Hey guys. Awesome show! As a regular supporter (and neighbor) of Copenhagen Suborbitals I just wanted to say *thank you* for your warm words. They really are doing this on a shoestring budget, and every penny you donate *really* does count. Check out their awesome RUclips channel for tons of test and launch videos.
Another danish rocket fan here. I like CS, but did you guys now that we have other rocket groups too. There is of course Peter Madsen (CS co-founder, nolonger in CS) and his team working on rockets as well. Then there's the group I'm part of Danish Space Challenge(DSC), we were the first danes to fly a liquid bipropellant rocket (WFNA/furfuryl alcohol), and we are currently working on a similar bipropellant engine with a comparable performance to the BPM-5. So we have an amateur space race going on over here.
Hey jnielsen20 .. Now "centuries later" in 2018 wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it a "cooperative development in amateur based rocket science" than a "space race"? ;-) It seems, from my point of view in the midst of Copenhagen Suborbitals, that the best capacities grown from the grassroots of the most profound parts of European, albeit mainly danish parts of rocket development entities, is slowly but steadily trying to find the right way to cooperate on a large scale to persuade for a common goal. The WFNA/furfurylic route you mentioned (known as "the brown death") is seemingly no, nay, never in the question EVER in Denmark ever more. Been there, done that .. and I do NOT want to buy the T-Shirt! ;-)
Most impressive rocket thing I've ever seen I saw 5 or so years ago. A little rocket hovering a few feet off the ground for about a minute. With the little bit of engineering knowledge I have... the balancing on top of a rocket engine in a hover problem is mind boggling Unfortunately I forget who did it... might have been a NASA test... Might have been SpaceX... All I remember is being very impressed.
G'day, Um, could that have been the Australian Defence Industries "Hover-Roc" ? It was designed to be deployed from RAN Vessels to Hover between the Ship and any potential Air-To-Sea Missiles, with Radar Reflectors and the Engine's Thermal Signature...; it was pretty much the Royal Australian Navy's considered-response to the spectacle of the Argentinian Air Force's Exocets having sunk the HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor, during the Malvinas/Falklands War in thd early 1980s... Take-Off, and then Hover, at 250-350 Ft Altitude, and 500-1000 Yds range...; to try to "Decoy" the Missile-Attacks onto "Ships" which do not matter.... Welcome, to the collapse of the Global Village's Broadacre Aggro-Cultural Eco-Gnomic Paradim...(! ? !). ;-p Ciao !
+MoOrion Armadillo Aerospace? Masten Space Systems? TrueZero? Unreasonable Rocket? All four teams have done it, several years ago. One of the Armadillo systems continues life as a NASA project under the name Morpheus. More recently, SpaceX started doing similar hovers in 2013 (Grasshopper).
Peter Lund G'day, They're all copycat programs..., three Kangaroos, two Emus, and an ocean-going Wombat did it firsties...; off the coast of South Australia, waybackwhen the Calendar said it was the early 1990s. I can date it by my recollection of watching the News item about the Hover-Rocket on the TV, and I haven't had a TV since leaving my wife in March 1994...; so it certainly isn't any sort of a new trick.... ;-p Ciao !
Copenhagen Suborbitals is really inspiring in a way that SpaceX and Blue Origin are not, because they use off-the-shelf parts wherever possible. As far as I know, every component of their rockets was purchased from a hardware store or some industrial supplier. If they can launch an amateur astronaut into space on a rocket that was basically built in someone's garage, that's going to be historic and awesome. Kind of surreal that one of their co-founders, Peter Madsen, apparently is a serial killer.
G'day, Yay Team..! On the "Back To The Future" theme, am I the only one to notice how much the front of the Lynx, forward of the rear-end of the Cabin-Windows, resembles a 1920s-vintage Flying-Boat...? "Tally Ho...!" (?). ;-p Ciao !
Great show as always. But what happened you the plants? How about some models of the Space Shuttle and some rockets or satellites in the back ground or maybe some posters?
Was thinking about the Venus boats (which I think will ultimately be the best outer space place to live), and what life would be like on those boats. And in particularly I was thinking on the amount of sunlight you receive, and what the tides would be like. Would you drift very slowly across the surface subjected to a 225 day long "day"? Could you use engines to power yourself back and forth between the terminator (the line which separates night from day) and what fuel would that take, where would we get it from, and how much would we need?
+NicosMind The other really nice thing about venus is that whatever ship we had there could theoretically be movable, able to travel not only around the planet venus but between venus and earth, acting as a kind of cruise ship between planets. Unlike for mars where once something is on the ground, it will more than likely stay there.
Chad Leach I would imagine the landing would be much nicer and safer. Youre landing on a nice buoyant, gentle surface after all. Much better than land or water. Hmmm. I wonder how much atmosphere you need to break through to get to that landing aea? Im guessing theres more than the entirety of Mars's, probably making things much easier.
NicosMind 50km from the Venutian surface is where we would want the ship too be so so we would have to punch through about 200km of atmosphere. the nice thing is if we can control the velocity towards the planet, the thick atmosphere can help to slow down the ship so that all they would need to do is make sure the ship is neutrally buoyant at 50km and physics will take care of the rest.
Chad Leach You just saved me some google work :P. I did google the Venus day length so im not totally lazy lol. But yeah 200km is loads! Plus considering the surface area of such a boat you wouldn't need crazy materials for a re-entre like that. It's something I imagine mankind doing in the future and when we do people will be like "why didn't we do this sooner?"
I saw you were baffled by the username "Mille Miglia": this was a pretty crazy car race in the early days of motor sports. 1000 miles through Italy. Hence, mille miglia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mille_Miglia
Important point on the food issue. You need to go to the moon if you want to test any off-world food system which incorporates gravity - notably aquaponics. If you can make that work with no or little input on the Moon, you're all set for grilled fish all over the solar system and beyond.
+nightlightabcd Granted, it's reduced compared to Earth, but the key point is that it remains sufficient to overwhelm other dynamics like surface tension.
U5K0- So, your saying that surface tension would come into play with off earth hydroponics? I don't know myself and had not given that any thought. My big concern is the reduced gravities effect on the human body over time that would lead to physical and mental, and thus social, disability. Many of the things we take for granite here on earth would simply not be available on a off world, thus requiring frequent missions to such places and crew rotations at our expense for no other purpose than bragging rights and huge profits to the contractors.
nightlightabcd that's a separate issue. I was only talking about a food system which cannot be tested on the ISS because of the lack of gravity, but can be tested on the Moon. There are a lot of other systems which also change massively for that reason.
U5K0- In that I guess I could agree, but my point, is why test for food production at all, being that any manned mission to most anywhere is a very, very expensive project with no real payoff. if there is a cost verse benefit analysis , which there should be, manned space missions is a no go. By cost verse benefit, I do not mean a benefit to the capitalist investors who would do the usual thing of the expenses be that of the public and the profits go to them, but to no real benefit for this country.
You wanna know something you can't test on the ISS? (At least until they strap a bigass centrifuge to it) Partial-g medical testing. We KNOW that 0g is bad for the human body, what we don't know is how much less bad 1/6g or 1/3g could be. That bit of data has serious implications for mission planners.
+Will B Hmm, on a second read the relevance to Ben's comment seems tangential at best. The ISS is awesome and I want it to be up there either A. Forever. Or perferably B. Until we make a bigger better one with more modern tech.
Perhaps Copenhagen Suborbitals should have summer camps for teenagers and even adults to help build their rockets. It would be a great way to raise funds. I have sent my son to summer tech camps for coding, why not learn how to bend metal?!
+Stand4Liberty One of the other rocket clubs here, DSC (Danish Space Challenge) in Jutland, does something like that with school children and much (much) simpler rockets.
Do me a favour, contact Starchaser in the UK and find out if it has died or is still alive. It was doing so well and then went to sleep about 5 years ago.
+Ashwin CS Cheekati Hi Ash Thanks for the heads up. Going on starchaser’s previous history, I don’t expect the Tempest rocket to launch in September for a number of reasons. It sounds like a re-hash of the Storm rocket,from 2007, which never flew. Also, Tempest rocket is curiously somewhat retrogressive, and lacking in purpose, given that Starchaser hasflown much bigger rockets, such as Nova 1 in 2001. This too was supposed to be followed up by now. ”Starchaser boss Steve Bennett and astronaut Matt Shewbridge hope to loft the first paying passengers into the cosmos by 2015.” (dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315355/British-rocket-man-launches-mission-private-company-tourists-space--hopes-sky-high-earner.html). Anyone heard any more about this? I entered their competition to become one of their first astronauts several years ago. I’ve heard nothing. The Skybolt rocket has been in the offing since 2006 and is yet to fly. I suspect the Skybolt 2 air-frame, allegedly assembled for the first time in June 215, will likely not fly either. Starchaser has a record of building rockets and not launching them. I feel somewhat lead on by Starchaser. I subscribed to the tune of £20 the other year and guess what; received nothing! One wonders if their public announcements are little more than fund raising activities.
+Franco Carrieri I think Benjamin should bring them on the show...that would be Interesting, would like to hear the problems they have been having with the project as they have hinted about them on a FB post but have not see any details though. I have not heard about them until I saw your comment, looked up online and found a link to their FB page via the News section on the website, I was expecting to see no activity on there but was surprised to see that they are quite active with the project this year
I'd too would like to see them on the show (to have his true intentions probed). Have to warn though, I have spoken with Steve Bennet, the founder of Starchaser, for a good 10 minutes by telephone, and he isn't the best of interviewees, nor does he readily answer a straight question (very very annoying actually). But still, what the heck. Happy skying Ash!
+NicosMind - Venus is even more hostel to human life than even Mars or the moon. Better to go to the moon long before a manned expedition to Venus! The atmosphere of Venus would eat up most any craft that went there in short order.
Alex Kantor- If ma craft can float above the Venusian atmosphere, then why send a manned expiation at all, just sent another unmanned mission that would be much, much cheaper. Unless something very significant, like the remains of a ancient civilization or material that is much, much more valuable then platinum, why send manned missions to anywhere when unmanned mission are so much cheaper and can stay much longer?
+nightlightabcd Because we can't really make Venus any LESS habitable. The atmosphere is already toxic to humans. If we have floating, self contained cities in the atmosphere, we can control the composition of the air in those cities, and any factories we build would have no impact on our environment on Venus at all.
Alex Kantor- Factories for what? Cities ? What would be the point of that, other then to drive the economy of the US into the ground for untold riches of the contractors at our expense for what will inevitably be a lost cause. What could possibly be on Venus that would justify cities there? Have you given any thought at all about this or just fantasizing? The cost would go far beyond trillions and would have to be resupplied every few months at tremendous cost with no benefit at all! Such as you speak of is DOA. No further discussion is warranted, unless of course, the contractors would invest in politics and with money now being free speech, no telling what could happen now. Cities floating around Venus is just plain stupid! perhaps you are unaware that sci-fi is not documentaries!
I love how Mads touches that rocket engine. I am sure he takes it home and sleeps next to it :)
Siderite Zackwehdex You should have seen him hug the second one after it landed.
Hey guys. Awesome show! As a regular supporter (and neighbor) of Copenhagen Suborbitals I just wanted to say *thank you* for your warm words. They really are doing this on a shoestring budget, and every penny you donate *really* does count. Check out their awesome RUclips channel for tons of test and launch videos.
awesome!
Wow, I love your show guys!! You'e always coming up with the best things! Next thing, interview Bigelow or Musk.
Another danish rocket fan here. I like CS, but did you guys now that we have other rocket groups too. There is of course Peter Madsen (CS co-founder, nolonger in CS) and his team working on rockets as well. Then there's the group I'm part of Danish Space Challenge(DSC), we were the first danes to fly a liquid bipropellant rocket (WFNA/furfuryl alcohol), and we are currently working on a similar bipropellant engine with a comparable performance to the BPM-5. So we have an amateur space race going on over here.
Hey jnielsen20 ..
Now "centuries later" in 2018 wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it a "cooperative development in amateur based rocket science" than a "space race"? ;-)
It seems, from my point of view in the midst of Copenhagen Suborbitals, that the best capacities grown from the grassroots of the most profound parts of European, albeit mainly danish parts of rocket development entities, is slowly but steadily trying to find the right way to cooperate on a large scale to persuade for a common goal.
The WFNA/furfurylic route you mentioned (known as "the brown death") is seemingly no, nay, never in the question EVER in Denmark ever more. Been there, done that .. and I do NOT want to buy the T-Shirt! ;-)
How about adding a link to the previous Elon Musk interview in the show notes?
Most impressive rocket thing I've ever seen I saw 5 or so years ago. A little rocket hovering a few feet off the ground for about a minute. With the little bit of engineering knowledge I have... the balancing on top of a rocket engine in a hover problem is mind boggling Unfortunately I forget who did it... might have been a NASA test... Might have been SpaceX... All I remember is being very impressed.
G'day,
Um, could that have been the Australian Defence Industries "Hover-Roc" ?
It was designed to be deployed from RAN Vessels to Hover between the Ship and any potential Air-To-Sea Missiles, with Radar Reflectors and the Engine's Thermal Signature...; it was pretty much the Royal Australian Navy's considered-response to the spectacle of the Argentinian Air Force's Exocets having sunk the HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor, during the Malvinas/Falklands War in thd early 1980s...
Take-Off, and then Hover, at 250-350 Ft Altitude, and 500-1000 Yds range...; to try to "Decoy" the Missile-Attacks onto "Ships" which do not matter....
Welcome, to the collapse of the Global Village's Broadacre Aggro-Cultural Eco-Gnomic Paradim...(! ? !).
;-p
Ciao !
+MoOrion
Armadillo Aerospace? Masten Space Systems? TrueZero? Unreasonable Rocket?
All four teams have done it, several years ago. One of the Armadillo systems continues life as a NASA project under the name Morpheus.
More recently, SpaceX started doing similar hovers in 2013 (Grasshopper).
Peter Lund
G'day,
They're all copycat programs..., three Kangaroos, two Emus, and an ocean-going Wombat did it firsties...; off the coast of South Australia, waybackwhen the Calendar said it was the early 1990s.
I can date it by my recollection of watching the News item about the Hover-Rocket on the TV, and I haven't had a TV since leaving my wife in March 1994...; so it certainly isn't any sort of a new trick....
;-p
Ciao !
Peter Lund
Morpheus rings a bell. I remember it looking like a mini lunar lander.
Secret Chinese footage... I love you guys
Copenhagen Suborbitals is really inspiring in a way that SpaceX and Blue Origin are not, because they use off-the-shelf parts wherever possible. As far as I know, every component of their rockets was purchased from a hardware store or some industrial supplier. If they can launch an amateur astronaut into space on a rocket that was basically built in someone's garage, that's going to be historic and awesome.
Kind of surreal that one of their co-founders, Peter Madsen, apparently is a serial killer.
Another awesome show guys. I see as of today no dislikes for this show yet! I'm gonna look for that old Elon interview you said you have.
G'day,
Yay Team..!
On the "Back To The Future" theme, am I the only one to notice how much the front of the Lynx, forward of the rear-end of the Cabin-Windows, resembles a 1920s-vintage Flying-Boat...?
"Tally Ho...!" (?).
;-p
Ciao !
The wait but why article is so awesome. I have yet to listen to the podcast
Great show as always. But what happened you the plants? How about some models of the Space Shuttle and some rockets or satellites in the back ground or maybe some posters?
Wow wooow wwooooow! What happend to "Tomorrow begins RIIIGHT now"?
sound of the video seem too low?
fancy intro. great show. edit: saying something would be "the worlds most boring hike ever" means something else when you're not on this world ;)
Was thinking about the Venus boats (which I think will ultimately be the best outer space place to live), and what life would be like on those boats. And in particularly I was thinking on the amount of sunlight you receive, and what the tides would be like. Would you drift very slowly across the surface subjected to a 225 day long "day"? Could you use engines to power yourself back and forth between the terminator (the line which separates night from day) and what fuel would that take, where would we get it from, and how much would we need?
+NicosMind The other really nice thing about venus is that whatever ship we had there could theoretically be movable, able to travel not only around the planet venus but between venus and earth, acting as a kind of cruise ship between planets. Unlike for mars where once something is on the ground, it will more than likely stay there.
Chad Leach I would imagine the landing would be much nicer and safer. Youre landing on a nice buoyant, gentle surface after all. Much better than land or water. Hmmm. I wonder how much atmosphere you need to break through to get to that landing aea? Im guessing theres more than the entirety of Mars's, probably making things much easier.
NicosMind 50km from the Venutian surface is where we would want the ship too be so so we would have to punch through about 200km of atmosphere. the nice thing is if we can control the velocity towards the planet, the thick atmosphere can help to slow down the ship so that all they would need to do is make sure the ship is neutrally buoyant at 50km and physics will take care of the rest.
Chad Leach You just saved me some google work :P. I did google the Venus day length so im not totally lazy lol. But yeah 200km is loads! Plus considering the surface area of such a boat you wouldn't need crazy materials for a re-entre like that. It's something I imagine mankind doing in the future and when we do people will be like "why didn't we do this sooner?"
WOO MCT
The Lynx delays are nothing compared to Falcon Heavy, always one year away since 2011.
what is that song played during the breaks?
we always used GMT in the army as well as Zulu time and BST (British Army) what's the issue with time?
I think it's more of a style choice. UTC sounds better.
I saw you were baffled by the username "Mille Miglia": this was a pretty crazy car race in the early days of motor sports. 1000 miles through Italy. Hence, mille miglia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mille_Miglia
Important point on the food issue.
You need to go to the moon if you want to test any off-world food system which incorporates gravity - notably aquaponics. If you can make that work with no or little input on the Moon, you're all set for grilled fish all over the solar system and beyond.
+U5K0 - Don't you mean incorporates reduced gravity?
+nightlightabcd Granted, it's reduced compared to Earth, but the key point is that it remains sufficient to overwhelm other dynamics like surface tension.
U5K0- So, your saying that surface tension would come into play with off earth hydroponics? I don't know myself and had not given that any thought. My big concern is the reduced gravities effect on the human body over time that would lead to physical and mental, and thus social, disability. Many of the things we take for granite here on earth would simply not be available on a off world, thus requiring frequent missions to such places and crew rotations at our expense for no other purpose than bragging rights and huge profits to the contractors.
nightlightabcd that's a separate issue. I was only talking about a food system which cannot be tested on the ISS because of the lack of gravity, but can be tested on the Moon.
There are a lot of other systems which also change massively for that reason.
U5K0- In that I guess I could agree, but my point, is why test for food production at all, being that any manned mission to most anywhere is a very, very expensive project with no real payoff. if there is a cost verse benefit analysis , which there should be, manned space missions is a no go. By cost verse benefit, I do not mean a benefit to the capitalist investors who would do the usual thing of the expenses be that of the public and the profits go to them, but to no real benefit for this country.
Nautilus X
You wanna know something you can't test on the ISS? (At least until they strap a bigass centrifuge to it) Partial-g medical testing. We KNOW that 0g is bad for the human body, what we don't know is how much less bad 1/6g or 1/3g could be. That bit of data has serious implications for mission planners.
+Will B Hmm, on a second read the relevance to Ben's comment seems tangential at best. The ISS is awesome and I want it to be up there either A. Forever. Or perferably B. Until we make a bigger better one with more modern tech.
Perhaps Copenhagen Suborbitals should have summer camps for teenagers and even adults to help build their rockets. It would be a great way to raise funds. I have sent my son to summer tech camps for coding, why not learn how to bend metal?!
+Stand4Liberty One of the other rocket clubs here, DSC (Danish Space Challenge) in Jutland, does something like that with school children and much (much) simpler rockets.
Do me a favour, contact Starchaser in the UK and find out if it has died or is still alive. It was doing so well and then went to sleep about 5 years ago.
+Franco Carrieri here you go facebook.com/starchaseruk ;)
+Ashwin CS Cheekati
Hi Ash
Thanks for the heads up.
Going on starchaser’s previous history, I don’t expect the Tempest rocket to launch in September for a number of reasons. It sounds like a re-hash of the Storm rocket,from 2007, which never flew.
Also, Tempest rocket is curiously somewhat retrogressive, and lacking in purpose, given that Starchaser hasflown much bigger rockets, such as Nova 1 in 2001. This too was supposed to be followed up by now. ”Starchaser boss Steve Bennett and astronaut Matt Shewbridge hope to loft the first paying passengers into the cosmos by 2015.” (dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315355/British-rocket-man-launches-mission-private-company-tourists-space--hopes-sky-high-earner.html). Anyone heard any more about this?
I entered their competition to become one of their first astronauts several years ago. I’ve heard nothing.
The Skybolt rocket has been in the offing since 2006 and is yet to fly. I suspect the Skybolt 2 air-frame, allegedly assembled for the first time in June 215, will likely not fly either. Starchaser has a record of building rockets and not launching them.
I feel somewhat lead on by Starchaser. I subscribed to the tune of £20 the other year and guess what; received nothing!
One wonders if their public announcements are little more than fund raising activities.
+Franco Carrieri I think Benjamin should bring them on the show...that would be Interesting, would like to hear the problems they have been having with the project as they have hinted about them on a FB post but have not see any details though.
I have not heard about them until I saw your comment, looked up online and found a link to their FB page via the News section on the website, I was expecting to see no activity on there but was surprised to see that they are quite active with the project this year
I'd too would like to see them on the show (to have his true intentions probed). Have to warn though, I have spoken with Steve Bennet, the founder of Starchaser, for a good 10 minutes by telephone, and he isn't the best of interviewees, nor does he readily answer a straight question (very very annoying actually). But still, what the heck.
Happy skying Ash!
ples i up voted dont get me ;p
Venus has ozone and decent gravity. Screw you lot wanting to go to Mars or the Moon. Venus all the way :P
+NicosMind - Venus is even more hostel to human life than even Mars or the moon. Better to go to the moon long before a manned expedition to Venus! The atmosphere of Venus would eat up most any craft that went there in short order.
+nightlightabcd but you can float on top of the hostile environment on Venus, unlike on Mars or the Moon.
Alex Kantor- If ma craft can float above the Venusian atmosphere, then why send a manned expiation at all, just sent another unmanned mission that would be much, much cheaper. Unless something very significant, like the remains of a ancient civilization or material that is much, much more valuable then platinum, why send manned missions to anywhere when unmanned mission are so much cheaper and can stay much longer?
+nightlightabcd Because we can't really make Venus any LESS habitable. The atmosphere is already toxic to humans. If we have floating, self contained cities in the atmosphere, we can control the composition of the air in those cities, and any factories we build would have no impact on our environment on Venus at all.
Alex Kantor- Factories for what? Cities ? What would be the point of that, other then to drive the economy of the US into the ground for untold riches of the contractors at our expense for what will inevitably be a lost cause. What could possibly be on Venus that would justify cities there? Have you given any thought at all about this or just fantasizing? The cost would go far beyond trillions and would have to be resupplied every few months at tremendous cost with no benefit at all! Such as you speak of is DOA. No further discussion is warranted, unless of course, the contractors would invest in politics and with money now being free speech, no telling what could happen now. Cities floating around Venus is just plain stupid! perhaps you are unaware that sci-fi is not documentaries!