Absolutely. Like cars imo, find a 'regret purchase\forced sale', rather than buy new. Buying used yacht, I'd trade size for stuff like durability & simplicity. Even my (formerly hi tech) skiff is 2002 built. Happy sailing.
@@momosworld7312 It must be richer people than those of us asking, if that helps. ;-} _Btw, yeah it's petty, but...amounts are for piles, numbers are for counts._ 🇦🇺⚓
Looking at the drawings of the two versions, the "full" aft cabin, only looks to simply be a bed. No place to sit and the hanging locker is outside the cabin. Whereas the three cabin version both aft cabins have hanging lockers inside the door. And, in the two cabin version, one of you will have to climb over the other - just like in the pullman. Except the pullman has ore space to climb across, whereas the two cabin aft cabin only has the width of the door, since the bed apparently comes right to the door (from the drawing).
The good thing about being a pessimist, is that it is always a pleasant surprise to be wrong. I knew gas engines in and out before I started sailing and learned diesel. When I hear an engine was replaced by an unknown party and IT LEAKS OIL that's a red flag to me. I like diesels that will sleep quietly, but wake instantly and totally reliably when needed. BIG ticket item if it needs replacement, or even a full tear down.
Video idea for you: what boats should someone be looking at who wants the lowest possible maintenance headaches but cannot afford new. Maybe that answer is "that kind of person shouldn't buy a boat." lol. But I bet you've got more thoughts than that.
Hooray for 12 volt freezers. I just bought a Setpower for $186 to my door. Put your camera and binoculars in the galley fridge and your food in the portables. That Beneteau lacks battery isolation switches. A disaster.
What is up with the floors? Looks like cheap laminate. Was that put in when "repairing" the grid after the grounding? Gaps in the flooring all oner the place.
Buy one with lightning or buggered motor, rip it, tanks, all other unnecessary weight out, incl gas. Drop in emotor, sufficient PV+48v/16s eve diy build (much cheaper options vs victron, i.e hybrid aio), new/modern devices, rigging, suitable outboard on tender that will also push boat "if" needed, noisy 2stroke easier to diy fix if it goes for a swim. Might not be ready to go sailing NOW, but when ya head off next season, you'll know the boat almost as well as you know your mum.
This the same boat the owners of our sailing club have. We use it for all the ASA training and testing. Also for practice sails with small groups of the members. It is a very comfortable and great sailing boat. I hate going back down to the Capri 22's (the fleet of day sailers we use regularly) after spending time on this gem.
Might be a possible topic: upgrading electronics. I've got 20 year old RayMarine (2003) that I want to replace with B&G. Is the Ray Marine NEMA 2000 compliant? Should be. Will I have to replace my sensors (haulout for the thru hulls)? Or can I just buy the main components and install them myself? And if I go iPad, what about AIS? (I currently have AIS on a Windows Chromebook that hasn't worked in months. Sometimes the menu item I need to select appears, sometimes not.) I don't need my specific questions answered. This is general. What still frustrates me is I have the money, I want to upgrade! When the local B&G installer finally calls back, all they want to talk about is Garmin. Not because it's better in someway, it's just that Garmin is elbowing its way in. Maybe that's an episode topic: Money Can't Solve Your Boat Problem. And what features do I need? Just how well does that Ray Marine smart camera stuff work? One thing I really liked on a B&G radar. It can read storm clouds, tell you what's about to hit you. In the Bahamas it was like a game. There's the storm, if we go that way, we'll miss most of it. It could also 'interrogate' a target. That's just noise, or that's a boat without AIS moving in this direction. On a boat I just sailed across the Pacific on the B&G radar couldn't do these things. Without these experiences I wouldn't know.
Speaking of iPads for navigation, you should do a new video on that subject. iPad types, size, storage, especially on mounts, etc. my boat came with no electronics and I don’t plan on adding a chart plotter after spending $2k on a new instrument package although I may replace the old non working radar with a Furuno wireless unit that can use the same, or another, iPad. Also I do realize you did a video 4yrs ago on this but I can only assume the info is as outdated as electronics of that era are now…
Wouldn't 3x cabins likely be ex-charters? I guess that's 10+yr ago now. Great observations, inferences & questions, from just ad pics & copy btw. ✅ I'd rank: 1. Yanmar, 2. Volvo, 3. a few ok brands, ... 10. HappyGoodLuck. _That opening sentence WAS in English, wasn't it Captain?_ 😂⚓🇦🇺
With AGM's, if you want them to last you don't take them below 50%. So that would be 300 amp hours not 450. I have them in my rv now, I bought lithiums to replace them, will be installing soon. I'd never buy AGM's for a boat, JMO. I'd rather buy the cheaper boat and put a new engine and a couple on new sails on it if there were only a few things wrong with it.
You can catch a part of the history on this boat by checking the RUclips channel which is now called flying Zola. Looks like they sailed it for about a year and sold it about a year ago.
My thoughts exactly about my iPad. I prefer Navionics over my chart plotter every day of the week. I keep the iPad zoomed in and the chart plotter as just a zoomed out Birds Eye view.
Sorry, but a tablet is not a substitute for a proper modern MFD integrated with AIS and radar. These two things greatly enhance situational awareness. Add forward facing cameras with IR and you have a powerful capability. Nothing is a replacement for standing a proper watch. Also, your assessment of older diesels is bunk. A properly maintained Westerbeke, Perkins, Universal, etc is incredibly reliable and relatively simple to maintain.
@Lady_K_Sailing in my view, it is perfectly fine to use a tablet or phone with Navionics as your chartplotter while operating in the daytime or in known waterways with few hazards and relatively unrestricted waterways. However, this solution has limitations, and as with any GPS, there's some inherent error. There's a reason why many boats in the northeast US have radar and far fewer in the Chesapeake have it. Radar gives you a better fix on obstructions and land mass. Electronuc charts have error. But I want to reiterate that nothing beats standing a proper watch.
My wife and I are BIG FANS of your channel....I am currently onboard our 375 Hunter Legand, on the Chesapeake Baby sitting through this storm. We have owned her for 24 years. Raced and cruised her (10,000mi) ....going into retirement very soon . Curently have a bid on the sabre 426 on lake Michigan (Renaissance) what's you thoughts on the 426 sabers...
Continue from last message, it has very minimal "saber crazing". We are struggling with this issue.. throwing this out for a topic.. this saber426 is awesome. Trying to look pass the crazing thing...
Why don't sailboat listings mention if the mast is keel stepped or deck stepped? Sometime they don't mention what keel it has. These seem important - are we just expected to know these things.
Thanks again for all the good info: i do have a question about insurance on boats over 20 years of age ... are their any specialists that you know of ?
I'll take a pass.i believe Zola was in a RUclips video of the same name a few years ago.those owners looked like idiots!it explains some of the oddities.
I think you are correct, I had a look at the channel you mentioned and comparing the two boats seems to bear out what you are saying even confirming the idiots to be idiots, he is a bimbo and she is an even worse bimbo. The interior now is the very same interior as when they bought the boat, counter tops and floor all appear to be the same.
Every Westerbleak [sic] I've met was slapped together with a block and parts each sourced from the cheapest bidder. WB is just an assembler, and they slap red paint over everything including all the rubber parts. Gates, Goodyear, all the folks who make the rubber parts say this is the best way to kill them. And not hard to avoid. So WB? I just can't trust shoddy work built with lowest cost bidders.
@@LadyKSailing sailing is a mystery to me but I'm so eager to jump in..but not the deep end just yet..gonna try the Great Lakes (pretty deep Ontario) first
@Lady_K_Sailing you know I still feel that you pick off a boat like this and you think you're getting a great deal maybe you're buying somebody's problems maybe you are the next guy that wants to spend that big buck on that problem I don't know man all I can see is if they're selling it for a good price dirt cheap why are they doing that why don't they keep it for the next following year to really enjoy the next year do more or is that boat really a real piece of well you fill in the blanks
Few have the choice of buying anything but a used boat.
Then who is buying the massive amounts of new boats?
@@momosworld7312 good question. Who IS buying massive amounts of new boats?
Absolutely. Like cars imo, find a 'regret purchase\forced sale', rather than buy new.
Buying used yacht, I'd trade size for stuff like durability & simplicity.
Even my (formerly hi tech) skiff is 2002 built. Happy sailing.
@@momosworld7312 It must be richer people than those of us asking, if that helps. ;-}
_Btw, yeah it's petty, but...amounts are for piles, numbers are for counts._ 🇦🇺⚓
@@UncleJoeLITE
Well, there is tens of thousands of new boats sold every year.
Next you will be telling us how to pronounce aluminium 🇺🇸
That cooler is 12 V, so you can freeze couple cases of beer while you're working on all the other stuff on the boat. Easy accessible.
Looking at the drawings of the two versions, the "full" aft cabin, only looks to simply be a bed. No place to sit and the hanging locker is outside the cabin. Whereas the three cabin version both aft cabins have hanging lockers inside the door. And, in the two cabin version, one of you will have to climb over the other - just like in the pullman. Except the pullman has ore space to climb across, whereas the two cabin aft cabin only has the width of the door, since the bed apparently comes right to the door (from the drawing).
"What's this? Another fan? These people must be famous" 🤣
Your information is priceless. Loved this episode. Thank you.
The good thing about being a pessimist, is that it is always a pleasant surprise to be wrong.
I knew gas engines in and out before I started sailing and learned diesel. When I hear an engine was replaced by an unknown party and IT LEAKS OIL that's a red flag to me. I like diesels that will sleep quietly, but wake instantly and totally reliably when needed. BIG ticket item if it needs replacement, or even a full tear down.
let that diesel warm up tho
Video idea for you: what boats should someone be looking at who wants the lowest possible maintenance headaches but cannot afford new. Maybe that answer is "that kind of person shouldn't buy a boat." lol. But I bet you've got more thoughts than that.
Hooray for 12 volt freezers. I just bought a Setpower for $186 to my door. Put your camera and binoculars in the galley fridge and your food in the portables. That Beneteau lacks battery isolation switches. A disaster.
Good stuff as usual. I have learnt a lot from your channel. Thank you.
We’ll never know until we check it out in person
What is up with the floors? Looks like cheap laminate. Was that put in when "repairing" the grid after the grounding? Gaps in the flooring all oner the place.
Buy one with lightning or buggered motor, rip it, tanks, all other unnecessary weight out, incl gas. Drop in emotor, sufficient PV+48v/16s eve diy build (much cheaper options vs victron, i.e hybrid aio), new/modern devices, rigging, suitable outboard on tender that will also push boat "if" needed, noisy 2stroke easier to diy fix if it goes for a swim.
Might not be ready to go sailing NOW, but when ya head off next season, you'll know the boat almost as well as you know your mum.
This the same boat the owners of our sailing club have. We use it for all the ASA training and testing. Also for practice sails with small groups of the members. It is a very comfortable and great sailing boat. I hate going back down to the Capri 22's (the fleet of day sailers we use regularly) after spending time on this gem.
Might be a possible topic: upgrading electronics. I've got 20 year old RayMarine (2003) that I want to replace with B&G. Is the Ray Marine NEMA 2000 compliant? Should be. Will I have to replace my sensors (haulout for the thru hulls)? Or can I just buy the main components and install them myself? And if I go iPad, what about AIS? (I currently have AIS on a Windows Chromebook that hasn't worked in months. Sometimes the menu item I need to select appears, sometimes not.) I don't need my specific questions answered. This is general. What still frustrates me is I have the money, I want to upgrade! When the local B&G installer finally calls back, all they want to talk about is Garmin. Not because it's better in someway, it's just that Garmin is elbowing its way in. Maybe that's an episode topic: Money Can't Solve Your Boat Problem. And what features do I need? Just how well does that Ray Marine smart camera stuff work?
One thing I really liked on a B&G radar. It can read storm clouds, tell you what's about to hit you. In the Bahamas it was like a game. There's the storm, if we go that way, we'll miss most of it. It could also 'interrogate' a target. That's just noise, or that's a boat without AIS moving in this direction. On a boat I just sailed across the Pacific on the B&G radar couldn't do these things. Without these experiences I wouldn't know.
Thanks again!
Speaking of iPads for navigation, you should do a new video on that subject. iPad types, size, storage, especially on mounts, etc. my boat came with no electronics and I don’t plan on adding a chart plotter after spending $2k on a new instrument package although I may replace the old non working radar with a Furuno wireless unit that can use the same, or another, iPad. Also I do realize you did a video 4yrs ago on this but I can only assume the info is as outdated as electronics of that era are now…
one other thing to question on this boat that is not the original cabin sole?
👍🏼 we thank you for this video Tim 👍🏼
Thank YOUUUUU for watching!
Wouldn't 3x cabins likely be ex-charters? I guess that's 10+yr ago now.
Great observations, inferences & questions, from just ad pics & copy btw. ✅
I'd rank: 1. Yanmar, 2. Volvo, 3. a few ok brands, ... 10. HappyGoodLuck.
_That opening sentence WAS in English, wasn't it Captain?_ 😂⚓🇦🇺
Ya gonna pass on that one.
@Lady_K_Sailing did you see my email
With AGM's, if you want them to last you don't take them below 50%. So that would be 300 amp hours not 450. I have them in my rv now, I bought lithiums to replace them, will be installing soon. I'd never buy AGM's for a boat, JMO. I'd rather buy the cheaper boat and put a new engine and a couple on new sails on it if there were only a few things wrong with it.
You can catch a part of the history on this boat by checking the RUclips channel which is now called flying Zola. Looks like they sailed it for about a year and sold it about a year ago.
My thoughts exactly about my iPad. I prefer Navionics over my chart plotter every day of the week. I keep the iPad zoomed in and the chart plotter as just a zoomed out Birds Eye view.
Ta mate. Always get some good advice from your videos
The kitchen counter is not the original. The floor is not original. Strange.
Tim, how hard would it be to reposition the solar panels to run "lengthwise" instead of "widthwise"?
That first boat is from Sailing Zola. A youtube channel.
Love your vids... good clear communication. Always crack up though because I can't help thinking you could possibly be Russel Crowe's first cousin.
I always ask the young lady how many times a night she will need the head. If over 1 she sleeps in the other cabin. Be happy, be safe
40ft hunter legend in gulf Port. 45k on marketplace so I don't see the point in spending the extr. Check it out it's clean
Sorry, but a tablet is not a substitute for a proper modern MFD integrated with AIS and radar. These two things greatly enhance situational awareness. Add forward facing cameras with IR and you have a powerful capability. Nothing is a replacement for standing a proper watch.
Also, your assessment of older diesels is bunk. A properly maintained Westerbeke, Perkins, Universal, etc is incredibly reliable and relatively simple to maintain.
@Lady_K_Sailing in my view, it is perfectly fine to use a tablet or phone with Navionics as your chartplotter while operating in the daytime or in known waterways with few hazards and relatively unrestricted waterways. However, this solution has limitations, and as with any GPS, there's some inherent error. There's a reason why many boats in the northeast US have radar and far fewer in the Chesapeake have it. Radar gives you a better fix on obstructions and land mass. Electronuc charts have error. But I want to reiterate that nothing beats standing a proper watch.
Such good content, made me laugh, thank you keep it up
This is the greatest pee review of a boat that I've encountered.
Hey Tim what do you think about the Cape Dory's for ocean sailing or island hopping
Love them!!! Too skinny for me though. I like a little beam
My wife and I are BIG FANS of your channel....I am currently onboard our 375 Hunter Legand, on the Chesapeake Baby sitting through this storm. We have owned her for 24 years. Raced and cruised her (10,000mi) ....going into retirement very soon . Curently have a bid on the sabre 426 on lake Michigan (Renaissance) what's you thoughts on the 426 sabers...
Continue from last message, it has very minimal "saber crazing". We are struggling with this issue.. throwing this out for a topic.. this saber426 is awesome. Trying to look pass the crazing thing...
Why don't sailboat listings mention if the mast is keel stepped or deck stepped? Sometime they don't mention what keel it has. These seem important - are we just expected to know these things.
Where do I get the tshirt? (You're going to need a bigger boat.)
Thanks again for all the good info: i do have a question about insurance on boats over 20 years of age ... are their any specialists that you know of ?
🤣 Funny dude. Could a guy ever convert three state room to two?
From what I understand if the boat came as a two, the division may not be structural.
I'll take a pass.i believe Zola was in a RUclips video of the same name a few years ago.those owners looked like idiots!it explains some of the oddities.
I think you are correct, I had a look at the channel you mentioned and comparing the two boats seems to bear out what you are saying even confirming the idiots to be idiots, he is a bimbo and she is an even worse bimbo. The interior now is the very same interior as when they bought the boat, counter tops and floor all appear to be the same.
Every Westerbleak [sic] I've met was slapped together with a block and parts each sourced from the cheapest bidder. WB is just an assembler, and they slap red paint over everything including all the rubber parts. Gates, Goodyear, all the folks who make the rubber parts say this is the best way to kill them. And not hard to avoid. So WB? I just can't trust shoddy work built with lowest cost bidders.
I caught scabies from high school gym mats.
Tim for an older starter "learn how to sail" boat is an Atomic 4 reasonable?
Sure. Just do a compression test first. A bad compression atomic is a horrible nightmare.
@@LadyKSailing
thanks....makes sense..just like a car
@@LadyKSailing
sailing is a mystery to me but I'm so eager to jump in..but not the deep end just yet..gonna try the Great Lakes (pretty deep Ontario) first
it's simple when you see s*** laying on the side of the road don't pick it up and play with it
@Lady_K_Sailing on this topic what would you like to discuss that hasn't already been are we the interested
@Lady_K_Sailing you know I still feel that you pick off a boat like this and you think you're getting a great deal maybe you're buying somebody's problems maybe you are the next guy that wants to spend that big buck on that problem I don't know man all I can see is if they're selling it for a good price dirt cheap why are they doing that why don't they keep it for the next following year to really enjoy the next year do more or is that boat really a real piece of well you fill in the blanks
Great info
Really? You must know that this boat was owned by RUclipsrs Nellie and Banner
Yup, I think they bought it for about 100k. I think it's over priced
Great job on this one, as with all of them. Just waiting for my wife to retire so we can live on a sailboat. That's our dream. 4 years to go.
@Lady_K_Sailing my wife has family in Michigan and want to sail the seasons. I really liked you earie canal casts,they had me licking my chops.