Many years ago, (my best friend growing up in Texas), Lyle Shelton parked a wrecked airplane (that he he had found and bought,) beside my house, for about a week.He was transported most of it back to California. It became Rare Bear.
This happens more than most people realize. It is just raw fuel that is burning in the exhaust manifold. These engines are primed (fuel pumped into cylinders) before starting and it just received a little bit much that ended up in the exhaust manifold. Even your airliners do this from time to time.
@@maebnus46 Actually, turbofan aircraft engines can do this also. If you are ever working on an aircraft ramp and see an airliner starting engines and there is a mist coming from the rear of the engine before the igniters are lit, you don't want to be behind them. When the igniters are actuated, there can be flames shoot out the rear of the engine burning the fuel that was misted into the air with a boom.
She is a beauty, was lucky enough to go mid-90's, Rare Bear, Lefty Gardner and White Lightnin'. Rare Bear still had the gold and white paint job. couldn't stop watching
exactly, also keep in mind on most aircraft engines like this they dont come with a muffler and usualy the pipes are only a few inches to a few feet long, especually with old ww2 fighter planes like a mustang where the pipes are what, 3 inches long, so if you over prime, you will see flame!
Reno is at ground level, but WW2 fighters like the Bearcat were designed to fly their fastest at about 30,000 feet, for dogfighting and to escort bombers. So what top speed would Rare Bear be able to reach at 30,000 feet, a/ if no adjustments were made to its current engine and b/ if it were adjusted to give its best at 30,000 feet?
The bearcat was designed to fight at lower altitudes, hence the single stage supercharger. But this aircraft in particular uses another engine, it's completely different, but i would say in order to reduce weight and achieve it's maximum speed, they also didnt use a second stage supercharger for high altitudes.
@luto2000 It really depends on the propeller that they are running. For the most part the aircraft dont really turn that well at race speeds. Its almost like they are sliding, or drifting (like a race car) through the turns
I was standing in this exact same spot watching this. Glad somebody caught this video. I watched the fire as John just kept cranking. Otherwise they would have missed that race and lost the whole show. I always wondered if this fire damaged the bondo on the cowl that came off on the Sunday gold and was ingested through the motor, etc.
This video is misconstrued, fire at the stacks are normal. It was just pumping rich until a cylinder caught. There was no danger to the aircraft or the pilot. If he would have stopped the fire you saw would have had no fuel I am part owner of this aircraft. Nice shots though, oh by the way my part was $5.00 I gave to help keep her in the air.
that was just unburned fuel in the manifold. Also, it is better to keep trying to start the engine after it catches fire so that you can suck the flames back into the cylinder
The fastest most dangerous motorsport in the world. I went one year in the late seventies and witnessed 2 pilots die in an AT6 race. It was awful!!. These pilots really hang it out there. GUTS!!
@elroto yup. seen this on some old warbirds. i was rather afraid . 1 for the plane. 2 for the people inside plane etc. but this was explained to me. cannot remember the term for it though
They are ending it in Reno, NV due to the population of the area. Not so much how dangerous it is. They might say it's because the air race's. How ever it's really on the population growth they had in the recent years.
not on fire its excess fuel burning off that has been ejected from the engine not starting into the exhaust and ignited procedure it to keep cranking like he does and once she fires it all goes out i believe if it still would not start they turn the fuel off and keep cranking till flames dye out.
Just AWWWWWSUMMM !! Born in the USA ?? I wish, ......... big planes, big trucks, big country, BIG fun....here in the UK we're bogged down by that much red tape , rules and regs it's pathetic.
Many years ago, (my best friend growing up in Texas), Lyle Shelton parked a wrecked airplane (that he he had found and bought,) beside my house, for about a week.He was transported most of it back to California. It became Rare Bear.
It's not a Sea Fury. It's a highly modified F8F Bearcat, that's why the name of it is "RareBear"
Bee bee beep beeeeppp!
Rare Bear: *BRAWW BRAWWWPP BBRRRAAAAAWWW* _I CAN'T HEAR YOU LITTLE CHEVY!!_
Hahhaahha
Hahahaha
This happens more than most people realize. It is just raw fuel that is burning in the exhaust manifold. These engines are primed (fuel pumped into cylinders) before starting and it just received a little bit much that ended up in the exhaust manifold. Even your airliners do this from time to time.
Your from years ago, airliners today don't use reciprocating engines like the 3350 in Rare Bear
@@maebnus46 Actually, turbofan aircraft engines can do this also. If you are ever working on an aircraft ramp and see an airliner starting engines and there is a mist coming from the rear of the engine before the igniters are lit, you don't want to be behind them. When the igniters are actuated, there can be flames shoot out the rear of the engine burning the fuel that was misted into the air with a boom.
That's 4000+ horsepower on that plane!!! Man that plane ROCKS at Reno, the crowd's (and my) favourite!!!
That's why in the old Navy flight deck crewman stood by with a fire extinguisher when these radial engines started up.
Not on fire just overprimed
Rare Bear is truly a BEAST! But, a beautiful one! I long to hit Reno for this some day and envy those that have witnessed it.
She is a beauty, was lucky enough to go mid-90's, Rare Bear, Lefty Gardner and White Lightnin'. Rare Bear still had the gold and white paint job. couldn't stop watching
exactly, also keep in mind on most aircraft engines like this they dont come with a muffler and usualy the pipes are only a few inches to a few feet long, especually with old ww2 fighter planes like a mustang where the pipes are what, 3 inches long, so if you over prime, you will see flame!
that motor sounds soooo cool!
Reno is at ground level, but WW2 fighters like the Bearcat were designed to fly their fastest at about 30,000 feet, for dogfighting and to escort bombers. So what top speed would Rare Bear be able to reach at 30,000 feet, a/ if no adjustments were made to its current engine and b/ if it were adjusted to give its best at 30,000 feet?
The bearcat was designed to fight at lower altitudes, hence the single stage supercharger. But this aircraft in particular uses another engine, it's completely different, but i would say in order to reduce weight and achieve it's maximum speed, they also didnt use a second stage supercharger for high altitudes.
@@arthurferreira1462 Thanks, a good answer. Can anyone else add anything?
This was the first time for me at Reno and the first time to use the video camera.It is just a great experience
Wow! Pretty cool! Way to keep cranking till startup.
That's SOP for "engine fire", keep cranking while you cut off fuel and such. This was not an engine fire though, just too much fuel.
Those two guys standing on either side of the plane with fire extinguishers obviously knew it wasn't a big deal.
Stack fires happen quite frequently on radials... not a big deal as long as the pilot keeps cranking, and the engine starts.
This plane is a modified Bearcat
This is a cool pilot
John Penny, who is a airline pilot, is typically the pilot of choice.
@luto2000 It really depends on the propeller that they are running. For the most part the aircraft dont really turn that well at race speeds. Its almost like they are sliding, or drifting (like a race car) through the turns
I was standing in this exact same spot watching this. Glad somebody caught this video. I watched the fire as John just kept cranking.
Otherwise they would have missed that race and lost the whole show.
I always wondered if this fire damaged the bondo on the cowl that came off on the Sunday gold and was ingested through the motor, etc.
ya i love reno the bear is a monster
The planes always on fire The Bear Rocks....
damn i love the bearcat, that fire scared the shit outta me.
why happens almost every start.
Fuel and oil in the stacks burns off on start
Chusbsbagoo, wou're absolutely right, finally someone that knows what has talking about....
Bearcat but not your average Bearcat.
Wow. What a beast of an airplane.
This video is misconstrued, fire at the stacks are normal. It was just pumping rich until a cylinder caught. There was no danger to the aircraft or the pilot. If he would have stopped the fire you saw would have had no fuel I am part owner of this aircraft. Nice shots though, oh by the way my part was $5.00 I gave to help keep her in the air.
That's 3000 fricking horse power boys and girls!!
As soon as he got it started it would go out. What's the bug deal?
that prop....is huge.....
The pilot did the right thing .Just started it
that was just unburned fuel in the manifold. Also, it is better to keep trying to start the engine after it catches fire so that you can suck the flames back into the cylinder
in aviation,,the difference between men and boys,,,is the size of the fire you have prior to your engine starting,,,,!!!!!
Whoa I never seen the rare bear racer on fire before looks like he's trying to struggles to start the engine
Just raw fuel in the exhaust pipes. Starting it blew it all out.
A little rich on the startup, any longer and the fire crew would have to get to work!
Supposedly 15" cut off each wing. Looks like 3'
RIP Lyle Shelton RIP Pete Harris.
Man, they have really clipped them wings!
Skiiwa it doesn’t need to carry 3000 lbs of ordinance anymore.
Rare Bear's daddy should stop feeding her hot curry. She made a burp and look what happened!!!
Definitely I don't think Rearbear likes curry
The fastest most dangerous motorsport in the world. I went one year in the late seventies and witnessed 2 pilots die in an AT6 race. It was awful!!. These pilots really hang it out there. GUTS!!
Does the front of the fuselage need a new paint job after that?
Well it certainly isn't a Spad...
That's enough to mess up the paintjob.😮
@elroto yup. seen this on some old warbirds. i was rather afraid . 1 for the plane. 2 for the people inside plane etc. but this was explained to me. cannot remember the term for it though
Typically called a stack fire or wet start.
what. a. beast..!
do you people not notice the video camera trained on the exhaust stacks to the left of the plane?
WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO HOLD A CAMERA STILL.
Oh yeah modified....R2800 replaced with a modified R3350 and a "Warp Core", plus a couple of feet clipped off the wings and more!
beautiful
To Polybun: Have a good reason for that statement??
come one rare bear... come on rare bear.. get up.. get up
rare bear: WWWAAAAAAHHHHH IIIIMM UPPPP!
They are ending it in Reno, NV due to the population of the area. Not so much how dangerous it is. They might say it's because the air race's. How ever it's really on the population growth they had in the recent years.
not on fire its excess fuel burning off that has been ejected from the engine not starting into the exhaust and ignited procedure it to keep cranking like he does and once she fires it all goes out i believe if it still would not start they turn the fuel off and keep cranking till flames dye out.
Yep you're right....a little too much prime, but when she fires flames go bye bye. Then a paint touch up.
Just AWWWWWSUMMM !! Born in the USA ?? I wish, ......... big planes, big trucks, big country, BIG fun....here in the UK we're bogged down by that much red tape , rules and regs it's pathetic.
My Deawoo Matiz does that...
its cleaner then just oil witch is what normaly pisses out
are left turning tendencies really bad on these? :P
how much power is that making?
You haven't spent much time around radial engines have you.
I would like to see the footage the cameraman on the left wing took.
She is not happy there... Not running right.... Bear needs to be back in the air......
It's classified.
Very dangerous. They should have called the fire department and doused the aircraft with water for at least 10 minutes.
@chubsmagoo
I understood him perfectly...
Hmmm... water on a fuel fire...
Not on fire either. Just some collected fuel burning off
what kind of plane is this, is this a sea fury it looks like one
Looks like it. For racing usually now fitted with a P&W or Wright engine fitted as spares for the Bristol are more of an issue.
Grumman F8F Bearcat. Hence the name RARE BEAR.
A little more primer please...
3000++
First thing pump off
stack fire
Tous feu, tous flamme voilà ce qu' il s' appel un démarrage d' enfer!
Fire coming out of the exhaust is not the same thing as the aircraft on fire .........duh
RENOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
It's not on fire. C'mon...
Rare Bear not on fire
Not on fire!
woahh wtf happoend?
normal for big round engines
@velvetrevolver94 lol.! :D
:/