I think everyone should know about his very fast rotation which goes like this: Build to sp2 while gaining shocks, throw sp2 without charging heavy (This saves between 5 to 10 seconds depending on AI), then finally throw sp1 to get a big burst. This rotation allows a r3 7* BRB to take down 300k health pools in 35-40 seconds which in amazing for bgs. Could be higher depending on shock rng. 300k was consistently going down in under 40 seconds
@@Rob-b2q8p If you need the grit passive for unstoppable you can use it. And in fights where buff count matters you can go for the heavy charge to get the buff pause. But yeah if you want to save some time and build more shocks do not go for the buff pause, regular heavy is fine though
Just so you know, you say in the Mole Man fight that charging your heavy before throwing your sp3 is pointless, but it actually does make a difference, the intensifies affect the potency of your Resonance buff. I remember people weren't sure how this would work before his release but at least right now they do make a difference, I just tested it in game. Great video as always!
I didn’t think it actually affected it - I tested it again vs Necropolis Nimrod (just uploaded it) and it did in fact boost the damage significantly. Thanks!!
ive been holding the resources to r3 venom for so long (even got his relic at like r3 sig40) but bill is super tempting. my 7 star cosmic roster is supremely lacking with only 2 r2s (gorr and bill) while every other class sits at 5+ r2s and 3s.great vid. i needed to learn some of his long form rotation
@@BMcG venom is my white whale XD. Im even considering like r3ing bill and exploring necro just to select him. need to stockpile units first and be free enof to explore
@@BMcG Ive only cleared once like ages ago when necro came out but i am rly thinking about it. gotta scout out paths and all. do you think bill would be a main fighter for those paths that the nim and red goblin are on? or what would be the ideal pairing for those paths if u know off the top of your head?
Thorse!! I really enjoy your long in-depth showcase videos you do! I’m one of the few entire video watchers and I love watching extended showcases! Keep on pumping out these A++ videos!!👍🏻👍🏻😁😁
I still have much to learn with playing Beta Ray Bill and I can’t wait to get really good and confident with him. Another awesome champion showcase video from you bro, I really like this new approach you’re trying out with showcases, keep up the awesome work my dude :)
hell, even my 6r3 is hitting as hard but taking more time for ramp also i heard that burst is additive (shocks detonate at 200% or smth potency during sps with buff pause, + 40% at max sig = 240% )
Bill can actually access the vigor buff, check it when you activate sp1 with the buff pause active; it will show the vigor passive. For longer fights this damage increase is definitely noticeable, since it includes all damage (which includes the direct damage I believe).
@@Cozm0210 yeah, the Vigor passive is a third of the potency of the Vigor buff, that’s why I specifically called out the Buff, as the buff is way more potent and helps other champs out way more. Bill needs to least help in the damage department.
@@Cozm0210 no problem! Also, Odin and Angela can gain the Intensify from the relic, which REALLY boosts their damage. Angela turns into a BGs nuke with the 6* version of this relic from my testing… I have it on Vox currently though, which guarantees that a SP1 into a SP2 can pretty much clear 500k healthpools with proper degen management.
Thorse Also when you said we don't want to hear your remarks on balancing. I would like to hear your thoughts on the L dropped by the balance team for Serpent.
@@Mysterio1021 So… it’s kind of a mixed bag for me. I do think Serpent is overtuned. But, I think that’s exactly what the devs wanted. For a while, the Mystic class was in a weird spot to where it seems to be hard for them to make meaningful Mystic Attackers, because all of our older ones are so strong. Doom, Tigra, BWCV, for example. Having this goalpost Defender, Serpent, be a design pillar for the designers to have something to create counters for will help the game with its longevity. Maestro and Serpent give the designers enough design space to make some really meaningful Mystic Champions that add new value to your roster, which will accompany the existing power in your roster already. The only place you *have* to fight Serpent right now is in Alliance War. You can’t really prevent your opponent from placing him. In BGs, you can just ban him, which is what I normally do. He also isn’t in Monthly EQ or Story content. So his overall impact on your day-to-day playing can be limited if you choose to ban him in BGs… if you don’t… well? You’ll just have to deal with him. Overall, I get why people are upset, but there are ways to mitigate his impact on your daily MCOC play sessions. I think in a year from now, things will start to feel a bit better with him and we’ll have some cool new counters, and maybe some buffed ones. If I’m wrong hopefully they take a look at him again. (If you disagree with what I’m saying, please don’t be disrespectful, that’s all I ask if you read and respond)
@BMcG I agree with a lot of your points. But I will say hold your horses (get it, horse? Beta ray, ok sorry for that) because with how strong of a defender he is I am pretty sure we will start seeing him in story content (not 9.1 since that's already done) and other mainstay quests because of just how good he is as a defender and while I'm completely fine with taking down an AW or BG sized serpent health pool, a 1million hp Serpent sounds like nightmare fuel. That being said, to your point because of how good serpent is, Kabam has the opportunity to make new mystic champs that can counter him, I mean we never had a hard counter to fantman until BRB came out and Negasonic completely shuts down Bullseye and Attuma. It's only a matter of time. Honestly, I'm in a minority where I'm fine with his death immunity buff. It's like kindred's outbreak at 5% because you need to hold on to your relic and also a special at high sigs to make sure he doesn't pop sp3 which I think is fine. My problem is personally that pierce+fury combo he has on top undexable specials. It's just too much unavoidable chip damage, bullseye is also infamous for this but at least a bleed immune champ mitigates it, serpent just chunks you off in longer fights. That would of been my only change really, remove either the pierce or fury (my vote would be pierce personally) Anyways enjoyed the thorse video mate , all the best
This is copied from another reply on this video. These are my thoughts. “So… it’s kind of a mixed bag for me. I do think Serpent is overtuned. But, I think that’s exactly what the devs wanted. For a while, the Mystic class was in a weird spot to where it seems to be hard for them to make meaningful Mystic Attackers, because all of our older ones are so strong. Doom, Tigra, BWCV, for example. Having this goalpost Defender, Serpent, be a design pillar for the designers to have something to create counters for will help the game with its longevity. Maestro and Serpent give the designers enough design space to make some really meaningful Mystic Champions that add new value to your roster, which will accompany the existing power in your roster already. The only place you *have* to fight Serpent right now is in Alliance War. You can’t really prevent your opponent from placing him. In BGs, you can just ban him, which is what I normally do. He also isn’t in Monthly EQ or Story content. So his overall impact on your day-to-day playing can be limited if you choose to ban him in BGs… if you don’t… well? You’ll just have to deal with him. Overall, I get why people are upset, but there are ways to mitigate his impact on your daily MCOC play sessions. I think in a year from now, things will start to feel a bit better with him and we’ll have some cool new counters, and maybe some buffed ones. If I’m wrong hopefully they take a look at him again. (If you disagree with what I’m saying, please don’t be disrespectful, that’s all I ask if you read and respond)”
Is Beta Ray choice of him, Venom (duped), shocker, guardian to r2 7? Will be my first r2 7* and im thinking Beta Ray or Venom and appreciate advice. Thanks :)
My problem with him is making the sp2 while I am charging the heavy. I don't understand if it's me making wrong something or if it's the IA or the mechanic itself. I can't achieve the horse buffs, the orange ones. I understand timing is all, but do I have really power on that or I depend from server lags and other funny things? Sometimes works. Most of times does not. It's very annoying. It happens that I'm forgetting him every time I could use him. I understand the value of the character, but I feel I can't rely on him. Anyone else?
My first question would be; what star and rank is your venom relic? Is it duped? My second question would be; who do you enjoy playing most? If you have a 5/6* duped venom relic that’s decent rank then I’d probably go venom, unless you like playing bill significantly more. But if you don’t have a decent venom relic then bill is the best option imo (assuming you have at least a 3* Thor relic for him, that’s all he needs for the 25% buff potency)
Largely agree here. Hyperion is fine at R2. He punches up super well. Same with Beta Ray Bill honestly. Venom benefits the most from the extra rank, but I’d only rank if you have the Venom Relic, like MCOC Hazza mentioned.
Does no one else think his damage feels too cheap? I feel like his burst damage is far too easily achieved for how it's obtained, the detonate window on the SP1 is far too large imo.
I really like Beta-ray Bill, best offensive Champion released this year by far. I only have two nit picks with him: 1.) I wish he was immune to Power Burn not just Power Drain, it just seems weird that he's only immune to Power Drain. Being Immune to Power Burn as well would open the door to so many other match-ups and AW Nodes. 2.) Sometimes when your charging your heavy attack the Opponent just runs back and fourth across the screen like a lost child in a grocery store when though they are infuriated. 🤣
Yea I'm not really a fan. The way I see it you need to be very good with light intercepts so you don't use your med and cause the shocks to expire before your L1. He would've massively better if his L1 just detonated the shocks, but that's way too much common sense for kabam.
You can parry and start with a light attack. His light reach also is good. In war and battlegrounds, you don’t need to prioritize doing light attacks too. You actually wanna do Medium starting combos so your fight ends faster. He’s not that complicated to use if you practice and learn the timing.
@@BMcG yea I'm aware of all that. I practiced with him a lot trying to basically force myself to like him bc the damage can be very good. It all comes down to preference and play style though ya know.. right now I'm just crushin on Chee'ilth. She's freakin dope. Just took her to r3 after getting the dupe from that token thing. She basically gets guaranteed crits when they're bleed immune. It's not as good as the bleeds, but it's a nice back up plan.
@@BMcG As I understand it (based on DLL’s video covering BRB) the 40% increase from the sig ability stacks on top of the 200% increase he already gets during his SP1 (240% increase to burst damage in total). So, there’s definitely a benefit, but assuming your shocks expire during the SP1 it only equates to about a 10-15% increase in overall damage output (at max sig)
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I think everyone should know about his very fast rotation which goes like this: Build to sp2 while gaining shocks, throw sp2 without charging heavy (This saves between 5 to 10 seconds depending on AI), then finally throw sp1 to get a big burst. This rotation allows a r3 7* BRB to take down 300k health pools in 35-40 seconds which in amazing for bgs. Could be higher depending on shock rng. 300k was consistently going down in under 40 seconds
@@yeet6998 thx a lot) really good advice!
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So basically just don’t use the heavy?
@@Rob-b2q8p If you need the grit passive for unstoppable you can use it. And in fights where buff count matters you can go for the heavy charge to get the buff pause. But yeah if you want to save some time and build more shocks do not go for the buff pause, regular heavy is fine though
Just so you know, you say in the Mole Man fight that charging your heavy before throwing your sp3 is pointless, but it actually does make a difference, the intensifies affect the potency of your Resonance buff. I remember people weren't sure how this would work before his release but at least right now they do make a difference, I just tested it in game. Great video as always!
I didn’t think it actually affected it - I tested it again vs Necropolis Nimrod (just uploaded it) and it did in fact boost the damage significantly. Thanks!!
ive been holding the resources to r3 venom for so long (even got his relic at like r3 sig40) but bill is super tempting. my 7 star cosmic roster is supremely lacking with only 2 r2s (gorr and bill) while every other class sits at 5+ r2s and 3s.great vid. i needed to learn some of his long form rotation
You can’t go wrong with either champion, in my opinion
@@BMcG venom is my white whale XD. Im even considering like r3ing bill and exploring necro just to select him. need to stockpile units first and be free enof to explore
@@krispywontons7135 that honestly isn’t a bad move…. Exploring Necro would guarantee that you get Venom and R3 him
@@BMcG Ive only cleared once like ages ago when necro came out but i am rly thinking about it. gotta scout out paths and all. do you think bill would be a main fighter for those paths that the nim and red goblin are on? or what would be the ideal pairing for those paths if u know off the top of your head?
Venom The Truck 🗣❗️
Thorse!!
I really enjoy your long in-depth showcase videos you do! I’m one of the few entire video watchers and I love watching extended showcases! Keep on pumping out these A++ videos!!👍🏻👍🏻😁😁
I still have much to learn with playing Beta Ray Bill and I can’t wait to get really good and confident with him. Another awesome champion showcase video from you bro, I really like this new approach you’re trying out with showcases, keep up the awesome work my dude :)
hell, even my 6r3 is hitting as hard but taking more time for ramp
also i heard that burst is additive (shocks detonate at 200% or smth potency during sps with buff pause, + 40% at max sig = 240% )
Bill can actually access the vigor buff, check it when you activate sp1 with the buff pause active; it will show the vigor passive. For longer fights this damage increase is definitely noticeable, since it includes all damage (which includes the direct damage I believe).
@@Cozm0210 yeah, the Vigor passive is a third of the potency of the Vigor buff, that’s why I specifically called out the Buff, as the buff is way more potent and helps other champs out way more. Bill needs to least help in the damage department.
@@BMcG fair enough didn’t consider that, thanks!
@@Cozm0210 no problem! Also, Odin and Angela can gain the Intensify from the relic, which REALLY boosts their damage. Angela turns into a BGs nuke with the 6* version of this relic from my testing… I have it on Vox currently though, which guarantees that a SP1 into a SP2 can pretty much clear 500k healthpools with proper degen management.
This was my valiant r3 rankup! Absolutely no regrets, he destroys almost everything
I think the awakened ability is slept on. If I am understanding it correctly it can be used to bait specials at max sig
Saw this video in my recommended and decided to check it out cause I also have a r3 bill and subscribed cause it was an awesome showcase
@@joshmartin9442 I appreciate that a lot! Thanks for subscribing and commenting!
My 3rd rank 3 7*
He is really good in my opinion as well
Nice showcase btw, really good to see how others play him and things I don't know about 👍👍😁
Love the guy looking forward to some new content for him. 9.1 or long form. Haven’t had much success in BG with him
Thorse
Also when you said we don't want to hear your remarks on balancing. I would like to hear your thoughts on the L dropped by the balance team for Serpent.
@@Mysterio1021 So… it’s kind of a mixed bag for me.
I do think Serpent is overtuned. But, I think that’s exactly what the devs wanted.
For a while, the Mystic class was in a weird spot to where it seems to be hard for them to make meaningful Mystic Attackers, because all of our older ones are so strong. Doom, Tigra, BWCV, for example. Having this goalpost Defender, Serpent, be a design pillar for the designers to have something to create counters for will help the game with its longevity. Maestro and Serpent give the designers enough design space to make some really meaningful Mystic Champions that add new value to your roster, which will accompany the existing power in your roster already.
The only place you *have* to fight Serpent right now is in Alliance War. You can’t really prevent your opponent from placing him. In BGs, you can just ban him, which is what I normally do. He also isn’t in Monthly EQ or Story content. So his overall impact on your day-to-day playing can be limited if you choose to ban him in BGs… if you don’t… well? You’ll just have to deal with him.
Overall, I get why people are upset, but there are ways to mitigate his impact on your daily MCOC play sessions. I think in a year from now, things will start to feel a bit better with him and we’ll have some cool new counters, and maybe some buffed ones. If I’m wrong hopefully they take a look at him again.
(If you disagree with what I’m saying, please don’t be disrespectful, that’s all I ask if you read and respond)
@BMcG I agree with a lot of your points. But I will say hold your horses (get it, horse? Beta ray, ok sorry for that) because with how strong of a defender he is I am pretty sure we will start seeing him in story content (not 9.1 since that's already done) and other mainstay quests because of just how good he is as a defender and while I'm completely fine with taking down an AW or BG sized serpent health pool, a 1million hp Serpent sounds like nightmare fuel.
That being said, to your point because of how good serpent is, Kabam has the opportunity to make new mystic champs that can counter him, I mean we never had a hard counter to fantman until BRB came out and Negasonic completely shuts down Bullseye and Attuma. It's only a matter of time.
Honestly, I'm in a minority where I'm fine with his death immunity buff. It's like kindred's outbreak at 5% because you need to hold on to your relic and also a special at high sigs to make sure he doesn't pop sp3 which I think is fine. My problem is personally that pierce+fury combo he has on top undexable specials. It's just too much unavoidable chip damage, bullseye is also infamous for this but at least a bleed immune champ mitigates it, serpent just chunks you off in longer fights. That would of been my only change really, remove either the pierce or fury (my vote would be pierce personally)
Anyways enjoyed the thorse video mate , all the best
Spider Ham and Bill synergy is a good one for questing when you can use it
Great vid
BRB R3 confirmed 😮
How much of a difference in dmg from charging heavy and charging without?
You need to do the heavy charge for longform stuff. That’s how you keep your shocks up the whole fight
Btw Thorse smash!
I know it's not needed, but can you show bill as a galactus herald?
Might be a dumb question but does someone know if hes in the 5 star basic pool or any other 5 star crystal pool?
Hey BMcG, did you see the Serpent rebalancing information? What did you think of it?
Also I love BRB
This is copied from another reply on this video. These are my thoughts.
“So… it’s kind of a mixed bag for me.
I do think Serpent is overtuned. But, I think that’s exactly what the devs wanted.
For a while, the Mystic class was in a weird spot to where it seems to be hard for them to make meaningful Mystic Attackers, because all of our older ones are so strong. Doom, Tigra, BWCV, for example. Having this goalpost Defender, Serpent, be a design pillar for the designers to have something to create counters for will help the game with its longevity. Maestro and Serpent give the designers enough design space to make some really meaningful Mystic Champions that add new value to your roster, which will accompany the existing power in your roster already.
The only place you *have* to fight Serpent right now is in Alliance War. You can’t really prevent your opponent from placing him. In BGs, you can just ban him, which is what I normally do. He also isn’t in Monthly EQ or Story content. So his overall impact on your day-to-day playing can be limited if you choose to ban him in BGs… if you don’t… well? You’ll just have to deal with him.
Overall, I get why people are upset, but there are ways to mitigate his impact on your daily MCOC play sessions. I think in a year from now, things will start to feel a bit better with him and we’ll have some cool new counters, and maybe some buffed ones. If I’m wrong hopefully they take a look at him again.
(If you disagree with what I’m saying, please don’t be disrespectful, that’s all I ask if you read and respond)”
Its weird how bill didnt remove killmonger's armor (pulverise it)
That’s because it’s not an armor 🙃🥲
@@BMcG its written in his kit Vibranium armor. Bill pulverise armor effects (passive and buffs)
@@R7skillz7z yeah, Bill essentially looks for Armor Up Effects. Killmonger’s armor isn’t an armor up.
Is Beta Ray choice of him, Venom (duped), shocker, guardian to r2 7? Will be my first r2 7* and im thinking Beta Ray or Venom and appreciate advice. Thanks :)
for the longest time I thought you and simula were the same person until you mentioned it..😂
My problem with him is making the sp2 while I am charging the heavy. I don't understand if it's me making wrong something or if it's the IA or the mechanic itself. I can't achieve the horse buffs, the orange ones. I understand timing is all, but do I have really power on that or I depend from server lags and other funny things? Sometimes works. Most of times does not. It's very annoying. It happens that I'm forgetting him every time I could use him. I understand the value of the character, but I feel I can't rely on him. Anyone else?
Simula video does not help me with clarifying the timing... I feel lost.
What path can you finish in Necropolis, with a BRB focused squad?
Idk about BRB focused but I recently did Necro Path 1 with Kate, Abs, BRB, Chave, and Juggs and BRB was goated
Cool video… I’m really trying to decide whether to R3 Billor venom both unduped and Hyperion sig 20. I would be interested to hear your opinion
My first question would be; what star and rank is your venom relic? Is it duped?
My second question would be; who do you enjoy playing most?
If you have a 5/6* duped venom relic that’s decent rank then I’d probably go venom, unless you like playing bill significantly more. But if you don’t have a decent venom relic then bill is the best option imo
(assuming you have at least a 3* Thor relic for him, that’s all he needs for the 25% buff potency)
Largely agree here. Hyperion is fine at R2. He punches up super well. Same with Beta Ray Bill honestly. Venom benefits the most from the extra rank, but I’d only rank if you have the Venom Relic, like MCOC Hazza mentioned.
@@BMcG I have 6* duped R2 Venom relic
Also I forgot Thorse!
i took him to r3 to get valiant
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Go space horse go
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Does no one else think his damage feels too cheap? I feel like his burst damage is far too easily achieved for how it's obtained, the detonate window on the SP1 is far too large imo.
Thor relic doesn't work on vox
@@Dogerrrrr why not? I have it on my 7r3 Vox and the Vigor buff increases my damage from all sources by 12%.
@@BMcG got it my mistake, I was putting a 3star thor relic on him, which only gives a bit buff potency
Other than that he’s goated
Honse ❌
Thorse 👍
I really like Beta-ray Bill, best offensive Champion released this year by far. I only have two nit picks with him:
1.) I wish he was immune to Power Burn not just Power Drain, it just seems weird that he's only immune to Power Drain. Being Immune to Power Burn as well would open the door to so many other match-ups and AW Nodes.
2.) Sometimes when your charging your heavy attack the Opponent just runs back and fourth across the screen like a lost child in a grocery store when though they are infuriated. 🤣
Yea I'm not really a fan. The way I see it you need to be very good with light intercepts so you don't use your med and cause the shocks to expire before your L1. He would've massively better if his L1 just detonated the shocks, but that's way too much common sense for kabam.
You can parry and start with a light attack. His light reach also is good. In war and battlegrounds, you don’t need to prioritize doing light attacks too. You actually wanna do Medium starting combos so your fight ends faster. He’s not that complicated to use if you practice and learn the timing.
@@BMcG yea I'm aware of all that. I practiced with him a lot trying to basically force myself to like him bc the damage can be very good. It all comes down to preference and play style though ya know.. right now I'm just crushin on Chee'ilth. She's freakin dope. Just took her to r3 after getting the dupe from that token thing. She basically gets guaranteed crits when they're bleed immune. It's not as good as the bleeds, but it's a nice back up plan.
He is not getting 1.1-1.2 mil damage burst without boost as a 7* rank 3 with max sig, the max damage was like 989k on a class disadvantage matchup
I was getting 789,000 bursts with my R3 sig 0 against Necropolis Nimrod, at sig 200, that would be 1,104,600 damage.
@@BMcG As I understand it (based on DLL’s video covering BRB) the 40% increase from the sig ability stacks on top of the 200% increase he already gets during his SP1 (240% increase to burst damage in total). So, there’s definitely a benefit, but assuming your shocks expire during the SP1 it only equates to about a 10-15% increase in overall damage output (at max sig)
@@eliperman332 Good to know, I didn't know this!
First?
Yes, I fell off
@@BMcG lol
He’s trash for bgs , and that hurts 😢
He really is. That sp2 to sp1 rotation is kinda long, when there's cosmics like CGR, HYPEerion, Hulkling finish fights way faster😂