There's so many existential threats in 40k that I end up feeling a bit numb. 30k is more focused and grounded - a single, epic conflict based on lies and mistakes that utterly breaks both sides and signals the death of hope. It feels like a fable rather than this episodic thing they're going for with 40k and I love it!
I'm wondering about the venn diagram of Heresy players. We are playing a game that is set in the far future but is essentially historical. In narrative games we set out in advance the two sides that were there. Heresy, rules-wise, is modified 7th edition 40k, but in attitude is more akin to Bolt Action or Black Powder. Some of us spend a lot of time trying to model and paint a force that is "lore accurate". Over time, I've drifted away from Fantasy (and never made the jump to Age of Sigmar) and lately 40k. Sold off most of my Fantasy stuff, but kept my Empire handgunners and artillery and rolled them into my Pike and Shotte forces. Do I have mk7 marines in my Heresy armies? Of course I do. My collection spans 26 years of collecting and I'm a hoarder, but my story I'll relate in a separate post. What I love the most is trying to recreate the battles I've read about in the books, so now that I've worked on Thousand Sons and Space Wolves, I'm tempted to start a Sons of Horus army and recreate the battle of Trisolian. I wanted to celebrate the launch of Heresy 2.0 by playing Prospero, Calth and Isstvan - campaigns that I had enough armies to supply my buddies. Life got in the way, but the excitement is that recreating ancient battles of the far future
Heresy is my first tabletop game ever, and as a new player I can confirm navigating the relationship between 40k and 30k was confusing at first. I knew 30k was before the current setting, but I had no idea why certain models don’t work for Heresy or what a Primaris was even. After doing my research though, I’m glad I went to Heresy first.
@@lostlegionspodcast3526I'm new to tabletop and Warhammer but I'm also starting with 30k. I just think the models are cooler and I've been told it's a less ultra competitive meta focused sweaty crowd( from what my friends tell me of 40k crowd)
Too late for the fabled Calth box set and too early for AoD, I largely built up my starting army (Salamanders) piecemeal over the course of a year leading up to my first gaming event in 2019, under the guidance and mentorship of a veteran member of the local HH community. I've spent a pretty penny on the collection in this manner, though it's fairly safe to say that spacing out your purchases is really important, especially if you want to have more units to choose from than you need. My own reason for getting into Horus Heresy stems from my interactions with said vet. At the time, I wasn't too fond of where GW was taking 40k, and Horus Heresy was (and still is) built around a rule set I'm much more familiar with. The emphasis of the game being pseudo-historical in nature was also a major selling point.
The army for horus heresy I really want to fully build the most is sisters of silence (praying gw gives them more love!) And I have Jenetia Krole and a Kharon Pattern Acquisitor. When I learned you could do that I was sold. Another reason I like it is I love the legions. After mulling it over I think I'm going to use my AoD box to build Space Wolves. I have world eaters in 40k and while a loyalist WE sounds fun I just love the vibe of Space Wolves. Plus I could maybe do a story campaign of the burning of prospero with my two armies!
For me it was when the Calth box came out. I bought it with the intention of making the Fallen formation for 40k (cypher and 3 squads of fallen). Then I said I might as well finish the rest of the stuff in the box. Then got a sicaran when I visited warhammer World and it spiralled from there 😆
If you're buying the AoD box pick up another contemptor box and a set of magnets. You'll get the extra chest plates for the basic contemptor in the big box and enough weapons to make both dreads flexible and useful.
Could you do an episode for people who have 40k armies but want to expand into heresy I'm working on a 40k Sons of Horus army and would like to know how to expand it into 30k
my chief reason to play heresy outside of lore and iconic battles that shaped the 40k universe (kinda not by releases) is...... drumroll i wanted to stop chasing the meta on 40k, its release schedule, its replacement of figures, its 4 year cycle on releasing the game, its constant rewriting and updating on codexes now is the time for me because previously forgewrold made it a costly affair, and forgeworlds sometimes questionable quality issues the releases in plastic and the potential of what's still come made it an attractive offer
Currently in the process of painting 7000points of Blood Angels as my first Heresy army. But I have always loved the lore of the Sisters of Silence, so I'm gonna do a smaller force of them as well. Though I want to ask your thoughts on the Sisters as a stand alone force, and what is a "must have" for them? And don't worry, I'm building the army even if they suck :D
A bit of a rough one, Honesly they dont really seem to be able to fully stand as an army alone but I have seen them be a great allied force. The Flying transport seems very good as well as the rules for the bikes. Although have not seen the bikes on the table. (Jason)
For me it would have to be marks of power armour. Mk7 was the most badass thing to 9 year old me when it was released, when I only had space crusade and a box of RTB01 Mk6. A decade later I found myself liking the refined plastic (Mk6/7) kits less and less, and was basically a warhammer fantasy player. I always liked the armour through the ages mini range, and when forge world started doing the badab war and released Mk 4/5/6 in resin I had to get some kits, but didn't really have a clear objective in mind so sat on them until the Horus heresy was released, Mk 2/3 came out, and warhammer fantasy catastrophically imploded gave me my motivation to start an age of darkness Thousand Sons army.
Ooooh good point! I still have loads of mk7, but I am loving stocking up on mk3s and 4s (and now 6). I would go mainly 3 and 4 except the special/heavy weapons are so much easier on 6, and with the growing pile of unassembled sprues, faster is better! How are the Sons of Magnus treating you?
I wanted to create a Spacewolves army because I wanted to learn to convert and sculpt. Started making an Army that can be played in 40k and 30k. Now I only play 30k because GW disallowed 30k units in 40k.
I'm beginning the video now, having very limited knowledge upon how Horus Heresy table top actually plays. from what I understand right now, its just a more intimidating 40k with more rules and complicated rolling for shooting and attacking generally. I personally feel a little intimidated by how the game seems to be, in all its complications and all but am trying to understand and hopefully play a game of Horus Heresy. the models for it also look far better than 40k do, in my opinion.
Gather around, young ones, and I'll tell you the tale of my journey into madness. In spring 1997 I was introduced to 2nd edition 40k, and in the Wargear Book there was a small blurb about how Sanguinius knowingly went to his death against Horus, but in so doing created the chink in Horus' armour that the Emperor could exploit to destroy Horus. I fell in love with it, and I believe the first model I ever purchased was Corbulo. As time went on, my interest turned towards the traitor legions the Imperial Guard. More drips of information came, and I devoured the Index Astartes articles from... 3rd edition? 4th? Then the Horus Heresy books dropped, and Forge World launched the Black Books. I bought book 1, Betrayal, and loved it. My regret is not having the money to continue collecting the books because they are gorgeous. I bought Angron on release - primarchs! I could own the primarchs! Then I read Know No Fear. What had been a hodge-podge collection of marines, where I collected crusading forces of multiple legions, suddenly and dramatically got reorganized and I had a few hundred Ultramarines. Now 2023, and where I started the year intent on working on my Blood Angels and Night Lords, now I find myself wanting to repurpose my 40k Crimson Fists into Heresy Imperial Fists and start a Sons of Horus army. To date, i have (in various states of assembly): Iron Warriors White Scars Space Wolves Night Lords Blood Angels World Eaters Ultramarines Death Guard Thousand Sons Word Bearers Salamanders Raven Guard Custodes Mechanicus Militia Daemons And love them all
@lostlegionspodcast3526 that was the last codex I had to hunt down to complete my collection of 2nd edition books. I think Codex Chaos is my favourite, but I love seeing them all together on my shelf. Picked up Dark Millenium about a decade ago, local store was going through their attic and found a couple dozen copies. $5 (Cdn) lol
The narrative nature of the game draws me at first. Challenges being a rule, and just the general rule of cool nature of the game. USR really do something different and they're not all just "+1 to wound" or "reroll all hits and wounds" there's actually a lot more expansive 'cool shit' that isn't just mathhammer. Second reason is the aesthetic. Lot of infantry in transports, tanks feeling like tanks with AV stats, blast and flamer templates, vehicle facings- I know that all really sounds like gameplay but for me these rules enhance the VISUAL aspect of playing the game. It plays more like a historical skirmish scenario and less like an abstraction of one. I think the last thing that really drew me in is actually feeling pushed out of 40k 😅. Between the constant hypocrisy of simplification of the Core ruleset yet complication of faction rules, the continued purge of rules support for your model collection and the new listbuilding getting more restrictive and less consistent in how you can actually build a list using your collection... I left card games and got into Wargaming because your investment into models goes a lot further, you feel safe investing money and time(!!!) into building units because you can still be using them 10 years from now... Well 40k in the last two editions has really made me second guess that security so now I'm unwilling to invest in anything new because of that instability. 30k ruleset seems quite stable in that regard so it's a better investment for my hobby time. I feel safe starting new projects knowing there's not another edition coming in 2 years that will invalidate my army before I've even finished it. Anyway, my 2 cents. I'm just here to declare challenges!
Why did I start an Horus Heresy army? Mainly I was tired of playing 40k where the whole game is based around the same terrain hiding you models behind the same ruins, playing a Rocks, papers scissors style game.
The #1 reason people can't get into heresy is that it's prohibitevely expensive. I know people with multiple 40k armies that just can't justify the price for a 30k one. Plus it's a lot harder to find players for it
For me it was Firstborn,hate those primaris abominations. Second reason is stability od rules od the system and no frequent updates. Third reason is there's no AoS weeboos heading this way. Yes,I do play Night Lords. And also DA,WE ,DG and Ultras
Heres how to get into 30k. Read the heresy books whilst playing 40k. 40k turns into a dumpster fire. Switch to 30k, realise your love of the books drives your passion for 30k immensely. Realise its a much better game than 40k and get lost in the heresy.
For me it was the lore, the color scheme/units, gameplay, constant rule changes/new codexs, too many different armies, STRATEGEMS, and most importantly my older stuff being sent to legends. I disliked that you had to trust your opponent not to lie to you about their units abilities and stats without looking at their codex every 5 minutes, and so many times I was lied to about an ability or how many wounds a thing actually had. The tons and tons of Gotcha strategems that completely ruined what you were doing. New codexes coming out and making them extremely overpowered and unbalanced. Lastly having so many of my favorite models be sent to legends was just sickening.
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What interested you to start Horus Heresy?
There's so many existential threats in 40k that I end up feeling a bit numb. 30k is more focused and grounded - a single, epic conflict based on lies and mistakes that utterly breaks both sides and signals the death of hope. It feels like a fable rather than this episodic thing they're going for with 40k and I love it!
I'm wondering about the venn diagram of Heresy players. We are playing a game that is set in the far future but is essentially historical. In narrative games we set out in advance the two sides that were there. Heresy, rules-wise, is modified 7th edition 40k, but in attitude is more akin to Bolt Action or Black Powder. Some of us spend a lot of time trying to model and paint a force that is "lore accurate".
Over time, I've drifted away from Fantasy (and never made the jump to Age of Sigmar) and lately 40k. Sold off most of my Fantasy stuff, but kept my Empire handgunners and artillery and rolled them into my Pike and Shotte forces. Do I have mk7 marines in my Heresy armies? Of course I do. My collection spans 26 years of collecting and I'm a hoarder, but my story I'll relate in a separate post. What I love the most is trying to recreate the battles I've read about in the books, so now that I've worked on Thousand Sons and Space Wolves, I'm tempted to start a Sons of Horus army and recreate the battle of Trisolian. I wanted to celebrate the launch of Heresy 2.0 by playing Prospero, Calth and Isstvan - campaigns that I had enough armies to supply my buddies. Life got in the way, but the excitement is that recreating ancient battles of the far future
Heresy is my first tabletop game ever, and as a new player I can confirm navigating the relationship between 40k and 30k was confusing at first. I knew 30k was before the current setting, but I had no idea why certain models don’t work for Heresy or what a Primaris was even. After doing my research though, I’m glad I went to Heresy first.
This is really interesting! I’d assume new players would go to 40k. Glad you’re enjoying 30k!!
@@lostlegionspodcast3526 Thank you! I thought the models just looked cooler honestly. Love y’all’s videos
@@lostlegionspodcast3526I'm new to tabletop and Warhammer but I'm also starting with 30k. I just think the models are cooler and I've been told it's a less ultra competitive meta focused sweaty crowd( from what my friends tell me of 40k crowd)
Too late for the fabled Calth box set and too early for AoD, I largely built up my starting army (Salamanders) piecemeal over the course of a year leading up to my first gaming event in 2019, under the guidance and mentorship of a veteran member of the local HH community. I've spent a pretty penny on the collection in this manner, though it's fairly safe to say that spacing out your purchases is really important, especially if you want to have more units to choose from than you need.
My own reason for getting into Horus Heresy stems from my interactions with said vet. At the time, I wasn't too fond of where GW was taking 40k, and Horus Heresy was (and still is) built around a rule set I'm much more familiar with. The emphasis of the game being pseudo-historical in nature was also a major selling point.
The army for horus heresy I really want to fully build the most is sisters of silence (praying gw gives them more love!) And I have Jenetia Krole and a Kharon Pattern Acquisitor. When I learned you could do that I was sold. Another reason I like it is I love the legions. After mulling it over I think I'm going to use my AoD box to build Space Wolves. I have world eaters in 40k and while a loyalist WE sounds fun I just love the vibe of Space Wolves. Plus I could maybe do a story campaign of the burning of prospero with my two armies!
For me it was when the Calth box came out. I bought it with the intention of making the Fallen formation for 40k (cypher and 3 squads of fallen). Then I said I might as well finish the rest of the stuff in the box. Then got a sicaran when I visited warhammer World and it spiralled from there 😆
If you're buying the AoD box pick up another contemptor box and a set of magnets. You'll get the extra chest plates for the basic contemptor in the big box and enough weapons to make both dreads flexible and useful.
If I want to get started death guard what should I get besides starter box ? I assume the book ?for the bad guys
Could you do an episode for people who have 40k armies but want to expand into heresy
I'm working on a 40k Sons of Horus army and would like to know how to expand it into 30k
my chief reason to play heresy outside of lore and iconic battles that shaped the 40k universe (kinda not by releases) is...... drumroll
i wanted to stop chasing the meta on 40k, its release schedule, its replacement of figures, its 4 year cycle on releasing the game, its constant rewriting and updating on codexes
now is the time for me because previously forgewrold made it a costly affair, and forgeworlds sometimes questionable quality issues
the releases in plastic and the potential of what's still come made it an attractive offer
Currently in the process of painting 7000points of Blood Angels as my first Heresy army. But I have always loved the lore of the Sisters of Silence, so I'm gonna do a smaller force of them as well. Though I want to ask your thoughts on the Sisters as a stand alone force, and what is a "must have" for them? And don't worry, I'm building the army even if they suck :D
A bit of a rough one, Honesly they dont really seem to be able to fully stand as an army alone but I have seen them be a great allied force. The Flying transport seems very good as well as the rules for the bikes. Although have not seen the bikes on the table. (Jason)
For me it would have to be marks of power armour. Mk7 was the most badass thing to 9 year old me when it was released, when I only had space crusade and a box of RTB01 Mk6. A decade later I found myself liking the refined plastic (Mk6/7) kits less and less, and was basically a warhammer fantasy player. I always liked the armour through the ages mini range, and when forge world started doing the badab war and released Mk 4/5/6 in resin I had to get some kits, but didn't really have a clear objective in mind so sat on them until the Horus heresy was released, Mk 2/3 came out, and warhammer fantasy catastrophically imploded gave me my motivation to start an age of darkness Thousand Sons army.
Ooooh good point! I still have loads of mk7, but I am loving stocking up on mk3s and 4s (and now 6). I would go mainly 3 and 4 except the special/heavy weapons are so much easier on 6, and with the growing pile of unassembled sprues, faster is better!
How are the Sons of Magnus treating you?
@@LordGrantius The new plastic mk3 works pretty good with the plastic weapon packs. Though the lascannons has some poses that are a little tricky
@@rod.h8064 awesome, thanks for the info!
I wanted to create a Spacewolves army because I wanted to learn to convert and sculpt. Started making an Army that can be played in 40k and 30k. Now I only play 30k because GW disallowed 30k units in 40k.
I'm beginning the video now, having very limited knowledge upon how Horus Heresy table top actually plays.
from what I understand right now, its just a more intimidating 40k with more rules and complicated rolling for shooting and attacking generally.
I personally feel a little intimidated by how the game seems to be, in all its complications and all but am trying to understand and hopefully play a game of Horus Heresy.
the models for it also look far better than 40k do, in my opinion.
Gather around, young ones, and I'll tell you the tale of my journey into madness.
In spring 1997 I was introduced to 2nd edition 40k, and in the Wargear Book there was a small blurb about how Sanguinius knowingly went to his death against Horus, but in so doing created the chink in Horus' armour that the Emperor could exploit to destroy Horus. I fell in love with it, and I believe the first model I ever purchased was Corbulo. As time went on, my interest turned towards the traitor legions the Imperial Guard. More drips of information came, and I devoured the Index Astartes articles from... 3rd edition? 4th?
Then the Horus Heresy books dropped, and Forge World launched the Black Books. I bought book 1, Betrayal, and loved it. My regret is not having the money to continue collecting the books because they are gorgeous. I bought Angron on release - primarchs! I could own the primarchs!
Then I read Know No Fear.
What had been a hodge-podge collection of marines, where I collected crusading forces of multiple legions, suddenly and dramatically got reorganized and I had a few hundred Ultramarines.
Now 2023, and where I started the year intent on working on my Blood Angels and Night Lords, now I find myself wanting to repurpose my 40k Crimson Fists into Heresy Imperial Fists and start a Sons of Horus army. To date, i have (in various states of assembly):
Iron Warriors
White Scars
Space Wolves
Night Lords
Blood Angels
World Eaters
Ultramarines
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Word Bearers
Salamanders
Raven Guard
Custodes
Mechanicus
Militia
Daemons
And love them all
Awesome !
I Kind of had a similar experience with the fluff and blood angels was my first army back with the Angels of Death codex. (Jason)
@lostlegionspodcast3526 that was the last codex I had to hunt down to complete my collection of 2nd edition books. I think Codex Chaos is my favourite, but I love seeing them all together on my shelf. Picked up Dark Millenium about a decade ago, local store was going through their attic and found a couple dozen copies. $5 (Cdn) lol
When the mk III came out in resin, :swoon:
The narrative nature of the game draws me at first. Challenges being a rule, and just the general rule of cool nature of the game. USR really do something different and they're not all just "+1 to wound" or "reroll all hits and wounds" there's actually a lot more expansive 'cool shit' that isn't just mathhammer.
Second reason is the aesthetic. Lot of infantry in transports, tanks feeling like tanks with AV stats, blast and flamer templates, vehicle facings- I know that all really sounds like gameplay but for me these rules enhance the VISUAL aspect of playing the game. It plays more like a historical skirmish scenario and less like an abstraction of one.
I think the last thing that really drew me in is actually feeling pushed out of 40k 😅. Between the constant hypocrisy of simplification of the Core ruleset yet complication of faction rules, the continued purge of rules support for your model collection and the new listbuilding getting more restrictive and less consistent in how you can actually build a list using your collection... I left card games and got into Wargaming because your investment into models goes a lot further, you feel safe investing money and time(!!!) into building units because you can still be using them 10 years from now... Well 40k in the last two editions has really made me second guess that security so now I'm unwilling to invest in anything new because of that instability. 30k ruleset seems quite stable in that regard so it's a better investment for my hobby time. I feel safe starting new projects knowing there's not another edition coming in 2 years that will invalidate my army before I've even finished it.
Anyway, my 2 cents. I'm just here to declare challenges!
Why did I start an Horus Heresy army? Mainly I was tired of playing 40k where the whole game is based around the same terrain hiding you models behind the same ruins, playing a Rocks, papers scissors style game.
I tried three games of 40k, realized it is a poorly designed game, looked for an alternative.
I started HH because i didnt like the way fluff went since 2017. HH fluff is still written like the old fluff before 2010 so i feel at home.
Long live slugo, great stuff 😂
SLUGGO FOREVER !
The #1 reason people can't get into heresy is that it's prohibitevely expensive. I know people with multiple 40k armies that just can't justify the price for a 30k one. Plus it's a lot harder to find players for it
Have you guys considered also making battle reports? Lack of 30k bat reps on RUclips:)
For me it was Firstborn,hate those primaris abominations. Second reason is stability od rules od the system and no frequent updates. Third reason is there's no AoS weeboos heading this way. Yes,I do play Night Lords. And also DA,WE ,DG and Ultras
30k = the heresy right?
Models are cheaper and I like the more serious aesthetic
WHY did I start collecting ? Oh boy. Plastic, resin recasts, 3D prints... I'm still wondering why and it's only been a year XD
haha good to hear!
Heres how to get into 30k. Read the heresy books whilst playing 40k. 40k turns into a dumpster fire. Switch to 30k, realise your love of the books drives your passion for 30k immensely. Realise its a much better game than 40k and get lost in the heresy.
The best reason: It's not based on the dumbed down 8th, 9th, or 10th edition rules.
For me it was the lore, the color scheme/units, gameplay, constant rule changes/new codexs, too many different armies, STRATEGEMS, and most importantly my older stuff being sent to legends.
I disliked that you had to trust your opponent not to lie to you about their units abilities and stats without looking at their codex every 5 minutes, and so many times I was lied to about an ability or how many wounds a thing actually had. The tons and tons of Gotcha strategems that completely ruined what you were doing. New codexes coming out and making them extremely overpowered and unbalanced. Lastly having so many of my favorite models be sent to legends was just sickening.