I have a 10" Delta saw/jointer combo built in the late 30s. I'm it's second owner. The first owner is one of the oldest (maybe THE oldest still in business) aircraft repair stations in the US. Lots of airframes were wood back in the 30s, had "conventional" landing gear, ground loops were common. Ground loops often resulted in two splintered wing spars. This Delta combo helped repair lots of training aircraft broken by very young student pilots preparing for WWII. I will keep it in good repair. Maybe someone else will keep it running after I'm gone.
I notice I posted under my wife's name. Her hand-me-down tablet. She would find that hilarious. Mine has the original basket blade guard but no splitter/kickback pawls; I think the splitter was an extra-cost option. I can make one like the original, but will wait until you finish the resto to see if you think it's worth it. I retired five years ago as a senior engineer at a French aerospace company. Started out as a lowly A&P who had studied French in college.
That saddle style rip fence and Delta cast into the base casting puts that around 1936-1937, first generation of those saws. They were changed slightly over the years, but subtlety. I’ve had a few of those saws, one of which I need to move out of the shop. They do good work, did an entire beaded face frame on one last year, 3/4hp motor was plenty of power
I had that exact saw. It was given to me in 1982. I went through it, replaced the bearings and lugged it around. Never used it. I think I sold it in 1995 for $75. These old saws are so well made. Beautiful castings!
I’ve watched the dove tail and dead blow videos you have and i want both they are both great videos and products but this video series hit me hard i have the same table saw sitting in the corner of my shop covered with stuff it was handed down to me by my dad I have a commercial grade 5 hp cabinet saw i use at the shop but have plans on completely restoring it when my shop at home is built these videos are perfect i have the jointer that goes with it but not sure what kind of new style blade i can use it is missing the blade guard and kick back blade but but this is the first video I’ve watched of yours working on this Saw so I’m sure you’ll figure something out as inventive and creative as you are can’t wait to watch the rest probably stay up all night watching them thanks for all that you do for the RUclips community and I am interested in purchasing the dovetail cutters you produce not sure though right protocol to purchase them from you keep doing a great job thanks
Hi Randy - Nice job on getting that old saw apart. I did the same last year to my old Craftsman 10" that I received from my 'Father in Law' it didn't need new bearings but I changed them anyways.
He is a tough inspector and his standards are high. It may be a bit of a wait, you may want to get some coffee. That is what they say at the tire shaop.
I got a new Delta Contractor's model in 1984. In 2014 I replaced the Jet Fence with a DELTA 36-T30. I have used that saw about once a week for 37 years.
Beautiful saw for restoration Randy, I picked one up last fall, it is a bit smaller, but made in that nice 50's fashion. Not as complicated as yours, but very nice. I fell in love with the cast iron table when I saw it. Really they just don't make them like they used to, cheers!
If something is apart always replace the bearings, they are cheap compared to your time to tear it all apart again when they fail, or so my Grandpa taught me. Especially or cars, he said they call it a throw-out bearing because if you can get to it you should always Throw It Out.
I would suggest on your jointer, is to check it for flatness and head to table alignment. I had a 6" Boise-Crane jointer that was ok. I milled the tables to match the knife head. It became a sweet machine. Then my son swiped it from me :-)
Should be a beauty when you get done. Just a heads up I have an old Rockwell 12 inch saw and the fence system look very similar there has been many times I've wanted to purposely bent the locking handle because it will interfere with long stock, that round knob is just a touch to big might be why that one looks bent.. just a thought.
Nice saw even if it is for ...er...w w w wood. There I said it! Horrible stuff that wood😁 Fairly complex set of castings . Looks like it is a decent, rigid and well built saw. Made to last and made to repair for the commercial user no doubt. I will be interested to see the motor innards when you get there. Cheers.
Hi Randy. I rebuild shop equipment all the time. A lot of machines have New Departure bearings. Sorry to say, New Departure has Departed! I find most in the Metric sizes, maybe the bearing company's have converted to the metric system years before anybody else. Just a thought.
I have one like I repair it around 34 years ago and steal working good old machine , idle for two years , plug start and dust all over but work good , never give up
Those "quadrants" which everyone else calls the trunnions, are made of white metal, zinc or zemak and are fragile. The broken off bit is probably the bit that sets 90 degrees on the table with a set screw. Be careful picking that saw up by the top, you can break the front trunnion. Looking forward to part two. I think I finally have all the pieces to restore mine.
@@RRINTHESHOP Looking forward to it, the one I am going to restore had the ears broken off the front trunnion, probably by a bad lift or tipping over. I finally found most (all?) the pieces to restore the tilt mechanism and the lift.
@@RRINTHESHOP Thank you very much. This might be the most difficult bit of restoration in such case. Keen to know if you can find or make replacement parts for them.
Hey, Randy. I'm about to begin restorating the same unit (but with the original jointer), and I wonder if you could tell me some of your "lessons learned," things I should expect, things I should look for, what parts are likely to require replacement, etc. I'd appreciate any help you'd care to provide.
New bearings on the spindle, the worm drive setup for raise and lowering the table (probably worn out). The Table tilt front and rear Quantants are probably broken, die cast. Hard to find in good condition. The Fence could be problematic depending on how it has been treated over the years. Be sure to check out the rest of the series, a lot of info there. I did restore an original Jointer for the saw. Thanks, I hope this helps.
@@RRINTHESHOP Hiya, Randy. I'm starting this weekend! I'll do the stand first. Do you have any tips for cleaning up the stand (rust and paint removal)?
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I have one of these old tiltys, it's a daily user in my shop. despite it's quirks, it's a great saw. mine is on a delta cast iron base with the motor way down inside the base. the motor is a more modern 2hp, an old delta ri motor wont fit inside the base!
@@RRINTHESHOP some call them tippy tilty! great series on the rebuild, i have to locate those screws to adjust the gib bar, maybe that's why mine is so stiff to raise.
Randy, thank you for the table saw disassembly video. I have a Rockwell Delta combo table saw and jointer that my father bought for me in 1968 for my 18th birthday. The deal was he had a new house with an unfinished basement and I could have the saw if I finished the basement which I did 53 years ago. since then, I modified the table saw by adding two cast iron side extenders and moving the jointer to the side on its own side platform (see HomemadeTools www.homemadetools.net/forum/jointer-table-saw-uses-same-motor-18906#post26447 ). The saw has seen several thousand hours of use and I can tell by the sound of the blade spindle bearings that these again need replacement. I did this once before and what a pain to get the table and blade back into perfect alignment. I am looking forward to seeing you next episode and maybe get me motivated.
Keith Rucker might soon be able to cut that helix. Thanks for posting with adequate volume - i.e. I was able to make out your words with my tablet volume set to 100%. You are still shy of the advert volume though.
Hi Randy .. I have a later very similar 12" Table saw, except it doesn't have the side table on it. { Lol ) I noticed a fresh break on the "V" belt pulley.. That type of pully if it has a fair bit of resistance, I place a slotted Flat Mandrill on the back as a support to pull off the Pulley. Otherwise it sounds like a good project being done, like a certain cement mixer. will look forward to your next segment.
restoring a family heirloom is always a worthwhile project. i had one of those saws many years ago and my opinion of them is they border on being downright dangerous. Osha and the product liability lawyers would have a field day with those things today. I would only use it if i never had to tilt the table. But I'm sure it will make an interesting restoration. And when its done i'm sure grandpa would have been proud. it will make a good conversation piece. Just keep the kids away from it.
Well that’s proper American table saw not anymore and definitely ball bearing have to change I don’t to say but every thing have to be clean for the age is in good condition don’t loose anything well take to some one whit this special machine to take paint off good luck
I have a 10" Delta saw/jointer combo built in the late 30s. I'm it's second owner. The first owner is one of the oldest (maybe THE oldest still in business) aircraft repair stations in the US. Lots of airframes were wood back in the 30s, had "conventional" landing gear, ground loops were common. Ground loops often resulted in two splintered wing spars. This Delta combo helped repair lots of training aircraft broken by very young student pilots preparing for WWII. I will keep it in good repair. Maybe someone else will keep it running after I'm gone.
Good deal. I am an A & P, I have worked on several wood aircraft. Keep it running. Thanks.
I notice I posted under my wife's name. Her hand-me-down tablet. She would find that hilarious.
Mine has the original basket blade guard but no splitter/kickback pawls; I think the splitter was an extra-cost option. I can make one like the original, but will wait until you finish the resto to see if you think it's worth it.
I retired five years ago as a senior engineer at a French aerospace company. Started out as a lowly A&P who had studied French in college.
@@dalescroggins3844 LOL Dale. Thank you.
That saddle style rip fence and Delta cast into the base casting puts that around 1936-1937, first generation of those saws. They were changed slightly over the years, but subtlety. I’ve had a few of those saws, one of which I need to move out of the shop. They do good work, did an entire beaded face frame on one last year, 3/4hp motor was plenty of power
Thank you Mike. Thanks for the info on the dating of the saw. Good hard working saws.
I got the same saw from my Grandpa, looking forward to your restoration series!
Good Deal. Thanks.
I had that exact saw.
It was given to me in 1982. I went through it, replaced the bearings and lugged it around.
Never used it. I think I sold it in 1995 for $75.
These old saws are so well made. Beautiful castings!
Wow. good saws. Yep real nice castings. Thanks Jeff.
What a great project. Thanks for your video from germany.
Thanks for watching!
Glad you made a video of this so you can figure out how it goes back together later. :)
For sure Tom, it might help. Thanks.
Right on Randy! 👍 Looks like a good stout saw! Delta Tough! 💪
I’m glad to see the bag in action! Thanks for the shoutout!
Love the bag Jon. Thanks for stopping in.
I’ve watched the dove tail and dead blow videos you have and i want both they are both great videos and products but this video series hit me hard i have the same table saw sitting in the corner of my shop covered with stuff it was handed down to me by my dad I have a commercial grade 5 hp cabinet saw i use at the shop but have plans on completely restoring it when my shop at home is built these videos are perfect i have the jointer that goes with it but not sure what kind of new style blade i can use it is missing the blade guard and kick back blade but but this is the first video I’ve watched of yours working on this Saw so I’m sure you’ll figure something out as inventive and creative as you are can’t wait to watch the rest probably stay up all night watching them thanks for all that you do for the RUclips community and I am interested in purchasing the dovetail cutters you produce not sure though right protocol to purchase them from you keep doing a great job thanks
Thank you Brian. Good project. Email me RRINTHESHOP@GMAIL.COM for tools.
Thanks for turning up the volume on this one
You bet Thanks Alan.
Wow, Randy can talk above a whisper... lol... Much better Sir!!! Thanks!!!
👍😀
Hi Randy - Nice job on getting that old saw apart. I did the same last year to my old Craftsman 10" that I received from my 'Father in Law' it didn't need new bearings but I changed them anyways.
Maybe Boston Gear has a gear that may work for that shaft?
Good deal Eric, yep change those bearing while it is apart. Thanks.
Roscoe is such a good shop buddy. I can’t wait for you to rebuild the saw so you can build me some some cabinets 👍🏼
He is a tough inspector and his standards are high. It may be a bit of a wait, you may want to get some coffee. That is what they say at the tire shaop.
I got a new Delta Contractor's model in 1984. In 2014 I replaced the Jet Fence with a DELTA 36-T30. I have used that saw about once a week for 37 years.
Nice Clark. Thanks.
Enjoyed....
Thank you Chuck. Take care.
Awesome Randy. This is going to be a great restore. Thank you.
Thank you Almost. I think so.
Beautiful saw for restoration Randy, I picked one up last fall, it is a bit smaller, but made in that nice 50's fashion. Not as complicated as yours, but very nice. I fell in love with the cast iron table when I saw it. Really they just don't make them like they used to, cheers!
Thank you Howder. Yep the cast iron is great. They sure don't make them like this anymore.
Like a good restoration!
Thank you,
Well you figure it out. Looks like a good project
Thanks James.
That looks to be one very sturdy and versatile unit. Appears to have a lot of potential once the RR treatment has been applied. Happy New Year Randy.
Very solid, very heavy. It will real nice. Thank you Chris. Take care.
If something is apart always replace the bearings, they are cheap compared to your time to tear it all apart again when they fail, or so my Grandpa taught me. Especially or cars, he said they call it a throw-out bearing because if you can get to it you should always Throw It Out.
For sure John. It is the mechanics law isn't it. Thanks John.
I would suggest on your jointer, is to check it for flatness and head to table alignment. I had a 6" Boise-Crane jointer that was ok. I milled the tables to match the knife head. It became a sweet machine. Then my son swiped it from me :-)
Thank you Big Al. I will be checking that.
Nicely done, enjoyed 👍
Thanks you Ron.
Should be a beauty when you get done. Just a heads up I have an old Rockwell 12 inch saw and the fence system look very similar there has been many times I've wanted to purposely bent the locking handle because it will interfere with long stock, that round knob is just a touch to big might be why that one looks bent.. just a thought.
Thanks RC. I will take a look. Originally the handles were straight.
Nice saw even if it is for ...er...w w w wood. There I said it! Horrible stuff that wood😁 Fairly complex set of castings . Looks like it is a decent, rigid and well built saw. Made to last and made to repair for the commercial user no doubt. I will be interested to see the motor innards when you get there. Cheers.
Thank you Warren. Very solid machine. A bit weak in the angle lock area, I wish this setup was more rigid.
Hi Randy. I rebuild shop equipment all the time. A lot of machines have New Departure bearings. Sorry to say, New Departure has Departed! I find most in the Metric sizes, maybe the bearing company's have converted to the metric system years before anybody else. Just a thought.
Thank you Rossi. Yes these bearings are 17 x 40 x 12.
Neat saw 👍🏻
Thank you Craig.
I have one of these. The fence is stuck after it fell over when I was trying to turn it around. How did you get the fence off?
Lock lever in the up position and pull the travel gear knob out and loosen the top knob for the far side lock. Then I should slide off.
I have one like I repair it around 34 years ago and steal working good old machine , idle for two years , plug start and dust all over but work good , never give up
This is a great saw, I just have to restore it. Thanks Hito.
Those "quadrants" which everyone else calls the trunnions, are made of white metal, zinc or zemak and are fragile. The broken off bit is probably the bit that sets 90 degrees on the table with a set screw. Be careful picking that saw up by the top, you can break the front trunnion. Looking forward to part two. I think I finally have all the pieces to restore mine.
Thank you Mike, Part 2 will be in a few weeks.
@@RRINTHESHOP Looking forward to it, the one I am going to restore had the ears broken off the front trunnion, probably by a bad lift or tipping over. I finally found most (all?) the pieces to restore the tilt mechanism and the lift.
@@mikeking7470 If you need some parts contact Gary Brown over at Old Iron Machine Works , YoutTube channel.
What did you do with the worn out gears? Thanks
I still have them. I will probably replace them. Thank you Max.
@@RRINTHESHOP Thank you very much. This might be the most difficult bit of restoration in such case. Keen to know if you can find or make replacement parts for them.
@@maxwang2537 Old Iron Machine Works has donated a complete saw body with the gears, I have not disassembled yet but they look in good shape.
@@RRINTHESHOP That’s not a luxury or good luck that everyone could be able to dream of! Great and thanks for letting us know. And congrats.
Hey, Randy. I'm about to begin restorating the same unit (but with the original jointer), and I wonder if you could tell me some of your "lessons learned," things I should expect, things I should look for, what parts are likely to require replacement, etc. I'd appreciate any help you'd care to provide.
New bearings on the spindle, the worm drive setup for raise and lowering the table (probably worn out). The Table tilt front and rear Quantants are probably broken, die cast. Hard to find in good condition. The Fence could be problematic depending on how it has been treated over the years.
Be sure to check out the rest of the series, a lot of info there. I did restore an original Jointer for the saw. Thanks, I hope this helps.
@@RRINTHESHOP Thanks, muchly. I'll give it a try , and I'll constantly refer to the excelllent vids.
@@RRINTHESHOP Hiya, Randy. I'm starting this weekend! I'll do the stand first. Do you have any tips for cleaning up the stand (rust and paint removal)?
I used paint remover.@@philupdegrave731
I was an idiot. I missed a good opportunity of owning a very old but very nice Delta cabinet saw.
They are out there. Thanks Max.
Way cool saw by the way!!!
Thank you Danny.
What is the model number on the Proto wheel remover?
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Proto cone type j4255
I have one of these old tiltys, it's a daily user in my shop. despite it's quirks, it's a great saw.
mine is on a delta cast iron base with the motor way down inside the base. the motor is a more modern 2hp, an old delta ri motor wont fit inside the base!
Nice Steve. Good saws. Nice having a heavy base. Thank you for stopping in.
@@RRINTHESHOP some call them tippy tilty! great series on the rebuild, i have to locate those screws to adjust the gib bar, maybe that's why mine is so stiff to raise.
@@stevem268 Can help, plus a bit of lube.
Randy, thank you for the table saw disassembly video. I have a Rockwell Delta combo table saw and jointer that my father bought for me in 1968 for my 18th birthday. The deal was he had a new house with an unfinished basement and I could have the saw if I finished the basement which I did 53 years ago. since then, I modified the table saw by adding two cast iron side extenders and moving the jointer to the side on its own side platform (see HomemadeTools www.homemadetools.net/forum/jointer-table-saw-uses-same-motor-18906#post26447 ). The saw has seen several thousand hours of use and I can tell by the sound of the blade spindle bearings that these again need replacement. I did this once before and what a pain to get the table and blade back into perfect alignment. I am looking forward to seeing you next episode and maybe get me motivated.
Keith Rucker might soon be able to cut that helix. Thanks for posting with adequate volume - i.e. I was able to make out your words with my tablet volume set to 100%. You are still shy of the advert volume though.
Thank you Mike for your feedback. i will have to adjust some more.
The adjustment rod is bent on mine just like that.
Fixable.. Thanks.
Hi Randy .. I have a later very similar 12" Table saw, except it doesn't have the side table on it. { Lol ) I noticed a fresh break on the "V" belt pulley.. That type of pully if it has a fair bit of resistance, I place a slotted Flat Mandrill on the back as a support to pull off the Pulley. Otherwise it sounds like a good project being done, like a certain cement mixer. will look forward to your next segment.
Thanks Ted. The pully was broken from quite awhile ago and I was going to replace it with a good one, so no care taken to save it.
Randy,
How would I contact you for a project?
Thanks
John C
Email me John, RRINTHESHOP@GMAIL.COM
restoring a family heirloom is always a worthwhile project. i had one of those saws many years ago and my opinion of them is they border on being downright dangerous. Osha and the product liability lawyers would have a field day with those things today. I would only use it if i never had to tilt the table. But I'm sure it will make an interesting restoration. And when its done i'm sure grandpa would have been proud. it will make a good conversation piece. Just keep the kids away from it.
Thank you Larry. Oh yes all table saws are dangerous tools.
Your sound quality was lacking a little bit on this one Randy
Sorry Bill. I will be making some adjustments.
Looks like a challenge to restify without documentation....
I love challenge. Thanks John.
Well that’s proper American table saw not anymore and definitely ball bearing have to change I don’t to say but every thing have to be clean for the age is in good condition don’t loose anything well take to some one whit this special machine to take paint off good luck