Lower your voltage to ~1.5 volts. Create a buss bar. Bag your anode. Alternate cathodes and anodes. The slimes conduct electricity so, they can short out your power supply.
You have any commercial experience ? I wanted to know if you could draw out copper plus 2 ions and zink in seperate cells from same tank with seperate power supplies
After panning out most of the gold from the number 1 compartment, you could throw the rest of it in with the number 2 concentrate..then save all the number 2 concentrate,...for later. Basically forget you have this mother load until you've got enough saved up , then you could re-run it on your shaker table...after..perhaps..running this concentrate through your mini ball mill...love your videos...thanx..
Would be great to see you collaborate with @sreetips on a video! The smelting process is a really interesting comparison to chemical refining in that you look for metal solutes to settle to the bottom of a solution, but your solution is molten with the liquid metals settling to the bottom and sreetips' is a lower temp acid with the metals ultimately "cementing" out.
для очистки отработанного раствора после электролиза можно использовать свинцовый анод, он не растворится в растворе но передаст электроны растворенным металлам что заставит их осесть на катоде, после электролиза в растворе останется вода и серная кислота+ небольшое количество солей , после можно повторно использовать раствор для приготовления раствора для электролиза первичного сплава
I'm showing my ignorance here, but I know that gold and silver can both be used in plating. So what was in your setup that took the copper to the cathode but not the gold and silver? Was the electrolyte something that copper could dissolve in but neither gold or silver?
Streetips does loads of gold silver refining videos as well as other precious metals have been watching him for a few years Could get some ideas helpful information.
Reminds me of the meth lab in the RV on the first season of Breaking Bad. Nice job of being resourceful and using what you had on hand. Fun to learn the basic chemistry of how this is done. thanks!
Please I am a student learner. can u do a step by step video for me on how the gold is stripped off by use of high pressure gun from the cathode after electrowinning and how the smelting is done till the final bullion is recovered please.
You shouldn't waste that slime/mud's physical state. A splash or two of nitric acid would put the copper and silver into solution, and leave the precious gold. Solidifying the stuff before separation just makes it that much more difficult. It would need to be re-melted, cornflaked, and re-dissolved in nitric at a later point anyhow. And the cornflaked stuff doesn't dissolve nearly as quickly as the mud -- due to greater surface area exposure to the acid.
10:30 you need to force that solution to circulate more so you don't end up with dead zone right around the anode which allows for a much higher depletion rate so you have less in solution to worry about when it comes to the disposal of the waste from this process. Simple cheap and effective is a bubbler like the one I made from vinyl or ideally silicone tubing a piece long enough to make a Loop of hose the approximate diameter of the midpoint between the center and rim of your container and just make small slices about a third of the way through all along one side of it then make the Loop put it in your Reservoir and it should make a pretty uniform circulation should make that process run a lot faster
Seems like some metals would pass through the cell (and plate out on the cathode) and not fall out as slime... silver sulfate is somewhat soluble (8g/L), not sure about the others (gold, platinum, palladium). Do you know of any reference material that details the process? LOVE your videos.
3:06 why did this take so long to freeze out? Is this just the result of the mass and or specific composition the constituents or was there something else at work it might not be immediately obvious or intuitive?
it is fairly easy to convert a computer power supply to provide a 5 or 12 volt if you want to sell toe copper it is well worth running it twice as you will need to do that at least to get 99.99 pure copper so you can sell it as bus bar grade.
I like the idea of following Sreetips example of performing this process in a stainless steel bowl. I can't see gold dissolving in sulfuric acid unless the acid is heated and concentrated, which is phenomenally dangerous. Ultimately, I believe you'd be better off dissolving your raw anode in dilute (35%) nitric acid to get the base metals out, leaving the kind of "honeycomb" Sreetips gets to beginning an inquarting process. Perform some number of nitric acid boils. He does 5 or 6 nitric boils. It's an unfortunate fact of life that you can't really refine silver and gold without nitric acid. That's what keeps me from getting involved with it...I just don't want it around. Also, I think you have to find a friendly someone with an XRF gun who will shoot your samples and buttons for free or even cheap, like $5 a shot.
1 Part ore in fine powder form : 3 Parts Borox . If target metal in very low concentration , then add pure copper as collector , smelt at 1600-1800C , Good luck
Your fluxes very so much, and some destroy the crucibles. You say standard flux and then you show how it fails? I am not just referring to to this video but of the many I have watched of you. I am glad to learn with you but I still kind of feel lost. I have the textbook from Legends on fire assaying. I will tell you my issue, I have Hemmotite 5 percent gold according to XRF gun, 3 percent copper, 2 percent Zn, 88 percent iron. What flux do you think would work? The book only mentions Hemitie twice in the book? I used your flux recipe from the video with concentrates and you got 15 g of PM's. It turned out so different from your smelt. It was a dark green stone looking, even small grain with edges of clear green glass with a very golden hew to it. The button when cupeled disappeared left very yellow crustiness in it. Could the copper be moving the gold into the slag/matt? Oh yes, and these weird white powdery crystals or clumps in the slag looks like broken white ceramic tile in it. I think the blue of copper and yellow of gold could make that green. I am so fascinated with doing this stuff. You inspired me, I am glad to be doing it. It is great fun for me and gets me outside working.
You need cupilation. To get a really accurate reading on your samples. Make the bone meal then weigh the prills before and after but you need a for real scale .00001 accuracy to get a weight by ton calculation thats worth a dam. Stronger flux destroys crucibles. You need to make them if you are smelting low grade ore to metal. Thats why they used to use mercury and cyanogen gas
Electricity? Nope, electricity won't select metal for you. This process was widely use in industry to coat metal a to the metal b. How do you sure all metal get electrolysis are all copper but nothing else? The deposit on the copper plate can be anything from copper, silver and gold. All the best conducted metal use in industry. Lead also happens to be conductive too, check your car battery, no wonder you say the copper plate becomes heavy. The metal ions can hide inside that pot of battery juice too, if you put nitrate acid in that pod of juice, it turn cloudy colour, very likely there are some silver and gold ions inside. To suck it out, you have to boil that juice with a lot of nitrate acid. Which is a SERIOUSLY DANGER move, corrosive vapour in high temperature can kill.
luderick wong it is the electrolyte and the amount (95% I think) of copper in the anode, that allows selective plating of the copper. This is the same process that Anaconda Copper uses to refine copper to be used in electrical wires.
@@robertjeffery3237 how? In a normal situation, say you want to coat copper on iron. You have to prepare a pot of juice contain such as copper sulfate, and only copper sulfate, no other metal. Then you have to prepare a sacrificial plate of copper too. The case now is, you have a pot of solution x, which is not only copper, and a sacrificial piece of metal y, which is a alloy of multi metal. Nothing is pure in this pot, therefore very likely the process did nothing on concentration of any specific metal. It is still “a bunch of metal in one pot”. That's why people use mercury in similar situation. Mercury can “liquidify” silver and gold inside that piece of alloy, and then the quick silver can be steam away in a furnace. Just listen to the procedure you can feel how toxic it is to the operator and the environment. Not recommended.
luderick wong if the plating is for durability or astetics the process is generally a CN electrolyte and pour anodes. For electrowinning the electrolyte can be any mineral acid with a soluble salt. The anode needs to be reasonably pure. 95% is the lowest purity that will not begin coplating emediatly. Watch Sreetips videos on how he refined silver to 99.99% purity. Also Sulpher doesn’t interact with gold and the Pt group metals.
@@robertjeffery3237 sreetip? You must be talking about his silver battery and other method. He is cooking his pot of battery juice with large amount of concentrated nitrate acid. He had prepare his experiment with ventilation, you can hear the fan blowing in his video, cause that vapour can kill. If you are living in a place with neighbour and doing the same experiment, they will come and get you with a shotgun. 😃
seems very wasteful to turn copper powder into a bar when you can just electro away the copper powder and then still have powder left minus copper and zero fuel or time wasted on smelting it. then you would just acid up the remaining stuff
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Your rag tag setup up is part of why I like your vids. It shows ways to do serious things in a safe way but without spending a gob.
This channel has some sort of ineffable secret sauce-- somehow being educational, ASMR-y, and DIY backyard science in the perfect mixture.
So many different ways of getting to the gold!
Have a Great Day!!
Lower your voltage to ~1.5 volts. Create a buss bar. Bag your anode. Alternate cathodes and anodes. The slimes conduct electricity so, they can short out your power supply.
You have any commercial experience ? I wanted to know if you could draw out copper plus 2 ions and zink in seperate cells from same tank with seperate power supplies
@@dekonfrost7 no
robert jeffery no what?
@@dekonfrost7 no I don't do commercial and No you can't strip 2 different ions from the same cell
How can I do a selective recovery of gold in a solution of high copper concentration by electrolysis?
So glad I found this channel. I’ve learned so much thank you.
After panning out most of the gold from the number 1 compartment, you could throw the rest of it in with the number 2 concentrate..then save all the number 2 concentrate,...for later. Basically forget you have this mother load until you've got enough saved up , then you could re-run it on your shaker table...after..perhaps..running this concentrate through your mini ball mill...love your videos...thanx..
Would be great to see you collaborate with @sreetips on a video! The smelting process is a really interesting comparison to chemical refining in that you look for metal solutes to settle to the bottom of a solution, but your solution is molten with the liquid metals settling to the bottom and sreetips' is a lower temp acid with the metals ultimately "cementing" out.
Sreetips rocks!
для очистки отработанного раствора после электролиза можно использовать свинцовый анод, он не растворится в растворе но передаст электроны растворенным металлам что заставит их осесть на катоде, после электролиза в растворе останется вода и серная кислота+ небольшое количество солей , после можно повторно использовать раствор для приготовления раствора для электролиза первичного сплава
We like all your videos and watching your videos gives us great ideas, thank you very much for that.
I'm showing my ignorance here, but I know that gold and silver can both be used in plating. So what was in your setup that took the copper to the cathode but not the gold and silver? Was the electrolyte something that copper could dissolve in but neither gold or silver?
Thank you! I always wanted to try that
Streetips does loads of gold silver refining videos as well as other precious metals have been watching him for a few years Could get some ideas helpful information.
Sreetips. No t.
In what quantities do you mix the copper sulfate sulfuric acid and water to make the electrolyte
You have that anode basket on the bench that would take kilos of buttons and if covered in an anode bag would contain all the sludges.
Can you separate gold and silver this way. Are just Nitrate only.
Hi Jason can u cupel gold in a smelting furnace or do u need a special cupel furnace?
Reminds me of the meth lab in the RV on the first season of Breaking Bad. Nice job of being resourceful and using what you had on hand. Fun to learn the basic chemistry of how this is done. thanks!
Thanks for info sorry you got rid of cooling matrix I know Im not the only that could watch that for hours
Please I am a student learner. can u do a step by step video for me on how the gold is stripped off by use of high pressure gun from the cathode after electrowinning and how the smelting is done till the final bullion is recovered please.
Sreetips has a really great silver cell that he uses, perhaps that might be a good model for you to follow
Gdonya showing us..bravo Zulu from Oz.Busmanjake/Gold Detective/Diamond Hunter..cheers goldbro.....jake
If you are wondering what to do with copper solution waste, try recovering copper with aluminum. You will get a beautiful red sponge.
You shouldn't waste that slime/mud's physical state. A splash or two of nitric acid would put the copper and silver into solution, and leave the precious gold. Solidifying the stuff before separation just makes it that much more difficult. It would need to be re-melted, cornflaked, and re-dissolved in nitric at a later point anyhow. And the cornflaked stuff doesn't dissolve nearly as quickly as the mud -- due to greater surface area exposure to the acid.
bend the edge with a plier to make a spout so you won't pour the liquid all over the sides
How can u determine the quantity per ton with that recovery for precious metals
10:30 you need to force that solution to circulate more so you don't end up with dead zone right around the anode which allows for a much higher depletion rate so you have less in solution to worry about when it comes to the disposal of the waste from this process.
Simple cheap and effective is a bubbler like the one I made from vinyl or ideally silicone tubing a piece long enough to make a Loop of hose the approximate diameter of the midpoint between the center and rim of your container and just make small slices about a third of the way through all along one side of it then make the Loop put it in your Reservoir and it should make a pretty uniform circulation should make that process run a lot faster
great video glad to see you trying other ways to get the gold and silver out of the ore
Hi from Joshua Moses from USA state of Kansas
Curious... How do you separate the gold and silver? Or how would a company separate them after you sell them the beads
The same. As Miami mine does we have the acid plant the Smelter and electrowinning tank house plant
Do a video or two showing how you retrieve the lead from the puples after pulling the gold and silver out in the kiln
Seems like some metals would pass through the cell (and plate out on the cathode) and not fall out as slime... silver sulfate is somewhat soluble (8g/L), not sure about the others (gold, platinum, palladium). Do you know of any reference material that details the process? LOVE your videos.
Go over to streetips RUclips channel and learn away
If at first you don't succeed, hit it again!!
Cool great video
Does MBMM ever do open houses? I'm not too far away and would be interested in checking out some of that equipment in action. Thanks.
Cool
3:06 why did this take so long to freeze out?
Is this just the result of the mass and or specific composition the constituents or was there something else at work it might not be immediately obvious or intuitive?
Did you make or buy the little upside down pyramid?
he made it from 1/2 inch plate steel
Would I be incorrect in assuming that some gold and silver would be in solution in the acid?
Why do you believe it all to be in the slime?
Great video jason
What is the proportion of water sulfuric acid and copper
Thanks
What's the recipe again? What kind of lye? And the other one matt?
Did you mix the slimes powders with flux?
What’s the cuppelation temperature in degrees please?
Brother,
those in Cairo,
they too have been flattened at the top,
could it be our G-d's have done some Melting and Taken-the-Top ...
interesting tho i think acid way is much easyier and much lees work to it anyway interesting
it is fairly easy to convert a computer power supply to provide a 5 or 12 volt if you want to sell toe copper it is well worth running it twice as you will need to do that at least to get 99.99 pure copper so you can sell it as bus bar grade.
I like the idea of following Sreetips example of performing this process in a stainless steel bowl. I can't see gold dissolving in sulfuric acid unless the acid is heated and concentrated, which is phenomenally dangerous. Ultimately, I believe you'd be better off dissolving your raw anode in dilute (35%) nitric acid to get the base metals out, leaving the kind of "honeycomb" Sreetips gets to beginning an inquarting process. Perform some number of nitric acid boils. He does 5 or 6 nitric boils. It's an unfortunate fact of life that you can't really refine silver and gold without nitric acid. That's what keeps me from getting involved with it...I just don't want it around. Also, I think you have to find a friendly someone with an XRF gun who will shoot your samples and buttons for free or even cheap, like $5 a shot.
Great video!
How do I extract cold from this it's full of copper like from soil
how many hours of gold capture by electrowining?
why not have a crucible made in pyramid shape for better separation?
Thank you good
sir. I just want to know if I can melt ore using soda ash, silica sand, and borax? and what is the flux ratio? thanks and more power to your channel.
1 Part ore in fine powder form : 3 Parts Borox . If target metal in very low concentration , then add pure copper as collector , smelt at 1600-1800C , Good luck
You mentioned your electrolyte was full of sulfuric acid. If you use the paper towels, it will dissolve them!
good point
Your fluxes very so much, and some destroy the crucibles. You say standard flux and then you show how it fails? I am not just referring to to this video but of the many I have watched of you. I am glad to learn with you but I still kind of feel lost. I have the textbook from Legends on fire assaying. I will tell you my issue, I have Hemmotite 5 percent gold according to XRF gun, 3 percent copper, 2 percent Zn, 88 percent iron. What flux do you think would work? The book only mentions Hemitie twice in the book? I used your flux recipe from the video with concentrates and you got 15 g of PM's. It turned out so different from your smelt. It was a dark green stone looking, even small grain with edges of clear green glass with a very golden hew to it. The button when cupeled disappeared left very yellow crustiness in it. Could the copper be moving the gold into the slag/matt? Oh yes, and these weird white powdery crystals or clumps in the slag looks like broken white ceramic tile in it. I think the blue of copper and yellow of gold could make that green. I am so fascinated with doing this stuff. You inspired me, I am glad to be doing it. It is great fun for me and gets me outside working.
You need cupilation. To get a really accurate reading on your samples. Make the bone meal then weigh the prills before and after but you need a for real scale .00001 accuracy to get a weight by ton calculation thats worth a dam. Stronger flux destroys crucibles. You need to make them if you are smelting low grade ore to metal. Thats why they used to use mercury and cyanogen gas
Hey Jason, MacGyver would have been proud if you were in a dire situation. A lab coat would have made it complete. :)
I live in acme. do you have open house or meetings. That I could attend. I've been doing this for awhile. I would like to exchange some knowledge.
Nice vídeo.
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Why not make Eddy Current machine
3:35 😮 no hammering required nicely done
You need some better equipment. I would like to see you collaborate with Sreetips. He has some decent filtering equipment.
can separate all alloys ??
need to dissolve nugget in Aqua Regia & precipitate each metal seperately
while you need to keep safety in mind the rig does not need to be pretty it just has to work and the cheaper the better :-)
I am sorry how to melting gold powder
Dumb question. Why the pyramid mold?
Heavy metal sinks. The slad Rises and "floats."
No question is dumb the more you ask, the more I learn
Hello, I ask you to add the Arabic language in the translation so that we can benefit from you. Greetings to you
Dear, I want a metal melting furnace from 10 kilos to 20 kilos, which type I buy, and if you have, please answer
He made a video showing how to make his furnace. His is propane.
Check out devils forge. Quite a few of the hobbiest channels can get you a discount by using their "code"
That's a huge time consuming process..
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That pour was chunky-style.
Reminds me of me after too much Taco Bell.😁
@@donniebrown2896 Ha!
My friend knowing that I am from Iraq and used liquid gas or electricity
tank you good
I love watching this but it just doesn't seem worth it.
Electricity? Nope, electricity won't select metal for you. This process was widely use in industry to coat metal a to the metal b. How do you sure all metal get electrolysis are all copper but nothing else? The deposit on the copper plate can be anything from copper, silver and gold. All the best conducted metal use in industry. Lead also happens to be conductive too, check your car battery, no wonder you say the copper plate becomes heavy. The metal ions can hide inside that pot of battery juice too, if you put nitrate acid in that pod of juice, it turn cloudy colour, very likely there are some silver and gold ions inside. To suck it out, you have to boil that juice with a lot of nitrate acid. Which is a SERIOUSLY DANGER move, corrosive vapour in high temperature can kill.
luderick wong it is the electrolyte and the amount (95% I think) of copper in the anode, that allows selective plating of the copper. This is the same process that Anaconda Copper uses to refine copper to be used in electrical wires.
@@robertjeffery3237 how? In a normal situation, say you want to coat copper on iron. You have to prepare a pot of juice contain such as copper sulfate, and only copper sulfate, no other metal. Then you have to prepare a sacrificial plate of copper too.
The case now is, you have a pot of solution x, which is not only copper, and a sacrificial piece of metal y, which is a alloy of multi metal. Nothing is pure in this pot, therefore very likely the process did nothing on concentration of any specific metal. It is still “a bunch of metal in one pot”.
That's why people use mercury in similar situation. Mercury can “liquidify” silver and gold inside that piece of alloy, and then the quick silver can be steam away in a furnace. Just listen to the procedure you can feel how toxic it is to the operator and the environment. Not recommended.
luderick wong if the plating is for durability or astetics the process is generally a CN electrolyte and pour anodes.
For electrowinning the electrolyte can be any mineral acid with a soluble salt. The anode needs to be reasonably pure. 95% is the lowest purity that will not begin coplating emediatly. Watch Sreetips videos on how he refined silver to 99.99% purity.
Also Sulpher doesn’t interact with gold and the Pt group metals.
@@robertjeffery3237 sreetip? You must be talking about his silver battery and other method. He is cooking his pot of battery juice with large amount of concentrated nitrate acid. He had prepare his experiment with ventilation, you can hear the fan blowing in his video, cause that vapour can kill. If you are living in a place with neighbour and doing the same experiment, they will come and get you with a shotgun. 😃
cool
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Working with H2SO4 like you are you can kiss those shoes and pants good bye lol
A lot of work for little reward.
you can just dissolve the copper with HCL can't you?
HNO3 works better
@@richardmckinney4963 wouldn't the gold dissolve too using that?
@@GrantFrankBurton no nitric by its self wii not dissolve gold, but would put both silver and cooper into solution.
Hcl won't dissolve copper without an oxidizer like h2o2
this is electro refining not electrowinning😃
this cat is a bit of a hype
seems very wasteful to turn copper powder into a bar when you can just electro away the copper powder and then still have powder left minus copper and zero fuel or time wasted on smelting it. then you would just acid up the remaining stuff
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What a giant mess.
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