FIRST LOOK: Cadillac Celestiq - America’s £300k Rolls-Royce And Bentley Rival
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- You’re looking at the most luxurious Cadillac ever, the new £300k Celestiq, a limousine leviathan aimed squarely at Rolls-Royce and Bentley.
What do you get for all that money? The most technologically advanced vehicle in Cadillac’s history, which means everything from a 55-inch HD screen across the dash, via trick chassis systems, to active aero. It also rides on GM’s Ultium Platform, a dedicated EV architecture that in Celestiq guise mates an 111kWh battery with two motors, for four-wheel drive and over 600bhp.
Tech is only half the story though. Each Celestiq will be hand-built at the new Artisan Center [sic], at General Motors’ Global Technical Center [sic] campus, in Michigan, USA. And only after each one has been customised by the owner - in collaboration from Caddy’s designers - at the nearby Cadillac House at Vanderbilt.
It’s an ultimate flagship to lead Caddy into the electric era, so we sent Top Gear’s deputy editor Ollie Kew over to America to take a look.
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Name your favourite Cadillac...
The CTS model from 2008 to 2013.
Cimarron, Cetera, or Allante 🤡
I honestly have no idea (I'm not American)
My dad owned a 1980 Coupe DeVille. All the rusted holes were covered by tape that flapped in the wind as he drove along. The driver window was held up by a stick that we jammed inside the door. The 100-pound solid-steel trunk fell on my dad's head and he was never the same after that.
Escalade if it were EV
I think they could’ve made it longer…
exactly
Exactly
Nah it would’ve just been like a typical sedan. No unique in any way
Maybe so long, it could cross different time zones?!
Perfect size. Trunk in garage and hood in dealership service bay . New Cadillac motto.
Demuro is gonna have a field day...
exactly all the quirks wwould make him explode
TTTHHHISSSS
@@Digitalstar3Perfect!
That guy is such a beta
THISSSSS is the Cadillac Cyberpunk 2025 EV-olt Supercharged Battery Azure Lemondrop Lighting Speedback.
This is gonna depreciate like crazy
True of almost every single ultra luxury vehicle. Older Bentleys, Rolls, high end Mercs, and BMWs are only worth a tiny fraction of their new cost.
Don't think so, I'd bet they'll make under 100 of them.
@@popzic And because of that you think the price will stick ???
Just look at the Maybach.
If anyone worries about that, they cannot afford it.
When you find a Cadillac with a goddess emblem from the past for cheap, you let me know.
How did someone green light that styling?
I think it works. I have a Lyriq. The rear panels look a little odd, but it's none the less interesting.
It is absolutely ghastly.
Looks awesome to me. Modern ICE appliance cars have set a bad trend. Soo bland and unoffensive. Industry is healing.
Looks like a big Citroen
Definitely looks French.
I said the same thing. I agree.
Very strong vibes of Numero 9 concept
Yep, an SM
I'd agree with that although that's not necessarily an insult. Big Citroën have always been good looking and historically have been some of the most luxurious vehicles on the road. They're still comfy today although they're not a big fan of continuing to work year after year...
Ten patents to eliminate shark fin antenna, but let’s replace it with a shark fin rear view camera. Genius!
I couldn't believe my ears when he explained that
Plus now if your windshield gets cracked it's unimaginably expensive to replace
@@jabradle98 maybe it made of sapphire with titanium coating?
lol exactly
American way of doing it lol
When are they going to release the long wheelbase version?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The 6 wheel version is planned for 2026. It will have its own bathroom.
Who let Homer Simpson in the Cadillac Design room.
lmao
Just what i think.... in the first second ha hA
guys stop talking with people and show actually a car properly. 21 minutes of video and the car is showing only 5 minutes of it
This isn't the full production yet. TG will eventually do a real world test drive of it once it has gone on sale.
It's good to hear the actual thoughts of engineers and designers though, anyone can read a spec sheet and then do a boring drag race and burnouts like other channels.
@@anydaynow01 so maybe makes sense to make it 50%-50%? Show the actual car review and combine it with the interview of people who made the car but not just talking.
And for that reason these videos get a 👎 from me every time!
100% agree
The front half looks so nice, though the rear 40 metres of the car look awful.
I disagree, the rear quarters remind of the original Citroen DS or the Jensen Interceptor. These are some of the most beautifully avant garde designs in automotive history. That said, beauty is subjective. I can understand why some might not love the design.
@@AkioWasRight the rear quarter of the Jenson is exactly what ruins it for me
glad they made a unique design rather than sticking the the same old large luxury SUV crap found everywhere
-Exclaimed, the car designer.
I don't completely agree, but you did make me giggle and that's worth a lot.
Literally nobody in the US thinks of Cadillac as the "Rolls Royce" of Automobiles anymore. Not since the early 70's
sad truth i think. i would probably say cadillac is one of the most luxurious if not most luxurious american car brand, but even cadillac is still far far away from a common european luxury brand like bmw or mercedes imo (not to be like everyone else and put them on a pedestal). i think americans are far more concerned with power and sound over luxuries when it comes to cars. atleast most people i would think, feel free to correct.
@@sammich136 I agree. Cadillac is lost for image and trying too hard to be a sports type car.
They're lost. Good bye Cadillac.
@@sammich136 You never sat in a Cadillac Escalade I presume ?
I can unfortunately tell you that nowadays, outside of the US, most people consider them tasteless and badly built.. Those who like old timers of course think more fondly of the brand because of some of the classics. I personally would be extremely glad to see them doing good again, and I must say, this car is way less boring and less ugly than for example all of the Mercedes EQ models or the BMW XM. And I think this needs to be the the market they are targeting. There is no way anyone would take this over a Bentley or a Rolls, especially if you are trying to aim at an audience where money does not matter.
Qualitatively speaking, I am hopeful that they can keep up with the likes of Merc and BMW, I am sure it would be possible, we'll just all have to see in practice
The car will basically be a guaranteed international failure if they try to compete with the true luxury brands. The only people who would be interested, would probably me American multimillionaires with a liking for the brand, or some form of patriotic intent making them chose this.
If they aim at having a possibly better deal than upper business class cars. This would get sales everywhere
Cost to manufacture that glass roof embedded with antennae elements would be outrageous. And all done for a patent to remove the antennae from the shark fin - and put a camera in it instead. Genius.
Out of all the amazing concept cars Cadillac has had in recent history, this has got to be one of the oddest ones they could have picked to be produced
Why this and not Cien? 😢
Its not a concept 😊
Agreed, their other ones were all so much more interesting and didn't have the same power train, power and range as every car today including a Kia and a Hyundai. I found that they didn't spend enough time on the interior to let us understand how this is any nicer than a 100k car while costing 3x as much. I get that the manufacturing processes are different, but the end result is what matters and at first glance it doesn't look any more fancy than most other high end luxury cars.
It’s hard to differentiate now that everyone is making SUVs. I drove a nice Audi SUV and a Japanese SUV back to back. Now that all cars are nice, it wasn’t that big of a difference. It certainly wasn’t $40K difference.
LOL! I was thinking the same....
A rare instance where it actually feels like they’re releasing the concept car
But you wish they hadn't :)
@@screenm0nkeynah what, this is great. I'd have this over an SUV halo car any day
@@rumblezerofiveYeah. Agreed. Not a fan of SUVs, myself. But this. Really? Can you imagine the devaluation. I mean, if it has an ICE then it might not lose so much money but this thing is going to be worth about $60k after three years. I guess the people buying a $300k Cadillac probably don't care :)
Looks almost identical to the concept, and yet strangely the concept car looks quite good whereas the production car looks sh!t. That’s quite an achievement
Audi launching RS GT felt the same!
INCREDIBLE! I think they'll sell all three they make.
looks like it was designed for a Chevy Chase "Vacation" reboot
it needs the "metallic pea" paint color
Looks a bit like a Jensen interceptor/ Lamborghini Espada from the side.
yeh, that came to mind for me as well
Indeed, without the style and pizzazz.
Couldn't have put it better myself
Yes. I like station wagons. This is kind of like that as well.
Spot on. My thoughts exactly.
It's a literal cyberpunk car come to life. Unbelievable
For real!!!
My thought exactly!
And what about the new huyndais and especially the new rivian r3? The time has come
No cyber punk vibe. Just modern sense from it.
@@johnryan6003
No definitely cyberpunk vibe. Or GTA
My favorite Cadillac's are from the mid 1950s through to the late 1960s.
Absolutely agreed!
I guess that's true for most people. Those cars were distinctive and a real statement. No wonder they have become iconic.
The 3D Car render artists are going to have an absolute field day with this car just like they did with the BMW M3/M4 grills.
Man, Cadillac really didn’t want to leave any blind spot on the table when they designed this one.
Imagine doing a u turn in that bih
This is going to be a major flop.
These halo car for mainstream brands usually aren’t meant to make a profit. They are there as brand booster or ego boosters.
That being said, the Maybach and BMW 7 at around 200k will be the better car and cheaper.
You can’t compete with a Rolls or a Bentley.
dont you understand the simple term "flop"@@zeedustrakok
It's not a flop if it makes people think about Cadillac again. This isn't a car that's supposed to sell, this is the kind of car that's supposed to get onto posters so that people peek into the showrooms and hopefully pick up something more reasonable.
@@wojciechmuras553 Like Bugatti?
@@wojciechmuras553its not going to "get onto posters" since it looks like every other big car out there but bigger and more boring
The best part of this video is when it ends
I agree.. and Ill be having auto nightmares with this horror in my mind ..gosh its ugly ..and Cadillac doesnt listen to their old customers they just create stupid looking concept cars
couldn't agree more
As another commenter said, this car is definitely a HUGE statement of intent and major return to form from Cadillac however the decision to do it with this particular design I feel is not going to go over well with the general public and may, in turn, prevent other more desirable designs to ever make it off the drawing board due to the failure of going this route. There is just something off about it. It's sort of like you really really want to like it but can't, almost as though it's unfinished and is missing its identity. It's definitely missing that "oh I got to have one of those" vibe that brings passion to a car and its brand. I just don't see this model being a success whatsoever and really wish they would have done this with perhaps an SUV. It looks like a station wagon of the future but one that doesn't really know it's a station wagon. It's like they tried to make a 1950s Cadillac with today's safety and design requirements and this is what we get. I want to love it but I just can't and I'm sad about that (not really). I think Cadillac should create their version of a G wagon and should have used these beautiful materials and metals in a model like a G63 over something that looks like this. Imagine a more affordable G wagon with these Cadillac interior features. I'd be the first in line to get one.
Holy C-pillar Batman!
Surprised he didn't have a single question for the designer about the proportions, the taillights...
He was likely coached on which questions not to ask.... and signed off an agreement pre-interview(s)
Because he wasn't the designer. The designers already had a small mock up model done before he even knew about it.
Just could not keep a straight face doing it
Did you watch the video @@TitanSubZero15
Oh guaranteed. Just shocking for one of the best known automotive review brands, to get the first chat with the lady who really truly designed it and not even wink/nod to the polarizing back end @@CoolVIguy
Imagine working for Top Gear - doing a huge reveal for Cadillac - and thinking "Yeah, I don't need to iron my pants"
jeremy wouldn't have either
@@Lukas-eh4cf are you comparing this dude with Clarkson?
Something about the looks reminds me of an old Citroen.
Old Citroën are beautiful this is another piece of America shite!
My thought...did that not occur to anyone reviewing this design...I mean before they approved it?
That back end… Does not scream Cadillac.
I agree..it simply laughs at a failed attempt
No, it does! It's screams 1950s nonsense
Needs fins
You clearly have never seen the 1980-1985 Seville
@UnionPacific1997 most people who complain about expensive cars despite not being able to afford them don't know about classic everyday drivers like the Seville
Looks like a Citroen Halloween nightmare
All that custom opulence, at a $300,000 pricetag, and they still went with a standard (mass produced) steering wheel, column, and control levers? Good to see that Cadillac is still doing Cadillac things...lol
It’s gonna need every rear view camera it has and collision avoidance tech with that huge C pillar blind spot!
It reminds me of the time Homer’s half brother let him design a car.
The “Homer”!
The persephone (per-seff-in-knee)!
Haha literally just commented this then scrolled down to see yours. Great minds...
Unky herb
I was thinking the same!!!!! “It needs to have a cup holder to fit MY cup!”
It looks weird enough for some people to hate it but also for some people to love it. I would never want one myself but I can see someone wanting one.
I agree… I like that’s it’s different , but feels very much like a Cadillac …. I’ve learned that sometimes things I thought looked wild, were just trend setters…. I very much could decide that I hate it tho lol
no way is it worth $340k.. Never in my life will I spend that kind of money on a cadillac 😂
It’s an EV. The whole market is collapsing. The timing on this ugly thing couldn’t be worse
@@pulsefiendyou’ll be able to buy a used one in a year or two for $30,000
In the singular maybe
if the touch-to-open door breaks and/or no-power than how do you open the door?
my mouth was hanging open while watching. Terrific video. Thank you. I enjoyed it very much.
Dude is roasting Cadillac in the most subtle way
Yup - and gleefully Brit accent. But who the hell wants to hear about luxury from a guy in a t-shirt? He’s not Jack Dorsey. Put a goddamn shirt on.
16:09 “I feel like a lot of the stuff you’ve just done is because it sounds cool” 💀🤣
@@b.east42 Exactly, the car is just nice and beautiful, but that guy described the design elements with too much exaggeration
Yes, the Brits are definitely masters of sarcasm.
Imagine working on the Escala, Elmiraj and Ciel and you end up with this...thing...
YES best design language and concepts. Don’t know what the heck happened.
Very expensive hurst
@@TheAustrianPainter87 I hate when people say "it's not economical" since this is a $300k Nissan Sentra. We could've gotten with the other looks. They're clealy reusing parts of other GM cars and selling it off as "Cadillac" I mean, it's understandable if it's suspension or powertrain bits but they use other parts like trims, grills, light housings.
@@wanderingbufoonIn a rolls royce you will find many parts come from the BMW 7 series. Window switches, seat controls, infotainment etc... Bentley takes from VW group too.
@@TheMaxilegs yeah, certainly the brand aren't what they were. No reason people should pay for that price tag when everything about it isn't bespoke and many parts can be found in other workhorse cars. You can see this with Ferrari and Lamborghini a lot. You pay 10x the amount for a screw that is basically a VW.
Great work patenting antenna in glass. Now everytime the windshield cracks, you have to replace antennas, create more e-waste while "saving environment" with EVs.
How many windshields are you going through for that to be a concern?
I don't know about the look of this modern Cadillac, but personally I really love the old classic 60s, 70s look of Cadillac and imagine if you drive one of those oldies on the road now, I am sure it will turn quite a lot of heads.
Props to Cadillac for even thinking about merging a Lagonda Shooting Brake and a....Porsche 928? At least it's different!
You know what, this is the exact description
I wondered if anyone else saw the 928 in the rear
From one angle it looks 944 in back. First gen Panamera vibes as well. The whole car needs refining. If we get a gen2 Panamera it’ll be cool.
I think this car is the answer to a question nobody asked.
which is the American way, convince you that you need something, then sell you that something.
@@Decenium that may have worked 70 years ago but not in today's information society. People aren't that stupid anymore.
People that buy 350k hand built cars have garages full of cars like that.
Front 5 metres is pretty sweet. The rear 15 metres is absolutely grotesque.
Looks more like a 150-200k car than a 350k car to be frank
Looks can be deceiving. I guess this car only appeals to those who also take inner beauty into account.
Hundred percent. Way overpriced. Scam alert
Props to Cadillac for actually being *Cadillac* for once 🇺🇲
(from a lifelong weirdo import guy)
True - but they downsized us Cadillac owners so much we were getting used to it. Think I'll just buy another ATS coupe and store it.
The worst part of a Top Gear subscription is getting new Top Gear recommendations.
waw this vehicle comed from space ❤❤❤❤
The pinnacle of creativity ❤thanks Cadillac ❤
Do you really need to use 33 thousand emojis for every word you type
This is 'the pinnacle of creativity'? Oh please.
"Comed" from space? I'm confused because English is not my mother tongue
BOY IF THIS AINT A RESKINNED HEARSE???? 9:47 got me hollerin
Someone must be missing a stash of LSD after seeing this 😂
Cadillac have always to me made great concept cars from the Ciel, Escala & the El Mirage. Now this!
Hey, @ exactly 6:23 was something I know I've seen before but what was it!? I'm not sure if that was just a concept or a very small production run of maybe an Eldorado or something? + I'm so thankful for the progression of technology;; I love the fact that most of the latest car makes & models have pretty much eliminated the very obvious, safe but kinda clunky, after thought like front & rear bumpers. From the bars that were visibly attached to the frame at the invention of the car to the huge art deco era chrome statement pieces, to the 'obvious afterthought' eyesores slapped onto early Lamborghini models..... they were for safety reasons but they simply become the norm
I am not going to hold my breath. I saw at least 5 concepts that have not come out yet
Designer: "What about the Rover SD1? Maybe that could work"
Rover SD1, Jensen Interceptor, Leyland Force7, Kia Stinger, 6000SUX,....
"Yeah, the SD1... We could make our whole dashboard featureless and symmetrical, so that it looks like we could just swap the wheel to either side of the car to suit both RHD and LHD markets!"
"Won't that look a bit cheap for a Rolls Royce competitor?"
"No - all the metal is real metal."
@@PiDsPagePrototypes 6000SUX 😂
@@MrMarcusjarvey "An American Tradition"
The profile reminds sooo much of the cheeky car advert from the 1987 Verhoeven’s Robocop; the 6000 SUX. 😂
Just looked it up and it's a ringer 😮
Yeah, and they’ll even through in a Blaupunkt!
"Big is back, because big is better!"
The side view is very reminiscent of the Lamborghini Espada in my eyes, particularly when presented in that orange color. Certainly a striking design, and likely very polarizing. It is good to see that at least one of the three American heritage manufactures is trying to make a vehicle on par with the best that Europe has to offer. Hope it will succeed.
I'd love to see a v12 in this, looks gorgeous, well done!
Cadillac really went to town with the Celestiq!
crazy town that is
Might wanna redesign the rear end.
I think you mean amputate
Rolls or Bentley owners hardly ever drive a four door but, the chauffeur will be comfortable. Good luck with this!
That is the most beautiful hearse I've ever seen🥲
Looks very Cyberpunkish, love it.
Actually looks super cool. Surprised at how much im digging the looks
My face just made the same one that it made when I saw the Cybertruck roll out.
I'm very impressed very cool stuff 👍👍👍!!!
That orange is so wrong in that shape. Hideous
Definitely
The shape is so wrong in that colour. The shape is just... wrong. Hideous thing. Taking cues from interesting vehicles, yet managing to make a complete mess of it.
The shape is already horrendous. The color only cranks that up to another level of ugly.
Love the front half of the car. Back half seems to be a bit less desirable. Good luck with sales.
Already sold out for 18 months. I don't think production will exceed 500 units, and considering they're planning on making about 150 units a year; they're alright.
That is absolutely gorgeous, especially in orange.
I'm getting Peugeot vibes from the front end... and those American executives do like the end of finger on end of finger dual hand gestures :D
Reminds me of my grandpas station wagon after he was rear ended
Nobody will buy this
Correction: _You_ won’t buy one. You will never speak for the entire nation, buddy.
@@G-Rated obviously exaggerating. Just saying they should have built a vehicle that actually rivals an S Class instead of the crap they currently produce. They are trying to jump from leather wrapped Chevy impalas to Rolls Royce level.
They're already backordered for 2 years building two cars a day LOL
@@GM-kj6sb *gm* stopped building the Impala at least 5 years ago. That’s how far behind you are, brother. 🤦🏽♂️
@@G-RatedThe only good GM products are the new V models, Escalade, and the Corvette. Everything else is a pile dog 💩. Don’t even get me started with the XT5 and XT6.
Nice Shooting Brake! Outstanding car 👌🏼👌🏼
6:23 anybody know what car this is? It looks like a mix between a Coupe De Ville and a Thunderbird. I have never seen that Cadillac before. Its gorgeous.
*I found it, it was a concept car from Cadillac called the El Camino. They never ended up making it sadly, and the name was used by GM for the famous Chevrolet pickup
Wow! Cars have come full circle in my lifetime! My first car I got, before I was gifted a proper car, was my grandparents 1971 Ford LTD…a boat of a car that was like 30 ft long, weighed like 7 tons, had a 7 liter engine in it just to make it go down the street…we called it the beach barge as surfer kids…you could sleep 5 in it…1 across each bench seat and 3 in the trunk! You could put entire surfboards in the trunk, and close it!! That’s what this monstrosity reminds me of!!!😂
It's striking and visually interesting, but not exactly what anyone would describe as 'good-looking', and the "price", well, that's just ridiculous!!!
Yep, it's incredibly tacky looking...nothing ageless or beautiful (from a historic or modern standpoint). That thing is going to age like milk.
I think the Cullinan is funny looking, its proportions are off and it isn’t big enough. People still buy it though.
@@oskar6661 🤣
That shooting brake look is so badass. It's nice to see Cadillac move beyond it's stereotypical image.
This has got to be the new model Cadillac that they will turn into the BEAST for the President...with of course some serious modifications!!!!
Absolutely stunning inside out. I'm glad they made a halo car, my respect for the brand's capabilities is higher now. And I'm glad it isn't a crossover.
Looks straight out of Cyberpunk2077, like something Kerry would drive.
I was thinking about this exact thing!!! I also just put cyberpunk down right before I watch this video.
Looks the Herrera outlaw
I'm an 80s baby... so Brougham and Biaritz are what come to my mind when I think about a custom Cadillac's.
It kinda reminds me of a modern take on the 6000-SUX from Robocop.
My first intrusive thought too😅
yoo i just watched all the robocops the other day
only thing is the the 600 SUX looked way better
This was my first thought as well. 😂😂
Finished in beautiful traffic cone orange
It's an abomination
what is the black and white car at 6:24?
How much will a replacement roof panel be.
Thinking anyone would choose this over Rolls Royce is hilarious 😂
I mean, it's more of a patriotic choice to go with the Cadillac.
@@mrbears34it's an ugly car..
If you want to buy a patriotic car buy a Tesla they are the most American made cars.
If I was going to buy a 300k car no way would I buy a Cadillac over a Rolls Royce ..
Just remember it is running on GM software..
Apparently you've never heard of NBA players
NBA players want loud Engines @@3xclusiv3sodak
@@mrbears34funny because talking about the roof glass they are saying it’s made in Peru.
They should have called it 6000SUX
It's cool that the transition from concept to real car didn't really took much out of it.
Still, the best move from concept to real car is Lexus' LF-LC, which became the LC500.
Looks like its straight out of Cyberpunk.. I love it
This will definitely be a one and done
No door handles is great until you have an accident and first responders have nothing to pull at to get you out…
Try pushing the button with a coating of ice on it!
Don't be ridiculous! This car is never going to get in an accident. Certainly not as long as it's _that_ colour.
@@eyesuckleheck, you could see that car from the ISS
@@eyesuckleit might get a few bumps considering the front and the rear are in different postcodes
@@eyesuckle I own a '66 Thunderbird that is MORE orange than that, and have been rear-ended in it anyway. I wish high visibility colors could stop drivers from taking their eyes off the road, but they'll do that no matter what color your car is. At best it just means everyone paying attention to the road, as they should be, will in fact notice you. But it's not a guarantee that they're doing that.
It's like beauty and the beast at the same time
I think this is a on par with the 70's Cadillac's as they pulled all the stops.
The front half looks so nice
I don’t get why they chose orange for the show car. The ruby red or navy blue would look so much nicer and show off the lighting more prominently. The interior is amazing though! Glad there’s American competition to the usual Euro ultra luxury cars. Next it would be nice to see an ultra luxury Genesis and Lexus for some Asian competition.
Lexus has a rolls royce/bentley rival with the century, but they dont sell it outside of japan iirc
Can’t wait to see them new for 80k. Still on the lot lol
you're being really kind there
that cadillac 16 could be released today, damn that looks good.
To be honest while I’m not a fan of the design, or of Cadillac in general, I do think this car is definitely a HUGE statement of intent and major return to form from Cadillac, this car is everything that the brand should’ve always been. Welcome back Caddy, we missed you.
Lol, that thing is trash. Will sell maybe 1000
As a Caddy fan, it makes me happy to hear a non-caddy fan say this.
He trippin’
nahh
@@msawyer110my guy you do understand that this is to be a hand built small batch product right? This is more of a brand statement to raise the overall marquis.
I see a Aston Martin La gonda wedge styling cue in the rear door. The use of metal touch surfaces is impressive.
The Cadillac Espada..i like it!
A Porsche garage tour is my favourite, I could spend an age in there.