@@therainmakerinsider Florida has 12,877 megawatts of solar electric capacity, which is enough to power nearly 1.5 million homes with solar panels. In 2023, Florida became the top state for solar installations, adding more power than any other state.
Of course solar is gonna be more expensive. The PUC Is working with the power company. SDG&E Wants to gouge the people for as much as they can it's obvious.
People will regret the roof damage from having solar installed on their roof. Could not believe they were walking all over and installing penetrations on that beautiful tiled roof.
MA has one of the best solar policies. Net metering credits your grid electric account for pretty much full retail value with no cap. I've been using solar since Aug. '17, haven't paid the grid directly since March '18 and am currently sitting on $900 credit, which will be eaten into from now until March. Starting in March, the credits will build up again through Sept. and go well over $1,300 by that time. I feel badly for folks in CA who went solar only to have the rules changed on them after the installation. Best to get as much battery backup as you can to keep that energy for yourself and not give it to the grid as well as being charged an automatic monthly user fee. On that, in MA (at least my grid provider) only charges $10 a month for every customer.
This was predictable as more people get solar panels. Eventually, there will be few, if any, incentives. Heck, it might even cost more for some. Eventually, only way to truly save will be solar backed with batteries. Even then, utilities have a minimum charge that will likely increase considerably. Going totally off-grid is often not feasible due to local and state regulations.
It will end up with everyone having batteries and using solar and batteries as their primary source of power and only feeding into the grid after their batteries are fully charged.
How much the cost of the install must be added to the total bill. 7 years at California rates is about 450 a month payment with no battery system. Then a power bill of 100 to PGE. You save nothing for 7 years. I’m not against solar but way to expensive.
I’m a Solar Consultant in California. Battery backup is the way to go. Every system we build in California includes a battery. Once we take a look at a bill and get usage information we can build a system that saves the customer money now and in the long term. The 30% federal tax credit is still in effect.
No. So you're saying that instead of the companies spending more money to store electricity on batteries, now they want us to pay for that?! No. Buying a new home and already investing I was thinking in spending and putting it in the S&P 500.
its not even worth it to go Solar in california since new law called NEM 3.0 which means if you buy power from your utility company at 0.20 cents after having solar if you sell them same amount of power they will only give you 0.05 cents so pretty a quarter on a dollar before april 2023 it used to be 1 to 1 ratio and loan being so high regardless of your good credit not worth it maybe in the future. and the solar companies sell you $20-25K worth of battery with only 10 year warranty sucky thing is if you really want solar in california right now you have to get battery to run your home in situation when there is no sun just so you can save some money. over all pretty crappy deal if you live in california no matter who you go with SunPower Tesla Sunrun ADT Solar etc. Not to mention your Roof will have so many holes and shit not even funny.
I was thinking something along those lines. I don't know about anything from Tesla, cause Billionaire boy is such a cunt. But I guess I'd use it if it worked the best out of all options. Maybe someone there did some good innovation. Thanks for bringing this up. I'll Google.
Dang, 12k is steep, but they last 20 to 25 years. If I was in that position financially, I'd fork over cash to give the middle finger to power companies. That thing is cool. As long as he doesn't start blurting out the n-word or something, it's a go! (Theoretically. my financial situation couldn't be farther from that. a guy can dream, though.)
@@seancallahan1312 Yea its expensive now, but improved battery technology will make it cheaper in the future. Hopefully we can all give the middle finger to the electric companies soon.
Sdge has increased distribution costs because they haven't been making enough off generation. So eventually we will have "just connected to the grid fee"
Even compared to expensive countries like Germany...the new regulations within California are heavy stuff. We pay 35-40 €Cent/kWh (actual average)..and get 8,2 €Cent/kWh payment, if charged into the grid. Even with this "payment", you have to optimize/tune your solar system for direct use of your generated energy, cause you don't really create ROS with 8,2€Cent /kWh. Down to 4 $Cent payment for each kWh is like giving gifts to your energy provider....
It's down to simple facts that adding more and more solar to the grid reduces the feed in tariff drastically. Without storage solar is burden on the grid which has to be balanced for every moment, generation has to be equal to consumption. High feed in tariffs for solar make every else paying for the grid that does not have solar, it is simply not fair. PV and wind only replace kWh of conventional generation, but not kW of installed capacity of installed generation. Going nuclear to a huge proportion is the only way of a sustainable way to decarbonize the grid.
Had solar ontop of 5 br 3 bath , central air/ heat log home IN MAINE for over 15 years. 2 on top of 3 car garage 7 years, one smaller one on greenhouse... Not one problem and very happy. When power outages happen due to storms, we are very toasty.
It was inevitable that 1 for 1 tradeoff would be finished but the drop is huge. There must be a huge amount of solar being dumped on the grid. Time to get batteries.
Depends where you live and how much your electricity cost. Where I live, it's .10 per KWh 24/7. I enquired to my utility provider about installing solar panels and what their policy was. If they had net metering. There answer. If you place grid solar panels on your home, they will charge you a surcharge monthly to be grid tied. No net metering, no net nothing, you pay them. Oh well, forget that idea. LOL
If you are paying 10 cents per KWh, why would you want to install solar panels? As for net metering, why should the utility pay you retail price for electricity when they can get it at wholesale cost elsewhere?
@@MadnessMotorcycle Solar panels in my area are really not cost effective. The ROI is 15+ years. Not doable. With the price of everything going up, I am entertaining ideas for future proof. My biggest ticket item is heat & air. I have a GSHP and it's a whole lot cheaper to run then the traditional HVAC. However, there is always room for energy cost improvements.
“....or a facility like this..”. Yeah, that adds all that overhead cost to your customers’ cost of installation. Where materials are stored is not the measure of your company.
If they keep ducking around....they gonna find tf out, people are getting fed up with these blatant thieves in both corporations and politics, it's to no one surprise SOOOOO many are leaving California and yet ewsom wonders why
Wow what a ripoff Who’s coming up with those ideas or rules they should be fierend This won’t incurred people to go solar more then what the need for them self
Energy Supply buy power whole sale, contract 24/7. Why Must buy from public at noon ,this is not free market ? Owners can store energy himself or accept price offered , when is low demand . Solar panel makes sense on fur trappers hut, he can charge laptop and apply for welfare on line . Electricity bill has 2 parts : Usage kWh and Delivery / 50%/ that means when power grid is use for in /out you will charge even if you make 100 % all electricity from panels and when to sell and then buy back own staff the price would be same /laundry money isn't free/
Finally a good decision by the CPUC. Current net metering rules, as the solar guy indicates are ridiculously high at 25cents. Solar customers don’t avoid distribution or transmission costs, yet the current full retail rate credit assumes you do. Result is higher income solar customers get a big subsidy from lower income customers. It’s an unfair regressive policy. the 4 cents is compensating the solar customer for the costs that are actually avoided by use of their solar facility. net energy metering at the full retail rate has been the CPUC’s version of bailouts for depositors with more than $250k. More subsidy for the rich and entitled from lower income and working class
So it's a cornhole??? And just why is that?? Monopoly being threatened with their bond market?? Folks should be in the street over this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now it makes no sense to send power to the grid. Makes more sense to get batteries with solar and go off grid.
Push for Solar then make it hard to get it.. im so sick of CA and there bs.
That’s funny since Florida makes Solar illegal.
@@therainmakerinsider no they dont its legal there idk why youd say that
@@therainmakerinsider Florida has 12,877 megawatts of solar electric capacity, which is enough to power nearly 1.5 million homes with solar panels. In 2023, Florida became the top state for solar installations, adding more power than any other state.
Net metering is a ripoff. Just get batteries, so you can store the extra energy and use it at night.
It's time we had a discussion about how PUC members get their seats.
Crooks
The PUC never met a rate hike that they didn’t approve!
Cpuc and SCE are in cohoots to rip off californians.
Appointed by the Governor.
Of course solar is gonna be more expensive. The PUC Is working with the power company. SDG&E Wants to gouge the people for as much as they can it's obvious.
People will regret the roof damage from having solar installed on their roof. Could not believe they were walking all over and installing penetrations on that beautiful tiled roof.
I was just going to say the same thing....PLUS you ruined the look of the house. HaHa.
And all those panels end up in landfills when they age out…no thanks…
MA has one of the best solar policies.
Net metering credits your grid electric account for pretty much full retail value with no cap.
I've been using solar since Aug. '17, haven't paid the grid directly since March '18 and am currently sitting on $900 credit, which will be eaten into from now until March. Starting in March, the credits will build up again through Sept. and go well over $1,300 by that time.
I feel badly for folks in CA who went solar only to have the rules changed on them after the installation.
Best to get as much battery backup as you can to keep that energy for yourself and not give it to the grid as well as being charged an automatic monthly user fee.
On that, in MA (at least my grid provider) only charges $10 a month for every customer.
All these solar companies are about to go out of business.
This is robbery
not really, the truth is your energy isn't worth very much at the point everyone is exporting.
This was predictable as more people get solar panels. Eventually, there will be few, if any, incentives. Heck, it might even cost more for some. Eventually, only way to truly save will be solar backed with batteries. Even then, utilities have a minimum charge that will likely increase considerably. Going totally off-grid is often not feasible due to local and state regulations.
It will end up with everyone having batteries and using solar and batteries as their primary source of power and only feeding into the grid after their batteries are fully charged.
How much the cost of the install must be added to the total bill. 7 years at California rates is about 450 a month payment with no battery system. Then a power bill of 100 to PGE. You save nothing for 7 years. I’m not against solar but way to expensive.
The same in my state. So i decided to just keep my extra energy and have a battery backup that holds total energy use for the house.
I’m a Solar Consultant in California. Battery backup is the way to go. Every system we build in California includes a battery. Once we take a look at a bill and get usage information we can build a system that saves the customer money now and in the long term. The 30% federal tax credit is still in effect.
No. So you're saying that instead of the companies spending more money to store electricity on batteries, now they want us to pay for that?! No. Buying a new home and already investing I was thinking in spending and putting it in the S&P 500.
its not even worth it to go Solar in california since new law called NEM 3.0 which means if you buy power from your utility company at 0.20 cents after having solar if you sell them same amount of power they will only give you 0.05 cents so pretty a quarter on a dollar before april 2023 it used to be 1 to 1 ratio and loan being so high regardless of your good credit not worth it maybe in the future. and the solar companies sell you $20-25K worth of battery with only 10 year warranty sucky thing is if you really want solar in california right now you have to get battery to run your home in situation when there is no sun just so you can save some money. over all pretty crappy deal if you live in california no matter who you go with SunPower Tesla Sunrun ADT Solar etc. Not to mention your Roof will have so many holes and shit not even funny.
The whole point is NOT to be connected to anyone, Unplug them and don’t ever send them back anything ever
I agree. If you have solar, you need to have batteries otherwise what is the point?
I guess the solution is to invest in a Tesla Power Wall and don’t back feed any energy to them.
I was thinking something along those lines. I don't know about anything from Tesla, cause Billionaire boy is such a cunt. But I guess I'd use it if it worked the best out of all options. Maybe someone there did some good innovation. Thanks for bringing this up. I'll Google.
Dang, 12k is steep, but they last 20 to 25 years. If I was in that position financially, I'd fork over cash to give the middle finger to power companies. That thing is cool. As long as he doesn't start blurting out the n-word or something, it's a go! (Theoretically. my financial situation couldn't be farther from that. a guy can dream, though.)
@@seancallahan1312 Yea its expensive now, but improved battery technology will make it cheaper in the future. Hopefully we can all give the middle finger to the electric companies soon.
Sdge has increased distribution costs because they haven't been making enough off generation. So eventually we will have "just connected to the grid fee"
Good for people not using SDG&E.. meaning to get the most out of that deal is not to have your house on the grid to start.
Even compared to expensive countries like Germany...the new regulations within California are heavy stuff.
We pay 35-40 €Cent/kWh (actual average)..and get 8,2 €Cent/kWh payment, if charged into the grid.
Even with this "payment", you have to optimize/tune your solar system for direct use of your generated energy, cause you don't really create ROS with 8,2€Cent /kWh.
Down to 4 $Cent payment for each kWh is like giving gifts to your energy provider....
It's down to simple facts that adding more and more solar to the grid reduces the feed in tariff drastically.
Without storage solar is burden on the grid which has to be balanced for every moment, generation has to be equal to consumption.
High feed in tariffs for solar make every else paying for the grid that does not have solar, it is simply not fair.
PV and wind only replace kWh of conventional generation, but not kW of installed capacity of installed generation.
Going nuclear to a huge proportion is the only way of a sustainable way to decarbonize the grid.
Had solar ontop of 5 br 3 bath , central air/ heat log home IN MAINE for over 15 years. 2 on top of 3 car garage 7 years, one smaller one on greenhouse... Not one problem and very happy. When power outages happen due to storms, we are very toasty.
Soon they will tax your solar.
Make everyone go to electric then make it more expensive, makes sense to me.
It was inevitable that 1 for 1 tradeoff would be finished but the drop is huge. There must be a huge amount of solar being dumped on the grid. Time to get batteries.
If I go solar it will be to cut the energy corporations out of the equation.
Ain’t Capitalism just great?
Once the panel breaks, do you need to reapply?
When the power company can get your power but not pay you for it...
Did I misunderstand the number crunching? $500 a month is $6,000 per year.
True too funny, that was 2nd grade math.
Business tricks?
It was just numbers to explain solar is expensive
Depends where you live and how much your electricity cost. Where I live, it's .10 per KWh 24/7. I enquired to my utility provider about installing solar panels and what their policy was. If they had net metering. There answer. If you place grid solar panels on your home, they will charge you a surcharge monthly to be grid tied. No net metering, no net nothing, you pay them. Oh well, forget that idea. LOL
If you are paying 10 cents per KWh, why would you want to install solar panels? As for net metering, why should the utility pay you retail price for electricity when they can get it at wholesale cost elsewhere?
@@MadnessMotorcycle Solar panels in my area are really not cost effective. The ROI is 15+ years. Not doable. With the price of everything going up, I am entertaining ideas for future proof. My biggest ticket item is heat & air. I have a GSHP and it's a whole lot cheaper to run then the traditional HVAC. However, there is always room for energy cost improvements.
I would not touch solor with a 10 foot pole.
“....or a facility like this..”. Yeah, that adds all that overhead cost to your customers’ cost of installation. Where materials are stored is not the measure of your company.
Prophet Paul Keith David said, "Government is taking away people's' rights."
Good job pushing your cult. Someone will be happy with you. (Not Teh Lordt, if he exists.)
It doesn't take a prophet to see how greed works in making their profit.
If they keep ducking around....they gonna find tf out, people are getting fed up with these blatant thieves in both corporations and politics, it's to no one surprise SOOOOO many are leaving California and yet ewsom wonders why
NEM 3.0 is not for all of California is for SDGE, PGE and SCE (San Diego, Bay Area and Orange County)
So 98% of people living in California
What are you trying to say?
2:30 He was about to tell us that he sells Tesla batteries, I can see Teslas’s distinctive logo, but they talked over him!
Sucks for the poor. They're poor and paying the most because they can't afford solar panels.
being poor is a decision.
@@kairoswave so is being a jerk, why do you choose to be a jerk?
@@kairoswave Since everything is a choice, why did you choose to have a baby dick?
No can't do this no more to tress for me to forward go had givi it way I don't need this job
Wow what a ripoff
Who’s coming up with those ideas or rules they should be fierend
This won’t incurred people to go solar more then what the need for them self
Did she say monthly @ $500 is $7,200 a year? That's some funny math 🙂
We will charge u 25cent per kwh but give u 4cents per kwh. Wtf Thats robbery.
My money it's right for me to forward or right bearimd me on grown
Energy Supply buy power whole sale, contract 24/7. Why Must buy from public at noon ,this is not free market ? Owners can store energy himself or accept price offered , when is low demand . Solar panel makes sense on fur trappers hut, he can charge laptop and apply for welfare on line . Electricity bill has 2 parts : Usage kWh and Delivery / 50%/ that means when power grid is use for in /out you will charge even if you make 100 % all electricity from panels and when to sell and then buy back own staff the price would be same /laundry money isn't free/
I plan on adding battery banks to my solar and having Edison pull there overpriced power off my property.
Total bullshit they did the same thing in Indiana.
Finally a good decision by the CPUC. Current net metering rules, as the solar guy indicates are ridiculously high at 25cents. Solar customers don’t avoid distribution or transmission costs, yet the current full retail rate credit assumes you do. Result is higher income solar customers get a big subsidy from lower income customers. It’s an unfair regressive policy. the 4 cents is compensating the solar customer for the costs that are actually avoided by use of their solar facility.
net energy metering at the full retail rate has been the CPUC’s version of bailouts for depositors with more than $250k. More subsidy for the rich and entitled from lower income and working class
Well said and true.
No it's ok go had bass it
So it's a cornhole??? And just why is that?? Monopoly being threatened with their bond market?? Folks should be in the street over this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No thonk u I'm not going to have this company to evil for me
I can't my mom can't help me to forward go had let kim take it
No this
Do not worry, the prices will go down soon.