So right about Zeppelin. All four were incredible at their roles and each made huge contributions to the overall sound. Though widely respected, John Paul Jones is still probably one of the most underrated musicians in rock history.
Yes they were a true band, each member contributing to a powerful whole. When that broke down somewhat, on In Through the Out Door, some of their power dissipated.
I was around in the 1970s, and in all the music mag annual polls, LZ always ran away with it in every category, incl JPJ on bass. For my money, yes he was a very fine bass player, but I always thought him not so hot on piano. I have many LZ boots and of course NQ was in their set from '73-'79. JPJ seldom covered himself in glory on it, tbh.
Maybe not the greatest pianist, but I was speaking more from the standpoint of JPJ as the ultimate utility man. Whether we're talking some of the mandolin playing on IV, the recorders on Stairway, the string arrangements on Kashmir..... and those are just off the top of my head.
John Paul Jones suffers from being the least famous least well-recognised member of the greatest rock band of all time. Jones as always never seeking the limelight, but little known I'd be prone to say? Rather than underrated? Most musicologists will place Jones highly on their list of rocks greatest musicians - an utterly masterly musician / multi-instrumentalist indeed Sasser. 🎸ZOSO🤘🏻
jimmy page is a rare musical genius, he was not just a brilliant guitarist, but producer and sound engineer who had a vision for what he wanted a rock band to be and shaped zep in his image.
i agree with all said, but lets face it- the remastering of the Zeppelin albums I think these days, should be left in the hands of someone else. I think so much better can be done IMHO. With that said, to me some albums sound better than others.
The reason Jimmy kept switching producers is he did not wish the genius of the band's sound to be attributed to others. They were just good hires for capturing his direction as bandleader.
@@cmkilcullen8176Keep in mind he didn't have the best master tapes to work with. Quality then was nothing compared to today. Even though he tried to keep everything safe, some were damaged and some disappeared, leaving him with less Quality to work with. And at the end of the 🎉day, it was his babies, like the other commenter eluded too. so I don't think anyone in his position would have turned the project over to another party... T M L Z!
Absolutely. Page said that he was looking for four equals and the best of the best. And that's what he got. If I had to pick only one, Led Zeppelin is the best and my favorite rock and roll band of all time.
@@peterbartolomeo9574 I love Led Zeppelin, I would say Presence was their weakest album, they were humans and had their off times too. Jimmy Page got addicted to drugs and started to perform under the influence in concerts, the videos of those concerts show he was pretty messed up and made audible mistakes at some points having trouble standing, people paid to see them perform and he disappointed the audiences by not being up to the task.
I feel blessed being around during this period to see many of these bands live in concert. The Beatles last public performance at Candlestick Park in 66. Jimi Hendrix at his American debut at Monterey Pop Festival in 67. Went specifically to see the Paul Butterfield Blues Band play live, and on Sunday night this Black Dude who I & many other people had never heard of blew our collective minds. Only four months later, again to see Paul Butterfield Blues Band at the Filmore West in San Francisco, the opening band I'd never heard of blew my mind. Santana... two years before they released their first album. Led Zeppelin at Oakland Coliseum...the list goes on & on. What a great time to be alive!
@@tw364 i never had a crush on Page back then. I just liked him as a musician. my favorite love in the band was JPJ. he was and still is a precious gem to me. my sweet baby, a hero like in my life.
@@tw364 I know it's hip to call Page and Zeppelin thieves over the songwriting credits thing but they were getting their legal advice from their manager, Peter Grant who had already been doing the same thing as the manager of The Yardbirds. The members of Led Zeppelin were musicians, not lawyers.
Hendrix and Zeppelin have always been the very top of the Rock food chain. Both are my all time favs. I've covered them both on my channel and will again.
As guitar players, we all learn songs and riffs from our favorite players that are irresistible. That's how we all learn. We're worse at ripping off than politicians and lawyers!
Very true, Eddie vanhalen said he first heard tapping when he saw jimmy page do it. And then EVH took it to a whole different level. All great musicians stand on the shoulders of the ones that came before them.
@@donjohnston4215 that's different to like taking the main iconic riff from stairway to heaven and not even giving a writing credit. artists deserve intellectual property rights and credit. I don't get why so many are flufffing this issue. It's just poor form
@@donjohnston4215 There is video I've watched and shared of Eddie and Alex's father playing guitar and doing the taping long before Eddie. Check it out, mind blowing.
Thank you for setting the record straight. Led Zep bad mouthed no one. Yet they have attracted a lot of criticism for plagiarism from their peers. All rock music is derivative, it’s simply that Led Zep did it far better
@@karsguitarchannel6088 borrowed ?? They blatantly stole other people's songs and put their own names on the songs and denied the original song writers of the royalties they deserved. Page to this day still tries to pass off the Whole Lotta Love riff as an original idea of his which is quite comical but also very sad.
Nice bit of researching there. Thanks. Takes me back to my early record collection. It was a much smaller world music wise back then. It nice to hear how musicians of that time often crossed paths. John Mayall helped bring quite a few legendary blues players together.
One week before he died, Jimi was staying with Roger Daltrey. Earlier in the morning, Roger had varnished the wood handrail. Coming downstairs, Jimi accidently put his hand print in the varnish. Roger wishes that he didn't revarnish the handrail with Jimi's prints. Foxy Lady was written for Mrs. Daltrey.
Led Zeppelin number one, they are in another stratosphere, nobody even close, I seen them Madison Square Garden in 1975 have never seen a better concert since then.
Jimi's playing on "SInce i've been lovin you" is fantastic! By the way I love Jimi's live performances of "SInce i've been lovin you" much more than the album version
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Page's name is spelled Jimmy, whereas Hendrix's name is spelled Jimi. As far as I know, Jimi never played on "SInce i've been lovin you".
12 bar blues progression, everyone played that. They borrowed from each other, its' a tradition in the blues. But Led Zeppelin added their own stuff to it. They sound unique and original, just used some ideas but developed them into something really new and amazing. Unlike many other blues rock players of the 60's, Jimmy Page added notes from Indian and folk music to the blues. So Jimmy Page is also a great innovator of rock guitar.
@CEOofYTisPureEvil What a pile of bull you're spouting. Music is a preferred taste, but to say that about Zeppelin lacks I.Q if you're serious if not keep your bile to yourself. They all borrowed shit,The Beatles, Stones, etc.You forget to mention their admiration of Rory Gallagher but no matter. There will be guitarists better than Hendrix in time, but there'll never be a band better than Zeppelin. Sorry just fact!!☘
@CEOofYTisPureEvil no dude the comment about selling your soul to Satan come on now wise up. Floyd great band also but compared to Zeppelin IMO and again it's your preference, me I'll have to go Zeppelin just on musicianship ☘
Jimi was so cool, he wasn't the kind of guy to put people down. I was too young to see him, my brother saw Jimi 5 times. To me Jimi Hendrix was the best guitar player ever. He pushed boundaries like recording from 4 tracks to 8 tracks and his playing and showmanship were awesome. They didn't call him the Man for no reason at all, it's because he was and still is.
As a teenager we would get loaded all through the day and maybe just maybe we would pull out the Hendrix in the wee hours........and we would tremble before his guitars like one celled creature before a magnificent unknowable god
he gets all the attention chet Atkins was every bit as good and then there is tommy emannuel who if you have ever seen is so much more talented then any electric guitar player its no even close
they hit the stage about 45 min late the first night in Philly. crowd getting restless. then the mid-evil poem thing started. crowd getting antsy. then you see the orange glow from the tip of Mr Page's cigarette. PANDEMONIUM ensued. if i were starting a band i think i could make it work with Jimi or Jimmy. edit: my role in either version of this band would be opening and closing doors for them
Egomaniac.... always downplays Tommy Aldridge, or anyone else, to make himself seem important. Tommy will be remembered for a stellar career with major artists and longevity; while Carmine will be remembered for the gay Village People mustache....
They toured with Vanilla Fudge on their USA debut. They blew past Vanilla Fudge Probably thinks he's better than Bonzo Carmine was excellent in Cactus Saw him & Jimi Hendrix in 1970
My mate spent the whole of the 70s buying two of his favourite albums. One to play and one to seal up. He also had a case made of I believe cedar because it acts like a humidor and keeps the vinyl in optimum atmospheric conditions.
I got to see Johnny one time, wish I'd have been old enough to catch him younger. He was shuffling along, coughing into a rag, I loved seeing him, but it hurt to see him out working in that shape and age. I have an old 34 National, he played on it for just a minute, before cell phones were around so, I didn't get a picture, ( hand to the head, I brought the guitar and no camera !) I agree, Johnny was the Texas original, before the Vaughns and Top.
@@bobsebring3377 well... I guess everyone can't like everyone. I've played all my life , heard the best, heard some that hurt my senses, never thought to insult any of them , just cuz they love doing something.
@@If6turnsouttobe9 I guess age has its benefits. Saw Johnny about 4 or 5 times back in the mid to late 80s. He used to be a regular at Summerfest and I saw him at a couple of small venues. The guy was a monster and put on quite a guitar clinic.
All right! can never get enough Jimi stories. I saw him back in June 19th 1970 in Albuquerque New Mexico tickets were $3 to $5 but We snuck in he was bigger than life in person anyone who ever saw him knows what I'm talking about... top three live bands I've seen #1 Jimj #2 Grand Funk Railroad and Little Richard ( it's a tie between the two)
I often wondered what Jimi thought of Zeppelin, but unfortunately, he did not live to see what they achieved. I cannot imagine Hendrix listening to Page's solo on You Shook Me without being impressed. I also read that Page said something along the lines of "we lost the best guitarist we had when Hendrix died." It is so hard to believe that Hendrix was over 50 years ago, but totally believable that he is still held as the most groundbreaking electric guitarist who ever lived. When Eddie Van Halen passed away my first thought was that the only guitar player more important than EVH was Hendrix. That said, PAGE is still one of the most important and meaningful guitarist of my life. He hit me in a way that will haunt and excite me for the rest of my life. However Hendrix totally made me re-think guitar playing and forever had me hear music in a different way. I don't know if I had not understood Hendrix that I would have understood Mozart.
One guy that truly got Jimi Hendrix was Stevie Ray Vaughn. Of all of the guitarists who covered Hendriz tunes only Stevie Ray actually got the spirit right. We lost two monumental artists when Jimi and Stevie Ray died.
Jimmy Page is not the type to talk junk either. He’s just that into the music. You gotta remember he was a professional studio musician at like 15 years old
Loved classical music ? Where did you get this from... I dont hear it anywhere.. I played classical music for years before electric guitar. In an orchestra, quartets/quintets, duos with flute, violin... umm, nowhere I hear anythin like "classical music" in Hendrix. He was a raw Chuck Berry style person, guitar player .. and that was soo GOOD 😎 why make him something he wasnt ?
I respect Hendrix And page for their own innovation and voicing. Hendrix stole just as much as page. Page had more time to explore And was more diverse. Hendrix definitely had an intensity nobody else would ever approach. Ever. And they would both respect each other because they are both fucking amazing and brilliant in their own veins. They both had great bandmates that made them shine. It's like apples And oranges Man. They don't both satisfy the same cravings. But they both rule. It's not a contest. If you think it is then you lost.
@@jamesgarcia7527 Cream, sunshine of your love. but he "borrowed it". lol! Jimi loved Cream and good friends with Eric Clapton so I'm sure they didn't mind.
@@pnollen2 I remember hearing a tribute to cream because cream was breaking up but i never seen it on a jimi Hendrix album and its just a question. Jimi Hendrix is original the only songs he covered was hound dog,killing floor sunshine of your love, tax free
I have the 50th Anniversary Electric Lady Land box. One of the extra LP's is Live at the Hollywood Bowl , and it includes an instrumental Sunshine of Your Love.
Yes Jimi Hendrix hung out with Bob Dillan as well as met Leonard Cohen in London. He had Dillons permission to remake All along the Watch Tower. He did Muddy Waters , I’m a Man. Hey Joe is another bands song. This makes it hard to believe he would criticize others for using the music of others.
there's a difference between doing a cover and using the main parts of someone elses idea as your own material. look at stairway. a great song. prob the best guitar solo ever. but still if I wrote that riff I would feel very disrespected I think
I'm an official LedZepHead and I "Thank You" for clarifying Led Zeppelin's Geniuses, (John Paul Jones, Robert Plant, James Patrick Page and the late great "Hammer of the Gods", John Bonham). Thanks for sharing. 🇨🇦✌🏻🎶🎸🎹✍🏻♥️✨🌍💫
Jimi Hendrix is obviously great but I prefer Jimmy Page, he’s a musical genius in my opinion. Led Zeppelin are the greatest rock band ever, there are loads of excellent bands that I love but Led Zeppelin just hit the spot for me.
First concert, LZ, Kezar for Houses. I was 16 in '73. Dazed, sunny day...violin bow, clouds show up. Up tempo full band bit, the sun shows up. all i could think, 'they're changing the weather! I gotta see more concerts !" WinterLand like a dozen times and all.
There is No Best Guitar player. It's not sports (or a competition), it's music. I learn-from, and appreciate many different-players, from various genre's of music.
Back in the early 70s I got my info from cream rock magazine always thought there was mutual respect between both Jimmy’s unfortunately Hendrix Wasn’t around long enough to really appreciate the band of Led Zeppelin but there wouldn’t be a Led Zeppelin without a Jimi Hendrix.. Led Zeppelin the greatest band in rock ‘n’ roll my opinion
I don’t believe Hendrix would say bad or negative things about other musicians, even if he didn’t like them. He didn’t seem like that kind of musician/person
Absolutely love both. Anyone else think that the closing riff to Led Zeppelin’s “no quarter” might have been lifted/inspired by Jimi’s “Machine Gun” riff?
We Saw Jimi at them Waikiki Shell 1969. Small outdoor venue by the Honolulu Zoo. First night he came out and tried to start but he said "They didn't give me the juice they promised me". But "Did any of your friends not get tickets? Tomorrow night and Sunday night two free concerts!" So Saturday he was leading up to Foxy Lady for awhile and someone said look at the moon ❗ It was a full moon and when it got directly overhead he got down. Fantastic experience I'll never forget.☮️💗
Jimi often avoided talking about other guitarists, but he was modest when he did. He said he didn't want to compare who is better than who, because it's not a competition.
But that was a competition when he got up on stage to play with Clapton for the first time. And he also told Clapton that Ritchie Blackmore blew him offstage when Deep Purple was Cream's openning act in 1968. So let's be honest that was a competition for Jimi and guitar players generally compete with each other
Jimi was a really nice guy he didn’t diss other musicians whether the Beatles, the Stones, Cream or anyone else. He was above all the slagging off other musicians that less talented less classy guys did. If he had lived in 85 imagine him, Page, Beck, Gilmore, Santana, Eddie Van Halen and the other true greats on stage together playing to the world. If only
So many people say bad things about Led Zep, Clapton, Hendrix, Townsend but they never retaliate, led zep never say bad things about any other band or musician, they just choose to ignore the unkind criticism .
Always thought Plant saying that regarding what Hendrix told him is very very odd because in the footage of Plant and Page being interviewed in New York the day after Hendrix died, when asked if he ever met Hendrix, Plant replies with a definite "no" and Page said he met him once.
@@natewhite455 Yes, and also Malmsteen. I am not a fan of Malmsteen (despite being Swedish) and can hardly listen to him but he is definitely the best technically in the past. Today there are so many good guitarists.
@@natewhite455 Are you kidding? Blackmore took rock in a different direction than the others, infusing classical modes and scales into his solos and writings, and with a technique that was unique, fast and extremely clean. With his playing, he laid the foundations of modern hard rock and neo-classical, whereas the others, with the exception of Iommi, were more blues based.
Well, Carmen always had a problem with Zeppelin, but always sounds like a very bitter guy and a little full of BS. Page has always been humble, kind and complimentary of other musicians. Personally, while I love Hendrix's talent, it was Page's sound that inspired me to play. I'd also put him in that rock guitar innovators list. His playing, studio work, techniques, and producing... How many rock guitarist did so much while also influencing an entire generation of teenage kids to play? IMO, very few. ; )
@ Yup, and I was one of them. Still have 2. My aunt bought my first one used from my guitar instructor in 1979 when I was in 7th grade, my body got tired holding it for more than an hour, ha. Luckily, I got bigger. It's an awesome sunburst and just love the tone.
A lot of people disliked the early Zeppelin because it did "borrow" heavily without attribution for the most part. Didn't bother me simply because they did it soo damn well and I was too young to even know it wasn't all that original. But my love for Zeppelin proved legit as time after time they wrote their own killer, immortal songs in the years to come. The two Jimmys were my two faves on guitar but gotta go with Hendrix as the ultimate - such an original voice in so many ways but in the end it was his creativity, his compositional greatness to be so damn original using the same old rock/blues scale - he was as authentic as it gets. He made most others sound like they were playing the same old stereotypical riffs over and over in whereas he pulled ideas from deep in his imagination and was more of a force of nature - so funky, so bluesy, so mystical - it was high art. I think people will still be listening to his guitar creations hundreds of years from now. It goes way past the theatrics and pyrotechnics - he was the Robert Johnson of the rock era.
sometimes its hard to find the real truth especially when it comes to what different musicians think of each other i am glad someone has clarified that jimi hendrix did in fact appreciate the music of led zeppelin another interesting fact is that acdc and the rolling stones were once rivals but are now the best of friends and have been that way for many years also keith richards is a big fan of angus young
I have a copy of Hit Parader magazine January 1970 in which Jimi is asked about Zep among others. I dont have it in front of me but he thought Zep was "contrived", commercial and derivative. He liked Creedence, loved the Stones and Dylan, dug Terry Kath, disliked Blood Sweat & Tears. Thats all I recall at the moment. Thanks for the research!
What was Jim smoking? Zeppelin were the least 'commercial' big act of the lot. They never wrote songs for the singles charts, never performed on British or American tv, and weren't on the mainstreaming radio much.
@@coldacre Rolling Stone magazine was derogatory yes, but not everyone else was. Chris Welch in Melody Maker heaped praise on the debut album, while Oz magazine wrote: "It defies immediate classification or description, simply because it's so obviously a turning point in rock music that only time proves capable of shifting it into eventual perspective" Just because Rolling Stone bitched, doesn't mean everyone did.
Thanks Kar's guitar channel..love the info.... really loved the details u pulled up on my beloved deep purple...I knew u would have a little more inside being u apparently play guitar and teach also...????I'm guessing...so ur ears are a little more tuned to rock guitar news...best source so far...to much glitz and glamour out here need more roots based information...from inner circle type of folks.... thank u for ur research and wisdom... haha
What makes a guitarist great to me is not their technical proficiency, or even pushing the envelope- It's heart and soul! All of the guitarists mentioned in this video do that for me, as well as SRV, Robin Trower, Kenny Wayne Sheppard, and Andre Segovia, but in a different genre
How much one "borrows" from another is matter of degree- a whole song, a riff, a tip of the hat reference - whatever. But- it depends on what one calls it, and how much you claim to own and what is really yours and not. There is a line between influence and rip off or borrow. It is a line that is not always easy to define. It is always best to credit the people you were influenced by rather than being delusional or absent minded.
Plant brought Bonzo with him when joining Zep. Bonam had a gig that was paying quite well and almost didn't join. He sat down for the first session and everything clicked especially with John Paul Jones the quiet one who can play almost any instrument
Yep! JPJ is my baby, and had a lot of talent. although, a lot of musicians played more than 1 instrument. JPJ bass and keyboards, John Deacon bass and keyboards, Eddie Van Halen keyboards and guitar, Prince played guitar, drums, piano, and bass. Eric Clapton, he played electric and acoustic guitars in fact, he could make an acoustic guitar sound like an electric guitar. talk about amazing talent!
@@bigbaby9189 Page wasn't even aware of the existence of John Bonham by the time he met Plant. It was Plant who suggested Bonham due to their shared experiences in Birmingham, after Page's first pick turned down the drum spot.
@@igunashiodesu you know they were in a band together and that’s where Page seen Plant and Bonham in the midlands? Band of Joy they were called. I’m only going on the books I’ve read. You may know them personally?
Yes that's the story Jeff Beck told. He said that Jimi Hendrix told him that he swiped some bits from the "Happenings" and used that for Stone Free. They say that "Happenings" was largely written by Jimmy Page, so turns out that Hendrix swiped those bits from Jimmy Page
All wrong. Page couldn't read or write music. Page came up with the bones of the song. The rhythm parts etc. Jeff Beck wrote and played all the lead guitar parts. Beck didn't steal any part of the song. He PLAYED ON IT
According to Chris Welch’s biography on Hendrix (his close friend and equipment engineer), his favorite bands before dying were Cream, Zeppelin, and Chicago. His favorite guitarist being Terry Kath. It makes no sense why Hendrix would slander Zeppelin for the reasons Appice mentioned. Pretty much every blues influenced act that came out of the UK in the late 60s was just as guilty of doing what zeppelin did. I think a lot of people don’t know the history and context of blues music. Blues goes behind lyrics, it’s about feel and what you bring to it. Which is why many blues standards were covered so many times. It’s part of the tradition.
In my opinion i think a lot of groups hated that Led Zeppelin came out saying they wrote Babe I’m Gonna Leave You, Dazed And Confused and Whole Lotta Love when they obviously didn’t. It wasn’t til later on where copies had to be corrected due to copyright infringement lawsuits. That is what Led Zeppelin fans don’t get. When Cream covered spoonful, crossroads and I’m so glad, they actually credited the writers right off from the get go. Yes blues artists borrow from each other as far as licks and riffs go , like Jimmy Page borrowing the riff to whole lotta love from Hendrix’s version of Hey Joe, but passing off an entire song as your own work is totally different and not something i nor anyone should ever support.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 Babe, I’m Gonna Leave You was originally listed as “Traditional”. That’s because Page always said that he first heard Joan Baez’ version which was also listed as traditional. It wasn’t until the original writer (Anne Bredon) contacted both parties with a C&D that they both changed the credits. As for Dazed & Confused, perhaps Page should have credited Holmes on this one but the two songs were so dissimilar that they couldn’t even legally call it a cover, hence why it now says “inspired by”. As for Whole Lotta Love, progression from B to D is the only thing those two riffs share in common, I don’t think that makes them the same at all. Besides Hendrix has done his fair share of borrowing just as every other guitarist has before him. "I don't think that the whites have stole the licks or anything of the sort. I don't know anybody that plays that hasn't borrowed something from somebody," -B.B. King, 1971 Out of their 90 studio albums only 10 are covers or have any referenced material (far less then some of their contemporaries) and all of which has been properly credited since the 80s. Also, I’ve never seen Page/Plant deny origins of any of these songs, they’ve always been blunt about it in interviews.
@@zosomoso - you are definitely correct about Babe. That being said Dazed wouldn’t have existed if not for Jake’s original. The only difference between the two was that one was played with an acoustic guitar while the other one was players with an electric guitar and a violin bow solo. You said you’ve never seen Jimmy deny the origins of the songs? Then let me ask you this, why when asked about Jake Holmes’ lawsuit did jimmy reply by saying he never heard nor met the guy meanwhile it is historically proven that jake opened for the yardbirds in some of their concerts while jimmy page was in the group. Jake of course used to play Dazed in concerts which is where I’m guessing Page heard it, went out and bought the record and arranged it for electric guitar as you know, the yardbirds started playing Dazed in exactly the same arrangement and style as in Led Zeppelin 1’s studio version yet the yardbirds completely credited Jake Holmes. Interesting huh? As for the similarities between whole lotta love and hey joe, i merely mentioned them as being a case of legit borrowing, meaning that was ok. I agree, everyone who has ever picked up a guitar has borrowed something from someone at some point, it happens and yes of course Hendrix borrowed from others too. His playing the guitar on his back is a straight copy of T Bone Walker’s signature move. Also, if Zeppelin had no wrong doing whatsoever as most LZ fans tend to believe, then why did they get sued and lost?
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 I’ve heard that rumor of Page denying he’s heard Holmes version but I’ve never actually read or seen him say that. I could be wrong but I think that’s a false rumor. The songs share the same name and first verse, kinda hard to deny that. As for artists suing zeppelin, first and foremost you have to understand that they never went to court, ever (with the exception of Stairway which was an absolute money grab). Every single one of these cases were settled outside of court. Page never challenged anyone in court once a cease & desist was sent by the original artists. This primarily goes back to Peter Grant’s ethos of “make em ask for it” if they want credit. Probably not the best way to conduct your image in hindsight but that was the way Grant was. On the other hand look at some of their contemporaries like The Rolling Stones. Look up the relationship between the Stones and Slim Harpo. They clearly covered one of his songs, refused to give credit once Harpo issued a C&D, and even took him to court. Slim Harpo lost the case and still doesn’t have credit. But you never hear about this. The stones have great publicists. I think a major reason Zeppelin gets vilified is because of the proportion of royalties involved. This is what Anne Briggs had to say when she was asked whether Page stole from Bert Jansch (who she claims learned Black Waterside from Bert Lloyd): But all this [borrowing and influencing], it’s been done throughout history. It’s how music develops. When people sang for pleasure and nobody got any money for it then it was great, no problem. The problems come into it when money starts flying around, which is why this bloody old chestnut is still clonking around the universe! (Mojo, December 1994, p. 50).
Nice video.. Have another listen to Brian May - another totally innovative guitarist.. ~ Even more of an accomplishment having to follow Page and Hendrix!
An interviewer asked jimmy Hendrix what it was like to be the best guitarist in the world , Jimmy replied I don't know you better go ask Rory Gallagher !
What a confusing video: At 2:55 - Carmine Appice says Jimi didn't like Zeppelin. Then, at 3:30 you stated that Jimi's manager said that Jimi admired Zeppelin a lot (which would contradict what Appice said). To support this, at 3:42, you said Jimi admired John Bonham and that his three favorite bands were Chicago, Led Zeppelin, and Cream. To back this up, at 5:48, you said Jimi admired Zeppelin again. However, at 6:15, you said Jimi "didn't think much of Led Zeppelin" (which would then contradict what was said from 3:30 onward). Finally, at 6:55 you said Page never met Jimi but then contradicted yourself by saying, " . . . except for one time at a club in New York," so Page either did nor did not meet Jimi--which is it? Given this presentation, I have to question the sobriety of some of the sources at the time the information was given or how it was put together.
Yes Jimmy Page said that he saw Jimi Hendrix in the club but he didn't really meet him. There's a difference. If you "saw", for example, a movie star it could have been a quick glimpse of her(him) back from far away. If you 'met' her(him), then you were one-on-one. You were both talking together.
So right about Zeppelin. All four were incredible at their roles and each made huge contributions to the overall sound. Though widely respected, John Paul Jones is still probably one of the most underrated musicians in rock history.
Yes they were a true band, each member contributing to a powerful whole. When that broke down somewhat, on In Through the Out Door, some of their power dissipated.
I was around in the 1970s, and in all the music mag annual polls, LZ always ran away with it in every category, incl JPJ on bass. For my money, yes he was a very fine bass player, but I always thought him not so hot on piano. I have many LZ boots and of course NQ was in their set from '73-'79. JPJ seldom covered himself in glory on it, tbh.
Maybe not the greatest pianist, but I was speaking more from the standpoint of JPJ as the ultimate utility man. Whether we're talking some of the mandolin playing on IV, the recorders on Stairway, the string arrangements on Kashmir..... and those are just off the top of my head.
JPJ was so under appreciated.
John Paul Jones suffers from being the least famous least well-recognised member of the greatest rock band of all time. Jones as always never seeking the limelight, but little known I'd be prone to say? Rather than underrated? Most musicologists will place Jones highly on their list of rocks greatest musicians - an utterly masterly musician / multi-instrumentalist indeed Sasser. 🎸ZOSO🤘🏻
In 1970 you could have seen Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Elvis, Free, Bob Dylan, The Who, Santana…. What a music scene.
And Fleetwood Mac , featuring one of the guitar greats, Peter Green.
The Beatles were history by then, but otherwise yeah no shortage of talent in those days.
THE FKN DOORS MAN SABBATH!!
Not The Beatles. They were still together in 70 but not really and did very little live after 66.
And now we get mostly crap!
Page and Hendrix had two different vibes and styles, and both are rock legends.
Hendrix and Zeppelin were two of the greatest improvisers in a live situation; that is where so much of the special magic was created
jimmy page is a rare musical genius, he was not just a brilliant guitarist, but producer and sound engineer who had a vision for what he wanted a rock band to be and shaped zep in his image.
i agree with all said, but lets face it- the remastering of the Zeppelin albums I think these days, should be left in the hands of someone else. I think so much better can be done IMHO. With that said, to me some albums sound better than others.
The reason Jimmy kept switching producers is he did not wish the genius of the band's sound to be attributed to others. They were just good hires for capturing his direction as bandleader.
Couldnt agree more Tony.
@@cmkilcullen8176Keep in mind he didn't have the best master tapes to work with. Quality then was nothing compared to today. Even though he tried to keep everything safe, some were damaged and some disappeared, leaving him with less Quality to work with. And at the end of the 🎉day, it was his babies, like the other commenter eluded too. so I don't think anyone in his position would have turned the project over to another party...
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Jimmy Page was nice to me he consoled me when my drummer Perry Baggs died in 2012 I’m forever thankful !
Well, he was certainly able to empathize. Sorry for your loss.... and Jimmy's.
@@Sasser2015 thank you
@@Sasser2015good point
Absolutely. Page said that he was looking for four equals and the best of the best. And that's what he got. If I had to pick only one, Led Zeppelin is the best and my favorite rock and roll band of all time.
1000%!!!!!! LZ had no equals. No one came close. 600 million plus records sold. Ten albums. All songs Iconic.
@@peterbartolomeo9574 I love Led Zeppelin, I would say Presence was their weakest album, they were humans and had their off times too. Jimmy Page got addicted to drugs and started to perform under the influence in concerts, the videos of those concerts show he was pretty messed up and made audible mistakes at some points having trouble standing, people paid to see them perform and he disappointed the audiences by not being up to the task.
Same here.
Would you please qualify Led Zep as being the best stoner band in the world, unless you count Pink Floyd sales.
@@johnwattdotca Yes, I agree, absolutely with both. If pressed to pick only two bands, I would pick Zep and Floyd to smoke to. Hope that helps.
I feel blessed being around during this period to see many of these bands live in concert. The Beatles last public performance at Candlestick Park in 66. Jimi Hendrix at his American debut at Monterey Pop Festival in 67. Went specifically to see the Paul Butterfield Blues Band play live, and on Sunday night this Black Dude who I & many other people had never heard of blew our collective minds. Only four months later, again to see Paul Butterfield Blues Band at the Filmore West in San Francisco, the opening band I'd never heard of blew my mind. Santana... two years before they released their first album. Led Zeppelin at Oakland Coliseum...the list goes on & on. What a great time to be alive!
Wasn't Candlestick Park in 66?
@@dennislindqvist8443: Yes. I was a freshman in high school. Phat fingers bro.
Jimmy Page definitely pushed boundaries. he is awesome! Led Zeppelin is just an incredible band!
great players but thieves everybody know it's get rid of your schoolboy crush on Page.
@@tw364 i never had a crush on Page back then. I just liked him as a musician. my favorite love in the band was JPJ. he was and still is a precious gem to me. my sweet baby, a hero like in my life.
@@tw364 I know it's hip to call Page and Zeppelin thieves over the songwriting credits thing but they were getting their legal advice from their manager, Peter Grant who had already been doing the same thing as the manager of The Yardbirds. The members of Led Zeppelin were musicians, not lawyers.
The man who pushed boundaries was Jeff Beck
@@mikefarrell734 yeah Jeff Beck is a great musician. I like him as well as blues music
Hendrix and Zeppelin have always been the very top of the Rock food chain. Both are my all time favs. I've covered them both on my channel and will again.
Zeppelin were massively bigger than Hendrix end of.
Jimi was a gentleman who complimented everybody. Not saying he was wrong. He said good things about good people.
As guitar players, we all learn songs and riffs from our favorite players that are irresistible. That's how we all learn. We're worse at ripping off than politicians and lawyers!
Very true, Eddie vanhalen said he first heard tapping when he saw jimmy page do it. And then EVH took it to a whole different level. All great musicians stand on the shoulders of the ones that came before them.
@@donjohnston4215 that's different to like taking the main iconic riff from stairway to heaven and not even giving a writing credit. artists deserve intellectual property rights and credit. I don't get why so many are flufffing this issue. It's just poor form
You got that right. I know a good solo when I steal one and then pass it off as my own. Lol
@@donjohnston4215 There is video I've watched and shared of Eddie and Alex's father playing guitar and doing the taping long before Eddie. Check it out, mind blowing.
Thank you for setting the record straight. Led Zep bad mouthed no one. Yet they have attracted a lot of criticism for plagiarism from their peers. All rock music is derivative, it’s simply that Led Zep did it far better
Yes they borrowed some ideas but what they did with it sounded completely new and original. Nobody sounded like Led Zeppelin.
Totally agree and very well said. Other bands were just jealous
@@karsguitarchannel6088 borrowed ?? They blatantly stole other people's songs and put their own names on the songs and denied the original song writers of the royalties they deserved. Page to this day still tries to pass off the Whole Lotta Love riff as an original idea of his which is quite comical but also very sad.
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@@Rpont63 I think you have misspelt 'winner' 🙂
Nice bit of researching there. Thanks. Takes me back to my early record collection. It was a much smaller world music wise back then. It nice to hear how musicians of that time often crossed paths. John Mayall helped bring quite a few legendary blues players together.
Thank you, much appreciated!
One week before he died, Jimi was staying with Roger Daltrey. Earlier in the morning, Roger had varnished the wood handrail. Coming downstairs, Jimi accidently put his hand print in the varnish. Roger wishes that he didn't revarnish the handrail with Jimi's prints. Foxy Lady was written for Mrs. Daltrey.
Led Zeppelin. Great band with incredible music. 👍
Great statement at the end. Some bands have one or two standout members, but zeppelin contained FOUR outstanding artists.
Led Zeppelin number one, they are in another stratosphere, nobody even close, I seen them Madison Square Garden in 1975 have never seen a better concert since then.
it's a shame Hendrix didn't get to hear "SInce i've been lovin you"
That's what I'm thinking
Jimi's playing on "SInce i've been lovin you" is fantastic! By the way I love Jimi's live performances of "SInce i've been lovin you" much more than the album version
Yeah he missed se great music
@@karsguitarchannel6088 you mean Jimmy's playing rigjt?
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Page's name is spelled Jimmy, whereas Hendrix's name is spelled Jimi. As far as I know, Jimi never played on "SInce i've been lovin you".
12 bar blues progression, everyone played that. They borrowed from each other, its' a tradition in the blues. But Led Zeppelin added their own stuff to it. They sound unique and original, just used some ideas but developed them into something really new and amazing. Unlike many other blues rock players of the 60's, Jimmy Page added notes from Indian and folk music to the blues. So Jimmy Page is also a great innovator of rock guitar.
Zeppelin also wrote and played many songs that were nothing like the standard blues. Check out Achilles Last Stand.
Zeppelin still remains the greatest!
@CEOofYTisPureEvil Thats what it seems like doesn't it
@CEOofYTisPureEvil What a pile of bull you're spouting. Music is a preferred taste, but to say that about Zeppelin lacks I.Q if you're serious if not keep your bile to yourself. They all borrowed shit,The Beatles, Stones, etc.You forget to mention their admiration of Rory Gallagher but no matter. There will be guitarists better than Hendrix in time, but there'll never be a band better than Zeppelin. Sorry just fact!!☘
@CEOofYTisPureEvil no dude the comment about selling your soul to Satan come on now wise up. Floyd great band also but compared to Zeppelin IMO and again it's your preference, me I'll have to go Zeppelin just on musicianship ☘
Jimi was so cool, he wasn't the kind of guy to put people down. I was too young to see him, my brother saw Jimi 5 times. To me Jimi Hendrix was the best guitar player ever. He pushed boundaries like recording from 4 tracks to 8 tracks and his playing and showmanship were awesome. They didn't call him the Man for no reason at all, it's because he was and still is.
As a teenager we would get loaded all through the day and maybe just maybe we would pull out the Hendrix in the wee hours........and we would tremble before his guitars like one celled creature before a magnificent unknowable god
he gets all the attention chet Atkins was every bit as good and then there is tommy emannuel who if you have ever seen is so much more talented then any electric guitar player its no even close
Sort of contradicts what the video says
I'm not old enough to have seen Led Zep, only 50, but I got to see Page & Plant 95. Great show 😊
Saw that too!
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they hit the stage about 45 min late the first night in Philly. crowd getting restless. then the mid-evil poem thing started. crowd getting antsy. then you see the orange glow from the tip of Mr Page's cigarette. PANDEMONIUM ensued. if i were starting a band i think i could make it work with Jimi or Jimmy.
edit: my role in either version of this band would be opening and closing doors for them
Awesome!
@@karsguitarchannel6088 yea, but i really didn't know that at the time. But I sure became a led head after. 😊
Carmine Appice is a hater. He’s always making negative or backhanded compliments towards Zeppelin.
His brother is a far superior and more creative drummer too.
Egomaniac.... always downplays Tommy Aldridge, or anyone else, to make himself seem important. Tommy will be remembered for a stellar career with major artists and longevity; while Carmine will be remembered for the gay Village People mustache....
They toured with Vanilla Fudge on their USA debut.
They blew past Vanilla Fudge
Probably thinks he's better than Bonzo
Carmine was excellent in Cactus
Saw him & Jimi Hendrix in 1970
Likely because Bonham was more famous yet Carmine's still alive to be reminded of it.
When a band continuously calls themselves or acts like they are the best they should expect negative thoughts or comments from their peers.
Your channel is friggin awesome
Many thanks!
My mate spent the whole of the 70s buying two of his favourite albums. One to play and one to seal up. He also had a case made of I believe cedar because it acts like a humidor and keeps the vinyl in optimum atmospheric conditions.
So glad to hear Jimi recognized my personal favorite guitarist, Johnny Winter. Say what you will about SRV, but Johnny was the original Texas tornado!
I got to see Johnny one time, wish I'd have been old enough to catch him younger. He was shuffling along, coughing into a rag, I loved seeing him, but it hurt to see him out working in that shape and age. I have an old 34 National, he played on it for just a minute, before cell phones were around so, I didn't get a picture, ( hand to the head, I brought the guitar and no camera !) I agree, Johnny was the Texas original, before the Vaughns and Top.
SRV was a totally overated hack. Johnny Winter was an original and so is Eric Johnson.
@@bobsebring3377 well... I guess everyone can't like everyone. I've played all my life , heard the best, heard some that hurt my senses, never thought to insult any of them , just cuz they love doing something.
@@If6turnsouttobe9 I guess age has its benefits. Saw Johnny about 4 or 5 times back in the mid to late 80s. He used to be a regular at Summerfest and I saw him at a couple of small venues. The guy was a monster and put on quite a guitar clinic.
@@bobsebring3377 that might be one of the worst options I’ve ever heard
New to the channel and I'm enjoying all of the cool rock history! Thanks Kar and Shawn, you guys rock!
Big thanks, great pleasure to hear that!
Music is a living tradition. We inspire each other across oceans, mountains and time.
agreed
All right! can never get enough Jimi stories. I saw him back in June 19th 1970 in Albuquerque New Mexico tickets were $3 to $5 but We snuck in he was bigger than life in person anyone who ever saw him knows what I'm talking about... top three live bands I've seen #1 Jimj #2 Grand Funk Railroad and Little Richard ( it's a tie between the two)
That's awesome! Never knew he played Abq. I wonder if there's any recordings of the show floating around. Cheers from Moriarty.

I often wondered what Jimi thought of Zeppelin, but unfortunately, he did not live to see what they achieved. I cannot imagine Hendrix listening to Page's solo on You Shook Me without being impressed. I also read that Page said something along the lines of "we lost the best guitarist we had when Hendrix died." It is so hard to believe that Hendrix was over 50 years ago, but totally believable that he is still held as the most groundbreaking electric guitarist who ever lived. When Eddie Van Halen passed away my first thought was that the only guitar player more important than EVH was Hendrix. That said, PAGE is still one of the most important and meaningful guitarist of my life. He hit me in a way that will haunt and excite me for the rest of my life. However Hendrix totally made me re-think guitar playing and forever had me hear music in a different way. I don't know if I had not understood Hendrix that I would have understood Mozart.
One guy that truly got Jimi Hendrix was Stevie Ray Vaughn. Of all of the guitarists who covered Hendriz tunes only Stevie Ray actually got the spirit right. We lost two monumental artists when Jimi and Stevie Ray died.
To watch Gary Moore tribute to Hendrix concert
It's fantastic!
Saw Stevie Ray 5 times over his career, a memory I'll always cherish.
That and Led Zeppelin being my first concert.
SRV was an AMAZING electric guitarist and he did a fantastic rendition of "Voodoo Child"
SRV played Hendrix better than Hendrix.
@@jeffdarnell7942 you are out of your rabbit mind!!!
Jimmy Page is not the type to talk junk either. He’s just that into the music. You gotta remember he was a professional studio musician at like 15 years old
And a Thief ..
@@CP-kb1du you need schoolin
@@pinkled4429 ... I ain't foolin'
@@TheHumbuckerboy Baby I been droolin'...
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Thank you very much for checking out, great pleasure to hear that! You are very welcome SAHARA
Thoughtful ... Jimi loved Jimmy and the Zep for sure
Hendrix liked a lot of varying styles. He was very complimentary of Billy Gibbons, among many. Loved classical music. Very eclectic.
Gibbons, another shamefully underrated guitarist...
Yes, close friends.
Loved classical music ? Where did you get this from... I dont hear it anywhere.. I played classical music for years before electric guitar. In an orchestra, quartets/quintets, duos with flute, violin... umm, nowhere I hear anythin like "classical music" in Hendrix.
He was a raw Chuck Berry style person, guitar player .. and that was soo GOOD 😎 why make him something he wasnt ?
@@tomasvanecek8626 He loved Bach-at one point he stayed in a flat where Bach stayed-look it up.
He was an outspoken fan of Rory Gallagher as well. Hendrix was just pure music in human form.
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I respect Hendrix And page for their own innovation and voicing. Hendrix stole just as much as page. Page had more time to explore And was more diverse. Hendrix definitely had an intensity nobody else would ever approach. Ever. And they would both respect each other because they are both fucking amazing and brilliant in their own veins. They both had great bandmates that made them shine. It's like apples And oranges Man. They don't both satisfy the same cravings. But they both rule. It's not a contest. If you think it is then you lost.
I totally agree!
Can you tell me who did Jimi Hendrix stole from?
@@jamesgarcia7527 Cream, sunshine of your love. but he "borrowed it". lol! Jimi loved Cream and good friends with Eric Clapton so I'm sure they didn't mind.
@@pnollen2 I remember hearing a tribute to cream because cream was breaking up but i never seen it on a jimi Hendrix album and its just a question. Jimi Hendrix is original the only songs he covered was hound dog,killing floor sunshine of your love, tax free
Hendrix didn’t steal anything. Don’t try to rewrite history. So many Zep apologists nowadays
Excellent analysis and presentation!
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Many thanks for the visit, much appreciated!
Well done sir! Always kinda wondered what these 2 (Page and Hendrix) thought of each other.
Big thanks!
Hendrix jumped up and down at his table at the King Crimson show at the Revolution in 1969, screaming that they were the best band in the world.
I have the 50th Anniversary Electric Lady Land box. One of the extra LP's is Live at the Hollywood Bowl , and it includes an instrumental Sunshine of Your Love.
Very cool, love all things Les, Jimi and Ed
Yes Jimi Hendrix hung out with Bob Dillan as well as met Leonard Cohen in London.
He had Dillons permission to remake All along the Watch Tower.
He did Muddy Waters , I’m a Man.
Hey Joe is another bands song. This makes it hard to believe he would criticize others for using the music of others.
there's a difference between doing a cover and using the main parts of someone elses idea as your own material. look at stairway. a great song. prob the best guitar solo ever. but still if I wrote that riff I would feel very disrespected I think
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I'm an official LedZepHead and I "Thank You" for clarifying Led Zeppelin's Geniuses, (John Paul Jones, Robert Plant, James Patrick Page and the late great "Hammer of the Gods", John Bonham). Thanks for sharing.
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Thank you Charlie, I appreciate!
Jimi Hendrix is obviously great but I prefer Jimmy Page, he’s a musical genius in my opinion. Led Zeppelin are the greatest rock band ever, there are loads of excellent bands that I love but Led Zeppelin just hit the spot for me.
Same here. Loves lots of the all time great rock bands, but Zeppelin and Page just set the standard for me
Page's style would not be what it is without what he borrowed from Hendrix.
Hendrix is definitely the innovator.
First concert, LZ, Kezar for Houses. I was 16 in '73.
Dazed, sunny day...violin bow, clouds show up.
Up tempo full band bit, the sun shows up.
all i could think, 'they're changing the weather! I gotta see more concerts !"
WinterLand like a dozen times and all.
@Chris Porter Thanks..
Guitarist mag about 10 years ago. LZ cover shot from Borders. GP and all since '73.Wife buys it for me. Cover, Kezar.
@Chris Porter Thanks.
Awesome, great upload!
Big thanks!
Jimi was asked “How is it being the world’s greatest guitarist?”
Hendrix - “I don’t know, as Terry Kath”
Jimmy Paige co wrote Beck's Bolero. Maybe conceived of...certainly adapted.
Im glad Jimi was able to hear LED ZEP's first LP . He probably caught the last line up of the YARDBIRDS in the London clubs in 1968 .
Very cool man. I already sub'd the past time I watched one of your vids brother. Rock on sir!
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Many thanks, much appreciated!!! Rock on
There is No Best Guitar player. It's not sports (or a competition), it's music. I learn-from, and appreciate many different-players, from various genre's of music.
But there is a most innovative / virtuous / influential guitar player
I'm sure there are a shitload of hot guitar players we will never hear about....
Saw Led Zep live on their first Nebworth return Gig.
Fantastic.
Back in the early 70s I got my info from cream rock magazine always thought there was mutual respect between both Jimmy’s unfortunately Hendrix Wasn’t around long enough to really appreciate the band of Led Zeppelin but there wouldn’t be a Led Zeppelin without a Jimi Hendrix.. Led Zeppelin the greatest band in rock ‘n’ roll my opinion
Jimi&Jimmy Yeah Man Tops to Heaven
Fly to the Heavens
Hands down Zeppelin in my opinion are the best ever too
Right..... but after Jimi Hendrix.
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT HENDRIX HAD ABSOLUTELY ZERO TO DO WITH ZEPPELIN GET OFF IT WILL YA
As far as your closing statement goes... I concur, was lucky enough to see them twice...
I don’t believe Hendrix would say bad or negative things about other musicians, even if he didn’t like them. He didn’t seem like that kind of musician/person
Great vid !
Many thanks, much appreciated!
Absolutely love both. Anyone else think that the closing riff to Led Zeppelin’s “no quarter” might have been lifted/inspired by Jimi’s “Machine Gun” riff?
Yeah i always thought that
We Saw Jimi at them Waikiki Shell 1969. Small outdoor venue by the Honolulu Zoo. First night he came out and tried to start but he said "They didn't give me the juice they promised me". But "Did any of your friends not get tickets? Tomorrow night and Sunday night two free concerts!" So Saturday he was leading up to Foxy Lady for awhile and someone said look at the moon ❗ It was a full moon and when it got directly overhead he got down. Fantastic experience I'll never forget.☮️💗
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Jimi often avoided talking about other guitarists, but he was modest when he did. He said he didn't want to compare who is better than who, because it's not a competition.
But that was a competition when he got up on stage to play with Clapton for the first time. And he also told Clapton that Ritchie Blackmore blew him offstage when Deep Purple was Cream's openning act in 1968. So let's be honest that was a competition for Jimi and guitar players generally compete with each other
,,, from what lil i know every word said here is/was absolutely true here !! VERY WELL researched and said!
Big thanks Rick, great pleasure to hear that! Much appreciated!
When Jimi came into the scene, all of a sudden everyone else was looking up.
I read some where that Jimi Hendrix in 1970 liked this new group called Led Zeppelin.
Seen tons of jimi interviews he never really had a bad word for anything or anybody by far thee forever greatest guitar player of forever
Hendrix did Elvis Presley, Blue Suede Shoes, Manager, Alan Douglas, Great Jam, he did a good job Playing it....
Jimi was a really nice guy he didn’t diss other musicians whether the Beatles, the Stones, Cream or anyone else.
He was above all the slagging off other musicians that less talented less classy guys did.
If he had lived in 85 imagine him, Page, Beck, Gilmore, Santana, Eddie Van Halen and the other true greats on stage together playing to the world.
If only
Nice video guitar intro .. you would definitely fit the late 60's early 70's rock scene .
harvey mandel did all those eddie riffs and finger tapping before eddie was born
Fair comparison about contribution and impact. My fav, EVH, of course.
No comparison or them please, never ever. I love both of them so much
Wow, Interesting stuff. I read Hendrix hated Blue Cheer, but that was 30 yrs ago.
Thank you!
Page and Zeppelins catalog are amazing and Jimi knew it too
Hendrix's producer, Eddie Kramer, was the recording engineer on 5 Led Zeppelin's albums from II onwards...
Eddie Kramer also engineered part of Blue Cheer's "Outside/Inside" as well as Cactus' second album which was produced right after Jimi's death
Bonham was spectacular!
So many people say bad things about Led Zep, Clapton, Hendrix, Townsend but they never retaliate, led zep never say bad things about any other band or musician, they just choose to ignore the unkind criticism .
Always thought Plant saying that regarding what Hendrix told him is very very odd because in the footage of Plant and Page being interviewed in New York the day after Hendrix died, when asked if he ever met Hendrix, Plant replies with a definite "no" and Page said he met him once.
"Machine gun" is...fantastic
Hendrix, Clapton, Paige, Beck, Gilmore, Richards, Gallagher, Blackmore...seriously, an EPIC time for music.
I don't know about Blackmore, really, was he that much better, to be in the list.....
@@natewhite455 I forgot Gilmore 😉
@@natewhite455 Yes, and also Malmsteen. I am not a fan of Malmsteen (despite being Swedish) and can hardly listen to him but he is definitely the best technically in the past. Today there are so many good guitarists.
@@natewhite455 Are you kidding? Blackmore took rock in a different direction than the others, infusing classical modes and scales into his solos and writings, and with a technique that was unique, fast and extremely clean. With his playing, he laid the foundations of modern hard rock and neo-classical, whereas the others, with the exception of Iommi, were more blues based.
Locomotive Breath is my favorite riff and Martin Barre was highly underrated
could you imagine seeing Jimmy Page and Jimi Hendrix at that club that night?
Jimi Hendrix Experience performance on A Happening For Lulu was not stopped , it just ran over time .
Well, Carmen always had a problem with Zeppelin, but always sounds like a very bitter guy and a little full of BS. Page has always been humble, kind and complimentary of other musicians. Personally, while I love Hendrix's talent, it was Page's sound that inspired me to play. I'd also put him in that rock guitar innovators list. His playing, studio work, techniques, and producing... How many rock guitarist did so much while also influencing an entire generation of teenage kids to play? IMO, very few. ; )
@ Yup, and I was one of them. Still have 2. My aunt bought my first one used from my guitar instructor in 1979 when I was in 7th grade, my body got tired holding it for more than an hour, ha. Luckily, I got bigger. It's an awesome sunburst and just love the tone.
Ditto on the Les Paul!
Doug tell us about your background who the f are you. i know Carmine and he would crush your ass.
@@tw364 Carmine Appice is 74 years old. His days of "crushing ass" are over if they ever existed.
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Random lurker comment here; I have a Beck Bogart Apice mint vinyl LP. That's all.
Beck's Bolero was actually written by Page though.
A lot of people disliked the early Zeppelin because it did "borrow" heavily without attribution for the most part. Didn't bother me simply because they did it soo damn well and I was too young to even know it wasn't all that original. But my love for Zeppelin proved legit as time after time they wrote their own killer, immortal songs in the years to come. The two Jimmys were my two faves on guitar but gotta go with Hendrix as the ultimate - such an original voice in so many ways but in the end it was his creativity, his compositional greatness to be so damn original using the same old rock/blues scale - he was as authentic as it gets. He made most others sound like they were playing the same old stereotypical riffs over and over in whereas he pulled ideas from deep in his imagination and was more of a force of nature - so funky, so bluesy, so mystical - it was high art. I think people will still be listening to his guitar creations hundreds of years from now. It goes way past the theatrics and pyrotechnics - he was the Robert Johnson of the rock era.
Thats too bad, because zeppelin 1 and In thru the Out Door are my two fav albums.
sometimes its hard to find the real truth especially when it comes to what different musicians think of each other i am glad someone has clarified that jimi hendrix did in fact appreciate the music of led zeppelin another interesting fact is that acdc and the rolling stones were once rivals but are now the best of friends and have been that way for many years also keith richards is a big fan of angus young
I have a copy of Hit Parader magazine January 1970 in which Jimi is asked about Zep among others. I dont have it in front of me but he thought Zep was "contrived", commercial and derivative. He liked Creedence, loved the Stones and Dylan, dug Terry Kath, disliked Blood Sweat & Tears. Thats all I recall at the moment. Thanks for the research!
Oh this is very interesting, many thanks for sharing!
What was Jim smoking? Zeppelin were the least 'commercial' big act of the lot. They never wrote songs for the singles charts, never performed on British or American tv, and weren't on the mainstreaming radio much.
@@lyndoncmp5751 all of the journalists reviewing Zeppelin for the first few years labeled them as a Cream ripoff. Rolling Stone in particular.
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Rolling Stone magazine was derogatory yes, but not everyone else was. Chris Welch in Melody Maker heaped praise on the debut album, while Oz magazine wrote:
"It defies immediate classification or description, simply because it's so obviously a turning point in rock music that only time proves capable of shifting it into eventual perspective"
Just because Rolling Stone bitched, doesn't mean everyone did.
Right on coldacre!❤
Thanks Kar's guitar channel..love the info.... really loved the details u pulled up on my beloved deep purple...I knew u would have a little more inside being u apparently play guitar and teach also...????I'm guessing...so ur ears are a little more tuned to rock guitar news...best source so far...to much glitz and glamour out here need more roots based information...from inner circle type of folks.... thank u for ur research and wisdom... haha
Thank you so much, you are very welcome!
What makes a guitarist great to me is not their technical proficiency, or even pushing the envelope- It's heart and soul! All of the guitarists mentioned in this video do that for me, as well as SRV, Robin Trower, Kenny Wayne Sheppard, and Andre Segovia, but in a different genre
Thanks for sharing this history, fascinating.
Many thanks!!!
I wouldn't take what Carmine Appice says too seriously.
How much one "borrows" from another is matter of degree- a whole song, a riff, a tip of the hat reference - whatever. But- it depends on what one calls it, and how much you claim to own and what is really yours and not. There is a line between influence and rip off or borrow. It is a line that is not always easy to define. It is always best to credit the people you were influenced by rather than being delusional or absent minded.
Johnny Winter was in his own World,
Smoke’n!! . . . YOU ~ ROCK ! !
Plant brought Bonzo with him when joining Zep. Bonam had a gig that was paying quite well and almost didn't join. He sat down for the first session and everything clicked especially with John Paul Jones the quiet one who can play almost any instrument
Page actually didn’t want Plant. Bonham said he wouldn’t join without him. Page only wanted Bonham initially.
Yep! JPJ is my baby, and had a lot of talent. although, a lot of musicians played more than 1 instrument. JPJ bass and keyboards, John Deacon bass and keyboards, Eddie Van Halen keyboards and guitar, Prince played guitar, drums, piano, and bass. Eric Clapton, he played electric and acoustic guitars in fact, he could make an acoustic guitar sound like an electric guitar. talk about amazing talent!
@@bigbaby9189 Page wasn't even aware of the existence of John Bonham by the time he met Plant. It was Plant who suggested Bonham due to their shared experiences in Birmingham, after Page's first pick turned down the drum spot.
@@igunashiodesu you know they were in a band together and that’s where Page seen Plant and Bonham in the midlands? Band of Joy they were called. I’m only going on the books I’ve read. You may know them personally?
Used to have "Band of Gypsies Live at The Filmore East" loved it damn near wore it out.
Isn't the "Happenings" Yardbirds riff that Jimi borrowed for Stone Free a Jimmy Page riff?-Kindly confirm, cheers!
Yes that's the story Jeff Beck told. He said that Jimi Hendrix told him that he swiped some bits from the "Happenings" and used that for Stone Free. They say that "Happenings" was largely written by Jimmy Page, so turns out that Hendrix swiped those bits from Jimmy Page
All wrong. Page couldn't read or write music. Page came up with the bones of the song. The rhythm parts etc. Jeff Beck wrote and played all the lead guitar parts. Beck didn't steal any part of the song. He PLAYED ON IT
@@karsguitarchannel6088 That's right just like the 2 Jimmy's ripped a load shirt off JEFF BECK. Every one forget about that one. 🤔
Both are rock artist ….never be the same without them
According to Chris Welch’s biography on Hendrix (his close friend and equipment engineer), his favorite bands before dying were Cream, Zeppelin, and Chicago. His favorite guitarist being Terry Kath.
It makes no sense why Hendrix would slander Zeppelin for the reasons Appice mentioned. Pretty much every blues influenced act that came out of the UK in the late 60s was just as guilty of doing what zeppelin did. I think a lot of people don’t know the history and context of blues music. Blues goes behind lyrics, it’s about feel and what you bring to it. Which is why many blues standards were covered so many times. It’s part of the tradition.
Appice is always flogging Zeppelin. He's jealous of Bonham.
In my opinion i think a lot of groups hated that Led Zeppelin came out saying they wrote Babe I’m Gonna Leave You, Dazed And Confused and Whole Lotta Love when they obviously didn’t. It wasn’t til later on where copies had to be corrected due to copyright infringement lawsuits. That is what Led Zeppelin fans don’t get. When Cream covered spoonful, crossroads and I’m so glad, they actually credited the writers right off from the get go. Yes blues artists borrow from each other as far as licks and riffs go , like Jimmy Page borrowing the riff to whole lotta love from Hendrix’s version of Hey Joe, but passing off an entire song as your own work is totally different and not something i nor anyone should ever support.
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 Babe, I’m Gonna Leave You was originally listed as “Traditional”. That’s because Page always said that he first heard Joan Baez’ version which was also listed as traditional. It wasn’t until the original writer (Anne Bredon) contacted both parties with a C&D that they both changed the credits. As for Dazed & Confused, perhaps Page should have credited Holmes on this one but the two songs were so dissimilar that they couldn’t even legally call it a cover, hence why it now says “inspired by”. As for Whole Lotta Love, progression from B to D is the only thing those two riffs share in common, I don’t think that makes them the same at all. Besides Hendrix has done his fair share of borrowing just as every other guitarist has before him.
"I don't think that the whites have stole the licks or anything of the sort. I don't know anybody that plays that hasn't borrowed something from somebody," -B.B. King, 1971
Out of their 90 studio albums only 10 are covers or have any referenced material (far less then some of their contemporaries) and all of which has been properly credited since the 80s. Also, I’ve never seen Page/Plant deny origins of any of these songs, they’ve always been blunt about it in interviews.
@@zosomoso - you are definitely correct about Babe. That being said Dazed wouldn’t have existed if not for Jake’s original. The only difference between the two was that one was played with an acoustic guitar while the other one was players with an electric guitar and a violin bow solo. You said you’ve never seen Jimmy deny the origins of the songs? Then let me ask you this, why when asked about Jake Holmes’ lawsuit did jimmy reply by saying he never heard nor met the guy meanwhile it is historically proven that jake opened for the yardbirds in some of their concerts while jimmy page was in the group. Jake of course used to play Dazed in concerts which is where I’m guessing Page heard it, went out and bought the record and arranged it for electric guitar as you know, the yardbirds started playing Dazed in exactly the same arrangement and style as in Led Zeppelin 1’s studio version yet the yardbirds completely credited Jake Holmes. Interesting huh? As for the similarities between whole lotta love and hey joe, i merely mentioned them as being a case of legit borrowing, meaning that was ok. I agree, everyone who has ever picked up a guitar has borrowed something from someone at some point, it happens and yes of course Hendrix borrowed from others too. His playing the guitar on his back is a straight copy of T Bone Walker’s signature move. Also, if Zeppelin had no wrong doing whatsoever as most LZ fans tend to believe, then why did they get sued and lost?
@@itslikethesamebutdifferent8020 I’ve heard that rumor of Page denying he’s heard Holmes version but I’ve never actually read or seen him say that. I could be wrong but I think that’s a false rumor. The songs share the same name and first verse, kinda hard to deny that.
As for artists suing zeppelin, first and foremost you have to understand that they never went to court, ever (with the exception of Stairway which was an absolute money grab). Every single one of these cases were settled outside of court. Page never challenged anyone in court once a cease & desist was sent by the original artists. This primarily goes back to Peter Grant’s ethos of “make em ask for it” if they want credit. Probably not the best way to conduct your image in hindsight but that was the way Grant was.
On the other hand look at some of their contemporaries like The Rolling Stones. Look up the relationship between the Stones and Slim Harpo. They clearly covered one of his songs, refused to give credit once Harpo issued a C&D, and even took him to court. Slim Harpo lost the case and still doesn’t have credit. But you never hear about this. The stones have great publicists.
I think a major reason Zeppelin gets vilified is because of the proportion of royalties involved. This is what Anne Briggs had to say when she was asked whether Page stole from Bert Jansch (who she claims learned Black Waterside from Bert Lloyd):
But all this [borrowing and influencing], it’s been done throughout history. It’s how music develops. When people sang for pleasure and nobody got any money for it then it was great, no problem. The problems come into it when money starts flying around, which is why this bloody old chestnut is still clonking around the universe! (Mojo, December 1994, p. 50).
Nice video.. Have another listen to Brian May - another totally innovative guitarist.. ~ Even more of an accomplishment having to follow Page and Hendrix!
Jimi Hendrix never claimed to be the greatest. The world chose him. That's the beauty that separates him from the rest. Long live Jimi...The G O.A.T.
Jimi claimed rory gallagher to be the greatest
Steve Ray Vaughn, enough said.
@@seanrafferty2178 terry kath
An interviewer asked jimmy Hendrix what it was like to be the best guitarist in the world , Jimmy replied I don't know you better go ask Rory Gallagher !
@@Mac-jx8uj that's the one!
What a confusing video: At 2:55 - Carmine Appice says Jimi didn't like Zeppelin. Then, at 3:30 you stated that Jimi's manager said that Jimi admired Zeppelin a lot (which would contradict what Appice said). To support this, at 3:42, you said Jimi admired John Bonham and that his three favorite bands were Chicago, Led Zeppelin, and Cream. To back this up, at 5:48, you said Jimi admired Zeppelin again. However, at 6:15, you said Jimi "didn't think much of Led Zeppelin" (which would then contradict what was said from 3:30 onward). Finally, at 6:55 you said Page never met Jimi but then contradicted yourself by saying, " . . . except for one time at a club in New York," so Page either did nor did not meet Jimi--which is it? Given this presentation, I have to question the sobriety of some of the sources at the time the information was given or how it was put together.
Yes Jimmy Page said that he saw Jimi Hendrix in the club but he didn't really meet him. There's a difference. If you "saw", for example, a movie star it could have been a quick glimpse of her(him) back from far away. If you 'met' her(him), then you were one-on-one. You were both talking together.