Grandpa's Swayback Bench Stone Restoration
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- In this video we take a pretty chowdered up sharpening stone and bring it back to new condition. Along the way we make a new tray for it as well. Along the way we try to to annoy Bozo the evil clown.
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Man, I love your sense of humour...When the protective film with your guiding marks lifted and you started laughing I couldn't help but laugh along ."well played Mr. Bozo".
Mr. Bozo and AvE's safety goat should get together for a collaboration and break the internet.
Mate and make a Gozo
...or a conjugal visit.
I use diamond. They are expensive, for the good ones. The ones I prefer have diamond bonded to a thick (1/4” to 3/8”) ground, hardened and tempered steel block. If you use them properly, they last forever, and flatten out that ground stock from Starrett that’s supposed to be precision flat, but is wavy, which you can see with a light run over with a flat stone.
No, I'm afraid a stone has to have a wooden box otherwise it loses its character..
And it's grip on the table top.Keep the wood box as a lid, or a base.
Not to mention all that machining and effort with that plastic lump. Someone should tell him it’s actually possible to glue two pieces of wood together.
Keep the box flip over the stone done. After all that shaving the stone no longer fit snugly in the wooden box. He just wanted to have something to swap not to keep.
People wouldn't use wood if it didn't grow on trees
you're on a machinists channel. We don't much care for wood in a shop
Nice piece of boxwood, or cherry... Probably cheaper than acrylic and much nicer!
I have a diamond coated steel "sharpening stone" it works wonders too truing up all my other stones.
Gluing it to a nice flat rigid surface gives me excellent results.
When I'm done I can rub my stones together like Robin's precision flat stones!
I'm sure they're not as accurate as his but the effect is there and I love it.
Let's straighten this old stone, m'kay? Now it's too nice for this old wooden box, let's get rid of it and make a new one, m'kay? Now this old stone is way too gritty for this nice box, so let's get rid of that and buy a new stone, m'kay?
And now look boys and girls, this is how easy it to restore old worn out stone to be as good as new with just a bit of a elbow grease! M'kay?
I love the machinist press fit on the stone in the box the best. Never give too much clearance! lol
Loved using the bearing on the router bit as an edge-finder. I would keep the stone in the wooden box. When you need to use it, use the HDPE box mounted to a work-surface. Fix the crack with some Resorcenol and always keep the stone in it. It WILL sharpen better, because it knows you love and respect it... Things and Machines have some degree of consciousness too...
Have you seen the product description on that diamond flattening stone on Amazon recently?
"This flattening stone was recommended by a RUclips creator Oxtoolco (Tom Lipton) in the RUclips machinist community."
I was just looking at it, and it apparently is no longer the same product at all. it is a plastic piece with two tin metal plattes attached
@@nathanshaffer3749 that’s what this.
@@nathanshaffer3749 I don't think Tom used the flattening plate before he recommended it. Unfortunate recommendation for sure.
If you close the vise and lock the quill at a fixed height, you can run the part against the bearing and just cut the chamfers by hand, like a router table with a floating bit.
I'll add my voice to the chorus. 1) Wood glue is stronger than the wood, just clamp it very tight while it dries. 2) If you don't like the finish, sand the wood down and restain and varnish or paint it. 3) You could paint or decorate your plastic base so it isn't just pure white. Even childrens' stick figure drawings could make it special.
An easy way to get the stone close is to grind it on the sidewalk for a while to start and then do the final flattening on a surface plate and some sandpaper
The moment when the plastic film broke loose, it made me spill my coffee all over the keyboard LOL
Understandable. No need to go full Renzetti on a stone holder. Starboard looks good. Never heard of that material.Thanks, Tom!
Hi Tom Very workmanlike job of giving that old oil stone a new life. Rather than waste away unloved in a shop somewhere it will , hopefully, be productive once again. Plus really enjoyed how much you were able to aggravate Mr Bozo with success. regards vic
I use the shaper with a single diamond point you use for dressing your grinding wheel, works great...
I could see adding some rubber feet to that box- Starboard/ HDPE is notoriously slippery, and it's super frustrating to have a stone moving around while you try to use it.
I found that using an large (used) garden tile with a sharp grit top layer was very effective at getting an old stone close to flat. Then you only use the expensive flattening stone for the final finish.
Agreed. Good tips for the stone but all my stones have original shop patina cradles. I prefer that vintage look over a piece of white (🤔) plastic.
Have a day, dood.
I've used concrete cinder block to flatten some old stones, and yep finish off with the expensive stuff after...
If only sharpening stones came in plastic holders like that one.
I think you're supposed to impregnate the SC flattening stone with honing oil or mineral oil first. It might cut down a bit on the speed it wears out.
I have a couple of the diamond flattening stones and they work really well too and very quickly.
I tried flattening a stone I got from my grandfather recently, using a silicone carbide stone exactly like yours, but wasn't very successful. I think that the stone must be harder than the one you have. I think that I will try the diamond stone that you found on Amazon.
I tried out the amazon diamond flattening stone lapping plate on a Indian Mountain whetstone (Arkansas abrasives) and just one 2" x 4" stone removed most of the diamond coating from the 120 grit side.
This inspires me to keep my eyes open on Thursday. I'm headed up to my favorite flea market to poke around a bit. I always find something there.
I so very much enjoy Mr. Bozo's irreverent and mirthful personality.
And with that, may I once again raise a toast to Mirthful Irreverence Everywhere.
[ Cultivate A Sense Of Wholesome Emotional Hygiene ]
As a carpenter type, I had to chuckle. If i didn't have a block plane to quickly bevel the edges, i would have just used a carpenter's utility knife and then smooth off the edging with a bit of sand paper. But then, too, we all get tunnel vision anchored to our respective skill-set training.
I have one of those flattening stones.
Works great.
I use it for water stones.
Great restore!
I love his work buy why would you buy an antique stone then throw away the antique box? like if you are going to make a new box for it just buy a new stone?
Once I got to the part where he threw the box away I immediately stopped the video and hit dislike. I thought this was a restoration video.
He said the stone was only a couple of bucks. No one said this was a antique restoration video. I say good job.
Agreed. I'm not even so sure there is much value to reflattening it. I clean old stones with the wire wheel just to clean them up so they cut well and aren't all clogged up.
I made a bottom for three stones out of a hunk of arborvitae I took down and it worked out wonderfully because it shrank to fit them all.
Because the goal is to get a usable tool. He took a stone that was unusable, in an unusable box, and fixed both problems!
@@kevinvermeer9011 To be usable it doesn't need to be flat, it needs to have open pores so the cutting edges are exposed. That's all.
And what was wrong with the box beyond showing some age? Nothing a little glue couldn't fix. What's the point in making it look pristine beyond doing a YT video?
I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but with all the dust that is being produced, I would suggest a respirator mask.
out in far left field. did you actually throw the dust away from the green tray.. or did you bottle it for later to use as a super course abrasive for aggressive lapping or for use with one of the self contained spot sand blaster rigs..
Don't go full nut case, but now it needs a lid. HAHA!
Agree, the stone must be kept clean.
So sand the old box, varnish it, and use that for the lid.
And some rubber on the bottom so it doesn't slide around on a table.
@@duobob of course HAHAHA!
“I’m not stupid, I’m panicking.”
My lifes motto.
You should have used wood instead of plastic.
I second that. Restored wood would look much better.
When I die I want to be burried in a wooden casket, not one made of Starboard. That old grandpa's stone deserved better.😉
You are the Mr. Bozo that he makes fun of.
Tyler Garza, is that supposed to hurt my feelings lol?
@@markschiavone8003 Just letting you know, you're the jackass here. No matter how much you think otherwise.
Mr Bozo also would try to restaurate the wood holder .
Not that i had any todo with that suggestion..lol
Well done , it comes down to taste, i´m very into old and stuff.
The wood had a whole life to tell .
Some wood filling mixed in the wood adhesive to film up gaps strongly clamped .
But saw i your toolroom tour ...you have plenty of them too 😯😁..omg.
Great work nonentheless , big thumbdup and greets from the Netherlands
Johny Geerts
O damn Mr. Bozo grew a voice now!
not crazy about the starboard, but it is cool you can cut with a two flute end mill with the rapid button pushed!
Without that wooden holder it's just not grandpa's stone anymore. Why not rebuild the original ?
It's like grandpa's hammer, you know, Tom replaced the box, the next guy will replace the stone, but it'll still be grandpa's stone.
It wasnt grampas stone . Back in the day every hardware store had a sharpening stone stone on the nail counter . The ole timers sharpened their pocket knife while they talked with everyone that came in . Hence the divot in the center .
I did a video a while ago where I had my grandpa's stone in about the same shape and I hit it in the mill with a concrete grinding cup wheel with great results now I will get the flattening diamond plate you pointed out to finish the job so thanks for the heads up on that Tom.
I recently ran across the DMT Dia-Sharp stones. They claim "The diamond surface is ground to be flat, and it will stay flat. ", but don't specify how flat. I sent a message asking for their specification, but never received a response. They claim their lapping plates are good to .0005", but they are substantially more expensive. I was kind of curious to see whether they might be somewhere between a regular stone and a precision ground stone for knocking off burrs.
If you do any ID/OD grinding or know someone who does, the backside of worn out wheels make some excellent (free) benchstone flatteners. I've hoarded a lifetime supply from the company dumpster but I still can't resist taking them.
I've got one of those that did belong to my father, and grandfather, and great-grandfather before him. And it looks just like that one, except that I still have the top for the case.
Rather than add more plastic waste (the chips) to the environment, I think you should have repaired the original. Very cool all the same.
With so much effort put into restoring an old stone, I was surprised the original case was not restored as well.
i have my great grandpas stone if i did this to it i would only have a 1/4 in stone left when i finished
I'm glad Mr Bozo visits you as well as me lol
Any idea when the lid video will be online?
I would save all the dust for coarse lapping compound...I do that with my soft grinding wheel...works great.
Holio shit Tom, cant wait to see the build videos. Kindest regards. Joe.
I see you have the ez-lap diamond lap, I think you should do a shoot out about how handy they are to have around the shop.
What are they handy for? Deburring or actual lapping?
Very glad to see you posting videos again Mr. Lipton.
Tom, I get it! All of it !!! Thanks so much for the chuckle, Cliff
Now, if you'd spent half the time and effort cleaning up that wooden box.....
Just sayin'
There is enough 'fantastic plastic' in the world!
Paddy
That silicon carbide dust scares me...
I'm surprised you started over instead of just centering on the work and working to the dimensions of the stone.
The stone only needs to be flat, it's almost certainly neither parallel nor square.
We thank you for showing this.
Lance & Patrick.
You should drill a finger sized hole through the bottom so you can poke the stone back out easier.
Yes, "I will get off the horse, I promise!" :-D
This is a nice little project. Simple can be good.
It is most interesting that in my life I've not worn a stone to the degree which frequently appears on the you tube videos, however all my knives, blades, and cutters of every type have sharp edges to a one perhaps the technique of not using one spot has worked, as all manufacturer's suggest the purchaser adhere to this method.
As my Uncle Herman used to say: "We ain't building no fxxxxxg church!"
you got Mr. Bozo now it time for Mr. Perfect
I use a decent quality coarse diamond stone. It's fast and I've never worn one out. You never need to dress it. Look for a DMT full size bench stone and you can dispense with the Norton forever.
I'm a bit surprised you did that dry.
Paul Ste. Marie That’s what she said.
Just out of curiosity, why not just use a diamond wheel on the surface grinder to do it! Lots faster, less effort, as parallel as your grinder.
I should say, you could use a diamond wheel to get the stone flat fast and easy. Ask me how I know.
I saw where it was gonna go wrong, and I started laughing.. Then you went "waaah"..... I broke up. I was thinking the same thing.... Maybe a bit different setup.... I'll be on the lookout for that on my next rounding / chamfer job... You are a hoot.
PS> I got one of those flattening deals, hope you get a penny or two from the purchase.
People are so miffed with the use of starboard. The wood “had a story to tell?” Yeah, a story of abuse and neglect.
I love the "other reason"!
If every person would have this "terrible disease" what you have Mr Lipton we would have a much better world! :) Thank you for the video Have a nice day!
you could use the ugly wood part as a lid
Holy crap the amount of people that shit the bed about ‘muh wooden box’
What to do ? Thumbs up cause i like your video, or thumbs down cause i don't like what you did in it.
With a little glue you could have kept the wood container. It has character, history and is almost immune to dirt.
Instead you now have a cheesy modern container that you would have passed right over at the antique store.
Rescue that old box and throw the gaudy one away.
Only modern stones are packaged for sale in plastic lidded cradles.
Ummmm 🤔
He did make a white plastic cradle
Give my regards to Mr. Bozo . Always showing up after the problem.
Saludos, for mr bozo. Fun guy to work with
I for one, am loving mr bozo!
Would a block plane have created a chamfer with less fiddling?
very nice work, thanks for the video
A little epoxy and a clamp would have taken care of that great old tray nicely. What do you think happens to all the plastic chaf you make?
That old wooden box was likely full of oil from a lifetime of using the stone, there's no way that even an epoxy would bomd to that.
@@kevinvermeer9011 That has not been my experience and I believe this is a water stone not an oil stone though most folks don't know the difference.
Excellent job. That box was unusable, and oil soaked wood is not glueable. It was far from an antique anyway.
It's certainly vintage, at least. No one is mining them rocks today.
@@1pcfred I can't really tell, but it looks like it may be an Arkansas Stone. They actually are being mined every day.
@@mwechtal It looks like a washita. I have Arkansas stones. They're darker.
@@1pcfred well, a Washita is just the softest grade of Arkansas stone. The colors vary widely, so you really can't tell grade from color. I'm a rockhound, so this stuff is actually interesting to me.
@@mwechtal I sharpen tools so sharpening stones interest me. What Tom has looks like a Woodworkers Delight Washita stone to me. www.ebay.com/itm/Woodworkers-Delight-Washita-Sharpening-Stone-Vintage-8-Arkansas-Oilstone-/163651009513
I don’t think that Norton stone took a single particulate off that lol you confirmed it to the old one
Have to ask you... Why ? a stone like that I would use for something like it was used for in the first place (sharpening small knives by the look of it). New stones don’t cost much. Why throw away the box... I hate that lump of plastic.
How stable is starboard? I tried a similar project with HDPE and it warps terribly after cutting.
I hadn't thought about stability, though I had been wondering how it held up to oil. I wonder if it degrades, swells, or lets oil seep through?
WOW Tom that looked trick
Water stones aren't just for wood chucks
Tom, while your restoration of Grandpa's old beater stone turned out well, you ruined the more expensive flattening stone in the process. LOL!! Your white (sterile looking) plastic box fits better and is certainly more utilitarian, the old stone truly does belong in an old wooden box. IMHO a restoration of that would have been in order. Just saying......
Looks like a coffin, and just the right size for Mr. Bozo.
King Plastics Starboard made two blocks down the street in North Port FL.
"...I'm gonna get off the horse...I promise..."
5 seconds later...
"I changed my mind..."
Hahahahaha!
Would it be more effective to do the flattening with water running?
I have seen some of the other channels using their surface grinders to make "precision ground" stones. So this made me wonder why a precision craftsman who measures the thickness of a sharpie mark would do it by hand. 😁😊😉 By the way mr Bozo is subscribed to my channel.
I bought a cheap dressing stone and fixed all of mine. It doesn't take that long to bowl them. You can get a decent dressing stone for about $5.
Congratulations! You took a wooden box made by a Craftsman from old growth Lumber that you could have repaired and reconditioned and tossed it away for a plastic box that you made, and I watched you do it.
WILL THAT WORK ON GREAT GRANDFATHERS RAZOR STONE , 1/4 " SWAY BACK ??
Wish the big box stores in my area would carry this Star Board product. Being right on Puget Sound here in Washington you'd think it would be readily available.
@17:00 How well does Shasta Club work as a coolant?
Excellent use of Nimrod.
You can consider your self an Archeologist.
Well...The stone resto went over great with the masses...The box not so much huh? Ha, be trying that router bit set on a hunk on tree carcass soon? ;-) Cheers.. :)
Thought for a moment that you had a washita stone like a lily white...
"Don't worry.. I'm not stupid I'm panicking." lol
If you're not panicing, you don't fully understand the situation...
I thought that was really funny, but I guess others didn't.
@@iteerrex8166 - you got it right, some people just have their own sense of humor.
Mr. Bozo is in the eyes of almost everyone he meets.
Is it just my imagination, or does Mr Bozo look like an accurate caricature of Abom?
maybe 6 months ago abom. Hes all skinny now.
Tom, Can you please make some video on how to diamond-ground/diamond-lapped toolroom flat stones