I grew up in Miami in the early sixties and remember all sorts of fans and taking them apart to keep cool. I liked your mud flap idea. It is great to work on old stuff that can actually be repaired.
Well built stuff deserves to be put back into service. It's hard to imagine no AC from yesteryear. A good fan was definitely a luxury item when it was built.
You have taught me to salvage valuable resources when I throw something out. Wires, switches, springs, hardware. It's amazing most people don't already have container-fulls in the garage. But then again, at least some stuff lives on in thrift stores.
EXCELLENT video. Love the revival of the fan. The spacing on the safety grille is probably a clue to manufacturing date as is the lower case letters in the brand. I'm guessing this could be as late as the 1960's.
My goodness, talk about heavy duty. Just the sound of the fan guard when you put it down relayed the weight of the thing. Me too buddy, I'm done with cheap electrical tape, Scott's 33 or 88 is the only tape in my garage. Another save of a worthy piece of equipment. It swivels like a search light, pretty cool.
Wow, that's a heck of a fan! Looking at the video thumbnail I was picturing some little desktop fan but that's no USB piece of crap! Hopefully I'll find a cool one to fix up! Thanks for sharing!
I remember all the second hand fans my dad brought home. My mom could not stand the NJ humidity and burned out fans just trying to get relief. Back then, air conditioners were a luxury to us. That is a real gem.
Old equipment is always good. Those were the days when things were engineered to last. Theses days engineering has advanced so much they can ensure a product fails shortly after the warranty is up. Almost everything now has an expected lifespan that is quite low in my humble opinion.
Planned obsolescence is the motto of the day. We have the invention of plastics and computers that allow engineers to make stuff "just strong enough" in order to function.
Best cement for attaching rubber to most things is Rema Tip Top SC200, it's hard to find but this stuff works fantastic. Your video is now prompting me to look for some more now...
Thanks. Rema Tip Top has great stuff and this is exactly what I was looking for. With a quick Google search it seams hard to find though, like you say. I come across a more easily obtainable possibly comparable product called Pliobond. Have you ever tried that?
Contact cement will bond rubber to steel. I've repaired motor and trans mounts using it. Also if that transformer craps put you can get replacement ones online very cheap or at HD or Lowes.
sixtyfiveford I've got one of these as well - video of it up here - ruclips.net/video/Msv9lGAooeA/видео.html It needs to be gone through similar to yours.
It sure had a lot of rotted old wire in there ..scary to think someone used it that way ......I like the round hoop and how the fan can pivot in it ..Kinda reminds me of the old spot / flood lights used on movie sets
I have sum suggestions: use patrol base solvent in place of acetone as it mixes with atf.. to glue rubber to metal, use 3M auto weather strip adhesive. take care.
Put some zoom spout or 3 in one oil in the oil ports , detergent oil will tear up the bearings, other than that good job fixing up the old fan looks to be from the forty’s
Smashing, it's back to a fully safe and working order :-D. I think those cone shaped "nuts" are also called marettes. I've seen crimp versions in ceiling fans/light assemblys to join wires, but never to be used on solid core house wiring. We tend to use connector blocks, or what i call "chocolate blocks" as they remind me of the chocolate bars that you can snap a section off, same with the connector blocks. If you like braded cable, the cable from an electric iron usually has it, it has to be safe for someone to use the iron on clothes without the cable melting.
Thanks. The old "Wire Nuts" (Marettes) were simple porcelain and did little but insulate. That is if they didn't crack and fall off. The ones used here in the US for the past 30+ years have a great reputation of reliability. The connector blocks are used in homes, but only in the main circuit panel(I think you call it a Consumer Unit). It's interesting to see the different approaches our countries took at wiring.
Yes you're right "consumer unit" but it's an odd name for a breaker box or fuse box (old). Our old old system was a small wooden box with pot blade fuses that could be rewired, that's 1949 tech lol :-D There is r.c.d and earth leakage built into the new box, and it works very well. but when we first had it we had to replace our washing machine, it had a tiny tiny leak to earth and the kitchen sockets were cut off straight away. Annoying but safe. This house has a neutral and live 240v feed into a 100 amp fuse, then from that to the meter and then to the input of the breaker box. It's a simple house. Ring mains wiring for the sockets, radial for the lights, and spur for the cooker and shower. (it was rewired in the 80's". People think 240v is dangerious, but treat it with a little respect and it is fine, no crappy cables and badly wired plugs.
Fun to watch, Moe. I use 3M's '33" as well because I'm not a professional and everything else I've tried doesn't work (I need all the help I can get!) :>)
Ya do know, that "Luke I am your father" line at the end sounded like a cross between Darth Vader and Arnold Schwarzenegger . . . . haha . . . great fix on the fan . . . Rog
Yeah, I hate to see things like that thrown away when it just takes a little effort to bring it back to life! For a long time when I would go to the dump, I would bring more stuff home than I took there ! 😊 When you brought out the box of cords I had to laugh a little because I have way too many stashed, of all sizes, length and color ! Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
I love my Shoe Goo and use it for everything. I tried bonding it to rubber years ago and it seamed to peel off, but I could omit the rubber and form the entire foot out of Shoe Goo. Good idea.
Love your tinkering vids!!! I have an older large industrial-type fan and when I turn it on the lowest setting it does nothing, but switch it on high and it'll start to slowly turn until it gets up to speed. Once it's been up to speed, you can then turn it off, then on, and even the lowest setting and it'll run just fine at all speeds. What causes this? How can I fix it?
i would replace the motor for better reliability all these vintage fans mainly Vornado i came across have a choke coil for high and low speeds. as i had a motor burn out in my one vornado i had and replaced the original burned out shaded pole 3.3 inch motor to the modern efficient Permanent Split-Capacitor if its over 1 amps a PSC motor will draw less than than that. as all these vintage fans then use a shaded pole type motor. for your Mimar fan not sure if a replacement motor would be available. im more in favor of the PSC motors for these old fans they are more efficient than shaded pole and for safety are thermally protected. im not sure of the motor diameter of your mimar fan if the motor has to be replaced down the road. its something i have to do is when purchasing a vintage fan is the condition of the motor. as new motors either Shaded pole or PSC are quite expensive as you can get the motor from your local HVAC supply house. the most common replacement motor is FASCO for this vintage Vornado i used a US Motors 9664 a universal 115/208/230 v motor as all the wiring fitted in the original wiring cap from the old motor which i transferred to but left the run capacitor in the 12:00 position and mounted it to a belly band mount. it works with the original choke coil. the motor is ball bearing so it has a long spindown time and it has a startup sound to it. im surprised it has the torque to spin that 10 in heavy metal blade. the fan model is a vornado b28 c-1 the early 1950s its made. as i like this fan it moves alot of air than todays fans do the new motor i installed in this Vornado is thermally protected so if it overheats the thermal protector will turn off the motor and reset when it cools. as thats a sefety measure as the motors run quite hot in these vintage fans.
I've worked on and repaired many electric motors. This one was thoroughly inspected and the winding were all in excellent condition and the motor will last indefinitely. The motors should never get warm in these with proper cooling. This particular motor stays cold to the touch after hours of running. Vornado may have overloaded the capacity of their motor by having too much fan pitch or too heavy of blade.
i agree that the O.A. Sutton corp have deep pitch blades that overloads these motors as back then the motor technology is of the shaded pole type in todays world are very inefficient and eat up the costs in electric bills. a efficient way to go i figured out is the Permanent Split-Capacitor PSC motor. they have more torque and draw less power than those shaded pole motors. when i put in that motor it started that blade up much quicker. and it ran more efficiently so i can use this fan every day. when you get a replacement motor if it indicates Air Over, AO or Cont AO it has to be mounted in the airstream like a fan or it will overheat. this motor i got included a 5MFD 370VAC run capacitor. as i left it on the motor if i need to change the capacitor in the future. last year i have a modern Vornado 723 DC the problem was is the ECM motor went bad in it and has resistance when the shaft is spun and its shorted so i replaced this China made Delta Electronics motor with a US Motors 9662 Bohn fan motor as i had to modify it to drill out and put in longer studs in the rear end plate. and used a varaible speed Triac speed control on it. again this is a PSC motor and it has the extra wires on the side thats for your rotation. when i initially tested it the rotation was not right on it so i had to interchange those two wires and the rotation is right on it now. they work perfect. i was going to install a switch and a choke coil in it originally. since this is a single speed motor as the speed controls if its a 3 speed fan the speed taps are in the motor as there is no choke coil like in your fan or any old fan that used a choke coil. if you use a triac speed control with your fan for varaible speed you can remove the choke coil if its a 3 speed motor the two speed leads must be insulated not touching together otherwise the motor will burn out they have the 3.3 in ECM motors out there they are the Arktic by Morrill not sure if these motors are compatabile with the original choke coil speed control or the triac speed control. as ECM motor technology its expensive but it saves on alot of dollars when the fan is used alot.
i seen other brands of vintage fans with burnt windings in their motors not just Vornado. the ones i came across is Berns Air King, and seen a video of one is the Mathes Cooler fans as thats worse thats a wood cabinet on the Mathes Cooler fans. whats neat about these US Motors 3.3 inch PSC motors they are universal replacements mainly for refrigeration applications but can be used in vintage fans as some have the leads on the side of the motor to reverse the rotation its like a rescue type motor as US Motors formally labeled Emerson Electric. they brand them as Rescue. so this motor is a Rescue type motor it can be used to rescue these vintage fans from going into the landfills. as im happy with the PSC motor its a nice upgrade for this vintage Vornado and it uses less power than the original Universal Electric 3.3 in shaded pole motor. that this Vornado had. as i would recommend this motor highly the US Motors 9662, 9664, and 9721 3.3 in motors. for some vintage fans. as back in the day if you have to replace a motor and it didn't rotate the right way the old shaded pole split housing motors in these vintage fans its to take them apart and flip the stator and reroute the wires. these new Rescue type PSC motors takes the hassle out of that with multiple mounting configurations, and the wires to change the rotation. for the Vornado i had to get a 3.3 in motor belly band mount so it can mount in the original fan supports in which it did and used the original hardware. its what you have to face in the vintage fan hobby. sometimes the motor insulation holding the windings crumble and deteriorate then the windings are loose inside the motor. they wear away and eventially the windings ground to the stator of the motor as i already got shocked from one. as well the motors drawing alot of power. and overheating. an accurate way is to get a P3 Kill a Watt meter it can tell you how many amps its drawing. and whether or not the motor in the fan is safe to run. as i like Vornado fans mainly for its high air output. as they move all the air in the room. i seen the reproduction of these vintage vornado fans they are like the O.A. Sutton made fans but they are made in China. they are like the ones from the 1950s. the original Vornado from 1945-1946 have the jailbar front grille and the word Vornado Fan the ones from 1947-1949 have the gunsight front grille which also said Vornado Fan the ones from 1950 went to the 3 bar front grille and a plastic Vornado emblem and a new base with a plastic saying Vornado on them. the ones radically made were the 1956 -1958 Vornado models a unique designed motor, cool retro colors, as well as dual window fans as i red the O.A. Sutton corp made these fans up to 1958 and ceased production of them untill 1959 is when the retail chain two guys aquired the O.A. Sutton and carried the Vornado name on some of their products which renamed it Vornado Inc today its known as Vornado Realty Trust. has no ties to the modern Vornado company Vornado Air LLC. formally Vornado Air Circulation Systems Inc. the older newer Vornado fans they have a lifetime warranty on them. as Vornado Air LLC still honors the warranty on them. others have a certian warranties on them. the good fan to use for the garage is the Vornado 293 Heavy duty Shop fan. i have one it moves alot of air to work on vehicles and other projects.
Nice save on the old girl. Made back in the day when blade balance was actually a thing. Now, you might by one that vibrates so much it falls over,,,, or not,,,, because quality control is non existent.
I bought two old General Electric Vortalex fans and got them running again. They work great. Mainly because the crap plastic fans of today don't last very long.
My Wife bought me 2 for Christmas. When I asked why I got two identical ones? "Because you ruin all your clothes and now you have a backup". I believe she found them online at Shopko.
Where did you get your punch set from? I have been looking for a quality set that is sharp and will stay sharp. I sent the last set I purchased from Amazon back because they were super cheap quality and so dull they wouldn’t cut gasket material.
I actually looked at a few and finally decided on this one amzn.to/2joV9sb from Tekton. It wasn't sharp enough for my liking but none of them seam to be. I spent 15 minutes sharpening them by hand rotating them against the grinder. They work great and the steel seems high enough quality to not roll over the sharp edge.
Oh yes Scotch 33 electrical tape, that is all I use now, HF stuff is junk. As for the feet, years ago they sold rubber to metal cement, don't know if they still sell it.
Main problem I've encountered with old fans is usage has promoted wear at the top bushing requiring shims to improve contact at the brushes and commutator. Yours didn't appear to have that problem; i.e., so little usage or better shims. Should serve you well.
DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, WHY DIDNT YOU USE THE MOTHER'S ALUMINIUM POLISH ON THE BLADE!!?? THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED SO SHARP! JACK OF ALL TRADES MASTER OF NONE, LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, OLD ONE LEGGED JOSEPH T.
I grew up in Miami in the early sixties and remember all sorts of fans and taking them apart to keep cool. I liked your mud flap idea. It is great to work on old stuff that can actually be repaired.
Well built stuff deserves to be put back into service. It's hard to imagine no AC from yesteryear. A good fan was definitely a luxury item when it was built.
I cant believe someone at your age will go thru and repair items like you do,GREAT JOB!
Hey Thanks. It's fun digging into these items.
You have taught me to salvage valuable resources when I throw something out. Wires, switches, springs, hardware. It's amazing most people don't already have container-fulls in the garage. But then again, at least some stuff lives on in thrift stores.
I just wish I had more space to store more spare parts.
Its a great old fan and worth restoring, nice job and your nearly at the 100k for your RUclips play award. Well done.
Yeah, it's fun tinkering with random stuff. Thanks, 100k just around the corner.
Nothing quite like the old electronics, beefy, functional and quiet. Nice work.
The simplicity is great. Thanks.
I still have rolls of wingwang tape hanging around and yes no more :) It was even ul certified 80 years ago wow - Nicely done .
haha "Wingwang tape". I'm going have to use that line.
Nice old fan, it’s got a great look I’m glad it works
Something about the 40-50's styling that really stands out to me.
EXCELLENT video. Love the revival of the fan. The spacing on the safety grille is probably a clue to manufacturing date as is the lower case letters in the brand. I'm guessing this could be as late as the 1960's.
Thanks.
My goodness, talk about heavy duty. Just the sound of the fan guard when you put it down relayed the weight of the thing. Me too buddy, I'm done with cheap electrical tape, Scott's 33 or 88 is the only tape in my garage. Another save of a worthy piece of equipment. It swivels like a search light, pretty cool.
Last time around I picked up some 88. I guess it's thicker, but I didn't really notice any benefit as far as adhesion/flexibility.
Wow, that's a heck of a fan! Looking at the video thumbnail I was picturing some little desktop fan but that's no USB piece of crap! Hopefully I'll find a cool one to fix up! Thanks for sharing!
It's been working very well. I need to find another one to play with or fully restore this one.
very nice Yeah there is something about the early 50's 40's era that has styling un matched
Well said.
I remember all the second hand fans my dad brought home. My mom could not stand the NJ humidity and burned out fans just trying to get relief. Back then, air conditioners were a luxury to us. That is a real gem.
They weren't cheap new so second hand was the way to go. Looking back at old magazine adverts, they were all around $200+(adjusted for inflation) new.
I'm a fan of your efforts. I have one with brass blades and cast iron bottom I'm going to restore. Thanks for sharing.
Those brass blade fans seam to be very sought after.
sixtyfiveford I like the one you have because it is directional. They love 3 in one oil.
Basic strip and clean. What amazes me online is how many people don't do stuff like this.
Could't agree more on electrical tape. Its too important.
It has a lot of life left in it.
Old equipment is always good. Those were the days when things were engineered to last. Theses days engineering has advanced so much they can ensure a product fails shortly after the warranty is up. Almost everything now has an expected lifespan that is quite low in my humble opinion.
Planned obsolescence is the motto of the day. We have the invention of plastics and computers that allow engineers to make stuff "just strong enough" in order to function.
That is a great fan, I've seen just a few of those ducted fans around. That would be a real beauty if you ever decided to restore it. Great find!
Thanks, I've used it quit a bit the last little while and have been very happy. I think it deserves a restore.
Best cement for attaching rubber to most things is Rema Tip Top SC200, it's hard to find but this stuff works fantastic. Your video is now prompting me to look for some more now...
Thanks. Rema Tip Top has great stuff and this is exactly what I was looking for. With a quick Google search it seams hard to find though, like you say. I come across a more easily obtainable possibly comparable product called Pliobond. Have you ever tried that?
It lives! That is one old fan.
It should last a good long time too come.
Mo, great video. I needed this two years ago. I have a brass blade fan in pieces because I couldn’t figure it out. Glad you had some superglue to use.
The brass blade fans seam to be very sought after.
Contact cement will bond rubber to steel. I've repaired motor and trans mounts using it. Also if that transformer craps put you can get replacement ones online very cheap or at HD or Lowes.
AWESOME, I never thought about contact cement. I have a ton of it and will give it a try.
Nice old fan. I collect and restore old fans myself.
I've put quit a few hours on it this summer. She deserves some new paint and a polished blade.
sixtyfiveford I've got one of these as well - video of it up here - ruclips.net/video/Msv9lGAooeA/видео.html
It needs to be gone through similar to yours.
It sure had a lot of rotted old wire in there ..scary to think someone used it that way ......I like the round hoop and how the fan can pivot in it ..Kinda reminds me of the old spot / flood lights used on movie sets
I think it will come in very handy being able to precisely direct the airflow around the shop/home.
NIce job ! I love saving old stuff like that !
Thanks, it's fun pulling old stuff like this apart.
Nice job darth!
Thanks Joe.
Nice recovery, Moe. Any classy repair.
Thanks George.
I have sum suggestions: use patrol base solvent in place of acetone as it mixes with atf.. to glue rubber to metal, use 3M auto weather strip adhesive. take care.
I'll pick up some 3M weather strip adhesive and give it a shot.
Good job Moe
Thanks Jimbo. My welder was envious of all the work going on without it's help.
i could not agree more about that electrical tape... I still have them around
It's one of those things you don't believe until you actually try it.
Old Fans are great, blast that flatulence away!
Spread the flatulence is more like it.
lol
Looks very useful
Put some zoom spout or 3 in one oil in the oil ports , detergent oil will tear up the bearings, other than that good job fixing up the old fan looks to be from the forty’s
She'll get some Zoom Spout for sure.
I'd use super glue too, but used with activator, I've found I have much more success and it's practically instant bond. Great project thanks.
I've never used the activator. Doesn't it just make a quicker bond?
Great job as always! Very educational.
It was a fun project. Thanks Glen. -Moe
Stater stays in place rotor rotates everybody knows that except for me. Great vid keep them coming.
Hey Thanks.
I say the same thing evertime I'm in front of a fan! RIP Chris Farley!
Chris Farley was a Funny Funny Man!
That's from around the 50's I collect vintage and antique fans
Thanks, good to know.
Smashing, it's back to a fully safe and working order :-D.
I think those cone shaped "nuts" are also called marettes.
I've seen crimp versions in ceiling fans/light assemblys to join wires, but never to be used on solid core house wiring.
We tend to use connector blocks, or what i call "chocolate blocks" as they remind me of the chocolate bars that you can snap a section off, same with the connector blocks.
If you like braded cable, the cable from an electric iron usually has it, it has to be safe for someone to use the iron on clothes without the cable melting.
Thanks. The old "Wire Nuts" (Marettes) were simple porcelain and did little but insulate. That is if they didn't crack and fall off. The ones used here in the US for the past 30+ years have a great reputation of reliability. The connector blocks are used in homes, but only in the main circuit panel(I think you call it a Consumer Unit). It's interesting to see the different approaches our countries took at wiring.
Yes you're right "consumer unit" but it's an odd name for a breaker box or fuse box (old).
Our old old system was a small wooden box with pot blade fuses that could be rewired, that's 1949 tech lol :-D
There is r.c.d and earth leakage built into the new box, and it works very well. but when we first had it we had to replace our washing machine, it had a tiny tiny leak to earth and the kitchen sockets were cut off straight away.
Annoying but safe.
This house has a neutral and live 240v feed into a 100 amp fuse, then from that to the meter and then to the input of the breaker box.
It's a simple house.
Ring mains wiring for the sockets, radial for the lights, and spur for the cooker and shower. (it was rewired in the 80's".
People think 240v is dangerious, but treat it with a little respect and it is fine, no crappy cables and badly wired plugs.
That's a cool fan be great to use when welding
Good idea.
First! Awesome fan! They don't make them like that anymore!
Awesome. They really don't, but we make much better electrical cords these days.
Very interesting. Good job! Good video!
Thanks, I'm glad to get it up and running.
love your Videos keep them coming
Thanks.
Better than a new one
It should last a long time to come.
Another cool video.
JJ McGuire Thanks JJ. -Moe
When stuff you bought was Made in the USA and safety guards weren't really safe. The good old days!
If you were dumb enough to stick your finger in the fan, you didn't deserve fingers.
Fun to watch, Moe. I use 3M's '33" as well because I'm not a professional and everything else I've tried doesn't work (I need all the help I can get!) :>)
Years ago I went crazy with cheap tape wrapping wire looms and weeks later it all just fell off and left a slimy mess. 3M 33 just works.
Ya do know, that "Luke I am your father" line at the end sounded like a cross between Darth Vader and Arnold Schwarzenegger . . . . haha . . . great fix on the fan . . . Rog
Hey Thanks.
Great stuff SFF...Been a long time since I've said Hi !
Hi !
Stay cool Dude !
Thanks Man. Yeah, I haven't seen your great avatar name in a while.
Yeah, I hate to see things like that thrown away when it just takes a little effort to bring it back to life!
For a long time when I would go to the dump, I would bring more stuff home than I took there ! 😊
When you brought out the box of cords I had to laugh a little because I have way too many stashed, of all sizes, length and color !
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
I've always been told they would charge me to do that.
I've gotten in trouble for loading stuff at the dump. I had to make it a point to never go as I will end up with too many projects.
Antimatter Carp
It helps to be in a small town and knowing people ! 😊
sixtyfiveford
Yeah, understood !
I hold back a lot now, can't do like I used to. 😵
For your rubber feet, Shoe Goo. Liquid duct tape. Most old time hardware stores do still sell those feet too.
I love my Shoe Goo and use it for everything. I tried bonding it to rubber years ago and it seamed to peel off, but I could omit the rubber and form the entire foot out of Shoe Goo. Good idea.
Most hardware stores sell the rubber feet like that. You just use a washer slightly larger then the divot.
I know they make them but I guess I haven't paid close enough attention at the home improvement stores.
Love your tinkering vids!!! I have an older large industrial-type fan and when I turn it on the lowest setting it does nothing, but switch it on high and it'll start to slowly turn until it gets up to speed. Once it's been up to speed, you can then turn it off, then on, and even the lowest setting and it'll run just fine at all speeds. What causes this? How can I fix it?
Sounds like a capacitor motor with a dying capacitor.
Start up Capacitor . As 65 Said.
i would replace the motor for better reliability all these vintage fans mainly Vornado i came across have a choke coil for high and low speeds. as i had a motor burn out in my one vornado i had and replaced the original burned out shaded pole 3.3 inch motor to the modern efficient Permanent Split-Capacitor if its over 1 amps a PSC motor will draw less than than that. as all these vintage fans then use a shaded pole type motor. for your Mimar fan not sure if a replacement motor would be available. im more in favor of the PSC motors for these old fans they are more efficient than shaded pole and for safety are thermally protected. im not sure of the motor diameter of your mimar fan if the motor has to be replaced down the road. its something i have to do is when purchasing a vintage fan is the condition of the motor. as new motors either Shaded pole or PSC are quite expensive as you can get the motor from your local HVAC supply house. the most common replacement motor is FASCO for this vintage Vornado i used a US Motors 9664 a universal 115/208/230 v motor as all the wiring fitted in the original wiring cap from the old motor which i transferred to but left the run capacitor in the 12:00 position and mounted it to a belly band mount. it works with the original choke coil. the motor is ball bearing so it has a long spindown time and it has a startup sound to it. im surprised it has the torque to spin that 10 in heavy metal blade. the fan model is a vornado b28 c-1 the early 1950s its made. as i like this fan it moves alot of air than todays fans do the new motor i installed in this Vornado is thermally protected so if it overheats the thermal protector will turn off the motor and reset when it cools. as thats a sefety measure as the motors run quite hot in these vintage fans.
I've worked on and repaired many electric motors. This one was thoroughly inspected and the winding were all in excellent condition and the motor will last indefinitely. The motors should never get warm in these with proper cooling. This particular motor stays cold to the touch after hours of running. Vornado may have overloaded the capacity of their motor by having too much fan pitch or too heavy of blade.
i agree that the O.A. Sutton corp have deep pitch blades that overloads these motors as back then the motor technology is of the shaded pole type in todays world are very inefficient and eat up the costs in electric bills. a efficient way to go i figured out is the Permanent Split-Capacitor PSC motor. they have more torque and draw less power than those shaded pole motors. when i put in that motor it started that blade up much quicker. and it ran more efficiently so i can use this fan every day. when you get a replacement motor if it indicates Air Over, AO or Cont AO it has to be mounted in the airstream like a fan or it will overheat. this motor i got included a 5MFD 370VAC run capacitor. as i left it on the motor if i need to change the capacitor in the future. last year i have a modern Vornado 723 DC the problem was is the ECM motor went bad in it and has resistance when the shaft is spun and its shorted so i replaced this China made Delta Electronics motor with a US Motors 9662 Bohn fan motor as i had to modify it to drill out and put in longer studs in the rear end plate. and used a varaible speed Triac speed control on it. again this is a PSC motor and it has the extra wires on the side thats for your rotation. when i initially tested it the rotation was not right on it so i had to interchange those two wires and the rotation is right on it now. they work perfect. i was going to install a switch and a choke coil in it originally. since this is a single speed motor as the speed controls if its a 3 speed fan the speed taps are in the motor as there is no choke coil like in your fan or any old fan that used a choke coil. if you use a triac speed control with your fan for varaible speed you can remove the choke coil if its a 3 speed motor the two speed leads must be insulated not touching together otherwise the motor will burn out they have the 3.3 in ECM motors out there they are the Arktic by Morrill not sure if these motors are compatabile with the original choke coil speed control or the triac speed control. as ECM motor technology its expensive but it saves on alot of dollars when the fan is used alot.
i seen other brands of vintage fans with burnt windings in their motors not just Vornado. the ones i came across is Berns Air King, and seen a video of one is the Mathes Cooler fans as thats worse thats a wood cabinet on the Mathes Cooler fans. whats neat about these US Motors 3.3 inch PSC motors they are universal replacements mainly for refrigeration applications but can be used in vintage fans as some have the leads on the side of the motor to reverse the rotation its like a rescue type motor as US Motors formally labeled Emerson Electric. they brand them as Rescue. so this motor is a Rescue type motor it can be used to rescue these vintage fans from going into the landfills. as im happy with the PSC motor its a nice upgrade for this vintage Vornado and it uses less power than the original Universal Electric 3.3 in shaded pole motor. that this Vornado had. as i would recommend this motor highly the US Motors 9662, 9664, and 9721 3.3 in motors. for some vintage fans. as back in the day if you have to replace a motor and it didn't rotate the right way the old shaded pole split housing motors in these vintage fans its to take them apart and flip the stator and reroute the wires. these new Rescue type PSC motors takes the hassle out of that with multiple mounting configurations, and the wires to change the rotation. for the Vornado i had to get a 3.3 in motor belly band mount so it can mount in the original fan supports in which it did and used the original hardware. its what you have to face in the vintage fan hobby. sometimes the motor insulation holding the windings crumble and deteriorate then the windings are loose inside the motor. they wear away and eventially the windings ground to the stator of the motor as i already got shocked from one. as well the motors drawing alot of power. and overheating. an accurate way is to get a P3 Kill a Watt meter it can tell you how many amps its drawing. and whether or not the motor in the fan is safe to run. as i like Vornado fans mainly for its high air output. as they move all the air in the room. i seen the reproduction of these vintage vornado fans they are like the O.A. Sutton made fans but they are made in China. they are like the ones from the 1950s. the original Vornado from 1945-1946 have the jailbar front grille and the word Vornado Fan the ones from 1947-1949 have the gunsight front grille which also said Vornado Fan the ones from 1950 went to the 3 bar front grille and a plastic Vornado emblem and a new base with a plastic saying Vornado on them. the ones radically made were the 1956 -1958 Vornado models a unique designed motor, cool retro colors, as well as dual window fans as i red the O.A. Sutton corp made these fans up to 1958 and ceased production of them untill 1959 is when the retail chain two guys aquired the O.A. Sutton and carried the Vornado name on some of their products which renamed it Vornado Inc today its known as Vornado Realty Trust. has no ties to the modern Vornado company Vornado Air LLC. formally Vornado Air Circulation Systems Inc. the older newer Vornado fans they have a lifetime warranty on them. as Vornado Air LLC still honors the warranty on them. others have a certian warranties on them. the good fan to use for the garage is the Vornado 293 Heavy duty Shop fan. i have one it moves alot of air to work on vehicles and other projects.
Use 3M weatherstripping adhesive glue to bond rubber to metal. It will never let go.
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
Nice save on the old girl. Made back in the day when blade balance was actually a thing. Now, you might by one that vibrates so much it falls over,,,, or not,,,, because quality control is non existent.
Seams like every box fan or small fan I've gotten over the years vibrates. I've spent hours of my life balancing these cheap plastic blades.
I bought two old General Electric Vortalex fans and got them running again. They work great. Mainly because the crap plastic fans of today don't last very long.
It's fun tinkering with these old electric appliances.
Cool how to for the DIY ers. Where did you get that hoodie? Thanks Moe.
My Wife bought me 2 for Christmas. When I asked why I got two identical ones? "Because you ruin all your clothes and now you have a backup". I believe she found them online at Shopko.
Too funny,thanks Moe. You don't ruin clothes, you just are working too hard!
Where did you get your punch set from? I have been looking for a quality set that is sharp and will stay sharp. I sent the last set I purchased from Amazon back because they were super cheap quality and so dull they wouldn’t cut gasket material.
I actually looked at a few and finally decided on this one amzn.to/2joV9sb from Tekton. It wasn't sharp enough for my liking but none of them seam to be. I spent 15 minutes sharpening them by hand rotating them against the grinder. They work great and the steel seems high enough quality to not roll over the sharp edge.
Thank you very much!
did i really just use 18 mins of my life to watch someone make a fan work when iv done that many many times
I feel a draft. lol I enjoy your videos
Thanks Alan. -Moe
Oh yes Scotch 33 electrical tape, that is all I use now, HF stuff is junk.
As for the feet, years ago they sold rubber to metal cement, don't know if they still sell it.
I'll keep looking for a dedicated cement. Someone suggested contact cement to bond rubber to steel. The super glue seams to be holding for now.
Main problem I've encountered with old fans is usage has promoted wear at the top bushing requiring shims to improve contact at the brushes and commutator. Yours didn't appear to have that problem; i.e., so little usage or better shims. Should serve you well.
This particular has a brushless motor, so I had no issues there.
how about a give away?.... To Me LOL. IT seems to me that used to be Vornado's old competitor, kinda looks exactly like it.
Yeah, I was thinking it looks a lot like the Vornado. They actually reproduce them and still sell them(of course with a lot of plastic parts).
yup, seen them at costco from time to time, timeless design tho..
In 50 yeats I bet they won't be restoring the 16.99 box fans that Walmart sell.
In 50years all the plastic made things of this era will be long gone.
sixtyfiveford well, in a landfill somewhere anyway. Plastics last forever.
DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, DUDE, MOTHER'S, DUDE MOTHER'S, WHY DIDNT YOU USE THE MOTHER'S ALUMINIUM POLISH ON THE BLADE!!?? THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED SO SHARP! JACK OF ALL TRADES MASTER OF NONE, LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, OLD ONE LEGGED JOSEPH T.
The blades where painted or else I would have ran my polisher over them.
That is from the 1950's
Thanks.
Restore it.
I'm leaning that way.
They don't make them that way any more. That fan will probably still be running in another 60 years after your repairs.
Over-engineered for sure.