while there are disagreements, progression vs tradition, I haven’t seen an example of a movie where a parent was right to have a say, concern or a valid opposition in the decisions that their son or daughter was making.
Because in real life, your parents aren’t always “wrong” just because you FEEL differently about their perspectives. Disagreements are normal and kids should develop their own voice yes. Parents can be wrong about some things, but the message that they are always wrong at the end of every story… def something that always happens in Hollywood and entertainment industries.
@@cocothedino_2901 did we not just have Disney’s Encanto less than 2 years ago? Mirabel valued her family tradition and bonds as much as her own individuality, she just wasn’t allowed to embrace them because she didn’t fulfill the gift requirement of her grandma. Her entire goal was to save her familys tradition and to feel like a great addition to her incredible family that she spends the movie bragging about! Literally all she wanted to do is be part of the families tradition. So you indeed did get something different. Maybe that’s why Encanto is one of Disney’s most successful films ever because it was different. But it’s funny y’all say this when there’s only been 3 disney movies since Encanto.
@@miergarz3060 I agree that Encanto was a good addition.
But we’re still seeing a pattern mostly where the protagonists in these worlds are always the sons and daughters and the families are wrong. That does happen but last time parents were reasonable was in the 90s and 2000s such as The Lion King with Mufasa or Emperor’s New Groove with Pacha.
It’s difficult to be the spokesperson on healthy love to the world. Especially if Hollywood doesn’t get other perspectives and varied lessons outside of their disconnected selves from strict but good parents that do have a point about life. They have done that with Coco and Encanto, I can tell.
But the messages they don’t teach Such as: “Pursuing your dream isn’t always feesable, success rate is low, have a back up plan or try a different route.” But the actors or voice actors got to be the 10% successful and not the rest of the ppl that can’t afford to live in LA anymore.
Toy Story 4 definitely didn’t do a good job with that. Cuz Betty had to be a baddie and mean to Woody. How does he respond, he left his friends/family for her. That doesn’t go well in real life and many people end up regretting doing things like that under those specific circumstances of staying with mean gf and leaving good family behind yet nah cuz you gotta “follow your ‘heart’”.
So I hope they can really tackle the problem of water extinguishes fire, cuz I’m sure her family wouldn’t want her hurt or worse.
I’m just hoping this movie doesn’t end with a modern ideal message that isn’t practical or realistic. That’s mainly what I’m hoping.
Edit: Soul actually did show an example of not all dream jobs being as satisfying as it seems on the outside tho.
@@anitadarling4592 did you not ever stop to ask yourself why stories about breaking free from the shackles of demaning families and outdated family traditions got so popular? Maybe because a lot of people could relate to it?
Zootopia seems to make the animals lives easier but in this trailer the elements all seemed inconvenienced if not put in danger by their surroundings 😭
Idk if the animals live easily (cause im still wondering what the predators eat) but yeah it seems more dangerous to mix here
@@Pinkkittie5006 i think the predators eat fish and/or some kind of meat substitute. I think theres a fish shop visible in the tundra environment judy goes through while on the train so they should be still getting all the nutrients without eating their friends
@@Hambone_Fakenamington that's good they got something then
@@Hambone_FakenamingtonThey also could be getting white meat from birds since only mammals are sentient in Zootopia.
This movie's silliniess is at level with Cars. Disbelief must not be suspended, it must be dead and buried. Anthropomorphic elements is just too absurd as a concept, it could work if the movie wasn't trying to take itself seriously!
Just by watching the trailer i literally feel like I have seen the movie
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Same
They keep making these completely imaginative worlds and then putting them all in a human society. What is the point of all of this world building if at the end of the day you’re basically just telling a regular story about regular people in regular people towns and cities?? It’s like they’re shuffling millions and millions of dollars to create some of the most beautiful art I’ve ever seen but the story is crap. It’s literally the most beautiful piece of shit I’ve ever seen.
That’s a great description!
No seriously it could straight up be actual humans and nothing would change besides the element powers
That’s been my frustration with these kinds of movies as well. It just seems so wasteful to me in coming up with these awesome designs, lore, etc and then just plop them in a city 😩 Once or twice is fine, but it seems to be a consistent thing nowadays.
The only time it kinda works is if there’s humans around as it usually goes with the idea of the non-human beings fitting in or doing something different, so the audience sees that comparison right away. Apart from that, I just don’t like the “fantasy in modern city” style.
@@Brittney_Reacts_ thx queen, love ur vids🤙
@@P-P-Panda Fr!!! Why would a world full of LITERAL ELEMENTS look/act/dress the exact same way as humans? And zootopia does the same, all the same body standards and gender stereotypes. Wild stuff. Zootopia is a good movie tho so no hate
Honestly the gags and this world have been done in a million animated shorts, some done by Disney themselves. Like I could see this working as a short but it doesn’t hold enough water *badum tss* to be a movie. It feels incredibly cliche the whole two people from different backgrounds or races fall in love. They did it in Pocahontas, The Rescuers, Aristocats, Lady and the Tramp, Princess and the frog, Aladdin, Hunchback, Cinderella, Atlantis, The little mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, and so on an so forth. Even if they are just friends that’s been done in Lilo and Stitch, Fox and the Hound, Toy Story, and of course Zootopia. And for anyone saying “but ahhh they are elements this time” That was done already too…IN FRIGGIN SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL.
Not to mention Avatar…
Lmaoo frr
Hold on man. There's still plenty of room for nuance in this movie. We know The Super Mario Bros movie is going to have a basic premise where Luigi gets kidnapped and saved by Mario and look how many people are excited to see that. You could say Puss in Boots: The Last Wish has a similar premise to Pixar's Soul and those two movies are pretty awesome in their own right. Heck, you could say Ratatouille is similar to Star Wars because they both involve a gifted boy from a farm guided by a fallen mentor to take down a guy in black. Plus all of those movie you just listed even though they have similar premises hold up well on their own, right?
Shark Boy and Lava Girl were not elements lol. And they didn't live in a world of elements.
@@TECfan1 That is partway correct. Shark boy is not an element but Lavagirl certainly is. She is the element of fire\light. As far as their world they are not from a world filled with elements however people that represent elements live in it like Mr. Electric being the embodiment of electricity and the ice princess being the embodiment of ice. Everyone else is just made up dream nonsense. I chose them because they are the most recognizable duo that does the whole fire and water relationship but the one that actually comes closer is an underrated not at all known film called The Sea Prince and the Fire child which I would recommend checking out. There’s also fireboy and water girl too but again most people don’t know them so I just chose the most well known version of that type of relationship.
On the subject of Luca, Lucas’s parents really frustrated me because the mum’s attitude didn’t make sense to me, like the grandmother seemed cool with surface world, so why was mother so against it, I wished the film showed us the parents point of view or why they were so annoyingly strict.
They have done this In so many of their films but for Luca, the parents were just ignorant and set their ways which came off as lazy to me
because luca and fam lived near a human settlement and they thought humans hunted seamonsters, which they actually did. So the fear was legit. the grandma had secretly been visiting the town so she was chill about it. I suppose telling her daughter that "hey these people who genuinely hate and hunt us are chill actually as long as you don't accidentally get water on your skin". seemed kind of futile.
Well, sometimes there are cases where the grandparents are more open-minded than the parents. It’s not often the case, but I assume for Luca, the grandma at some point had tried living in the human world and unlearned some of the beliefs that Luca’s parents still held onto.
In addition to the comments above I think Luca cus its set in Italy was going for that "traditional family" which Italians have and Italian parents can be like that just say "no" for no reason just to be stubborn without explaining themselves. Also Italian families are matriarchal and they showed that there.
Well the humans in Luca did want to hunt the sea creatures until they realized that Luca was not a monster and was a good person. So it makes sense to me that the parents would be afraid.
@@TECfan1 i don’t have a issue with them being afraid, and it does actually makes sense, it just felt really one note, and very strange compared to grandmother’s attitude being different since she’s a older generation. I just want to know what experience do the parents have with humans that justify their fears.
The premise; two people from different worlds and personalities growing a close bond/breaking down barriers, is actually very common. Romeo and Juliet is the first thing that comes to mind, though that's two rivalling families.
and these guys are literally made of water and fire, if that's not symbolism for rivalling families idk what is
*cough.. the Song of ice and fire
@@spntageous5249 reason why I think its at least part the disney adaptation of romeo akd juliet
Side note: "That 'Why do you let others tell you how to live your life'? line has been in so many Disney movies."
Yes! Heck, it's been there since the Little Mermaid.
That’s what American guys ask this Latina all the time, I’m tired of that criticism 😂
@@anitadarling4592 We all are. We all are.
@@AttemptedVoices You know what the real question is: Who are U tell me how to live my life?? You’ve only known me for like a week give or take?
If I’m truly independent, I wouldn’t be listening to you telling me to be independent now would I? 😏🧠💡
@@AttemptedVoices
"Yes! Heck, it's been there since the Little Mermaid."
@@anitadarling4592 And now my question is: Listen! You think you can show up and tell me how to live my life!? You don’t even know what I’ve been through!
So the fire girl's family is like the one in Coco, not supporting her and forcing her to follow their traditions. The water boy said the famous line who sounds very similar to '' You choose who you want to be! '' from the Iron giant. Thoses elements (Ha ha 😂) are in other movies and in this one too. Also, like you said, the town is similar to Zootropolis; every animals, elements in this case, are walking in a giant location. So far, the story is not very original BUT the animation is pretty. It's not enough to make the movie amazing but better than nothing. I'll watch this Romeo and Juliet story, give it a chance!
More like H2O and Fueliet
@@jbrecken Agreed
WTF is a Zootropolis.
@@maravreloaded It was called that in the UK, likely in reference to Metropolis. But Zootopia really rolls off the tongue better.
@@1Thunderfire Zootopia works because it was like an animal utopia.
Can't believe you didn't mention Coco. Another story about a family wanting the protagonist to stick with the family business/ways and not do anything different. Coco was spectacular though!
Wasn't the basic premise similar to The Book of Life? (I haven't watched Coco so I can't say for certain.)
@@1Thunderfire Nah, they’re both very different.
@@Haruuuuu02 Book of Life was better.
@@OdaSwifteye cool
Coco was still able to include a cool villain though
The story looks pretty generic, but I really love the animation and character designs, looks like a movie that I can just have fun with
I hope you like it
I have the same thought
When I first heard about Disney-Pixar's upcoming film Elemental, I had high hopes for a unique and creative story. As a fan of fantasy stories, I thought this would be a great opportunity for Pixar to push their boundaries and use their animation skills to create something out of the ordinary. However, as more promotional material was released, it became clear that the film's premise was rather simplistic and familiar, resembling other recent Disney-Pixar movies like Inside Out and Zootopia. While I still expect some clever gags and entertaining moments (which hopefully aren't all in the trailers) in Elemental, I can't help but feel disappointed that Pixar hasn't taken more risks with the story and world-building. The most interesting story they've had in recent years was probably 2020's Soul, while the most original was Turning Red...
Overall, I still plan to see Elemental and hope that it will surprise me with some unexpected twists and a heartfelt message. But I can't help but wish that Pixar would be more daring and explore more unconventional themes in their films. As a studio with so much talent and resources, they have the potential to create truly groundbreaking works of animation. I'm just saying, they really need to justify why their films shouldn't be dumped onto Disney+ anymore.
That last point is so true. Looks like a Disney+ film
"But I can't help but wish that Pixar would be more daring and explore more unconventional themes in their films"
They kinda have.
@@dylansharp8471 Aside from Soul, they haven't done anything exciting lately. Everything just seems to be [insert creature here] cosplaying as modern humans. Or one-offs which are trying to promote genuinely good messages, but bungle up the story so much you can't help but roll your eyes.
I thought the EXACT SAME THING, when I first saw the teaser. I was like, why does this feel similar to zootopia? I'm telling you Disney has no ideas left. Can we just PLEASE get a story where it's not about the kids having to not fill their parents shoes?! I think unique story idea would be for this to be about the fire people being segregated because they cause to much harm and about the water people being the most valuable because they fix everything. But the fire girl learning how her element could actually be more beneficial to society and even aid the water people. Could even be an element of where climate control or something big is happening and they gotta figure out what to do.
Thematically it kind of reminds me of “The Sea Prince and The Fire Child” - it’s an old anime movie that’s basically Romeo and Juliet but Romeo is a sea spirit and Juliet is a fire fairy. And now I’m hoping this movie ends with the two main characters dying by fusing into steam to overcome some problem and their parents getting upset and then the kids come back to life somehow.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of that movie when i saw this trailer
the message of soooooooooo many of these films is Break Tradition, Break the Rules, Rebel Against Authority, and Follow Your Heart (i.e. Mulan, The Little Mermaid, Coco, Luca, Brave, Turning Red, Tangled, Strange World, Smallfoot, and Elemental)
Eh, I wouldnt put Mulan in that list (unless you’re talking about the remake). She did go against the rules/tradition/etc but only out of necessity. She only ever questioned tradition for her father’s sake, not her own. Once the war was over, she went back home to have a normal, traditional life. Mulan’s message isn’t about going against authority, it’s don’t be something you’re not and honing your skills to succeed (at least the original, anyway.)
Honestly I can’t complain, because people in a lot of places (including the USA) need to learn that.
Must say that this trailer feels quite overwhelming to look at. Personally think there's too much going on with the design of the fire characters. But perhaps that's just the trailer being filled with short cuts etc? Let's hope so.
Yeah there’s a lot to look at
I really think Disney-Pixar is trying to visually copy Ghibli. Luca, Turning Red, even Encanto in some ways feel like they're borrowing elements (no pun intended, but hey) from Ponyo or Howl's Moving Castle or Pom Poko. And now possibly Totoro or Spirited Away (those fire characters definitely look like a ripoff of Calcifer from Howl).
And I'm not implying that they're plagiarizing, but I think that Disney just doesn't have an identity anymore. The people in charge decided that what came before them was either "too offensive" or too old fashioned and it doesn't matter. Hence all the remakes, sequels, and reboots; that's just Bob Iger pissing all over the originals like a dog marking its territory. The animation departments, and especially VFX departments, sound like miserable places to work, how creative can anyone be when they lists of mandates they have to follow?
I disagree about encanto, the story takes inspiration from Gabriel Garcia Marquez’s “100 years of solitude” which is a magic realism book, so the reason it has that ghibli-esque vibe is because of that
Nah, I don't wanna hear it.
I don't listen to comments that are Pixar haters lol.
There's a good reason for it, though. Money and risk. Making a big hollywood blockbuster is really, really expensive - easily in the hundreds of millions of dollars. Studios aren't going to risk that much money on something new and untested. They look at other successes, with a good established history of profitability, and try to mimic those. That way they can be fairly confident of making the sort of thing audiences will like.
The animation with the creativity, visuals, and designs are amazing. They pop with so much color. I feel like Disney is copying all their old stories and can’t really come up with another creative story.
To be honest with you we live in 21st century. We already out of original plotlines generally🤷♀️
ill definitely watch for the visuals but I will be pleasantly surprised if they story isn't a rehash of everything disney has made the past few decades
@@ivanacurna6577 nah they just gotten lazy
@@kittmeow7192 no I'm serious. We are really out of original plotlines generally, not just Disney.
@@ivanacurna6577 eh I got alot of ideas that's original , some people are just getting lazy
I would like to say, in defense of Onward, I think it is unfair to say that it is a generic “following in your parents footsteps” movie. That movie is misunderstood by a lot of people, but for the people who have lost a parent at a very young age, that movie is a masterpiece. Not everyone understands it, but the lives of the characters (minus the magic) and the life of the screenplay writer is very similar to my own life and what my family has experience. It was a spot on movie, and I think the reason some people think it missed the mark is because they have a hard time relating to it, especially the ending
No one has seen the movie yet, how do people have a hard time relating to it... also the creator based this movie off his parents and said he loved them very much and this movie is about appropriating the sacrifices they make for us. And then describes the characters based on his parents as bigots, is that what makes you relate to this story and movie
@@aluna1234 what?
My dad lost his parents at a young age and he hated it, I think it's mostly because of the ending though
@@birdsbirdsandmorebirds6251 that's fair. I wouldn't change the ending because in my opinion, that would be cheap. We don't get to bring our parents back from the dead in the real world, so watching it in a movie would kind of feel like a slap in the face, but also Onward heavily relies upon the audience having experienced the exact same kind of loss. I also have an older sister, who filled the same role as Barley to Ian in the movie, so I felt like the ending was perfect. If you don't have a good relationship with our siblings, or if you don't have a sibling at all, the ending won't be very relatable. Idk if that is the case for your dad or not, and even if it is, to each their own
Glad to see some love for Onward. I don't personally relate to it a lot, but in spite of its flaws it's still an engaging and heartwarming story. It's always interesting to see the discrepancy of opinions between the general audience and those who connect with it more deeply.
The animation for all elements are really good, I just wish the setting was in a more fantasy style. It would have felt more magical and that’s what Disney needs to be again.
yeah i’m tired of modern and city settings
I'm tired of magic being pigeon holed into modern enviroments. High fantasy environments if you please.
Not a fan of how much Disney is pushing to disobey parental figures when parents are suppose to be 2 of the few people a child, that these movies are targeted towards, should be trusting.
This movie feels like Style over Substance, but at least it's visually pleasing.
If only it could have been where they believe in her so much that she feels overwhelmed. Kinda like Isabella’s storyline from Encanto, but expand on that point. Bc there’s always the feeling of trying to make your parents proud and upkeeping a certain disguise that doesn’t really fit your personality. She could become fiery and angry for not being who she is then this water dude shows her how to go with the flow. I know the movie’s already been made, but they really slacked off on the storyline potential with elements connecting to emotions. I miiight see it in theaters, but I definitely won’t be running over during the box office drop.
Disney Pixar: how many different ways can we tell the same story?
Calcifer from Howl's Moving Castle looks better than any of the Fire Elemental characters
Actually, Turning Red is from Pixar. You can not tell that anymore, since Disney's and Pixar's styles are so similar to each other.
that exact angle shot of water boy sayin why does anybody tell you what to do is basically the fanmade thing but without the word moist
See, this is the problem I have with Disney and heck even Pixar movies. The concepts for certain things on paper sound really intriguing, especially a movie that's based on elementals. Yet the story doesn't feel any different or fresh from the other movies. Basically, it's going to be. "Well, why can't elements coexist? Our parents and peers shouldn't be able to decide what we can and can't do." Ugggggh, my god, I'm just so tired of this, and it sucks too because I do really like the art and designs of the movie. It does, however, feel like it's going to be a generic "Be yourself" kind of film (not going to watch this film. I am tired of Disney and Pixar in general)
i always looked at pixar as a studio who puts the art design first and the story second, looking at it this way you can put the focus on making something that looks good, and in all honesty they have sort of always kept to a simple feel. ill be it with a few exceptions.
That may have been the case back in their hay day, but with movies like Spiderverse, Pixar just looks boring nowadays. Like there’s nothing exciting about their animation style anymore. Luca was an exception.
I disagree. Their stories usually stand up to the visuals. Up until Cars 2. Then they have been hit or miss. But visuals before story has definitely not always been a thing until recent years.
are you serious? Monsters Inc, the first two Toy Stories, Finding Nemo... they're all absolute classics and such good story telling.
@@z.s.r.hI'd say the 3rd Toy Story is better than the 1st to be honest
With movies like this and Strange Worlds, I think Disney is just churning out stuffs for the fillers, something harmless, colourful, made from recycled materials.
They don't intend it to be creatively challenging or award winning like Inside Out, Encanto, or Soul. It's just cheap easy things that maybe sells a merch or two millions.
Pretty sure we'll see more of it later.
What sucks too is that this could 100% be a film about generational trauma and have a new plot instead of just reusing the same thing over and over again.
There's was a time where I was so excited for every animated Disney/Pixar movie and would run to the theater, now I'm like 'eh, I'll wait for it to be on disney+'. I genuinely hope this is good and not as cliche as I'm thinking it could be
I think the problem they met the set very present time like zootopia. But if they had made it like an old European town or something we don’t see often it would be way more interesting to look at. The city looks too modern and nothing new. A different time period would have made ir much better😊
“Why are you gonna let anybody tell you what to do with your life?”
Waterboy telling her what to do with her life
Fun effect to see the Fire Girl change color by touching different elements/salt compounds! Just like real life
I think it would be so fresh for this movie to have moral like "elements REALLY can't coexist because you know THEY CAN'T". it would be cruel, but at least something new
It also feels like Inside Out. The color scheme, the shapes...
For a movie about going against societal prejudice, the world is shockingly sanitized. Even though "elements don't mix", the world they present is a city where all the elements live together, and the water guy just gets to not be prejudiced while keeping his family and community. If they want to present an honest message about fighting for change, they should actually portray the struggle that comes with it.
I know it would be too thought provoking for either Disney or Pixar current year to do but this sort of story trope has been told so many times and so much better.
An example I can think of is Beastars. The way the story is told in Beastars comes off more real and relatable than Zootopia.
Now don't get me wrong, I loved Zootopia but the problem is that anyone who doesn't agree with our message is an enemy and are just bad because they want to keep the status quo. Whereas in Beastars the division of carnivores and herbivores was because there were elements of danger in the scenarios were both were involved. Just like in real life, someone could get injured or killed. The characters had to deal with the hardships of what animal they were, how they were perceived by others, and their own internal struggles of their beastly nature.
It was presented in a way that you can understand why certain laws were set in place for safety but can also see why the same law could be abusive towards carnivores and abused by the same herbivores the law was supposed to protect.
Lots of cultural stories that involve the intermingling and sharing of different experiences lack the true dept of discussion that is thought provoking and help people to come to their own conclusions instead of being told what to decide.
Literally my first thought after watching the trailer was: I have seen it a thousand of times. No twist, no surprise factor, I'm not interested in the slightest.
I kinda feel for these movies where they're constantly saying "no one understands me so I should make the movie I always wanted to see" without realizing that everyone feels this way so instead of getting heard they just blend in
Villains! Villains! Villains! Where the HELL are the villains?! Why does modern Disney think that overbearing parents and generational trauma are acceptable substitutions for villains?!
I would be fine with generational trauma if they did it differently! Parents can 100% be villains and they don’t have to be step mothers to be just like that. Shoot, just show an evil parent. Make a story about emotional abuse.
That’s a great point. I’m tired of parents being the villain. It’s boring
I'm *hoping* (against hope, let's be honest) that it ends with Ember saying something like "Yeahhh, I've considered other paths now, but I still like my family's the most."
It isn't gonna happen, but it'd be amazing if they set us up in the trailers only to finally break the chain like that.
The ironic thing about this is that I am currently in the process of writing a young adult fantasy novel about Elementals and the main female character is a fire elemental named Ember who eventually falls in love with a male water elemental and its a forbidden romance kind of thing where fire and water can't be together. I never knew this trailer existed and it surprised me how much of my own ideas I saw here. lol, looks like I have to come up with a new story idea.
Not necessarily. If it's clearly it's own story and you put a lot of care into the writing it could still work. Some ideas have been done many times, but it seems to be how the writer goes about writing the idea that makes it stand our from the rest rather than the idea itself.
Maybe it would be interesting if the elements would mix and new elements would evolve from that. And you can find new character trades for the elements. I think that fire and water are a good match by the way and they can have interesting chemistry.
@@julischreiberling5350 hmm. true.
Looks like whoever led the animation team really had fun with this concept. Beautiful city, lots of distinct visuals, and really pushing the idea of what people made of the elements can do and how to use that to create both wonder and humor. Seriously, the gag of them walking through the fence and asking why they even have them is gold.
Sadly looks like as you said a story where the focus is going to be on a girl with very traditional parents who want what THEY think is best and not what SHE thinks is and she has to overcome the way of life. Its not that, THAT type of story can't work. It has in the past and will again in the future, but they haven't really been that impressive in recent years.
Whoever named the areas though 😓
Tbh I thought from the teaser this would be more of an asexual romance commentary. We don't get that representation anywhere. Like, "Oh no, they can't touch each other but they want to be together", yeah what if they don't want to touch each other, and their love can be on their own terms?
It would be a neat spin on the 'find your own person story' they've got going revealed now. 'Elements cannot mix' and yet here are 'normal' elements mixing at every turn. Fire girl isn't about that, yet she learns that those feelings are valid and that there's other elements like her.
This is COMPLETELY a me problem though. Even without that approach, the film looks beautiful, if a bit rocky in story department.
I wish there were more movies that tackled the actual feelings of people who both love working in their family’s business but end up going down a different path with their family’s support.
Idk i feel like this was an amazing oportunity to bring back 2D animation, the fire especially would look better in 2D in my opinion
Tbh, I really find it fascinating how people still believe and want to have faith in Disney Corp.
I would understand if they just started to be bad and have mediocre products, but Disney have been awful for years.
We should just ignore it and realise they are just not good🤷🏽♀️
It’s nothing wrong with meeting someone new, a guy, that becomes a friend that changes you for the better
ur killing it with these weekly uploads and each video is just as good as the last :) im not feeling the visuals of this movie so far and the story isnt clear, but im hoping that changes when its released. either way this is the first pixar movie in theaters in a while so i will be seated
I feels like Pixar is going to rely on the visuals of this film, which is kinda a bummer. I hope it’ll look cool in 3D to make it worth the theatre experience.
The movie should really be titled, "Oh, we're doing this again?"
This is once again Disney's agenda to turn kids away from their parents so they can be brainwashed. This is why I prefer Dreamworks now. They're just making good stories that treat their audiences like adults. I'm actually more excited for Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken. No pandering.
You know, apart from maybe a few examples, DreamWorks does tend to do the “parent-child” conflict thing better.
The obvious one is Stoick and Hiccup. The first movie is about the two learning how to talk to and relate to one another, with the ending having both come to respect each other. The second has that “reluctant heir” vibe, but I like how it was less of Hiccup wanted to goof and only want the positives of leading (like say Simba did as a cub) and more like he doesn’t think he can ever live up to Stoick’s example and doesn’t want to disappoint his dad.
Po and Mr. Ping have a slight issue when it comes to kung fu and the noddle shop, but both choose to mix up the two. Po still helps his dad and Mr. Ping does what he can to support his son (and make a quick coin if the opportunity arises).
Mr. Peabody and Sherman is a dad trying his best for his boy. They argue about Mr. Peabody not telling Sherman about him possibly being taken away, but Mr. Peabody is partially correct that a kid shouldn’t have to worry about that. And Mr. Peabody learns his son is growing up and Sherman can start making decisions for himself.
There’s some other examples, but I think the main thing that works is both the child and parent come from a place of love and respect for each other. Neither one is fully in the right or in the wrong, and the resolutions involve both working together.
That I think is a much better lesson for kids and adults to take. Acknowledge one side can be right and some of your points can be wrong, and work together so both gain something in the end.
Honestly, this trend that Disney and Pixar are doing is tiresome, and unoriginal. They apparently didn't seem to learn from Puss in Boots' success. How about we get a more traditional story again, with the Hero wanting to be a hero, rescuing a damsel in distress, and a villain being evil for the sake of being evil whom the Hero has to stop?
Can we go back to classic storytelling, the Heroes journey? No more of this generational, social, political crap.
Well, I agree with you apart from the damsel in distress since Puss in Boots didn't really have one because all the main characters in the Last Wish had their own strengths/weaknesses. Plus, Dreamworks is known for not going for the traditional story but rather subverting it to make it more interesting.
@@suspiciousstar7547 To be fair there's literally nothing wrong with damsels in distress as long as the narrative doesn't imply that that's all there is to all women. At this point basic "guy saves girl" done right would feel more fresh and fun than many mainstream stories trying to subvert it.
@@suspiciousstar7547 True enough.
I think it looks pretty cool actually lol I’m hoping they’ll actually make them a couple and change it up and show a story about how it’s okay to be in love.
I kind of wish that the story would be more about ember WANTING to continue the family tradition, but she would have to decide wether to go with the water guy, or do what she loves. In the end, she either does both or ends up choosing another path.
It’s still generic but at least it’s different from recent pixar movies. The animation is amazing though!
Disney, here's a storyline:
Sister needs organ transplant but she's an intergalactic, interspecies adoptee. Mom stays to care for her + she's a scientist involved in research. Dad + kids go on adventure to find Sister's kin. So many things possible. Does the mom find a cure? Create a new organ? Does she find out her adopted daughter is a sophisticated android spy? Do they find her parents? Is she just a clone from a planet's death army? Does she die? Does her species turn into something else after death?
Here's another:
A family: kids, parents, and aunt. Aunt one day stops going out of the house, then she stops coming up for dinner, then she stops leaving the basement. The kids start feeling that their house is haunted. They hear creaking floorboards, moaning, crashing furniture. They find blood. Did the aunt die and become a ghost? Are there demons in the basement? Did she get ill? Can they catch it? Why is mom suddenly absent at the dinner table?
Okay, this one's about mental health. I really desperately want this to be a Disney movie.
I think they should have more elements in the movie like light, shadow, electric ,metal and oil etcetera. It will make more interesting dynamic and interactions between these elements.
I want them to make a movie like this and subvert all the expected tropes. Like she realizes that her parents arent trying to hurt her or stifle her growth, but they actually have good reasons for the way they think. And the dangers of trusting somebody who tries to subvert who you are as a person. I think it could actually make a good movie
The trailer alone kinda makes me feel like I've watched the entire movie
I may be wrong, but I think there's something behind the fact that it's fire and water.
Fire = only follows Fire where it spreads, "burns as fire should burn"
Water = water is not just in one place, there is something here, and there (small puddles, for example) is flexible, moving on, it can be whatever he wants
Sooo your lines just look alike... Well, them!!!
The girl who accompanies the family, the boy who has a sense of freedom(I think)
Like, he can be anywhere, but she can't, and the train scene (where she burns the tree) makes me think my theory makes sense (even because of their personalities, which seem to match their element!)
I hope the plot is something like, he wants her to be free, to have her own feelings, but he also tries to prove that the elements can really mix the whole movie because yes, he loves her, he wants it to be possible and for that he would do the impossible and he wants everyone to be wrong until the moment they both find out that grandma was right... It seems that it was possible for a second, but everything goes wrong.
Well, I know it still sounds cliche, but I think this way we can have more action and excitement moments with great moments! It would bring us cliches, good parental insight and more!
Either way, I'm very excited to watch it!!!!
The most important trope of all is the Romeo and Juliet. This movie is covering all the bases
I prefer to let movies stand on their own merits. As long as they can tell an entertaining, creative story that keeps my attention, I don't care if it's not 100% original.
Another great review. I had some of the same thoughts when I saw the trailer -fun visuals, samey story.
It gave me Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs vibes sometimes.
Well said!
pixar: hey im gonna copy you!
fire boy and water girl flashgame: ok just change a bit
pixar: ok guys i present to you... FIRE GIRL AND WATER BOY
I could usually care less if an original film has a theme I've seen before. Most films are copies, homages, or repeats of other existing stories. To me, personally, if the journey itself from point A to point B is interesting in that you make a used theme/cliché seem new in some way and you've got worthwhile characters then I'll likely end up liking it. I mean look at "How to Train Your Dragon". That movie is full of clichés, but it's still a good movie because it made its clichés feel new and fun.
Tbh I don’t think Pixar’s done a “proper love” story yet. looking forward to it
Wall-e pretty much counts
Paperman is a short and I think it feels far more heartfelt and interesting as a romance than what I’m expecting here.
I agree, but also I feel like it would be very entertaining
I hope so
The movies also should not be about generation issues, they need to be like an actual story like snow white
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You know what, even before Zootopia came out, the trailers made it out to be a "mystery movie" and that got me excited! I just rewatched one of the trailers and they were LIGHT on showing any racial stuff, which was good because it focused on the story and our 2 main protags. Here with this trailer is was copy and paste, only they definitely focused on the 'racial stuff' more. Only thing I'll give credit to is the animation looks amazing.
I was so disappointed with the trailer when I learned the theme was “different elements can’t interact.” It felt SO derivative and spoonfed.
I’m here for it, I’m not complaining for another Zootopia. It’s the only movie I’m actually excited for in a long time
Family business is such an ancient trope. Like, 19th century old. Young people today just don't live in that world. I didn't, and my parents didn't, and my dad was born in 1929. People work for companies and send out CVs and so on. They have careers. Why are they still writing stories about kids forced to take over the family shop?
Tbf... The film isn't out, yet. Pixar is know for subverting expectations. It's practically their mantra.
4:28 also in Coco since everyone in Miguel’s family was a shoe maker and he wanted to be a musician and that was a Pixar movie
The sneezing fire ball was also done in Monsters Inc.
It’s Zootopia meets Inside Out
You made it let’s goooo
@@Micahluvsnull I didn’t make Elemental
I mean in the video
If they can make the main leads as charming as Nick and Judy, the story could work. But... I have my doubts.
We'll see 🤷🏻♀️
I agree, it is not going to be the newest, freshest idea out there. BUT if they do it well enough. It might work.
idk, i’ve always loved this trope and it really helped me through times where i’ve struggled with this own internal conflict in my personal life, but at the same time i would love to see something along the lines of a young character who tries to be “part of the crowd” inevitably forgetting the past they grew up from. then, feeling unfulfilled, they go home to their family to realize they can carry the unique aspects of their home with them as PART of their identity, integrating it both into their own identity of themselves! i’ve found that in my opinion it truly is just as important as the other in understanding one’s self and leading a happy life
Honestly I wish they went with the whole water girl and fire boy theme. Like it could be an Indiana jones, action adventure to find a treasure and use it to stop a bad guy who wants to kill all elements. I know it’s complex but I just miss the action adventure animated movies.
Well who cares if you're nervous if you will not pay to watch it.😂
Anyway, Elementals is like watching a product inspired from Zootopia, Soul, Inside Out, Frozen 2, and Avatar The Last Airbender. I'm loving it.
This movie is definitely incredibly generic but it's still like, geared toward kids
Also the "elements cannot mix" line is kind of odd cause like, you need water for the plants to grow, and you need clouds and water to make rain (I don't exactly know how rain is made don't come at me) so I feel like that line is kind of dumb lol
I like the character designs and how the world looks but the storyline is concerning to say the least
if we see it this way
This movie is like Zootopia, but not only with mammals this time now there's Birds, Reptiles, and Insects
Still not feeling it, but I suspect 50% of the plot summary "I'm joy, this is sadness" dialogue will be cut from the real movie.
I remember when Olaf was in the Frozen trailer and I thought 'oh no' but then frozen surprised me. Every character that isnt Fire and Water feels like Olaf...
When are we ever going to have classic villains again. This Gen trauma arc is getting old fast
"why does anyone get to tell you what to do with your life" that quote alone put me off this movie.
I want a classic disney princess movie. The last one was rapunzel 13 years ago. It's time.
It was actually moana
@aeoli garlic I said classic, with a dress, a prince, and a love story, a REAL villain
It's funny that both movies (zootopia and elemental) use a similar scene to demonstrate the differences between the people that live in those worlds. Both take place in a train or train station and use the environment of that setting to show us how a hub like that has to be adapted to work for everyone and is used as a way to transition the main character into their new life and propels them into the plot of the film. This is just furthering the idea that elemental is just zootopia rebranded.
Everything owned by the mouse is in the mouseverse
To moisty child, you wanna be moist, I don't want to know about it
I don’t want to be moist…
@Brittney Reacts it's Okay your safe
its ok jacob moist people wont get it but i do
Long ago the 4 elements lived in harmony, then the fire nation attacked.
“Elemental is Pixar’s version of Zootopia”
Me who knows that zootopia was made by Pixar
Can't believe the line "I LIKE THE WORD MOIST" is actually written by a professional writer hired by a multi billion dollar company. Folks, this is a sign you should throw away all your impostor syndrome