the toxic relationship between tennis and pickleball
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The toxicity stems mainly from a territorial dispute. There would be absolutely no issues if both sports had their own dedicated spaces without encroaching on the other.
Yup
Exactly
yeah theyre called tennsi courts for a reason, pickleballers stay out!
Thank You!! i live in a community where tennis courts were eliminated to add pickleball, now there is nothing but animosity. In a neighboring community, the pasr district built new PB courts = no conflicts and no problems. DONT DESTROY ONE SPORT AT THE EXPENSE OF ANTOHER!! Its that easy!
*NOT TERRITORIAL...A PARASITIC ONE....PB PLAYERS ARE USING THE TENNIS COURT FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO...ITS A COUNTRY OF NO LAWS RIGHT NOW....PB SHOULD BUILD THEIR OWN COURTS...*
Tennis is an Olympic sport. Pickle ball is a game- like shuffle board with about as much exercise as played by most participants.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
@@mfraser29
He’s right. I’m a decently high level tennis player and have also played pickle ball with a buddy who became nationally ranked within a year and a half of training. It’s a joke of a game with no variety in strategy and shouldn’t be considered “professional” by any means.
Gatekeeping
If tennis and ping pong had a child, it would be pickleball.
Interestingly, most of the rules comes from neither of those, but rather from badminton, even the court comes from badminton
The bastard child that neither wants
no
It would be touchtennis I feel
Pickleball is to Tennis as Checkers is to Chess. One is a child’s game the other is a game of intellect and skill. Like any child’s game one is easy to learn and play, the other takes time, practice, and hard work to develop your skills. One is fun to play occasionally, the other is a game of beauty and skill, and is far more rewarding.
Honestly, I wish touchtennis was more popular than pickleball in North America. It's a much better sport.
Pickleball is Tennis putt-putt. Just because something is popular doesn't mean that it's good. Just ask McDonald's. It's modern day shuffleboard.
I will never play pickleball tennis forever.
I've played tennis for many years, and started playing pickleball last year. Let's be perfectly honest... tennis is a real sport, one that requires a variety of challenging skill sets (and hard work to develop those skills). Pickleball is a fun children's game, which is a fact... a game that was developed decades ago by people who wanted to keep their children entertained and occupied. For older people w/ limited physical movement and mobility, it's perfectly understandable that they would gravitate towards pickleball (which is fun, social and provides a decent physical workout). However, if you're younger with full mobility, you should pick-up a damn tennis racquet!!! Younger generational cohorts (Millennials and Gen Zers) prefer pickleball because its barrier to entry is low, and it's an easy game - one that does not require much work or skill (it suits their underachieving mindset and lazy work ethic perfectly).
Instant Gratification
Perfect comment lol
I can say in my area, Kansas City, MO pickleball is growing rapidly. In fact, Chicken and Pickle, a sort of dine and play facility even was able to have Jack Sock come down for an event recently (He went to high school in Kansas). It's cool to see them bring in a popular tennis player, though sad that there's nothing remotely on the scale of this restaurant that supports tennis in my area. I really don't mind the sport and have played a couple of times and have enjoyed it. My only complaint is that in some areas they are actually tearing down tennis courts and making brand new pickleball courts in their place. Though I do understand this as it seems there are quite a few more pickleball players in my area, so demand is high, but it hurts a bit to see my favorite sport slowly disappear. Hopefully they can find a sort of equilibrium and coexist.
I'll see you soon fellow KC native. ;)
I think Pickleball is like a drug. Instant gratification instead of delayed gratification like tennis. That is why I don’t like it (also them taking tennis courts). You can grab a pickleball racquet and a whiffle ball and easily learn it. It take so little skill compared to tennis. Tennis can take years to get good, and it takes work and dedication to get the skills needed to play competitively in tennis. Because pickleball is so easy to master, and most people picking it up do not play tennis, they don’t understand the hard work that we have put into it and can sometimes become quite snobby. Im not ignoring that tennis has snobs too, but if more pickleball players knew how hard it is to play tennis and how much us tennis players work, I think we would all get along better.
You’re speaking for a myopic point of view. Pickleball, like any of those racket sports is not easy to master by any stretch of the imagination. It may be more forgiving and easier to hit certain shots, but the inverse of that, is because everyone plays at the net you have smaller margins to work with than in tennis.
As a regular tennis player, I can say tennis experienced a huge spike in participation during the pandemic. It is a Covid-friendly sport: distanced, outdoors, cardio exercise. Pickelball threatens my club's tennis facility. There are members who want to play it and we don't have a pickelball area -- so they start looking at the 10 courts we have. To them I say, I hate pickelball. I have no interest in playing it. It's a game that sounds like it should be played at picnics and day camps. It's ping pong/wiffle ball and deck tennis rolled up into one stupid game that should be played at a beach park by the paddleball courts. Leave tennis players alone with your idiotic game.
Dude it's the only thing that sound idiotic is you let people enjoy it
@JR88 look I love tennis never even played pickleball but you guys just sound like idiots
Your name suits you. I’m a tennis player and also love pickleball. It is FUN and whether you like it or not it seems it will only get bigger.
Haha yeah im a padel player and its trally funny watch pickleball and tennis players fight for the courts xD
@@bulbasaur1232I don’t care. Not one bit. Don’t take our courts. And don’t say your sport is “skill worthy” or hard
It seems to be a US phenomenon. In Europe, tennis courts haven't been turned into pickleball ones. Actually, I've never even seen a single pickleball court around here.
I have no problem with people liking pickleball. I take great exception to putting pickleball lines on a tennis court or having to compete for play time with pickleball players on converted tennis courts. Why not put ping pong tables on courts under the same logic!
The toxicity really just comes down to turf. I'd care less about Pickleball but unfortunately they decided to build a sport that uses tennis courts. Several times during the start of the pandemic, couldn't get tennis courts due to a large flock of pickelballers camping out on the local courts.
I wish they had figured a way to make it a driveway sport to prevent the turf war..
Ironically, if tennis numbers start to dwindle again, we might need pickle ball to keep the courts around--indoor and outdoor.
Yes, I think it is less athletically demanding than tennis at the low and intermediate levels but like any sport, higher levels will still have intensity. I imagine it is fun to play, but I've tried to watch some professional matches and I just don't get it.
Have you seen badminton players play on tennis courts? Cause I have! And soccer too…it’s like get off!
My dad played tennis for over 30 years. He switched to pickleball due to some pain in his knee. To his surprise he found it to be more enjoyable than tennis and still provides a great exercise despite the lesser court coverage.
I really like the idea of going some early morning and putting up several make shift ping pong tables smack dab in the middle of a converted pickleball court and see the reaction to this intrusion. Pickleball, like a variety of racket skill sports can be fun, competitive and inspiring when good players play. HOWEVER, pickleball does not belong when it puts in lines and competes with players wanting to use tennis courts.
Badminton player here. This wouldn't be a thing if pickleball players sticked to drawing the lines on and not replacing entire tennis courts.
The town where I live did a nice balance in keeping enough tennis courts available for only tennis and making enough pickleball courts to meet demand. Outdoor volleyball courts are a prime target to convert to pickleball. And our local rec center made 8 dedicated pickleball courts with built-in nets. It's gets a LOT of players. And they did not touch the main park which has dedicated tennis courts, they kept that strictly for tennis.
I play tennis, pickleball, and badminton. I enjoy all equally (different challenges) but the bottom line is that out of the 3 it is MUCH easier to get decent / good in pickleball than tennis or badminton. For one your body doesn't get nearly as beat up (unless you do singles in pickleball in which it starts getting a little closer to badminton). For all the badminton I used to train in, by back is paying for it after all the jump smashing and lunging :(
That’s is correct
I am a tennis player and try to be objective, but it's difficult. The pickle ball players take over the tennis courts, mark up the tennis courts and the noise their rackets/balls make is annoying.
Waiting for my knees to tell when to switch. I have nothing against the sport except they are taking the tennis court and the lines are confusing AF.
The number one rule of pickleball: It is impossible to walk behind the curtain at a tennis club.
"Fredo, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance so I won't be there..."
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Uploads on point this week 💪🏽
Mom can we have tennis. We have tennis at home. Pickleball
Pickleball is good for older folks. My friend, who is about 20+ years my senior, beat top 10 tennis players in the world when in his prime. He cannot move well in his late 70s and plays pickleball. I'm cool with pickleball, just not all the tennis courts going away. Also, I don't like extra lines on the courts. Also, a lot of people do like pickleball. I played it once and am used to moving and running to the degree that I ran into the fence a couple of times and also killed my elbow, hitting the fence on my BH follow through. LOL
On that pickleball journey! Love it 🔥💪
Pickelball is not very popular yet here, but padel is, and the same phenomenon occurs.. Tennis courts are being brought down in order build new padel courts, so I know that feeling. I played both, but i would never change tennis.
love your channel. Kudos from Chile.
For where I live, tennis is not more expensive than anything else. Hockey, skiing, baseball, soccer. Anything for a full season pass is more than tennis.
If pickleball could adopt the QuickStart balls I would be supportive. I can’t stand those super loud plastic balls 😂
That's awesome man, I'm excited for you! I definitely had some animosity towards the pickleball players, but my buddies and I decided to join them when all the courts were full. Long story short, we enjoyed it and it kinda made my ego about playing bigger because the decent players would ask "How long have you been playing?, and I would tell them "Only a month." LOL I always find it fun to play pickleball after a nice tennis hitting session, but its definitely harder to do vice versa
The only thing I hate about pickleball are the clicks. which is when people will not let you play with them because you are not part of their click. They remind me of how Tennis and Golf use to be once upon a time.
I would say the only big negative feeling i have against pickleballers is they always bring cranks and crank the tennis nets down but dont put them back up. I had to end up purchasing a crank just to put them back. If you use something put it back the way you found it.
After you bought your cranks, to change them for tennis when you find the nets set for pickleball, have you even put them back "the way you found them" after playing tennis? Somehow I highly doubt this. In computer science, the norm is to leave things as you last used them, so that you don't end up unnecessarily changing things twice between two instances of the same use.
What you _really_ want is for tennis to be the incumbent permanent default, so that tennis players can spend all their money on fresh balls, rather than owning their own cranks (a one-time purchase which barely dents your fresh ball money fund, I'm sure).
Where you dropped the stitch was the phrase "crank the tennis nets down". After they paint a second set of lines, and put a set of cranks on the net posts, they aren't "tennis nets" any longer; they are now mixed-use tennis _and_ pickleball nets, and the computer science algorithm is probably the best one.
We have a mixed-use court here near where I live with an official sign indicating that tennis players have priority, such that I would call this a tennis net with benefits. But it's not adjustable. You can use the PB lines, but you're stuck with the high net. If it was adjustable, this one I would crank back up, because it is still a tennis net, first of all, based on prominent signage, and not just incumbent narcissism.
I play mostly tennis and some pickleball here and there and don't get me wrong pickleball is a really fun sport and I definitely see why it's super appealing to a lot of people. Definitely happy to see such a rapid growth from the sport but a part of me is pretty sad seeing my local outdoor tennis courts being torn down in order to be converted to dedicated pickleball courts.
all paddle sports are easier to get started with than tennis. so getting started to the point of having some fun is easier.
...COACHING ! both good and bad, same price...
good luck in the tourney @mark! at least dont need to worry about that string snapping in middle of a match!
Shits on pickleball:
"I'm now training for nationals"
I'm a tennis coach but started playing pickleball last summer and absolutely love it; looking forward to following your pickleball journey as well your experiences as a 5.0 tennis player next season!
Maybe tennis players should try taking over dedicated peckerball courts and playing it with tennis rackets. I think it would be a blast smashing those plastic wiffleballs at the opponent just like we do in tennis. When peckerball players start trying to pick up overheads being pummeled at them at 120mph and are successful, tennis players will still say stay the hell off our courts. Try it next time you see some tickleballs players trying to use a tennis court to play their little ping pong match. Step up and crush their little toy plastic ball with your RF97 and watch em run off to try and find an actual peckerball court.
You tell us in one sentence that pickleball isn't just for the old/unfit, suggesting there is some high level sport there. Then you basically say by being young and fit with a racket sport background you think you already have enough to dominate. So which is it?
You’ll get smoked by pickleball players if you haven’t played much.
Pickleball will be just like bocce ball. Cornhole and horse shoes. All were incredibly popular and cities build courts and parks around them. But go by any park and virtually no one is playing them. Every beach and bar had multiple cornhole boards, but no so much anymore. Yes cornhole is still here but not like it was.
The problem is pickleball isn't the fastest growing sport in America. People who are polled or asked if they play pickleball doesn't paint an honest picture. The vast majority will have played it, but don't regularly play it enough to be considered "players". My wife has played tennis 3 times and golf once in her life, but if asked if she played both she could answer yes and be counted as part of both sports even though she isn't.
Soccer and Lacrosse are the fastest growing sports in America and this is backed be the HSAA and NCAA.
Pickleball played by those 8 or more times per year are over 65 years old . The average age of those that play pickleball is 38.
Then there's all the insane leagues and federations arguing over... everything. It will implode on itself.
Interesting twist Mark
I’m old enough to remember when racquetball and tennis were big in my area. Clubs with full bars & a social scene & towns with more courts than just at the high school. It all shrunk as the non-core players & others quit. Now pickleball is having a moment. Cities & towns are building courts & developers/entrepreneurs are opening indoor pickleball clubs with bars & restaurants.
How long will this last?
Prime example is Chicken n pickle!
No update on how you did?
This is b******* I hate f****** pickleball ever since they took over my favorite tennis courts
Hahaha. I didn’t realize it was April 1st already. 🙃
Lmfao goat comment
I play both tennis and pickleball and love both and more options for me! 😊
All the best, for facing The 3
Adin, when are you going back to Philippines and play tennis there?
Pickleball folks scream and yell when I use a court for 1.5 hours for tennis saying I'm hogging the court. No, that's how long tennis takes. Sorry if me playing the appropriate amount of time on the appropriate court for my sport intrudes on your idea of how long a game takes.
Pickleball players know no tennis decorum. They walk right onto courts in the middle of tennis points or at the club, walk inside of the court across 5 courts instead of walking behind the curtain.
If these things could be resolved through some kind of PSA, I wouldn't mind pickleball players as much. I will still hate hearing the whiffle ball sounds all the time when I'm playing on the court next to them but I can manage that.
Best option is for pickleballers and tennis players is to have more temp pickleball courts on a basketball court. They can fit 3 whole pickleball courts on one basketball court, there and no reason to waste an entire tennis court for their small game. It's almost like playing ping pong on an entire tennis court, really no reason to waste so much room. Just because the sport has similar shaped balls doesn't mean that tennis courts have much to do with it - well, any more than badminton (racquets) or ping pong (plastic balls) does.
I don't care that people want to play wiffle tennis with a pizza peel, my problem is that it is stepping on tennis' shoes. Tennis has been around for well over a century. Just because a bunch of crappy tennis players want to convert some picnic game into a national sport, doesn't mean tennis players and courts have to suffer. Smaller, cheaper to maintain, blah blah. Sports aren't about real estate. A tennis court is not that large. They fit most anywhere. And a pickleball court will fit in even more places. Like a driveway, backyard, state park, community activity center, etc. But people who make decisions see a court and a net and take the cheap way out to build pickle courts and end up cannibalizing tennis. I hate it. My tennis club has 10 tennis courts. During winter it's almost impossible to get a court. Now the club has taken 2 courts a way so they can build 8 pickle courts. Do you know how fucking annoying it will be having to listen to the clickity clack of a plastic wiffle ball being tapped around when you're trying to play tennis??? Have you stupid pickleball sport, but leave tennis courts alone. Go rob a basketball court or something, or rather go find a flat piece of land and build your own.
Your correct but pickle ball wants it to be about real estate and narrative they like. Switch the narrative on them are the tennis courts successful , are they paying the bills , are they being used like a tennis court was intended.
That intro🤩
Can the big 3 train for tennis and beat Rafa or Djokovic?
It’s awesome to see you motivated. I’m so ready for Pickleball Sansait.
I play tennis, my older brother plays pickle ball (travels to tournament level involvement).
I enjoyed playing both, the sounds of pickle ball are annoying to me (when it’s be played on courts next to the tennis courts) but sound doesn’t bother me if I’m playing pickle ball
what's the money? if there are tons of competitors perhaps the money is still growing.
Hey Mark, interesting video, it'll be cool to see how you do. I'm in the camp where I don't like pickleball, the sound is annoying and I ended up moving clubs away from it.
The sound is the second worst thing in pickleball, should I make a video on the worst thing about pickleball?
@@MarkSansait haha, I'll check it out for sure.
So you sold out tennis for pickleball!
I think the biggest thing that can cause some animosity is that due to the lower barrier to entry, a number of casual and core pickleball players of all ages are having some of their first tastes of competition and have not had the opportunities to experience some of that environment's culture. Competitive Pickleball players at least in this area are generally more prone to poor attitudes and rule bending (or legitimate ignorance potentially due to the changes that occur almost annually) than their tennis counterparts, but coming to the realization that they haven't built up that same mentality that most competitive tennis players have yet helped me ease off a bit.
Out of curiosity, do you have a preference of Singles or Doubles for Pickleball? It's tough getting Singles to catch on around here to the point they adjusted our format to Skinny Singles (which I greatly despise haha)
Pickleball is such a huge problem for tennis players and basketball players as well.
They are converting our courts to pickleball courts and it leaves tennis players and basketball players completely empty handed.
The cities are doing a disservice for everyone that doesn’t play Pickleball on hard surfaces.
They need to create Pickelball courts for only Pickelball and stop converting our tennis courts and basketball courts.
pickleball, really??? hope this plague does not reach Europe
It is already here and singles pickleball is fun
@@MarcelloN sure it is fun to fantasize playing tennis when you actually cannot. I d say it is ok if this fantasy didn't and up destroying tennis courts.
@@user-pm6dm2qg6h yes but i play also tennis and I like both.
100% true that pickleball should not replace tennis courts but i hope new hard courts to play tennis/pickleball in my country (too much clay).
In particular pickleball allow to compete with much more skilled tennis player which is fun.
pickleball is low skill mini tennis with a wiffle ball for those who cant play tennis or want to scream while hitting a ball
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Pickle Deez 🥜
Pickeball is lame but I have seen a new sport called touchtennis that looks interesting.
The treachery! Sell out! Unsubscribe!...... Seriously, tennis is awesome but I love all sports! Haven't tried pickle ball but would for sure give it a go. Got a feeling I would pick it up quickly given how much I have played tennis. Looking forward to seeing how you get on in the tournaments! I haven't seen any hate for it in the UK yet but that may change if they take the limited indoor courts away for it!
Traitor.
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I hate this noise! I’m triggered!!!!!!!
Watched your pickle ball video and not very tempting sport despite the growth, looks like an awful combo of tennis and ping pong combined on a tiny court with grand pas on it 🤣🏓
To me, P’Ball is much more crude than tennis. It’s also a cheat. It’s crude because it uses a paddle, like ping-pong, instead of strings. And it’s a cheat because the court is so much smaller, and there is no propulsion of the ball like strings and compressible ball offer. From a (physic)al standpoint, Pickleball is much more boring due to the compaction of area and ease of technique. What technique? Now that I’m not so young anymore, I’d say P’Ball is an old-person’s sport. I first played it about 10 years ago, at a senior center when visiting my Dad. Go figure. Yes, I was good, because I’ve played so much tennis. Tennis is a much harder sport. But my body also objects more and more to today’s tennis game. It’s a lot of work to stay loose and healthy in tennis in 50’s. I hope Mark does not defect to P’Ball. Yeah, the Pickleball/Tennis noises are different and distracting, but we have to adjust.
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I stopped watching when you said you were training in pickleball! ..and unsubscribe!
Pickleball simply makes more sense:
- lower barrier of entry when compared to tennis
- one tennis court is the equivalent of about four pickleball courts in terms of space
- smaller court provides a more social aspect
- the sport can accommodate a greater age range than tennis
- all while providing great exercise and fun, in addition to great competition at the highest skill levels
no way u just said highest skill level
Lmao your arrogance is hilarious. With all due respect, you would be lucky to score even 1 point against Zane, Tyson, or Ben (based off of your level in that vid of you playing dubs). What you just said is the equivalent of an amateur racquetball player saying you will now start to train to beat Fed, Nadal, and Djokovic. Maybe slightly less extreme, but you catch my drift. Good luck, but you have a looong way to go
Pickleball blows dude give it up
Pickleball is SOOOO E-A-S-Y! And if you come from Tennis, get ready to advance really, Really Fast. The Second you start split-stepping and turning sideways, They're DEAD! 😂😂 That "sport" Is Awesome, though.....FOR THE SENIORS! Theses younger idiots that come out and pick it up fairly quickly soon start thinking they're some sort of Bad Asses for being able to beat up on Seniors that have been playing it for awhile. But they're only Half right: they're ASSES. If you're SoOo GOOD, why don't you try Tennis?? Oh, wait -- Because it's HARD and Those Seniors that have played Tennis for awhile would Chew You UP. Leave it for the seniors or Play Nice! I will admit that the times I've played, it Can be fun, but Only if you take it for what it is: an EASY "activity" where jawing-it-up with one another Should be Welcomed.
Btw, I think that somewhere a tennis court and a ping pong table had a secret romantic rendezvous , had a Baby, and called it Pickleball. ugh ☹☹
Oh my God, I hate pickle ball, but this was horrendously written