I like the scene later where they're in the apartment and the hippie says "There are cops outside, you can't go out there." then Don owns him "No. YOU can't go out there."
Communists are the same in every country. They always live shitty lives and never have any money because they can't keep a job, but always want to tell others how to run a perfect society
I haven't seen the show in years but I don't ever remember any references to Don being a fan of Hemingway. Could you provide some additional examples? Cheers.
I hired a Russian immigrant once, years ago. Turns out he was in the military and was a veteran of their Afghanistan campaign. I asked him what he did in the fight. In his thick Russian accent he said proudly, "I build bridges. I blow up bridges!" Unlike Don, he was being literal.
Some people want to be told what to do, others just do the opposite of what they're told and think they're better than everyone. The smart ones just keep their mouth shuts and do whatever they want without judging..
That was the ironic thing the Marxist hippies that lived on the communes were also on food stamps. What many people confuse as well is that those with long hair and into the music were not always hippies. Many would have had jobs and the modern media now wants to lie and pretend that they were all part of some movement that never actually existed.
Irionically, hippies were middle to upper class pseudo intellectuals who wanted to live a hedonistic life breaking away from their parents' uptight views. Timothy Leary made a hell of a lot of money 'guiding' rich hippies through LSD trips in his expensive mansion. Plus, most of the LA bands were all kids with military background including Jim Morrison who was the son of an Admiral. Even Frank Zappa's dad worked for the military. Meanwhile, the poor were busting their arses in steel factories.
Their bodies, to do with as they please, unless of course you wish to enslave them and tell them what they can and can't do for the rest of their lives.
I love the nuance in this scene. Roy believes himself to be some sort of pseudo free thinker who spouts about being free from the ideas of control, but he's too stupid to realise how he's still an indoctrinated slave under new ideas of control.
@@2012jaysean Ianmaluk1 believes himself to be some sort of psuedo free commenter but he doesn't realise he just misused the word psuedo. Lol the irony
The best scene with the hippies is where they say "you can't go outside, man, there's police" and Don looks at them, and says "*you* can't go outside." and then leaves.
***** Except that wasn't what she said. Yes, it informed why she thought that campaign would work but her actual pitch was smoking as an "assertion of independence." Making it about you taking control of your life in spite of the danger. In other words...the exact campaign that Blu is using right now.
Anthony Jocko lol. Yeah, because Vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, nicotine with no additives, and flavor is somehow comparable to lighting a chemically infused dried leaf on fire and inhaling the smoke.
@@CGoody564 I think you just made the best argument for why people should continue to smoke cigarettes: if you know it comes from a leaf, then you know it's natural.
Don also feels like he knows better than others what's right. What's even more revealing is that people making the show like actor Jon Hamm who portrays Draper think of Don as a "dismal and despicable person." I like Don because he is suave and tends to win, not because he's someone who knows better. It seems like a lot of times people (myself included) forget this because in general, Don finds himself in a world of clowns and fakery--so it's easy to root for him to win, especially when he shows a little decency. But the most shocking moments in the show are when he crosses paths with people who actually believe in things and aren't as self-absorbed as he is. It's easy to miss this because the fantasy of being Don is so alluring. The fantasy is alluring, but Don's own cynicism about his life and others makes him constantly seek escape. I find it easy to mistake his Don's affairs with beautiful women, looking cool, smoking and drinking as part of the fantasy of Don's life. It's easy to forget that usually these things are Don's fantasies, too--escape from his life and responsibility towards anyone.
@James Tressler...What is the title of this show please? I see some posts to the side for "Mad Men" maybe this is part of it? I would like to see all the episodes if they are still around.
I love the delivery of the lines aswell, the hippie is always rushing trying to win and look around for approval of what he just said, Don is just taking his time and calmly outwitting him.
I don't think Don was being mean, he was just defending himself. He's being judged unfairly, and she doesn't really defend him even though she draws greeting cards for a living so she can make the art she wants to. Don is also creative and an artist in his own way, the Carousel pitch is beautiful.
Is it really unfair though? I've only seen clips of the show through RUclips, but doesn't Don laugh off research his own firm does that finds cigarettes are dangerous to your health? Not everything he does is bad, but the hippie is kind of right. He just sounds like a tool when he says it.
@@KashiwaDaisuke Communists can only survive in 1st world countries. Betty Friedan was a communist for years. She was rescued by her husband (who she would later marry) from her dirty one bedroom factory loft, never was a good housewife, was extremely violent towards him and then wrote the book 'The Feminine Mistique' where she told women to break the shackles of being a housewife and called it ''a comfortable concentration camp''. Misarble people always project their problems and insecurities onto others and want to seem like intellectuals.
Your comment says more about you, than it does the screen characters. You might want to consider that. After all, the script is being acted out by paid performers. Whereas, you are acting out your inner script, in a non-profit way.
Dons actually super left for his time, I alway saw him as a realist. He know the things he does aren't good he just doesn't care (when it come to his personal life). It really seems to me that he enjoys his job and sees it as an art of its own. Super interesting character.
Yes, Don's been there so he knows what's it like. Don, despite being incredible at what he does isn't an example of the "thriving meritocracy" of the capitalist system. Without the communist mortar round (ironic isn't it?) fired upon him and the original Don in Korea, he wouldn't be able to cheat the system and actually use his skill to catapult himself from the stolen middle-class status to an upper-class status.
The secret of this show is to pretend the Mad Men are the protagonists while showing in every scene how all 3 sides of this conversation are degenerate and humanity as a whole would benefit from locking all the doors on that club and setting it on fire
One, these are Beatniks. Two, if what you got from Mad Men is that Don Draper is awesome, happy, and in control of his life, you really didn't understand the show. Three, Steve Jobs was a hippie.
Yeah, so next time you type "ok, Boomer at a boomer in the comment section on some social media platform, just keep in mind that because of boomers like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, we wouldn't be spewing our bullshit online like this. Ok, Redcoat?
@@Tisply25 So? Being a Boomer had no impact on Steve Jobs's creative process. Being a hippie did. Also, the implication of the choice of clip and title was that the uploader views all hippies as lazy layabouts. When a hippie is responsible for Apple and most of modern computers, that disproves the claim. By contrast, the general attitude of Boomers that young people wanting things that the Boomers parents gave them and they discarded makes them entitled is not a universal claim. It is a statement of the general attitude of the Worst Generation. The one that was given free college and a push for universal healthcare, and responded by electing Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barrack Obama, and Donald Trump, Four neoliberals who want to go back to 1900 and a fascist.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 You do realize that most Hippies were boomers, right? Steve Jobs was born in the 1950's, that makes him a boomer. Also, a lot of the Hippies, became Yuppies; which is what Steve Jobs later became. Free healthcare and college? Let me ask you this, why should I be forced to pay taxes for the debt of someone else's useless fine arts degree? Why should anyone who never went to college be forced to pay the debt for someone's useless fine arts degree? You fuckers were the ones who bought the bullshit idea of "If you don't go to college, you won't be successful." You borrowed the money to pay for college, now you have to take the responsibility of paying that debt back. You reap what you sow. Do you also expect a bail out for people with mortgages too? College isn't the end all be all that they told you about. As for free Healthcare, nothing is ever free, even when people are forced to pay for it through excessive taxation. Also, we already have something like that in the United States, it's called the VA, look how well that's turned out. You don't want the government in your healthcare; they couldn't even protect Epstein, what makes you think that they will effectively handle your healthcare? Because Bernie Sanders says so? What the fuck does he know? He has the money to pay for his hospital bills. Quit being such a statist bootlicker.
Don does work for a corrupt and screwed up system (that much is certainly shown by the rest of the show), but he's smarter than the hippie. For that matter, the hippie is pretty clearly somewhat of a hypocrite, willing to mooch off Don and likely just as concerned about his appearance even though he pretends otherwise (hence the comment about the hair). Mad Men isn't any more anti-hippie than it is anti-old-school-establishment. It's a show that never makes things that black-and-white. Don't disdain is more that this hippie, like many of the time, is more talk than anything else. The ideals of that movement were valuable but too often used as an excuse for free sex and drugs along with a holier-than-though pretension. That certainly wasn't true of everyone in the 60s but it was true of a lot of them.
I have never watched this show before, but this clip alone totally makes me want to go out and start buying the DVDs. My best friend is a carbon copy of this beatnik and I love how Draper puts him down wothout breaking a sweat.
I think if you can take beatniks philosophy with the Don's work ethic, and competitive nature you can make something beautiful. The guy refuses to lose.
@buzzclick500 The ironic thing about all of this is that liberals believe in free speech and the individual. Most of those so called commune hippies were Marxists who believed in controlling peoples lives. And the vast majority were on food stamps.
axt114130 that’s the whole point of those countercultural movements. They wanted to isolate the artistic and creative drive and isolate it from discipline/traditional grounding, setting them at odds with one another to destructive ends rather than having them incorporated in a constructive whole. The classical world was essentially your comment - artistry wasn’t the domain of effeminate, pretentious, pseudo intellectuals - it played a genuine role as an incorporated part of theology/science/culture/politics.
“Art” in the old sense means something very different than nowadays, however. Art now is about literal representation and overt social signaling, when it used to be about beauty and forms of metaphysical significance, as a sort of interface between the material and immaterial worlds. Art and music have been thoroughly destroyed in the public sphere over the past couple centuries, and their involution has reached a point that the average layperson has little to no conception of what they actually used to be.
@Claudia Solomon It's the same thing thast happenes idiots idolise Walter White and Tony Soprano and on and on. They miss that they're not to be idolised. They miss the way their character unravels and all the flaws, the lies, thwe bullshit, the evil, comes out. Whenever there is a dishonest-protagonist half the world's men get completely fooled by their manipulation and lies themselves.
Much of the commentary is missing the point, it’s a scene from a fictional television show driven by advertising. The dialogue is smart with built in self criticism, a wink to the discerning viewer. They don’t call it the 2nd Golden Age for nothing. Great series, one of the best of all time.
my advice to the beatnik: don't listen to the advertising, and it will do you no harm. Maybe some people like it, so leave them alone. There is no reason to fight about it, as it can't affect you unless you let it.
Dez Anderson you navigate as a good captain: you learn the waters, avoid the dangers in it, and steer your ship to where you want to go. As for those around you, when they're ready, they will learn to do the same. For many people, the cycle of producing, advertising and consuming makes up so much of their lives, that they won't part with it willingly, until or unless they learn it does not truly satisfy them.
Dez Anderson the thing is, it is actually not just conformity. What advertising does, is offer a substitute for our innermost desires. Check out a youtube lecture by British philosopher Alain de Botton, "Epicurus on Happiness". It was quite an eye opener for me, regarding advertising.
Dez Anderson I'm not sure what is "absurd" about my statement. That's exactly what Alain de Botton is trying to convey - learn to recognize the guile, learn to filter it out, and focus on what makes you genuinely fulfilled. You can try teaching those who are ready for it, but you have to do it in a patient way, not by being antagonistic (as the intellectual in the video).
***** you CAN ignore it. You have a mind and a will of your own! and if you just remember that, you can ignore any propaganda or advertising thrown at you. It is not "designed so you CAN'T ignore it", it is an ATTEMPT to make you not ignore it. Whether their attempt succeeds, is up to you. For practical advice - if you do have a TV set, do not have TV channels hooked up to it, you'll probably cut out 90% of all advertising that reaches your ear. I never watch any programs through TV channels, because all the advertising annoys the heck out of me. One other thing you can do that is really fun with advertising - whenever an ad seems really appealing to you, analyze yourself, what do you see in the ad that attracts you so much? Does it seem that this "new thing" will bring you more happiness? Maybe it seems that way, but recall that your happiness couldn't have possibly been dependent on that new thing! What if that thing wasn't available, would happiness be less available? The powerful attraction you feel to the "new thing" most likely tells you that there is something basic that you crave, you've craved it before you've even seen the "new thing", and the "new thing" is merely an illusory substitute for what you really want.
@@markrcca5329 In other words knowone has to consent to anything they don't want, and we do consent to things at the end of the day whether we recognize it or not, that's very true.But its far easier to be a victim and think everything is being "done to you" ya know.
In a way, I get a hint of mutual respect between the two. As if Roy admired don's personal success whilst Don envys Roy's life outside of corporate schmoozing and excess.
MoRiellyMoProblems I think the whole series reflects that Don is incapable of that peace. Hopefully he came to some progress, but more likely he just was able to conceptualize a new viewpoint which could be used to exploit others. If you think about it Don didn't pursue a new path, but went right back to his old life. He wasn't looking for inner peace he was looking to get out of his own way enough to get back in to where he destroyed everything. Dons life is a self destructive loop and that did not change.
Wow. A lot of idiots who completely misunderstood mad men. It's a critique of capitalism and advertising but it's much too subtle to take a side in the binary way you want. Don Draper is a deeply unhappy and destructive character. Loveable because he's human, fragile and talented but also scarred and corrupted by the society that formed him and that in some way he represents.
The hairline didn't work. The hippie clearly didn't wash or do his hair and don's hair is heavily styled lol. Obviously Don spent more time on his hair than both of them.
the sentence works perfectly since Don Drapper is a detestable man, he can not discredit a hippie every time. And @Bressiehillum he is not president, 2 hands, a comb and wax, it takes 20 seconds..
Heavily styled? It's a classic part. Rub pomade, one brush to the left, two the right and back, and that's it. If you're saying the beatnik has bedhead then it wouldn't be that straight and wavy or have that much volume. Besides, Don wins plain and simple for how quick he thought of that line not for how quick he combed his hair.
it's so interesting to see some of the comments on this section. i feel like because Don is wearing a suit and smoking a cigarette and the fact that this youtube user used the label of "hippie" to over-simplify the social dynamic here.... it's just really interesting how some people in the comment section will respond and truly believe what they type. it's fascinating. :)
All they see is a one-shot line and the idea that it represents success and riches. The exact opposite of what Mad Men tries to portray, namely the hypocrisy of the double-faced American society in the 20th century. Don feels awful 90% of the time. He needs to hide his problems behind money, suits, good looks and humiliating sentences.
Don's the kind of guy I want to be. Businessman, cool, relaxed, and in it for the Benjamins. Those that advocate for economic overhauls and increased taxation on the rich are forever-bound to be poor serfs in a society built on self-achievement. Yeah, you can sit lazily in your chair with Cheetos and complain about wealth inequality, while I'm working around-the-clock to build a business by pouring my heart into it and enjoying the success that follows. Enjoy the EBT while I'm enjoying the Lamborghini. Chumps.
Dead Inside No, YOU are going to fail. You already have. You will never amount to anything in this world because you already decided long ago that there's no hope to go from rags to riches. Talk shit as much as you want. People like you are cancer and you're the plebs that will be buying my products.
To people who says "The Hippie was right" : No. First of all : RUclips (this video, and your comment) wouldn't exist because advertising makes it free and nobody would pay for RUclips. Then, Google (and all attached services) couldn't exist at all. Nor a huge majority of websites. Internet would be a tiny world, only accessible by the richest. Same thing on TV : Only paying channels. Progress would be incredibly slower : Without possible communication about a new feature, a beautiful design, why would companies create this new stuff ? (sorry if I made some language mistakes, I'm not a native speaker)
@Neo Matix I am a free market capitalist but anti corporatist (central market) myself so I've got to weigh in. 'nobody would pay for youtube' Sources on this? I know a whole lot of people who would love to own or run youtube, i'd go as far as to say millions would at this point. Then you say only owned by the richest, in a world where money wouldn't have the same sway? Then you say all these other things with nothing to back them up or really thinking through what you are claiming. Fact is if things were designed differently we'd have different end results, that's why laws and such are changed, to change the results that come from them.
Neo Matix wikipedia, project gutenberg, public resources. if it weren’t for all the copyright laws and market manipulations the same thing would exist without ads, in a sense. Patreonncurrently replaces the lost revenue from adpocalypse.
He still has a job which allows him to sleep on a bed full of money. There are a lot of people today who sleeps on a bed in their mom or dad's basement who smoke weed and drink all day. But of course it's not their fault though.
This is so true Felix. They assume none of these rich people actually worked hard and earned their money. My boyfriend immigrated to this country 6 years ago with $1000 and he now makes six figures a year and not once did he get a handout from the government yet many on the left would see him as an "evil" well off person just based on his income. It's almost as if being a loser with no ambitions is what we should all strive for.
Its clearly not difficult to tell that Don KNOWS that the hippi is right. However as of everyone who has gained enough consciousness, you do realise that you have to choose one side. Don chose to live by the fucked society and take it to his advantage and make the best out of it. On the other hand the hippi chose to pursue freedom, BUT it seems to be that he is a kind of hippi thats an unproductive day dreamer which is literally being useless either way. You cant just hate on the society and make arguments to your self and friends regarding how rightful everything would be without capitalism and if we all went back to nature and so on .. If this hippi was actually makes something of him self and progressively taking any sort of steps towards his beliefs, I am sure that Don wouldn't be devouring him as he did.
@John Smith I don't believe Can Taro Ohno is a communist. What makes you think that he is? Because he's critical of consumerism? Most people are, even the majority if capitalists. Your comment is not only unjust; it is also badly thought out, poorly worded and full of grammatical errors. It betrays a profound lack of education, decency and intelligence.
"People wanna be told what to do so badly, that they'll listen to anyone". Admen don't sell consumerism, they sell meaning in a meaningless world. “Happiness is a billboard on the side of the road that screams with reassurance that whatever you’re doing is OK.” You cannot top that, beatnik boy.
really? you guys see this a conflict between establishment and hippies? I see it as a dialogue, in their own way they are sharing ideas. They are 'talking' to each other and not 'at' each other. Both parties will come away with slightly new perspective on their own beliefs. This very thing, this conversation in its truest form is what may be missing now in our world. In this clip sure, they have their own smugness, but, they are remaining civil.
Accuses Don of telling people what to do in the context that it's immoral. Is studying theater, where presumably he does and says exactly what someone else wants him to.
A lot of people are really missing the point here. This scene is about Don Draper's nihilism, his lack of belief in anything, which is what much of the early part of the series is about. It's like when he says he's "living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one" or "You're born alone and you die alone..." This isn't some rebuttal of 60s counter-culture, it's a further insight into how the main character in the show thinks. It's about existential despair, not politics.
Just because they are part of that system doesn't mean they have to like it. And Capitalism has more flaws than I have wrinkles on my balls, so maybe, it deserves to be criticized. You must only see that side of it, that it gave you an iPhone. You don't think that someone far away was suffering, in a factory where people commit suicide every day, just to make that phone for you. You think your phone is more important than minimizing human suffering?
Apollo Alexandre I use a Samsung, and if you think Chinese work conditions are bad, boycott. If you're a Chinese worker, quit, revolt, or get back to work.
Jack Burton By your logic, we should have stayed in feudalism, because all of the initial industrialisation that occurred, had mostly occurred under monarchies. So the chair you sit on, the electricity you use, etc, has its origins in feudalism. With your logic, you would not be able to criticise feudalism, whilst enjoying all the benefits that feudalism had brought. Secondly, you forget that most inventions are created by the public sector (aka, not made with a profit motive). The internet, computers, mobile phones, etc. These were all made by the public sector (with phones, and satellites being invented in the USSR amongst other things). Smart phones were again invented by the military (aka public sector). So your entire argument is stupid. Instead of watching Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, pick up a book and learn something.
Islommic Gommunist most inventions are created by an individual with an idea. They're not the product of a collective. So instead of pushing herd mentality, try celebrating individualism. Also, many countries developed industrially without having to go through a feudal period. The US is the easiest example of that. Glad I could clear that up for you. God bless and remember, MAGA.
They called themselves the Beats. Note how there's no suffix "-niks" at the end of the Beats. Neither is there a prefix like a death threat i.e. Deadbeats. They wanted to be called the Beats.
One thing Mad Men needed more of was Don being mean to hippies. I could watch a season of nothing but that.
Amen
Then he ends up meditating with a bunch of hippies at the end...
Sean Roaney hey, you sound just like that hippie in the video!
So, Sean, if you had a job, what would you do?
Sean Roaney Aww, another brainwashed leftist... s'cute!
I like the scene later where they're in the apartment and the hippie says "There are cops outside, you can't go out there." then Don owns him "No. YOU can't go out there."
+4RobinsonJ and I dont know if it is in the same episode, but Done says: "make smth of yourself" and leaves. Harsh
4RobinsonJ He just said "no...you can't"
Walter James it is. It's the episode where don smokes weed with his paramour and her friends
gbornfree reallyfree I think it’s just “...you can’t” lol even more cold
Curious Otter Mandella effect at it again...
My favorite line in the whole series:
"If you had a job, what would you do?"
Communists are the same in every country. They always live shitty lives and never have any money because they can't keep a job, but always want to tell others how to run a perfect society
“ people want to be told what to do , SO badly that they will listen to anyone “ one of his most sobering lines .
"I blow up bridges." Ever the Hemingway fan.
Nice catch!
I haven't seen the show in years but I don't ever remember any references to Don being a fan of Hemingway. Could you provide some additional examples? Cheers.
Joshua Carroll not really more like those whom have barely embraced Hemingway
I'm more of a Fitzgerald fan myself.
@Christopher Marlowe Hey, he wrote one true sentence so what's your beef? LOL
I hired a Russian immigrant once, years ago. Turns out he was in the military and was a veteran of their Afghanistan campaign. I asked him what he did in the fight. In his thick Russian accent he said proudly, "I build bridges. I blow up bridges!"
Unlike Don, he was being literal.
@Natasel both it seems
@Natasel Military engineers usually do both
Some people want to be told what to do, others just do the opposite of what they're told and think they're better than everyone. The smart ones just keep their mouth shuts and do whatever they want without judging..
+Martell Tavares Ozoria That's an awesome quote. Because it's so true.
There’s so much truth in that, is that your own??
Overall I'd say do whatever you want. But if what you do becomes a problem for me then I become a problem for you...
and the really smart ones tell the dumb ones what to do
Martell Tavares Ozoria yup
Everybody’s got a plan until the bill comes.
BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
Bill Nye the Science Guy!
That's why they brought the suit with them.
Zak6959 well said
Jimmy J. Rustle that’s the ONLY reason why!!
"Everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
Ain't no bigger bill than that
How to starve a hippie: Hide his food stamps under the soap.
That was the ironic thing the Marxist hippies that lived on the communes were also on food stamps.
What many people confuse as well is that those with long hair and into the music were not always hippies. Many would have had jobs and the modern media now wants to lie and pretend that they were all part of some movement that never actually existed.
😂 this comment made my day...
Irionically, hippies were middle to upper class pseudo intellectuals who wanted to live a hedonistic life breaking away from their parents' uptight views. Timothy Leary made a hell of a lot of money 'guiding' rich hippies through LSD trips in his expensive mansion. Plus, most of the LA bands were all kids with military background including Jim Morrison who was the son of an Admiral. Even Frank Zappa's dad worked for the military. Meanwhile, the poor were busting their arses in steel factories.
That's assuming hippies have or even use soap.
@@binitials Rick Sanchez: THANK youuuu.
How do you sleep at night? In a bed of money! Draper-1 ; Hippie-0
on the rotting dead pile of lung cancer bodies 2000 miles high
Their bodies, to do with as they please, unless of course you wish to enslave them and tell them what they can and can't do for the rest of their lives.
paddyoclown hipster talk
Hippie? He's a beatnik.
Adan Ramirez Hipster and hippy are complete different things lol
Draper: "so if you had HAD a job...what would you do?"---- argument concluded.
I love the nuance in this scene. Roy believes himself to be some sort of pseudo free thinker who spouts about being free from the ideas of control, but he's too stupid to realise how he's still an indoctrinated slave under new ideas of control.
He thinks he is a free thinker, but is actually a pseudo intellectual.
More relevant today than back then
Everyone is a slave to something.
"We all have to serve somebody" is the truest thing said in this scene.
@@2012jaysean
Ianmaluk1 believes himself to be some sort of psuedo free commenter but he doesn't realise he just misused the word psuedo. Lol the irony
If you had a job.. lmao
SimMaster fucking savage lmao. I’m using that line as a starter question towards hipsters
My new favourite line, can't wait to use it 😂
Best part is that the hippie doesn't refute what he says, thus proving him right.
I can almost guarantee that every guy in this thread except me is under 6 feet tall 😂
@@colin-campbell Wish I was under 6 feet. Fucking back hurts like a bitch
"So Roy, if you had a job, what would you do?" love it!
The best scene with the hippies is where they say "you can't go outside, man, there's police" and Don looks at them, and says "*you* can't go outside." and then leaves.
"I said id'e think about it" instant friend zoned
martin jeffery 🤣🤣🤣 so true!!
Later turns out they're in love!
The 'Pretentious Intellectual' one is bullshit but this one is spot on.
***** Except that wasn't what she said. Yes, it informed why she thought that campaign would work but her actual pitch was smoking as an "assertion of independence." Making it about you taking control of your life in spite of the danger. In other words...the exact campaign that Blu is using right now.
Anthony Jocko lol. Yeah, because Vegetable glycerin, propylene glycol, nicotine with no additives, and flavor is somehow comparable to lighting a chemically infused dried leaf on fire and inhaling the smoke.
You’ve missed the point of this if you think he’s in the right
@@CGoody564 I think you just made the best argument for why people should continue to smoke cigarettes: if you know it comes from a leaf, then you know it's natural.
Don also feels like he knows better than others what's right. What's even more revealing is that people making the show like actor Jon Hamm who portrays Draper think of Don as a "dismal and despicable person." I like Don because he is suave and tends to win, not because he's someone who knows better. It seems like a lot of times people (myself included) forget this because in general, Don finds himself in a world of clowns and fakery--so it's easy to root for him to win, especially when he shows a little decency. But the most shocking moments in the show are when he crosses paths with people who actually believe in things and aren't as self-absorbed as he is. It's easy to miss this because the fantasy of being Don is so alluring. The fantasy is alluring, but Don's own cynicism about his life and others makes him constantly seek escape. I find it easy to mistake his Don's affairs with beautiful women, looking cool, smoking and drinking as part of the fantasy of Don's life. It's easy to forget that usually these things are Don's fantasies, too--escape from his life and responsibility towards anyone.
"If you had a job, what would you do?" Classic.
“I said I’d think about it”
He got MOGGED
I noticed that too!
Basically, "Well, I mean, we're not THAT close of friends...."
"What do you do, Don?"
"I blow up bridges."
"How do you sleep at night?"
"On a bed made of money."
@James Tressler...What is the title of this show please? I see some posts to the side for "Mad Men" maybe this is part of it? I would like to see all the episodes if they are still around.
Yes, we also watched the video.
After drinking some cough syrup. and thinking of a marketing idea.
The best line is: "And I have a feeling that you spent more time on your hair this morning than she did."
I agree, but so many others in the comments think otherwise, that i think they also spent more time on their hair this morning than she did!
"People want to be told what to do, so badly, that they'll listen to anyone". Truth
I love the delivery of the lines aswell, the hippie is always rushing trying to win and look around for approval of what he just said, Don is just taking his time and calmly outwitting him.
Sounds like Gary Vee (beatnik)
I don't think Don was being mean, he was just defending himself. He's being judged unfairly, and she doesn't really defend him even though she draws greeting cards for a living so she can make the art she wants to. Don is also creative and an artist in his own way, the Carousel pitch is beautiful.
Is it really unfair though? I've only seen clips of the show through RUclips, but doesn't Don laugh off research his own firm does that finds cigarettes are dangerous to your health? Not everything he does is bad, but the hippie is kind of right. He just sounds like a tool when he says it.
He's being judged unfairly right after he paid for the round of drinks. Roy was an ass
@@KashiwaDaisuke Communists can only survive in 1st world countries. Betty Friedan was a communist for years. She was rescued by her husband (who she would later marry) from her dirty one bedroom factory loft, never was a good housewife, was extremely violent towards him and then wrote the book 'The Feminine Mistique' where she told women to break the shackles of being a housewife and called it ''a comfortable concentration camp''. Misarble people always project their problems and insecurities onto others and want to seem like intellectuals.
Notice how neither of the other two offered to pay for the drinks but Don does with a knowing nod.
Probably because they're hippie bums.
Rick Dalton deals with argumentative hippies with a flame thrower. 🔥🔥🔥
It makes me happy that Once Upon A Time in Hollywood has resonated so much with people.
Tisply24 I’ll never feel the same about dirty fuckin hippies ever again I’ll tell ya that!!!
notice the girl immediatelystarted ignoring the hippie as soon as the successeful rich powerful guy appears
Watch the show, that's not what happens. She chooses the hippie
Def didn’t go that way.
Did you even watch the show, you moron?
@User 0 Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Your comment says more about you, than it does the screen characters.
You might want to consider that.
After all, the script is being acted out by paid performers.
Whereas, you are acting out your inner script, in a non-profit way.
How do you sleep at night?
On a bed made of money.
@ninuxy Found the pennyless loser.
@Unamused Joseph Least I know what sleeping on a bed of money feels like.
@Marks Madmarktigan are you a bot lol
@@xMorbidArtx haha 🤣😅 I like it
Coke is one hell of a drug
Lol, these people where actually called beatniks, hippies didn't come around until the mid to late 60s.
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To paraphrase the vid, beatniks were conceived in the 50's and gave birth to the hippies in the 60's.
Ken M where you been at man???
Many Beatniks naturally transitioned into hippies, or were essentially hippies without the communes and the drugs but the same mindset.
When I was a 90s young goth my dad used to say he reminded me of the beatniks
And then that beatnik became a Wall Street broker in the 80s - go figure
"How do you sleep at night?"
"On a bed made of money"
lives rent-free in my head on a regular basis 😂
"So Roy, if you had a job....."
A top shelf and gloriously wonderful burn! Truly magnificent!
Dons actually super left for his time, I alway saw him as a realist. He know the things he does aren't good he just doesn't care (when it come to his personal life). It really seems to me that he enjoys his job and sees it as an art of its own. Super interesting character.
That's true, but not some gross flaming Marxists like this tool here almost certainly is.
Yes, Don's been there so he knows what's it like. Don, despite being incredible at what he does isn't an example of the "thriving meritocracy" of the capitalist system. Without the communist mortar round (ironic isn't it?) fired upon him and the original Don in Korea, he wouldn't be able to cheat the system and actually use his skill to catapult himself from the stolen middle-class status to an upper-class status.
@@danielhicks4826 yawn
@@lotuseater7247 Your right, I meant Dons a liberal deviant but not a full blown marxists retard. Thats my bad ya know.
Roy: So what do you do, Don?
Don: I blow up bridges!
Yes, that's about right!
The secret of this show is to pretend the Mad Men are the protagonists while showing in every scene how all 3 sides of this conversation are degenerate and humanity as a whole would benefit from locking all the doors on that club and setting it on fire
in Minecraft
Love your username.
One, these are Beatniks. Two, if what you got from Mad Men is that Don Draper is awesome, happy, and in control of his life, you really didn't understand the show. Three, Steve Jobs was a hippie.
Yeah, so next time you type "ok, Boomer at a boomer in the comment section on some social media platform, just keep in mind that because of boomers like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, we wouldn't be spewing our bullshit online like this.
Ok, Redcoat?
@@Tisply25 So? Being a Boomer had no impact on Steve Jobs's creative process. Being a hippie did.
Also, the implication of the choice of clip and title was that the uploader views all hippies as lazy layabouts. When a hippie is responsible for Apple and most of modern computers, that disproves the claim.
By contrast, the general attitude of Boomers that young people wanting things that the Boomers parents gave them and they discarded makes them entitled is not a universal claim. It is a statement of the general attitude of the Worst Generation. The one that was given free college and a push for universal healthcare, and responded by electing Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barrack Obama, and Donald Trump, Four neoliberals who want to go back to 1900 and a fascist.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 You do realize that most Hippies were boomers, right? Steve Jobs was born in the 1950's, that makes him a boomer. Also, a lot of the Hippies, became Yuppies; which is what Steve Jobs later became.
Free healthcare and college? Let me ask you this, why should I be forced to pay taxes for the debt of someone else's useless fine arts degree? Why should anyone who never went to college be forced to pay the debt for someone's useless fine arts degree? You fuckers were the ones who bought the bullshit idea of "If you don't go to college, you won't be successful." You borrowed the money to pay for college, now you have to take the responsibility of paying that debt back. You reap what you sow. Do you also expect a bail out for people with mortgages too? College isn't the end all be all that they told you about.
As for free Healthcare, nothing is ever free, even when people are forced to pay for it through excessive taxation. Also, we already have something like that in the United States, it's called the VA, look how well that's turned out. You don't want the government in your healthcare; they couldn't even protect Epstein, what makes you think that they will effectively handle your healthcare? Because Bernie Sanders says so? What the fuck does he know? He has the money to pay for his hospital bills.
Quit being such a statist bootlicker.
Don does work for a corrupt and screwed up system (that much is certainly shown by the rest of the show), but he's smarter than the hippie. For that matter, the hippie is pretty clearly somewhat of a hypocrite, willing to mooch off Don and likely just as concerned about his appearance even though he pretends otherwise (hence the comment about the hair). Mad Men isn't any more anti-hippie than it is anti-old-school-establishment. It's a show that never makes things that black-and-white. Don't disdain is more that this hippie, like many of the time, is more talk than anything else. The ideals of that movement were valuable but too often used as an excuse for free sex and drugs along with a holier-than-though pretension. That certainly wasn't true of everyone in the 60s but it was true of a lot of them.
David Beier Exactly
best comment here...
funny, sounds like third wave feminism.
The ending of the series seems to prefigure the mainstreaming and commercialisation of what had once been counter-cultural.
David Beier True
He channels Robert DeNiro perfectly in this scene.
This is great because the point of mad men is that Don Draper is really cool and being rich is just so nice and good
That scene is so nostalgic I wish I lived back then, the smoking, drinking, and don't give a dang attitude is something we need today.
I have never watched this show before, but this clip alone totally makes me want to go out and start buying the DVDs. My best friend is a carbon copy of this beatnik and I love how Draper puts him down wothout breaking a sweat.
“Buying the DVDs” lolololol
Love this show. Great writing and acting. Thanks for posting.
It's a TV show! Writers can win any argument they write. Much like Bible writers trying to make Paul speak like a Greek philosopher!
kybelian this is true...the last time I won an argument, was in 1974 😏
Now that's a serious burn Don played out on that hippie!
I'm struck by how the mispronunciations ("L'kaim," "Epi-scope-al") create an atmosphere of ineptitude.
Purposeful.
See, Don never knew that you never go with a hippie to a second location - 30 Rock hadn't come out yet
All the People who idolize Don Draper didnt really get the point
Not a single person in this show is actually likable and maybe that's the point but still people would do it because it's alluring to be don.
Strictly speaking, they're beatniks, the larva of hippies.
Lol
"I blow up bridges" was the best lololololololol
I think if you can take beatniks philosophy with the Don's work ethic, and competitive nature you can make something beautiful. The guy refuses to lose.
@buzzclick500
The ironic thing about all of this is that liberals believe in free speech and the individual. Most of those so called commune hippies were Marxists who believed in controlling peoples lives. And the vast majority were on food stamps.
@buzzclick500
There was no total breakdown in the 1960s. The modern media like to pretend this was the case.
axt114130 that’s the whole point of those countercultural movements. They wanted to isolate the artistic and creative drive and isolate it from discipline/traditional grounding, setting them at odds with one another to destructive ends rather than having them incorporated in a constructive whole. The classical world was essentially your comment - artistry wasn’t the domain of effeminate, pretentious, pseudo intellectuals - it played a genuine role as an incorporated part of theology/science/culture/politics.
bighand69 it was all a sham. The whole “counterculture” was a creation of “the man” to destroy families and make all of those kids impotent.
“Art” in the old sense means something very different than nowadays, however. Art now is about literal representation and overt social signaling, when it used to be about beauty and forms of metaphysical significance, as a sort of interface between the material and immaterial worlds. Art and music have been thoroughly destroyed in the public sphere over the past couple centuries, and their involution has reached a point that the average layperson has little to no conception of what they actually used to be.
"I'm so clever and they're so stupid bla bla bla..."For infinite variations on this theme, simply keep reading.
It's amazing to me, how many people post things like this, missing the whole point of the show and it's meaning.
@Claudia Solomon It's the same thing thast happenes idiots idolise Walter White and Tony Soprano and on and on. They miss that they're not to be idolised. They miss the way their character unravels and all the flaws, the lies, thwe bullshit, the evil, comes out. Whenever there is a dishonest-protagonist half the world's men get completely fooled by their manipulation and lies themselves.
Next time somebody asks me how I sleep at night knowing I work in finance I'm defs stealing that line "on a bed made of money" hahaha
Something between them is the best way as we saw at the end. Don got some hippie in him to get his head straight without going too far with it.
Much of the commentary is missing the point, it’s a scene from a fictional television show driven by advertising. The dialogue is smart with built in self criticism, a wink to the discerning viewer. They don’t call it the 2nd Golden Age for nothing. Great series, one of the best of all time.
I would argue THE best. 😉
my advice to the beatnik: don't listen to the advertising, and it will do you no harm. Maybe some people like it, so leave them alone. There is no reason to fight about it, as it can't affect you unless you let it.
Dez Anderson you navigate as a good captain: you learn the waters, avoid the dangers in it, and steer your ship to where you want to go. As for those around you, when they're ready, they will learn to do the same. For many people, the cycle of producing, advertising and consuming makes up so much of their lives, that they won't part with it willingly, until or unless they learn it does not truly satisfy them.
Dez Anderson the thing is, it is actually not just conformity. What advertising does, is offer a substitute for our innermost desires. Check out a youtube lecture by British philosopher Alain de Botton, "Epicurus on Happiness". It was quite an eye opener for me, regarding advertising.
Dez Anderson I'm not sure what is "absurd" about my statement. That's exactly what Alain de Botton is trying to convey - learn to recognize the guile, learn to filter it out, and focus on what makes you genuinely fulfilled. You can try teaching those who are ready for it, but you have to do it in a patient way, not by being antagonistic (as the intellectual in the video).
***** you CAN ignore it. You have a mind and a will of your own! and if you just remember that, you can ignore any propaganda or advertising thrown at you. It is not "designed so you CAN'T ignore it", it is an ATTEMPT to make you not ignore it. Whether their attempt succeeds, is up to you.
For practical advice - if you do have a TV set, do not have TV channels hooked up to it, you'll probably cut out 90% of all advertising that reaches your ear. I never watch any programs through TV channels, because all the advertising annoys the heck out of me.
One other thing you can do that is really fun with advertising - whenever an ad seems really appealing to you, analyze yourself, what do you see in the ad that attracts you so much? Does it seem that this "new thing" will bring you more happiness? Maybe it seems that way, but recall that your happiness couldn't have possibly been dependent on that new thing! What if that thing wasn't available, would happiness be less available? The powerful attraction you feel to the "new thing" most likely tells you that there is something basic that you crave, you've craved it before you've even seen the "new thing", and the "new thing" is merely an illusory substitute for what you really want.
@@markrcca5329 In other words knowone has to consent to anything they don't want, and we do consent to things at the end of the day whether we recognize it or not, that's very true.But its far easier to be a victim and think everything is being "done to you" ya know.
"So, Roy: If you _had_ a job, what would you do?"
CountArtha destroyed him😂
“If you had a job, what would you do”
Lol the balls
2:04 Best comeback ever!
omg I missed it before, wow brilliant comeback ever, very deeply sarcastic
i think they are both right for themselfes
"So what do you do, Don?"
"I blow up bridges"
laughed my ass off
Jack Wang means this guy isn't getting back with his ex
How to handle an argumentative hippie
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Sent in diCaprio and Brad Pitt.
dicaprio is our modern day equilevant of a hippie though, he's a go green eco-fascist (or atleast sings to their tunes)
In a way, I get a hint of mutual respect between the two. As if Roy admired don's personal success whilst Don envys Roy's life outside of corporate schmoozing and excess.
Yep, both contain what the other does not, leading to envy between them.
“So Roy, if you had a job...”
Funny that Don became a hippie by the end of season 7
+Olayinka Taiwo Finding inner peace didn't make him a hippie, it inspired him to create arguably Coca Cola's biggest ad campaign.
MoRiellyMoProblems I think the whole series reflects that Don is incapable of that peace. Hopefully he came to some progress, but more likely he just was able to conceptualize a new viewpoint which could be used to exploit others. If you think about it Don didn't pursue a new path, but went right back to his old life. He wasn't looking for inner peace he was looking to get out of his own way enough to get back in to where he destroyed everything. Dons life is a self destructive loop and that did not change.
That sounds really dissapointing.
That’s Right! 🤯(Mind Blowing)
I like Bill Hick's view on marketing and advertising.
Wow. A lot of idiots who completely misunderstood mad men. It's a critique of capitalism and advertising but it's much too subtle to take a side in the binary way you want. Don Draper is a deeply unhappy and destructive character. Loveable because he's human, fragile and talented but also scarred and corrupted by the society that formed him and that in some way he represents.
Found another hippie. ^
Mad Men*. Your pseudo intellect must’ve forgotten how to properly capitalize certain words.
Not sure you get it either mate!
Don Draper...he had the coolest lines.
The hairline didn't work. The hippie clearly didn't wash or do his hair and don's hair is heavily styled lol. Obviously Don spent more time on his hair than both of them.
the sentence works perfectly since Don Drapper is a detestable man, he can not discredit a hippie every time. And @Bressiehillum he is not president, 2 hands, a comb and wax, it takes 20 seconds..
@Bessie Hillum
Yeah, a gay stylist lmao
Heavily styled? It's a classic part. Rub pomade, one brush to the left, two the right and back, and that's it.
If you're saying the beatnik has bedhead then it wouldn't be that straight and wavy or have that much volume. Besides, Don wins plain and simple for how quick he thought of that line not for how quick he combed his hair.
@@Uomodargilla
Most of the so called commune hippies were on foodstamps.
I recently changed my hairstyle to something like Don's. And literally, it does not take more than a minute to do his kind of hair.
Her : we all have serve someone .
Don: I serve myself what you talking about
it's so interesting to see some of the comments on this section. i feel like because Don is wearing a suit and smoking a cigarette and the fact that this youtube user used the label of "hippie" to over-simplify the social dynamic here.... it's just really interesting how some people in the comment section will respond and truly believe what they type. it's fascinating. :)
All they see is a one-shot line and the idea that it represents success and riches. The exact opposite of what Mad Men tries to portray, namely the hypocrisy of the double-faced American society in the 20th century. Don feels awful 90% of the time. He needs to hide his problems behind money, suits, good looks and humiliating sentences.
And Don was clearly the one there that spent the most time on his hair.
Might be the best scene in the entire show.
Don's the kind of guy I want to be. Businessman, cool, relaxed, and in it for the Benjamins. Those that advocate for economic overhauls and increased taxation on the rich are forever-bound to be poor serfs in a society built on self-achievement.
Yeah, you can sit lazily in your chair with Cheetos and complain about wealth inequality, while I'm working around-the-clock to build a business by pouring my heart into it and enjoying the success that follows. Enjoy the EBT while I'm enjoying the Lamborghini. Chumps.
Jedian I’m pretty sure the point of mad men is you don’t wanna be Don. The intro of the show depicts quite literally his life falling apart around him
you're definitely gonna fail and i will be there laughing at your naiveté lol imagine being an adult and believing this bullshit
Dead Inside No, YOU are going to fail. You already have. You will never amount to anything in this world because you already decided long ago that there's no hope to go from rags to riches.
Talk shit as much as you want. People like you are cancer and you're the plebs that will be buying my products.
dons hair is pretty perfect just quietly
To people who says "The Hippie was right" : No.
First of all : RUclips (this video, and your comment) wouldn't exist because advertising makes it free and nobody would pay for RUclips.
Then, Google (and all attached services) couldn't exist at all.
Nor a huge majority of websites. Internet would be a tiny world, only accessible by the richest.
Same thing on TV : Only paying channels.
Progress would be incredibly slower : Without possible communication about a new feature, a beautiful design, why would companies create this new stuff ?
(sorry if I made some language mistakes, I'm not a native speaker)
Meh... I could live without craptube... lol
A smaller internet would be the best thing for humans.
We had a functioning internet before internet-ads. Why would companies destroy new stuff unless it was competition to their current market?
@Neo Matix I am a free market capitalist but anti corporatist (central market) myself so I've got to weigh in. 'nobody would pay for youtube' Sources on this? I know a whole lot of people who would love to own or run youtube, i'd go as far as to say millions would at this point. Then you say only owned by the richest, in a world where money wouldn't have the same sway? Then you say all these other things with nothing to back them up or really thinking through what you are claiming. Fact is if things were designed differently we'd have different end results, that's why laws and such are changed, to change the results that come from them.
Neo Matix wikipedia, project gutenberg, public resources. if it weren’t for all the copyright laws and market manipulations the same thing would exist without ads, in a sense. Patreonncurrently replaces the lost revenue from adpocalypse.
"Well maybe it's born there but I think it may be conceived right here"😂
At least 32 hippies watched this video.
This is saddest example of a bar/club. Literally the entertainment is some random guy reading the newspaper.
How do you sleep at night?
On a bed full of empty bottles because I'm a raging alcoholic.
What makes you think he was an alcoholic?
He still has a job which allows him to sleep on a bed full of money. There are a lot of people today who sleeps on a bed in their mom or dad's basement who smoke weed and drink all day. But of course it's not their fault though.
@@TheWinterShadow There's also a lot of people who do nothing except complain about other people online all day too! What a strange world we live in.
@@victorlee6129 Yeah, they must be doing so at their job.
@@TheWinterShadow you must not get paid shit
"IF .. you had a job" *dramatic pause*
This is so true Felix. They assume none of these rich people actually worked hard and earned their money. My boyfriend immigrated to this country 6 years ago with $1000 and he now makes six figures a year and not once did he get a handout from the government yet many on the left would see him as an "evil" well off person just based on his income. It's almost as if being a loser with no ambitions is what we should all strive for.
"I blow up bridges" 😂😂😂
Sublime - I miss Don Draper since Mad Men finished
LOL “it’s a cooperative”
Its clearly not difficult to tell that Don KNOWS that the hippi is right. However as of everyone who has gained enough consciousness, you do realise that you have to choose one side. Don chose to live by the fucked society and take it to his advantage and make the best out of it. On the other hand the hippi chose to pursue freedom, BUT it seems to be that he is a kind of hippi thats an unproductive day dreamer which is literally being useless either way. You cant just hate on the society and make arguments to your self and friends regarding how rightful everything would be without capitalism and if we all went back to nature and so on .. If this hippi was actually makes something of him self and progressively taking any sort of steps towards his beliefs, I am sure that Don wouldn't be devouring him as he did.
+Can Taro Ohno agreed mate. well said!
+Can Taro Ohno well said, exactly what I was thinking.
Spot on truth---you nailed it!!
Thank you for being one of the only people here who actually gets this scene.
@John Smith I don't believe Can Taro Ohno is a communist. What makes you think that he is? Because he's critical of consumerism? Most people are, even the majority if capitalists.
Your comment is not only unjust; it is also badly thought out, poorly worded and full of grammatical errors. It betrays a profound lack of education, decency and intelligence.
"People wanna be told what to do so badly, that they'll listen to anyone". Admen don't sell consumerism, they sell meaning in a meaningless world. “Happiness is a billboard on the side of the road that screams with reassurance that whatever you’re doing is OK.” You cannot top that, beatnik boy.
crazy how different don's voice is in the first season, it got so gravely towards the end i wonder if it was intentional or just hamm getting older
+brwi1 Hamm's voice got way raspier you can hear it in interviews. I think he actually had minor surgery on his throat a couple years ago
brwi1 Maybe the smoking and drinking?
I agree. Love the old Don Draper voice.
If there is one line I remember from this series, it's "How do you sleep at night? On a bed made of money."
This scene leaves out the part where the beatnik performs and Don Draper is visibly moved by it.
Its not in this scene then?
No, the guy with the beard sings a folk song later.
Damn, people rely b living their lives thinking "oh im definitely Don Draper" lol
Thats why you are here too right?
@@stevendalloesingh1214 nah, i am the hippie
"in a bed made of money"
👏👏👏
really? you guys see this a conflict between establishment and hippies?
I see it as a dialogue, in their own way they are sharing ideas. They are 'talking' to each other and not 'at' each other.
Both parties will come away with slightly new perspective on their own beliefs.
This very thing, this conversation in its truest form is what may be missing now in our world.
In this clip sure, they have their own smugness, but, they are remaining civil.
Rule #1: Never get into a battle of words with Don Draper.
Accuses Don of telling people what to do in the context that it's immoral.
Is studying theater, where presumably he does and says exactly what someone else wants him to.
Not to mention, he is studying theatre with the intent to hone his skills of falsehood presentation into an artform.
... Stupid thespian.
A lot of people are really missing the point here. This scene is about Don Draper's nihilism, his lack of belief in anything, which is what much of the early part of the series is about. It's like when he says he's "living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one" or "You're born alone and you die alone..."
This isn't some rebuttal of 60s counter-culture, it's a further insight into how the main character in the show thinks. It's about existential despair, not politics.
I love reading anticapitalist comments made by people on RUclips, via their smartphones, through an ISP, while most likely sipping at Starbucks.
Just because they are part of that system doesn't mean they have to like it. And Capitalism has more flaws than I have wrinkles on my balls, so maybe, it deserves to be criticized. You must only see that side of it, that it gave you an iPhone. You don't think that someone far away was suffering, in a factory where people commit suicide every day, just to make that phone for you. You think your phone is more important than minimizing human suffering?
Apollo Alexandre I use a Samsung, and if you think Chinese work conditions are bad, boycott. If you're a Chinese worker, quit, revolt, or get back to work.
Apollo Alexandre My phone is made in South Korea. My computer is made in the US. Are you using a Chinese-made device to view and reply to this video?
Jack Burton
By your logic, we should have stayed in feudalism, because all of the initial industrialisation that occurred, had mostly occurred under monarchies. So the chair you sit on, the electricity you use, etc, has its origins in feudalism. With your logic, you would not be able to criticise feudalism, whilst enjoying all the benefits that feudalism had brought.
Secondly, you forget that most inventions are created by the public sector (aka, not made with a profit motive). The internet, computers, mobile phones, etc. These were all made by the public sector (with phones, and satellites being invented in the USSR amongst other things). Smart phones were again invented by the military (aka public sector).
So your entire argument is stupid. Instead of watching Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, pick up a book and learn something.
Islommic Gommunist most inventions are created by an individual with an idea. They're not the product of a collective. So instead of pushing herd mentality, try celebrating individualism.
Also, many countries developed industrially without having to go through a feudal period. The US is the easiest example of that.
Glad I could clear that up for you. God bless and remember, MAGA.
“On a bed filled with money”-awesomeness!
They called themselves the Beats. Note how there's no suffix "-niks" at the end of the Beats. Neither is there a prefix like a death threat i.e. Deadbeats. They wanted to be called the Beats.
John hamm is sooooo scrumptious!!!!!!!!!