Is Oil Consumption a Concern on 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0L Duramax Diesel?
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Is there an issue with oil consumption for the 2023 Chevy Silverado 3.0L Durmax diesel? This has been a topic brought up many times online and publisher Tim Esterdahl gets to the bottom of this concern.
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If the truck left the factory with a extra quart of oil in it and after 2500 miles your down to under a half on the dip stick, that's a lot of oil used in 2500 miles.
I agree.That engine may have burnt 3 quarts.
I’m glad I read your comment because that’s exactly the same thing I was going to say. I don’t know why he thinks he did not burn much oil because he burned a shit load of oil in 2500 miles. I can’t believe how bad they are building these vehicles if they are burning so much oil. My two V8 tundras do not burn a drop of oil.
He is a GM puppet unfortunately 🤣 .....I lease all my trucks and everyone should too
He did not break it in properly. It should not consume oil especially with only 2600 miles. He if goes 7500-10,000 mile oil change intervals, burn it up.
@@rickdalie leasing is for idiots that don't know how to do simple math. If everyone stopped leasing, prices would drop significantly.
Didn’t think GM made a 2 stroke diesel any longer.
LOL
They don't, this is Wankel territory we're in now.
If you know, then ya know.
Ha, ha..
Zing
I bought a 2020 Silverado HC 3.0 diesel. At 2,500 miles it was barely registering on the tip stick. Ended up doing a consumption test with my dealer and it exceeded gm specs. I traded it in with 18.5k miles for a 21 AT4 3.0 diesel. It has been flawless. The most oil used so far has been 1/2 qt over 6,500 mile intervals. MPGs are phenomenal with 22-24 city and 27 to 34 on hwy. Best 400 mile loop was 29mpg and best 50 mile loop is 34.7mpg. Seems to sip DEF. Sitting @ 46600 miles now.
Pretty sure u have an lm2 engine. Hes looking at the new lz0 . It's taking alot more def than the lm2
Hopefully that will be my story, bought the 2023 AT4 as well. Only at 1,000 miles checked oil yesterday, and it registered full on stick! We'll see I guess. Thanks
My 2020 GMC Sierra 1500 3.0 is going through oil I haven’t figured it out per mile but it’s down a full qt before I hit 50% so I am adding 2 and a half qt per oil change. I do tow about 20% of the time and go the DEF a lot. Get great fuel mileage and love the truck but I am worried about this oil usage
I have the 2022 Silverado with 3.0 duramax and 51k miles. Due to all the oil usage reports, I have kept a watchful-eye on the dipstick since new . I change the oil based on when the built in monitor says it is time. We own a ranch and this truck is put to task. It does not have an easy life. I have never once found the engine to have used oil. Something is being concealed here. There are many reports of trucks that are not using oil, and others using a substantial amount of oil. The fleet should be consistent. There appears to be a manufacturing issue. My two cents.
I have a 21 3.0 I tow with everyday in south ga I go through about half a qt every 2-2500 miles and happily add the oil it’s the best performing truck I’ve ever owned and I’ve tried them all
A dollar plus per gallon over regular fuel and oil by the drum for the engine. Sign me up for that, lol.
And Def fluid! 💲
If you're on a budget, this is not the engine to buy. You would do better with a. 2.7L or similar. Most get this engine for hauling or towing, which in itself is a costly endeavor
And double the price oil changes!
I have a feeling the 0W-20 DexosD has something to do with it. Also, I am sure your consumption will go down once the engine has more miles on it.
Some things to clear up from this video. When he says he is down just below the halfway point of engine oil, that is only down 1/2 quart, so 1.5 quarts down from the initial factory fill. Not 3-4 qts. Also from what I have seen with this engine from friends/family is that they are seeing higher amounts consumed initially, and then after the first oil change the amount of oil consumed drops off significantly to almost none. Many if not all manufacturers have an allowable amount of oil consumed within X amount of miles, and this is not a recent thing either. This has been an industry wide tolerance used by manufacturers for decades. I encourage you to check back again after the first oil change and see how much oil you are consuming then.
FORD F150's were also evaporating some oil mostly under towing conditions. Again the importance of checking the dipstick from time to time.
5.0l have a major issue with cylinder linings and burning oil.
My household owns 5 vehicles with all but one having more than 100K miles. One with 198K miles uses about 1Q/10K miles, one with 185K uses about 1Q/8K miles, the others don't use any. Trying to convince me that 1Q/2K miles is acceptable in a new vehicle is a non-starter for me.
I have been considering getting a new truck to replace the truck I have now. I guess it won’t be this
I don’t care what the manufacturer says your new vehicle should not burn oil for several hundred thousand miles . The manufacturer is building junk cars and trucks . I bought a new Chevy Silverado in 2002 and drove it over 500,000 miles and it never used oil .
This oil consumption isn't a diesel thing, its a GM thing.
I have several friends with GM trucks with the gas engines, and when they change the oil at 5,000 miles it will be down 1 to 2 quarts and GM says this is normal and don't worry about it, lol.
But if you let it go down to around 3 quarts low it will start to starve the engine of oil and can destroy the engine.
Oh and my 2014 Toyota Tundra with 150, 000 miles that I over load and tow with a lot, doesn't lose one drop of oil at every oil change.
I totally agree with you that’s why I have two tundras with the 5.7 V8 and they also don’t burn a drop of oil.
I was wondering that because I have never owned a diesel.
Oil consumption is also a BMW thing- design defects
Mine never did but it did have a leaking water pump gasket at 80k which is ridiculous...300 to 600 to fix. Somebody hit me before I bit that bullet. Oh and that truck used gas sitting turned off in my driveway got like 13 mpg...with what 15 or so years that 5.7 was well established and bugs worked out these diesels are what 3 years at best...
mid size 2019 diesel Colorado driver. ive never had any oil consumption. oil change at every 5,000 miles. my girlfriend used my truck for a trip and she said 1 day while driving my edge monitor alarm went off oil high oil temp. 220 degrees. was a very hot day 80 mph highway driving. was down 1/4 quart in about 300 mile drive.
I've been around diesel engines all my life I'm 62 years old Every engine I have been in contact with used engine oil
So if you work your truck you use 17 quarts of oil between changes. 7 for the change and 10 for the consumption. What a great design.
a few years ago the f150 5.0 engine used oil ford fix was to give you a longer dip stick and add one more quart of oil in
Make sure to check your owners manual. The oil level is usually right in the middle of the high and low mark after shutting down the engine and takes overnight for the oil level to reach the full mark on my Chevy gasser. For a gas engine Chevy: Check the engine oil level after the engine has been off for at least 2 hours. Checking oil too soon after engine shutdown can result in incorrect readings.
Thanks for the headsup!
Even on the gasoline engines, GM says to let the vehicle sit for an hour to get the most accurate oil level reading. It's sheer ignorance for this guy to suggest running the engine before checking the oil level is the correct way to do it.
Diesel was a 1.60 more per gallon today when I stopped for fuel. My last truck was a Duramax and I kept it 11 years. But now days between the cost of fuel, all the expensive emissions equipment, extra cost on filters and DEF. Only way I’d own a diesel is if I towed heavy A LOT. By that I mean several days a week or you tow long distances regularly. If you aren’t pulling a bunch, I just don’t think they are worth the hassle.
For Sure ! I’m on my 5th Duramax, the newer GM 2019 is a “pig” on fuel , compared to the Isuzu 6.6 ! 4-5 of my buddies bought the 6.6L gas version,, & they get the same consumption,, without losing any power ! $12K cheaper ! No more Deisels for me either !
Exactly right! Tow heavy often, yes get a diesel. Other than that it makes no sense over gas, especially in a half ton.
Solution: For the HD truck guys. Ford's 7.3L Godzilla or GM 6.6L L8T for you GM loyalists. Both old school push rod engines. Godzilla is even port fuel injected. No DEF, No HPFP, No DPF, No EGR, No turbo to wait on to cool down, or fail prematurely, cheaper fuel, etc etc.
So glad i saw this! Was just about to purchase one. This plus def, plus more per gallon than reg gas is just too much.
My 2021 AT4 was eating a quart every 500 miles. After a year of oil consumption testing they took my truck in for a "fix". It was a bad baffle in the valve cover, or at least that's what I was told. The fix seems to have worked, but it took 3 1/2 months to get it fixed. It has been back in the shop again to fix check engine lights.
I guess that explains the oil change interval from your earlier video. You don't need to worry about changing oil as you are steadily adding new oil. Just need to change the oil filter at some point.
WRONG!! Frequent diesel oil changes is because the huge explosions (knocking) causes ring blowby normally CONTAMINATING the lube with carbon. Keep adding without proper changes makes the contamination worse and worse, wearing out the rings resulting in a runaway engine running on crankcase oil! No matter what they tell you, change oil at 3000 miles using Rotella T4 dino oil or Chevron Delo 400. DO NOT WASTE MONEY ON SYNTHETIC as it won't stop the blowby. DO NOT EXTEND the 3000 mile limit! My 41-yr-old Mercedes 300TD and 35-yr-old Chevy P22 surplus Air Force 6.2l diesel stepvan prove it.
Get the 5.3 and go. Run 87 gas. I've had 3 and have been very happy. Change the oil on time. All 3 had cylinder deactivation. Oil use was never an issue. I come in about 1/2 quart low at 7500 miles. The 5.3 holds 8 quarts. No worries.
You'll be in for a new engine before you know it
My 2020 GMC is currently undergoing an oil consumption test (2k miles test per dealer) Truck has 33k miles and on a recent 2k mile trip I added 1 quart each way and when I arrived at home oil was half way between low and high marks. We'll see what happens in a few months after I go back to the dealer, but what bummer to have to constantly add oil on such a new vehicle! Love the channel and how you dig deep on these issues.
GM has a serious problem, my 2020 6.2L consumed oil bad as well. 25 to 3k oil be right off dip stick.
Check after it sits for hours. 2022 LM2 here with no usage. In the Heavy duty diesel space, truckers would check right after shutting down. Then they would see 2 to 3 quarts low and add. Essentially they were always overfilling and therefore burning oil. Self perpetuating Essentially. Don't add until lower hash and check after the engine has been off for hours.
So happy GM increased the price by 10K in Canada and I cancelled my GMC Sierra 3.0 order and got the Tundra instead. After 10,000 km same oil amount as at the beginning...
I had a 2020 GMC 6.2L and it Consumed OIL - GM tech said was normal. First new truck I’ve drove that when getting fuel / add litre of Oil. So wasn’t going to argue with GM, that’s crazy and SOLD it !!!! I’ve drove a few trucks, all brands and never had a motor Consume oil like this 6.2L did. I was considering a 3.0L diesel GM, but maybe I’ll stick with my Ford.
What’s interesting is that ever since I’ve owned a 2007 Avalanche, I’ve been told by GM that the accepted consumption was 1 Qt per 2000 miles back then.
I’ve never had consumption issues in other brands.
I had a 2014 LTZ .5 ton and I was told the Chevy shake was road force.. lol
It isn't burned from ring area. The PCV sucks it into the intake.
@@johnmills837 that's why gear heads use catch cans.
@@_LFOD1836 I do because I tow at 2,700 rpm for hours. Can't tow in OD with the 4L60E.
I can’t wait to see your results with the PPE oil pan. That is my plan to install that oil pan. I am not seeing that much oil consumption on my 22’ GMC LM2 but probably about a little over a qt. At 5k miles. I may give the Amsoil synthetic oil a try down the road to see what results I get with that.
All oil is synthetic now a days. Try and find "conventional" anymore. It's a hard find
Try to find the Amsoil REFINERY. It doesn't exist. Superior, WI is just a bottling plant for whoever wins the bid to supply sooper-dooper today. Can you say scam without cursing?
I look forward to following your experiences with this New GM
Tim, very Interesting. I never would have guessed that they overfill by a quart. I checked my 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT with the LZ0 and the oil level is above the full level. How much I don’t have a feeling for. I have put about a thousand miles on the truck and the oil level hasn’t budged. It is slightly darkened. The larger oil pan can’t hurt. The other thing to consider is a bypass oil filter system. This system pulls about 10% of the oil and flows it through a 2 micron filter while the other 90% goes through a full flow filter. These two filters typically require you to add about two more quarts to the oil pan. The 2 micron filter suppose to remove a large percentage of the soot. AMSOIL, INSANE DIESEL are two of the most popular bypass filter vendors.
If the oil gets deeper, buy an oil test from a reputable lab and find out how much fuel is filling the crankcase past the sloppy rings! Sloppy rings drops compression so all the fuel doesn't burn.
@@LarryButler-kp3se I had an oil analysis performed at 3,000 miles and showed a fuel dilution at 0.4% and a soot level at 0.1% all well within normal range. My truck now has over 10,000 miles and seems to have stopped using oil. I have switched to Mobil 1 ESP X2 (0W-20) with 30% PAO.
I follow the owners manual, from the "Vehicle Care" section on page 26 of the Diesel Supplement with my 21 with LM2 titled "Checking Engine Oil"
. To get an accurate reading, park the
vehicle on level ground. Check the engine
oil level after the engine has been off for
at least two hours. Checking the engine
oil level on steep grades or too soon after
engine shutoff can result in incorrect
readings. Accuracy improves when
checking a cold engine prior to starting.
Remove the dipstick and check the level.
. If unable to wait two hours, the engine
must be off for at least 15 minutes if the
engine is warm, or at least 30 minutes if
the engine is not warm. Pull out the
dipstick, wipe it with a clean paper towel
or cloth, then push it back in all the way.
Remove it again, keeping the tip down,
and check the level.
I couldn’t believe my ears when he said to check oil you first run it for a little bit absolutely no logic. Why does the oil have to circulate before you check it. I think he must be confused with checking oil level after oil change maybe but still would have to let it sit for a long enough time before checking.
Every Chevy car I had burned oil. But every Honda and Toyota I've owned didn't burn oil
GM also uses low tension piston rings. If it takes a couple extra cases of oil over 200k miles, I'm ok with it since I've seen multiple 5.3 V8's with well over 200k on them which still show faint honing cross hatch in the cylinders, and it's because of the low tension rings. Cadillac Northstars were acceptable using 1 qt/1000 miles 25 years ago, but on them it went out the tailpipe, sides of the block, and main seals. A lot of them used more coolant than oil too.
Lot's of those 5.3's that grenade at low miles.
There’s no reason to burn that much oil except Poor manufacturing. Cylinder honing is a science. It’s not that hard to make a good piston and rings that seal. If my 5.7 tundra with 0-20 oil cannot burn a drop of oil so can the other manufacturers.
@@icehog2367 I've owned 5 of them and they've all been great. Several friends and relatives had them too, for a lot of miles, and I never heard of a catastrophic failure from anyone. I'm sure there are those who had an issue, but there are millions and millions of them out there.
Unacceptable! So tired of the gm fanboys making excusing and ignoring all the crap gm shoved down their throats. And the newer 5.3’s with direct injection and cylinder deactivation will not even make it to 200k without major work and money. Sad because gm used to be great way back before the 2000’s.
@@ajmedeiros77 Yeah, optispark and TBI was awesome. I'd have a use for one of those small block V8's, but my boat already has an anchor.
The service bulletin is complete nonsense. A new engine should never use that amount of oil. Great video Tim. Very informative!
You can include myself! I never heard of such a thing. I bought the diesel thinking that it would be my last vehicle. Def, oil, diesel! What the???😮
I’ve been in the auto business since the mid 70s and virtually every manufacturer has similar oil consumption specs. BMW wouldn’t address the issue unless you used more than a quart very 1000 miles.
Bingo.
It's not that the engine WILL use that much. It's just won't be considered a problem unless it exceeds that.
Yes! They set those specs to avoid warranty claims
My 2011 f150 with 3.7l and all prior v6 cars always held their oil level between oil changes. Almost no consumption ever!
I have had nothing but trouble out of mine. Been in the shop for 8 months. Numerous parts replaced.
You have 2500 miles on your truck, and you're just below the halfway mark on the dipstick, and GM over fills the new trucks by one quart. This isn't right. A new truck shouldn't be using any oil.
I love all the research you do and inside information you get. This channel is really informative considering I think the LZ0 will be in my next vehicle.
He has no idea what he's talking about
@@kwmiked But he's willing to learn.
@@kwmikedso he actually interviews the GM engineers who designed this motor. I wouldn't call him an expert on this truck but he's willing to connect with the CORRECT people to get the CORRECT answers. Far to many RUclipsrs claim they spoke to the manufacturer but don't have proof like an actual interview.
@Cory Delbiondo kinda like when Polaris engineers told me at a early release ride that only few got to go to, asked why no 128in track? They said why would u want a 128, that's the worst of both worlds, it's in-between a 120 and a 137, you'll feel every bump. Next season they came out with a 128 and claim it's the best thing since sliced bread 🤣 Can't believe shit your told from any Manufacturer! U learn by experience! Not from Talk
GM excuse built in so they can say “it’s normal…they all do it” crap. About the oil pan change. There goes your warranty
100% right ! Not if, but , when the engine blows up,,,,,Warranty “denied” aftermarket parts installed ! Bin there ! No Do !
On our farm equipment the engines come with a break in oil. Some engines need to run the break in oil longer to get broke in. We keep an eye on break in oil level then when it stops consuming it and so many hours we change to regular oil.
I had a 2021 LM2 diesel .... put 40,000 Miles on it .... I usually make it 1/2 way through an oil change and had to add a quart ...I had to pack a quart in a brand new truck ... because that crazy oil is impossible to find anywhere except the dealer.
I was like ... this is crazy --BUT loved the fuel mileage so much i bought a 2023 with the LM0 -- Just assuming GM would address the oil burning problem because its nuts! -- So far so good ... not burning oil (but I'm only 1/2 way to the first oil change) -- If you say they put an extra quart in at factory.... then my guess is this engine burns oil too.
I got the 2.7 turbo and very happy with it, I know people with 60-80 thousand miles no problem. The 2.7 tows over 9,000 pounds, no need to add DEF, oil change is about 50 dollars, no oil consumption. People say the 2.7 gets bad gas mileage. Its a full size truck with a 24 gallon fuel tank and getting over 450 miles per fill up, and if you do all highway your getting over 500. lets not forget trucks with v8 gets about 350 miles to a full tank and usually the tank size is about 30 gallons. The 3 liter diesel just to much to deal with oil consumption, adding DEF, over 100 dollars for oil change and over 100 dollars to fill up. yes the Diesel gets better gas milage but when you look at your annual cost for diesel, the 2.7 still is cheaper.
Good points on the 2.7. I own the 3.0 but would love to test the 2.7 n the real world. I don't tow more than 5-6,000 lbs so this may be a good option, just seems odd to put such a small motor (a powerfully small motor) in a full size truck, but heck it seems like a reasonable option based on your comparison. Are you lacking in any power or are you happy with it overall?
@@toddkovalcik332 I drove a 5.3. for many years and I can tell you that my 2.7 feels way better, more power, better gas mileage and tow more. let not forget is a 4 cylinder but the pistons are about the same size of the 6.2 V8,. so if you think about it, its a v8 chop in half with a turbo.
Being from Quebec Canada, been following you since you got your 2023 diesel. Got my 23 Silverado while waiting for my diesel Tahoe for 18 months. I was always aware that the overall costs of the diesel were more than those of a gas engine, since I will be towing a 3500 pounds RV. I wanted to have this great torque at lo rpm to make it fun towing. But know at .80$ a liter more than gaz, a lot of def when towing and a greater oil consumption, I will consider changing my tahoes order for a 6.2 gas. This way I will get the looks of the pipes, the sound, and most probably my order. Thx for all you put on the tube very much interesting.
5.3 and 6.2 have seeerious lifter issues
Yes I bought 2023 and the same thing. When I got to 4500 miles and checked the oil, it was low. Drove to the dealership show them. They did an oil change. Now I'm at 6400 miles and it's low on the dip stick again. I hope they come up with a fix for it. I've never heard of oil consumption. Enegineers messed up and put the letter out to cover their butts. Oil consumption..... Come on GM
I was the original owner of a 2007 Duramax LBZ and towed regularly a 24 foot toy hauler. I barely dropped below full in 7000 miles between oil change intervals using Shaffer's 9000 full synthetic diesel oil. I sold it after 85K miles and the oil consumption never changed.
You need to use Amsoil synthetic oil. This stuff stopped my Tundra from consuming 1 Quart a month. And use a Bypass Oil FIlter too. Great channel Tim!
Ah yes, the ever present ScamsOil posts.
The Dexos 2d 0W-20 is the same oil as Mobil 1 Delvac ESPx2 (fully synthetic and rated for diesel usage), and is a fantastic product. anyone suggesting something better, better come with some real data
@@BrianKrahmer Gale Banks who is a world-famous diesel engine builder uses Amsoil. Here is a video he did with a scientist at Amsoil. This should give you the proof you are looking for: ruclips.net/video/9rEGIB2F8qA/видео.html
Why not just keep adding that extra quart of oil that the factory used? You get extra capacity without spending money and labor on that pan?
A few years ago gm performance crate engines had consumption problems.. it was because they used low tension oil rings.. most hot rodders would take them apart and install standard tension oil rings and it fixed the problem....
Issue: Some 2018-2020 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 5.0L engine may exhibit excessive oil
consumption of greater than 1L (1 quart) in 4,800 km (3,000 mi) with no visible oil leaks. This may be due
to high intake manifold vacuum during some deceleration fuel shut off (DFSO) events resulting in oil being
pulled into the combustion chamber from the crankcase, valve guides, and positive crankcase ventilation
(PCV). To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to reprogram the powertrain control
module (PCM), install a new engine oil level indicator and change the engine oil and oil filter. The revised
PCM calibration reduces engine vacuum during some DFSO events.
This doesn't always work. It's a design flaw with the cylinder material, many 5.0 engines need replacing
If you're down a half quart since buying your truck, you've burned 1.5 quarts in 2400 miles (this factors in the extra quart from the factory). That's a lot of oil. Expect to add a quart of oil every 4 or 5 fillups.
Ya! Would you check my fuel & fill the oil ! LOL
My 6.6 used two quarts before the first oil change have 20000 on it now absolutely love it now hasn’t used a drop since short trips on break in a bit tough have patience it will be fine!
I have 45k on my 3.0 Duramax and don’t have any oil burning problems. I just checked my oil and after 4,800 miles since my last oil change, I am right at the halfway mark on the stick. I did add a quart of oil during and out west trip after towing our camper for about 3,000 miles.
Mercedes M series use a ton of oil and the customers are told this is normal. My friend had one and it used a quart a month. They said they would not fix it. It was in the usage range of the manufacturer specs. Probably only 700 or 800 miles per month.
I had my PCV valve replaced on the LM2 which fixed my oil consumption.
Perfect, just add a quart once it gets low and never change it.
I have many thoughts on this. The first is all the engines will burn even a tiny amount during the oil change schedule. The number that they gave you was the number for maximum allowable Burn. They aren’t stating that that much. Burn is necessarily normal but that’s within range. I questioned that once on a board I had and that’s what they told me I still was not happy about it.
1 quart every 2000 miles is actually a high standard these days. Toyota and others are saying 1 quart every 1200 miles is "normal". Guys complaining about using a quart between oil changes haven't been paying attention to all the lawsuits and complaints about oil consumption coming from every manufacturer (Toyota, Honda, Subaru, MB, BMW, Ford, GM, etc)
Toyota had a similar problem ~ 12-15 years ago in their 4 cylinder gas engines. My neighbor has one of those cars and he went thru the "oil consumption analysis" goat rope with his Toyota dealer a couple of times,... but his car didn't burn enough oil to warrant an engine change-out .....so they told him too bad so sad...deal with it!!! He told me this story earlier last year and I said why don't you try some Marvel Myster Oil in the crankcase and give it a few thousand miles to see if that helps the oil consumption issue. It seems to have worked for my 2005 E320 diesel as it burned oil and I usually had to add a quart between changes. Ever since I have been using MMO in it though, the oil consumption issue has abated and it no longer burns any oil. Well,...low and behold after ~ 4000 miles, his car no longer burns ANY oil and he is happier than pig in a warm mud puddle on a cold day! MMO doesn't work quickly, it will take 5,000 to 10,000 miles to do its' optimum effect, but for $8 a quart at Wally world, if I were you I would invest $16 and put a quart in your truck right in the parking lot and do the same thing with the second quart at your next oil change and by the time the oil change after that rolls around, I believe you will notice a significant reduction in your truck's appetite for engine oil. I use MMO in everything I have from lawnmowers, motorcycles and all my cars and trucks...it works.
I'm totally going to check mine to compare to your results! Very similar miles on my truck. Climate will definitely be a factor I'm imagining.
I have been watching your videos too. I have the f150 3.0 diesel and love it. Wish Ford didn’t cancel it.
I have a 2022 that I didn’t take delivery on until first of November. I have 4k on the clock now and oil is still on top hash mark. I don’t think they all use oil and yes I watch your channel also!
4.6 toy tundra 2010 never added oil
Never added oil???? You better get an oil change asap! :P
That is not a diesel. Diesels do tend to use a bit more oil than gas engines, but not usually this much...
I have never heard of an aftermarket oil pan for a non performance build, that’s horrible.
I'm wondering how the change from aluminum pistons on the LM2 to steel pistons on the LZ0 is going to play out. Steel piston on LZ0 is shorter than LM2 probably due to weight. I think the rod is longer too which pushes the wrist pin closer to the top.
What does that do?
They were made out of steel so they could be made smaller while not crumbling apart. Tiny weight penalty, but it also allows them to run a longer rod for a better rod ratio, and that means less side loading on the cylinders and more power transfer to the crank. less wear and better power.
Out on the farm we have some Cummings engines in some of our equipment and the semi we drive they are very noted to use some oil before the 100 hour mark to change the oil. I’ve heard the Detroit diesel engine in semi’s is a big user of oil. I don’t know it first hand I’ve only heard about. Some diesel do use some oil before the oil change and some don’t use a lick. The 6.6 in the full size can that I have is pretty good with not needing to add any before the oil change.
Owned 2 - 3.0 Dmax trucks and neither one consumed any oil whatsoever. Even when I tow my RV it doesn’t burn any oil. For those who do burn oil, that sure beats having your 5.3 or 6.2 lifters and cams destroyed prematurely!!!
See this is why manufacturers don't put diesels in trucks that reg people drive that don't know what they are talking about. Most diesels burn oil for thousands of miles until broken in, Even CAT and Cummins engines burn oil up till 50k miles plus till ring a are seated, some closer to 100k, they use to say they are just broken in at 100k 🤷♂️ Most people nowadays don't keep these trucks to a 100k nor load them and work them to break them in sooner, so someone who just drives it around like a car will generally see oil consumption and think it's burning oil, something is wrong.
It is settled then, 5w30 it is!!! You should try running 5w30 and see the difference in oil consumption, I bet it will be noticeably different vs the 0w20 piss
void your warranty from not using the specified oil, great idea!
That is definitely a lot of oil usage for 2,500 miles. I'd immediately blame low friction rings. I'd hate to think what this engine will be like with 100k+ miles.
Last year i did the oil pan upgrade ,it was super hard to do ,having a 4x4 truck makes everything so impossible and time consuming,but that was my goal making sure i had enough oil when towing my rv.
You had to put a bigger oil pan on to pull your camper? On a new truck? Ouch...
No that is not the correct way to check your oil. Check the oil 1st thing in the morning before you start it up. And then after that, let the truck get up to operating temperature and then let it sit for approximately 2 to 3 minutes and then check it again. If you start it up (“COLD”) the oil is thicker win oil is cold and you will check the oil and it will show low because it takes a lot longer for the oil to come back to the pan when the engine is cold. It gives you a higher risk of a false oil level reading and you possibly overfilling your engine with oil and could cause damage.
Mfg for years have had acceptable standards for oil use or burn in 90’s acceptable oil consumption of 1quart per 1,000 miles
My 2006 Silverado 1500 used a quart every 3000 miles new and was using a quart every 2000 by 25,000miles.. I never had a car/used that much before. My 2016 F150 has 60,000 miles now and it's still full at 7500 mile oil changes and I tow a 7600lb travel trailer with it several times a year.
I was thinking about one of these but I’ll have too pass that’s ridiculous new engine using oil.
Weird that it uses that much oil. The Toyota diesels overseas that I am used to in the Hilux or Land Cruisers use a bit of oil in the first 1000km and after that it is negligible. There was never a need to add oil in between services. Makes me think these engines have a manufacturing problem... Edited - service intervals were 10,000km on the newer diesels.
I don’t think it’s meaning to say it will be guaranteed use that much oil, simply that anything below that threshold is considered “normal” consumption. I’d bet many owners will have no consumption and even more will have some but not enough to likely notice before their next scheduled oil change. At least that’s how I’ve seen similar vehicles being treated through online forums and such.
@@ALMX5DP What is Normal ? To me (with all the adjectives in the English language ) Normal to me,,,means “all” will burn oil ,,,not some ! LOL Remember the 5.7 L Olds diesel , junk,,so is this engine,,,you watch ! BOOM !
@@fredwalker839 normal simply means what the factory will ignore if a customer comes in with a complaint. Anything below and a dealer wont be able to do any warranty work, anything above will be authorized for repair or replacement.
My 2022 GMC with 3.0 LM2 doesn't use a drop between 5K oil change intervals. From my research I've found no documentation showing they are overfilled by a quart from the factory. I know mine was not.
I don't understand why it is eating oil. My freightliner truck has a Detroit 14L engine. Changing oil every 25000mls. Oil level never goes down between changes. And I'm usually pulling 60000lbs. That is trailer plus load.
Toyota, had issues with their 2.4 4cl that drank oil. We had a rav4 that would go through 4qts in between oil changes.
I've got 4,800 miles on my 2023 Silverado 3.0 Duramax. It hasn't burned any oil at all.
Just wait a couple years until these engines are getting replaced under warranty and GM will say “you never checked the oil”. Warranty void
In my Corvair, I would put a quart of oil in and then check the oil. Every morning.
I don’t think the service bulletin says it WILL use that much oil, it just says that much oil loss is considered “normal”. Which every company says the same thing - I think Chrysler even went down to 750mi/qt at one time when they had the crappy minivan V6s in the Wranglers.
It would be interesting to see if you do burn oil, though that might be difficult to really notice if you’re going to install that aftermarket pan.
It's called 0w-20... Quit using it. It's for fuel economy to please EPA. Use 5w-30 and oil consumption will not be a problem.
... lol now that I think about it, GM is actually thinking about the end user, I mean look at it this way, you wont need to shell out the hefty price for regular oil service ... you just keep adding every 1,000 to 2,000 miles
but all joking aside I still like the truck ( test drove one the other day back to back with V8 and 4cyl ) and was really impressed about this motor.
@@PKDesigns2011 OK,,, all joking aside also,,,, have you “EVER” heard of a manufacturer “ add one for the road ? I’ve bought +/- 20 new GM ‘s over my life,,,,,, never have one “for the road!” Was going to order my Retirement 3.0 Silverado,,,not now,,, my last 5 Duramax Chev’s drank 1/2 every 10L oil change ! Something smells rotten in Denmark,, from the Get- Go ! Why now ! Soon to go boom, just like the early 3.0L Rams !
I have a 21 Silverado LM2 mine stopped using oil after my first oil change at 5k miles. I now have 22k miles and tow a 34 foot travel trailer in the summer and still didn't use any oil.
I was a GM auto tech for 15 years at a small GMC Buick dealer. I can't tell you how many pistons and rings I did on 5.3 liter and 2.4 liter engines. GM has always considered 1 quart every 2000 miles (within range). I have a 2011 Tacoma with 130,000 miles on it that maybe burns 1/4 a quart in 3 to 4 thousand miles.
I had a 2008 Tacoma for 10 years, front pads and changed the oil, that’s it, best truck ever.
GM also has a history of leaky rear mains
Some burn oil some don't. All depends on the type of piston and ring used and even the bore clearance does to the cross hatch. Big Diesels will use a gal in 10k mi around a 100k mi they stop using oil and roughly use 1/2gal or less in 10k mi
Hmmm. My ‘16 Tahoe 5.3 uses no oil in 7,000 mile oil change interval. It only has 134,000 mi though. My 09 Tahoe had 190,000 mi and was using about 1/2 quart in 7,000 mi when we sold it to a family member. It has 330,000 on it now, still original engine and transmission, no issues.
@@jrwstl02 it's a has motor with half the compression 🤦♂️
I know a man that threw his valve cover cap away and screw in funnel, when engine went to clattering he threw in 4 quarts
I know not a truck but I have a 2010 Kia Sportage with 2.7 ltr V6 . Change oil every 10,000 Klm with Super Tech 5W20 Synthetic oil and never have to add between changes . Might be down 1/2 quart . Presently has 621,000 klms on it .
Damn that’s wild them dpf are gonna be shat real quick 😂
I don't know if that's gonna work if the oil Pan is wider it might work but if it's deeper the oil pick up is not gonna be in its place where it needs to be and those 2 Extra quarts of oil isn't gonna matter
You stated that this truck is not using much oil yet based on the statement provided by GM, it has in fact, used 1.5 quarts. Your oil level check revealed the engine is .5 quarts low and with the 1.0 quart overfill, that is a lot of oil usage for a brand new engine. Sounds like another GM engine issue they are trying to talk there way out of.
MY2020 LM6 with 40k miles uses 1qt between oil changes of 7500 miles. Mainly highway driving at 70mph or less.
Porsche Cayenne says 1 quart every 600 miles is acceptable. In the owners manual.
I hate vehicles that burn excessive oil, no excuse for it unless your towing heavy loads at higher speeds. My L5P Duramax burns a half quart of oil between 5K mi oil changes, even when towing. I find this totally acceptable? But 2-3 quarts between changes is totally unacceptable. I was really interested in this truck with the 3.0 Duramax but not now, I had oil burners in the past, a 2013 Honda Accord and a 1988 Chevy Blazer, both GM and Honda refuse to fix the problem so no more Honda's, GM on the other hand has other vehicles that interest me.
Interesting. I’m on our 5th oil change and other then checking when I leave the dealer I have never checked again lol. Maybe I should start.
Your comment about the def fluid. I swear there is something wrong with my truck. I’m burning through 10 L of def a month. My 2017 Cummins burned through 10 L a year.
May have dirty EGR valve
It’s like “you have the poops “ you need more toilet paper ! Your engine is burning oil & needs more re-gens to clean ! Thus more DEF fluid ! LOL think of your poor EGR system,,,,soon to plug up,! Watch,,, then,,,, BOOM ! Needs a Motor ! No warranty,,, Driver abuse ! LOL
On every diesel engine we own I've NEVER seen where it said to start it then check oil. Of course it's gonna show low until it all drains down. Check it after sitting 30mi or a hr and see where it reads
The oil consumption numbers are maximum… as in we won’t replace your engine unless it exceeds this amount. Doesn’t mean that they WILL use oil. Just covering their butts on engine replacements. Have almost 50k on 2 LM2’s. They haven’t been using oil.
I change my oil on my 2021 LM2 at the dealership every 5,000 miles and it isn't using any oil between changes. I check the oil on the dipstick after the truck sits overnight and it's always on the full mark.
Any oil consumption is to much on a brand new vehicle. Idc what the manufacturer says this isn't normal. You should drain your oil at oil change interval and measure what you have left. So at 1qt per 2000 miles. Your saying at 8,000 miles your gonna burn 4qt of oil? That is absolutely insane for this to be "nornal".
Jesus. I have a 97 chevy k1500, it's always burned oil since I got it and I sometimes have to change the plugs on #6 and #4 because they get fouled, have no plans of fixing it because it's a cheap truck. It burns a little less than 1 qt every 2k miles. I guess it's actually brand new! Sweet.
if your truck came with one quart over the full mark, and 2400 miles later its at half quart low. it seems like the oil consumptions is more than expected.
Wow, up to 1 quart/1000 when towing???
My past and current trucks have been miserly with engine oil.
My 2016 EcoDiesel 3L turbo diesel consistently used an UNDETECTABLE amount of oil when I towed my family travel trailer in-state (400 mile each way) and on longer multi-state trips. It used 10W-40 though.
My current truck for towing a larger travel trailer, '21 Nissan Titan XD, 5.6L gasoline, 0W-20 oil) used one half of a quart last summer over 3500 miles towing, the 2500 miles sightseeing and another 1000 miles between trailer trips. And there were days into the head-wind that were HARD towing. I was (happily) surprised at how little oil the Titan used.
Maybe GM is setting an expectation for 'worst case consumption' ?
apparently some do, but i did thousands of miles of towing (2k-8k#) on my previous oil change (2021 LM2 Sierra), with no detectable loss of oil
Whether GM says it’s normal or not this would still be a deal breaker for me. I average 20-25k miles a year with 10k or so of that towing our rv. It’s not a massive rv so a 1/2 ton is fine, but I can’t imagine having to add oil 1-2 times a month. My current ‘21 F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost might loose 1/2 a quart over a 7500 mile oil change interval.
Adding an aftermarket oil pan is fine, but imo a mfg selling a truck that can’t make an oil change interval at regular service let alone severe use without adding oil is bs.
100% ! After me owning 5 Duramax Chev’s, I am to retire, that was what I was to buy,,,,,,,NOT NOW !
they don't all do it. it's just their cop-out
@@BrianKrahmer I agree, I'm sure they don't all do it, but it really sucks when your truck uses that much oil.
My 21 Silverado with the 3.0l used only half between factory and first oil change.