Is great to have you back! Having a 12 months break between videos helps us see the progress (or lack thereof). I have mix feelings because I see progress, but it also keeps making mistakes that are inexcusable at this stage.
Why inexcusable at this stage? It’s like you know or have some sort of expectation for a service - this is one of a kind, never been done before in 4 billion years, most other car makers can’t do it, try to do it and fail or are going down an unsustainable path (cruise, waymo) - 10 years ago it was considered “impossible” to implement a generalised solution, now “expectations” are so high …… FYI - it’s a BETA software product.
@@Kick9494 well they do sell the product and it is wide release, and they do charge money for it and they do recognize a big chunk of that money as income. And they sold it under the illusion that it would be ready in 2020, then 2021, then 2022. Now it's 2023 and it keeps driving into train tracks, over curbs and almost getting you rear ended for no reason. And it has been done before, look at Waymo and Cruise. But of course they use maps and Tesla refuses to do that, they rather drive in the wrong lane 🤷🏻♂
@@frangalarza “Keeps” doing things as you describe is not an accurate representation of usage. It is specific user experience on specific roads, in specific conditions - Does it need work, yes, but don’t extrapolate a use case across all user experiences. It is an innovative approach to develop the system with end users and it has its risks. It is widely delayed from original expectations. It is remarkable that some (which can be a lot) of people, expect magic. It is Beta software and it is delayed and it is very disappointing but it will revolutionise our lives across the world 🌎
@@Kick9494 Go watch the videos in this channel from more than a year ago. They're the same mistakes. That it keeps doing. That's what I'm saying. Like it's driving over the damn curb. And a year went by and they didn't fix it. Who's to say they're gonna fix it anytime soon? What's the excuse for not fixing it? That's what I mean with inexcusable.
@@frangalarza - Let’s first agree that Tesla will defo want to fix the problem. It’s safe to say that they are throwing the best minds in world at it. There is no reason not to fix it, therefore we can summarise to say that rather than fix a specific problem, they are working on the foundations to allow the car to manage ANY reasonable scenario (this being one of them). Therefore they are not trying to fix a car going over the kerb, they are trying to teach it how to view, interpret and act. Us mere mortals can’t even comprehend this approach, or understand it - just look at one of their Schematics of the decision engine and data input handling - we don’t have a prayer 🙏
You’re welcome! We just need to hope, as a community, that Elon does not ban my car from receiving updates again! I’ll keep the videos coming as long as I have access!
ar 4 mins I agree the car cut across the yellow lines on the left turn, but if there WAS a car waiting it would not have t-boned it, it would have made a wider turn to avoid it. Ben in that situation many times with FSDb.
@@AIAddict oh LOL yeah so technically we can expect it to be anything close to it in like 2025 I guess, anyway I'm pretty sure they'll start to 'cheat' on their ai since other manufacturers are doing better (cheating or not)
@@nixulescu9399 Tesla has already been proven to lying about FSD...from their original filing in the US for the approval, the car ran a pre programmed route with all of the controls pre programmed, nothing about it was self driving. it was like coding a video game car to do a loop over and over. A big lie.
Interesting video highlighting the short-comings of the FSD. It seems like FSD does fairly well with simple situations in smaller towns and simple roadways (like the Chuck Cook videos), but really struggles in cities with more complex intersections, bus lanes, bike lanes etc. I definitely enjoy watching both the successes and failures of our current technology and watching as it gets better over time. Hopefully Tesla is able to use videos like this to improve their FSD in the years to come.
Chuck has it right - the unprotected left turn was hazardous. They sent a team out to investigate and came up with a solution of sorts. His is a real world case - but there are probably thousands of examples of his turn - with variables as to if there is an island or a divider. It’s a basic turn which should have been addressed a long time ago. I haven’t seen much content from Boston or other older cities where the roads were built on horse paths - narrow roads. Odd intersections. Sometimes sideways streetlights. Odd angles for intersections.
The right turn from Hillsdale Ave onto Cherry Ave is a "fun" one to try as well. Car either wants to go into the other lane or crash into the bollards on the weird bike lane.
3:40 would NOT have been a T-bone. The car would see the path more clearly and the ambiguity on the reflective ground would be weighted less and easily route around a car.
@@AIAddict I live 2 blocks from that exact spot and we drive like that without issue. Just wait for a sharks game to let out and watch it happen every time
Also you complaining about it going close to the speed limit when "humans" drive crazy fast kind of negates this point, right? Can't complain that the car doesn't break the law when convenient for you and then complain that it crosses double yellow lines when no car is around.. Lol
It‘s astounding given the publicity your videos created 1 year ago that Tesla haven‘t attempted to fix the problems at these San José downtown locations in particular.
thats not how AI works, you dont just "fix" certain areas, that would be the way with lidar and pre scanned roads. They attempt to improve the system in a way that it understands the Enviroment. This is not an easy Task obviously not even Humans can handle that. Put someone who never driven in any big city into a 4-5 lane situation and they will drive like FSD or even worse. There is no other System available which does even close as good ( exclude all systems which require pre scanned roads )
For some reason Tesla is extremely resistant to giving FSD any kind of memory or pre-programming of the roadways ahead. That seems very counterintuitive that it has to completely figure out like a new driver every time it goes around a corner. It should be able to remember and learn what a particular roadway is like just like a human does. Not just always try to figure it out each time it goes around the corner.
I think it’s because that’s how humans drive when they are in an area they’ve never driven before. That is the bar Tesla wants to reach, human level performance in ALL scenarios. Then, they might introduce things like memory to improve performance. If you introduce those things too early you use them as a crutch, masking poor performance in the fundamentals of the systems.
@@eukaryote-prime they would be useful but will be extremely costly at the scale Tesla is targeting. Far too expensive in fact. Waymo has been doing that for years and not really getting anywhere in terms of commercial viability.
Honestly, this video brings up a lot of great, complex conditions that are nice to see tested. It's a shame there's so much clearly negative bias here. So many user mistakes and misunderstandings blamed on the car that make this more of a trash Tesla video than an objective test. There was a lot of jumping to conclusions and a general lack of knowledge of what situation the car was dealing with. The car was actually following the speed limit, the car stopped because it reached its destination, the car braked (admittedly too hard) because of the tram and how the road and no right turn sign came into view, etc. I really hate to bring it up, but it looks like being fired from Tesla is very relevant to this video. This does not scream professionalism. The intro itself shows what the channel is about now. Hate to see it.
10:30 Re: Phantom Braking ... was it confused the lighted no-right-turn sign? Because the fender camera video was up it was hard to tell if something showed up on the screen.
As far as I remember there was this promis years ago that the Teslas would use swarm intelligence so e.g. if many cars go on clear traces through intersections etc., the Teslas would immedialtely get these informations and because of that would go very precisely on certain traces on difficult roads or intersections. Logical, because we do this too, we look where the locals go through huge unclear intersections, and follow if it feels somehow logical. Beta: "Shut up. I make my own world based on vision only." Never seen a behaviour that shows this swarm intelligence. At least going across curbes is a proof that Beta learns not the precise traces from other cars. Anyway I don't understand, why Beta is taking turns always weather super flat or very wide, rarely going a very simple bow.
I've been shadow banned, striked, censored, deleted... I can totally imagine a corporation cancelling services for an EV owners car for posting wrong think or "misinformation"
Do you think you could mount a rear facing camera so that the viewers can see what's going on behind you? Like especially for some extra context during the time the car almost rear ended you in this video. Honestly it doesn't even have to be a good camera, could just be an old cell phone since you could just have it be a small section towards the top of the screen that appears similar to an actual rear view mirror (:
@9:24 in Philly they have trolly tracks down Girard avenue that is for both cars and trolleys. If I was not from the area l, I'd probably make the same mistake.
Thanks for the video! It would make me less nervous if you didn't interact with the touch screen to change the route while FSD is active. That thing could kill at any time 😬
What does the map data say about the railroad track where it fails? I wonder if the map data is unusual. Maybe it's registered as one big wide road with a middle bus lane.
Did you pass by the building which the red painted circle confused the car into thinking it was a stop sign? Did that get fixed? I think that the flashing red caution sign for the train confused the car into thinking that it was a stop signal of some sort - when the car phantom brakes and you almost got rear ended. Interesting in seeing you do this same test in dryer conditions and see if it performs any better. The reflection from the ground could (I guess) confusion a vision only based system. It certainly did not “learn” from its mistakes as it made the same mistake back to back (driving up the train path). How come Omar never has these problems? Are they fixing his tests in by scanning his path in advance giving his car a training advantage or is he just lucky?
1) Yes the building with red sign has been fixed 2) car performs exactly the same in rain or dry 3) Omar is a close to Elon. He edits his content to appear better than it is
thats still a phantom brake, misinterpretation braking is phantom braking. because phantom braking is false detection of an object/anticipated collision and hitting the brakes. it's not rocket science.
@@Jupa it's harder than rocket science. Collection fleet data and building a model to train so a car can drive using 8 cameras only. The car wanted to go right but the flashing red light was like a stop sign. It's had to stop. The only option was to go straight but I don't think the car sees a different better a flashing red no right turn light and a flashing red light yet.
Didn’t they switch to camera only based detection since you last used FSD? Do you think that has influenced much of the issues here? I drove a Tesla 3 non FSD because I’m UK and even it’s normal cruise and lane keep assist noticeably worsened since the camera detection switch. To the point I couldn’t wait to return it.
I believe Tesla is performing similar to how it did a year ago using full sensors. However, I believe they have it their current limitations without sensors
Thanks for getting back on that horse, John. I don't know how long it will take to get blocked again, or sued, or who knows what they want to try next, but all I can say is, I'm terrified that this is available now to so many people who definitely won't take it as seriously as you do. Tesla doesn't even deserve your data at this point, but the rest of us who share the road with their users definitely appreciate your tenacity. And your courage, because, even though it seems improved, I couldn't handle this stress.
"Why the hell did you just slam on the brakes, Tasla?" 10:30 This is very clearly why: Beta is not intelligent, it doesn't understand it's surrounding but only checks a few parameters (like where is the road, where are obstacles, where is my path, pedestrians, other vehicles and their paths) and now comes something that Beta can interpret at best as obstacle/blockage: a sidewise crossing tram. Beta doesn't know at all what a tram is and where trams go (on rails, sometimes crossing with the right of way then) but thinks this is a bus (not on street, then blocking your path) and Beta looses all ideas where to go now (twice the blue line in front of the Teslamodell on screen disappears), so, completely clueless where to go and how to deal with the "blocking" bus it just wants to give up and stop. And as Beta never took into account the danger of rear ending cars... so why not stopping. The flashing red waring singns maybe also caused confusion. Because this sign explains the situation with the tram, if you are intelligent and understand your surrounding.
I’m glad you mentioned flashing lights, some phantom braking takes place in tunnels and a lot of tunnels I’ve seen have flashing lights for things like slow down for wet roadways or ongoing road maintenance work, etc…
Technically in our state, once your front tires cross the white line, you are legally in the intersection and made the yellow light. Therefore, the Tesla enters the intersection 4 seconds before red. It does go awfully slow though
Over 400,000 people have the "beta" installed on their car and can turn it on daily. Not exactly what some might call "limited release" per say. But yes, it is a beta for liability purposes.
4:12 the speed limit sign was 25 miles per hour and you were going 30pmh Fsd beta sucks and makes alot of mistakes it should only be like 5k for current feature and then another plan to get other updates down the road
good video but it would help to take a snapshot of every mistake FSD makes so the team can fix it rather than just saying it’s bad and not reporting it.
@@AIAddict is it for certain models? or actually for all models? I swear i seen AI DRIVR taking snapshots in his newer videos. If they did that’s actually bad. But I wouldn’t doubt you with how bad the newest update looks. Lots of things FSD should be getting right is going horrible while things it shouldn’t be good at yet is doing fine, basically 1 step forwards 2 steps back. Nonetheless still good content bro. Too many people riding Tesla for everything but the bad stuff goes unseen.
@@AIAddict With how much I know about them you’d think I would LOL. Just a dream car for now hopefully gonna be my next car if I manage everything correctly haha.
@@ilostmystims they are fantastic cars! I might hate on the self driving a lot but I do really enjoy the car outside of the software. With current price drops and rebates, I hope you can get your butt into a Tesla sooner than later! :)
Interesting to see the difference a year makes. Those are hard roads still impressive. You can’t compare cruise with this ( if you map a small place in HD and have an off board computer centre select your route. Cruise is like a dog in its back yard. Tesla is like a teenager free to go where ever it wants!
Hi, I don't like how you change the destination every 2 minutes. Not only does this confuse the car but it also takes your eyes off the road. Please consider planning routes of 1 to 3 miles and then parking the car before changing the route. Otherwise you will have another accident !
Hi Will, I appreciate your advice. I will consider this when possible. Sadly, everything here is a grid, so unless I change the route constantly then you will just be watching me drive in a 3 mile straight line with 1 turn at the start or end. Additionally, it’s a good way to discover bugs.
Tesla needs to drive with more intent. The lack of decision points that results the car slowly creeping over the rail, which isn't right. Has Tesla mapped every road restriction? Or are they in real time, making assessments? Like visually your only clue are the burried rails. There are no signs for cars (at least from our vantage). (Maybe I missed the sign but you could imagine someone driving around San Jose without a clue they in a rail only lanes.)
@@AIAddict so if someone removed all signs from a road that is oneway, a FSD Tesla could route illegally onto this stretch? Or is that meta data based on the map data?
If you stick people in a situation where they have never driven along the road I'm betting you would get a large amount of them that would yes pull into the bus lane (because it's not clearly marked you need to go into the far lane) and the rail line lane. Also the phantom break looks like the no right turn red light triggered it. I still think you were irresponsible in the bollard crash; and think someone who works for Tesla and claiming to work for it in a video talking about it should be fired for such careless use
Great video to allow Tesla to learn from, which will improve the product. Can you do the same route in the dry (this will test if it is a visual issue or a interpretation issue.). You mentioned $19k for FSD which is not correct by 26% 😅. At the end of the video you drove in the bus lane for an extended period matching FSD yet you criticised FSD……..😂. you said “if there was a car there it would have hit it”………. Eh?……. Doesn’t make sense. I like your proactive negative approach as it weeding out the challenges, keep up the videos 👍
The car seems to be a much better driver than you are. No signals, abrupt lane changes and complaining about it going the speed limit. I know your bitter about getting canned by Tesla, dude please don’t drive https 6:45 .
Video is really nice, stress test is really nice, but you comment in a really negative attitude... BTW: is there any court case for you being sacked from Tesla? 11:40 It's called beta. It's definitely not PROD level and as your passenger correctly noticeses earlier 11:00 - you have to be constantly ready to take over. This is precisely what is written when you try to enable the system for the 1st time... 4:09 Tesla followed speed limit, you didn't even notice and you bash on it for that... Additionaly the light to turn left was red anyway, so you'd just get to it fast, over speed limit and then would be waiting on it anyway 4:30 - this light was visible from a far, I think it didn't take it in the account, but in the future it could and it would be a good thing. The best thing for traffic in the city is not speed, but smooth flow.
there's a word advanced drivers use for that scenario. it's called 'lane discipline'. and everybody has to respect it. it shouldnt do that just because a car wasnt there... if that was a real person driving me I'd be worried that they might be a retard.
I wonder when Elon will admit that to himself and finally add additional sensors instead of constantly removing them for “cost savings” 🤦🏼♂️ Everyone else sees it.
Your perceived frustration towards Tesla raises concerns about your impartiality when it comes to evaluating FSD. Yelling at a vehicle won't contribute to improving the software. I haven't seen you reporting any errors. The video was unpleasant to watch, not because of the FSD itself, but rather due to the your aggressive demeanor. Tesla was justified in removing you as a beta tester. However, now that FSD has been widely released, you have the opportunity to utilize it again.
Lmao... listening to you talk makes me think you're insanely unqualified to talk about this. Okay so it couldn't deal with the railroad tracks... it's in beta. There is no way it will know every single traffic condition perfectly yet.
Listening to you makes me certain you're a mindless Tesla/Elon fanboy. John gave them this data a year ago; he's just remarking that it's a pretty big (as in, this is a great way to get people hurt or killed) issue to still have. He also said several times that it did perform much better than last year, because it definitely did, as his videos show. But you only see and hear what you want.
yeah, not sure why they kept hiking up the price as if full release was around the corner... they've just screwed themselves cause no one is paying 15k for this crap.. 7k for a beta was almost reasonable..
As it stands right now, FSD will cause more accidents than it prevents in situations that differ from the norm (and possibly otherwise). It's not enough for the Tesla to avoid colliding with people and objects (which is a MUST!) - FSD must also behave in a predictable manner so that pedestrians and other drivers are not put in compromising & dangerous positions that result in consequential accidents. I strongly suspect that Tesla's data gathering excludes the havoc FSD leaves in its wake from the indecision & erratic maneuvers witnessed in this video. This is NOT a hate rant...it is a reality check for ALL self-driving developers.
I mean, as the driver you are suppose to drive the car, it is not completely autonomous and that is a known fact. Treating the car like it is fully autonomous, is that the users fault or the software?
@@AIAddict I suppose you can try to continue to chase that dream. But, is that the reality of the current software? It has never been fully released and implemented, that's why you shouldn't just take someone's word for something until you have seen it in action for yourself.
It's just scary seeing you drive that thing like that. I ride a bike and skateboard to commute to work and school. I think you are more than capable to control the car without assistance. As for those who may have limited accessibility, a feature or service like this makes more sense.
@@joshknight1620 I think you misunderstand the point of these videos. I’m very well aware the technology isn’t there yet. I make this content to educate others so they do not make the same mistakes. I constantly meet people who buy a Tesla and on day 1 think it’s a robot taxi. This video is to show them it’s not.
The vehicles front tires enter the intersection 4 seconds before the light turns red. No red light was run in that instance. But it did stay in the intersection for far too long!
Tesla “messed up” my HR documents and asked me to take an unpaid leave while they fixed it (despite having worked there for 18 months). I filmed the video during this time. I tried to reach out to Tesla but they blocked me from Mattermost, Outlook, Internal Tools, phone books, etc. that would have allowed to me share these findings with them. I attempted to share my finding but Tesla blocked every channel of communication I had to do so. Therefore, I made it public.
AI addict, after reading through your answers to the comments I have come to the conclusion that you are biased against the system: "After using this software for 2 years, working for Tesla Autopilot and seeing no progress I have to conclude the product is a joke." Don't necessarily agree with their decision to fire you, however this feels more like vengeance than research. Perhaps after some time you will realize this and remove this burden of vengeance from your shoulders, forgive Tesla, and move on. All the best my friend!!!;)
Hi Michael, when I got on my car yesterday to start this test I had all the hope in the world it would go well. I purposely did not drive in a vehicle with Autopilot or FSD for an entirely year (not entirely by choice tho). After a year off, I decided to give the Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Surely after 365 days and billions of $$ later the technology has advanced, right? Well I can safely say, the system let me down. It was horrible. I even tried to be nice with the car off camera. I saw more progress in my first 3 months in 2021 than I have over the past 1 year of 2022. I want it to work, I really do! I have personally spent around 2,600 hours programming this tech for Tesla. My legit blood and sweat have been poured into this company and software. Yet… after a year of looking the other way, I must admit I see very little progress since before I was fired. This conclusion was not made by emotion but instead by looking at the hard facts laid in front of me. P.S I have driven in Level 4 self driving vehicles and the Tesla is terrifying in comparison
@@AIAddict Are the L4 self-driving vehicles you mentioned Cruise? They were asked by the government to scale back their deployment in SF, weren't they? Anyway, I got their invite and am going to personally try their technologies soon.
@@groccy Cruise actually works alongside SF to find middle grounds between expansion and safety. They recently expanded to Austin Texas and Arizona. I know there have been a few issues with cruise vehicles getting stuck but the majority of the rides appear to function as planned. There main issue is coming to a safe stop and waiting for an operator to help. Whereas a Tesla would just run right into the obstacle usually
I am pretty sure, EVERYBODY who watches these videos, wants to see many funny fails of the system and crazy situations, and AT THE SAME TIME everybody wants to see big improvements that were "mindblowing", cause this would be just cool, if it would work crazily well and futuristic. But the improvements are small and everybody is always a bit disappointed, ALSO all of them, who praise the improvements each time so much. The truth behind all that is maybe like always a mixed bag, the generally very hard task slows the improvements down, as well as unexpected problems based on the complexity of our reality, but also strategic mistakes at the development center of Tesla, maybe some concrete mistakes at the design of Beta or in the management guide lines or their decision making, also how much man power Tesla has there in reality (= speed of development, I heard some guys had suddenly to work for all other projects). Any mistakes wherever shows up sooner or later drastically in such a product like Beta.
I concur. Especially that he has to know that beta means exactly "not production ready" yet he seems extremely surprised by it every time it fails at anything. I knew something about his commentary was off before I realized he got fired.
It's not necessarily trash, but it's not something anyone should have to pay for, in my opinion. What it's being asked to do is a very complex interconnected matrix of tasks that will require tons of input from testers like John. It doesn't help that Tesla refuses to even consider integrating LiDAR until their ambitious vision-based method has enough data to be safe in non-professional drivers' control (yes, supposedly it's about cost, I know). It's very much not something I want the average driver using all the time, not while I'm on the road, nor anyone I care about.
See you just don't get it you didn't have it for a year and you got to remember that the system gets trained by your inputs and you are probably the only person who drove in that area so of course it going to be bad if you didn't let that crash happened a year ago and you had access yeah it would be better. So keep doing those turns and it will get better over the next few software updates. And always take over before a crash happens. Keep doing the turn at 13: 51 because by constantly taking over the car will get it over a few updates
Hi Michael, I used to work at Tesla Autopilot. That is not at all how the system learns. All the learning is done by manual human labeling on a computer going through lots of data and video clips. The car does not learn to drive on itself or get better on its own. Only a software update and a newer differently trained NN will change the results. However, by running the run again and again, I might be able to give data to engineers to label :)
@@AIAddict ok so I got a question about FSD Beta I want to get it right. Is it true that they have a priority system for disengaging so for example stock disengaging is the lowest and should be only use if you want to go another way or at the end of a drive. And you should use the steering wheel or the break to disengage when the car does something wrong it's nice to talk to you about this stuff to check on the facts
@@AIAddict then wow that is a lot of work to go through all of disengages to go through but they probably have a way to sort through those automatically
@@mthuhn They do not go through disengagements or customer data. They have internal cars known as GTM vehicles that collect Lidar and camera data. They then have humans label the LiDAR and camera data to train the NN. Yes, Tesla uses Lidar. Just not on customer vehicles.
Is great to have you back! Having a 12 months break between videos helps us see the progress (or lack thereof).
I have mix feelings because I see progress, but it also keeps making mistakes that are inexcusable at this stage.
Why inexcusable at this stage? It’s like you know or have some sort of expectation for a service - this is one of a kind, never been done before in 4 billion years, most other car makers can’t do it, try to do it and fail or are going down an unsustainable path (cruise, waymo) - 10 years ago it was considered “impossible” to implement a generalised solution, now “expectations” are so high …… FYI - it’s a BETA software product.
@@Kick9494 well they do sell the product and it is wide release, and they do charge money for it and they do recognize a big chunk of that money as income. And they sold it under the illusion that it would be ready in 2020, then 2021, then 2022. Now it's 2023 and it keeps driving into train tracks, over curbs and almost getting you rear ended for no reason.
And it has been done before, look at Waymo and Cruise. But of course they use maps and Tesla refuses to do that, they rather drive in the wrong lane 🤷🏻♂
@@frangalarza “Keeps” doing things as you describe is not an accurate representation of usage. It is specific user experience on specific roads, in specific conditions - Does it need work, yes, but don’t extrapolate a use case across all user experiences. It is an innovative approach to develop the system with end users and it has its risks. It is widely delayed from original expectations. It is remarkable that some (which can be a lot) of people, expect magic. It is Beta software and it is delayed and it is very disappointing but it will revolutionise our lives across the world 🌎
@@Kick9494 Go watch the videos in this channel from more than a year ago. They're the same mistakes. That it keeps doing. That's what I'm saying.
Like it's driving over the damn curb. And a year went by and they didn't fix it. Who's to say they're gonna fix it anytime soon? What's the excuse for not fixing it? That's what I mean with inexcusable.
@@frangalarza - Let’s first agree that Tesla will defo want to fix the problem. It’s safe to say that they are throwing the best minds in world at it. There is no reason not to fix it, therefore we can summarise to say that rather than fix a specific problem, they are working on the foundations to allow the car to manage ANY reasonable scenario (this being one of them). Therefore they are not trying to fix a car going over the kerb, they are trying to teach it how to view, interpret and act. Us mere mortals can’t even comprehend this approach, or understand it - just look at one of their Schematics of the decision engine and data input handling - we don’t have a prayer 🙏
I've missed these test videos, thanks for the upload!
You’re welcome! We just need to hope, as a community, that Elon does not ban my car from receiving updates again!
I’ll keep the videos coming as long as I have access!
ar 4 mins I agree the car cut across the yellow lines on the left turn, but if there WAS a car waiting it would not have t-boned it, it would have made a wider turn to avoid it. Ben in that situation many times with FSDb.
ChatGPT would know what a road looks like 🤷♂️😳
That’s too funny, your comments always make me laugh! Keep it up! 🤣
Tesla‘s FSD should ask ChatGPT for advice in hairy situations.
Chocolate Rain ?
completely different ai model, but funny
@10:35, seems you weren't paying attention to the road signs. The car stopped when it saw the red lights
Not true liar.
c'mon man he said you'll gonna buy one of these and in 2023 your car will eran money for you LMAO
Correction: he said (in 2018) the car will earn you money by being a Robotaxi in the year 2020… 3 years late and I still don’t see it happening 🤣
@@AIAddict oh LOL yeah so technically we can expect it to be anything close to it in like 2025 I guess, anyway I'm pretty sure they'll start to 'cheat' on their ai since other manufacturers are doing better (cheating or not)
@@nixulescu9399 Tesla has already been proven to lying about FSD...from their original filing in the US for the approval, the car ran a pre programmed route with all of the controls pre programmed, nothing about it was self driving. it was like coding a video game car to do a loop over and over. A big lie.
Interesting video highlighting the short-comings of the FSD. It seems like FSD does fairly well with simple situations in smaller towns and simple roadways (like the Chuck Cook videos), but really struggles in cities with more complex intersections, bus lanes, bike lanes etc. I definitely enjoy watching both the successes and failures of our current technology and watching as it gets better over time. Hopefully Tesla is able to use videos like this to improve their FSD in the years to come.
Chuck has it right - the unprotected left turn was hazardous. They sent a team out to investigate and came up with a solution of sorts. His is a real world case - but there are probably thousands of examples of his turn - with variables as to if there is an island or a divider. It’s a basic turn which should have been addressed a long time ago.
I haven’t seen much content from Boston or other older cities where the roads were built on horse paths - narrow roads. Odd intersections. Sometimes sideways streetlights. Odd angles for intersections.
The right turn from Hillsdale Ave onto Cherry Ave is a "fun" one to try as well. Car either wants to go into the other lane or crash into the bollards on the weird bike lane.
I take this turn nearly every day when going to Zanotto’s! I’ll give it a try lol
3:40 would NOT have been a T-bone. The car would see the path more clearly and the ambiguity on the reflective ground would be weighted less and easily route around a car.
Regardless, it drove over a double solid line. That’s enough reasonable cause to be pulled over for suspected DUI in my state.
@@AIAddict I live 2 blocks from that exact spot and we drive like that without issue. Just wait for a sharks game to let out and watch it happen every time
Also you complaining about it going close to the speed limit when "humans" drive crazy fast kind of negates this point, right? Can't complain that the car doesn't break the law when convenient for you and then complain that it crosses double yellow lines when no car is around.. Lol
exactly many humans also cut like this if there is no car... I dont see a problem with that move :D
It‘s astounding given the publicity your videos created 1 year ago that Tesla haven‘t attempted to fix the problems at these San José downtown locations in particular.
thats not how AI works, you dont just "fix" certain areas, that would be the way with lidar and pre scanned roads. They attempt to improve the system in a way that it understands the Enviroment. This is not an easy Task obviously not even Humans can handle that. Put someone who never driven in any big city into a 4-5 lane situation and they will drive like FSD or even worse. There is no other System available which does even close as good ( exclude all systems which require pre scanned roads )
@@kenion2166 you fix it by collecting training data from this area in particular. This is how Tesla fixed Chuck Cook’s left turn.
@@kenion2166 They did it for Chuck's turn.
For some reason Tesla is extremely resistant to giving FSD any kind of memory or pre-programming of the roadways ahead. That seems very counterintuitive that it has to completely figure out like a new driver every time it goes around a corner. It should be able to remember and learn what a particular roadway is like just like a human does. Not just always try to figure it out each time it goes around the corner.
Very interesting point I did not consider
Wasn't that a big feature they boasted about a couple of years ago? Wouldn't suprise me if they removed it, like they did with radars.
I think it’s because that’s how humans drive when they are in an area they’ve never driven before. That is the bar Tesla wants to reach, human level performance in ALL scenarios. Then, they might introduce things like memory to improve performance. If you introduce those things too early you use them as a crutch, masking poor performance in the fundamentals of the systems.
Not to mention being resistant to LiDAR or other solutions and just relying on machine vision. Detailed maps providing input would also seem useful.
@@eukaryote-prime they would be useful but will be extremely costly at the scale Tesla is targeting. Far too expensive in fact. Waymo has been doing that for years and not really getting anywhere in terms of commercial viability.
Great to finally have you back! Can’t wait to see how it does on the road with that bollard!
Honestly, this video brings up a lot of great, complex conditions that are nice to see tested. It's a shame there's so much clearly negative bias here. So many user mistakes and misunderstandings blamed on the car that make this more of a trash Tesla video than an objective test.
There was a lot of jumping to conclusions and a general lack of knowledge of what situation the car was dealing with. The car was actually following the speed limit, the car stopped because it reached its destination, the car braked (admittedly too hard) because of the tram and how the road and no right turn sign came into view, etc.
I really hate to bring it up, but it looks like being fired from Tesla is very relevant to this video. This does not scream professionalism. The intro itself shows what the channel is about now. Hate to see it.
God I forgot how much I hate driving in SJ! Thank you for risking your life!
10:30 Re: Phantom Braking ... was it confused the lighted no-right-turn sign? Because the fender camera video was up it was hard to tell if something showed up on the screen.
Honestly, I could not tell myself. It was all a bit jarring
FSD is like "ohh, god, ouu, wooo, ehhh, ahhh, owww, holy"
As far as I remember there was this promis years ago that the Teslas would use swarm intelligence so e.g. if many cars go on clear traces through intersections etc., the Teslas would immedialtely get these informations and because of that would go very precisely on certain traces on difficult roads or intersections. Logical, because we do this too, we look where the locals go through huge unclear intersections, and follow if it feels somehow logical. Beta: "Shut up. I make my own world based on vision only."
Never seen a behaviour that shows this swarm intelligence. At least going across curbes is a proof that Beta learns not the precise traces from other cars.
Anyway I don't understand, why Beta is taking turns always weather super flat or very wide, rarely going a very simple bow.
I've been shadow banned, striked, censored, deleted... I can totally imagine a corporation cancelling services for an EV owners car for posting wrong think or "misinformation"
We’re getting into the black mirror age lol
Do you think you could mount a rear facing camera so that the viewers can see what's going on behind you? Like especially for some extra context during the time the car almost rear ended you in this video. Honestly it doesn't even have to be a good camera, could just be an old cell phone since you could just have it be a small section towards the top of the screen that appears similar to an actual rear view mirror (:
We can easily make this possible. It’s never been needed but after todays video it wouldn’t hurt to have
I am happy to see You back on track. Keep Tesla sweating for their money LOL
@4:05 is Woz street named in honour of Steve Wozniak?
@9:24 in Philly they have trolly tracks down Girard avenue that is for both cars and trolleys. If I was not from the area l, I'd probably make the same mistake.
Thanks for the video! It would make me less nervous if you didn't interact with the touch screen to change the route while FSD is active. That thing could kill at any time 😬
Agreed, being aware of my surroundings is the most important part of any FSD test
What does the map data say about the railroad track where it fails? I wonder if the map data is unusual. Maybe it's registered as one big wide road with a middle bus lane.
Since FSD uses Google Maps, does the Mao program show the bus/train lane?
FSD does not use Goggle Maps ... but Lidar does.
Why isn't Tesla watching this channel to fix the problems? 😳
Tesla actually banned this channel from having access to their software for an entire year instead of fixing the issues
whac-a-moling a self-driving solution will never work.
Did you pass by the building which the red painted circle confused the car into thinking it was a stop sign? Did that get fixed?
I think that the flashing red caution sign for the train confused the car into thinking that it was a stop signal of some sort - when the car phantom brakes and you almost got rear ended.
Interesting in seeing you do this same test in dryer conditions and see if it performs any better. The reflection from the ground could (I guess) confusion a vision only based system. It certainly did not “learn” from its mistakes as it made the same mistake back to back (driving up the train path).
How come Omar never has these problems? Are they fixing his tests in by scanning his path in advance giving his car a training advantage or is he just lucky?
1) Yes the building with red sign has been fixed
2) car performs exactly the same in rain or dry
3) Omar is a close to Elon. He edits his content to appear better than it is
haha your intro montage video is a classic 🤣
Glad you think so! I’ve been sitting on that montage for a full year. Finally pulled the trigger to use it lol
The phantom brake was because of the blinking no right turn light. So it wasn't a phantom brake.
thats still a phantom brake, misinterpretation braking is phantom braking.
because phantom braking is false detection of an object/anticipated collision and hitting the brakes.
it's not rocket science.
@@Jupa it's harder than rocket science. Collection fleet data and building a model to train so a car can drive using 8 cameras only. The car wanted to go right but the flashing red light was like a stop sign. It's had to stop. The only option was to go straight but I don't think the car sees a different better a flashing red no right turn light and a flashing red light yet.
you got the beta fsd videos. keep em coming bro
More to come I promise!
you got beta back !!
We did!!! Although shall we put a guess in to see how long before they take it away again?
2:22 Re: "harder time" I mean the GPS won't route --- tip is to set/add way points to force a particular route.
That’s a good idea, add multiple pins in one route. That didn’t exist a year ago when I tested. This will help a lot
Please try it again when the roads are dry? I wonder if it is struggling to determine the lanes…
It is interesting to watch these videos and the amazing contrast in the evaluation of other FSD "Testers".
I’m surprised how far other RUclipsrs go to “sugar coat” their experiences
@@AIAddict And it is greatly appreciated. By the way, I subscribed... 👍👍
You should try and make a non-biased video about V12.4 now ;)
Check out our second to latest video of v12 on Highway 17!
Did Tesla ban your vehicle because of the vids?
Correct! Tesla banned my car for videos I created in Feb of 2022. Video is linked in description
Didn’t they switch to camera only based detection since you last used FSD? Do you think that has influenced much of the issues here?
I drove a Tesla 3 non FSD because I’m UK and even it’s normal cruise and lane keep assist noticeably worsened since the camera detection switch. To the point I couldn’t wait to return it.
I believe Tesla is performing similar to how it did a year ago using full sensors. However, I believe they have it their current limitations without sensors
Thanks for getting back on that horse, John. I don't know how long it will take to get blocked again, or sued, or who knows what they want to try next, but all I can say is, I'm terrified that this is available now to so many people who definitely won't take it as seriously as you do. Tesla doesn't even deserve your data at this point, but the rest of us who share the road with their users definitely appreciate your tenacity. And your courage, because, even though it seems improved, I couldn't handle this stress.
Hello, I appreciate your words.
"Why the hell did you just slam on the brakes, Tasla?" 10:30 This is very clearly why: Beta is not intelligent, it doesn't understand it's surrounding but only checks a few parameters (like where is the road, where are obstacles, where is my path, pedestrians, other vehicles and their paths) and now comes something that Beta can interpret at best as obstacle/blockage: a sidewise crossing tram. Beta doesn't know at all what a tram is and where trams go (on rails, sometimes crossing with the right of way then) but thinks this is a bus (not on street, then blocking your path) and Beta looses all ideas where to go now (twice the blue line in front of the Teslamodell on screen disappears), so, completely clueless where to go and how to deal with the "blocking" bus it just wants to give up and stop. And as Beta never took into account the danger of rear ending cars... so why not stopping. The flashing red waring singns maybe also caused confusion. Because this sign explains the situation with the tram, if you are intelligent and understand your surrounding.
All very good points made
Dude am I f blind or did I see a literal “do not turn right” sign flashing and car didn’t turn right?
I’m glad you mentioned flashing lights, some phantom braking takes place in tunnels and a lot of tunnels I’ve seen have flashing lights for things like slow down for wet roadways or ongoing road maintenance work, etc…
every tesla have auto correct when you go out of lane, or only the fsd have this
“👁️🫦👁️I don’t know why it stopped at a bus stop”
That’s where you put the destination at 😒 to stop 🙄.
I'm curious was Kaparthy lost faith in FSD and left? Always this is my thought but not sure
Not sure, Karpathy and I left Tesla around similar times. It was widely known internally that the current approach was failed
Can cruise drive in your city?
It is not currently deployed in San Jose but it is deployed in San Francisco, Austin and Phoenix
I'm pretty sure bec it hesitated on the yellow it ran a red on one of those streets?
Technically in our state, once your front tires cross the white line, you are legally in the intersection and made the yellow light. Therefore, the Tesla enters the intersection 4 seconds before red. It does go awfully slow though
I would never turn that thing on. I would rather crawl to my destination.
Honestly, same here. I turn it on only for the videos.
🤔 Maybe the Tesla wants to be a train 🤷♂🤣
That would be really cute 😂
You don't have to be so biased. The video speaks for itself.
I appreciate the advise, you’re right. I could dial it back a good amount for the next one.
“This is not production level”
Isn’t the product beta?
Over 400,000 people have the "beta" installed on their car and can turn it on daily. Not exactly what some might call "limited release" per say. But yes, it is a beta for liability purposes.
So that’s what you get for 15k?
Yup, kinda hard to believe, huh?
I have a fiesta that I bought for 2k about 2 yrs ago... I still use it as a daily.
wow
9:12 inb4 banned again for showing how incapable the """full self driving""" system still is, lol. good video
Thank you!
4:12 the speed limit sign was 25 miles per hour and you were going 30pmh Fsd beta sucks and makes alot of mistakes it should only be like 5k for current feature and then another plan to get other updates down the road
good video but it would help to take a snapshot of every mistake FSD makes so the team can fix it rather than just saying it’s bad and not reporting it.
Tesla took away the ability to report several months ago
@@AIAddict is it for certain models? or actually for all models? I swear i seen AI DRIVR taking snapshots in his newer videos. If they did that’s actually bad. But I wouldn’t doubt you with how bad the newest update looks. Lots of things FSD should be getting right is going horrible while things it shouldn’t be good at yet is doing fine, basically 1 step forwards 2 steps back. Nonetheless still good content bro. Too many people riding Tesla for everything but the bad stuff goes unseen.
@@ilostmystims do you own a Tesla?
With introduction of 10.69 series the snapshot icon was removed. btw I appreciate the comments!
@@AIAddict With how much I know about them you’d think I would LOL. Just a dream car for now hopefully gonna be my next car if I manage everything correctly haha.
@@ilostmystims they are fantastic cars! I might hate on the self driving a lot but I do really enjoy the car outside of the software. With current price drops and rebates, I hope you can get your butt into a Tesla sooner than later! :)
Interesting to see the difference a year makes. Those are hard roads still impressive.
You can’t compare cruise with this ( if you map a small place in HD and have an off board computer centre select your route.
Cruise is like a dog in its back yard.
Tesla is like a teenager free to go where ever it wants!
This “teenager” really does feel free to go anywhere it wants, including down a rail road track lol
5:55 it literally stopped at the destination in gps
Hence why I correct my statement by saying “oh sorry that was user error not Teslas”. Good catch though
Hi, I don't like how you change the destination every 2 minutes. Not only does this confuse the car but it also takes your eyes off the road.
Please consider planning routes of 1 to 3 miles and then parking the car before changing the route. Otherwise you will have another accident !
Hi Will,
I appreciate your advice. I will consider this when possible.
Sadly, everything here is a grid, so unless I change the route constantly then you will just be watching me drive in a 3 mile straight line with 1 turn at the start or end.
Additionally, it’s a good way to discover bugs.
Tesla needs to drive with more intent. The lack of decision points that results the car slowly creeping over the rail, which isn't right.
Has Tesla mapped every road restriction? Or are they in real time, making assessments? Like visually your only clue are the burried rails. There are no signs for cars (at least from our vantage). (Maybe I missed the sign but you could imagine someone driving around San Jose without a clue they in a rail only lanes.)
Tesla reacts in real time as far as I’m aware
@@AIAddict so if someone removed all signs from a road that is oneway, a FSD Tesla could route illegally onto this stretch? Or is that meta data based on the map data?
You know it’s a beta version not a finished production version.
As for cruise , it can’t drive in 99.999% of places so it’s fairly pointless
If you stick people in a situation where they have never driven along the road I'm betting you would get a large amount of them that would yes pull into the bus lane (because it's not clearly marked you need to go into the far lane) and the rail line lane.
Also the phantom break looks like the no right turn red light triggered it.
I still think you were irresponsible in the bollard crash; and think someone who works for Tesla and claiming to work for it in a video talking about it should be fired for such careless use
Great video to allow Tesla to learn from, which will improve the product. Can you do the same route in the dry (this will test if it is a visual issue or a interpretation issue.). You mentioned $19k for FSD which is not correct by 26% 😅. At the end of the video you drove in the bus lane for an extended period matching FSD yet you criticised FSD……..😂. you said “if there was a car there it would have hit it”………. Eh?……. Doesn’t make sense. I like your proactive negative approach as it weeding out the challenges, keep up the videos 👍
The car seems to be a much better driver than you are. No signals, abrupt lane changes and complaining about it going the speed limit. I know your bitter about getting canned by Tesla, dude please don’t drive https 6:45 .
Video is really nice, stress test is really nice, but you comment in a really negative attitude... BTW: is there any court case for you being sacked from Tesla?
11:40 It's called beta. It's definitely not PROD level and as your passenger correctly noticeses earlier 11:00 - you have to be constantly ready to take over.
This is precisely what is written when you try to enable the system for the 1st time...
4:09 Tesla followed speed limit, you didn't even notice and you bash on it for that... Additionaly the light to turn left was red anyway, so you'd just get to it fast, over speed limit and then would be waiting on it anyway 4:30 - this light was visible from a far, I think it didn't take it in the account, but in the future it could and it would be a good thing. The best thing for traffic in the city is not speed, but smooth flow.
If there was a vehicle there on the left turn it would not have T-boned them. It only does that when there is no car.
Here me out… wild idea… maybe it shouldn’t do it regardless of a car being there or not?
there's a word advanced drivers use for that scenario. it's called 'lane discipline'. and everybody has to respect it. it shouldnt do that just because a car wasnt there... if that was a real person driving me I'd be worried that they might be a retard.
At some point you just have to give up and accept the fact it doesn't work.....
I wonder when Elon will admit that to himself and finally add additional sensors instead of constantly removing them for “cost savings” 🤦🏼♂️
Everyone else sees it.
@@AIAddict imagine buying the brain chip from this guy ahahah
I’d be terrified to let that man into my brain
Can you please take an IQ test and show at the start of every video? Just so everybody knows what type of person is giving us these reviews👍🏼
Your perceived frustration towards Tesla raises concerns about your impartiality when it comes to evaluating FSD. Yelling at a vehicle won't contribute to improving the software. I haven't seen you reporting any errors. The video was unpleasant to watch, not because of the FSD itself, but rather due to the your aggressive demeanor. Tesla was justified in removing you as a beta tester. However, now that FSD has been widely released, you have the opportunity to utilize it again.
It’s out right unsafe
well that's one way to get your car banned again
We will have to wait and see 🤪
Lmao... listening to you talk makes me think you're insanely unqualified to talk about this. Okay so it couldn't deal with the railroad tracks... it's in beta. There is no way it will know every single traffic condition perfectly yet.
Listening to you makes me certain you're a mindless Tesla/Elon fanboy. John gave them this data a year ago; he's just remarking that it's a pretty big (as in, this is a great way to get people hurt or killed) issue to still have. He also said several times that it did perform much better than last year, because it definitely did, as his videos show. But you only see and hear what you want.
thats a $25k software update please
yeah, not sure why they kept hiking up the price as if full release was around the corner... they've just screwed themselves cause no one is paying 15k for this crap.. 7k for a beta was almost reasonable..
Agreed
@@Grauenwolf except that since October 2021, it's been officially called the FSD beta program..
The issue is your poorly designed streets. They look as bad as the New York streets.
Elon should have considered that when he promised a finished product 3 years ago lol
@@AIAddicttrue
As it stands right now, FSD will cause more accidents than it prevents in situations that differ from the norm (and possibly otherwise). It's not enough for the Tesla to avoid colliding with people and objects (which is a MUST!) - FSD must also behave in a predictable manner so that pedestrians and other drivers are not put in compromising & dangerous positions that result in consequential accidents. I strongly suspect that Tesla's data gathering excludes the havoc FSD leaves in its wake from the indecision & erratic maneuvers witnessed in this video. This is NOT a hate rant...it is a reality check for ALL self-driving developers.
13:52 if didn't tell me you should not drive there i would drive as well like tesla
Classic mistake for non locals to be honest
At least they pay you 200$ a month to beta test.
This is embarrassing
An utter embarrassment to say the least. This software has been in development for 5 years now…
I mean, as the driver you are suppose to drive the car, it is not completely autonomous and that is a known fact. Treating the car like it is fully autonomous, is that the users fault or the software?
I mean I was advertised a Fully Self Driving vehicle and my own profitable Robotaxi fleet in 2020 by Elon why I purchased my car ☠️🤷🏼♂️
@@AIAddict I suppose you can try to continue to chase that dream. But, is that the reality of the current software? It has never been fully released and implemented, that's why you shouldn't just take someone's word for something until you have seen it in action for yourself.
It's just scary seeing you drive that thing like that. I ride a bike and skateboard to commute to work and school. I think you are more than capable to control the car without assistance. As for those who may have limited accessibility, a feature or service like this makes more sense.
@@joshknight1620 I think you misunderstand the point of these videos. I’m very well aware the technology isn’t there yet. I make this content to educate others so they do not make the same mistakes.
I constantly meet people who buy a Tesla and on day 1 think it’s a robot taxi. This video is to show them it’s not.
@@joshknight1620 if this video scares you then your issue is with Tesla not me
Yippee, a year later it sucks a bit less! Save us Elon lol.
A full 365 days and billions of dollars of innovation later, yet they still have nothing to show for it. Smh.
Hell yeah smoked a pole. Gg pole no re
I like driving. I don't want to be driven by AI or software. Would not trade a tesla for my Manual 6cyl Turbo RWD Coupe that does 280kmh
What coupe do you drive?
I myself have a BMW 135i turbo 6 cycle RWD coupe. One of my favorite cars ever.
Wow! 135i, n55 2011
5:03 ran a red light
The vehicles front tires enter the intersection 4 seconds before the light turns red. No red light was run in that instance. But it did stay in the intersection for far too long!
why would you post the video if you were in the tesla team? or someone told you its ok?
obviously its a badd press for the company you work for...
Tesla “messed up” my HR documents and asked me to take an unpaid leave while they fixed it (despite having worked there for 18 months).
I filmed the video during this time. I tried to reach out to Tesla but they blocked me from Mattermost, Outlook, Internal Tools, phone books, etc. that would have allowed to me share these findings with them.
I attempted to share my finding but Tesla blocked every channel of communication I had to do so. Therefore, I made it public.
So old video
Video was filmed 7 days ago.. not that old?
@@AIAddict I mean the intro i guess
AI addict, after reading through your answers to the comments I have come to the conclusion that you are biased against the system: "After using this software for 2 years, working for Tesla Autopilot and seeing no progress I have to conclude the product is a joke." Don't necessarily agree with their decision to fire you, however this feels more like vengeance than research. Perhaps after some time you will realize this and remove this burden of vengeance from your shoulders, forgive Tesla, and move on. All the best my friend!!!;)
Hi Michael, when I got on my car yesterday to start this test I had all the hope in the world it would go well.
I purposely did not drive in a vehicle with Autopilot or FSD for an entirely year (not entirely by choice tho).
After a year off, I decided to give the Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Surely after 365 days and billions of $$ later the technology has advanced, right?
Well I can safely say, the system let me down. It was horrible. I even tried to be nice with the car off camera. I saw more progress in my first 3 months in 2021 than I have over the past 1 year of 2022.
I want it to work, I really do! I have personally spent around 2,600 hours programming this tech for Tesla. My legit blood and sweat have been poured into this company and software.
Yet… after a year of looking the other way, I must admit I see very little progress since before I was fired.
This conclusion was not made by emotion but instead by looking at the hard facts laid in front of me.
P.S I have driven in Level 4 self driving vehicles and the Tesla is terrifying in comparison
@@AIAddict Are the L4 self-driving vehicles you mentioned Cruise? They were asked by the government to scale back their deployment in SF, weren't they? Anyway, I got their invite and am going to personally try their technologies soon.
@@groccy Cruise actually works alongside SF to find middle grounds between expansion and safety.
They recently expanded to Austin Texas and Arizona.
I know there have been a few issues with cruise vehicles getting stuck but the majority of the rides appear to function as planned.
There main issue is coming to a safe stop and waiting for an operator to help. Whereas a Tesla would just run right into the obstacle usually
I am pretty sure, EVERYBODY who watches these videos, wants to see many funny fails of the system and crazy situations, and AT THE SAME TIME everybody wants to see big improvements that were "mindblowing", cause this would be just cool, if it would work crazily well and futuristic. But the improvements are small and everybody is always a bit disappointed, ALSO all of them, who praise the improvements each time so much.
The truth behind all that is maybe like always a mixed bag, the generally very hard task slows the improvements down, as well as unexpected problems based on the complexity of our reality, but also strategic mistakes at the development center of Tesla, maybe some concrete mistakes at the design of Beta or in the management guide lines or their decision making, also how much man power Tesla has there in reality (= speed of development, I heard some guys had suddenly to work for all other projects). Any mistakes wherever shows up sooner or later drastically in such a product like Beta.
I concur. Especially that he has to know that beta means exactly "not production ready" yet he seems extremely surprised by it every time it fails at anything. I knew something about his commentary was off before I realized he got fired.
Looks like FSD Beta is trash.
It's not necessarily trash, but it's not something anyone should have to pay for, in my opinion. What it's being asked to do is a very complex interconnected matrix of tasks that will require tons of input from testers like John. It doesn't help that Tesla refuses to even consider integrating LiDAR until their ambitious vision-based method has enough data to be safe in non-professional drivers' control (yes, supposedly it's about cost, I know).
It's very much not something I want the average driver using all the time, not while I'm on the road, nor anyone I care about.
Yeah, it's dangerous AF. Surprised there haven't been more really bad crashes from it
But also it needs radar to prevent phantom braking. Otherwise it may never overcome it
Lol this video is riddled with bitter pettiness… hope you can get over the firing soon dude
I’m honestly more surprised that customers aren’t complaining that this was supposed to be feature complete in 2020
man, so much resentment
Meh, the product doesn’t operate as advertised when I bought it. What can I say?
See you just don't get it you didn't have it for a year and you got to remember that the system gets trained by your inputs and you are probably the only person who drove in that area so of course it going to be bad if you didn't let that crash happened a year ago and you had access yeah it would be better. So keep doing those turns and it will get better over the next few software updates. And always take over before a crash happens. Keep doing the turn at 13: 51 because by constantly taking over the car will get it over a few updates
Hi Michael, I used to work at Tesla Autopilot. That is not at all how the system learns.
All the learning is done by manual human labeling on a computer going through lots of data and video clips.
The car does not learn to drive on itself or get better on its own. Only a software update and a newer differently trained NN will change the results.
However, by running the run again and again, I might be able to give data to engineers to label :)
@@AIAddict ok so I got a question about FSD Beta I want to get it right. Is it true that they have a priority system for disengaging so for example stock disengaging is the lowest and should be only use if you want to go another way or at the end of a drive. And you should use the steering wheel or the break to disengage when the car does something wrong it's nice to talk to you about this stuff to check on the facts
As far as I am aware, disengaging the vehicle (whether brake or stock) should not matter. An accident is when the data matters.
@@AIAddict then wow that is a lot of work to go through all of disengages to go through but they probably have a way to sort through those automatically
@@mthuhn They do not go through disengagements or customer data.
They have internal cars known as GTM vehicles that collect Lidar and camera data. They then have humans label the LiDAR and camera data to train the NN.
Yes, Tesla uses Lidar. Just not on customer vehicles.