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The word "illusion" is a highly loaded term. Obviously, my "experience" is not an "illusion", in the sense that my experience is the only non-controvertible thing which I can say exists. Now, whether that experience represents any truth about existence, either the external world or my internal state, is another question. But the fact that I'm having an experience is self-evident and non-controvertible. Solipsism wins again.
Experience is simply learning from your past mistakes, which gives you knowledge to recognise the future choice you need to make to not repeat it. Sadly, we mostly deny our mistakes. Speaking of languages, when you can speak multiple, thoughts written in one can be misunderstood, because how multiple makes you think. People tend to think you're stupid, because it may sound like gibberish. Not every polyglot is 100% proficient in their chosen grammar. If I wrote this in Hungarian, only they would understand it. This is what makes us all individuals/different. People are always trying to correct you, to conform. 🤔 There are three types of people. 1: Those who see. 2: Those that have to be shown to see. 3: Those that can not see anything. Da Vinci.
For the most part yes. Your senses for example can all be replicated in dreams and often to an intense degree. You can taste food, feel pain, temperature, humidity, feel textures etc. You'd be surprised at how good the brain is at replicating every day experiences. Your brain can even create a perfect replica of your real house and put you there for the setting of a dream if it wanted to
@@shadw4701 Is that how your dreams are? I'm genuinely asking, because my dreams are at best halfway there if you know what I mean. The only things that I can look back on and say were visceral, are the emotions. I always wondered how others dreams compared.
@stevecharron6341 Yes but only because I keep a dream journal. If I stopped smoking weed I'd experience it way more though. T-break dreams however can be really trippy
You realise that your brain is also creating experience the same way it does in a dream, if physicalism is true, right? Both manifestations of experience are produced by the brain. Predictive processing reinforces that idea.
5:21 - "Downward causation." Physicalism starts with causation from the bottom up, beginning with matter. But here's the problem... there is no "matter" (in the sense of subatomic billiard-balls) at the subatomic domain. The subatomic domain begins with the undetermined void. Why? Cube root scaling (CRS). CRS implies pure phenomenology, because matter at the subatomic domain is unbounded by classical (Newtonian) constraints. Downward causation is required to direct the bottom-up which way to go.
The constant interaction with the matter around you is certainly not an illusion. To understand this, you can drink half a bottle of whiskey or try not to breathe for 3 minutes. Afterwards you might have realized that one is here because one can be here.
I'm not sure how you would define an illusion except as a human experience. Then, if we can also say that human experience is an illusion, we have an equivalence! Perhaps this is why the problem of illusions is so difficult to resolve. When all the interpretive mechanisms are accounted for, and all patterns we recognize have been exhausted. All that's left as evidence of something outside illusion is noise. Which is, I think, a good way to describe perception - separating negentropy.from entropy, or signal from noise. This unpredictability is how we recognize reality. It's the predictable part that we understand as illusory. It's much more convenient that way. I'm not sure what your perceptive mechanisms are based on, otherwise!
just watched a video showing how birds and butterfly wings have the color blue...the complexity of life on this planet is amazing. The fact that most of us...myself included have a hard time understanding reality and spend most of our time just living on the superficial effects of said reality kind of makes the human experience an illusion anyway.
When you ‘compare’ you answer nothing. When you want human experience to compare to the solidity of matter you confuse. The solidity of matter is an illusion. Our experience of matter is nothing more nothing less. The question is the problem.
Spacetime emerges from the smallest to the biggest. Elementary particles are always in a near light speed state, we think we’re collapsing the wave but we’re measuring from our position relative to light speed and the emergence of light speed.
Adam is operating from the standpoint that if this is an illusion then there needs to be some godhead that exists in order to confirm such a theory. But the godhead he refers to is also an illusion. A godhead doesn't need to truly exist in order to confirm this is an illusion.
2:40 you make me think. Space IS and time is DIFFERENCE. So when they share, they collapse into relatives and expand into the relatives. So all is itself but sharing to be found. Denial is like closing doors because you don’t listen or don’t look and don’t share to see the difference. So the end of time is like seeing all or infinity as relative and respecting its difference and the ways in which it could be found. Not seeing the world in binary but in a tertiary way. Two steps are forward and back, yea and no, exist or not but the tertiary way is like a triangle, the relatives share to live/stabilize. Maybe not the best way to explain it but it’s more like how all is but unfounded but not lost. It’s not within us but relative to us and we share with the current, (planet,food, people, all) to expand in all directions. Time is expansive, not linear or binary but relative and space shares with time. Not a force. It’s almost like space and time share and we are the relatives emerging and living, the third spot sharing to expand. Not just humans but all this stuff is part of the third spot, it’s all sharing. I hope that helps build a mental image. Instead of just 1-2-3-4 it’s like they all could branch and loop and maybe make Fibonacci spirals like how heat does with the air or like the cells of a habitat. The spiral isn’t what’s real but all shares to reveal the spiral, a pattern they all find. Sorry for the long comment.
It is. Not all of it but a lot of aspects are like our identity and society. Psychedelics for example give us a glimpse at what parts of our perception are real and what we are making up for ourselves
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The word "illusion" is a highly loaded term.
Obviously, my "experience" is not an "illusion", in the sense that my experience is the only non-controvertible thing which I can say exists.
Now, whether that experience represents any truth about existence, either the external world or my internal state, is another question.
But the fact that I'm having an experience is self-evident and non-controvertible.
Solipsism wins again.
I propose a unifying theory that information is a force and it's interplay with complexity explains the past and future of life.
Experience is simply learning from your past mistakes, which gives you knowledge to recognise the future choice you need to make to not repeat it. Sadly, we mostly deny our mistakes. Speaking of languages, when you can speak multiple, thoughts written in one can be misunderstood, because how multiple makes you think. People tend to think you're stupid, because it may sound like gibberish. Not every polyglot is 100% proficient in their chosen grammar. If I wrote this in Hungarian, only they would understand it. This is what makes us all individuals/different. People are always trying to correct you, to conform. 🤔 There are three types of people. 1: Those who see. 2: Those that have to be shown to see. 3: Those that can not see anything. Da Vinci.
This guy is brilliant.
For the most part yes. Your senses for example can all be replicated in dreams and often to an intense degree. You can taste food, feel pain, temperature, humidity, feel textures etc. You'd be surprised at how good the brain is at replicating every day experiences. Your brain can even create a perfect replica of your real house and put you there for the setting of a dream if it wanted to
@@shadw4701 Is that how your dreams are? I'm genuinely asking, because my dreams are at best halfway there if you know what I mean. The only things that I can look back on and say were visceral, are the emotions. I always wondered how others dreams compared.
@stevecharron6341 Yes but only because I keep a dream journal. If I stopped smoking weed I'd experience it way more though. T-break dreams however can be really trippy
You realise that your brain is also creating experience the same way it does in a dream, if physicalism is true, right? Both manifestations of experience are produced by the brain. Predictive processing reinforces that idea.
5:21 - "Downward causation." Physicalism starts with causation from the bottom up, beginning with matter. But here's the problem... there is no "matter" (in the sense of subatomic billiard-balls) at the subatomic domain. The subatomic domain begins with the undetermined void. Why? Cube root scaling (CRS). CRS implies pure phenomenology, because matter at the subatomic domain is unbounded by classical (Newtonian) constraints. Downward causation is required to direct the bottom-up which way to go.
Senses are something that we'll need to wrap our brain around.
Na they are just needed to navigate thru the world. Perfectly adapted to navigate thru this mess and pay rent.
@@frantsel5711 have some chai honey
The constant interaction with the matter around you is certainly not an illusion. To understand this, you can drink half a bottle of whiskey or try not to breathe for 3 minutes. Afterwards you might have realized that one is here because one can be here.
You ever had a really good virtual reality experience?
Same deal.
Turns out base reality is waking up in a hospital.
@@stevecharron6341 Untrained ppl maybe.
@@Nickname_42 touché. I do love to run a good train...ing simulation
@@stevecharron6341 Simulation is only as good as their creators, but nature has always been there and always will be.
Are we all hosting a piece of the shared illusion or is there a big server room somewhere
I'm not sure how you would define an illusion except as a human experience.
Then, if we can also say that human experience is an illusion, we have an equivalence!
Perhaps this is why the problem of illusions is so difficult to resolve.
When all the interpretive mechanisms are accounted for, and all patterns we recognize have been exhausted.
All that's left as evidence of something outside illusion is noise.
Which is, I think, a good way to describe perception - separating negentropy.from entropy, or signal from noise.
This unpredictability is how we recognize reality.
It's the predictable part that we understand as illusory.
It's much more convenient that way.
I'm not sure what your perceptive mechanisms are based on, otherwise!
just watched a video showing how birds and butterfly wings have the color blue...the complexity of life on this planet is amazing. The fact that most of us...myself included have a hard time understanding reality and spend most of our time just living on the superficial effects of said reality kind of makes the human experience an illusion anyway.
When you ‘compare’ you answer nothing. When you want human experience to compare to the solidity of matter you confuse. The solidity of matter is an illusion. Our experience of matter is nothing more nothing less. The question is the problem.
Spacetime emerges from the smallest to the biggest. Elementary particles are always in a near light speed state, we think we’re collapsing the wave but we’re measuring from our position relative to light speed and the emergence of light speed.
Adam is operating from the standpoint that if this is an illusion then there needs to be some godhead that exists in order to confirm such a theory. But the godhead he refers to is also an illusion. A godhead doesn't need to truly exist in order to confirm this is an illusion.
2:40 you make me think. Space IS and time is DIFFERENCE. So when they share, they collapse into relatives and expand into the relatives. So all is itself but sharing to be found. Denial is like closing doors because you don’t listen or don’t look and don’t share to see the difference. So the end of time is like seeing all or infinity as relative and respecting its difference and the ways in which it could be found. Not seeing the world in binary but in a tertiary way. Two steps are forward and back, yea and no, exist or not but the tertiary way is like a triangle, the relatives share to live/stabilize. Maybe not the best way to explain it but it’s more like how all is but unfounded but not lost. It’s not within us but relative to us and we share with the current, (planet,food, people, all) to expand in all directions. Time is expansive, not linear or binary but relative and space shares with time. Not a force. It’s almost like space and time share and we are the relatives emerging and living, the third spot sharing to expand. Not just humans but all this stuff is part of the third spot, it’s all sharing. I hope that helps build a mental image. Instead of just 1-2-3-4 it’s like they all could branch and loop and maybe make Fibonacci spirals like how heat does with the air or like the cells of a habitat. The spiral isn’t what’s real but all shares to reveal the spiral, a pattern they all find. Sorry for the long comment.
Adam needs more Nitro.
The same nitro I’m thinking of?
Does Mario know that his "WORLD" is just a complex voltage patterns?
Let me know what you think of my hypothesis on dimensional science
Contrast unspoken information such as DNA and the articulation of DNA as presently articulated
Don't forget the experiences of nature...Pompeii and such.
Two hours and only one vague reference to the Buddha
Dancer and the dance ❤
Is not an "illusion" still something rather than nothing?
I have all the answers to these types of enquiries
10:20 me too
You think that's air you're breathing?
Welcome to 😂 Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism. Ancient Indians figured it out thousands of years ago that you are now speculating LOL
I don’t get him
It's all Maya, boys.
They had blood sugar issues, but their thinking never cleared up. 😂
Stuck in their minds trying to understand reality.
I’m a trans 🏳️⚧️ surfer 🏄
This guy soooooo doesn’t get it…
Your mom's an illusion.
Ridiculous. I can tell you about the world so that you can operate in it. That is a sufficient level of objectivity. Even if it is different.
No
Word.
It is. Not all of it but a lot of aspects are like our identity and society. Psychedelics for example give us a glimpse at what parts of our perception are real and what we are making up for ourselves