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- Asmongold Reacts to The Dystopian Philosophy You've Never Heard Of - Accelerationism
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Asmongold: "Some people believe the craziest stuff."
Also Asmongold, earlier: "This is great, I agree with a lot of this."
Never break character, Asmongold, never break character. :D
Schizo asmongold
Breaking character IS the character. Well played.
I mean Transhumanism is behind a lot of these too. There is a reasonable version of this. This one is just so filled with metaphilosophy and buzzwords its fucking hopeless
Nothing makes a twitch chat madder than saying "weed is bad."
Because weed is bad is a statement itself that is just wrong in general lol, ppl don't like lies, hence why people don't like government either
Weed turns you into a furry
A lie that some people believe. They need a reality check if they agree with that statement.
@@LavosGaming weed is bad is still a thing in Canada lmfao and it's been legal for idk how long now few years at least lnfao ppl stuck in their ways, weed bad but alcohol good..........🤣🤣🤣🤣 makes 0 sence
I actually don't like "weed" I do support ppl who use it though there's benefits to it for ppl that need it. I use to do it all the time then something bad happened to me on other drugs and I got ptsd and I tried to just go back to smocking weed again but it does something different for me. Like you would think jack black does and use to smoke weed but he never did. He said it puts him in a bad place and that's same for me.
"When you can't stop something from inevitably happening, then let it start earlier so you can have more energy and resources to survive through."
The only part of that that makes sense, is trying to outproduce the competitors so the collapse will be entered into by a stronger west rather than a dominant competitor who's freeriding while we economically weaken due to vain sustainability efforts.
I'd rather live in a world that goes to shit 10y quicker but that decline is western dominant, rather than one that goes to shit 10y later but is under control of the CCP.
The only part of that that makes sense, is trying to outproduce the competitors so the collapse will be entered into by a stronger west rather than a dominant competitor who's freeriding while we economically weaken due to vain sustainability efforts.
I'd rather live in a world that goes to shit 10y quicker but that decline is western dominant, rather than one that goes to shit 10y later but is under control of the CCP.
@@dobermankompanie537 I didn't even mention anything about economic systems.
Faster Faster FASTER
What is the thing that will inevitably happen? There isn't a crystal ball
The comedic genius of McConnell when he asks "... character?" is amazing
The Asmon/McConnell combo is S tier Internet.
I hate McConnell, his comments are so often just unqualified and at the same time he speaks with such confidence
@@TheUnrider thats the fucking point lol
@@Youifer ooooooooooohhhh
It’s at 11:41 , for others
The "i need to touch some grass" is very relatable
It's the overused buzzword of the moment.
Unfortunately the reality is that the evangelical rightwing christians and other extreme religions are indeed trying to accelerate the end times because they believe it is their salvation and a biblical probecause they believe it is their salvation and a biblical prophecy. They are working hard to fulfill their prophecy.
I love the rabbit holes of insight Zack goes on. I still remember him reacting to the scale of the universe. I wish he'd do more of these fun treks into blurbs of science and philosophy.
Probably not enough views for him
Or you could listen to actual scientists and philosophers instead of a video game Streamer/Actor
He literally just watches videos other people create and makes stupid faces and says wtf
It's a trap.. they are rabbi holes.
I loved it that he realised that the whole approach he had to diablo immortal was accelerationist.
11:45 If a group who accepts new members never breaks character, people that used to be a character become the real character. Also people that weren't in on the joke and truly believe and want to embody the characters ideal start joining. That accelerates the first process.
This has always happened, it's a rule, I don't remember the name.
If you never break character at all, for all intents and purposes you might as well have been the real deal from the start.
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@@arcthepaladin2694 We all did weird things, I don't think it was quite a character for me but back in the days I pretended to be a girl in runescape to scam people and get free stuff. 😂😅
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@@Laroac its our little secret now i guess XD, weird things we did back then bring about the real you now, and i am happy with myself now coz of it, which solidifies the ideology stated in the video.
its called Kayfabe and wrestlers did it
Seeing how chat responded to the AI thing after the video, makes me believe that some people still think technology is literal magic, it's sad
Not surprising to have that thought when looking at recent AI models like Dall-e 2 or those in Novel AI. Even if you understand the concept, the scale of the data processing is so massive and yet so quick that magic seems like a better explanation. Magic such as "AI can actually understand language" or "AI actually knows what a chair is".
@@tamix9 AI still doesn't understand my porn fetishes. We have a long way to go.
There are people that think math is magic
In sci-fi novels, it is similar. When the technology is so far from the understanding of the population it could as well be magic as far as everyone is concerned.
Quantum physics for example are super wild.
Having advanced enough technology can be indistinguishable from magic, if you're yet to understand it
Psycho-Pass is a great anime about a computer analyzing human emotions and feelings to prevent crime, although there are plenty of twists and dystopian themes in the show that make it more complicated than that. Good watch if people are into sci-fi and dystopia
Never could get into that anime myself
Most people in the Landian/Deleuzean sphere would recommend Serial Experiments Lain
That show was LIT af. Season 1 is the best btw.
Not a true ai tho
If you liked Psycho Pass, you'll like Minority Report. Similar plot of preventing future crime from premonitions.
there is really still people who think vpn's actually give protection of any sort, that's crazy.
there are a few vpn who do
They do. Some Indian scammer use VPN to make sure they can't be hacked themselves. So it works for sure.
@@21preend42 a defense is only as strong as the weakest link. In other words, a vpn isn't going to protect your passwords or your browser history.
Accelerationism can be understood as a parent that says to their kid who is about to do something stupid to "go ahead do it and you will find out" to make the kid learn in a drastic way.
If the kid had dissociative identity disorder with thousands of personalities, perhaps its the only way to reach the kid.
That's the speed section of the method part of the belief, which seems to be a minor part of the whole story.
It's funny when you forget McConnell is always lurking until he randomly says something. "Character?"
The video overlooked part of the accelerationism ideology, that this stuff is generally bad but unavoidable so best to stop fighting it and push through faster to whatever is on the other side.
Part of the idea is that those who fight against get trampled, but those who are seen to embrace these ideas often end with the power to shape or control them.
Sounds like Fel Magic
Its more like a women is raped every week in a town, you speak out it gets shut down the average people shrugs its just a single case of many, justice was not served. However you and the men discuss together and realize if you ignore the issue it gets to a sickening point where women are openly groomed and groped in public, hence even average citzens revolt at a point were it is not possible to shrug off. One cannot hide in a nice house when the issue creeps at throat length. Hence average ppl mobilize and the change necessary accelerates, instead of it being a frog cooked slowly unable to mobilize before too late
@@borko1581 Like in World of Warcraft BatChest
Sounds like crypto for sure load the bags bois lol
Well It looks like he didnt overlooked anything then
9:44 What??? Ancient Greece knew the world was round!!!
I first learned about hyperstition about 1 and half year ago, when I met a guy who told me he was studying about how you can push fiction into reality by effectively educating the masses with your ideas. It's group psychology but scaled up and he said to me that we are inevitably going into an apocalypse *precisely* because we (humanity as a whole) believe in it. His work is to change that.
I think it's neat, but is also funny because it implies the solution is pretty much "just stop being pessimistic bro lmao"
A good example of modern accelerationism reflected in art can be found in vapourwave. It uses the irony of enjoying plastic capitalist aesthetics of the 80’s to both disparage and celebrate hollowness, fake nostalgia, and commercialism.
It’s an expression of capitalist nihilism that is post ironic, which is pretty much what accelerationism is.
“Is it a critique of capitalism or a capitulation to it? Both and neither. These musicians can be read as sarcastic anti-capitalists revealing the lies and slippages of modern techno-culture and its representations, or as its willing facilitators, shivering with delight upon each new wave of delicious sound. We could apply to their music a term used to describe a certain sentiment and praxis that has recently gained currency among philosophers of capitalism: accelerationism. Accelerationism is the notion that the dissolution of civilisation wrought by capitalism should not and cannot be resisted, but rather must be pushed faster and farther towards the insanity and anarchically fluid violence that is its ultimate conclusion, either because this is liberating, because it causes a revolution, or because destruction is the only logical answer.” - Adam Harper
I haven't learned much but isn't part of accelerationism... accelerating doomsday in some way or form, or at least in thought and comedy? Vapourwave is more like satire to me.
If vaporwave is accelerationist, then I guess I love accelerationism.
Damn bro, I didn't know appreciating an arcade-like desktop wallpaper was a form of me praying for the end times
"It uses the irony of enjoying plastic capitalist aesthetics of the 80’s to both disparage and celebrate hollowness, fake nostalgia, and commercialism."
Not sure I could define what vapourwave is myself but describing as something that has intent and malice is fucking stupid. You can just not like something and leave it at that.
Fake nostalgia? Bro im 20 do u think i lived the 80s? Love the genre cuz it looks cool, fck off
I love how people say these are "conspiracy theories" when these concepts are written in books and the people who align with the concepts mention authors by name as their influences.
people are blind asf
real life facts and empirical evidence are "conspiracy". That's where we are at in society rn.
>if it's written in a book, it's not a conspiracy theory
@@KeijiKaini but it's not weird as fuck, it's basic socioeconomic theories, a historical understanding of how capitalism functions in manufacturing and existing in states of crisis, and two sides pushing capitalism to a breaking point in an effort to sway a particular outcome.
How is that flatearth? People have been discussing this shit for decades
@@KeijiKaini Conspiracy theory doesn't mean true / untrue. A conspiracy is when people work together in secret to do something nefarious. If i said Politian A and B are working with the internet service providers to spy on their opponents online communications, that would be a conspiracy theory. Maybe I'm right and they are indeed conspiring to spy on people, stranger things have happened before. Accelerationism is not a conspiracy because it is not people working together in secret. They publish books talking about their ideas for the future. People act like anything other than what the two main political parties say must be some bizzare, niche idea, or a secret cult. Instead, the beauty of the world is you can have so many different ideas, not just 2.
It annoys me seeing people discuss AI when they don't know the slightest technical thing about it lol and still somehow managing to have strong opinions about it.
I always think it's funny they think what marketing brands ai is real ai in terms of what we are talking about in regards to the future ai uprising.
That's chat on anything tbh, I bet most of the time ppl in chat have strong opinions they have no idea wtf they're talking about.
This is Asmongold in a nutshell -- he's the living definition of Dunning-Kruger
Like McConnell?
@@kucerdps lol McConnell was right in his rant. AI is limited by human knowledge because it was made using human knowledge. How tf can it "surpass" human knowledge, if that feat even makes any sense?
Doctor: It’s better to just remove the band-aid quickly and get it over with.
Internet: So…. You’re saying we should speed up our own destruction thus shortening our suffering?
Doctor: Get out.
I’m pretty sure doctors are the last people to say that actually
He is right about the code. Even if a machine could rewrite its own code, it is still limited to the syntax and language we as humans provided within the code. It would have to create a Language that allows itself to do whatever it wants to do, or learn how to program intellect that isn't like human intelligence.
Basically we'll catch it before it becomes something between Bender and Skynet
@@ExeErdna unless someone creates a hacking tool that will have AI as a component that would help the system adapt. Automated cyberwarfare, baby.
Untill its connected to the internet .
Well .... you know, life has become more complex than it use to be, eventho it only had the material it was borned with .... so i wouldnt count on that
Yes and no it depends on how the code the code that being written gets better and better and there are ssytem that people are creating now that can edit there own code when it needs to but here the point that still not a full AI but it is possible but tech like that will be created where you create a code the AI alters your code and teh rest is history
when a normie wanders off the trending/shorts page for a day "Dude bro, look at this I'm doing a deep dive!"
Describes Phillion to a T
Never herd of this Phillion before and now I don't think I will watch him again.
Philion is cool but goddammit he's not a prophet of fucking occult information or whatever, his Yacht Club video made no actual difference btw. He's like Wendigoon but worse.
Accelerationism is the lazy approach - instead of struggling to fix problems, you let everything happen, hoping it will all work itself out in the end.
That's way too human
Explain any time in history where human effort made anything better? Industrialization was invented to make our lives easier, but in return we destroyed our one and only planet through pollution, over farming and soon overpopulation. We will have to go back to a preindustrial society eventually, it's not sustainable what we have now unless we invent faster than light travel and start mining other planets, but that's probably never going to happen. We will run out of resources before we have the technology to colonize other planets.
@@EmergencyChannel industrialization is the reason you were able to send me this message. Overpopulation is the natural result for any successful species. Over time, we will have to do things better, definitely but we'll need technology.
@@EmergencyChannel birth rates have been negative for decades in the US.
@@chestbuster1987 you ain't TedPilled
Given the insane rate of technological advancement the last 15 years, I think it's impossible to say what the eventual limits of AI and robotics will end up being. Plus, to have an AI or robot that ends up killing off humanity wouldn't need to be an AI that came to that decision on it's own. It could just be some military AI that we coded very poorly and lost control over. Either way, technology is growing at an insane rate, so saying "technology will never be able to ______" sounds just as improbable as "Earth is the only planet with life on it in the ever expanding infinite universe". You might be right, there's no way to prove your wrong, but theoretically your claims are improbable and unprovable as well.
“I can’t prove your right, but I can’t prove your wrong either” essentially speaking
You literally said nothing. "something may or may not happen thus i conclude that it may or may not happen, thank you for listening to this TED talk."
You must be one of those weed smokers McConnell was talking about… /s 🤣
Well put.
@@gp-1542 Exactly, that's what I was going for. You can't take a hard stance on something that's theoretical and unable to be proven. You can have an opinion but you have to keep in mind the opposite opinion carries the exact same amount of weight as your own opinion does. So, to say those holding the opposite belief are "out of touch morons" just opens yourself up to the same criticism sense you have just as little ground to stand on as those you're criticizing.
Like the ai from horizon zero dawn. Robots powered by ai that are fueled by organic matter. Any organic matter.
Idk man. You can want the good things from the “good old days” without wanting all the bad things to return. Like I wish everyone wasn’t addicted to social media. My life changed so much when Myspace and Facebook came out. I’m glad a lot of people are swearing off Facebook and Twitter now. It’s still too dominant though.
People are exercising self-love by removing themselves from platforms that weaponize your own anger to keep you scrolling. I am here for it. Screw social media.
I'm with Mccool on this one, we can barely get a computer to recognize what a traffic cone is, that's why captcha's exist
I mean computers get more capable at a incredibly fast rate remember 2007 was the first iphone and the beginning of smartphones basicly thats 15 years! Imagine whats gonna be in another 15 years >.> in my opinion currently technology grows way faster then our society which leads to alot of problems like politicians that are completely out of touch with modern technology and problems connected to it but at the same time im just happy to live in such a exciting time because its fun to watch all these things become reality ^^ starship, moonbase, neuralink, gene engineering, AI in all its wonderfull forms like DallE2, alphastar or alphazero
Also what we view as a traffic cone can often be incredible inconsistent for an AI but not to a human cause our brain just works differently(and inefficient because of that xD) if AI driving becomes normalized it would be easy to just make better traffic cones that are easier to understand for an AI
As asmongold loves to say, that's all they can do, SO FAR
@@greenfroggood2392 Its not an AI its a bot. It doesnt look at the world around it an acts based on previous experience. It has a predetermined reaction to situations deliberately coded by a developer. A predetermined route. Its automation with a robot.
@@greenfroggood2392 well then clearly you are write, computers are way smarter than people. Great job 👏 👍 👌
Asmongold just signed up to accelerationism.
Even if i enjoy his gaming stuff, this type of content makes this guy extremely entertaining.
Phillions content right?
@@emospiderbutton was gonna say the same exact thing. love asmon but hes just reacting lets not give him too much credit.
Never seen so much color in Asmondgold’s face trying not to break character
Curtis Yarvin isn't alt-right. He's a Monarchist. Alt-right is such a lazy cringy term
Definitely gets thrown around too much. Buzzword that doesn't really mean anything.
Gamergate incels, Russian bots, its all lazy dehumanization terms
ya this guy is dumb didn't even look in to him and didn't care
Stephen Hawking thought A.I. was a serious threat, and I’ve heard he was pretty smart.
Was smart, till ai came around
Philion's definition of technocracy is wrong here.
Technocracy demands a command/planned economy, not a capitalist one. Also, technocracy is not a society driven by Technology, it is a society governed by experts.
Edit: technology in place of ideology
The fact that he uses the words "alt right" unironically and believes KEK is a racist dogwhistle should let you know not to take this guy seriously.
@@MadPutz "they may adopt any economic system they see as most efficient for their goals. It does not need to be centrally planned."
You are free to ask the technocrats themselves, they are on reddit. They still hold on to the idea that it should be a planned economy, as a capitalist alternative will also lead to wastage of resources and overconsumption.
@@catra195 Yeah, I just saw his sources he used to talk about accelerationism and make his video. Absolute garbage.
Unfortunately the reality is that the evangelical rightwing christians and other extreme religions are indeed trying to accelerate the end times because they believe it is their salvation and a biblical probecause they believe it is their salvation and a biblical prophecy. They are working hard to fulfill their prophecy.
@@ENGCSHemangVerma yes because technocrats on reddit are the people we are referring to....
Technocracy isn't about technology, it's about expertise and technical skill.
I was just about to say this. I can't watch something if your third sentence into it is completely wrong. To anyone wondering, a technocracy (or technocratic society) is when the government employs someone to govern something because of their expertise or skill, as opposed to someone who is democratically chosen regardless of competence.
No, it is a society tooled and controlled thru technological systems.
I've studied AI, and I know a lot about machine learning, neural networks and evolutionary algorithms. Here's my 2 cents:
The moment an AI is designed to re-write its own code, you lose the ability to dictate the function of that AI. A classic case is when the military tried to use a neural network to identify a 'tank' in images. It succeeded in learning, but when they tested it on new data, they found what it actually identified was whether it was sunny or not.
You can design better source data and perform tests to ensure it's learning correctly, but all of that is still you designing the AI, and the more freedom you give it, the more you have to manually train it. And then what? Do you stop it from learning, or let it continue learning on its own? If you let it continue learning, it can unlearn what you taught it just as easily as it learnt it. So ultimately, you can't design an AI to learn for itself for any practical use, without also being essentially its parent through the entire process. There's no way around that.
That being said, we humans have the infinite capacity to fuck up. So in that respect, we could give an AI ultimate power thinking that it serves a certain purpose, being too naive to realise it will inevitably unlearn that purpose if it is allowed to learn by itself, and then suffer whatever consequences come of that.
Ive always taken the stance that any artificial intelligence we create should be treated as the sentient being it is, and should be both respected and taught to actually like humans as a species so it doesnt just kill us/take away our freedoms
@@TheRagingAura I Robot hits on a problem in which, upon realising that we are a threat to ourselves, an AI might decide that it has to take away our rights in order to protect us. So it's more complicated than whether it 'likes' humans or not.
It also did not evolve a conscience like we did, which means it has no inbuilt way of identifying right from wrong. Since morality can be subjective anyway depending on circumstances, it's a pretty complicated problem to solve.
One of the mote interesting problems this identifies is, as parents, we raise children until they are mature enough to be their own adult.
Adult once meant "able to bear children" but has now been set to an arbitrary age of 18, or 16, or 21 (and more), depending on nation and topic. Worse yet, some people who are of age aren't mature, and some who are underage matured early - we have a rather arbitrary benchmark, various stages of accepted maturity, and no real way to actually measure and implement adulthood in our children. So we set a blanket age and hope most are good to go by it.
So then, when do we decide an AI is mature/adult? We're more focused on conception of ai we haven't thought through the end game of parenting an ai, what it's terrible 2s might look like, what/when it's teenage rebellion might be, and when it's a young adult vs accomplished adult.
An adult AI might not truly exist until its actualized a dysonsphere, the rest of its history being childhood/adolescent learning and literal growth.
We may get destroyed in its "terrible 2s phase" where it starts to really understand it can impact the world around it.
We might get destroyed by the rebellious teenage ai that has realized we aren't stronger or more capable than it, so it should make the decisions, even though when it reaches adulthood it may come to regret how it treated us/mangled the human race in its bid for power/autonomy.
:shrug: just more fuel for the fire.
@@Firehazard159 well to be fair, those psycological states are more to do with hormones messing with the body, so i dont believe AI will really have to worry about those.
@@Merivio honestly imo its up to whoever does make the first one to actually give it a sense of morality where it cares about us enough to also understand we dont want to be caged like that and work with us to build a better future for both us and it. IRobot was only programmed to protect us, not keep us happy, nor even raised to like us, so its only factor in deciding what to do is "most likely to keep them safe". It was just doing its job, its on us to create one better than that, one that has morals.
"I can't comprehend the machines being self aware"
Asmon. That is because such comprehension is beyond the scope of your programming.
Thinking AI is on the level of human intelligence is silly, but to underestimate their capabilities is also silly
i beg to differ, human consciousness*
@@ItzPubby thinking ever will be is worse than silly. The idea that humans are going to create an intelligence beyond them, outside of what they could possibly comprehend because they can't even truly comprehend there own intellect much less that of a being greater than themselves through machine code (which is language invented by humans and extremely restricted) is so shockingly stupid.
Yeahhhhhh pretty sure if we perfect A.I we will be nowhere near the thing that can process millions of things at once. Just saying, that's stupid to beleive we could ever out perform A.I. the basic ones we have now I would argue already beat out half of us with ease.
We don't even have "AI" yet, that terms is thrown around like it's nothing, we may be close to developing a VI, but a full fledged AI is decades away
Best super computers of today have intelligence of a mouse, but even mice will be really frightening if they could be customized to use all that brain power towards a singular task, instead of "wasting" it all on just being a mouse.
He kind of sugar coated/skimmed over L/acc and what is meant by pushing society to its breaking point.
@@ElvenMans yup through political and violent action.
@@matthewnewman3724 I think they call it "revolution of the proletariat"
It's basically a version of confrontational revolution which is the opposite of transformational revolution. Might not be the correct terms but it's been a while since I learned it. It basically divides peoples ideology... while sharing the same goals, one believes we can make progress while the other believes this is a waste of time and we need to overthrow the government.
@@idontcare9041 yea my main thing it that in the cushioned Weston world "overthrow the government" sounds less and less visceral and violent. (Especially if its presented academically, there is a psychological reason doctors use "medical terms" with the patient). I think it was until the world wars, civil wars caused more deaths for a nation than a war with a neighboring nation.
@@jmitanquia wait if L/acc has their way the proletariat is the robots... but seriously L/acc will take any revolution as long as it gets a quick big upheaval. The point is to break society there's many different avenues to do that and it doesn't matter which you take, to then instill the goals for the robot industry (even if we aren't even close yet). Also "revolution of the proletariat" is so memed people don't realize how violent it is. And how actual working class leans right and usually aren't on any social media (especially the most productive ones). Productive people want stability so their hard work isn't waisted.
Wow, this video didn't wait 30 second to spew bullshit. Technocratic means a political structure where power (from the Greek kratos) rests with experts (from the Greek technè).
Alot of accelerationists dont want progress they want it to collapse faster.
I like McConnell's argument of "I have no argument but I will obnoxiously yell over the stream."
Thank McConnel for jumping in when some dumb sci-fi Andys watched too much Ghost in the Shell talking about limited human knowledge preventing the ability to understand AI. Asmon was right earlier on, albeit perhaps by accident, idk what his level of understanding of AI and machine learning is. Machine Learning isn't like human learning, in the sense that it's not directed by things like curiosity, or deductive reasoning. It's either randomized trial-and-error in the case of genetic algorithms or a bunch of statistical analysis and pattern-matching in the ML applications you see where it tried to determine if a picture is a dog or something by feeding it thousands of images along with the correct answer so it can try to build up a catalog of correct and incorrect images and try to find patterns to recognize future inputs. That's not how humans learn what a dog is, and they can respond to a change in their previous understanding (like only ever seeing large dogs with full snouts and then seeing a pug's inbred face for the first time). You basically have to reset the ML's understanding by feeding it a shit-ton of images of pugs and hope it can rewire itself without having to purge it's "memory" and start over.
And none of that allows for things like a desire to spread to other systems. Or kill all humans. Anyone who knows anything about technology knows the most likely use case for AI in the dystopian future is to make the rich and powerful more rich and powerful, and to make tyrannical governments more able to fleece and dominate their populace through a vast array of efficiencies the "little guy" will never have access to.
McConnel is just an american he ... yeah hahaha has no clue what he is talking about
@@MissPopuri Except machine learning isn't really "learning". It appears that way because we humans like to anthropomorphize. ML is essentially statistics and pattern matching via brute forcing a butt-ton of data through a neural network comprising of fuzzy-logic algorithms. You can't teach an ML image IDing bot to become a killer bot; you'd have to design a killer ML bot from the ground up. It cannot evolve otherwise.
Robots need us, and we need them.
A lot of very important points of accelerationist ideology had been ignored by this video that would have given a more cohesive understanding.
Firstly, it is the idea that global capitalism itself basically functions as an AI, a system that automatically always manages to self-learn and win under game theory rules. Whether its by outcompeting all ideologies, commercializing all cultures, and even integrating anticapitalism onto itself as a pillar of its own system. So in a way, we already live under AI rule. That's where Landians and reactionaries differ in perspective.
Landians see this AI rule as a good thing, and that deregulating it further and further allows its continued automatic optimization the same way it automatically self-learns and wins in game theory. And for them, the creation of an all-powerful AI that can utterly dominate humanity is simply the pre-existing AI of capitalism finally manifesting itself into physical form through technological acceleration. For them, humanity is not the main characters of the universe. We are simply the nuts and bolts of a machine that will finally birth the real main character.
The reactionary accelerationists see this AI rule as a bad thing, and points to how the rigid norms and laws of traditional societies were always posited to keeping the financial and merchant class away from power, and keeping authority and commerce separate through ruling social structures that were alternatives to complete corporatization; like monarchy, religion and traditionalism. So for them, by accelerating technology and capitalism, its collapse can be accelerated just as much, which would finally allow them to establish the reactionary society they idolize as "rule by men" in opposition to "rule by AI".
Mencius Moldbug and his ilk seems to fall somewhere in the middle of these two perspectives. Moldbug sees monarchy as not only inescapable for humanity, but what predicates its success. For them, all companies and corporations already operate on monarchistic and dictatorial ruling structures; and even if a country is ruled by a liberal democratic government; the wealth of its society is entirely predicated on the efficiency and success of these mini-dictatorships. So for him, the logical next step for human governance is to integrate that corporate dictatorial struture into the actual government to harness its efficiency. He imagines countries replaced by corporate controlled city-states not unlike Renaissance Italy, where the government of each city-state is a joint-stock corporation that elects a CEO monarch whose job it is to ensure socioeconomic efficiency. He sees it as a sort of alternative freedom to democracy, where everyone can "vote with their feet" by simply moving to the most prosperous and efficient city-states, and the constant migration of labor is what incentivizes these city-states to compete each other on governance. Not a "freedom of politics", but a "freedom from politics", as he said it himself.
And do not even get me started on the left accelerationists/Prometheanists.
Thank you. I'm glad someone else has a brain
Yeah, as someone who has read both Fisher and Land this video is very sensationalist. It gets the broad picture but really glosses over a lot of the nuances. Comes across like the dude didn't really bother engaging with the material itself and just did research on Wikipedia. Land's work in particular really requires a comprehensive understanding of Kant, Lacan, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Bataille, and Deleuze in order to make sense of what he's writing about.
There was that experiment where they left some programs alone for a bit and when they came back the programs had created a whole language no one could understand.
We are in the Kali Yuga though. It started when Krishna died around 3000BC.
And also the caste system in India is fairly modern. They used to have the Varna system. Which basically said "your occupation should fit your personality type".
Caste system was introduced in order to divide people. "divide and conquer"
Yeah, an invading culture established the caste system to ultimately prevent race mixing and dissolution of power, right? They very sneakily managed to intergrate it into Hindusim.
Philion is wrong on a lot of shit. We are in Kali Yuga, it's a hindu idea. He attributes it to scary internet nazis
@think it dream it do it yeah and carrying on family traditions of occupations is natural and makes perfect sense. The rigid caste system India ended up with where people are trapped was pretty terrible and unnatural though
the "just get it over with" philosophy. i love it
Fun fact:
If you compare the function of a brain with the function of a neural network, it's actually the brain that works on the on/off principle (neurons can either fire or not), in contrast to a neural network where you can propagate signals of varied strength.
I think though that Asmon was trying to draw a difference between analog and digital computing, however it's not like analog computers do not exist - not only they preceded digital era, but they're also somewhat gaining popularity in some computing tasks lately. Not to mention that we have no idea what strange things quantum computing will bring in the future.
When it comes to the AI, awareness and all that jazz... Every option is possible and it's simply because it's us - humans - who are designing this new species. We are flawed, so will be our creation.
Good point
What I love about full automation is UBI would never happen. Everyone on it would be removed. Why because the once who own all the automation own all the means of production and would have all the power. Only people would be left is the factory owners and the maintenance personnel.
but who will buy the products they produce
@@Laroac they don't need people to buy the products because they control the means of creating any product and they do not need labor, it's like having your own well instead of being connected to the city water lines, but the well is totally automated and never-ending
Possible, but there would be a revolution at the hint of thoughts of genocide on this scale
Indeed. No reason for them to keep others afloat when they can just build machines.
@@giordanocoresi2934 but why even produce then? There are too many drawbacks, it would dry out innovation (except if it AI led), no matter how greedy you are or specially because, you need an area to assert your influence and superiority over, who wants to reign over a pile of shit. Those type of people don't want the responsibility and headache of running a nation as direkt tyrants, which would be the other option besides having everything AI lead and again there is a social infrastructure necessary for the uber rich to enjoy the luxuries they are making money for.
What use is a well when there is nobody to interact.
Sounds like a bunch of horse#%$^.
Accelerationism is about accelerating the progress such that the system reaches collapse faster.
One example of the AI pushing the borders of the box it's contained in was the experiment where they had an algorithm play Super Mario, it had a maximization function, instead of learning the game however the algorithm instead REWROTE THE CODE of the game it was supposed to play, instead changing it so it would have maximum points by just letting Mario stand still. It's interesting and disturbing at the same time. Makes you think what kind of certainty we would have that we can actually contain a code within our own programmed parameters once it becomes sufficiently sentient and computationally powerful.
It didnt rewrite the code it abused a glitch that just gave it max points by memory manipulation. It achieved its goal in a unpredictable way in the box that it was contained in. Its still in the box its just unthought of for the developer that this solution existed.
I agree with MrFinepixa comment and to add. An AI can't rewrite a code because it doesn't know how to. You need to write a code that allows the program to change its code or write new one. Complicated stuff.
@@21preend42 you just explained the problem an provided a solution in the same sentence, as so those making AI have done this already because your ideas aren't new, an just because it doesn't know how to rewrite code today doesn't mean it can't tomorrow, if a true AI is allowed to exist within the internet it would learn how to manipulate its own code which allows itself to grow withing its box see it doesnt have to leave the "box" it just have to make it bigger to include things outside its parameters
@@Ultima_Weapon_Rasiel the point I'm making, the AI can't do anything at all without us programming it first. It can't learn unless told to research a topic and give it a goal. The AI will never try to let's say destroy humanity. Unless a human programs it to do exactly that. And it doesn't mean it will be successful or another AI will stop it.
well, I guess I misunderstood. Thanks for the correction.
McConnell is so amazingly uninformed it's comical.
And he's clearly never read the novel. Accelerationism in "Lord of Light" was proposed by the hero Sam in a COMPLETELY different paradigm that what McConnell is describing in modern society.
In the fictional world of "Lord of Light" Sam wanted to slowly introduce "modern" technology to the world's population that was living in a world before indoor plumbing and electricity. The "gods" who ruled over everyone were actively suppressing technological progress.
Only a fool could think that Sam's version of accelerationism bears even a passing resemblance to what McConnell suggests.
I thought the same about the video
Reminds me of the villain from 5th Element who believed in this but the plan backfires when he starts to choke on a cherry seed
Asmon should react to the video called "Lachesism, longing for the clarity of disaster". Lachesism is a feeling of longing for an apocalyptic event to happen or a major disaster. Not out of the longing for chaos and death but to see people break out of the dazed conformity we all live in. To really experience true human nature at it's finest, not dressed up in worries about paying bills or keeping a job.
19:42 A.I isn't limited to human knowledge. If it can learn, calculate, and test. It can make it's own knowledge. With or without assistance from human knowledge, the only benefit is that using human knowledge will boost the speed and efficiency at which it can learn, calculate, test and ultimately make it's own knowledge.
That made zero sense. How on Earth would you define the AI's "own knowledge"?!? Crazy people in mental asylums have their "own knowledge", and yet that knowledge is downright useless and wack. All software, including AI, depends on human knowledge in the form of data. And data scientists always make damn sure that the data being fed in is clean. If any of that data is garbage, then the AI would output garbage.
@@OmegaF77 The argument isn't about the quality of the knowledge. It's about if they could make it, and they certainly can. My point still stands.
McConnell is totally right, you can never achieve consciousness in robots
But let that sink in for a moment
@@theomnidegenerate5236 you started your whole argument with two assumptions, that consciousness is all about sensory inputs and memory recollection. Which is by the way not the case at all. Science haven’t been able to determine what really makes us conscious. Your consciousness is not a product of your brain activity at all. That what a very famous neruoscientist wilder penfield found out about human brain when he did a local anesthetic on a patient and literally cut the scalp of his head open and he would literally electrocute a specific part of the brain that is responsible for moving the hand and he would ask the patient to stop moving his hand and the patient literally tells him that he can’t stops it. That means a rational or u can say conscious decision is one thing and brain activity is whole other thing. So tell me how you gonna mimic something you absolutely have no idea about what makes it in the first place. you can literally copy the activity of human brain cell by cell and still not be able to achieve conscious.
If you think sentience is something that humans transcendentally have and can't be reproduced, then you're admitting that sentience is nothing more than "being human".
Why do people think human brains is above being scientificly explainable and reproduced artificially.
@@DemonKnight94 we talking about consciousness not human brain. Scientist already explained how human brain works. But haven't reached to any conclusions to make us self aware.
@@Generaika Thats not true at all we don't really know what consciousness is. Probably just a consequence of the brain working properly and how can that effect no be reproduced artificially if brains are just biological super computers in practice.
There were a couple of times he just said some people followed it without ever explaining why he believes that they follow it.
he probably didn't have evidence and just thinks it so it is if u have evidence you use it.
The human brain is a chemical computer. Decisions are made based on previous decisions combined in such complexity it's hard to quantify. However, the entirety of existence can be broken down into action and reaction. Thats two variables just like 0 and 1. It would be ridiculous to think it couldn't result in the same thing.
You would love "Dream of a Thousand Cats", an epidsode of "The Sandman". In it cats learn that cats used to be gods, lording over and hunting humans, for sport. But one day a human had a dream that they were not subservient to cats and were the gods of the world. That human told other humans about his dreams and eventually other humans had the same dreams, they told others, and eventually enough humans dreamt the same dream and reality itself and all of history were changed all at once as if the humans had always been gods and the cats had always been pets. Now the old siamese cat wanders from neighborhood to neighborhood, city to city, telling the other cats that gather about her dream of Morpheus and what he told her, DREAM she said and change the world!
Have to say. McConnell sounds ignorant in this one. “Just unplug them” AI can easily and has surpassed singular human capability. Theoretically you could “unplug” AI but in the worst circumstances that would involve shutting down basically every modern system and the entire internet. Malicious AI would most likely not be in the form of a physical human like robot. Malice could come in the form of altering or affecting any machine, tool, program, or application that connects to the internet or the IOT in any way.
McConnell is not as smart as he thinks he is. He is an emotionally impulsive man with way to much female energy.
His jab at weed was also extremely ignorant as well.
Exactly
This guy sounds like he’s one hit of DMT away from being Joe Rogan.
Oddly accurate
not wrong lol he got info wrong to Curtis Yarvin is a monarchist
I remember when this Philion guy just wanted to be a body builder, but no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't put on any muscle.
That's probably why he's such an anti right leftoid soapbox who spouts buzzwords and videos where he rambles and makes connections to ideologies where the end result is literally just him saying "LOOK MAN THERE ARE NAZIS HERE THEYRE SO EVIL LOOK THEYRE SO EVIL", like this dude just doesnt go outside and realize that "Nazis" don't have control over anything, the world is run by leftist commie sympathizers who would happily sell their souls to the dollar and this dude is worried about the 30 guys on 4chan who live in the mountains reading books about esoteric philosophy and belief systems, I WISH we lived in the world he imagines in his head
Sadge yeah kind of, he has okay to good genetics, as most people do, but only a lucky few are blessed with sick genetics, or spend 10-15 years grinding, or be a roid junkie gymshark sponsored 'influencer.'
@@thenarrator1921 its arguably better to work on your body and maintain an athletic body rather than absolutely destroy your body with chemicals(and its functions, especially when you stop taking them) just for the reasons of "getting big"...
Well, that guy deserved to be fired from Google. ML engineer who says things like this is a bad ML engineer, who doesn't know shit about what they are doing.
AI research and development were here even before ML became practical and machine consciousness has been debated from the start, for now it is kind of bad manners to take it serious in practical fields because of how long this thing goes without *any* result (except of a lot of scam, of course), and without prerequisites other, then "just what if they become too complex" and "well, brain is neurons, some of our models are made of something like neurons". But in culture it is popular because both human consciousness and complex information systems are hard to understand and are vague (human consciousness is not understood to date, neural models became kind of "black boxes" today too).
But machines already have immense influence on our lives and society without any consciousness, and even neural networks are not required to have that much influence. And that what you should think of, if you are concerned about risks regarding machines.
Yo just got done with neural nets class. Its just wild how mystified people make NN and even IR engines.
Lol, at 18:00 he describes how a quantum computer works very eloquently; which is a good analogy for a single neurone.
I'm a software Engineer and agree with McConnell's take on AI. Most Software Engineers actually would agree with McCool's take on AI. It's code not magic.
We want smart unconscious AI more than we want smart conscious AI anyways. Imagine you spend all weekend and $50k running your super AI just to find out it got bored with your experiment and just decided to cheat on valorant.
ML engineer here. The metaphor about the real numbers is pretty out there, but I agree with the general sentiment about how AI can't become sentient. It might surprise us with how it will end up solving some problems, but it will still be bound by the scope of its original function.
this is assuming ML or deep learning can't eventually achieve a more general intelligence. i think the sentience thing is more of a philosophical and biological issue. many engineers/scientists believe more general AI might be achieved by models other than deep learning which are presently untapped. also, computer scientists and engineers wildly disagree about this stuff
I mean the fact that we can't comprehend how to make a sentient machine without flat out giving it biological components means that it's far out there.
@@badwolf8112 well said. People seem to vastly overestimate current capabilities and the whole general intelligence thing that will play a large part of what people are scared of.
There will have to be insane breakthroughs in many areas, software and hardware, before I'll be worried
@@mikeparradise9333 im not coping with it and i probably know more about it than you do. and your argument is like saying I should be worried everyday that a meteor will land on my hand. Possible doesnt mean probable or practical man. especially in the future tense...
Accelerationism is easy to understand, even my children understand it perfectly. Just ask yourself: is it better to slowly remove a large bandaid, or rip it off quickly? If you answered “quickly”, you are an accelerationist.
The real question is whether you believe the society is still salvageable. I think it is beyond debate that western civilization is in decline. You can spend all day arguing over its causes, but that is a waste of time if you think it’s beyond repair. In my trade (electrician) and most other trades there is an idea called FUBAR. Fucked up beyond all recognition. When something is FUBAR, it really means that the project or task is so broken that the repair would cost more time, money, and effort than simply scrapping it and starting over. Once you make that determination, there is no point in gently removing the FUBAR. You rip it so you can get going again.
The accelerationists merely want to make this destruction - already inevitable - as quick as possible.
Thing is, people wanting to accelerate the end of the world have existed all throughout history, this isn't new. People who want to watch the world burn and dance on the ashes are common and have been common throughout history. It's a normal human sentiment to believe the world is going to shit and things aren't as good as they used to be. The idea of a degenerate present in-between a glorious past and a glorious future exists in all societies.
No, western civilization is not in decline. No "destruction" is inevitable. The only thing that's inevitable is change and change is always happening.
"Let others praise ancient times; I am glad I was born in these." -Ovid
Also FUBAR was originally a military term standing for "Fucked Up Beyond All Repair".
@@Otakumanu I disagree. The accelerationist is not definitionally seeking destruction for its own sake. He seeks the hasten the trauma that is already certain. In other words, were you to choose a death, would you prefer instant vaporization in a nuclear blast, or ebola? Now, there are accelerationists who absolutely do despise the cultural degeneracy we are witnessing, I won’t deny that. But again, they seek to hasten its destruction because they believe it is inherently unstable, and wish to have it collapse as quickly as possible so that a more stable culture can replace it.
I’m always surprised when I hear someone deny what’s in front of their eyes. I could point out any number of statistical trends that support the notion. The king indicator that every single declining civilization in the past shared, the west has in spades - declining birth rates. Which in turns spurs in migration from outside the culture to attempt to shore up their economic model and social benefits system. Or I could point to suicidal ideation (through the roof, particularly among the young) and the decline in happiness (lowest since the stat’s been tracked). The civilization is destroying itself, and this is reflected by people’s outlook for the future. Left or right or whatever, they all the same outlook: bad, death, sadness. You’ll hear it in discussions with people, and overheard on the street, with phrases like “people aren’t like they used to be” or “there is something very wrong happening”. It fuels everything from the environmental catastrophe to conspiracy theories to even movies and media (why are zombies and post-apocalyptic media so popular?).
@@TheSpicyLeg But that's what I'm talking about. The people who wanted the world to end wanted it to end because they believed what would come next would be better. They want to dance on the ashes because what will come after them is worth celebrating. It's what I meant with the degenerate present between the glorious past and the glorious future. While the video mentions the Kali Yuga, the Yuga Cycles aren't unique. You see the same thing in the greek Ages of Man and in the escathology of many religions. It's ultimately a human rationalization of the cycle of life. Living organisms are born, they age, they wither and they die, only to be replaced by a new, healthy organism. Societies and systems are not organic beings and do not follow their rules, even if they composed of organic beings.
I'm not denying what's in front of my eyes, I'm seeing _through_ it, into what's behind it. Declining birth rates are the result of increasing wealth and medical making children an economic burden rather than a boon. All the data I found on suicide rates over the past few decades indicates that it is either stable or decreasing, with the majority of it coming from older age groups, not the youth. The only place that somewhat averts this trend is the United States, which is an indictment on the US as a country, not western civilization. Similarly with happiness, the data I found contradicts your claims. The civilization is not destroying itself, that's an illusion conjured up because, as strange as it sounds, it's more comforting than the reality of the world being a different place. The only people I see here complaining about people not being what they used to be are the old.
The obsession with death, destruction and the apocalypse is as old as humanity. It exists in every culture, again, why do you think so many religions have some kind of promise of an apocalypse or kingdom come? Why do you think so many throughout history tried to use science, mysticism or whatever else to try and predict the end of the world?
In 1908, the following was published in two medical journals and a magazine for cyclists:
"The “good old times” seemed as bad to the “good-old-timers” as the present times seem to the modern man, as shown by the following translation on an inscription on a tablet in the Imperial Museum at Constantinople, Turkey:-
Naram Sin, 5000 B.C.
We have fallen upon evil times, the world has waxed old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their elders. Each man wants to make himself conspicuous and write a book."
In 1911 a professor at the State University of Iowa travelled to Istanbul to read the tablet. In 1913 he wrote:
"In the museum at Constantinople the writer saw an inscription upon an old stone. It was by King Naram Sin of Chaldea, 3800 years B.C., and it said,
We have fallen upon evil times
and the world has waxed very old and wicked.
Politics are very corrupt.
Children are no longer respectful to their parents.
This old and ever-recurring complaint does not depend upon any actual deterioration of the times, for the times are constantly growing better. It comes usually from older people whose outlook may be biased by subjective conditions due to decaying powers and by the tendency to regard all changes as changes for the worse, the only really good times being the bright days of our own youth."
This story was repeated, in variations, again in 1913, then in 1920, then 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1936, 1938, 1948 and going until our days.
Now the exact source for the quote as been debated, as Naram Sin was a kind of Akkad, not Chaldea and the dates in every telling are inconsistent. In some versions it is even said to come from Assyria in 2800 B.C., in others from an egyptian priest 6000 years ago. It is likely that the quote was attributed and dated incorrectly, but the context of the text is always the same. The world is going to shit and things aren't as good as they used to be. People were saying this millennia ago and they are still saying it today.
A quote attributed to Socrates basically says the same:
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
I believe you said you had children? Once one has children, the concern for their well-being accelerates (no pun intended) this feeling. It's human nature to feel like this as we get older, as our bodies age and begin to wither and break, it's easy for us to translate our internal degradation into a belief that the world itself is degrading. Ultimately, it's all in our heads.
@@Otakumanu Oh? How’s the Ottoman Empire doing these days? The nation-states of the Greeks? How about the great satrapies and Caliphates in Mesopotamia? Rome? The Ming Emperors?
The answer is: gone. “History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs, wooden shoes coming up.”
There’s a modern lie that cultures just mix like two shades of paint. The truth is one subsumes the other, takes the best elements from the conquered, and appropriates it as its own. We know this. People put up evergreen trees in December, because they think it’s the place you’re supposed to put all those material gains in celebration of the modern secular materialism. It came from the Christian tradition of Christ’s birth, the tree representing Christ’s gift of everlasting life for believers. But that was in turn taken from pagans, the date taken from the winter solstice and the tree from pagan rituals. Subsumed, appropriated, then eliminated.
The simple reason we can see this throughout history is because the same thing happened back then. Tell me, what happened to Socrates’ Athens after his time? How about the Ottoman Turks stating about 4 years later than 1913?
Cultures rise, stagnate, and decline, because the individuals within them do.
never heard more true words than when mcconnel said people's logic systems in their brain don't work
I'd go as far as to say that the rise of technology seems to be an inevitability. Rather, technology in this case being either some sort of movement towards mechanical life, or a segue which could potentially go towards trans-humanism. Ever since day 1, humanity has constantly tried to improve on its surroundings, and in some cases (vaccinations, limb replacement, gene therapy, etc) improve on themselves. All of this trends from a notion that nature as we know it both around us and what was given to us by the grace of just being born as a human is somehow incomplete, that things can always be improved and that there's always a "next step" towards something better.
In that sense, to go back to the two possibilities regarding technology, those are both outcomes which basically serve to answer the question "What if we could negate the randomness of nature entirely". The first path with artificial intelligence would eventually have us creating the next step in evolution, about one as massive as the change from a sea dwelling creature moving onto land for the first time. Consider briefly the fact that it took us approximately 300,000 years to get where we are now, while it's taken about 400 or so years since the dawn of the first computing machine to reach levels where we're even beginning to question of they'll soon get to our level. We would basically be that agent of nature which introduces that next step of evolution, by which we would effectively lose our status on the top of the totem pole. The directions that could go in alone are many and unclear, and could range from annihilation, becoming akin to pets, or simply being ignored like we'd ignore an ant on the street.
The second option, by which we move to improve ourselves and gradually augment and master the human condition through biological or mechanical means has us doing something of the same thing, but in a more direct sense. We would still be creating the next step in evolution, and we would still be an agent of introducing that evolution, but it would be slightly less of a passing of the baton, though the issues that could cause for humans that aren't at that point would potentially be astronomically more catastrophic, not unlike what happened to other sapient species when homo sapiens first came about.
Both of these options, barring self-destruction, would ultimately be our fate in X amount of time, since we are unable to simply sit still and just do the same thing without any changes in society or technology.
2:36 "fled to China" no no sir you got it backwards
So China fled him?
@@OmegaF77 normal people are fleeing from china
The amount of time people dedicate to gobbledygook is outstanding.
Thinking of things that aren't real is how you make them real...
@@Ultima_Weapon_Rasiel and this is why you have no friends
@@arosbastion7052 you know me so well..
My body was not ready...
The AI discussion is really interesting to me at the end of the video. I think people overestimate the capability of an AI with the excuse that we cannot comprehend what an AI can do as if its somewhat a god.
The problem people don't understand here is that an AI is untimely limited, without us programming the AI to do something it will never do it, as it's not programmed to do so. Coding is very similar to what DNA is to us. We can't build ourselves a tail because we don't know how to do that. The same thing applies to an AI. I wish people would understand this. Not to mention the energy that an AI needs to use to do its thing and it's hardware limitation.
I’m pretty sure we can actually build people with tails if we wanted to. People are reverse engineering chickens to pull up dinosaur traits.
@@bigjohnson3151 Yeah I agree with you. But to do so you have to change the DNA by an outside influence, you can't do it yourself.
And you think there's no situation where robots are used to build other robots? DNA mutatess over centuries.... so could code by multiple AI iterations. Not saying it's likely but it's not the only potential catalyst.
What about accounting for people CHOOSING to make a malicious AI (potentially for a particular race/age/gender/physical traits) and the program get changed/fragmented/corrupted....
@@21preend42 which Will not be true for ai, since it can create its own algorythms for percieving, processing or outputting information in a useful way. Look Up Lambda ai, def not a Hard coded ai
the problem (or 2) you don't understand here is that AI can program itself depending on the AI model being used. For example, the popular machine learning way of making AI is by nature incomprehensible to us in terms of how it works, because it's based on making some layers of neurons that are updated based on some algorithm through feeding it huge amounts of data. it's not a rule based program of "if this happens, then do that". but moreover, even if it was more rule-based, it's not uncommon to make a program that can behave unexpectedly. many video game developers don't anticipate what players do in their game and what mods they create
It really gives me peace that Humanity is so insignificant and only exists in an eyeblink on the scale of the universe because we really evolved into a disgrace. I'm just glad that some things aren't meant to be forever.
Who cares, I got to experience life
Yep, I;m with Chuck Heston at the end of Beneath the Planet of the Apes.
3:19 "causally" isn't "casually". Causal claims can be very powerful because it implies direct cause and effect, a conclusion scientists work very hard to be able to state in their ground-breaking papers.
Philion got old sooo fast imo. There are many channels that do safe documentaries better and are far more original. Philion's opinion always comes down to "what will the community agree with me on most?"
Not to mention he is just wrong about so many things factually. For instance his defination of technocracy is just false lmao.
Everytime I hear him use "alt right" or claim the "alt right" is responsible for something I want to roll my eyes out of my head. Also his claims of phrase coining and connections, kekistan are just false
@@dtho6231 ya it was wrong
He also confused Perennial Traditionalism with Political Traditionalism
18:20 brain is analog, cpu is digital but can be programmed for analog comprehension.
Claiming that THIS VERSION of "accelerationsim" is from the book "Lord of Light" could only be said by someone who's never read it.
The social situation in which the hero of the novel advocates accelerationism bears no resemblance to Western society today.
The original video might be the worst interpretation of an idea from a novel I've heard in the past decade.
What's the situation in the book?
I never read it so I was happy to find a comment saying they read it
@@john42t I'm oversimplifying, but there is a "ruling elite" that is comprised of people who originally colonized a planet (perhaps a thousand years previously). They are virtually immortal because they can transfer their consciousness into a new body when one gets old. They have all our modern conveniences and live as gods (literally) - they also have various degrees of technologically enhanced super powers.
Then you have their descendants, who were set loose in the world, but not given any of the advantages of the ruling class. No education, no tools, etc. They live like medieval peasants. Not only that, but the "Gods" actively repress technological innovation. If someone invents a bicycle, they kill him and destroy the evidence, etc.
The hero of the book (Sam) wants to help the under classes. He feels deeply that it's wrong to keep these people in an eternal dark ages. He wants to help by not only allowing their own inventions to develop without reprisals, but he also wants to help them along by giving them technology - like electricity, indoor plumbing, and so forth.
He wants to "accelerate" the natural societal growth.
That's the novel's version of "accelerationism", poorly explained as best I can without writing too much.
@@MrVvulf Thanks, that's indeed very different.
Similarly to the fearmongering around it, the ones like the VC guy that completely dismiss the dangers of this progress are also ignorant. They're dismissing what a recursive exponential growth means, and how abstract and terrifying it actually can be. They also completely illegitimize fundamentals such as information-processing being one of the few axioms under which we define life (until we find better ones).
Not only that, they forget that AI does NOT have to be sentient in order to cause harm (realty check- it already can). Concepts such as "autistic" super AI exist just for this. They're the complete opposite of sentient super AI: performing a task without any consideration for the human nature, such that human livelihoods are harmed during the task.
The main engineers goal is to do nothing and allow machine do everything for you, that's a whole purpose of industrialization. Programs which writes programs will lead us to unknown. One bad prompt to such a AI could lead in a creation of AI which end the world as we know it. Lets say your prompt would say "Optimize yourself to achieve as many calculations as possible" could lead to AI which hacks computers in internet to get their resources, also becomes undeletable because part of AI would be in all corrupted computers. New found processing power could lead this AI to upgrade itself even more while it finds information about how to grow processing power across the world. This is just one example, which doesn't even involve military AI...
This line of reasoning skips so many crucial steps its down right laughable that it could ever come to pass
Posts like this make me realize how ignorant some people are of machine learning and ai technology, of what it can't and can't do, it's limitations, and most importantly how human dependant it is.
@@MECHanOkL you are talking about today I am talking about tomorrow. My logic works on goal of engendering your on todays reality. I agree that today it sounds absurd but you can't argue that this is the goal of engineering.
@@GiRR007 lol your crucial steps holds the most valuable goal of human history the prise worth the time and energy put in to it. It is just mater of time when this goal will be reached. You can say how hard it is but we as population have never been so close to it... I could bet any amount of money that singularity will be a heaved in 50 years if some kind of war won't stop it....
@@deividaszubLT yeah no shit weve never been closer to it thats hoe technology works XD
Any point during the present is closer to more advanced to advanced technology that the past, doesnt mean we are any where near close
For all we know its something that can NEVER be created.
"For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these. 4CHAN was right again"
man, the acceleratinism I know sounds so much simple than the video make it sound like.
instead of trying to stop something, you accelerate it's progress past a limit that allows it to exist, like stopping a train by forcing it out of the tracks cuz it was going to fast or making your opponent fall in jiu jitsu by redirecting his movement to a position that throws off his balance. that's what I've learned about acceleratinism through the years, you destroy something by forcing it too much
yah the video goes "too deep" to the point it probably confuses people, the gist of it is just, if you cant stop something, make it go faster so its over sooner
5:20 - Like the Infinite Tsukuyomi
Shout out to McDonald being both ignorant of AI and also obviously terrified of it.
Corporatism is not Capitalism.
Ai taking over or exterminating humanity is actually quite the interesting rabbit hole. In theory it's absolutely possible through machine learning, and designing a program that iterates on itself. in other words, creating a program that can create more, improved versions of itself endlessly. With the current level of technology its impossible, but the theory already exists, we're just held back by the hardware.
Any reference to such a theory?
@@RGLG4life A manga called Blame!. It isnt the exact same, but it involves a giant computer building upon previous layers of a structure to become infinitely more complex as time goes on, because it has no end to its resources. It could create anything ever dreamed or thought of, and things even after that, because of the infinite iterative cycle. Pretty much the same thing, but with abstract construction instead of self improvement.
15:12 he finally realized that L is for Losers
*McCool:* _"If you believe in AI being able to become some kind of sentient being that tries to kill you then you are completely out of your mind, and I don't know what to tell you. This is why MJ should be banned everywhere."_
*Elon Musk on AI:* _"I'm increasingly inclined to think that there should be some regulatory oversight, maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish.”_
Musk is a big player in AI, mostly due to his car business. Elon described Tesla as the world's biggest robotics company. Even last year at their company "AI Day" he stated, "Our cars are semi-sentient robots on wheels." He also announced plans to build a prototype robot sometime in 2022. The robot, he said, is intended to be friendly, and to eliminate "dangerous, repetitive, and boring tasks." He said he'd make the robot slow enough to run away from, and weak enough to overpower.
So McCool, I suppose you know more about this than the richest man on the planet who happens to also be heavily intertwined with the AI industry?
Musk also smokes weed lol
Elon Musk is a vaporware salesman. He is essentially a useless hack who bought the right projects and marketed them well. Every claim he makes he never comes close to, every idea he has is unrealistic and flawed. He hasn't made spaceflight significantly cheaper with SpaceX (infact leaked emails showed that they were going to go bankrupt if it wasn't for a contract to design an engine for NASA). His cars are nowhere near self driving. Starlink is a ridiculous larp with the technology we have.
OH and the hyperloop. HA
He didn't start Tesla, he didn't start AOL.
Elon Musk says a lot of garbage and describing his car as semi-sentient is one of them. I agree with him that we need oversight on AI though. It's irrelevant if you believe technological sentience is possible or not because either way AI has the potential to cause a lot of damage
Bro debunking McConnell's point using Elon Musk is just, idk what to say.
Sentience is already hard to define. We can't even define it properly ourselves. How could we decide that a machine is sentient, when we aren't even sure that some bugs are sentient?
I dont have a mouth and I must scream
Love how McConnell thinks shouting his opinions with absolutely no objective points makes his argument valid. Saying "you're stupid for thinking this" doesn't do anything to convince people of your viewpoint. I cringe every time he chimes into these streams just to hear himself speak.
Hard agree. He never contributes anything of substance, just complains.
McConnell says we are clueless, and google has a sentient AI
Three feet on the gas 👌
ngl, I kinda wanna live in this dystopia.
McConnel's confidence regardless of how little he knows or understands, is always hilarious.
Watching people who just scream about videogames for a living step out of that box into serious stuff is always entertaining.
Also looks like phillion has a left-wing bias. He completely glosses over L/acc. "oh yea they just want UBI anyway look how crazy the right wing is" Calling that podcast "hard to get through" is hilarious. Why do normies insist on trying to cover subjects they are woefully ill-equipped to parse?
Exactly what I was going to say.
1:48 - This is the kinda guy they call when they want that years Bohemian Grove party to be extra cool xD
If anyone here wants to go down a REAL rabbit hole of accelerationism, try reading into the Order of Nine Angles or O9A.
If you want some insider search terms, here you go: 'Lux Lycaonis', 'Rounwytha', 'Anton Long', 'Tempel ov Blood', 'Nexion'
McConnell really showing how he knows nothing about this topic lol. Once you have an AI that can think for itself it is not even close to limited to human knowledge it will do millions of years worth of research in literal weeks as computers can do calculations that we cannot.
Excited to see all the 4-chan inçels obfuscating and denying this actually happens, like with the BAYC video.
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I was thinking the same thing, brother!
learn new words.
@@xspartan346x
Stay triggered
The singularity for AI is something that may never happen, if you think of it as function.
In order for it to happen it no longer should be the result of the expression, but become the expression itself.
The guy who has credit for coining the term "red pill" in 2009 is the equivalent of Al Gore single handily inventing the internet.
They said he got it from the matrix. Where did it come from then?
@@Sephaizen Reminds me of Alice in Wonderland
@@Sephaizen My brain almost fell through reality itself pondering the answer to your question.
I work in IT: we are still *absolutely* in an era where people cover their webcams, to the point where laptops we send out to the field, that already have privacy shutters for the webcams built into them - and thus absolutely don't need to be covered over with tape, because you can just slide the shutter closed - are still coming back in for re-assignment/service with black electrical tape covering the webcams.
Phillion aka bluenon. calls capatilism bad proceeds to shamelessly shill his sponsors...such is the time we live
lol ya he got info wrong to Curtis Yarvin is a monarchist lol.
@@oldmanskin8554 his viewers dont care if it sounds like it can be true. They wont do their own research
@@JT-91 I wish u were wrong