Nice! I have some videos on Euro Nymphing for steelhead as well if you haven't seen them. Check out the fully Euro Nymphing Series playlist linked below. the last videos in the playlist are specific to steelhead. I still have 2 volumes left to produce on the steelhead videos. ruclips.net/p/PLuLwf7ym7i7bre38GWqk0pXZggydq3Z5m
Thank you so much for these tutorials! You've made getting into euro nymphing so much more approachable and I'm having an absolute blast learning it. I was so overwhelmed with all the information and discerning what was or wasn't good advice before I came across your series. Definitely going to start going through the fly tying tutorials now!
That's awesome! I'm glad this series is helping so many people! 😊 I also think tying your own flies is really helpful when euro nymphing! I can tie them exactly as I want and I tie my flies heavier than you can buy most of them. I had to tie my own flies for euro because I just couldn't get what I wanted otherwise.
One of the best series on fishing I have come across. Both in material and quality. I hope your viewership continues to climb to the size these videos deserve. Which will hopefully equal many more.
Thank you so much. I am so glad you shared the problem with having too many knots in your leader, and as you mention the leader formulas are so varied. You gave me a good place to start. I think as you said in an earlier video that when casting upstream or up and across to use the downstream water pressure to load your rod for your forward cast, thank you, MSG Leum
Yes. Once you are out on the water you'll start putting more and more pieces together! Casting is one of the basics that you'll want to get a good feel for.
I received notification of this posting yesterday and just didn’t have time to watch it until this morning! Wow! So much detail that I was continually backing up and re-watching to ensure I was understanding!! The dual tippet details cleared up my misunderstandings about using two flys. I’ll attempt to put this new knowledge to work on the Chattahoochee River this afternoon!!! Great video and thanks for sharing!
That is exactly why I am doing this series! :) I created all of the chapter breakdowns so that you can come back and watch certain sections again. There is so much information that there is no way you pick it all up with one time through. And you need some time on the water to put some of these things in perspective. Everyone is on their own fly fishing journey and I wanted these videos to be a reference to people throughout their journey no matter where they are in that journey :)
love the videos and thanks for walking me through the steps of learning something new. also the old forge signs brought back childhood memories of Adirondack woodcraft camp that i went to in the early 70's
Oh Cool! My family has a camp in Old Forge and we spend a lot of time up there! I've never been into the Woodcraft camp but we paddle the Moose River off that road sometimes.
By far the most comprehensive euro nymphing material on YT, just what I was looking for. And well presented too. Subscribed. And hello from Tauranga, New Zealand!
First of all thank you so much! The series has been a lot of work (and stress sometimes lol) so I appreciate that kind of feedback! Also, I love that this series is connecting us with people all over the world! Best of luck on your season in New Zealand!
I tied my dropper inline for many years and refused to use a dropper tag. In my head I thought it would cause so many problems with a dropper tag... But once I finally tried it I never looked back! 😛
This is amazing! Thank you a lot for your videos, they are literally GOLD! A gold mine for beginners. I've ordered, based on your recommendations, a nymph setup. Not sure how good it is but I hope for the best for the money I could spend on it. 1. Vision Nymphmaniac 10'6'' AFTM 3 2. Lamson Liquid Smoke -5+ 3. Rio Euro Nymph line Can't wait for it to arrive and get to a river with trout! Again, thank you!
That's awesome!!! I'm so glad you've found the channel and are enjoying! I think that setup sounds perfect! I might try the Lamson Liquid myself. I know a few people who have it and they like it.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany sad thing is the shop has contacted me yesterday saying that the rod is unavailable until 25.11 this year, so I’ve cancelled the whole order :( So now I will have to wait until then. Maybe I can pick something better for the money if I add 100-200$ more. Was thinking about the Sage Sense.
@@andreiiancu5144 Bummer. I had a buddy who bought the Sage Sense and I got to play with it. It is not their high end rod like the ESN but it is a great rod and inline with most Euro rods you'll find out there. Check out the new Cortland Competition MK II. I have a buddy who prefers that rod over his top of the line Sage ESN!!! I think it goes for around $300. I know a few people with that rod and they all love it.
Thanks! There are several more coming. I have to see how the "on water basics" is going to break down. I would doubt I can get that into a single video.
Yeah... this one got delayed with end of summer vacations and then kids activities with getting back to school and sports and everything. The fall is going to be a bit crazy... but I'm gonna try to not let so much time pass before the next one.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I personally just wooly buggers usually in a size 4-6 when I do that lol it's usually pretty early in the season though like the first week of may end of April
Quick question...do you see any benefit of running fluorocarbon tippet to the point fly and traditional tippet to the dropper, or is it negligible? Thanks
Typically, any line that goes under the water is fluorocarbon because it is more resistant to abrasion and it refracts light at the same rate as water making it less visible (supposedly). It also sinks slightly better and is a smaller diameter for the strength. The lines above the water tend to be monofilament lines because they make them in highly visible colors and they float better (if you want to float the sighter). So I would stick with Fluorocarbon lines for both flies but in the end it really won't matter too much.
I don't think how you attach the dropper and point flies makes a difference in where you put the heavier or lighter fly. In general a heavier point fly allows you to cover 2 depths in the water column. A heavier dropper and lighter point is more likely to cover the same depth. I'll almost always put the heavier fly on the point. But sometime, especially in winter, when fish are hugging tighter to the bottom, I'll put a heavier fly on the dropper and lighter fly on the point to offer 2 options to the fish at the same depth.
So the point fly is usually the heavier fly. Is the upper (tag-end) fly typically weighted, too? Also is the upper fly typically on a jig style hook? Thank you.
Many of my flies are on jig hooks but I tie some that are not (caddis and sexi stone). The style of hook doesn't affect where I put them on my rig though. I choose my flies based on the conditions and how I want to distribute weight on my leader.
Thanks For Sharing. Very informative Just getting started in euro Not sure if this has been asked. What are your thoughts on eeuro nymph larger spey Flies? I know we can but will this produce as many fish ? Im trying to visulize action with the fly and im thinking it can be productive?
Do you always use a heavier fly for your point fly I have generally been using lighter fly as my point fly when I’m indicator fishing and I’m wondering if it’s different between when you indicator fishing and when you’re your euro You
Most of the time I have the heavier fly on the point. I typically allows me to cover the water column better with 2 flies at different depths. Sometime I may want to have both flies at the same depth... most likely during winter when fish and hanging tighter to the bottom. In that case I may use the heavier fly as the dropper and use a smaller fly like a perdigon as the point. It will ride a little close to the same depth that way.
Thanks for this video, and the whole series, it's amazing for someone starting like me! I'd like to ask you a question: does it make sense to substitute the triple surgeon knot connecting main tippet and dropper with a microring (for simplicity and ease of substitution)? Thanks
You can definitely do that. It will make typing your tag ends easier as you begin. One less thing to worry about. As you get better you may opt to eliminate the tippet ring and tie the triple surgeon at some point.
Bryan, what’s the best way to gauge or measure the depth of your swim? I want my tippet to be bouncing the nymphs along the bottom, so if I’m new to the river - how would I estimate the tippet length. Many thanks
I honestly start long on the tippet and then usually cut it down if I need to. But often I'll just keep the sighter further off the water if the tippet is long. The key is getting the right drift and you can usually tell you've got it when your flies slow down compared to the water on top but don't snag bottom too often. Ideally you want to touch bottom every few casts while seeing that your flies slow down. A good starting point is 1.5X the depth of the water you are fishing.
Not in particular. It is just easy to tie the triple surgeons knot and get the 2 tag ends that you want. If you wanted to tie that knot further up the line and leave the main line as the longer tag that is perfect fine as well.
Double fly rigs usually get tangled up due to the casting motion. If you try to keep a somewhat of an oval pattern when casting the flies they do not get tangled up. The only time I get tangled is when I set the hook on a fish or it comes off the bottom and starts flying out of the water toward a tree and I quickly whip the rod down... that almost always ends up in a tangle which is utterly annoying to deal with!
Thanks for the great video series. Just a clarification please. In the double fly rig, is the red (demo) line the original tippet to your point fly and the blue line your added tag for your dropper fly? Or is the blue (demo) line the original tippet? TIA
I had to go back and see how I did it in the video 😂 But I always use the tippet from the main line as my dropper and then when I tied the second piece of line in, that goes to my point. In the case of the video it is the blue line that goes to my tippet ring.
Another great video. Btw I also enjoy your adventure videos! I heard you on the JP Ross podcast say the how to videos do better. Just letting you know at least one guy watches them! And look forward to the next one. No pressure though lol
Thank you! I personally enjoy the adventure videos too :) I have at least one more small stream video coming that should be pretty cool. I took the time to try to get some pretty cool shots with that!
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany awesome! Looking forward to it. I am still in the photo stage of my trips on Instagram. Video as you know is a whole other production, literally! You have it figured out though 👍
as a newbie, I spent the other day not catching anything for several hours, going through different flies, tied one on and in 5 min I had 3 fish!! last one broke the line, tried a similar fly.... nothing! they really are quite picky about what they will take even if its 90% the same fly
If there is active fly activity they can be picky and will prefer something very similar to what is actively hatching or moving. I've found that more often than not I can get them to take many different flies. However, in some situations they definitely prefer one over the other. Do you use multiple flies in your rig? Using multiple flies can show you what they want sometime. This weekend on one stretch of river they were biting the big Sexi Stonefly and the small Walts Worm evenly. Then on a stretch a mile down the road but in more of a good riffle I caught 20 fish all on the Walts Worm and none on the Sexi Stonefly. There was no mistaking they wanted the smaller nymph in that case!
Hi there I can't remember if I asked you before but would it be any advantage 🤔 tying in a 1 or 2 ml tippet ring above the point fly to run the dropper off rather than triple surgeon. Cheers Craig NZ
Someone asked me that recently but I can't remember who... or where for that matter. The advantage would obviously be that it would make it much more simple to retie tippet and flies without having to worry about a triple surgeon knot. The downside is even though it is small it might be more visible to the fish. I have never used a tippet ring below the surface of the water but it could definitely be done and would like not affect most fish. What will often happen is that the dropper tag gets too short or you break off and need to retie that section. In that case I don't retie the whole triple surgeon but will add a dropper tag above the previous knot with a simple uni knot that will slip down to the previous knot. that's an easy way to add the dropper back without redoing the whole thing.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Hi Bryan that makes a hell of a lot of sense aye. Doing a uni above the old surgeon sounds great 👍. Hey I can't wait for the other videos like practical on water stuff. Cheers for your time stay safe 🙏 over there.
I tie my main piece of tippet to the tippet ring. Then I use another piece of tippet the tie the dropper and use a triple surgeons knot to add my dropper tag.
You could definitely use a tippet ring for the knots to make it easier. I have seen people do that. It might not be quite as clean but whatever is going to help you is the right thing for you. When you get further along and more comfortable with the setups you may decide to alter your process but do what works for you. These videos are here for a long term reference as well... so don't feel like you have to understand everything right away. Everyone is on their own journey in fly fishing... just keep learning and improving and most importantly enjoying!.
One question….so in one video you said general rule, most times you start with a 6 ft piece of tippet. So do you have your 6’ tippet, then tie on 20” piece for your point fly or approximately 4 ft of tippet with an additional 20” tied on tag line, making the total 6’?
Very good question! My total tippet length from the tippet ring to the point fly will typically be around 6ft unless I'm in consistently shallower or deeper water.
I have been watching these videos now for a couple of weeks and they are fantastic. But I only subscribed today because of email problems. Your series is very thorough bust as always I have a few questions. I live in north central PA and watched the video on reading the water for winter fishing. Many of the mountain streams that are near me do not have deep holes as you were describing. But one of my questions is "since deep is a relative term from the video the holes that you fished and caught fish 'how deep were those holes'"? Also i did see the link below that displayed your videos but not all were listed on my computer. Is there a secret in getting all of them? All in all great work Bryan and look forward to watching another one soon.
Deep is definitely a relative term. In this case the deep water was maybe 3 to 4 feet deep. I actually doubt it was 4 feet deep. I honestly do not like euro nymphing in water that is deeper than 6 feet or so and that is on the deep side for my streams. You essentially want to find the slower water that is deeper than the rest of the water in your stream. Those are the places you'll find your winter fish. I'm not sure 100% sure what videos you were speaking of in the links.... I link a lot of videos usually 😂 But here is the Euro Nymphing Playlist... it will give you all of the videos in the series. ruclips.net/p/PLuLwf7ym7i7bre38GWqk0pXZggydq3Z5m If you want to see all of my videos you can go to the channel and browse through all of the videos I've ever done. This link will bring you to the videos page on my channel... every video is listed here. ruclips.net/user/WhiteDogTrailCompanyvideos
Good video ,thanks. Based on what you said about not using split shot. For Steelhead on the Salmon River do you only use heavy single flies such as Sexi Stoneflies? Are your egg flies heavily weighted or do you then use split shot when they’re feeding on egg ?
Very good question! I do use split shot for salmon and steelhead but as little as possible (one or maybe 2 BB size shot). Last year I ended up getting rid of all of the split shot and just used the weight in the bugger. My main fly for salmon is a wooly bugger which I tie in this video ruclips.net/video/vzQu_z44mIA/видео.html The more pressured the salmon are the more natural and smaller I go but you can still pack a lot of weight into the fly itself! Not using split shot for salmon also helps avoid foul hooking them. For steelhead my main fly is a glo bug... and that one is hard to get down so I end up using split shot most of the time. I want to experiment with adding weight into the glo bug itself.. maybe with some tungsten beads. If you do estaz eggs you can easily add some tungsten bead and lead into them as well.
I went to the Salmon River a week ago and tried euro nymphing for the first time. 3 for 3 , I’m a happy camper 😄. Fishing was tough the high water didn’t bring in many fish. I found Couple runs that would not have been deep in lower water that paid off. I got them on heavily weighted eggstacy eggs. Size 8 hooks ,3/16” tungsten beads with a bunch of lead wire as well. They weighed just over a gram each. Thanks for your videos they helped. Greg
Hi white dog outdoors! Love ur series and the podcast u we’re on. Another question I have since it bothers me a lot and I’m new to euro nymphing is how do u euronymph slow water and what about deep pools ? What if it’s a combination of both ? Thanks! 😄
Really good questions! I have done well in some slower areas that are still moving. I typically will go with lighter flies is slow water and try to let the little bit of current pull them along. Heavy flies in slow water will basically need to be dragged along and then you'll kind of be stuck to fishing just off the tip of the rod and not be able to reach far. So I'll go lighter and try to let the current carry the flies. Depending on the water I may give the flies a little more slack and not keep such a tight line so I don't pull them too much toward me. If it is deep water you will want a longer tippet section and heavy flies. You will often lose touch more in deeper water so use your sighter to help you. You may opt to use 3 flies in deep pools to get the flies down faster. I've done that a few times. I'll use the heaviest flies I have and maybe even 3 of them.
Yeah pretty much... but it doesn't use rubber legs. It uses sexi floss for the legs which might create a little more leg movement than rubber and they won't go bad with age like rubber can.
I usually go at the end of Sept or very early Oct... but I decided to skip it this year to finish up some of the projects I have going on. I am hoping to make it up for steelhead instead. We'll see.
Not anywhere near as much as you think it would. I actually stayed away from doing dropper tags like this for a long time! But it is all I'll do now. A proper casting motion will help alleviate tangles.
Question: When I tie a two fly rig, my tippet goes from the tippet ring all the way to the point fly. I then tie a short section of tippet one X smaller to the tippet about 18” above point with triple surgeon knot and trim the tag pointing up close and use other tag for the upper fly. I think this gives me a better connection to the point fly. And since I change the upper fly more frequently, it makes it easier to add a new dropper tag by simply trimming the tag close and adding a dropper with a clinch knot above the surgeon knot
@Joseph Lehosky I expect one is not better than the other. I think you're achieving the exact same thing as me and I've seen people do it both ways. We both end up with the same length lines fixed at the same points. When my dropper gets too short I'll clip it back and add a new dropper tag like you but I use a Uni Knot above the previous tag knot instead of a clinch knot.
Does anyone really believe heavily weighted flies, esp. those with tungsten beads, "act" naturally? The better set up would be to place the weight at the bottom of the leader and unweighted flies on droppers above at the appropriate depth to be fished.
Check out our full EURO NYMPHING SERIES here: ruclips.net/p/PLuLwf7ym7i7bre38GWqk0pXZggydq3Z5m
This series is quickly becoming the definitive RUclips nymphing tutorial. Great job dude and thanks for the all the knowledge your providing us with.
Wow!! Thank you for this comment! :) I'm glad it is helping people!
Totally agree! This is a great series. Keep them coming please. Really relatable presentation style too.
I use a similar rig for steelhead, but with an indicator, an unweighted egg fly on top and a weighted nymph or squirmy worm on the bottom.
Nice! I have some videos on Euro Nymphing for steelhead as well if you haven't seen them. Check out the fully Euro Nymphing Series playlist linked below. the last videos in the playlist are specific to steelhead. I still have 2 volumes left to produce on the steelhead videos. ruclips.net/p/PLuLwf7ym7i7bre38GWqk0pXZggydq3Z5m
Every video just gets better. I love how you impart usable information without ego or a condescending attitude.
Thank you! I appreciate your comments 🙂
Thank you so much for these tutorials! You've made getting into euro nymphing so much more approachable and I'm having an absolute blast learning it. I was so overwhelmed with all the information and discerning what was or wasn't good advice before I came across your series. Definitely going to start going through the fly tying tutorials now!
That's awesome! I'm glad this series is helping so many people! 😊 I also think tying your own flies is really helpful when euro nymphing! I can tie them exactly as I want and I tie my flies heavier than you can buy most of them. I had to tie my own flies for euro because I just couldn't get what I wanted otherwise.
best euro nymphing videos ever. so in depth .so much info.thanks. jim walker
Thank you Jim! Comments like this are what keep me moving forward with it :)
Thank you again for taking the time to put together this series. It is VERY much appreciated by me and a lot of beginner Euro nymph newbies
One of the best series on fishing I have come across. Both in material and quality. I hope your viewership continues to climb to the size these videos deserve. Which will hopefully equal many more.
Thank you so much! ❤
Maintaining control, love it. Still learning, paying more attention at 65 than I did going to school back in the 60's and 70's...lol
I'm glad you're enjoying the series!!!
Thanks!
Thank you!
Thank so much for your videos they remove a lot questions
Plus the way you discuss the topic in details
Glad you like them! 😊
Thank you so much. I am so glad you shared the problem with having too many knots in your leader, and as you mention the leader formulas are so varied. You gave me a good place to start. I think as you said in an earlier video that when casting upstream or up and across to use the downstream water pressure to load your rod for your forward cast, thank you,
MSG Leum
Yes. Once you are out on the water you'll start putting more and more pieces together! Casting is one of the basics that you'll want to get a good feel for.
I received notification of this posting yesterday and just didn’t have time to watch it until this morning! Wow! So much detail that I was continually backing up and re-watching to ensure I was understanding!! The dual tippet details cleared up my misunderstandings about using two flys.
I’ll attempt to put this new knowledge to work on the Chattahoochee River this afternoon!!!
Great video and thanks for sharing!
That is exactly why I am doing this series! :) I created all of the chapter breakdowns so that you can come back and watch certain sections again. There is so much information that there is no way you pick it all up with one time through. And you need some time on the water to put some of these things in perspective. Everyone is on their own fly fishing journey and I wanted these videos to be a reference to people throughout their journey no matter where they are in that journey :)
Love it, best instruction Euro Nymphing videos I have seen.
Outstanding series . Clear explanations with examples. The textbook of Euro Nymphing.
Thank you so much!
Wow...fantastic series!
Thank you!
Great info for this beginner! Thanks!
You're welcome! I hope the series helps you! 🙂
Brilliant series on Euro nymphing the best and most easily explained on RUclips well done
Thank you! I definitely appreciate comments like this! 🙂
These videos are the best. Just came back from fishing and was successful! Thank you, Thank you!!!
Great to hear! That's what it's all about!
Gold. Thanks for this series 👍🎣
Thank you! I'm glad you are enjoying it!
Great info for understanding and learning how to euro nymph fishing. Thanks WDO.
You're welcome! I'm glad you are enjoying!
love the videos and thanks for walking me through the steps of learning something new. also the old forge signs brought back childhood memories of Adirondack woodcraft camp that i went to in the early 70's
Oh Cool! My family has a camp in Old Forge and we spend a lot of time up there! I've never been into the Woodcraft camp but we paddle the Moose River off that road sometimes.
By far the most comprehensive euro nymphing material on YT, just what I was looking for. And well presented too. Subscribed. And hello from Tauranga, New Zealand!
First of all thank you so much! The series has been a lot of work (and stress sometimes lol) so I appreciate that kind of feedback! Also, I love that this series is connecting us with people all over the world! Best of luck on your season in New Zealand!
Really great material. And well presented. But what I really love is your enthusiasm for the subject!
Thanks! It is definitely a passion for me :)
Very informative and well-structured series. Thanks
Thank you! I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Great series.
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying it! 🙂
Great videos. Just got the Euro setup and and this answered most my questions. Going out tomorrow and giving it a go. Thx again
Good luck!
This video was super helpful thank you so much 😁
Thank you for this series, just what I need for my learning process. Cant wait to hit the waters.
That's awesome! Good luck and I hope you enjoy the whole series!
Great tutorials thanks mate cheers Tim
Thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the series!
This is a great detailed video for starting Euronymphing! Thanks for your great work !
Thank you!
Fantastic Thanks
Thanks!
Those are some great tips! I’ve been tying my droppers wrong all along. Stoked about the give-a-way! 🙏🏻🇺🇸
I tied my dropper inline for many years and refused to use a dropper tag. In my head I thought it would cause so many problems with a dropper tag... But once I finally tried it I never looked back! 😛
This is amazing! Thank you a lot for your videos, they are literally GOLD! A gold mine for beginners.
I've ordered, based on your recommendations, a nymph setup. Not sure how good it is but I hope for the best for the money I could spend on it.
1. Vision Nymphmaniac 10'6'' AFTM 3
2. Lamson Liquid Smoke -5+
3. Rio Euro Nymph line
Can't wait for it to arrive and get to a river with trout!
Again, thank you!
That's awesome!!! I'm so glad you've found the channel and are enjoying! I think that setup sounds perfect! I might try the Lamson Liquid myself. I know a few people who have it and they like it.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany sad thing is the shop has contacted me yesterday saying that the rod is unavailable until 25.11 this year, so I’ve cancelled the whole order :(
So now I will have to wait until then. Maybe I can pick something better for the money if I add 100-200$ more. Was thinking about the Sage Sense.
@@andreiiancu5144 Bummer. I had a buddy who bought the Sage Sense and I got to play with it. It is not their high end rod like the ESN but it is a great rod and inline with most Euro rods you'll find out there. Check out the new Cortland Competition MK II. I have a buddy who prefers that rod over his top of the line Sage ESN!!! I think it goes for around $300. I know a few people with that rod and they all love it.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany thank you a lot! I will definitely check it out!
great job!
I am enjoying your series and I am learning a lot. I can’t wait until the next one!!
Glad you enjoy it! 🙂
Love the series! I find it super informative. Keep up the great work for all of us wannabe euro nymphers!
Thanks! Glad to hear you're liking it :)
Another informative video. Looking forward to the next!
Thanks! There are several more coming. I have to see how the "on water basics" is going to break down. I would doubt I can get that into a single video.
Happy to subscribe to your videos to learn how beginning euronymphing from France!!! Continue!
Welcome aboard! Happy to have you with us from France! I love that this series is connecting with people all over the world!!!
Thank you again 👏👏👏
You're welcome 😊
Woo !! Been waiting for this
Yeah... this one got delayed with end of summer vacations and then kids activities with getting back to school and sports and everything. The fall is going to be a bit crazy... but I'm gonna try to not let so much time pass before the next one.
I euronymp for bass sometimes in creeks if the water is pretty dirty and I can't get them on the swing
I catch bass accidentally on euro from time to time... but they never take a regular nymph... they always take a big sexi stone.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I personally just wooly buggers usually in a size 4-6 when I do that lol it's usually pretty early in the season though like the first week of may end of April
I could use a rod. Thanks john
Quick question...do you see any benefit of running fluorocarbon tippet to the point fly and traditional tippet to the dropper, or is it negligible? Thanks
Typically, any line that goes under the water is fluorocarbon because it is more resistant to abrasion and it refracts light at the same rate as water making it less visible (supposedly). It also sinks slightly better and is a smaller diameter for the strength. The lines above the water tend to be monofilament lines because they make them in highly visible colors and they float better (if you want to float the sighter). So I would stick with Fluorocarbon lines for both flies but in the end it really won't matter too much.
If you tie your point fly to the hook or eyelet of the dropper would you still use the heavier fly as the point or bottom fly (nymph) ?
I don't think how you attach the dropper and point flies makes a difference in where you put the heavier or lighter fly. In general a heavier point fly allows you to cover 2 depths in the water column. A heavier dropper and lighter point is more likely to cover the same depth. I'll almost always put the heavier fly on the point. But sometime, especially in winter, when fish are hugging tighter to the bottom, I'll put a heavier fly on the dropper and lighter fly on the point to offer 2 options to the fish at the same depth.
So the point fly is usually the heavier fly. Is the upper (tag-end) fly typically weighted, too? Also is the upper fly typically on a jig style hook? Thank you.
Many of my flies are on jig hooks but I tie some that are not (caddis and sexi stone). The style of hook doesn't affect where I put them on my rig though. I choose my flies based on the conditions and how I want to distribute weight on my leader.
Thanks For Sharing. Very informative Just getting started in euro
Not sure if this has been asked.
What are your thoughts on eeuro nymph larger spey Flies? I know we can but will this produce as many fish ?
Im trying to visulize action with the fly and im thinking it can be productive?
Much of euro nymphing is getting the flies down to the fish so weighted flies are generally required. You could try a spey fly on the dropper though.
Do you always use a heavier fly for your point fly I have generally been using lighter fly as my point fly when I’m indicator fishing and I’m wondering if it’s different between when you indicator fishing and when you’re your euro You
Most of the time I have the heavier fly on the point. I typically allows me to cover the water column better with 2 flies at different depths. Sometime I may want to have both flies at the same depth... most likely during winter when fish and hanging tighter to the bottom. In that case I may use the heavier fly as the dropper and use a smaller fly like a perdigon as the point. It will ride a little close to the same depth that way.
Good Video but I am fond of using the Mac Brown knot system for rigging up 2 nymphs
I'm not familiar with Mac Brown. Did a quick google search and see he's a NC guide. I'm not familiar with his methods though.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany His knot system is easy to tie and quick once you get it down The dropper knot is great
Thanks for this video, and the whole series, it's amazing for someone starting like me! I'd like to ask you a question: does it make sense to substitute the triple surgeon knot connecting main tippet and dropper with a microring (for simplicity and ease of substitution)? Thanks
You can definitely do that. It will make typing your tag ends easier as you begin. One less thing to worry about. As you get better you may opt to eliminate the tippet ring and tie the triple surgeon at some point.
Bryan, what’s the best way to gauge or measure the depth of your swim? I want my tippet to be bouncing the nymphs along the bottom, so if I’m new to the river - how would I estimate the tippet length. Many thanks
I honestly start long on the tippet and then usually cut it down if I need to. But often I'll just keep the sighter further off the water if the tippet is long. The key is getting the right drift and you can usually tell you've got it when your flies slow down compared to the water on top but don't snag bottom too often. Ideally you want to touch bottom every few casts while seeing that your flies slow down. A good starting point is 1.5X the depth of the water you are fishing.
Thankyou
is there a reason why you use the main line for your dropper ( blue in video) . vs tying in a dropper?
Not in particular. It is just easy to tie the triple surgeons knot and get the 2 tag ends that you want. If you wanted to tie that knot further up the line and leave the main line as the longer tag that is perfect fine as well.
my double rig gets tangles so much just like that rig how do i stop that?😊
Double fly rigs usually get tangled up due to the casting motion. If you try to keep a somewhat of an oval pattern when casting the flies they do not get tangled up. The only time I get tangled is when I set the hook on a fish or it comes off the bottom and starts flying out of the water toward a tree and I quickly whip the rod down... that almost always ends up in a tangle which is utterly annoying to deal with!
Thanks for the great video series. Just a clarification please. In the double fly rig, is the red (demo) line the original tippet to your point fly and the blue line your added tag for your dropper fly? Or is the blue (demo) line the original tippet? TIA
I had to go back and see how I did it in the video 😂 But I always use the tippet from the main line as my dropper and then when I tied the second piece of line in, that goes to my point. In the case of the video it is the blue line that goes to my tippet ring.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Thanks
Another great video. Btw I also enjoy your adventure videos! I heard you on the JP Ross podcast say the how to videos do better. Just letting you know at least one guy watches them! And look forward to the next one. No pressure though lol
Thank you! I personally enjoy the adventure videos too :) I have at least one more small stream video coming that should be pretty cool. I took the time to try to get some pretty cool shots with that!
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany awesome! Looking forward to it. I am still in the photo stage of my trips on Instagram. Video as you know is a whole other production, literally! You have it figured out though 👍
as a newbie, I spent the other day not catching anything for several hours, going through different flies, tied one on and in 5 min I had 3 fish!! last one broke the line, tried a similar fly.... nothing! they really are quite picky about what they will take even if its 90% the same fly
If there is active fly activity they can be picky and will prefer something very similar to what is actively hatching or moving. I've found that more often than not I can get them to take many different flies. However, in some situations they definitely prefer one over the other. Do you use multiple flies in your rig? Using multiple flies can show you what they want sometime. This weekend on one stretch of river they were biting the big Sexi Stonefly and the small Walts Worm evenly. Then on a stretch a mile down the road but in more of a good riffle I caught 20 fish all on the Walts Worm and none on the Sexi Stonefly. There was no mistaking they wanted the smaller nymph in that case!
Hi there I can't remember if I asked you before but would it be any advantage 🤔 tying in a 1 or 2 ml tippet ring above the point fly to run the dropper off rather than triple surgeon.
Cheers Craig NZ
Someone asked me that recently but I can't remember who... or where for that matter. The advantage would obviously be that it would make it much more simple to retie tippet and flies without having to worry about a triple surgeon knot. The downside is even though it is small it might be more visible to the fish. I have never used a tippet ring below the surface of the water but it could definitely be done and would like not affect most fish. What will often happen is that the dropper tag gets too short or you break off and need to retie that section. In that case I don't retie the whole triple surgeon but will add a dropper tag above the previous knot with a simple uni knot that will slip down to the previous knot. that's an easy way to add the dropper back without redoing the whole thing.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Hi Bryan that makes a hell of a lot of sense aye.
Doing a uni above the old surgeon sounds great 👍.
Hey I can't wait for the other videos like practical on water stuff.
Cheers for your time stay safe 🙏 over there.
So I got my sighted line with a spilt ring when I add the tipper how to I add a dropper ?
I tie my main piece of tippet to the tippet ring. Then I use another piece of tippet the tie the dropper and use a triple surgeons knot to add my dropper tag.
hope when i go fishing i remember all the info you provided.
is a tippet ring option to tie the point fly and the dropper ( in stead of the knot) ?
You could definitely use a tippet ring for the knots to make it easier. I have seen people do that. It might not be quite as clean but whatever is going to help you is the right thing for you. When you get further along and more comfortable with the setups you may decide to alter your process but do what works for you. These videos are here for a long term reference as well... so don't feel like you have to understand everything right away. Everyone is on their own journey in fly fishing... just keep learning and improving and most importantly enjoying!.
Thanks for the great content! Question: Would you ever use an unweighted fly off the dropper?
Sure! In fact a fly without weight will look nice and natural in the current.
One question….so in one video you said general rule, most times you start with a 6 ft piece of tippet. So do you have your 6’ tippet, then tie on 20” piece for your point fly or approximately 4 ft of tippet with an additional 20” tied on tag line, making the total 6’?
Very good question! My total tippet length from the tippet ring to the point fly will typically be around 6ft unless I'm in consistently shallower or deeper water.
@@WhiteDogTrailCompany thank you for answering so quickly! I am trying this in the morning here at the Lower Mountain Fork River in Oklahoma.
@@BeccyAGarvin Awesome! Good luck!!!
I have been watching these videos now for a couple of weeks and they are fantastic. But I only subscribed today because of email problems. Your series is very thorough bust as always I have a few questions. I live in north central PA and watched the video on reading the water for winter fishing. Many of the mountain streams that are near me do not have deep holes as you were describing. But one of my questions is "since deep is a relative term from the video the holes that you fished and caught fish 'how deep were those holes'"? Also i did see the link below that displayed your videos but not all were listed on my computer. Is there a secret in getting all of them? All in all great work Bryan and look forward to watching another one soon.
Deep is definitely a relative term. In this case the deep water was maybe 3 to 4 feet deep. I actually doubt it was 4 feet deep. I honestly do not like euro nymphing in water that is deeper than 6 feet or so and that is on the deep side for my streams. You essentially want to find the slower water that is deeper than the rest of the water in your stream. Those are the places you'll find your winter fish.
I'm not sure 100% sure what videos you were speaking of in the links.... I link a lot of videos usually 😂 But here is the Euro Nymphing Playlist... it will give you all of the videos in the series. ruclips.net/p/PLuLwf7ym7i7bre38GWqk0pXZggydq3Z5m
If you want to see all of my videos you can go to the channel and browse through all of the videos I've ever done. This link will bring you to the videos page on my channel... every video is listed here. ruclips.net/user/WhiteDogTrailCompanyvideos
Good video ,thanks.
Based on what you said about not using split shot.
For Steelhead on the Salmon River do you only use heavy single flies such as Sexi Stoneflies?
Are your egg flies heavily weighted or do you then use split shot when they’re feeding on egg ?
Very good question! I do use split shot for salmon and steelhead but as little as possible (one or maybe 2 BB size shot). Last year I ended up getting rid of all of the split shot and just used the weight in the bugger. My main fly for salmon is a wooly bugger which I tie in this video ruclips.net/video/vzQu_z44mIA/видео.html The more pressured the salmon are the more natural and smaller I go but you can still pack a lot of weight into the fly itself! Not using split shot for salmon also helps avoid foul hooking them. For steelhead my main fly is a glo bug... and that one is hard to get down so I end up using split shot most of the time. I want to experiment with adding weight into the glo bug itself.. maybe with some tungsten beads. If you do estaz eggs you can easily add some tungsten bead and lead into them as well.
I went to the Salmon River a week ago and tried euro nymphing for the first time.
3 for 3 , I’m a happy camper 😄. Fishing was tough the high water didn’t bring in many fish.
I found Couple runs that would not have been deep in lower water that paid off.
I got them on heavily weighted eggstacy eggs. Size 8 hooks ,3/16” tungsten beads with a bunch of lead wire as well.
They weighed just over a gram each. Thanks for your videos they helped.
Greg
@@LokiLures That's awesome! Congrats! :)
Super informative as always. I may have missed it but what knot are you using to tie your tag line to your main line?
Thanks Jason! When I tie the dropper tag I use a Triple Surgeons Knot leaving a long enough tag for the dropper.
Hi white dog outdoors! Love ur series and the podcast u we’re on. Another question I have since it bothers me a lot and I’m new to euro nymphing is how do u euronymph slow water and what about deep pools ? What if it’s a combination of both ? Thanks! 😄
Really good questions! I have done well in some slower areas that are still moving. I typically will go with lighter flies is slow water and try to let the little bit of current pull them along. Heavy flies in slow water will basically need to be dragged along and then you'll kind of be stuck to fishing just off the tip of the rod and not be able to reach far. So I'll go lighter and try to let the current carry the flies. Depending on the water I may give the flies a little more slack and not keep such a tight line so I don't pull them too much toward me. If it is deep water you will want a longer tippet section and heavy flies. You will often lose touch more in deeper water so use your sighter to help you. You may opt to use 3 flies in deep pools to get the flies down faster. I've done that a few times. I'll use the heaviest flies I have and maybe even 3 of them.
What is the best distance between those two nymphs ?
Good question. I am typically 18"-24" between nymphs.
Sexy stonefly is nothing more then a Pat's rubber legs they been around for years and are deff a good choice as a point fly😉
Yeah pretty much... but it doesn't use rubber legs. It uses sexi floss for the legs which might create a little more leg movement than rubber and they won't go bad with age like rubber can.
Sweet video man, any salmon river videos coming this year? Been looking for a new one from you haha
I usually go at the end of Sept or very early Oct... but I decided to skip it this year to finish up some of the projects I have going on. I am hoping to make it up for steelhead instead. We'll see.
7:25 I think it gets tangled🤔🤔
Not anywhere near as much as you think it would. I actually stayed away from doing dropper tags like this for a long time! But it is all I'll do now. A proper casting motion will help alleviate tangles.
Never see a link.
@@BillFreuler What link were you looking for? I can probably help you find what you’re looking for.
Question: When I tie a two fly rig, my tippet goes from the tippet ring all the way to the point fly. I then tie a short section of tippet one X smaller to the tippet about 18” above point with triple surgeon knot and trim the tag pointing up close and use other tag for the upper fly. I think this gives me a better connection to the point fly. And since I change the upper fly more frequently, it makes it easier to add a new dropper tag by simply trimming the tag close and adding a dropper with a clinch knot above the surgeon knot
Sorry sent before done. Why is your way better?
Great series! Even though I am not a beginner I always learn from this type of video. Looking forward to the rest of vids.
@Joseph Lehosky I expect one is not better than the other. I think you're achieving the exact same thing as me and I've seen people do it both ways. We both end up with the same length lines fixed at the same points. When my dropper gets too short I'll clip it back and add a new dropper tag like you but I use a Uni Knot above the previous tag knot instead of a clinch knot.
Does anyone really believe heavily weighted flies, esp. those with tungsten beads, "act" naturally? The better set up would be to place the weight at the bottom of the leader and unweighted flies on droppers above at the appropriate depth to be fished.
Yeah... you are talking about the drop shot method. I think that would be really effective!