I'm so glad they kept their relationship platonic. It gave more depth to the characters and showed true friendship. Like all things, there are events and boundaries that you never cross. Janeway and Chakotay were a fine example of that.
I agree but I would not call this relationship platonic exactly. The feelings conveyed in their touches and their looks spoke more than many intimate relationships. Not to mention their disagreements - more passionate than lovers. It was important to note that they were both so close to each other as friends that in every way except the physical manner, they were intimate.
@@Gimonbro that is what platonic is. Emotional, engaging, even intimate- but not physical, romantic or sexual. They are not ultimately professional in their relationship and not cold to each other, but care deeply about each other. They could be brother and sister for all we know.
There’s boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed, but they didn’t cross the boundary, and it was more than just friendship, but the closeness was more likely family than friendship.
Very true but it would have never made sense if they became a couple because Janeway was married to the job. Her greatest love is Starfleet, the adventure and her crew.
Lovers are technically family too, and although it makes total sense why they didn’t get together during their...”voyage”, I think once they finally got back to earth it would have been an amazing relationship to explore and fully delve into.
I think you could make the argument that Janeway is the greatest Star Trek captain. Every other captain faced grave threats, but they were over in one episode or two. She got her ship and most of her crew through seven years of threats and challenges and mostly enemies, including evading the Borg in their own space, without any help from Star Fleet.
It's a damn cheesy TV series with sll various writers of each song what they want and trying to optimize ratings... No trek story is done as long as there's humans alive that will keep reintroducing stories. Like picard show
I don’t know if she’s the greatest, but she was damn good. I saw someone say once if you’re on a diplomatic mission you want Picard. If you’re going to war you want Sisko, for a scientific mission no one is better than Janeway. Personally, I’d want to serve under Anson Mount’s Pike. He seems to have the best qualities of all the greats.
Proof that every starship needs to be self-sufficient, to be able to function on their own. Besides, what happens to the crew when the warp drive is unrepairable? Every ship, and their crew, face the all too real possibility of getting cut off from support.
Regarding Captain Janeway impersonating other captains, and Ensign Hickman impersonating Janeway, consider this: "Imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery."
@@markfox1545 I know! When Chakotay said she sounded just like Picard and Amasov, my first, last, and only thought was, "no she didn't. She didn't sound anything at all like Picard, and unless Amasov has one hell of a Janeway impression that he does 24/7, then she didn't sound anything like him either."
What she says to him, how she says it... and, most of all, the adoring look she gives him: it always speaks volumes of her true feelings for him. That she loves him.... she really does. ❤ I'm glad they do get together in the novels eventually, but I kinda wished they had ended the series with them together despite Mulgrew's objections on the matter..... they were perfect for each other, in my opinion.
Honestly, I'm happy they didn't. It makes the whole "7 will die... in the arms of her husband, Chakotay" moment in the final episode super emotionally hitting.
@@TheTrueNateHustle I LOATHED the Seven/Chakotay romance. They had zero chemistry whatsoever and getting together was a complete ass pull. Janeway and Chakotay had MUCH better chemistry.
@@xaviervega468 Chemistry... lol. Shes a Borg. Chakotays loving, caring demeanor was supposed to show her a humanity that she could never get from the captain. Not every caring, chemistry relationship needs to be romantic.
Me if I was on Voyager: "Oh for the love of...JUST F@CK ALREADY!!!" Janeway and Chekotey together: "Get out of here!!! You're demoted!!!" Me: "See this is what I'm talking about!!!"
There team was by far the most intreaging seeing how 2 rival ships join to make one working force to get home. But our janeway always had a trick up her sleeve. And that was chycotay
Have you watched the show? Chakotay is a solid rock, supporting Janeway. He was NEVER a glorified extra. He's one of my favorite characters and I challenge your assertion that the series treated him like 'a glorified extra'.
Janeway: ""Three Years Ago, I Didn't Even Know Your Name. Today I Can't Imagine A Day Without You." Then Janeway has never seen or heard from Chakotay after Voyager returned to Earth :(
It would've ruined the show if they actually consummated a relationship. Keeping it platonic helps to keep it together. Your thoughts here.................
@@billmurray7473 there’s a solid body of evidence to support your position. Often times on tv shows it IS best to keep the tension going. The sitcom Cheers is a good example of this. The police drama Hunter is another. I’m sure there are tons of other examples we could all think of
In the final episode of Voyager, "Endgame," an alternate version of Captain Janeway, now an Admiral, visits her younger counterpart and reveals that Chakotay died at some point during their twenty three year journey returning to Earth. Admiral Janeway actually visited Chakotay's grave before time-traveling back to the past with future technology to help get her crew back to the Alpha quadrant much sooner than they did in her own timeline. You obviously haven't watched the episode, which is unfortunate. I'm hardly spoiling anything by revealing it here, as the episode aired some twenty years ago.
@@Dancestar1981 No, they got together in the last episode and it was a significant part of the plot of that episode. And I think that was the problem because besides the episode with Holodeck Chakotay and the fact that they're both good-looking, there was not much reason to think they would be a couple.
Also it's perfect ,considering they're officers serving on the same ship. Fraternizing with a fellow officer on the same vessel is seriously frowned upon, historically, today and I assume in the future.
I never liked Janeway as a character, but I always like Kate Mulgrew as Janeway. She made good choices as an actress and gave Janeway a specific cadence and style to her speech and mannerisms that felt really in line with Picard and Sisko. Different choice, but still in that vein. I got to see the actress who was originally cast, and... well, nothing against her, but it's a grew look at how different actresses take the same lines and can have very different performances. The writing for Janeway always bugged me, but I tip my hat: the actors on the show were definitely giving it their best.
I’ve been trying to understand something. The Enterprise/Federation first encountered the Borg (and seemingly vice versa), in 2365, yet the Voyager storyline changes this slightly in season 6 by saying the Hanson’s encountered them first (in 2356). That a whole 9 year difference. How could they purposely go looking for the borg if the borg weren’t known as yet?
The parents of 7 of 9 were indeed the first humans to encounter and study them, the point is that the Federation never got these informations because the parents of Annika (7of9) entered a transwarp conduct (or something like that, I don't remember the exact name) that the borg used to fast travel through the galaxy, so they ended in tha gamma quadrant and never got back because they were assimilated by the borg.
@@marcuswieland3927 cool and agreed but what was the purpose of their mission? What type of research? Cause remember it was mentioned that they got abandoned by the Science Council and that they couldn’t even go back.
they knew about the Borg from the El-Aurians like Guinan, but never actually made contact. No race had ever gotten close enough to see Borg and report it to Starfleet. Magnus and Erin Hansen proposed an exploration mission to find the Borg and were given the USS Raven to do so. They followed any clue they could get, from sensor echoes, personal logs, anomalies etc. However, they never found the Borg until they illegally snuck into the Neutral Zone, then followed a cube through a transwarp corridor. The Federation never got their data as they were running silent for 3 years and then got assimilated. As no images could be sent no one on the Enterprise D would know what a Borg Cube looked like apart from Guinan, who shared what she knew with Picard. You seem to be assuming once people hear a name, they suddenly know everything about them and information is instantly shared.
Don't forget, Enterprise shows Starfleet have their first interaction with the Borg and it all got highly classified. My guess is, upon meeting a species that had encountered the Borg, like the El Aurians, someone made the connection between the Borg and the strange cybernetic race the NX Enterprise encountered and thus the Hansens were tasked with finding them and studying them, albeit in secret. Not until Q put the Enterprise D in the path of the Borg did they become public knowledge. Even then, I'm sure the events of Enterprise remained classified
I don't read any of the Star Trek books but wonder if Starfleet rounded up Voyager's Maquis and arrested them or were they pardoned as it was time served on Voyager?.....Google says: As the Maquis had become allies of the Federation during the Dominion War, all charges against the Maquis had been dropped by the time Voyager returned home. ... Chakotay re-took command of Voyager which by now had returned to the Delta Quadrant as part of the Full Circle fleet.
the books are not canon at all, neither is STO. the Maquis were completely wiped out by the Dominion, leaving Chakotay and his cell as the last ones left. Assuming no one actually harmed Federation citizens, it's unlikely that any of them would be charged with anything. Chakotay, Paris and B'lanna might even be allowed to keep their Starfleet ranks after intensive debriefing and probation.
@@patrickschulz2193 And I agree, it just seemed that Enterprise gradually started the trend on doing away with those kind of scenes. You're right though, the show did get better when it got it's footing.
I notice this with a lot of shows lately but particularly the New Star Treks and Marvel shows, it feels a lot like tv has been 'filmified'. Where the budgets are large and every second must be used for plot, characterisation is only done if they have time. Scenes like this one and the one between Quark and Garak in Way of the Warrior are only done if to foreshadow a later plot point/twist
If one had Quantum telemetric nanites in the Brain and their signal syncronicity signal channeled through a warp portal into the future...a Starfleet team could receive these, experiencing the thoughts in syncronicity, in the past and future...allowing good directions.... These linked with the Ships A.I. and library, theoretically also allow direct access and receive information in the mind, like we use the internet today. That allowing any crew to receive service task knowledge. Example: Just think you need to know how to change a wheel... and after 4 seconds or so, you get the idea streamed into your mind!
No romance because it totally changes the dynamics. It is the same reason that Marshal Dillon and Miss Kitty never married on Gunsmoke, although she was tormented many times for being his woman
And yet it only took Boimler a couple of hours to essentially conquered the Borg. He even potentially redeemed them by teaching the Borg Queen empathy.
Watching the show up until this point, Chakotay and Janeway's relationship isn't really fleshed out at all. First time I heard her say she couldn't imagine a day without him felt like she could say the same about her captain's chair.
I could have seen Janeway and Chakotay together if they had been forced to stay. Eventually the crew would have paired off and settled a colony in the Delta Quadrant. As for the Borg, Picard and Janeway got the "watered down" version of them. In another reality, the Borg are not only much more advanced (speculation, but possibly Abramsverse Borg) but their bodies are far more natural (similar to Cylons) and can move with devastating speed and prowess. They are not simply hive minded, but all have the desire to conquer, not assimilate. There is a Borg King as opposed to the Borg Queen in Voyager. And their implants are smaller, less detectable, and look more refined. They have dedicated "Tactical Cubes" for war and the Flagship of the Borg King is said to be similar to V'Ger in design and is also said to house millions of drones.
Can we just talk about how Janeway's eyes repeatedly linger on Chakotey's lips when they are standing so close, by the window? While I understand that they never got together - she was married and he a proper gentleman officer - it would have been one of the most satisfying resolution of UST ever.
Benedict Cumberbatch carried the role very well. I'm convinced that Ricardo Montalban would been honored by the authenticity of Cumberbatch's portrayal, had Montalban not already passed away about a decade prior to the movie being released.
@Charles Kinsey and @Brian Weir. Benedict was a white man playing a character named Khan Noonien Singh. How many white men do you know with a name like that?
chakotay says that today but then when janeways decides to do something he dissagreess with he kind of abanons her. that being said i do think both sides make good points. and even in retorpest its hard to say on if janeway was right or wrong i mean it did work out for them in the end but we later find out her actions may have made a speices extient. that being said if janeway did nothing who is to say how much better or worse the situation could have been. like speices 8472 could have been more dangerous then the borg. i mean they were but like letting them enter our relem does not sound like its the best idea.
An ironic, if confusing and contradictory comment, considering that the leader of the Borg has, canonically, always been female. How can a Borg Queen be anything but?
@@houseofno Whereas Janeway retained all her qualities as a woman in addition to being a commander the Borg queen was just the head of a collective. The collective crippled her as much as she crippled them into a rigid zombie army
@@christinacody5845 The Maquis are defined as a group of former Starfleet personnel who categorically opposed Starfleet's treaty with the Cardassians and resigned their commissions to fight a guerilla war with the Cardassians. Resigning one's commission with Starfleet doesn't cause amnesia, anymore than quitting any other job strips someone of their experience.
Chakotay reached Commander or Lieutenant Commander rank while in Starfleet , then resigned his post like many others to fight for the colonists with the Maquis. Janeway literally tells him he became her XO because he had command experience and graduated Starfleet Academy, while saying B'lanna, an Academy dropout would not be suitable.
Kate has been amazing in every role she's been in, from Throw Mama From the Train, to Voyager, to Orange is the New Black, to Dragon Age. She's been able to completely avoid being typecast, and has stolen the show in every performance.
This shows a man and woman canbe great friends without sex respect was earned, respect Burnham has earned nothing no respect shes too much of a maverick....
Picard and dr crusher had a past and he thought Wesley was his I think sisko and Kira would have made a interesting couple since she’s not a star fleet officer
There's no evidence to suggest that Picard ever thought Wesley was his offspring. Throughout the series, the show made no secret of the fact that Wesley Crusher is Jack Crusher's legitimate son. In fact, in the movie Star Trek Generations, it's revealed that Picard had no children. Those two facts alone create a HOLE in your "Wesley is Picard's son" fantasy big enough to pilot a Borg cube through.
It's moments like this that made Janeway tolerable. I get it's not her fault they wrote her out as desperately trying to be like a male Captain. But Dear God does it make her a chore to watch. Thank God they gave her a bit of humanity and womanhood in little moments like this. I mean Garret was awarded command of the Enterprise C, and she was female. And not once during Yesterday's Enterprise did you get the feeling she was desperately over compensating for being female. She was just a Captain. She just happened to be the best damn Captain in the fleet at the moment, and given the best damn ship in the fleet. Maybe that's why Janeway got a Voyager and not an Enterprise? Maybe that was the point of the writing? I don't know the reasoning but it's still such a shame. I used to wonder why, in this die had push for strong whymon protagonist, why Captain Garret has been so ignored. To me she would be the ultimate Strong Female Protagonist. But seeing the...........poor quality of writing and the..............unwatchable characters modern writers come up with. I'm glad they've ignored her. They'd only ruin her quiet, yet undying legacy.
I've never understood the "J/C-shippers" who romp around mainly on the fanfiction sites. Janeway rejected Chakotay and pushed him away, so Chakotay moved on (as any self-respecting man would do as well) Janeway was way too old for Chakotay anyway . moreover Chakotay and Seven make the better couple. It just should have been scripted better.
Disagree but everyone’s entitled to their ships. I would have preferred if they gave Chakotay more to do in later seasons and kept his relationship with Janeway as a strong focus. I love them together.
she wasn't too old for him, the actors are the same age, in fact the chacotay actor is a year older than her... saying that she's old for him sounds very sexist!
“You’re not alone Kathryn” always gets me
"Imitating the Captain, surely that violates some kind of Starfleet protocol"
Commander Riker has left the chat.
"I'll be on the bridge."
Kate Mulgrew is such a talent!
I'm so glad they kept their relationship platonic. It gave more depth to the characters and showed true friendship. Like all things, there are events and boundaries that you never cross. Janeway and Chakotay were a fine example of that.
I agree but I would not call this relationship platonic exactly. The feelings conveyed in their touches and their looks spoke more than many intimate relationships. Not to mention their disagreements - more passionate than lovers. It was important to note that they were both so close to each other as friends that in every way except the physical manner, they were intimate.
@@Gimonbro They act like they're Spouses without the intimacy. The Mother and Father of Voyager.
No I wanted my ship to SAIL DAMMIT!😭😭😭
@@Gimonbro that is what platonic is. Emotional, engaging, even intimate- but not physical, romantic or sexual. They are not ultimately professional in their relationship and not cold to each other, but care deeply about each other. They could be brother and sister for all we know.
@@sharpaycutie2 You and me both. The Seven romance was such an ass pull and didn't really work.
I love Kate's voice!
I’ll always love the, strong chemistry between Captain. Janeway and First Officer. Chakotey.
Scene reminds of when Mulgrew talks about the first scene she filmed on Voyager - She did a pretty good Stewart impression.
There’s boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed, but they didn’t cross the boundary, and it was more than just friendship, but the closeness was more likely family than friendship.
Very true but it would have never made sense if they became a couple because Janeway was married to the job. Her greatest love is Starfleet, the adventure and her crew.
@@eventingirl001 true, if she got involved with one of the members of her crew, it would’ve impaired her judgement as captain.
Why do people care so much? It's like they can't stand a man and woman falling in love.
@@DiggitySlice Because it’s important to see other types of relationships besides sexual/romantic
Lovers are technically family too, and although it makes total sense why they didn’t get together during their...”voyage”, I think once they finally got back to earth it would have been an amazing relationship to explore and fully delve into.
I think you could make the argument that Janeway is the greatest Star Trek captain. Every other captain faced grave threats, but they were over in one episode or two. She got her ship and most of her crew through seven years of threats and challenges and mostly enemies, including evading the Borg in their own space, without any help from Star Fleet.
It's a damn cheesy TV series with sll various writers of each song what they want and trying to optimize ratings...
No trek story is done as long as there's humans alive that will keep reintroducing stories.
Like picard show
I don’t know if she’s the greatest, but she was damn good.
I saw someone say once if you’re on a diplomatic mission you want Picard. If you’re going to war you want Sisko, for a scientific mission no one is better than Janeway.
Personally, I’d want to serve under Anson Mount’s Pike. He seems to have the best qualities of all the greats.
Proof that every starship needs to be self-sufficient, to be able to function on their own. Besides, what happens to the crew when the warp drive is unrepairable? Every ship, and their crew, face the all too real possibility of getting cut off from support.
Definitely not the greatest by any means.
We Australians have a word for their type of relationship- we call it “mateship”.
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@@Ghost-ql3hl nobody says that sos
@@skeled0gz Actually Mate many
Australians still say that
And the correct response is
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Regarding Captain Janeway impersonating other captains, and Ensign Hickman impersonating Janeway, consider this: "Imitation really is the sincerest form of flattery."
Indeed it is..... it's also pretty damn funny on comedy night at the mess hall
They weren't anywhere near approaching impersonations though, she just read what they said.
@@markfox1545 I know! When Chakotay said she sounded just like Picard and Amasov, my first, last, and only thought was, "no she didn't. She didn't sound anything at all like Picard, and unless Amasov has one hell of a Janeway impression that he does 24/7, then she didn't sound anything like him either."
This is them saying they love each other without actually saying it! And it breaks me everytime!!
Voyager ended up being my favorite Trek series...characters that I cared about.
Mine too. The race to Earth is enough for me to watch.
Being where I am right now, I am very pleased that the northwest passage is free of Borg activity.
All clear down here in Texas as well. Anything to report from the west coast? does Alaska still stand?
What she says to him, how she says it... and, most of all, the adoring look she gives him: it always speaks volumes of her true feelings for him. That she loves him.... she really does. ❤ I'm glad they do get together in the novels eventually, but I kinda wished they had ended the series with them together despite Mulgrew's objections on the matter..... they were perfect for each other, in my opinion.
Honestly, I'm happy they didn't. It makes the whole "7 will die... in the arms of her husband, Chakotay" moment in the final episode super emotionally hitting.
glad they never did.
Oh any dumb thing can happen in the books, that's why I stopped reading them.
@@TheTrueNateHustle I LOATHED the Seven/Chakotay romance. They had zero chemistry whatsoever and getting together was a complete ass pull. Janeway and Chakotay had MUCH better chemistry.
@@xaviervega468 Chemistry... lol.
Shes a Borg. Chakotays loving, caring demeanor was supposed to show her a humanity that she could never get from the captain. Not every caring, chemistry relationship needs to be romantic.
I never noticed before how cute Kate Mulgrew's nose is.
I love how Capt. Janeway spells her first name.
Chakotay was underrated as first officer
Calm Before the Storm!
Me if I was on Voyager: "Oh for the love of...JUST F@CK ALREADY!!!"
Janeway and Chekotey together: "Get out of here!!! You're demoted!!!"
Me: "See this is what I'm talking about!!!"
They had so much chemistry, i mean come on. It's obvious that the writers had something in mind for these two characters.
No Captain is ever alone
I really hope in the second season of Picard, Janeway shows up and makes a implication that Chakotay and her got together.
Yes!
The show was clearly hinting towards that, I think in some of the novels they're together
I doubt it. Maybe we will see Chakotay as 7's ex husband show up though.
If it involves the burg she should be there, she killed the queen
I really hope in the second season of Picard, Janeway shows up and makes an implication that Seven and her got together.
There team was by far the most intreaging seeing how 2 rival ships join to make one working force to get home. But our janeway always had a trick up her sleeve. And that was chycotay
Such a great quote ,describes me and my BFF perfectly
Oh wow, one of few times they used Chakotay for something other then as a glorified extra.
Have you watched the show? Chakotay is a solid rock, supporting Janeway. He was NEVER a glorified extra. He's one of my favorite characters and I challenge your assertion that the series treated him like 'a glorified extra'.
Another amazing episode highlighted. I love your clips yo. Keep it up until we have all 7 seasons
Voyager could have used more scenes like this.
Janeway: ""Three Years Ago, I Didn't Even Know Your Name. Today I Can't Imagine A Day Without You."
Then Janeway has never seen or heard from Chakotay after Voyager returned to Earth :(
It would've ruined the show if they
actually consummated a relationship.
Keeping it platonic helps to
keep it together.
Your thoughts here.................
@@billmurray7473 there’s a solid body of evidence to support your position. Often times on tv shows it IS best to keep the tension going. The sitcom Cheers is a good example of this. The police drama Hunter is another. I’m sure there are tons of other examples we could all think of
In the final episode of Voyager, "Endgame," an alternate version of Captain Janeway, now an Admiral, visits her younger counterpart and reveals that Chakotay died at some point during their twenty three year journey returning to Earth. Admiral Janeway actually visited Chakotay's grave before time-traveling back to the past with future technology to help get her crew back to the Alpha quadrant much sooner than they did in her own timeline.
You obviously haven't watched the episode, which is unfortunate. I'm hardly spoiling anything by revealing it here, as the episode aired some twenty years ago.
@@houseofno That timeline wouldn’t unfold that way though.
I SO wish they had of gotten together rather than whatever it was this so-called thing between seven and him
That was just a holodeck fantasy
@@Dancestar1981 No, they got together in the last episode and it was a significant part of the plot of that episode. And I think that was the problem because besides the episode with Holodeck Chakotay and the fact that they're both good-looking, there was not much reason to think they would be a couple.
Sometimes some very interesting moments get interrupted by that comm...
Ohhhh that was sweet
i always love when the door knows when its time to open lol
At 00:36, the doors don't open despite how close to the doors he got.. did the doors read the script to know that they weren't supposed to open?
That happened a lot on TNG too.
They have hesitation sensors on them.
I always think this was a really healthy depiction of a platonic relationship between a man and a woman
Also it's perfect ,considering they're officers serving on the same ship. Fraternizing with a fellow officer on the same vessel is seriously frowned upon, historically, today and I assume in the future.
All Great captains always Respect their 1st officer and do understand their opinions “most captains lol”
I never liked Janeway as a character, but I always like Kate Mulgrew as Janeway. She made good choices as an actress and gave Janeway a specific cadence and style to her speech and mannerisms that felt really in line with Picard and Sisko. Different choice, but still in that vein. I got to see the actress who was originally cast, and... well, nothing against her, but it's a grew look at how different actresses take the same lines and can have very different performances. The writing for Janeway always bugged me, but I tip my hat: the actors on the show were definitely giving it their best.
And that's the last time we saw the ensign...
I’ve been trying to understand something. The Enterprise/Federation first encountered the Borg (and seemingly vice versa), in 2365, yet the Voyager storyline changes this slightly in season 6 by saying the Hanson’s encountered them first (in 2356). That a whole 9 year difference. How could they purposely go looking for the borg if the borg weren’t known as yet?
The parents of 7 of 9 were indeed the first humans to encounter and study them, the point is that the Federation never got these informations because the parents of Annika (7of9) entered a transwarp conduct (or something like that, I don't remember the exact name) that the borg used to fast travel through the galaxy, so they ended in tha gamma quadrant and never got back because they were assimilated by the borg.
@@marcuswieland3927 cool and agreed but what was the purpose of their mission? What type of research? Cause remember it was mentioned that they got abandoned by the Science Council and that they couldn’t even go back.
@@lemondubs yeah I think i understand now what you mean, so the options are 2
1) they had a rumors about a strange new species;
2) bad writing
they knew about the Borg from the El-Aurians like Guinan, but never actually made contact. No race had ever gotten close enough to see Borg and report it to Starfleet. Magnus and Erin Hansen proposed an exploration mission to find the Borg and were given the USS Raven to do so. They followed any clue they could get, from sensor echoes, personal logs, anomalies etc.
However, they never found the Borg until they illegally snuck into the Neutral Zone, then followed a cube through a transwarp corridor. The Federation never got their data as they were running silent for 3 years and then got assimilated.
As no images could be sent no one on the Enterprise D would know what a Borg Cube looked like apart from Guinan, who shared what she knew with Picard.
You seem to be assuming once people hear a name, they suddenly know everything about them and information is instantly shared.
Don't forget, Enterprise shows Starfleet have their first interaction with the Borg and it all got highly classified. My guess is, upon meeting a species that had encountered the Borg, like the El Aurians, someone made the connection between the Borg and the strange cybernetic race the NX Enterprise encountered and thus the Hansens were tasked with finding them and studying them, albeit in secret. Not until Q put the Enterprise D in the path of the Borg did they become public knowledge. Even then, I'm sure the events of Enterprise remained classified
I don't read any of the Star Trek books but wonder if Starfleet rounded up Voyager's Maquis and arrested them or were they pardoned as it was time served on Voyager?.....Google says: As the Maquis had become allies of the Federation during the Dominion War, all charges against the Maquis had been dropped by the time Voyager returned home. ... Chakotay re-took command of Voyager which by now had returned to the Delta Quadrant as part of the Full Circle fleet.
That happens in the novels.
the books are not canon at all, neither is STO.
the Maquis were completely wiped out by the Dominion, leaving Chakotay and his cell as the last ones left. Assuming no one actually harmed Federation citizens, it's unlikely that any of them would be charged with anything. Chakotay, Paris and B'lanna might even be allowed to keep their Starfleet ranks after intensive debriefing and probation.
@@SantomPh"These more official things are not true so now here is my random guesses"
I loved these non action dialogue scenes in the 60s and 90s Star Trek series. Star Trek Enterprise and Discovery just seemed to do away with them.
I'd say Enterprise still had plenty of them when it had its footing.
@@patrickschulz2193 And I agree, it just seemed that Enterprise gradually started the trend on doing away with those kind of scenes.
You're right though, the show did get better when it got it's footing.
Enterprise had plenty of these
Enterprise had plenty, from stumbling to exploring the unknown together.
STD has a lot of crying and wahmen!
I notice this with a lot of shows lately but particularly the New Star Treks and Marvel shows, it feels a lot like tv has been 'filmified'. Where the budgets are large and every second must be used for plot, characterisation is only done if they have time. Scenes like this one and the one between Quark and Garak in Way of the Warrior are only done if to foreshadow a later plot point/twist
Chakotay is a very good first officer, he won't let his captain get away, with anything she shouldn't, if he can.
or in season 7 episode 16 of star trek voyager, when Janeway tells chakotay "It may not have been real Chakotay, but it felt like home." THAT WAS DEEP
This was a great arc because their relationship was tested with how to deal with the Borg.
Awwwww 😭
Captain Janeway’s gonna beam ensign Hickman into space!
OK , I will say it , "She is hot "!
Janeway looked she wanted a quickie with ol' Chakotay in the holodeck....😏😏😏
Just kiss already!!!!!
If one had Quantum telemetric nanites in the Brain
and their signal syncronicity signal channeled through a warp portal
into the future...a Starfleet team could receive these, experiencing the thoughts
in syncronicity, in the past and future...allowing good directions....
These linked with the Ships A.I. and library, theoretically also allow
direct access and receive information in the mind, like we use the internet today.
That allowing any crew to receive service task knowledge.
Example: Just think you need to know how to change a wheel...
and after 4 seconds or so, you get the idea streamed into your mind!
you can tell the advancement in cgi/production costs when the background windows having moving star cgi
For a second there , it looked like he was going to beam her aboard
No romance because it totally changes the dynamics. It is the same reason that Marshal Dillon and Miss Kitty never married on Gunsmoke, although she was tormented many times for being his woman
And yet it only took Boimler a couple of hours to essentially conquered the Borg. He even potentially redeemed them by teaching the Borg Queen empathy.
*Cmdr. Chakotay was DEFINITELY Capt. Janeway's "Work Husband".*
Watching the show up until this point, Chakotay and Janeway's relationship isn't really fleshed out at all. First time I heard her say she couldn't imagine a day without him felt like she could say the same about her captain's chair.
It demonstrates a lack of evolution that a Starfleet captain uses the word evil to describe an enemy.
Sometimes enemies are evil. There is no amount of evolution that will change that.
Janeway supports and hide sevens enemy
I could have seen Janeway and Chakotay together if they had been forced to stay. Eventually the crew would have paired off and settled a colony in the Delta Quadrant. As for the Borg, Picard and Janeway got the "watered down" version of them. In another reality, the Borg are not only much more advanced (speculation, but possibly Abramsverse Borg) but their bodies are far more natural (similar to Cylons) and can move with devastating speed and prowess. They are not simply hive minded, but all have the desire to conquer, not assimilate. There is a Borg King as opposed to the Borg Queen in Voyager. And their implants are smaller, less detectable, and look more refined. They have dedicated "Tactical Cubes" for war and the Flagship of the Borg King is said to be similar to V'Ger in design and is also said to house millions of drones.
Wtf are you smoking?
@@christophermcmanus5103 Marlboro and you?
Can we just talk about how Janeway's eyes repeatedly linger on Chakotey's lips when they are standing so close, by the window? While I understand that they never got together - she was married and he a proper gentleman officer - it would have been one of the most satisfying resolution of UST ever.
She wasn't married, just engaged. And her fiancee had moved on by Season 4.
...And don't forget when the Enterprise went back in time to stop the Borg from preventing first contact with the Vulcans.
Wait, what?
Oh. Uh, nvm.
1:57 thanks to Barclay it does
Sensoor he said sensoor! 🤣
So does Tim Russ in the episodes
Isn’t that what Leonard Nimoy would always do too?
I can hear the Picard but I can't hear any change for the other captain quote.
Amisov and the Endeavour are the only ship to survive Wolf 359.
Ensign Hickman: I wasn't doing Janeway, I was doing...uh...Katherine Hepburn! Wait, shit...
Robert Beltran would have made a more believable Khan Noonian Singh than Benedict Cumberbunch.
Benedict held his own
@@charleskinsey2077 If by hold his own you mean be an insuffrable twat who ruined the character, then yes
Benedict Cumberbatch carried the role very well. I'm convinced that Ricardo Montalban would been honored by the authenticity of Cumberbatch's portrayal, had Montalban not already passed away about a decade prior to the movie being released.
@Charles Kinsey and @Brian Weir. Benedict was a white man playing a character named Khan Noonien Singh. How many white men do you know with a name like that?
The JaneKotay shippers never really went away, I see.
We're JC'ers or JC shippers. It was far too early for those cutesy ship names.
chakotay says that today but then when janeways decides to do something he dissagreess with he kind of abanons her. that being said i do think both sides make good points. and even in retorpest its hard to say on if janeway was right or wrong i mean it did work out for them in the end but we later find out her actions may have made a speices extient. that being said if janeway did nothing who is to say how much better or worse the situation could have been. like speices 8472 could have been more dangerous then the borg. i mean they were but like letting them enter our relem does not sound like its the best idea.
The Borg weren't any match for a human woman, NO one is. Fate shouldn't have thrown her at them. Poor collective losers.
An ironic, if confusing and contradictory comment, considering that the leader of the Borg has, canonically, always been female. How can a Borg Queen be anything but?
@@houseofno Whereas Janeway retained all her qualities as a woman in addition to being a commander the Borg queen was just the head of a collective. The collective crippled her as much as she crippled them into a rigid zombie army
When did Picard make this entry?
Ask Picard
Something puzzles me even till this day.....
Was chakotay and ACTUAL member of starfleet, or was he really a member of the maquis
From what I recall of canon, he was a Starfleet graduate with command experience before resigning his commission to join the Maquis.
@@christinacody5845 The Maquis are defined as a group of former Starfleet personnel who categorically opposed Starfleet's treaty with the Cardassians and resigned their commissions to fight a guerilla war with the Cardassians. Resigning one's commission with Starfleet doesn't cause amnesia, anymore than quitting any other job strips someone of their experience.
It was implied in TNG that Chakotay was Ensign Ro's instructor when she attended Advanced Tactical Training.
Chakotay reached Commander or Lieutenant Commander rank while in Starfleet , then resigned his post like many others to fight for the colonists with the Maquis. Janeway literally tells him he became her XO because he had command experience and graduated Starfleet Academy, while saying B'lanna, an Academy dropout would not be suitable.
Imitating the captain--are they not aware of Data's takeover of the Enterprise trying to be Picard?
Kate has been amazing in every role she's been in, from Throw Mama From the Train, to Voyager, to Orange is the New Black, to Dragon Age. She's been able to completely avoid being typecast, and has stolen the show in every performance.
This shows a man and woman canbe great friends without sex respect was earned, respect Burnham has earned nothing no respect shes too much of a maverick....
Chakotay must have been high. She didn't sound like anyone but herself.
She did get the tone right for Picard I don't know about the other captains mentioned. That being said Brent Soiner does the best Picard impressions.
Try finding a scene like this in star wars. Spoiler alert: You won't.
What ep is this
Season 3 Ep 26 Scorpion Part I
Wow, some good acting, huh? Considering irl they didn't particularly like one another.
They didn't?
Picard and dr crusher had a past and he thought Wesley was his I think sisko and Kira would have made a interesting couple since she’s not a star fleet officer
There's no evidence to suggest that Picard ever thought Wesley was his offspring. Throughout the series, the show made no secret of the fact that Wesley Crusher is Jack Crusher's legitimate son. In fact, in the movie Star Trek Generations, it's revealed that Picard had no children. Those two facts alone create a HOLE in your "Wesley is Picard's son" fantasy big enough to pilot a Borg cube through.
Great dialogue here (as compared to the virtue signaling social justice garbage of Star Trek Discovery).
Uh huh. More rightwing BS
It's moments like this that made Janeway tolerable. I get it's not her fault they wrote her out as desperately trying to be like a male Captain. But Dear God does it make her a chore to watch.
Thank God they gave her a bit of humanity and womanhood in little moments like this.
I mean Garret was awarded command of the Enterprise C, and she was female. And not once during Yesterday's Enterprise did you get the feeling she was desperately over compensating for being female. She was just a Captain. She just happened to be the best damn Captain in the fleet at the moment, and given the best damn ship in the fleet.
Maybe that's why Janeway got a Voyager and not an Enterprise? Maybe that was the point of the writing? I don't know the reasoning but it's still such a shame.
I used to wonder why, in this die had push for strong whymon protagonist, why Captain Garret has been so ignored. To me she would be the ultimate Strong Female Protagonist. But seeing the...........poor quality of writing and the..............unwatchable characters modern writers come up with. I'm glad they've ignored her. They'd only ruin her quiet, yet undying legacy.
I would've preferred an all female command team. Janeway and Seven of Nine. Perfect together
Then she wouldn't have even had a first officer in season 1.
I've never understood the "J/C-shippers" who romp around mainly on the fanfiction sites.
Janeway rejected Chakotay and pushed him away, so Chakotay moved on (as any self-respecting man would do as well)
Janeway was way too old for Chakotay anyway . moreover Chakotay and Seven make the better couple. It just should have been scripted better.
Disagree but everyone’s entitled to their ships. I would have preferred if they gave Chakotay more to do in later seasons and kept his relationship with Janeway as a strong focus. I love them together.
she wasn't too old for him, the actors are the same age, in fact the chacotay actor is a year older than her... saying that she's old for him sounds very sexist!
What episode