Jim Cornette on The End Of AEW's Investigation Of CM Punk & The Elite's Locker Room Tussle
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- Опубликовано: 28 окт 2022
- From Episode 454 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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At this point, I think Jim and Brian should get Punk on the podcast provided he can and wants to talk about this mess.
Punk isn’t going to say shit if his mouth was full of it until his lawyers say he can
Hell yeah!!
After the inevitable lawsuit he may
But he probably won’t want to get Jim in any lawsuit by association like what happened with Colt
as much as i think everyone would love to hear Punk's side of the story (and especially if Jim/Brian can bring him on), probably as a result of the buyout, if it happens, he might not be able to talk about the incident for a very long time, if ever. Now, the question is whether or not Jim/Brian can get Ace Steel's wife to talk about it. That could have potential.
Ariel Helwani has a chance to redeem himself from that awful TK interview
3 years in, AEW already has half a season of Dark Side of the Ring filled.
*That we know of*
Pink Side of the Ring. This is just gossip and hissy fits.
The stuff happening is nothing but highschool drama. Not worth an episode.
The formation of the company
The Cody story
Bodies lee death
Forbidden door
Roh purchase
Sammi vs Eddie
Sammi vs Andrade
Dr Britt baker sleeping around
Multiple concussions and injuries
Moxleys rehab
Jericho
A 3 parter for the punk bucks scrum
More.than a full season already
@@Heroesworkshop well, when the Young Bucks and are involved, what else can you expect?
Tony picking The Elite and Jericho over Punk and Cody unfortunately tells you everything you need to know about where AEW is going
toilet
Directly into WWE's defunct promotion tape library.
Glad I stopped watching long ago. Fuck aew
@@badladyami lmao, Tony is too rich to sell tho the company will just never grow
@@sunsfan101981 yep same, sucks that I'm missing out on Starks, MJF, Hobbs etc. But I'm sure we'll see those guys in the WWE soon anyway
Punk was the reason I started buying AEW pay per views. His absence is the reason I have stopped.
And now he's a turkey 😭😭 whyyyyy
I can’t believe how quickly people turned on Punk
Not surprising. Given the actions of Punk. People see now, who he really is. He had the cover of legit gripes against WWE to hide behind before. But now, when he's been given the world on a platter, he still has to seek out bitterness and imagined slights.
He is old and he can't take the bumps anymore he did in the Indy's. He was looking for a profitable way out.
@@adamirishconundrum851 So he collaborated with the Bucks and Kenny to come attack him in his locker room. Great point!
@@johnnymittle The Elite are a bunch tools and they’re the ones who started all this, I think it’s crazy how many people are overlooking this.
Really? Punk's a malcontent who stamps his feet and throws tantrums when he doesn't get his way. Now he's slowly becoming a proper washout.
I think at this point people are finally being done with his shit. At least, I hope so.
Watching AEW: Nah
Listening to Cornett dissect AEW dumbassery for 45 mins: hell yeah
When someone puts the Drake meme into words.
That's almost not even a correlative statement. The product on TV is horrible. All the intrigue is behind closed doors.
Watch 1 hour of modern wrestling: I don't have time for that
Listening to Corny talk about anything for 40 minutes: I'm in!
I don't have a problem with doing either one.
I agree with you 100%. Basically AEW is a poor mans version of TNA with Hogan & Bischoff.
I hope Twinkle Toes and the Cucamonga Kids get CM Punk chants any time they appear on TV.
YES!YES!YES! This we as wrestling fans can enact and kill AEW because toes and the kids can't handle that kind of heat
They won't. The fanbase is unanimously pro-elite. Someone tried to start a chant at a dark taping and got booed by the whole crowd. He's not coming back but if he does he'd be the biggest heel and he'd have to lean into it.
@@KC-vx5wo Ok.... You'll see.
For once, I agree.
Punk said day one he didn’t want to be involved in the goofy shit and they did exactly that .Excuse punk for sticking to his word .
Could you imagine Vince firing Hogan in the 80's because the British Bulldogs and Iron Sheik didn't like him?
Freebirds is probably the closest you can get to the Bucks ha ha.
@@Ted_Bell yeah but at least Free Birds drew money and scored
Comparing Hogan to Punk is like comparing a Porsche to a Geo Metro.
@@Ted_Bell did you just compare….
Go look up how many houses the free birds sold out
Don’t you ever say that again
@@therealmaskedheel biggest draw to biggest draw? Seems fair
Didn’t take long for AEW to become everything they hated about WWE
“All Friends Wrestling” that is starting to ring more and more true every time I hear a story about AEW.
"All Elite's Cliq Wrestling" would probably be more accurate.
Corny is right about one thing, and that we haven't seen Sting or Darby or Hobbs. We saw FTR go down in a fuckin burial of a match which signifies the cucamonga kids are back in power.
@@GenGamesUniverse they'll bury the best talent in the roster in favor of the Elite and even more people will tune out. I already have.
AEW is a god damn embarrassing mess in the span of 3 years they have manged to become a bigger joke than TNA ever was.
@@basherman69 It’s been All Enemies Wrestling since Punk came
Punk didn't need to work with Omega, The Buckaroos, or Jericho, they needed to work with Punk.
I’m so glad we finally got Larry immortalized by Travis. No one got elevated in this feud more than him. #PushLarry
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Larry has been featured in a few art pieces, but yes. It's always nice to see him.
Dogs>people
They tried to give a bone a main event push but Larry buried it.
Cane Larry!
It seems Tony is already turning MJF face… because Stone Cold Jericho said so.
They will ruin that in 2 months like they cooled off wardlow. How hard is it to trot wardlow.oit 3 xs a month. 2x on dynamite once in rampage and have him squash someone ? Khan employees 200+ wrestlers and hires indy guys all the time. It's easy simple and you could.get 6 months + of this before you build up someone else like archer or cage for a ppv match vs wardlow.
Turning MJF face is the dumbest shit ever
I literally couldn't believe it. I thought after he came back surely this is the guy you wont fuck up. Then Punk pulls this (he's not at fault but I hold animosity towards him for not shutting the fuck up and being around to put over MJF and solidify him as a megastar) shit and now it seems the best fucking heel in the industry that could make all the territory boys hoot and holler is now going to face.
Who the fuck is this “Wardlow” guy I keep hearing about?
Jericho calling CM Punk the "cancer" in the Locker Room when he and his bad ideas with his Appreciation Society are the Covid of AEW😂
Monkey pox of AEW.
Jericho and his political views are a cancer. Don’t get me started on his “wrestling”
Y2COUP should shut the hell up
It's certainly a pot calling the kettle black moment
Even better is Jericho was one of the big names who told the locker-room to stop leaking shit during that big meeting and then continued to leak anyway.
Punk generated AEW's big business, and was actually pretty liked outside of the EVP's and their camp. Though he could've handled winning the AEW title more professionally, he only responded to what they had already started. If Tony Khan didn't make the Elite EVP's for brownie points, there weren't media scrums in the first place, Dave Meltzer didn't lie about Punk getting Cabana fired, & Page didn't go into business for himself, this whole debacle wouldn't have happened. The reason Punk's getting all the blame for this situation is because people like to tell people how *react* instead of telling the responsible party (you know, the "executives") how to *act*.
Media scrums might have problems, but there was no reason for media scrums to be part of this specific problem. There was no reason for anyone working for AEW to break kayfabe during them. If the press started asking anyone to do it, then deny, or better yet ignore, or even better still feign ignorance of these requests. One of the best things about Broken Matt Hardy was that despite how ridiculous it all was, Matt refused to break kayfabe. Once he crossed that line, it was shit. But if you must, fine, do a shoot interview on your own time. Type up a blog, on your own time. Do a podcast, on your own time. AEW shouldn't be breaking their own kayfabe. Learn from WWE, better yet learn from "Rhodes To The Top".
If the press doesn't ask but start breaking kayfabe themselves, contest it. Treat pro wrestling as real until they get the message. You wanted to film this thing I wanted to keep private, do you? Fine, but it's still being done on my terms. No one's shooting, Punk has no precedent, and no one has any precedent to question why an audible wasn't called in front of Keith Lee, for that matter.
But even if media scrums are just going to ignore kayfabe, maybe Tony Khan should call Punk a liar and say he did try to get rid of Colt Cabana. You were sitting right there Khan. Perhaps Punk was truthful there then? Well Khan, you read The Observer. If stories you know about Punk going after Cabana's job are false, then come out and say they are false. At least use your twitter account! Maybe Punk still calls out Page on Dynamite, but maybe he's placated enough to have moved on by the time of the scrum which you are foolishly not going to keep in kayfabe.
It's absurd how Punk is viewed as 100% at fault
Totally ass backwards
Exactly i mean sure he was not completely right because there were other ways to handle this and he went for the absolute shits, but that doesn't discount the fact that the bigger problem is EVP'S of a multi millionaire promotion are spreading rumours about their top guy. A mid card guy who should be lucky to be in the spot is going into business for himself on national television for no reason and is getting away with it by getting title shots. Crazy stuff in this doomed company and only mjf is the saving grace of that show.
It is 50/50. Thinking otherwise is stupid. In my opinion
Yeah I was just looking trough the comments of a wrestle talk video and the majority of people blame Punk for this whole situation
@@stevenbaksh5545 those people are the definition of markis of the mark soo I don't surprise they blame punk
I guess Nutella was right when he said Tony has people in his ear that dictate who’s on tv and who isn’t. This was before punk even got there!!
Nutella is a hypocrite, because he was there because those douchebags in the first place.
Guy sucks as a wrestler but I doubt he lied about that he would gain nothing from it.
@@darkseidomega2585 Its things like not using certain talent consistently then watching 2.0 Shoot up being involved in everything that irked my soul at one point
@@Z2KR tony putting Garcia and Wheeler in main events on tv is what killed me.
@@megsley indeed I stopped watching normally after that nonsensical forced push of those two started. From AEW I only watch resumes from RUclips to get the context of Jim videos.
Tony took Britt Baker and Orange Cassidy to a Fulham game this weekend.
He's paying millions of dollars to have friends.
Once you acknowledge this, you realise anyone with any serious interest in a career in a professional entity needs to avoid AEW like the plague.
It'a PWG on TNT.
The wrestling "media" has definitely been exposed as a complete joke after all of this. Not one single "journalist" was able to uncover anything and now they're just regurgitating whatever AEW is feeding them. Ridiculous.
It’s like doing a crime report based on “police said”
Crazy. Getting rid of punk is the dumbest decision for a major wrestling company since TNA going on Monday nights against raw.
One of the reason why Vince McMahon and the WWE won the war against WCW wasn’t because they had a better wrestling product. It was because they were better managed and better run than WCW.
And it’s clear they’re better managed than AEW.
It might be more because of all of the injuries. This does look really bad though
it's not that major, they were doing fine before, getting him was a coup really. He had the title twice and got injured straight away, what can you do with him?
Punk made a hell of a lot of mistakes and handled this in the worst way possible. He was totally unprofessional at that press conference. Punk could have come out the good guy- but in the end, no one came out better from this.
@@alanasda7705 but in ring wise it was better than wcw......name your top 5 classiç in ring matches from wcw that were 5 stars outta 5 or 4 outa 5 atleast
It was literally reported that Cody wasn’t getting along with The Elite and he ended up leaving. Now Punk is gone. I wonder who’ll be next to either leave or get released because of The Elite’s bullshit.
Cody has literally said he is still very close friends with the elite. He left because Tony wouldn't give him the contract he wanted. It was an issue with Tony not The Elite.
@@Gr3yCloud bruh Cody is a politician, but the reality was that he wasnt getting along with the Bucks anymore. Why do you think we had the "codyverse"?! Where he and his wrestlersnonly wrestled eachother and wouldnt interact with the Bucks camp.
@Xavier Hernandez he literally just posted about it on Twitter dude. It comes down to him wanting to go for the world title and my guess is that Tony wouldn't book him to fight for a chance out of his own stipulation to the match he had where MJF cost him. I'll even save you the trouble and link you to the tweet.
@@Gr3yCloud yeah but why would Tony not book him out of that stipulation? You're literally hamstringing one of your top guys
@Tony Ruby because Tony doesn't need to be doing the booking. He claims he has been a long time wrestling fan but most of his booking decisions have been terrible. Personally, I feel like Tony was on the road to making Cody the next Cena. Many heel turn teases but never pulling the trigger. He literally had more heat as a baby face than Jericho or MJF did as the top heels of the company.
The discovery part is how Jesse Ventura found out Hulk Hogan ratted him out to Vince about forming a union before there were guaranteed contracts. It came out in the depositions during discovery and Vince was under oath and admitted Hulk told him right after the locker room meeting with Ventura and the wrestlers
“Discovery” to a company run as loosely as AEW with all its financing roots going into other Kahn enterprises is a scary thing indeed. Turn over enough rocks and something is bound to crawl out. Good job, EVPs. Way to protect the company.
@@johansmallberries9874 exactly, and as dumb as the "EVPs" are, u know there's other things that have been said or done that could come out in a bad light.... publicly & financially for Tony
@@johansmallberries9874 lmaaaaoo istg you corny fanboys are psychotic
On this point, I actually get the feeling history will vindicate Punk. Not necessarily his reaction to them, but that his grievances are justified. The colossal dog pile on him because he went after people's faves is honestly kinda sad. There's just not even the slightest consideration that his side of the story may be the truth, regardless of how badly you feel he handled it.
Give it another year or so of garbage booking on AEW. Even some of the hardcore AEW fans are going to wake up to who's been wrong this entire time.
Give it time you can only hide the truth for so long
I think all 4 of em are jerks
So Punk does his job and gets the ratings, merch, and PPV sales higher than the company’s history
And Tony takes the side of a self absorbed 50 year old man, 2 preteen adults, and Harpo, welp, let’s hope MJF finds his home at the top of WWE’s main event
According to other reports (and I have finished listening ot Jim yet so maybe he mentions it) the top talent of AEW during a meeting told Tony that they wouldn't work him again. MJF was in the room and he hasn't said a thing. He hasn't defended Punk or anything and they were alledgly close. That to me paints a huge picture
@PatrickBateman215 job out by having 25-30 minute matches and offering advice and an open locker room to everyone lol?
Go play with your blowup dolls
@@danielsolorzano8623 what does Max stand to gain by defending him aside from turning the locker room against him?
If they can push Punk out who was the most valuable person in that company what’s stopping them from politicking against him so he has to lose to Jericho AGAIN
Hope MJF and Wardlow make their way to WWE along with the other very few talented people on that roster. Jericho, Harpo and the 2 little cunts can play wrestling back at PWG. Absolute joke of a company and hope the company flops
Clearly a cancer when he goes off on everyone in the locker room at a press conference.
TRAVIS DID IT AGAIN!
I used to feel sorry for TK. However, the fact that he had the chance to take away the EVP positions from these guys after what happened and didn't do it. I just don't know what to think.
Why would he? as much as the elite are despicable they did nothing wrong and that's coming from numerous independent sources,
If we want to be honest with ourselves….look at TK and ask yourself:
A) Wow, he look like he was a cool kid in HS.
Or
B) Wow, this kid used to get bullied and smacked around like a little b***h.
Me personally, I’m going with B, just saying.
He has no personality or 🍒 whatsoever
That was the best time to course correct and get some more experienced leadership involved but that’s less likely each day now.
Tony Khan isn’t too bright
The next ariel helwani interview with punk is gonna be a blast!
I really hope Punk doesn’t gets a NDA.
Pro wrestlers are contractors at the end of the day, not employees. Punk doesn’t have to sign to anything he doesn’t agree with theoretically.
@@cosborne06 different story now though after TK revealed Punk has an office role
They have no leverage Punk should Bury them coz they lying and making him seem like the bag guy when he just stood up for himself and spoke the truth. They didn't even interview aces wife who was there because they are trying to save face. Fuck all these people I hope they fukn crumble.
@@JOBdOut He isn’t gonna take an NDA. Especially if he wants to take them to courtz
@@ithinkaboutthings9052 yeah bro clearly its not even a legit investigation if u didn't ask all people at the scene of the crime. This is just bullshit and slanderous towards Punk.
You either die a hero or live long enough to tell us that Mindys bakery is closed Monday and Tuesday.
That one is tremendous ❤
Great comment
Good one 🤣
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Really good comment.
7:00 great observation Jim. Seeing Starks on Dark this week, confirms your theory. Watch the Acclaimed Every Wednesday lose those belts to the Hardly Boys. No you recall when Matt Jackson called out Max Castor for being a rapper wrestler, saying its been done, yet him and Nick are the updated smaller Hardy Boyz.
They are the wannabe Rockers, Hardyz and Shawn Michaels. Not to mention all the NWO and DX antics.
It's not All Friends Wrestling
It's All Egos Wrestling
Corny needs to get punk on his podcast to talk about all this, what a perfect outlet to voice his opinion on and no one would be a better interviewer than cornette and Brian last as a co interviewer
We need another Starcast with Punk.
I don’t think there is enough money in the world for Punk to speak to anybody until the law suits are settled
That's another lawsuit waiting to happen
probably never going to happen. 100% he signed a NDA when he signed a contract with them. Pretty industry standard to keep wrestlers talking about what happens backstage in a way that makes the company look bad.
@@gullreefclub There isn't even a lawsuit yet and no reason to believe there ever will be.
I hope that Steven Amell incorporates this incident into his wrestling tv show “Heels”, then tells the Young Bucks type characters; *YOU HAVE FAILED THIS COMPANY!*
I think he's friends with both them and punk in real life. He was on All-In and Punk was on that show.
@@davidholzer4155 he's Cody's friend.
Patiently waiting for Season 2!
I got that reference
@@Caveman7091 Me too. Great show
I heard that Jericho said that "they don't want Punk back even if he brings higher ratings".
That would be a huge red flag for me. A professional works with whom he is told to work. He simply doesn't care about the business. He just wants to be hip with the kids.
I'd say that too if I was the guy who gets 200k people to turn off their TVs every week with his garbage.
Let’s be real, he doesn’t call himself “the demo god” anymore because he’s constantly evolving his character, he just doesn’t draw the ratings to back it up anymore.
Brian was spot on when he said ,will Colt Cabana be the next one to go against Jericho.Look what 😳happened on Dynamite.All Friends wrestling is back in full force .Nice step down from cm punk to cabana.AEW is so minor league its incredible
Is it ironic that we're not hearing Punk's side of the story when the event that kicked this whole thing off was Punk finally telling his side of *another* controversial story?
P.s. Bryan, ever the voice of reason, is 100% right, even if they wanted to talk to Punk, the best idea would have been waiting until he cooled down from the match and scrum. Going in knowing he's already pissed off, they were basically looking for a fight
I believe they weren't looking for one but are just oblivious and can't read a room.
I believe opportunity came a knocking and they said "time to get rid of Punk", I think they knew going down there would end in a physical altercation.
@@MaehiyaSOLDIER I'm not buying that for one second. These people are pro wrestlers, half their jobs are to "read" crowd reactions and make the proper adjustments during the match when necessary. The Elite knew what they were doing.
Well let's be honest here... 100% they went there knowing a fight would break out, and they knew if punk threw the first punch he would 100% be fired. Punk has a history of being the first one to take it to a physical level, after all that's how he got canned from TNA. It was bait and punk took it, because as we all know punk has a habit of doing and saying things without thinking first.
@@MaehiyaSOLDIER I try to always assume ignorance before intention as well, good point.
If HHH is able to talk Punk into coming back to WWE, I'm going to laugh my backside off. He does have some incentive, now.
Ohhhh ho ho how the turns have tabled 🤔😂
also lets not forget HHH is willing to put business first, Vince probably not but then again he might try to sign punk again just to fuck with tony.
Vince has buried the hatchet with Scott Steiner, Ultimate Warrior and Bret Hart who spit and punched Vince out behind the scenes. Punk calling Triple H a doofus son in law is only like an ant bite compared to what Bret did.
@@TheMrAlgoh Punk has also been giving Triple H praise in the past for how Triple H ran NXT, giving his approval of the black and gold product he was behind. Now with Triple H running the whole ship and not Vince, there is actually a strong chance.
@@unknownsample4801 lol Vince is a mob boss. Nothing is personal to him. Possible exception is Ole Anderson, but I don't see any value Ole would have brought to the company as a performer or as a thinker. I like Ole's views and I share a lot of his thoughts even if they've been bygone for 40 years, but his way of thinking would have been totally at odds with how the Northeast machine worked
Can't wait for Larry to have his own episode on Bark Side of The Ring
I bit Twinkletoes because I didn’t want to work an angle with that blithering, simpering, milksop looking, curly haired, buffoon!! A wrestler already jobbed to a dog, and I’m not dealing with having to work around a herky jerky, prissy prancing, finger pointing, dull witted, simpleton with bad basics and butt plug faces!! I swear, if Phil doesn’t take me by Castle Cornette and Last Manor to play with Harley Quinn and Suomi, I’ll bite the Cucamonga kids straight on their teeny peenies next!!
Larry the dog voiced by Jim Cornette
If they are teaming up to go against you, you gotta understand how powerful you are by yourself
EVP's and TK hugged it out internally and found themselves not guilty.
Don't let all of this distract you from the fact that Scottt Steiner still has a 33 and 1/3rd chance of winning at Sacrafice this Sunday.
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To quote tony khan - THIS FUCKING GUY! LET'S FUCKING GO!
I guess that cuts down my weekly AEW viewing from MJF and Punk segments to just MJF segments.
Snap
Even MJF looked lame this week. He is surrounded by ROH and Impact.
I'm kind of shocked Megha didn't tell them "No, this is a terrible idea."
Given the narrative around this is very "history is written by the winners" and based entirely on the Twinkletoes/Hardlyz version and Chris "I was the hero" leaking information to SRS and Unca Dave, I hope Punk doesn't sign an NDA and goes ham on everything.....
Yeah we have only been hearing the Elite side of things and nothing from Punks side. The thing is the Elite have control over most of the "wrestling journalists" and ya know they gotta make them look like saints even tho they kinda set things in motion. Also who really take Dave seriously if ya do how is that GCW and WWE cross promotion going?
It's scary because Jericho is trying to convince the higher ups to turn MJF face. Soon not even the Elite will have a place in Jericho's AEW or well AJW.
The fact that the Elite are already getting return promos is pretty infuriating.
They're 💯 blaming Punk for everything..And they control the petite wrestling media..These goofy elites have actually done it.. They've removed the best thing on AEW... MJF is next i think.. Cody is already done..
Can't wait for the premier of Dark Side of the Ring: Rise and Fall of All Elite Wrestling. This'll bring good ratings.
I would be surprised if AEW exists in five years.
They should start filming now
Too much money to go out of business
@@Drollpanther Tony Khan could quit at any moment
and aew would instantly go bankrupt
@@gustavoschiller6852 yes agreed. It will last as long as he wants it to last
So the children get their way. Way to go Booker of the year
Im a fan of punk and not the elite but punk can only blame himself for how he acted and handled it
@@Drollpanther you do realize how pathetic this “I’m a fan of _____ but this side is right” argument is?
Nut up
@@Drollpanther I mean when people are making up stories about you acting like children and spreading your business as well while lying on the idea you got someone fired…. I’m surprised he didn’t do even more damage.
@@ImAdaptking i can tell it like it is unlike cornette who is extremely biased
@@Drollpanther biased towards the guy getting jumped by 6 half grown men
You got it pal, like I said, nut up and say who you side with don’t be the pussy who says “I’m a fan but blah blah blah”
CM Punk was just telling the truth
AEW is what happens when the goal of the company isn't to make money. It's Tony's toy box. That's why so many wrestlers have moments that could have made them into stars, like Wardlow's against MJF, and then he's immediately put on the back burner instead of given a push because Tony is bored and wants to move on to his other toys.
That's the only reason I can possibly give for dumping Punk and signing Bandido and Juice Robinson. Those guys are never going to move merch, sell tickets, or sell PPVs.
Never thought I'd say this but now I want to see CM Punk in WWE again.
Yes ^ I want him to go to WWE, n then MJF to do so as well, so they can continue their feud and end it by headlining Wrestlemania. Their last feud was the best in years.
Same. I want to see him have some programs with the current stars and put them over, and hopefully, if triple h sees money, have him and cody main event wrestlemania for the world championship. But cm punk needs to be willing to reconcile with the wwe, and triple h needs to be willing to reconcile with punk.
Not just him but also Wardlow, Ricky Starks, Powerhouse Hobbs, Britt Baker, Thunder Rosa, Jade Cargill, and the Acclaimed.
fckkk no. yall punk lovers are annoying. Let that toxic narcissist go away for good =)
Punk and Roman main eventing Mania would be insane. They need a massive star to take the titles off him. And then Punk vs Cody at SummerSlam would be insane.
Punk should refuse a buyout. He holds all the cards. What is Khan going to do? Either release him or pay him to stay home. Do that and there’s no non compete clause or NDA.
The reaction from the online marks has been disappointing to say the least. When they complain about wrestling not being as popular as it used to be, they don't realise that they are the reason why. They support silly, indierific wrestling and inside-baseball booking geared ONLY towards them while marginalising GOOD wrestling that can make a difference and bring in the mainstream.
The biggest issue with modern wrestling is the modern online marks (online wrestling fans)
So basically Tony doesn’t have the balls to tell everyone “Your opinion doesn’t matter. Because you don’t draw as much, nor sell as much merch. So just get out there and wrestle.”
The elite will be the downfall of aew just like the nwo in wcw, but at least the nwo was over at one point
And actually change the professional wrestling world
The Bucks definitely put out their story through Meltzer and painted it as coming from Punk and conveniently as being false from one of the most trustworthy wrestlers we've known for decades now.
sue for discovery I would for sure if I was punk.
I would rather watch Punk than Omega or The Bucks! Really sucks Tony Kahn !! 😡
AEW will be done within a year if the Bucks stay. They buried all the talent
The Bucks do this all the time. They put out stories through Meltzer to favor them all the time. They are political dirtbags.
@@jmelz155 Depends if Time Warner feels AEW is worth it. To me, AEW is a "never was" company built on a façade of press hype and nostalgia for competition. It has never been a touring brand, their A show can barely beat the rival C show NXT despite having the benefit of two hours, and the one time they did run a house show, they drew way worse than Diesel did on average in 1995. In fact, AEW drew less than a DOA WCW show in my small town that never even had a major promotion show up except for that one time. AEW is exactly what Meltzer envisioned wrestling to be, which was never worthy of consideration. We're talking about someone who thinks Barry Horowitz matches got bigger pops than Hulk Hogan in Paris, therefore "Hogan is only big because of conditioning [socialization, Meltzer]." People who think in those terms that marketing alone brainwashes a fan base are some of the most condescending people you'll ever see. It's the generic sociology talking point that "Women buy makeup because they're told to." Wait until they find out about Medieval makeup techniques 🙄
Dear Punk, if you REALLY wanna piss off the nerds (Bucks, Twinkle Toes, Tony, AEW fan boys, Uncle Dave, etc) come on The Experience or Drive Thru and tell your side!!!! Would be f*ckin epic!!!!!!
I’m sure Punk would love to come on and tell all with Jim but I feel like we may never get the opportunity to hear that cause of all the legal shit
Agreed
You’re probably right. Lawyers on AEW’s side would have insist on some sort of NDA as part of a buyout.
This was some real Cucamongary here.
Aew siding with the elite over cm punk is a sign of bad things to come.
Its gonna be hard for me to watch them anymore if this is true
I find it funny Jericho calling punk a cancer to the AEW locker room when the true cancer is the elite
Once Corny gives you a nickname, doesn't matter what Brian says, he sticks with it
Hearing him say either "Pockets" or "Harpo" still gets a kick out of me.
And Brian never tires from attempting to correct Corny lol
I wish he didn’t. Corny makes a lot of valid points that get undercut when he mocks certain wrestlers’ names. He’s witty enough to roast people without sounding bigoted but chasing that low hanging fruit turns off thousands of people who might have been more receptive his criticism.
@@dngn4774 The real reason he gives nicknames to the people he dislikes is so he doesn't help them trend in the internet algorithm by using their name.
He doesn't mind saying Punk's name and promoting his brand
Andrade Olioliohhhh
This is a worse botch than Cody's departure.
I do not agree with everything that Cornette says but he is spot on about the Bucks. They are a cancer to the business and to be honest I have now watched a couple of their matches and for the life of me I am not sure what people see in them.
Flippy guys go flip flip and the morons go oooh and aaah
I can see what people see in them. The issue is, its not a huge amount of people. They aint gonna be draws of 1.5 million people
@Cranky Pest to be fair, I despise the Bucks, but they can move like no one I’ve seen in the ring. Unfortunately they squander their talents on doing stupid crap.
Bucks were much better in roh/njpw
Flips and dives
I think it’s a shame that Punk is being forced out while the Bucks get to come back . It’s Tony’s fault for even letting shit get this far. Im sure that wasn’t the first time Punk has expressed his grievances. The Elites were the EVPs that stormed into Punks locker room . All the top guys felt threatened and are forcing Tony’s hand to kick him out of AEW. Jealousy.
Why would the elite be jealous of punk? They wanted him in the company to elevate AEW and they’ve been fans of his from early BTE episodes when they talk about him. Kenny omega and the young bucks are actual good wrestlers and not washed up like punk so I highly doubt they’re jealous of his wrestling ability 😂
@@FeedMeNuggies they suck and have never drew a dime. How many times have any of those been on a high spot at wrestlemania? They didnt like he drew better than they did and so all sabotaged it.
@@FeedMeNuggies They'd have to BE wrestlers before they're "good ones"
Don't be suprised of this happens to the next guy they decide to bring in. Total BS.
I don't think it's jealousy..... It's how you operate when there is a "Human Resources" department...... Technically Punk invited anyone with a problem to visit him in the locker room. He threw the first punch. BUT, he may or may not have a lawsuit and has proven he'll take that road in the past. By claiming to Human Resources that they feel it's an "unsafe work environment" they are now protected from "retaliation" (I.E. firing) and ensure that if Punk goes after them again, he'll be fired, which would affect his potential lawsuit if he doesn't file first.
Blame H.R. they ruin everything they touch.
The future JCE with special guest CM Punk is going to be the greatest thing, ever.
"It doesn't serve me" -Tony Khan 2022
he really is one of the bookers of all time
seriously one of the worst answers ever, what on earth was he thinking?
If Punk goes....omega and bucks should go to. they are fucking EVPs..... no hypocrisy, no double standard. Either they all go or no one goes.
I agree. No problem w that. I like punk and not the elite but Cornette downplaying punks role in this
One day punk is gonna tell everyone his side of it, and I can't f'ing wait.
Didn't AEW use the same investigators that the WWE used when Vince's limo exploded?
We are still waiting the report on the bot investigation
Lmao
Nice how Meltzer went from no info to all the info. All of which is anti Punk
I feel genuinely bad for Danielson and Moxley at this point. Sting and Darby too. Hobbs. They'll get buried forever while the ship sinks around them. This will sink AEW. And they deserve it. Uncle Dave and the Elite started all this and Tony is too dumb or too balls deep in his toys to do anything else and he's going to lose a lot of money. Feels bad, man.
Fuck them they took the money
@PatrickBateman215 I'm not sure that Tony's dad keeps giving Tony a blank checkbook when he has to pay millions to Punk and the show's ratings tank. Punk was the only thing that dragged the ratings up to a competitive level. I don't think this is going to go well for AEW at all. All the goodwill that AEW had gained over the last year is gone now. Moreover, the only people that will keep watching are the outlaw mudshow fans that watched AEW for the Elite anyway, and WWE will drink their milkshake.
@PatrickBateman215 yeah but his father is a business man first and if he starts losing more money he will pull out of the investment.
Ricky Starks and Wardlow too
@@joelabadie5781 Exactly, the money can't fix the ratings or the terrible booking, particularly when big name wrestlers are far more likely to go back to WWE now under Triple H. Tony can't rely on those cheap pops anymore. The last name he got was Paige and a few weeks later absolutely no one cares
I hate the Hate on Punk. Just because one person ends up in the rebel role, doesn't mean that the rebel is wrong. Going against the grain is hard, especially when he knows what an overall professional atmosphere "suppose" to be like from previous experience. 1 against 100 never tells the entire story sometimes. Heck, just take this channel right here for example. People hate on Jims opinion in the masses sometimes... But Jim and Brian are rarely ever spitting the untruth in their objections. CM Punk is better than AEW in my opinion. They dont deserve him... And this is coming from a person who is not a definite CM Punk Fan🤷🏾
"Chris Jericho went to confront CM Punk and told him he is cancer to the locker room ”🤣🤣
apparently while judas was playing in the background
And with Hager behind him, looking around at God knows what.
@@sunshineholmes3487 with that dumb hat
I can’t wait for my drive home from work to listen to this
Nice, these are awesome for long drives home at night or just casually driving to pick up foòd
@@atimetraveler4910 you can pick it up in the restaurant in 5 minutes brother. Don't be a drive thru dunski
I literally just left my job at my restaurant and listened to this on the way home 🤣
@@adamirishconundrum851 im confused what the point of your comment was...do you have something against drive thrus
I feel you. I'm actually kicking myself for not holding off until Monday to listen to it at work. Makes the time fly by
Every time Jim Cornette calls Kenny Omega "twinkletoes", my day gets better
The thing is it can only go downhill for Punk working in a company where all of the EVP's hate him. WWE are also too incompetent to book him properly in a return, so he might as well take his money and go enjoy life. From a markish perspective he won the belt and left which is also pretty cool.
Tony booked puck very good he had him win the aew title twice
the only reason he came to AEW was cause he ran out of money
@@shavidrobinson1699 That's a nice bit of speculation. Dude is a millionaire, then got a big UFC payday ontop of that, not to mention his wife who is publishing books and involved in movies. Just talking straight out your ass.
@@RagingCookie127 it's just common sense what other reason would he have to go to AEW?
@@shavidrobinson1699 Because he used to like wrestling until WWE demotivated him and AEW was the first big alternative to WWE in a long time and they'd not only pay him big money but allow him to be creative.
I am SOOOO glad Jim and Brian are covering this because that bit about Punk not recognizing his "baby" being held by a stranger had me responding VERY similar to Jim! Its so annoying how easily people just believe these so called reports.
That had me doing one hell of a double take. Punk didn't recognize...the #2 in the company? And, okay, let's say he didn't recognize the #2 in the company holding his dog...doesn't that...uh...speak to their awful-no-matter-what judgment in choosing that (of all moments) to go talk to Punk anyway?
Brian is completely right on this. Tony's telling Omega and the Bucks to shut up for the safety of his company.
i agree. but i think a lot of it is they want to believe it cause they hate punk.
Jim and Brian are punk marks much like meltzer is a mark for the elite
@@bls8959 He isn't a Punk mark. He likes good wrestlers is all.
@@edwardknox9269 nah they always making excuses for him... punk's got his own lil dave meltzers in Jim and Brian
I just think it’s odd that nearly everyone in AEW who has spoken about Punk publicly had nothing but good things to say about him… except the Elite and their clique. 🤔
100% The younger talent gave heaps of interviews where they praised Punk for being a great teacher and good addition to the locker room.
and the people that talked favorably about punk you don't see them on TV much any more I wonder why?
Exactly! That’s what a lot of people seem to forget as they listen to a lot of Anti Punk narratives from the Dirt Sheets claiming how no one likes him.
@@unknownsample4801 Starks has gone missing.
They brought Megha to have as a friendly witness to corroborate their story. If the young bucks really wanted to document the altercation, they could’ve had their stooge friend film it and if it got violent for no reason because of punk, the camera would tell the tale. But they didn’t bring him or his camera that he always has documenting them.
Lmaaaaooo some of you go to extreme lengths just to gobble phil's nuts, they brought daniels and the head of legal, and they both were just there to make punk look bad? you are neurodivergent lol
I agree with this. They knew Megha thought they were already the friendly, misunderstood victimized party. They go into the locker room first knowing Punk would feel threatened/explode at them. This antagonizes the situation. Megha who is in a relationship with Kahn and doesn't understand why everyone can't just get along takes their side. This puts Kahn who is a wuss, in the middle and would make him unwilling to defend his business/Punk against his girlfriend and the Young Bucks who seem to be 'the wronged' parties.
Clever machination IMO too bad Kahn is a wimp.
From the beginning, it has completely and totally blown my mind that Tony’s longtime lawyer friend and supposed HEAD OF LEGAL FOR AEW was informed of The Bucks plan to go confront Punk in his locker room after a hugely emotionally charged scrum, while the guy is still riding high off of an adrenaline rush and also has been injured........ And didn’t straight up forbid them from doing it?!
Isn’t her job to limit legal liability from the company? How in the actual Hell did she think this was a good idea?!
@@seanbarton4940 They was also with Christopher Daniels who’s Head of Talent relations and actually cool with CM Punk so I highly doubt they went there looking for a fight if that was the case why bring them lol make it make sense
@@seanbarton4940 I’ve been asking this question from the very beginning. What kind of quack lawyer watches garbage unfold like this? What a hot mess this company is. And their t.v. is still garbage for all the drama.
Any time 7 people enter a private locker room uninvited , all to confront 1 man … why wouldn’t that 1 man feel threatened enough to throw a punch ? And for 3 EVPs to instigate this confrontation is entirely unprofessional and deserves deeper punishment than they received at the very least
There are so many on every social media platform just burying Punk and I don’t understand it. You may not like him as a talent, it may have been the wrong time and wrong place for Punk to take over the media scrum but that doesn’t justify what The Elite did not to mention them being EVP’s, management. Remember that it wasn’t just the 3 EVP’s but Christopher Daniels, Michael Nakazowa, and Brandon Cutler was there also. Whether they barged in or just angrily walked in, it’s still 6 guys walking in trying to confront one. Mega shouldn’t have been there or if she needs to be should have been the one to walk in first to mediate. The Elite are just pissed they ran in 6 deep and still got their asses kicked. These are the EVP’s of a company puffing their chests out at, let’s be honest, the biggest star in the company and the big money draw. Punk may not be innocent but The Elite, who are also the EVP’s of the company, should at the very least be relieved of the EVP duties if not all fired as well. Way to protect your business Tony.
In any other actual company out there the evp’s would have been fired. Megha being hr would have been fired Chris Daniels could possibly be fired and Brandon and naka would have been fired. Companies have protocols and proper steps to do to prevent situations like this from happening witch in turn prevents lawsuits. The fact these people have job titles and obviously no proper training for those jobs is costing them a ton of money.
It just doesn't match that Punk is supposed to be this selfish and evil guy but at the same time was so humble to wrestle with so many up and coming stars. If his ego was so big he wouldn't want to sell and make guys look as good as he did. For godsakes Darby gave him a whooping.
And that’s what probably upset the Cucamonga kids! The fact that Punk would rather be in the ring with legitimate new talent that needed the rub than the glorified insipid gymnasts must have irked them. Punk knew what he was doing and he was looking far into the future while the kiddos wanted the quick cash grab. It’s utterly ridiculous.
there you go using your brain again. don't do that meltzer has told you how to think- punk is bad and the elite are good. punk is a cancer. you are not suppose to use your brain.
Hogan went out of his way to make Kidman look good. Just because Punk supposedly put somebody over, it doesn't somehow negate the fact that he has an overblown ego.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 The fact is your talking sbout the guy like you know him. Everybody who's a performer has a fvcking ego
So basically the worst possible outcome from this is the outcome of this.
It's the best outcome in the long-run. Finally the veil has been pulled away in front of the world.
I love that this community is the only one that brings up the fact that the bucks started this all.
Yeah cuz Twitter would have you believing something completely different
It’s so annoying how much they downplay Hangman’s shoot. Only some of the fans knew what he was talking about but he still did that on national television.
It all comes down to Tony Khan not having a single clue about how to run a wrestling show/company 🤷
That Naked Gun reference was top 😂
As a mattress salesman, I can assure you, no customer wakes up, to me next to them. I ran out of chloroform.
It's pretty clear which side Tony Khan has sided with at this stage. Heck, you can see FTR already being beaten by an unworthy tag team for no good reason so you can feel the venomous influence of the Bucks/Omega returning. That said, I really believe Tony Khan has made a fatal mistake. Whether CM Punk is a real cancer to the locker room or not, he did produce business in a significant manner for AEW and a lot of the potential stars he would help groom for AEW's future are probably going to be held down unless they can do the injury prone style of the EVPs.
As for Jericho, I feel he's a two faced type and that he was waiting for his moment to speak up. Now, that Punk is on his way out, he can pretend that he's on the AEW's locker room side to make himself look good once the EVPs return. If Punk had stayed, having Punk vs Jericho at some point would've been a big deal, even if neither are at the same level as when they encountered each other in the WWE. And Jericho is smart enough to recognize money but I think he's all about survival and he doesn't really care about AEW's actual health as long as he's making money and having control. And Last nailed it with Danielson and Moxley just wanting to be the equivalent of individual contributors in companies although I think Tony wants to lean more on them. But to them they don't care as long as they're doing what they want to do.
As far as Tony Khan is concerned, he's shot himself with a bazooka right in the foot with his choice here. I think unless someone gets released by the WWE because of being awful, you won't see anymore ex-NXT stars migrating to AEW. HHH will put a stop to that for certain. But the way a lot of the ex-WWE people are being used to be jobbed out to the indy friends shows that anyone who got let go will end up being beaten to powder (to steal from Corny) in AEW. So that in itself will cause them to just wait around until HHH does a call back. Even if you end up not really being used as much in the WWE, you will be working for the top company in the world so that's better than a company that is on a decline.
I have a bad (or good depending on your point of view) feeling that once a lot of current ex-WWE/current AEW talents' contracts come up, unless they're in a top position like Danielson or Moxley, they'll be returning really fast to the WWE. Even if they were unprofessional in how they handled themselves (e.g. Andrade), they'll be treated like a hero and probably do some shoot interview on AEW once they return. Furthermore, once Tony loses all his main action figures he bought at TRU from the WWE rack, he's going to be left with just the indy guys he let go through quiet expiration like Jelly, Stunt, etc and that's who we will see once more since those people are too stupid and enjoy hurting themselves.
Yeah, this pretty much is the beginning of the end of AEW unless Tony hires a proper booker and talent relations team, revokes the EVPs' titles and takes himself out of the day-to-day operations. I don't see much of a bright future for this company and predict that it'll end in 3 years with either Tony Khan getting burnt out or the TV networks kicking them off because ratings are falling too fast or that a bad incident whether it's an injury or perhaps death is shown and they have to deal with the bad publicity.
felt sad for FTR on dynamite. Not because they lost to swerve but they were so over and should have been tag champs when they had all the momentum. Acclaimed could have been next in line and it would have made sense.
100% Correct with Mox and Bryan they also haven’t said anything bad about Punk after the incident. I might add MJF as well.
Clowns like Eddie Kingston , Young Buck, Jericho , Kenny, Adam Page. All have issue with Cm Punk when they ain’t no better than themselves.
I also notice Wardlow haven’t been on the main show since Punk incident backstage and like you said FTR, Hobbs and Ricky Starks all haven’t been on the main show for a month or longer and when they do they lose.
I’m still mad Bryan left when he had no business leaving
Jericho is a giant hypocrite. During that big 'don't leak shit' meeting, he was one of the guys telling the locker-room to stop leaking shit and yet continued to leak shit to suit his own agenda.
@@xaviertobias7942 wow I forgot he did said that now everyone is leaking shit about punk
@@xaviertobias7942 jericho is just another wrestling politician
Everything Punk said was FACTS on top of FACTS on top of FACTS! No matter how you feel about him, he's never lied about these situations. I mean, let's be real, The Young Bucks.and Omega have NEVER drawn money. IN FACT, they are the CAUSE of lost revenue, seeing as how people tune out whenever they show up on TV, cause they do the same shit everytime.
i would have to rename the young bucks the bridge burners because they have burned bridges with NJPW, TNA and ROH
@@ektran4205 speak on it!
Punk should sue the evp's directly
Police - Why did you attack him?
Elite - He called us out.
Police - Are you over 17?
Elite - Yes.
Police - Your under arrest for assault.
That's how that works in the streets.
Ok tough guy. I bet your pussy smells like vegetable oil.
Sean Ross Sapp and Dave Meltzer are the two biggest stooges for the non-CM Punk camp. Sapp is a weasel.
This entire situation has amply illustrated that AEW is, and always will be, a private club for a certain type of indie darlings. I'll still watch if and when they have something interesting to me. but by and large, my hopes for the promotion are done now.
Jim and Brian's analyses of the post-Brawl Out cover up was pretty much what I had thought it was. The AEW henhouse was raided, and the company all but hired the foxes responsible for the crime to conduct the investigation into it.
I was a loyal All Elite Wrestling fan, never missing a live show or a pay-per-view, but their biased handling of the backstage brawl by blaming the entire matter on CM Punk, after what Hangnail and the Hardly Boys did to him, and all but banishing him from the company is a disgrace. I'm done with the Cucamonga Kids, Chris Geriatric, and their collective clown show. AEW can go on without my patronage.
It is mostly Punk's fault. He didn't need to say what he said in the media scrum and the Head of Legal witnessed the fight.
@@RichieP68 exactly, it seems like people are missing that point. I know people are going to be biased, but damn. Lol. I am speaking as being a CM punk fan.
@@4cuttime no you’re missing the point. These folks spread a rumor he got his old friend fired from AEW and certain reporters in their pocket. It was only a matter of time before he spoke out. So he did, they chose to storm into his locker room after, which is irresponsible to do as EVP’s. The Elite are to blame.
I can't wait to hear Brian's thoughts on Jericho's comments
He briefly gave it in this vid. Pot meet kettle.😂
Can't wait for 2022/23 version of the CM-Punk tell-all guest appearance on a podcast
I think he should just write a book at this point and stay away from podcasts.
I'd like to one day hear JR's honest thoughts about everything AEW, from when he signed for them and up to whenever it ends for him there.
Problem being is that he has never struck me as the type to ever go hard at any former employer, no matter whether they've deserved it or not. I mean hell he got humiliated how many times in the 2nd half of his WWE run but still he's always been diplomatic discussing them.
Doubt he wants to go through a long trial again
Broken skull sessions
He's a turkey now lol.
Never forget the Cucamonga Kids refused to drop the belts for FTR cause they're a better and more over tag team