Blowback PCC usually are known for being late. The reason the MPX is heavy is because it’s a gas piston. 7 pounds for the direct blowback is pretty heavy when you got guys like JP coming out at 5 pounds for a competition style gun. The fact that it has a 90° safety, not a great trigger, no muzzle brake, even though they tried to justify that and no type of bearing delay system. This seems much more like a home defense or plinking rifle than a true competition PCC.
Seemed to me like a "lets take our stuff and throw it onto a AR-9, no need to spend R&D money on this when we can just sell our name" While they do overcharge for their name on their AR15 I do still see the duty value they add, but that value doesn't translate at all into an AR9.
if you can afford to drop 2 grand on a direct blowback pcc that you need to upgrade the trigger in, you might as well save up a little longer for a jp-5. best trigger in the pcc game, least recoil, extremely reliable. Following the written instructions for the break in procedure, I ran 1k rounds of blazer brass through mine without cleaning and had zero malfunctions.
Bought my wife the Lead Star Arms Prime PCC some years back. Everyone at the match wanted to shoot it. Shoots like a .22 LR. Only complaint is it gets dirty, fast. Perfect competition PCC IMO. Thanks for the video.
I have one of those and I love it. But they got bought out by PSA. It does get pretty dirty, but I have had no trouble with malfunctions when it gets dirty.
JP-5 are so overpriced and way overrated, and this is coming from a GM PCC shooter that shoots in the DFW area just like humble marksman. The MAUL from mean arms x unrivaled is a million times better and cheaper then the JP-5. Why do you think Max Leograndis moved to the mean arms and got rid of his JP's?
I was really into this when I saw it at SHOT last year, but then they dropped it for brace nonsense and for $1900 you can get a GHM9 with ammo or a used APC9 or MPX, that will shoot much softer and have a better trigger. Only saving grace is the mags, since MPX and B&T mags are relatively expensive.
Had a Scorpion and sold it. Got me a Springfield Victor 9mm for 1 stack(half the price of DD) and upgraded it with the same Kyn-SHOT buffer from OP. No problems so far…
When it was announced I never once thought of it as a gamer gun, I'm surprised they sent it to a channel that has such an obvious competition focus. I just assumed they were filling the generic gap of "PCC" in their product line. I'm sure it's a very well made direct blowback. But I don't think there's a big place for that in the gamer market for that. For the same money you can get better performance building it yourself. Or you can get slightly less (but still comparable) performance for WAY less buying other offerings. Or for almost the exact same money, get a JP blowback. They still make them, and they'll be so much better configured for competition. I'm hugely biased by my resent investment in a Mean Arms upper, though.
I know next to nothing about PCC competition, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once. Why spend $2,200 when you can get the JP Enterprises GMR-15 which is the most popular Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) used in competition. If you are going to compete it seems to me that the extra $1,500 is worth it. Unless you are a PCC competitor you are spending a lot of coin to sling lead down range.
Add a 3/4 Kynshot buffer weight to short stroke and if not so equipped a Wilson combat carbine flat wire spring. Short strokes it and still allows last round bolt hold open. Works good on PSA ARV with scorpion mags. Credit to Blowback9. A lot of money for this to need modifications though. I would probably just try a CMMG Banshee instead.
Nice vid! There is a philosophy among some rifle builders that since triggers are such personal choices for rifle/PCC guys that most of your buyers will change it no matter what you put in so just put an inexpensive one in. Not saying it is right. Yeah, the 16" saves you from a tax stamp and having to notify ATF if you are taking it out of state. Says the guy who runs a H&K SP5 in USPSA. :-)
I’m currently making a pcc similar to the DD pcc but I’m using the Wraithworks warscorp9 For those interested in getting a pcc I would recommend building one and their is a few other AR options that accept scorpion mags PSA AR-V Wraithworks warscorp9
Thanks for convincing me to just run a JP, the bolt catch is the only thing this gun does better and the JP comes out of the box a better gun. The GMR-15 is same price as the DD. The JP-5 is 3.5K.
I shoot my PCC is Steel Challenge and occasionally in USPSA when need a change of pace. I run a Gen 3 Stribog and love it, but I did have to file a form with my Uncle Samual to do so.
Try some Lucas oil lithium grease on your buffer spring to fix that noise. At this price point for a blowback much better to build a nice PCC with premium parts. Can be lighter, flatter, better trigger, and Glock mags.
Thanks, my wife ordered that bluey shirt not wven 5 minutes after seeing the one you have, as well as about 6 other various metal style bluey shirts. So this was just a bluey shirt sales pitch for us 😂 As far as this thing.... idk man, i want a pcc but i also dont. The scorpion mags are nice. But i personally would just get the psa models that take them or just get a scorpion.
IME the drop in cartridge triggers don’t play nice with heavy blow back bolts. At all. You’ll want something closer to a mil spec trigger design, I usually end up with LaRue triggers in mine.
I held the LRWC 9 at SHOT and the ambi lower, plus their controls and trigger felt better. I am kind of a LWRC fanboy thought so i say pick up both at the store if you can.
More expensive, unproven, needs a trigger and non-glock mags Nothing there that would make my pick this over.a JP GMR-15 or Sig MPX at this price point. But thank you for the review!😎 (If was going to shoot PCC REALLY, I'd just go the 3.5 racks for the JP5 🤑)
$2.2K for direct blowback is a hilarious ask. You can get a Mean Arms upper and slap it on a normal lower with endo mags for less and would probably be far happier.
@@whatsamcgeethe upper that the PCC national champ uses is low quality? You don’t know what you’re talking about. This DD rifle is overpriced and has no market
I’ll take direct blowback for competition 10/10 times. The MPX and roller/bearing delay guns are the equivalent of a lightened striker spring in the Glonk. Sure, you get a slightly better recoil impulse in the PCC, but at the cost of greatly increased maintenance and introducing new failure points. Kynshot buffer was an absolute stellar choice. It would have been a turd with a standard buffer. I think this is a nicely positioned option right in the middle of PSA and Davinci pcc’s.
@@shootinbruin3614no doubt. They also have a direct connect to the manufacturer. Much better support than the average owner is likely to have. I’m not saying the Mean isn’t fine… but there’s absolutely more stuff that can go wrong.
@@FC_Jason Not being disingenuous as I genuinely want to know from someone who goes to more matches than I do: Is there in your observation a significantly increased failure rate with the MA and JP-5 guns vs. blowbacks? If so, what types of failures are the most common? I am aware that the JP-5 frequently needs new extractor springs but I haven't read of any other issues. I currently have a blowback; I'm not committed to either the MA or JP but am interested in trying one of them this year so I'm trying to make the most informed decision I can.
@@shootinbruin3614early JP5s had lots of issues. They seem to be fairly squared away these days. I’m not saying that the JP5 or Mean aren’t successful platforms, I think the innovation is great, but just like the challenges with the MPX (that it sounds like David too has experienced) the recoil reduction gains do come with an increased chance of issues. Whereas blowback guns just run and run… with little to no cleaning for thousands and thousands of rounds.
I’m debating between the DD PCC the short version or the HK SP5. Which one would you recommend? I’m not going to use it for competition more for range shooting. Thanks
This seems like a really poor value. I bought a CMMG radial delayed blowback barrel and BCG kit, as well as an upper receiver and handguard from Geissele, to assemble a dedicated 9mm upper that mimics the 5.56 upper on my Super Duty rifle as closely as possible. I can remove the 5.56 upper from the gun, replace it with the 9mm upper, and use the CMMG 30-round PMag 9mm conversion mags to have a darn near identical experience as shooting 5.56 for half the ammo cost. I use it for plinking and training, but I bet it would also work well for competition.
I've asked DD before why they use such crappy triggers. Their answer: they pass savings onto the consumer by using that trigger so the consumer can pick their favorite trigger.
You can get a CZ Scorpion PCC, a Wraithworks Warscorp9 PCC (full ambi with left and right button releases AND a paddle), AND a case of ammo for that. Hard pass.
I literally have the same hydraulic buffer in my AR-V , with a5 toob & 2 weights under 1k , this seems silly , everyone who’s shot mine is surprised it’s a blowback
This is just an overpriced direct blowback PCC. Extar can do that for $300. Sure, sure, it has some quality control, but that should be the bare minimum and not some standout feature. And double stack, double feed magazines are cool. But not revolutionary by any means. Nor do they justify that price tag. If you want a premiu PCC for competition you get a JP-5. You cannot bet better than a MP5 with modern AR ergos.
Direct blowback PCC at a very high price, using unusual magazines, with no brake, and it needs a trigger? Um, no thank you very much. If I was going to spend a ton of money on a PCC, I would spend the extra money and get a JP5.
@ they seem to resist carbon sooting and aren’t quite so “squishable” compared to the lancers. I think the feed presentation is slightly better but I’m not sure if that’s just perception or not
There’s just nothing here outside of symmetrical ambi for that price that doesn’t send me to the M&P Response for $800. Too much compromise for match use, too much “luxury” for home defense. If it was 1200 or 1300 it would be a no brainer. But 2k is just a bit much. Even for DD
As someone who is a reloader and shot a lot of PCC prior to the Plandemic, I used a specific sub-sonic load in my Steel Challenge 2011, and used the same ammunition in my Steel Challenge PCCs. It was really quiet, like less noisy than a .22 LR carbine. I had to put a brake on my rifles so that the timer would hear all of my shots. Also, I used a CMMG build with a CMMG BCG and it worked fine until about 2k rounds through it, then it would FTE with every magazine. Same with the Ruger PCC, except it took 5k rounds to start acting up. Anyone who shoots a lot of 9mm PCCs knows that reliability costs a premium. Several of my competitors spent more than double the cost of the parts to get them running reliably long term. There's a reason the JP-5 is so popular in spite of the price. If this DD can be as reliable as the JP-5 at this price point, I'd gladly pay it. I'll still end up getting a PCC rated competition trigger. And I have plenty of CZ Scorpion magazines.
I got an M&P FPC for a fun plinker for me and my kids a year ago. Decided to try it in steel match and USPSA match just for fun. Got into it and started saving up for a JP5 for matches. After shooting other guys high $ rifles and seeing all the malfunctions they'd have from time to time, I invested the $1500 I'd saved towards a JP5 in cases of 9mm and the rest is history. I'm only at the 5krds mark with it. But it's ran flawlessly so far. I get a kick out of occasionally beating a couple of the much better guys simply because their $3k PCC with custom loads malfunctions on a stage or 2. And if something fails, a customer service phone call covers it. It's not bad for a $575 range toy.
Didn’t see anything that impressed me about it. There are other upper and lowers that are just as good if not better. A basic trigger seems geared more toward profits than value for the customer who will likely replace it. Seven plus pounds is a little heavy IMHO. If someone is willing to spend that kind of money then I believe they will be better off building their own.
Allegedly they put it that far forward so people are forced to stop take it off and put it where they want… I’m not sure the validity of this statement but it’s works I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Lets all make a rifle that shoots cheaper ammo. But lets make the rifle so expensive it makes using cheap ammo pointless because in the end you're not saving any money.. Unless the PCC is sub 400 bucks its pretty fkn useless in every way.
I’ve heard somewhere that Glock mags really aren’t optimal for pcc’s since they are single feed. The old school Colt style SMG mags are supposed to be the optimal choice.
@@bigshoe84ifyI have multiple PCC platforms. On my builds the Glock mag ones have way less problems specifically double feed jams compared to MPX, colt sticks mags. Also it's tremendously easier to reload a skinny Glock mag compared to a 2"X2" square chunk.
@@mackies9151 Interesting, I’ve never run a Glock mag pcc so have no personal experience with that but I have one that uses the Colt style mags and it runs great.
Refreshing review! I’m so sick of hearing keyboard commandos parrot back Internet myths about how the DD furniture rips ALL of the hairs off their beard and how the first thing they have to do is replace the DD Grip & Rip with a Radian. I love the furniture and charging handle so much that I put it on my other armalite platform rifles. I’m just bummed they didn’t do Glock mags.
over 2k for a hand gun caliber (rifle) naw im good its worthless want a hand gun get a hand gun want a rifle get a rifle why handicap yourself with that garbage that serves zero purpose other then a money grab for a company that knows people will waste there money...
because PCC is a division in USPSA and IDPA that lets you shoot rifles on handgun ranges and do practical stuff. Both require an SBR stamp or a 16" barrel.
Respectfully disagree. A PCC serves multiple purposes! They’re a lot quieter in an indoor range. Cheaper to shoot. Same ergos and controls as a rifle, so cheaper training. Plus, they’re just fun!
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@ Is true! I know because I’ve owned them. Glock mags were NEVER designed to be used in a rifle. The mag release cutout gets chewed up over time. Plus, the bolt hold-open mechanism can problematic. The excuse that people want mag familiarity between their pistol and PCC is a dumb argument, unless it’s strictly for competition. If my sidearm is a pistol, my primary is a 5.56 or .308 rifle, not a friggin PCC.
@ your the exception rather then the rule. Glock mags dominate for a reason. The fact that you bring those other two calibers into the conversation just shows that you miss the whole point of shooting PCC's
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Blowback PCC usually are known for being late. The reason the MPX is heavy is because it’s a gas piston. 7 pounds for the direct blowback is pretty heavy when you got guys like JP coming out at 5 pounds for a competition style gun.
The fact that it has a 90° safety, not a great trigger, no muzzle brake, even though they tried to justify that and no type of bearing delay system. This seems much more like a home defense or plinking rifle than a true competition PCC.
Seemed to me like a "lets take our stuff and throw it onto a AR-9, no need to spend R&D money on this when we can just sell our name"
While they do overcharge for their name on their AR15 I do still see the duty value they add, but that value doesn't translate at all into an AR9.
if you can afford to drop 2 grand on a direct blowback pcc that you need to upgrade the trigger in, you might as well save up a little longer for a jp-5. best trigger in the pcc game, least recoil, extremely reliable. Following the written instructions for the break in procedure, I ran 1k rounds of blazer brass through mine without cleaning and had zero malfunctions.
Excellent review. Great detail on both its positive features and its negatives.
Now lets see Paul Allen's PCC
My god, it’s even has a watermark!
The tasteful geissele trigger on it…
Embossed lettering in the receiver…
Am-15 enjoyer: I can’t believe they prefer Daniel’s carbine to mine…
Bought my wife the Lead Star Arms Prime PCC some years back. Everyone at the match wanted to shoot it. Shoots like a .22 LR. Only complaint is it gets dirty, fast. Perfect competition PCC IMO. Thanks for the video.
I have one of those and I love it. But they got bought out by PSA. It does get pretty dirty, but I have had no trouble with malfunctions when it gets dirty.
I'm waiting for my JP-5 Steel Challenge PCC to arrive. I'd love to hear your thoughts about the JP-5 PCCs and their roller delayed blowback system
Pretty cool - how did you link like that with descriptive text instead of a URL?
JP-5 are so overpriced and way overrated, and this is coming from a GM PCC shooter that shoots in the DFW area just like humble marksman. The MAUL from mean arms x unrivaled is a million times better and cheaper then the JP-5. Why do you think Max Leograndis moved to the mean arms and got rid of his JP's?
the pcc are just fun and cheap to shoot vs the rifle round great video
Great review!!! Thank you👍🏼🤙🏽
I was really into this when I saw it at SHOT last year, but then they dropped it for brace nonsense and for $1900 you can get a GHM9 with ammo or a used APC9 or MPX, that will shoot much softer and have a better trigger. Only saving grace is the mags, since MPX and B&T mags are relatively expensive.
Had a Scorpion and sold it. Got me a Springfield Victor 9mm for 1 stack(half the price of DD) and upgraded it with the same Kyn-SHOT buffer from OP. No problems so far…
When it was announced I never once thought of it as a gamer gun, I'm surprised they sent it to a channel that has such an obvious competition focus. I just assumed they were filling the generic gap of "PCC" in their product line.
I'm sure it's a very well made direct blowback. But I don't think there's a big place for that in the gamer market for that. For the same money you can get better performance building it yourself. Or you can get slightly less (but still comparable) performance for WAY less buying other offerings. Or for almost the exact same money, get a JP blowback. They still make them, and they'll be so much better configured for competition.
I'm hugely biased by my resent investment in a Mean Arms upper, though.
How do you find the Mean upper? Round count?
I know next to nothing about PCC competition, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once. Why spend $2,200 when you can get the JP Enterprises GMR-15 which is the most popular Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) used in competition. If you are going to compete it seems to me that the extra $1,500 is worth it. Unless you are a PCC competitor you are spending a lot of coin to sling lead down range.
PSA has the same mag for the akv and they’re cheaper
I have probably a dozen scorpion mags. So this sounds interesting.
Schmeisser PCC have a ambi bolt release - and Yes - it´s Good for unload and show clear and for fast drop at Op3 starts. 🙂
I wonder how it will do with a SilencerCo specter 9 would do on this set up or the sbr set up I’d like to to the ejection on this set up.
At 2 stacks, the trigger should at least be primo. Seems like DD should have stayed in their lane.
Thanks for the info. Not into rifles for 9mm but cool stuff and scorpion mags is solid be well sir.
DD tried to branch out to PRS bolt guns. They bought that Hudson thing. Now this pcc.
Eventually something will stick to the wall.
Like everyone else above - get a JP5. It’s the 2011 of the PCC world and it’s worth it.
I’m just going to get the Mean Arms Upper instead and use my 3 gun lower for it. Also roller delayed like my MP5 clone but smoother shooting.
I just wish jp would make a buffer less backpack version.
Juice isn't worth the squeeze.
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3.4k for jp5 xd
Add a 3/4 Kynshot buffer weight to short stroke and if not so equipped a Wilson combat carbine flat wire spring. Short strokes it and still allows last round bolt hold open. Works good on PSA ARV with scorpion mags. Credit to Blowback9. A lot of money for this to need modifications though. I would probably just try a CMMG Banshee instead.
It holds open as is
@@TheHumbleMarksmanThat wasn’t my point. It was more about a way to speed up the gun and reduce recoil for competition.
Nice vid! There is a philosophy among some rifle builders that since triggers are such personal choices for rifle/PCC guys that most of your buyers will change it no matter what you put in so just put an inexpensive one in. Not saying it is right. Yeah, the 16" saves you from a tax stamp and having to notify ATF if you are taking it out of state. Says the guy who runs a H&K SP5 in USPSA. :-)
I’m currently making a pcc similar to the DD pcc but I’m using the Wraithworks warscorp9
For those interested in getting a pcc I would recommend building one and their is a few other AR options that accept scorpion mags
PSA AR-V
Wraithworks warscorp9
How is it holding up after a decent amount of rounds? Have you had any issues feeding flat nose rounds like gold dot or any hollow points?
Round count is about 1k - haven’t tried flats
I got a Lead Star a while back for about $1k and have loved it. Similar specs, just lighter and with a nicer trigger.
Thanks for convincing me to just run a JP, the bolt catch is the only thing this gun does better and the JP comes out of the box a better gun. The GMR-15 is same price as the DD. The JP-5 is 3.5K.
The palmetto state armory AK-V mags should work, and they are cheap. Plus you can get extensions to bring them up to like 45 or 55 rounds
DD, please make this in 10mm.
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Saw you with a rifle and had to see what was going on. Lol Thanks for the video.
I shoot my PCC is Steel Challenge and occasionally in USPSA when need a change of pace. I run a Gen 3 Stribog and love it, but I did have to file a form with my Uncle Samual to do so.
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Try some Lucas oil lithium grease on your buffer spring to fix that noise. At this price point for a blowback much better to build a nice PCC with premium parts. Can be lighter, flatter, better trigger, and Glock mags.
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As far as this thing.... idk man, i want a pcc but i also dont. The scorpion mags are nice. But i personally would just get the psa models that take them or just get a scorpion.
IME the drop in cartridge triggers don’t play nice with heavy blow back bolts. At all. You’ll want something closer to a mil spec trigger design, I usually end up with LaRue triggers in mine.
Looking at this in 16" or the Lwrc IC9 in 16". Wanting to put one of these next to my B&T spc 16".
Also curious how this is as supressor host. Flat wire 556 spring from Tubb will fix the sproing sound.
I held the LRWC 9 at SHOT and the ambi lower, plus their controls and trigger felt better. I am kind of a LWRC fanboy thought so i say pick up both at the store if you can.
@michaeleason1217 picked up the lwrci in ODG for 1899 OTD and the DD for 1584 OTD. lol.
More expensive, unproven, needs a trigger and non-glock mags Nothing there that would make my pick this over.a JP GMR-15 or Sig MPX at this price point. But thank you for the review!😎 (If was going to shoot PCC REALLY, I'd just go the 3.5 racks for the JP5 🤑)
$2.2K for direct blowback is a hilarious ask. You can get a Mean Arms upper and slap it on a normal lower with endo mags for less and would probably be far happier.
Those are all much lower quality, which is why they cost so much less. DD rifles are better than whatever you have.
@whatsamcgee hahaha no its not.
@@whatsamcgeethe upper that the PCC national champ uses is low quality? You don’t know what you’re talking about. This DD rifle is overpriced and has no market
@@whatsamcgee LOL DD has major QC issues the past few years.
Not really a competition gun, it's a defensive PCC. I'm liking its looks, design, blowback operation and use of Scorpion mags. 👍👍
Why would you buy a 16” for defense in 9? The SBR or pistol makes way more sense
If it was 10MM I'd be excited.
I’ll take direct blowback for competition 10/10 times. The MPX and roller/bearing delay guns are the equivalent of a lightened striker spring in the Glonk. Sure, you get a slightly better recoil impulse in the PCC, but at the cost of greatly increased maintenance and introducing new failure points.
Kynshot buffer was an absolute stellar choice. It would have been a turd with a standard buffer.
I think this is a nicely positioned option right in the middle of PSA and Davinci pcc’s.
Glonk?
Max, Kyle, and Zack don't seem to have any problems with their MA uppers. I've yet to get mine, so no first hand experience
@@shootinbruin3614no doubt. They also have a direct connect to the manufacturer. Much better support than the average owner is likely to have.
I’m not saying the Mean isn’t fine… but there’s absolutely more stuff that can go wrong.
@@FC_Jason Not being disingenuous as I genuinely want to know from someone who goes to more matches than I do: Is there in your observation a significantly increased failure rate with the MA and JP-5 guns vs. blowbacks? If so, what types of failures are the most common? I am aware that the JP-5 frequently needs new extractor springs but I haven't read of any other issues.
I currently have a blowback; I'm not committed to either the MA or JP but am interested in trying one of them this year so I'm trying to make the most informed decision I can.
@@shootinbruin3614early JP5s had lots of issues. They seem to be fairly squared away these days.
I’m not saying that the JP5 or Mean aren’t successful platforms, I think the innovation is great, but just like the challenges with the MPX (that it sounds like David too has experienced) the recoil reduction gains do come with an increased chance of issues.
Whereas blowback guns just run and run… with little to no cleaning for thousands and thousands of rounds.
Flat wire spring can help reduce the sproinginesss. Stick with a regular carbine spring, tho, none of the +p springs. Unnecessary on an AR9.
Seems nice, but for the price point I’ve seen online it looks like the saint victor 9mm is just as good for a lot less
I’m debating between the DD PCC the short version or the HK SP5. Which one would you recommend? I’m not going to use it for competition more for range shooting. Thanks
This seems like a really poor value. I bought a CMMG radial delayed blowback barrel and BCG kit, as well as an upper receiver and handguard from Geissele, to assemble a dedicated 9mm upper that mimics the 5.56 upper on my Super Duty rifle as closely as possible. I can remove the 5.56 upper from the gun, replace it with the 9mm upper, and use the CMMG 30-round PMag 9mm conversion mags to have a darn near identical experience as shooting 5.56 for half the ammo cost. I use it for plinking and training, but I bet it would also work well for competition.
I've asked DD before why they use such crappy triggers. Their answer: they pass savings onto the consumer by using that trigger so the consumer can pick their favorite trigger.
Kynshot works well with blockback. But for that price I would get a JP GMR-15, MP5 clone, or B&T SPC 9/GHM 9
Not sure why you would go with this when the mpx exists. Love that thing.
I'll stick with my Spingfield Saint Victor in 9mm for half the cash, so this is a pass for me.
Ok David so for virtually the same money the DD or your MPX?
i'm very interested in PCC accuracy. can you put an LPVO on it and shot some groups at 50 yards?
You can get a CZ Scorpion PCC, a Wraithworks Warscorp9 PCC (full ambi with left and right button releases AND a paddle), AND a case of ammo for that. Hard pass.
Yep
I literally have the same hydraulic buffer in my AR-V , with a5 toob & 2 weights under 1k , this seems silly , everyone who’s shot mine is surprised it’s a blowback
I also have an AR-V - I use a carbine length tube, KAK enhanced PCC buffer, and a flatwound spring. Nicest recoiling PCC I've ever shot.
This is just an overpriced direct blowback PCC. Extar can do that for $300. Sure, sure, it has some quality control, but that should be the bare minimum and not some standout feature. And double stack, double feed magazines are cool. But not revolutionary by any means. Nor do they justify that price tag.
If you want a premiu PCC for competition you get a JP-5. You cannot bet better than a MP5 with modern AR ergos.
For the price it may be a good choice for PCC shooters. But id still take a CMMG over basically anything for PCCs
Direct blowback PCC at a very high price, using unusual magazines, with no brake, and it needs a trigger? Um, no thank you very much. If I was going to spend a ton of money on a PCC, I would spend the extra money and get a JP5.
CZ mags are not unusual. There’s at least 4 companies squirting them out for 10-15$.
There cz mags easy to be found all over. They are also affordable.
DD is seeing if they can get away with pulling a b&t
CZ scorpion mags are cheap and easy to find.
JP's entire business model is a solution looking for a problem. Hard pass.
Everyone wants to sell blowback cause it is cheap to make.
Almost 2k. Where are the ones that come up with a kinda new delay system?
Whats been your experience with the mpx mags? I find if I'm not careful loading mine I can get feed issues
I haven't had issues feeding with MPX mags yet - round counts are still low - probably approaching 2k on the rifle
I like the thril/new sig 35rd mags (they’re the same) over the lancer made ones.
@@user-vv9lr2rw5d What makes the Thril better? I only have the old Lancers so I can't compare
@ they seem to resist carbon sooting and aren’t quite so “squishable” compared to the lancers. I think the feed presentation is slightly better but I’m not sure if that’s just perception or not
@ Being stiffer makes sense since they're solid vs. translucent. Their 20 rounder appears to be shorter than Lancer's as well. Appreciate the response
I really want a JP5 but they are so expensive.
I’ll keep my SIG MPX thanks
Don’t see lot people dropping 2k for that. If better trigger, maybe
Too expensive. I'm not firing 9mm down range for $2,000. CZ Scorpion or Extar EP-9.
CZ and Extar have to much dot bounce for competition
What optic is that?
There’s just nothing here outside of symmetrical ambi for that price that doesn’t send me to the M&P Response for $800. Too much compromise for match use, too much “luxury” for home defense. If it was 1200 or 1300 it would be a no brainer. But 2k is just a bit much. Even for DD
how much ?
As someone who is a reloader and shot a lot of PCC prior to the Plandemic, I used a specific sub-sonic load in my Steel Challenge 2011, and used the same ammunition in my Steel Challenge PCCs. It was really quiet, like less noisy than a .22 LR carbine. I had to put a brake on my rifles so that the timer would hear all of my shots. Also, I used a CMMG build with a CMMG BCG and it worked fine until about 2k rounds through it, then it would FTE with every magazine. Same with the Ruger PCC, except it took 5k rounds to start acting up. Anyone who shoots a lot of 9mm PCCs knows that reliability costs a premium. Several of my competitors spent more than double the cost of the parts to get them running reliably long term. There's a reason the JP-5 is so popular in spite of the price. If this DD can be as reliable as the JP-5 at this price point, I'd gladly pay it. I'll still end up getting a PCC rated competition trigger. And I have plenty of CZ Scorpion magazines.
I got an M&P FPC for a fun plinker for me and my kids a year ago. Decided to try it in steel match and USPSA match just for fun. Got into it and started saving up for a JP5 for matches. After shooting other guys high $ rifles and seeing all the malfunctions they'd have from time to time, I invested the $1500 I'd saved towards a JP5 in cases of 9mm and the rest is history. I'm only at the 5krds mark with it. But it's ran flawlessly so far. I get a kick out of occasionally beating a couple of the much better guys simply because their $3k PCC with custom loads malfunctions on a stage or 2. And if something fails, a customer service phone call covers it. It's not bad for a $575 range toy.
Ar9's or 9mms aren't that hard to get running and they shouldnt cost a premium either.
This one is severely overpriced for what you get.
The CMMG needs a new o ring for the extractor every 500-800 rounds, not a big deal once you know this. Otherwise it is a great platform.
@MotoBozo-n4e huh? Pretty sure you mean ejector spring.
This or the MPX?
You seriously asking whether an overpriced direct blowback gun versus one of the softest shooting 9 mm PCC's on the market is better?
@@conman1395 My mpx has a jiggly rail, and I can bend the rail to touch the barrel.
@@cameronh5442 MPX's are also consumable items once you're past 10,000 rounds
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Barrel is too long, IMO. For the distances of the competition, 12 inches is enough. It makes difference when swinging the rifle.
Yeah and then ask the ATF permission to travel to matches
What's all that white stuff on the range? Aren't you in texas??
Didn’t see anything that impressed me about it. There are other upper and lowers that are just as good if not better. A basic trigger seems geared more toward profits than value for the customer who will likely replace it. Seven plus pounds is a little heavy IMHO. If someone is willing to spend that kind of money then I believe they will be better off building their own.
I vote this the best gun of 2024/25
I will got a cmmg dissent over this everyday
Allegedly they put it that far forward so people are forced to stop take it off and put it where they want… I’m not sure the validity of this statement but it’s works I guess 🤷🏻♂️
I prefer B&T apc 9 pro
Hard pass for 2k. Better off spending that same $$$ on gmr-15 or save another 1k for a jp5.
A lot of great PCC’s for far less than this thing.
It seems underwhelming.
JP5 all the way!
Just buy a JP.
Nah. I’ll just stick with my Extar. 😂
Lets all make a rifle that shoots cheaper ammo. But lets make the rifle so expensive it makes using cheap ammo pointless because in the end you're not saving any money.. Unless the PCC is sub 400 bucks its pretty fkn useless in every way.
CZ has kinda been a goat rodeo since merging with Colt. Also, pour one out for companies announcing products they can't get to market for years.
they did not merge, they bought colt
Hold up Staccato is making a 2011 that takes Glock mags but DD thought it would be smart for their PCC not to take Glock mags. 😂
I’ve heard somewhere that Glock mags really aren’t optimal for pcc’s since they are single feed. The old school Colt style SMG mags are supposed to be the optimal choice.
@@bigshoe84ifyI have multiple PCC platforms. On my builds the Glock mag ones have way less problems specifically double feed jams compared to MPX, colt sticks mags. Also it's tremendously easier to reload a skinny Glock mag compared to a 2"X2" square chunk.
@@mackies9151 Interesting, I’ve never run a Glock mag pcc so have no personal experience with that but I have one that uses the Colt style mags and it runs great.
Just get the new psa ar-v. Save yourself 1k.
Refreshing review! I’m so sick of hearing keyboard commandos parrot back Internet myths about how the DD furniture rips ALL of the hairs off their beard and how the first thing they have to do is replace the DD Grip & Rip with a Radian. I love the furniture and charging handle so much that I put it on my other armalite platform rifles.
I’m just bummed they didn’t do Glock mags.
over 2k for a hand gun caliber (rifle) naw im good its worthless
want a hand gun get a hand gun
want a rifle get a rifle
why handicap yourself with that garbage that serves zero purpose other then a money grab for a company that knows people will waste there money...
because PCC is a division in USPSA and IDPA that lets you shoot rifles on handgun ranges and do practical stuff. Both require an SBR stamp or a 16" barrel.
Respectfully disagree. A PCC serves multiple purposes! They’re a lot quieter in an indoor range. Cheaper to shoot. Same ergos and controls as a rifle, so cheaper training. Plus, they’re just fun!
waste of money unless you are DD fanboy.
I think id rather go with a PSA arv and save the money
For $2200 you can get something way better way more reliable than that hunk of shit.
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Priced,like an aft lackey.
Well, your grip sucks. Let's statt from that
Nope
typical daniel defense. premium (kinda) price for a mediocre product.
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Mr. Daniel apparently heard from his customers about their displeasure with his FixNICS stance. He just issued the following statement:
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Did they?
Yawn. This same recycled disinfo?
@@Henderson_A17 The founder said that he doesn’t support abolishing the ATF. This guy has his words twisted.
@@whatsamcgee “love the ATF” and not wanting to get shut down are a bit different. Trex Arms spoke on this. Time and place.
Ffs...just build PCC to take glock mags
Glock mags suck for PCCs! Scorpion and Colt mags are far more reliable and easier to load. They’re also inexpensive.
@@wisco_guy this info is false. If it was true, all the top 25 competitors in the country wouldn’t be using Glock mags.
@ Is true! I know because I’ve owned them. Glock mags were NEVER designed to be used in a rifle. The mag release cutout gets chewed up over time. Plus, the bolt hold-open mechanism can problematic. The excuse that people want mag familiarity between their pistol and PCC is a dumb argument, unless it’s strictly for competition. If my sidearm is a pistol, my primary is a 5.56 or .308 rifle, not a friggin PCC.
@ your the exception rather then the rule. Glock mags dominate for a reason. The fact that you bring those other two calibers into the conversation just shows that you miss the whole point of shooting PCC's
@ Then tell me, genius. What’s the point of a PCC? Hmmm, shoot a pistol caliber bullet out of a carbine, right? If that’s the intent, I’m going to use the most reliable design for that purpose. Glock mags aren’t it! This is going in circles. Meeting adjourned.