These 28 ships / boats are only replacing things that have retired or will be retiring. Whether they are Astute and Dreadnoughts subs; Type 26 and Type 31 frigates; Amphibious ships etc. The only "gain" is 6 Amphibious related ships replacing (in the 2030s) 5.
They are about to pull the 200 million loan for upgrading facilities at Harland and Wolff and give the contract for 2 new Royal Navy ships to a Spanish shipbuilder.
The current T45s and currently building T26s and T31s are perfectly adequate, or would be if they ever receive their full intended weapons fits instead of our Whitehall and Westminster vermin leaving them half armed i.a.w. their standard FFBNW lie. Above all, the ships require full appropriate strike length VLS installations suitable for each class. Meanwhile, ALL the remaining T23s need a minimum viable fit of 8 x deck canister launched NSMs in addition to the already installed CAMM Sea Ceptor AAW fit.
Agreed, the Type 45 should recieve 16 strike length sylver or Mk 41 cells with tomahawk or MdCN as an interim, FC/ASW in the future. 8 cells can be used to quadpack camm for 32 instead of 24 in the mushroom farm. 8 harpoons is the equivalent of 20 nsms in terms of topweight, so if their is space on the deck, 16 is a good number of NSMS (iver huitfeldt, Type 31 predecessor had 16 harpoons, 24 essms and 32 sm-2) Helps that is land attack capable too. Hopefully even if FC/ASW results in two different missiles, both are dual purpose, will help with the limited number of MK 41 cells on 26 and 31. More Mk 41 cells on Type 26 would be great for Asroc (or hopefully something more capable)
So what about HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark that I’ve been informed from the inside is getting sold to pay off a certain area that can’t be said on social media? Selling these will help fill up the much needed help on the shortages of the other ships of staff issues we have at the moment but that’s the only plus! This has been kept under wraps and if public knew the real reason there would be uproar because it leaves our fleet and especially our flagships without refuelling and other resources being able to be transferred from ship to ship meaning more stop offs or relying on other countries to fill the gaps. This isn’t what the government portrayed when we unveiled the 2 new flag ships at all.
Based on our aircraft carriers performance I’d be more concerned about us building ships with water sailing capability. Shapps also needs to get a grip of his mouth after directly contradicting his handlers in the US on China providing “lethal aid” to Russia too rather than playing the “tough guy”. Not that we’ll need to think about him again in 6 weeks.
So whern there be more fully equipped escorts and and submarines and escorts .will be good to fully equippet the present fleet. In reality no increase in size of the navy
The last time there was a golden age of British ship building there was a global imperialist attitude which led to slavery, disease spread across the globe to different civilisations. But that’s okay because back then we said it was all for freedom and prosperity, a bit like what we are doing now. Bravo British Royal Navy. Let’s double down!
So basically moth ball some of the older ships like Bulwark, Albion and a couple of Type 23 frigates, the only half decent ships the UK has got, obviously after being stripped of parts. But include them in the figures. We have both carriers seemingly out of use and basically the Type 45 destroyers are pretty useless. The new frigates will more then likely be riddled with issues as well. Our Navy is an embarrassment.
@@wordsmith101 The Royal Navy ships are becoming more unreliable, less used due to cost issues, lacking in confidence by the UK public of its abilities. As for the carriers they are becoming a national embarrassment. We don't have enough of the F35s to make deploying them worth it. If they had gone for the Cat and traps it would have open the opportunity to look at different fixed wing aircraft to be used on them. This is typical ministry interference that has resulted in 2 monstrous failures
The last Minister of Defence (not Defense in the UK) was Peter Thorneycroft in 1964. The current Secretary of State for Defence is Grant Shapps. Just before he took office Ben Wallace held the post.
Britain still produces its own steel and is in the process of upgrading one of its main steel manufacturing plants in Port Talbot to make it greener with over £1 billion being invested. The site in question makes steel for everything from tin cans to cars.
They are not talking about the right now situation they have a positive plan for future generations oh come on all chatting negatively because they push them to react negatively until all have nothing at least this country will not let them have negative views about the future oh come on .😊😊😊😊
@@timphillips9954Of course. So comprehensive a health care system will be of great benefit to our victorious opponents when they've knocked our undefended countries flat.
When are we going to see the return of massive merchant ship building to Britain? We see all these huge modern multi billion pound cruise liners everywhere yet not one has been built in Britain!
Whatever party is in next they need to continue with the investment into our armed forces. I would also like to see the number of our army increase. /that is pathetically low.
@@emmetray4141you surely dont actually believe that. US economic & foreign policy has been undermining Europes industrial capacity & independence for decades to make the continent dependent on them & has only accelerated since the push to move Europe away from Russian energy. Almost every “decision” now made in the UK from going to war to interest rate changes or major government policy are made in Washington & then just enacted here.
All in Scotland, though this as always is a promise that will never be kept less Warships will be funded and 30% of the weapon systems will never be installed.
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About as true as the 40 new hospital's
Times are changing we can't be without a decent army in todays world.
hahahaha
@@Steelninja77or navy and air force
We are Britain, our euro allies can do the ground fighting but we need a massive navy, that's our role
We are Going on a Massive Ship building Program. First we have to Retire Everything we have In the Current Fleet to Pay for it 😂😂😂
These 28 ships / boats are only replacing things that have retired or will be retiring. Whether they are Astute and Dreadnoughts subs; Type 26 and Type 31 frigates; Amphibious ships etc. The only "gain" is 6 Amphibious related ships replacing (in the 2030s) 5.
That wouldn't surprise me one bit haha
Admiral of the Fleet the Viscount Shapps strikes again. 'We are enlarging our fleet by scrapping two more Type 23s.'
They are about to pull the 200 million loan for upgrading facilities at Harland and Wolff and give the contract for 2 new Royal Navy ships to a Spanish shipbuilder.
Go ahead great Britain 🇬🇧🇬🇧
The current T45s and currently building T26s and T31s are perfectly adequate, or would be if they ever receive their full intended weapons fits instead of our Whitehall and Westminster vermin leaving them half armed i.a.w. their standard FFBNW lie. Above all, the ships require full appropriate strike length VLS installations suitable for each class. Meanwhile, ALL the remaining T23s need a minimum viable fit of 8 x deck canister launched NSMs in addition to the already installed CAMM Sea Ceptor AAW fit.
Agreed, the Type 45 should recieve 16 strike length sylver or Mk 41 cells with tomahawk or MdCN as an interim, FC/ASW in the future. 8 cells can be used to quadpack camm for 32 instead of 24 in the mushroom farm. 8 harpoons is the equivalent of 20 nsms in terms of topweight, so if their is space on the deck, 16 is a good number of NSMS (iver huitfeldt, Type 31 predecessor had 16 harpoons, 24 essms and 32 sm-2) Helps that is land attack capable too. Hopefully even if FC/ASW results in two different missiles, both are dual purpose, will help with the limited number of MK 41 cells on 26 and 31. More Mk 41 cells on Type 26 would be great for Asroc (or hopefully something more capable)
Lets wait and see if they come good.
I hope they do as it will be fantastic for our country and our armed forces🇬🇧🇬🇧
Let’s hope they build them better than the two new carriers
‘We outrank Russia in terms of submarines ‘……? Is that correct . I don’t think so
In terms of technology, yes I'd say we have the upper hand over Russian subs. However, in terms of numbers, Russia has that edge.
We have plenty engineers arriving in uk daily
Yeah right. where lol. engineers smuggle themselves here on boats don't think so.
@Steelninja77 all they need is english tea and scones 🤣
@@Steelninja77don’t be silly, they’re clearly all engineers, doctors and astronauts
Brilliant 😂😂
5 months and he will be gone. Finito.
war is a racket
So what about HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark that I’ve been informed from the inside is getting sold to pay off a certain area that can’t be said on social media?
Selling these will help fill up the much needed help on the shortages of the other ships of staff issues we have at the moment but that’s the only plus!
This has been kept under wraps and if public knew the real reason there would be uproar because it leaves our fleet and especially our flagships without refuelling and other resources being able to be transferred from ship to ship meaning more stop offs or relying on other countries to fill the gaps. This isn’t what the government portrayed when we unveiled the 2 new flag ships at all.
The navy is the smallest its ever been and we have not got enough aircraft for the carriers.
Got to Retire the Current Fleet to pay for All the new stuff 😂😂
Who does he think actually listens to him and believes a word he says?
The ones that matter.
Based on our aircraft carriers performance I’d be more concerned about us building ships with water sailing capability.
Shapps also needs to get a grip of his mouth after directly contradicting his handlers in the US on China providing “lethal aid” to Russia too rather than playing the “tough guy”.
Not that we’ll need to think about him again in 6 weeks.
What is the point of spending hundreds of billions and eventually trillions when there is nothing to defend from?
So whern there be more fully equipped escorts and and submarines and escorts .will be good to fully equippet the present fleet. In reality no increase in size of the navy
How about more F35 to fully fill the carriers
I think they have or are going to order 24 Block E(?) ones.......
Blame the Americans for that not the British government!
It will be used on the roads and will also be able to smoothly surf the flooded potholes of UK streets.
Will they be every bit as good as our brand new air craft carriers?
$chatts asks if you’d be kind enough to simply forget about that propellor falling off .... oh, & the missile thing too, ta.
The last time there was a golden age of British ship building there was a global imperialist attitude which led to slavery, disease spread across the globe to different civilisations. But that’s okay because back then we said it was all for freedom and prosperity, a bit like what we are doing now. Bravo British Royal Navy. Let’s double down!
So basically moth ball some of the older ships like Bulwark, Albion and a couple of Type 23 frigates, the only half decent ships the UK has got, obviously after being stripped of parts. But include them in the figures. We have both carriers seemingly out of use and basically the Type 45 destroyers are pretty useless. The new frigates will more then likely be riddled with issues as well. Our Navy is an embarrassment.
No, it's not. Both your carriers are in use. Modern ships are very complex -- remember that it took the USN ten YEARS to commission USS Gerald Ford.
@@wordsmith101 The Royal Navy ships are becoming more unreliable, less used due to cost issues, lacking in confidence by the UK public of its abilities. As for the carriers they are becoming a national embarrassment. We don't have enough of the F35s to make deploying them worth it. If they had gone for the Cat and traps it would have open the opportunity to look at different fixed wing aircraft to be used on them. This is typical ministry interference that has resulted in 2 monstrous failures
Is this so we can pick up more people in the channel, because that’s what we need in the U.K, is more people !
Make the uk great again
Land strike capability......what, like aircraft carriers with F35Bs?
Closed shipyards on the
Tyne
It's all going over budget and endless delays...MPs love blowing their own trumpet 🎺 😑
Like the 40 hospitals
Clyde built World class. Poor design is the problem. The US navy have had the same problems and as for the Russians………
As long as they aren’t Built in Scotland. The Type 45s and Carriers are a Mess.
He does not sound familiar with the subject matter at all. "Excuse my Italian"?
"Per Mare, Per Terram" Latin I believe!
If we give the contracts to Fergusons they should be ready in 100 years 😂
Are they upgrading the 5 newest OPV which we are using as gunboats
It's not the golden age tho... maybe when Britain ruled the waves yes, but not now...
Bring back engineering, there's no youth being trained in engineering... Its dire
Plenty engineers are arriving on dinghies 😂
So wait, they're going to get rid of the gym?
Clap trap.
SHAPPS IS LYING YET AGAIN, ALL THIS WAS DONE 5 YEARS AGO
Who was the last British defense minister?
The last Minister of Defence (not Defense in the UK) was Peter Thorneycroft in 1964. The current Secretary of State for Defence is Grant Shapps. Just before he took office Ben Wallace held the post.
Grant says all kinds of things that do not come true................. The Navy chief sounds like a Tory fan boy.
Why warships?
To protect Israel.
Where is the steel going to come from? China? Not Britain for sure
Britain still produces its own steel and is in the process of upgrading one of its main steel manufacturing plants in Port Talbot to make it greener with over £1 billion being invested. The site in question makes steel for everything from tin cans to cars.
@@ricardosmythe2548green net zero is killing the country.
Not to worry france supplies the steel for the subs and the carriers were built with steel from turkey…😊
Get rich quick scheme man Michael Green. But why would an honest man use an alias?
Utter Political Spin, Totally devoid of reality. He's a good talker though!!
He is good but what a mess these popple have made
this chihuahua called UK defence ministry is always obsessed with russia lol
Multi named affiliate marketing grifter trickster posing as a government official
They are not talking about the right now situation they have a positive plan for future generations oh come on all chatting negatively because they push them to react negatively until all have nothing at least this country will not let them have negative views about the future oh come on .😊😊😊😊
war is a racket, just like Iraq and afghanistan
Come on, not again, spend money on education or healthcare.
Most tediously predictable stupid non-comment of the month award. Well done!
Without defence there would not be any schools or hospitals
We are going to need that health care if a war breaks out in Europe with no armed forces
@@timphillips9954Of course. So comprehensive a health care system will be of great benefit to our victorious opponents when they've knocked our undefended countries flat.
Wow hes boring.
When are we going to see the return of massive merchant ship building to Britain? We see all these huge modern multi billion pound cruise liners everywhere yet not one has been built in Britain!
Clueless
It's just a rumour that was spread around town.
Aw shut up what waste of breath to get a few votes
Whatever party is in next they need to continue with the investment into our armed forces. I would also like to see the number of our army increase. /that is pathetically low.
Why? So wr can keep giving other countries our old stock.
BRING BACK THE DREADNOUGHTS
They are coming.......in the form of new subs
Back in the times when the Royal Navy was something to be proud of, not like the crappy state it is in now.
Vassals lol
Opposite actually. EU and Britin is going into parity with the U.S. over the next years. Less dependency and moee Oomph when joined.
@@emmetray4141you surely dont actually believe that.
US economic & foreign policy has been undermining Europes industrial capacity & independence for decades to make the continent dependent on them & has only accelerated since the push to move Europe away from Russian energy. Almost every “decision” now made in the UK from going to war to interest rate changes or major government policy are made in Washington & then just enacted here.
What a load of waffle, and why is he trying to speak like a statesman other doesn't suit him
Nord 2 stream attacks, done by America, where are the navy he said people say, over the horizon, he said 🤣no in dry dock getting repaired
Shitft change Ivan.
The magic money tree seems to be used for everything except helping the British people.
Building ships is helping the British people.
What a total clown .
Any being built in England ? Wales? NI ? .... or just all in Scotland ???
All in Scotland, though this as always is a promise that will never be kept less Warships will be funded and 30% of the weapon systems will never be installed.
@@vincescotian8083 The Whitehall and Westminster vermin do love their standard FFBNW lie as a way of cutting cost.