"Pull to open. Doesn't work on everything, you know." Got me to re-watch the Tardis's argument with the 11th Doctor about pushing to open for 700 years.
@@horaciosi Well, there is Chris Thomson who is willing to do it, but only if Frazer Hines is his Jamie and when Big Finish has Frazer in the booth for Jamie they often use him as the Second Doctor too, so I think you get the point of what I'm trying to say.
I would like to say that there is an actual fan recreator that is almost perfect. They worked with Chris Walker-Thomson on a few projects. He himself portraying the second doctor better than anyone. I do hope one day that talent is noticed
Davis Bradley is great, but I find he's more...sluggish than Hartnell. Hartnell was snappy, strict with his words. Bradley draws his words out, kinds slurs into them. He's much more gentle in his way of speaking that Hartnell was
I do hear the difference, IMO that’s just natural difference in voice tone, Hartnell’s was often harder. But as BlueMoon alludes, the 1st Doctor’s arc was to soften a lot over time.
I don’t like that river has met every doctor, (because it’s hurts her story as a whole) but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t love these interactions regardless. It’s like fanfiction. I can appreciate them for being cute, even if they aren’t canon to me.
@@mayotango1317 She had pictures of him. That does not confirm she met them. More importantly, her first episode is completely undercut if she’s met younger doctors then 10. All her emotions make no sense, and the tragedy loses impact. Even if it was directly stated in the show she met every doctor (which again, it isn’t). I still would fundamentally disagree with that story decision.
It’s a bit contrived, but no more so than Clara Oswald saving every incarnation of the Doctor ever as a guardian angel in his timestream. This kind of lore-wank isn’t essential, but is still fun when done with love.
@@goeldicotton I agree that it clashes with her emotions as portrayed in her first appearance, especially considering some of the audios seem to be set in between Husbands Of River Song and the Library episodes from her perspective, which also somewhat reduces the impact of that being their "last night" together. Though personally I don't mind it enough to complain, and enjoy the stories for what they are, despite that issue. I stopped caring about what is or isn't "canon" fot this show a long time ago though. They have had her meet Ten in some of the audios (Post-Library from his perspective) which at least justifies her initially expecting him to recognise her in the Library.
@@emeraldkoala2 Firstly, yeah, I’m actually super ok with ten and River stories. It’s implied she’s met ten before multiple times (post library obviously) in the show. But second, and really more importantly, I’m not upset about devaluing darillium (Though that also sucks). I’m more upset because, really, the tragedy of River’s story isn’t her death. That’s the sad part for the Doctor. Her tragic moment was her husband seeing her as a stranger. She said it herself, death doesn’t frighten her, that there’s a worse day coming, and we saw that. We saw the heartbreak in her eyes when her husband had no clue who she was. Meanwhile in big finish it’s like, “oops, you don’t know me yet. better go get my memory wiping lipstick teehee~” (I’m exaggerating of course, but still) it just feels…idk disrespectful I guess??? Maybe that’s not the right word, but I feel like big finish just dodges the point of her story for the sake of fan-service, y’know?
How come he doesn't remember her in silence in the library if she met him all those times in his past. And how come she says "You're younger than I've ever seen you." The doctor has a terrible memory I guess lol
I hate how they have river song meet versions of the doctor before the library! The whole point of river and the doctor meeting in the library is that is the earliest point in the doctor's timeline that river has meet the doctor! If she meets him earlier, then how come he doesn't know who she is in the library!?
@@keelanbarron928, I think it was meant to originally, but fortunately it’s vague enough to apply to just 10 in retrospect. I’m all for River meeting early Doctors,it gives me more content for River (I just love her character!)
Of course if we we're to go with Chibnall none of these stories would be described as the 1st, 4th, 7th Doctor etc... It makes you realise what a utterly contemptible and horrendous horror Chibnall committed to this institution we all love. It is not just a television show and he went about destroying it piece by piece. Unless he somehow manages to undo and resolve his new canon then I will never be watching Dr. Who again. Thank goodness we have Big Finish - the true writers and producers of proper Who.
They just announced a new boxset, The Timeless Doctor starring Jo Martin, in the first of literally infinite planned releases with a new, non-binary, non-era-specific, lead actor each time. Nick Briggs is quoted as saying, "The Timeless Child is the retcon that keeps on giving. We fully endorse The Chibnall Masterplan and we are re-editing all pre-existing audios to feature the Jodie era theme tune. Even I get to be the star of my own boxset as the *th fully canon Pre-Hartnell Doctor, at last, thanks Chris we love you! So suck on that, anti vaxxers, flat Earthers, and gatekeepers of canon everywhere! Death to the Daleks!" However will the tv show AND Big Finish cope without you, now?
@@hgwells1899 I liked series 12 and a little bit of 11 I feel like the timeless child dose answer some questions like who is doctor but it also has a lot of unanswered questions like how did river get regeneration ability, couldn’t the 11th doctor regenerate on trenzlore with out the time lords? I think they should retcon it but it is just my opinion. I do hope Chinball answers these unanswered questions and I think the concept is great but I think it should have been a different character. I think what really made me mad was the destruction of Galifery I think it is a spit in the face to moffat and Davies I hope it will be fix. It is just my opinion let’s just be happy that the show is still on.
Hey guess what he never was Because all the way back in power of the daleks They wanted to suggest the idea of pre first doctors So essentially i'm calling you a fake fan
That was really good! Bradley has IMO gotten much better at feeling Hartnell's speech mannerisms.
Still very shitty, flat and insultingly misleading. Just as his writing.
He's not Hartnell, but Bradley is the best replacement we can get.
indeed!
@@docprod I think the original TARDIS team has been well re-cast and could easily show up on TV and we'll be convinced it's the team from the 60's.
timrob12 the voices of the companions aren’t really accurate though
@@docprod They're getting better. Just like Bradley. And they work if you want to have the 60's team on TV in 2020 or later.
He is a great actor! Everything I've seen him in he always seems like a totally different person.
"Pull to open. Doesn't work on everything, you know." Got me to re-watch the Tardis's argument with the 11th Doctor about pushing to open for 700 years.
The sign actually means the phone compartment.
"Oh, you're going to pay for that, sunshine. In another ten lives or so!" No wonder Matt Smith's Doctor had a devil of a time with River Song!
"Oh you are going to pay for that sunshine. In another ten lives or so...."
Oh dear the Doctor was in his “ew cooties” phase
They're so funny when they're that age arent they?
He has a granddaughter tho so like
@@creed8712 it might have been an unhappy relationship.
I've always assumed that Susan was just sort of found by The Doctor. Like a sort of spontaneous adoption.
@@TheSmart-CasualGamer If you want to get _crazy_ then the Master did say she had a daughter...
Big Finish really need to get themselves together and cast a Second Doctor
Well they usually seem to get Frazer Hines, Jamie's actor, to do double duty. His impression's pretty good, honestly.
They have Frazer Hines he's great at it
@@woodledoodledoodle He gets Troughton's mannerisms perfectly, but the voice not so much.
@@horaciosi Well, there is Chris Thomson who is willing to do it, but only if Frazer Hines is his Jamie and when Big Finish has Frazer in the booth for Jamie they often use him as the Second Doctor too, so I think you get the point of what I'm trying to say.
Done. It's his son
Oh yeah, River is older than the first Doctor 😂
Not anymore
He lived around 400 years before his regeneration
@@plantainsame2049he’s about 250 at this point, River is around 300
Davis Bradley is the perfect actor to play the 1st Doctor.
If only Bradley makes his voice just a bit higher. His voice is way too low.
Have you heard Hartnells voice he went higher pitch whenever he did his mannerisms
In Bradley's defense, Richard Hurndall didn't sound anything like Hartnell either.
@@timrob12 imo Bradley does an amazing job
@@gregkava1276 Agreed. He's the best Hartnell replacement we have.
I would like to say that there is an actual fan recreator that is almost perfect. They worked with Chris Walker-Thomson on a few projects. He himself portraying the second doctor better than anyone. I do hope one day that talent is noticed
rather awkward exchange
Bradley does a good 1st Doctor
😂 sunshine i mean if she thought ten was young and hard to work with is 1 a toddler with a temper tantrum to her?
Davis Bradley is great, but I find he's more...sluggish than Hartnell. Hartnell was snappy, strict with his words. Bradley draws his words out, kinds slurs into them. He's much more gentle in his way of speaking that Hartnell was
I'll just see bradley as the first doctor further along, when he started to slow down as his regeneration grew nearer
I do hear the difference, IMO that’s just natural difference in voice tone, Hartnell’s was often harder. But as BlueMoon alludes, the 1st Doctor’s arc was to soften a lot over time.
If I had to say then this takes place I would say shortly after doctor who 1st doctor adventures volume 5
I don’t like that river has met every doctor, (because it’s hurts her story as a whole) but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t love these interactions regardless.
It’s like fanfiction. I can appreciate them for being cute, even if they aren’t canon to me.
Is canon, in her last episode confirm that.
@@mayotango1317 She had pictures of him.
That does not confirm she met them.
More importantly, her first episode is completely undercut if she’s met younger doctors then 10. All her emotions make no sense, and the tragedy loses impact.
Even if it was directly stated in the show she met every doctor (which again, it isn’t). I still would fundamentally disagree with that story decision.
It’s a bit contrived, but no more so than Clara Oswald saving every incarnation of the Doctor ever as a guardian angel in his timestream. This kind of lore-wank isn’t essential, but is still fun when done with love.
@@goeldicotton I agree that it clashes with her emotions as portrayed in her first appearance, especially considering some of the audios seem to be set in between Husbands Of River Song and the Library episodes from her perspective, which also somewhat reduces the impact of that being their "last night" together.
Though personally I don't mind it enough to complain, and enjoy the stories for what they are, despite that issue.
I stopped caring about what is or isn't "canon" fot this show a long time ago though.
They have had her meet Ten in some of the audios (Post-Library from his perspective) which at least justifies her initially expecting him to recognise her in the Library.
@@emeraldkoala2 Firstly, yeah, I’m actually super ok with ten and River stories. It’s implied she’s met ten before multiple times (post library obviously) in the show.
But second, and really more importantly, I’m not upset about devaluing darillium (Though that also sucks).
I’m more upset because, really, the tragedy of River’s story isn’t her death.
That’s the sad part for the Doctor.
Her tragic moment was her husband seeing her as a stranger. She said it herself, death doesn’t frighten her, that there’s a worse day coming, and we saw that. We saw the heartbreak in her eyes when her husband had no clue who she was.
Meanwhile in big finish it’s like, “oops, you don’t know me yet. better go get my memory wiping lipstick teehee~” (I’m exaggerating of course, but still) it just feels…idk disrespectful I guess??? Maybe that’s not the right word, but I feel like big finish just dodges the point of her story for the sake of fan-service, y’know?
How come he doesn't remember her in silence in the library if she met him all those times in his past. And how come she says "You're younger than I've ever seen you."
The doctor has a terrible memory I guess lol
Watch husbands of river song
Special memory erasing lipstick. River always uses it when she meets a past incarnation, with 10 being the exception.
@@Jarock316 oh. Makes sense now.
@@Jarock316 that's bullshit... you tried sounding smart there didn't you! Just do some basic research you plank
@@bobbybobstar1496 Says the one that only offered an insult instead of a rebuttal.
Ewww he's way too young for her
😳😳😳
Will they have her meet the second Doctor?
nope, they’ve skipped 2
@@docprod Is there a reson they wouls skip??
@@theenigmaencoder92 i have no idea, because the weird thing is, they have done a web of fear river song story.. two isn’t in it tho
How about war
are there any stories where River was Mels?
Not that I'm aware of, though I think they got Mels' actress back to voice a clone of River at one point.
Constable?!
Don't you just love disguises
I hate how they have river song meet versions of the doctor before the library! The whole point of river and the doctor meeting in the library is that is the earliest point in the doctor's timeline that river has meet the doctor! If she meets him earlier, then how come he doesn't know who she is in the library!?
She erases his memory after each encounter so he can’t remember her
@@nocturne8333 but didn't she say in the library episode that this has been the earliest that they have met?
@@keelanbarron928, I think she says “you’re younger than I’ve ever seen you” which I took to mean that it was the youngest she had seen 10
@@nocturne8333 I'm pretty sure that means that that's the earliest that they have met (at least to the doctor.)
@@keelanbarron928, I think it was meant to originally, but fortunately it’s vague enough to apply to just 10 in retrospect. I’m all for River meeting early Doctors,it gives me more content for River (I just love her character!)
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Of course if we we're to go with Chibnall none of these stories would be described as the 1st, 4th, 7th Doctor etc... It makes you realise what a utterly contemptible and horrendous horror Chibnall committed to this institution we all love. It is not just a television show and he went about destroying it piece by piece. Unless he somehow manages to undo and resolve his new canon then I will never be watching Dr. Who again. Thank goodness we have Big Finish - the true writers and producers of proper Who.
They just announced a new boxset, The Timeless Doctor starring Jo Martin, in the first of literally infinite planned releases with a new, non-binary, non-era-specific, lead actor each time. Nick Briggs is quoted as saying, "The Timeless Child is the retcon that keeps on giving. We fully endorse The Chibnall Masterplan and we are re-editing all pre-existing audios to feature the Jodie era theme tune. Even I get to be the star of my own boxset as the *th fully canon Pre-Hartnell Doctor, at last, thanks Chris we love you! So suck on that, anti vaxxers, flat Earthers, and gatekeepers of canon everywhere! Death to the Daleks!"
However will the tv show AND Big Finish cope without you, now?
@@hgwells1899 I liked series 12 and a little bit of 11 I feel like the timeless child dose answer some questions like who is doctor but it also has a lot of unanswered questions like how did river get regeneration ability, couldn’t the 11th doctor regenerate on trenzlore with out the time lords? I think they should retcon it but it is just my opinion. I do hope Chinball answers these unanswered questions and I think the concept is great but I think it should have been a different character. I think what really made me mad was the destruction of Galifery I think it is a spit in the face to moffat and Davies I hope it will be fix. It is just my opinion let’s just be happy that the show is still on.
"Unless he somehow manages to undo and resolve his new canon then I will never be watching Dr. Who again."
You keeping this promise?
Hey guess what he never was
Because all the way back in power of the daleks They wanted to suggest the idea of pre first doctors
So essentially i'm calling you a fake fan
Or you could just ignore the Timeless Child, move on, and keep enjoying the show like the rest of us who disliked it?