One extra note, every champion has a champion ability; Daruk’s protection, Urbosa’s fury, Mipha’s grace, and Revali’s gale. It is hinted that Link, being a champion, also has an ability- the power to slow down time- using bullet time and flurry rushes. This is hinted at when Teba watches you shoot to see if you’re worthy of battling Vah Medoh. He notes “it’s as if time slowed with every arrow you fired”, and in Mipha’s diary she noted that even when Link was young, he was an amazing swordsman, and also noted that time seemed to slow with each hit. This is clearly talking about bullet time and flurry rush, which means link is the only person who should be capable of this, but in Age of Calamity, everyone can!
A few ideas concerning Hestu. 1) He does state in BotW that no one has been able to see him for 100 years, implying he's at least that old, so his presence isn't TOO crazy. 2) Obviously the monsters CAN see him, as a couple Bokoblins stole his maracas in BotW.
Oooh yeah good point about the maracas! It's still a bit vague to me what the exact rules are regarding the Koroks. I was under the impression that they are only visible to very specific people. But maybe they can willingly choose to show themselves in some occasions? And monsters are obviously an exception from "normal people". Thanks for sharing! I totally forgot they stole his beloved instruments haha
The other thing is that when you watch the cutscene he first appears in, the Champions and even Link clearly can't see him. They hold an entire conversation with him dancing around right beside them and don't notice him. Its not until Zelda sees him and reacts that any of the others do. I think the scene was making it clear that they couldn't see him until Zelda (who could be considered pure-hearted) did, and only then saw him because they saw her react to something and believed that something had to be there. The soldiers with her actually turn and react a little after she stops talking in surprise, and Link hurries back to her side to possibly defend her from this thing that's seemingly just appeared.
@@MonsterMaze Nope, koroks cannot choose wether they are visible or not. For example, in botw Hestu is happy when he meets Link because it's the first time in 100 years that someone sees him
@@MonsterMaze that is true. I just replayed the mission after watching your video, and it's gone. It flows seamlessly without it, so it must've been an easy edit.
I enjoyed AoC but it was clear from early on it was entirely disconnected from BotW. I think its true value was its depiction of pre-Calamity Hyrule, and I think it would be more interesting to talk about the Hyrule depicted in the game measuring up against Hyrule in BotW. There are some loose comparison videos on the maps out there, but AoC also takes quite a few liberties with how towns looked, what the culture would have been like, etc.
I agree, my favorite part of AoC was just being able to see what the ruins looked like before they were ruins. In that regard, I think the game did a great job for the most part- Castle Town, Hyrule Outpost / Gatepost Town, Mabe Village, and the others all look and feel really cool- I just hope we get to see Deya, Tabantha, and Maritta in addition to Kakariko & Goponga in the DLC...
@@Zinkolo I mean, if handled well, an ending can move from feeling obvious to feeling like an impending eventuality. Doc Ock is introduced in the 2018 game with the classic villain imagery, wreathed in shadows and ominous music, only to show how very unlike Ock Octavius starts out as. We all know that he has to become a villain by the end, but his relationship with Peter makes us dread the final turn all the more. All of that said, I still love AoC regardless. The music and cutscenes were worth the price of admission for me alone. I never really minded that it skewed from Canon, even if it would've been an amazing and heart wrenching event to go that way, but I think the initial plan for this game was to show how things could've been very different, if not for Terrako being present.
Here is another thing. In the DLC Cutscene from BotW Mipha asks Zelda who the other Champions are. Zelda lists everyone including the legendary Hero Link. But in AoC Mipha is already with the other Champions, without anyone knowing who the Hero is.
@@martinhawes5647 key word is "should." But it wasn't for whatever reason. Nothing in age of calamity lines up with botw's actual timeline. Even before the split. Everything documented in botw states events vastly different than what happens in AOC.
I have a mini theory on Terrako's images, maybe he briefly connected to some Network to gather the images. The Calamity sensed its presence in the network and sent that stalker to destroy it
I was thinking the same thing! It seems possible that the guardians could be connected to a type of “cloud” network that Terrako automatically has access to since he is a guardian
@@MonsterMaze i believe you said hateno village wrong ..its not pronouced ..(ha-tay-no) its pronounced.. (ha-tea-no) there has been internet polls on this i know you may not have known that
The Tech Lab location mistake was actually patched when DLC Wave 1 came out, they completely cut out the words "in Hateno." There were a few other small changes like that, that's the only one that stood out to me
I'm mildly surprised the Master Sword thing wasn't mentioned. Like, I get it from a gameplay perspective; you don't just give your players one of the strongest weapons in the game right off the bat, but it does contradict some things from BotW, like Mipha's diary, and how it changes the relationship dynamic with Link and Zelda. But if I had to guess, that's probably a dead horse that's been beaten several times over by multiple people, so I could see how that may not have ended up on the list.
I don't think it changes their relationship too much. Prior to him getting it she has a more generic relationship with him like she would with any other knight. After he gets it is when her frustrations really start to arise. Much like she does on Vah Naboris with Link, Urbosa counsels Zelda to aid their relationship. She helps her to see that nothing changed with him, all while he is eating rocks with the boys (one of my favorite scenes).
Most likely explanation is they go get the Master Sword sooner because they now had concrete proof the Calamity was coming and SOON. So it bumped up their schedule and changed events. And it doesn't contradict Mipha's diary so much as make it so it doesn't happen in this timeline. It can't be the more laid back traveling they did in the original story, they were on crunch.
Ok, so the thing with terrako MIGHT be able to be explained away by him being able to kind of access a "shared cloud save" database of images from other guardians. Also it takes purah and robbie to be able to extract the images. Maybe terrako can't do it himself. And they don't really have time to do so later on.
Additionally, he is configured to work with the guardians in the future. Maybe it would be impossible to access that kind of remote viewing in age of calamity. Or at the very least the range would be limited and not able to be used to spy on the movements of most guardians.
Wait, no mention of how Link actually drew the Master Sword when he was a kid in BotW's lore while in AoC he finds it halfway through the story? I thought for sure that would be #1!
I can certainly understand why people were disappointed with AOC's story, especially in light of Nintendo deceptively marketing it as a direct prequel to BOTW. That said, to me at least it was pretty clear from the start that AOC was never going to be a faithful recreation of BOTW's original timeline. Considering the most exciting thing that happened to Mipha was her and Link fighting off a single Lynel while preparing for the Calamity, things would obviously need to be changed for a musou style game. I mean, surely Link and co regularly fighting off hundreds of Bokoblins, Moblins, and Yiga members pre-calamity would've made it into at least one of his memories or someone's journal. Also considering the fact that Calamity Ganon basically blindsided Hyrule and took out the champions and a lot of the soldiers before they were fully prepared to fight back I don't think there would've been much of a game in a fully accurate depiction of the timeline. All of which was why I was expecting some timeline shenanigans going into AOC. That's probably why I'm not soured on the game like many others. I can totally understand where people are coming from, because the game certainly could've been better, but I saw a lot of warning signs in advance so I was mentally prepared. People probably would've been happier if AOC wasn't a musou game (and had a stable frame rate lol) since it would've stuck closer to BOTW's timeline, but I still think what was got was fun overall. Still, it's a shame that the game is simply good, and not great.
I totally agree with you. An alternate timeline was the only choice they had to make the story and gameplay the best it could be. They shouldn't have marketed the game the way they did. Imo right when it was anounced they should have at least hinted at time travel (like a scene in the trailer where it's Terrako going back through time). Personnaly I wasn't disapointed because I knew there would be time travel for a while before the release. It was confirmed with the demo and I even spoiled myself by looking at the datamined assets from the demo and later the full game. But I still very much enjoyed it. Playing this game, but above all the hype and theorizing before the release was some of the best experiences I had among the Zelda community.
Oh yeah I totally agree with your point ^^. Although I was a bit disappointed, at the end of the day I'm definitelty not bothered by it that much. I enjoyed the game and then moved on. It wasn't the game I hoped it would be, but hey... there's always a next game. BotW2 *hint hint*
The deceptive marketing is what really got to me. I wouldn't have been happy knowing right away that it wasn't going to be a direct prequel. But I would have been less disappointed. Certainly it wouldn't have been easy to make the game with only working with purely faithful events. But they sure as heck could have tried. The Champions had their titles. So it wouldn't be a terrible stretch to have Mipha and others getting into more fights than we knew about in Breath of the Wild. It's a prequel. You can add details that weren't known in the original story. Not every memory Link ever had made it into Breath of the Wild. Anything new in the prequel would just be more of that. I can understand trying to logic out why they went the way they did with this story. But in no way do I buy that this was the only way to do it. That they couldn't possibly have made a good game that was basically Crisis Core for Zelda. In the end though it is what it is. A decent game that could have been great. Happens all the time unfortunately. Played it, had a pretty decent time overall, and probably won't go back to it.
6:16 this is actually Chinese. And it didn't tell the location of the tech lab, it just says Zelda is curious about the guardian and she takes link and impa to visit an ancient tech lab. But I'm pretty sure Chinese version is translated from Japanese version
I think the worst mistake was that they completely ignored the fact that link obtained the master sword when he was 12. Like they completely retconed something so important
@@LivingBasement Same reason why Link had to get the Master Sword again before the events of TOTK despite already having it during BOTW. If I recall correctly, the Master Sword is only really unsheathed by the Hero to use to fight against the darkness aka Link gets the sword to fight Ganon and when he's done he has to put it back cuz like what else would he need it for + probably one of those cases where because it's such a powerful relic, it can't just be given to anyone willy nilly so it's only supposed to be used when truly needed
@@Lexicon865 then he wouldn’t have pulled the sword in the first place, if link already had the sword then he wouldn’t put it back until the the calamity was slain
About the pictures on terrako, I would say they are pictures of the other guardians but from a cloud or something like this. But he can't see through their eyes in this timeline. No connection to the cloud maybe?
Plausible. I mean everything said in the video was valid, but when it comes to warning characters about stuff and/or using the information to plan for a battle, Terrako doesn't have much range of communication.
10:05 My take on Hestu being seen by multiple people including Revali is that he is able to decide who sees him. It isn’t that far fetched, since Urbosa doesn’t notice Hestu until after Zelda sees him, then everyone else notices him after Urbosa and Zelda see him, since Hestu decided to let them see him. When it comes to how the secondary antagonists and monsters can see Hestu, the only thing I can say that would make the most sense is that somehow, Ganon’s dark power was able to allow those not pure of heart to see Koroks. That’s really the only plausible explanation.
I just see AOC as a fanfiction of BOTW, like nintendo went "wouldn't it be cool if...." and made a whole game about it. I don't see any part of the game as canon
A great video, but there's another big lore inconsistency between Botw and AoC. In Creating a Champion, it is said that Botw Link first gained the Master Sword when he was a young teenager, but as we can see in AoC, clearly that isn't the case. I feel like that one isn't really excusable, the writers just didn't do the proper homework when writing the story. So technically, the timeline split isn't based on whether Terrako travels through time, but whether or not Link pulls the Master Sword as a young teen lol
If you know how Nintendo operates with lore, it's that they will override the books in favor of the games. Did you know that prior to Ocarina of Time, ALTTP Link was supposed to be the very first hero of Hyrule? And that there was no hero that came before him? Yeah, Ocarina of Time decided screw ALTTP's original backstory, let's put Link into the past and have him fight Ganondorf.
It's really impressive how fast people forgot about this game. It was released with a pretty big amount of hype but after about 3 months it seems everyone just forgot about it. It's really interesting, actually. I guess that's what happens when you advertise something as something it's not. I feel like since it's an alternate timeline and doesn't really have much to do with the mainline BOTW story, people just didn't care. I think the little amount of fanfare for the previous DLC trailer from the direct is proof of this. It's sad, really. (Though I am pretty excited to see that cutscene of Link teaching Zelda how to ride the Master Cycle. Even though It doesn't really make sense considering that Link never actually got it in the AOC timeline, and it was Zelda's from the start. Oh well. This game doesn't really make sense anyway.)
I believe the cause of most of AoC's problems is the marketing. We were lead to believe that AoC was going to be a prequel to BotW and not some alternate timeline. I would say most people(myself included) bought the game for that reason. To see the whole story of the Great Calamity. Instead we got a story about a time traveling robot creating a new timeline. Like we need more of those, am I right?
I have never played AoC was gonna get to it (maybe) after finally beating BOTW (only recently got a Switch myself and stuff) Is it.. not a prequel? Like the past is "The Great Calamity" and so.. the Age of Calamity has to be that era.. right?
@@elitegamer9310 So they hype up "the great calamity" in BOTW, tease us with the name of AoC and then just say "ya no you don't get to see that cool thing we thought up, we just wanna do something else"
The marketing certainly is a factor, but there are several moments of poor story telling and plot holes throughout Age Of Calamity. The biggest example of which being Terrako removing all of the stakes from the story. It starts off fine with the protagonists preparing for imminent disaster, only to suddenly find themselves facing extraordinary odds. However, it's not good story telling to have them suddenly be saved (multiple times) by the magic bullshit device when there has been zero buildup or explanation to the solutions.
Maybe Terrako couldn't act as a spy during the game because he needs to be within a certain range of the other Guardians to connect with them. The Guardian that attacked him in the study was probably close enough to make that connection. And thus might have been the source of those images.
in a series that explicitly has multiple timelines why is this so hard for people to grasp, even after both Techmo and Nintendo have said these are the events of the last calamity. Maybe now that TotK is very clearly not in the same timeline Botw. The Sheikah tech did not just get cleaned up it straight up does not exist. I would hate the Zelda timeline if i was Nintendo because the fans just decide what they take as canon based on how much they like it. If you think Nintendo had 0 oversight and was just fine with AoC changing so much about the history of BotW you are kidding yourself, it was clearly intentional.
Another plot hole is the King completely forgetting who Terrako was. Zelda understandably most likely forgot about it due to the trauma of it being taken away at the time, etc but how could the King not remember? Plus why did he stick it in a box in Zelda's room of all places where she'd have probably happened upon it accidently during rummaging/tidying up at any time during the intervening years?
Is it really that weird that King Rhoam forgets about Terrako? After all, it was just a toy of Zelda for him. (He even called Terrako like that in a cutscene.) This would also somewhat explain why he (unintentionally?) puts it back in Zelda's room: He just forgets Terrako's importance to Zelda (I mean, how long was it since he took Terrako away from Zelda: 10, 11, 12 years?). After Zelda had awakened her powers and defeated Calamity Ganon, she could've had Terrako back (because the pressure was gone), I assume was the King's thinking.
7:32 Uhhh you're telling me you noticed that in your first playthrough??? I didn't even know about that little detail until watching this. I for one think its a clever way of foreshadowing what happens.
6:14 is the Chinese version of the script, which says "Having great interest in the mysterious guardian, Zelda, accompanied by Impa and Link who serves as a bodyguard, headed for the ancient research facility where Purah's crew reside." No mention of Hateno, which is correct.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that in Masterworks, it is stated that Link got the master sword when he was around 12-13, which means that he should've had it long before Terrako arrived. You did bring up several issues that I hadn't even thought of though, so this was a fun watch
The super soakers look like it was taken away from the land and put onto the Zora Devine beast. I say this because that Devine Beast is the only one that involves water would have made it into a weapon if the sheikah were to install it after it was discovered. Impa could have ordered it done once she saw it.
You know, looking back on the opening of AoC, it makes me really wish there was a full on civil war between the corrupted guardians and a few stragglers that Ganon's malice hadn't managed to touch at first, kinda like the Helicarriers turning on each other at the end of Captain America: Winter Soldier
Lore mistakes in Age of Calamity? Well, you-know-who in the Discord server is going to have a field day with this video. Every regular who joined The Maze should know who I'm talking about.
I get the point but I was honestly so happy with the direction the story took. I expected a very dark depressing game where in the end everyone failed but I love that we have this alternate timeline where, to quote a Doctor Who episodes, "Just this once, everybody lives!" and it's a happy end. Leave the darkness to BotW2 and I hope we'll get a good serving of that in the sequel.
Yeah, I understand stand not liking time travel shennanigans but, it's already a spinoff game which story takes place in a closed off time loop, like Persona Q. So, wondering whether or not Terrako or Astor is canon is the same as wondering if Linkle or Cia are canon. I wish they were but I doubt they'll be seen again.
theres also the fact that in BoTW Link is stated to have pulled the master sword when he was pretty young, like early teens if I remember correctly. But in AoC he hasn't pulled it yet
That’s actually one of the points that the game explained, so Ganon travel with terrako and conquest the wood so link can’t have the Master Sword and just stay as a normal soldier, that’s a clue that tell us that terrako travel many years to the past and in the dlc this is 100% confirmed, there are more plot errors but hey It’s Zelda in every game there are plot holes Like TO and OoT with the castle, the desert, skull kids, the master Sword, etc. at least AoC has the excuse of time travel.
I loved AoC and its story, the alternate timeline allowed for a great scenario. In my opinion Dorephan's scar isn't the only thing wrong with him, his character model should also look 100 years younger. The "Hateno tech lab" bit is only in the English version. It's not the only mistake in this localization, far from it. The biggest mistake imo is that they slightly changed a sentence in the beginning. It's a small change but it has big concequences as it explain that we're in an alternate timeline right from the start. (I saw people being confused by the scenario for far too long because of this when they started). In the tapestry scene it says "A tale of the Champions...", but it really should have been "This is the other story of the Champions..." Speaking of tapestry I don't think that's a mistake because in AoC, it's not meant to show the events of 10k years ago, there are some small changes such as Terrako, the pilots of the Divine Beasts and the castle which now has the color of present day Hyrule Castle. I appreciate the "mistakes" in this video's text segments EDIT: I'm glad you didn't mention the Master Sword, too many people still talk about it, but it doesn't contradict the lore.
@@alexsans5293 TLDR: Master Works was written before DLC 2 came out, DLC 2 debunks Master Works' hypothesis Keep in mind that the "Link got the Master Sword at 12" theory came from Master Works, it's not something from the game. In BOTW we simply don't know. Mipha's diary from the Champion's Ballad is the only time that there is a mention of Link getting the Master Sword (in a way). But I think a lot of people misinterpret it because they have Creating a Champion's explanation in mind. So let's analyze it quickly. Mipha's diary is structured this way: Page 1- Mipha meets Link for the first time, he is 4 years old Page 2- Vah Ruta is excavated Page 3- Link comes back to the domain. Mipha notes that he has changed a lot. He is a knight of the royal guard now and he has the Master Sword. Link is also taller than her. Page 4- Zelda came to ask Mipha to pilot the Divine Beast Page 5- Link slays the Lynel on Ploymus Mountain Page 6- King Dorephan agrees to let Mipha pilot Vah Ruta Page 7- Inauguration ceremony at Hyrule Castle Page 8- Mipha finished the Zora armor for Link We have no idea how much time has passed between two pages but we can guess for some of them. For the first two we know that the Divine Beasts weren't yet excavated when Link was 4, but they were before Zelda was 6. Assuming Zelda and Link are more or less the same age (but Link is a little older) the time between these entries can range from a few months up to a max of 2 years. For the five last pages it can be a couple of weeks or sometimes only a few days between each entries. The one we can't be sure about is the third one. That's why I said that AOC doesn't contradict BOTW's lore. Mipha talks about Link as if she hasn't seen him in a long time. And now Link is already in the royal guard (I don't think a 12 year old would be accepted, even one as skilled as Link), he is also taller than her. This part of the lore is ambiguous enough that we can't know for sure when he got the sword, but we know that he wasn't 12 or 13. The authors of Master Works shared their own hypothesis, which at the time could have been true (Master Works came out in early december 2017, a week after the Champion's Ballad, so it was written without all of the details of the second DLC). However now we know a bit more about Link's past. I'll add that in AOC everything happens earlier because of Terrako. They go recruit the pilots of the Divine Beasts earlier. For example when they go to Zora's domain in AOC it's before page 3 of Mipha's diary in BOTW. Random thought: the delegation sent by the King probably came to Zora's Domain to talk about the research of the Sheikah tech and the Divine Beasts.
Considering how zora age, 100 years might not make a noticable difference for a senior citizen. Sidon went from ~ age 5 to ~ age 20 in 100 years and organisms tend to change faster when they're young.
@@angelo8606 Why does Mipha's diary contradict Link getting the Master Sword when he was 12 or 13 years old? Just because Mipha mentions the Master Sword and Link being a knight in the same entry, doesn't mean that these events took place at the same time. For example, Link and Mipha could have spent time together for the last time in a long while when he was 11 years old, then Link finds the Master Sword at age 12, becomes a knight at age 16, and shortly after visits Zora's domain for the first time since he was 11. Is there anything that contradicts this sequence of events?
I think the tapestry mistranslation was deliberate. Nintendo knew that the biggest marketing point for this game they had was that people thought it was a prequel.
Another thing I noticed was that characters like Impa, Robbie, and Purah were aged down for Age of Calamity because it takes place 100 years before BotW. HOWEVER, we also see Master Kohga in this game, but he is EXACTLY the same as he is in BotW. This implies that Kohga is, in fact, immortal.
Side note: I wonder if it's because of all the bananas? My new headcanon is that the Yiga Clan is obsessed with bananas because they make you immortal.
For Doraphan's scare, one idea could be: Because Terrako travelled back in time, everything changed (as per ripple effect aka "time travel shenanigans"), so maybe he got the same (or similar) scar from a completely different event because the Great Calamity doesn't play out in AOC like it does in BOTW. IRL reason: Yeah, just devs reusing the model.
On number 3; he is seen connecting to other non-corrupt guardians-one of the first corrupt ones you fight goes down because he taps into buried, broken ones all over the map to shoot it. And it makes a lot of sense for him to have grabbed a bunch of pictures from whatever guardian network there is; he woke up after a long nap/shutdown/whatever (and given how Rhoam seems to have intentionally not looked into ancient technology he's lucky the guy found an off button or whatever instead of accidentally breaking him), pings the network to look through all the other Guardians eyes to figure out WHY IS EVERYTHING ON FIRE AAAAHHH, then gets interrupted and jumps through time. In our current timeline, there's the corrupt version of Terrako hanging around; presumably his evil twin is forcing the corrupt guardians to connect to him instead, at least after Terrako managed to screw up its first murder attempt on Zelda by giving orders to Guardians. On Number 4, the Tapestry; I had not actually noticed the bonus Champions in the Age of Calamity tapestry.....I guess it could be a vision? There's been trippy visions as far back (narratively) as Skyward Sword. For number five, the Zonai Super Soakers-I suppose the monsters were pretty thorough about looting ancient tech? I mean the Ancient Tech Lab from images in this very video looks to have been almost literally looted to the bedrock. Also, giant magic sprinklers would explain why there's a great big jungle on the far side of the map from the Great Deku Tree.... I have now nitpicked and, arguably, un-nitpicked your nitpicks. Nitpickception!
About number 2. I think Terrako traveled to the past over and over again until he got it right. Which is why at the beginning we see a memory of Zelda saying "I must protect everyone!" which is something we never see Zelda say in the BoTW timeline. Plus in his memory Zelda was an adult when she said those words and yet in the BoTW timeline Terrako hadn't seen Zelda since she was a child.
Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this, but also the fact that Robbie’s ancient tech lab exists in Akkala when we know it was a repurposed lighthouse that became a lab after the Calamity is a big inconsistency that I remember griping about a lot when I was playing AoC.
I'm surprised that he never mentioned that Link drew the Master Sword at age four in BotW, but in Age of Calamity, he drew it when he was at his current age.
@@CouragelessOne age 12 13 is just a guess on the part of who ever was recording the records, all that's really known is that Link was already in possession of the sword for a number of years up to that point, so he might have been as young as 7 even.
Regarding Terrakos pictures, my guess is he is connected to some kind of "network" with all the other guardians, much like the towers and shrines are connected to a "Sheikah network". So those other pictures are snapshot of other guardians' POVs. As for why he doesn't use this ability later on in the game, well, it's because processing this data takes time. In that cutscene, Purrah and Robbie have only been able to recover a few pictures and it will take them much longer to recover the next "batch". Moreover, the 2nd DLC missions, which are all videos taken by Terrako, also take time to be processed by Purrah and Robbie. Considering the urgency of the situation as of the point where Terrako's "networking ability" would become useful, is it really that surprising that they wouldn't use it? To my knowledge, the Hateno tech lab mistake is only present in the English translation. At the very least I can confirm it isn't present in the French version. I never really thought about the super soakers, I assumed they had just conveniently been dropped there for some reason, they don't look to me like they've been there for long. Although Zelda comments on how they look similar to Ruta's mechanisms, maybe in the original timeline, these were collected and used for research on Ruta? I assume that the monsters, being supernatural creatures themselves, would be able to see Koroks despite not being pure of hearts. Is being "pure of heart" even a necessity? Creating a Champion only states that ordinary people cannot see them, and well, the Champions aren't ordinary. Although that doesn't explain how the soldiers can see him, maybe it's less that magical beings are invisible but rather "unoticeable" by ordinary people, until someone who CAN notice them point them out to others. After all, the dragons supposedly follow the same rule and they are still noticed by the Ritos in the Champions' Ballad DLC.
Thank you for making this. A lot of the plot holes and stuff you mentioned bothered me when I played through the game and I was really confused and frustrated because of it and so I wasn't sure if anyone else felt the same way.
1. Wow that is a nitpick, but also super correct. No contest. 2. The ability to gather data from other Guardians makes sense, as Harbinger Ganon also access things it should not be able to know. I can think of two reasons why Terrako would never use this to their advantage later: First off, how would he go about sharing any of the information he gained this way? He can't talk, and the Sheikah Slate only displayed the data it did after extensive experimentation by two scientists who are very busy with other things once the Guardians come online. The other reason is that Ganon probably uses this very data sharing network to maintain control over them, so Terrako might have cut itself off for safety. 3. That might just be a translation error. Those are known to happen in this series. The Breach of Demise itself is such an error. 4. That is a weird one to address but there is one point: Terrako is not a companion to this specific version of Zelda, it seems to have been built and become loyal for a previous incarnation as it is loyal to her again immediately after she first repairs it as a child. 5. It's very possible that in the 100 years between games, this area known for constant heavy rainfall flooded and carried the debris to some underwater location that Link is incapable of visiting in BotW. On the Hestu HM, if the "pure of heart" thing is ever mentioned in BotW it's probably in one of those literal rumor mill books that are not a reliable source for this. So, really, we don't know what determines who can see the Koroks, and its possible that the combination of wanting to be found and others wanting to find him allow him to be seen, and that he allows enemies to see him in order to draw fire. On the final point, I really don't see why people have such a problem with a fun "What If...?" scenario built around a very strong gameplay core, and why people feel the need to see it only as a prequel, a standard to which it will never hold because it was not designed to hold to it. I enjoyed BotW for its gameplay first and felt its story was very weak, but I enjoyed both the story and gameplay equally in AoC, although they could have been stronger with more development time.
The error about "Hateno tech lab" is entirely a translation/recording error, because I played the french version and it WAS the royal laboratory. So yeah that's the english version's fault. As for the tapestry one could argue that since this game's story is about winning and defeating the calamity, the tapestry is supposed to represent this new tale of victory which parallels to the 10 000years old one. Then again this point is deploy and utterly subjective and I'm not sure I even get the issue with it. The map one is a bit sad because what I loved a lot about Age of Calamity is roaming the levels' maps and seeing how things were 100 years before when they weren't destroyed, so yeah these inconsistancies are a bit disappointing. Oh well, for 95% of the the game did an incredible and detailed job, so that might be nitpicking, however it would've been cool if the temples you mentioned had been drawn as standing on the map.
One mistake that pisses me off to this day is not a story mistake, but more of a... UI mistake I guess? So Chapter 5-2, the episode where you meet up with Sidon and Yunobo to save Mipha and Daruk, takes place in the area in between Death Mountain and Zora's Domain, fitting for a venue that features the champion of each region. But the area in question is mistakenly referred to as the Lanayru Wetlands, the area directly West of Zora's Domain where the ruins of a civilization, a few large Lizalfos forts, and a lot of water can be found; players like to come here to use the bullet time cryonis trick to launch Guardians high in the air. The actual area where this takes place is the Eldin Canyon or more specifically the Maw of Death Mountain, where all those hot springs can be found before you make your way up Death Mountain. It's a bizarre mistake to make; especially since one of the earlier maps, Crenel Peak, has a lot more involvment from the Lanayru Wetlands, and there was even a DLC map that was even closer that was referred to as Goponga Village, that being the devastated village in the Lanayru Wetlands that is now in working form.
For the Terrako one, I have an idea. We only see it go into the time portal in its time, then emerge in Age of Calamity's Timeline. A simple solution could be that it went BACK in time to gather data on the situation, to then bring the data to the Champions.
About Hestu: In breath of the wild when he meets link he says: "Nobody has seen me for 100 years!!" If he was there when link first got the master sword, it would make sense.
The fourth “mistake” was not a mistake at all but rather a shortcut that you didn’t understand. They wanted to reuse old designs, so they used the tapestry. Notice how they actually added additional color to the guardians, inferring that they are already corrupted. The tapestry there is NOT the same one that impa has.
I was just mad about the prequel marketing, and it ended up not being an actual prequel. That bummed me out when I found that out during my play through. I knew there would be inconsistencies for gameplay, so you could have cool battles, and I would be fine with that. But completely resetting everything was just cheap and a cop-out
I am SO GLAD you said all of this. I felt one of the biggest issues was Link's relative unknown status at beginning. I understand the narrative purpose to not have the master sword and status as champion at the beginning of the game, but it completely changes the pre-Calamity story as established in prior memories, diary entries, and DLC content. Even without terrako, it's an entirely different story if Link doesn't have the Master Sword before becoming Zelda's protector.
I was hoping to see how this was how the Champions died. Alas, time travel was added to the mix. But seemed way too convenient. It was cool to see the future warriors interact with their ancestors, but only for a moment. This alternative timeline had too many happy endings. It was just too convenient.
He does use the ability to control other guardians in the game but its shown that he needs to get rather close to the guardians and that he cant take over already corrupted guardians but only to take over broken guardians, so it could be that within the castle there were some skywatchers and stalkers that were broken down qnd being researched which he could have sent out as scouts to get pictures, or perhaps he wasn't the only good guardian left when ganon did the corrupting, perhaps there was a skywatcher and a few stalkers running around and getting pictures which terriko received before he traveled to the past
When it comes to the tapestry, I've always felt that seeing the hundreds of guardians surrounding the hero, zelda, and ganon are already corrupted, as their colors are depicted in deep red, representing the malice and evil.
Me: why is this game so confusing? Monster Maze: proceeds to make a 5 hour long video explaining the current TLOZ lore starting from Skyward Sword all the way down to BOTW in which he carefully details every single aspect of game direction, programing, music and also compares the NPC's dialogues across multiple languages just to find out that the game creators care 0 about making a game with no lore oversights and faith with previous games. *Mom: it's just a game who cares honey*
The thing that bugs me most about AoC's story is what happens when Zelda awakens her powers. Ignoring the thematic importance of her relationship with Link that awakened her power in the first place, the scene should play out the same way it did in botw. The setup and context was different, but Link was still hit by Zelda's magic and should have been seriously injured like in botw. Literally the only explanation I can think of is that Zelda's powers in AoC are significantly weaker because she didn't have the same kind of relationship with Link, which would also explain why she couldn't hurt Ganon. Terrako, on the other hand, was awakened by botw Zelda's magic, so maybe he carried it into the new timeline and that let him hurt Ganon? Idk that's kind of a stretch but it's all I can think of
Something that didn’t make sense to me was that in BOTW when Link sees the statues of Mipha and Daruk, he remembers them, but he doesn’t remember Impa when he sees Paya even though they look quite similar. Although he doesn’t remember king Rhoam when he sees him again, so maybe the memory thing only works for people Link had an emotional connection to, but if that’s the case then why would he remember Revali when as far as we know Revali was nothing but a jerk to Link.
You forgot about Sheikah Slate runes. In Botw, when you talk to Purah, she says back then the slate only had the camera, map and Hyrule Compendium Runes. Yet, we see Zelda with Stasis, Bombs, Magnesis, and Cryonis, which it isn’t supposed to have yet. I could have missed the explanation for this if there is, but I just thought this would be in the video.
Terrako's Pictures can maybe be explained with something like his Bluetooth Connection towards other guardians, eventhough they were corrupt he couldn't control them, yet he could still connect to them via Visual Link or similar.
The story is…enjoyable But I won’t hide and pretend as if the story didn’t sour my experience with this game a little bit I’d honestly have preferred a faithful prequel of what actually went down 100 years ago But I don’t mind what we got as long as it doesn’t impact botw2 too much Tho I’m pretty excited for the DLC Story cause I didn’t think we were getting more story
Another thing to point out is that in breath of the wild Link stays quite to carry the burden of the sword; but he doesn’t have the sword for a while in age of calamity and he still doesn’t talk I get that they probably didn’t want to use a voice acter to keep him the “silent knight” but it doesn’t make since story wise
Nah, BOTW's explanation is just an excuse to justify Link's blank stare that he seems to have in every cutscene. It doesn't really work as an explanation imo.
Fr, in botw he is said to act differently before he had that burden and yet he is stagnant and boring af in aoc. Botw's explaination actually added depth to him and its just gone. Revali also got a similar treatment. In botw he disliked Link because destiny determined Link would be the one to face of Ganon and Link is viewed as not having to work for anything which caused Revali to HATE Link for that. Revali had to work hard for his skills only to be back up to someone he thought just didn't have to work for anything to get in high position. In Aoc he hates Link because Well just because Link doesn't even have the mastersword when he met Revali. Know one knew he would be the chosen hero. Aoc honestly doesn't understand the characters it was given. They dumbed down characters that were already not that well explored.
You forgot to mention the main one! Link pulls the master sword during Age of Calamity when in BOTW he found it as a kid. Good video with good points, just wanted to let you know about this one just in case you ever make apart two.
I can tell when you make shorter videos you make it much more funnier and you seem to enjoy them more then the longer videos. I could be wrong but this one was funny😂
Shorter videos allow for more little jokes haha ^^. But the longer ones are also very fun for me, as it lets me utilize my animation stuff more. Both have their advantages. For me, mixing it up is the key. After the bigger (serious) projects I need to do a couple of smaller ones
@@MonsterMaze That makes sense, that’s good insight to have. Overall it was fun you noticing all the details and going on Revali “Pure of heart my ass” almost started laughing in my office today😂😂😂
Ok hear me out... king Doraphan was lying about the Guardian being the source of his scar. The scar was ACTUALLY something he got by accident while traveling in some form, it isn't stated how he got the scar in AoC, right? But there's a legend about it by the time BotW comes around. He tripped, knocked his head on a rock while out on a fishing trip, then after the Calamity told all his people and the Kingdom that it was from fighting Guardians. He's the King, he can rewrite the books of history as Kings often do to make their legacy appear godly. Doraphan is a sham
The thing that always disappointed me the most is that it's established canon that BotW Link became the chosen hero of the Master Sword at around age 12. He's had it for that long. His whole character is built around that fact - it's quite literally the reason why he rarely ever speaks. The pressure and expectations are that overwhelming to him, and to cope, he withdrew into himself. Mipha even mentioned how much he had changed from the happy and boisterous child she used to know when she recounts in her diary how they reconnected after he drew the sword. All of this happened years before the Calamity. He was, presumably, already a royal knight rather than a simple soldier, given his obvious prowess and the fact that he was recognised as the chosen hero that early on, and it's also the reason why he was around Zelda that much in the first place. I get why Age of Calamity did what they did - they wanted a badass "Link draws the sword for the first time"-scene, I get it. But going against the lore to that extent really messes with Link's character writing. It's so unfortunate. Oh, and they also cut out his pre-established friendship (or brotherhood, even) with Daruk, which I'm also pretty salty about. I loved the small hints we got about their long friendship in the first game, and I always thought it was such a wonderful aspect that Link very much had an established life outside of his duties to Zelda - but all of that got shoved in the bin by the Age of Calamity-writers. It's such a pity. They left Link as more of a blank slate than his amnesia ever did.
Give Link the Master Sword early, you either nerf the Master Sword to the point it's no better than a regular sword... or you make Link too powerful. And that's no fun as a gameplay mechanic. To be faithful to the backstory to the letter would make the game simply not fun. It would just be Link and Zelda wandering around Hyrule occasionally fighting monsters and immediately hit with Ganon overwhelming you. From too easy and boring to suddenly too difficult in a second flat. But they found a way to make Link accessibly fun while staying true to the story. Harbinger Ganon went back in time and delayed Link from getting the Master Sword on several occasions. Ganon is also responsible for increasing monster presence, allowing Age of Calamity to have the big epic battles missing in BOTW.
I know many people were upset about the story. I was too at first. However, now I see it as an excellent opportunity to see the many locations of Hyrule before and during the Calamity. Think of all the locations we've got to explore thanks to this game. So many people wanted to see Akkala Citadel and now we know what it looked like, inside and out. We got to see that there was more ancient tech than we ever realized, even if we don't see it again in BotW. We got to experience, not the same exact events, but similar enough to how it happened in BotW. I'm looking forward to the DLC to see more locations and events than we've already seen.
Yea, Zelda team designed all the maps. So when you see areas never seen before you can best believe this is how Zelda team envisioned them to look 100 years ago.
Something to note here is the armor Link wears and most of the weapons in the game all have the same bumps and scratches as their BOTW counterparts meaning most of not all of the armor and weapons that was pulled to AOC are from BOTW
When i first played the demo and saw the time travel i was worried, then when i made progress I knew the lore was not connected to breath of the wild. It was a fun game but age of calmity is non-canon for me. I hated the egg so much when the lore was so much around it.
I know, he looks down for two seconds, thinks "shit's going down" and then pops into the past. Why in the world is he not from 100 years in the future (or our present) to explain where he gets all his knowledge? It's legitimately hard to screw up a story this badly so quickly.
I like your theory that Terrako has the ability to connect with other guaridans to see through their lenses. I think the simplest explanation to why this wasn't used to our heroes' advantage is because... Well, they didn't know Terrako could do this. For all they know, the photos that Robbie and Pura found were taken by Terrako. Not through the lense of other guardians. They don't know that this adorable little thingamajig barely left the tower before it was sent back in time. And Terrako might be a very advanced machine, but I wouldn't accuse it for being smart. Even if it somehow could communicate this power to its allies, it's very possible that it didn't understand how this could be utilized to stop Calamity Ganon.
I basically treat both Hyrule Warriors as "Zelda's What If..." Like "What if Calamity Ganon was stopped 100 years ago" or "What if a Watcher had the hots for Link"
HW:AoC does have some significant consequence to the sequel to BotW, as it's being used as a pseudo-platform for new enemies and mechanics that we may see in said sequel. For instance, the Bomb Barrel Moblins and the enhanced Wizzrobes that were added as part of the DLC will likely be seen in the sequel to BotW as we can plainly see a Bomb Barrel Moblin during part of the 2nd teaser trailer. Coincidence?
for hestus, I thought about that too but it made me think something happened in the 100 years that made the koroks invisible that would probably be explained in the sequel, I'm pretty sure some dialoug in botw from hestu or one of the koroks is "nobody has been able to see me for (insert time i forget)" but maybe I'm thinking of something else
Age of Calamity is an alternate timeline where everyone lives. This was made perfectly clear when they mentioned splintered timelines so of course the lore isn't the same
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One extra note, every champion has a champion ability; Daruk’s protection, Urbosa’s fury, Mipha’s grace, and Revali’s gale. It is hinted that Link, being a champion, also has an ability- the power to slow down time- using bullet time and flurry rushes. This is hinted at when Teba watches you shoot to see if you’re worthy of battling Vah Medoh. He notes “it’s as if time slowed with every arrow you fired”, and in Mipha’s diary she noted that even when Link was young, he was an amazing swordsman, and also noted that time seemed to slow with each hit. This is clearly talking about bullet time and flurry rush, which means link is the only person who should be capable of this, but in Age of Calamity, everyone can!
I mean it makes the gameplay better and doesn't give Link an unfair advantage lol
Besides, the gameplay portion is hardly canon lmao
Well, everyone seems to be able to do a flurry rush
I mean technically he still has bullet time because no one else can go up into the air and use a bow during slow down time
@@Iamtiredthanks Impa combo y, x, zr. The times slows down for you to aim her kunai.
In a champions ballad cutscene Urbosa parries a yiga foot soldier which I believe also slowed time.
A few ideas concerning Hestu.
1) He does state in BotW that no one has been able to see him for 100 years, implying he's at least that old, so his presence isn't TOO crazy.
2) Obviously the monsters CAN see him, as a couple Bokoblins stole his maracas in BotW.
Oooh yeah good point about the maracas! It's still a bit vague to me what the exact rules are regarding the Koroks. I was under the impression that they are only visible to very specific people. But maybe they can willingly choose to show themselves in some occasions? And monsters are obviously an exception from "normal people". Thanks for sharing! I totally forgot they stole his beloved instruments haha
Pure of heart could mean both purely good, and purely evil
The other thing is that when you watch the cutscene he first appears in, the Champions and even Link clearly can't see him. They hold an entire conversation with him dancing around right beside them and don't notice him. Its not until Zelda sees him and reacts that any of the others do.
I think the scene was making it clear that they couldn't see him until Zelda (who could be considered pure-hearted) did, and only then saw him because they saw her react to something and believed that something had to be there.
The soldiers with her actually turn and react a little after she stops talking in surprise, and Link hurries back to her side to possibly defend her from this thing that's seemingly just appeared.
@@MonsterMaze Nope, koroks cannot choose wether they are visible or not. For example, in botw Hestu is happy when he meets Link because it's the first time in 100 years that someone sees him
@@Laurender
I thought a saiyan had to be pure of heart to become a super saiyan?
My heart is pure, pure evil - Vegeta.
I really hope that Nintendo makes the secret character dehydrated Ganondorf.
Why not hydrated!? ;)
I think it’s more likely to be Sooga.
@@hasanelrabih283 that's a secret character is it only happens if you have a Zora character working alongside him. Or on rainy/waterlogged levels
it would spoil botw2
I think baby sidon.
“We don’t know what happened to Astor in the BOTW timeline”
Yeah, but he probably just fell off a cliff trying to catch a Malice skull.
LOL
5:43 In the Italian version of the game It doesn' t mention Hateno, It simply says that Link, Impa and Zelda are headed to the research laboratory.
Good to know! I just learned that it was also removed from the english version. I haven't checked it myself, but someone said it was removed for DLC 1
The Italian version differs in quite a few areas, for the better
@@Littleton3513 Oh really? I'd like to read up on that!
@@MonsterMaze mainly just in translation grammatical stuff, not really lore, but I find it interesting
@@MonsterMaze that is true. I just replayed the mission after watching your video, and it's gone. It flows seamlessly without it, so it must've been an easy edit.
9:14 - Ah yes, the honorable mansions...How bright is your paint! How lovely are your walls! And how sturdy are your foundations!
I enjoyed AoC but it was clear from early on it was entirely disconnected from BotW. I think its true value was its depiction of pre-Calamity Hyrule, and I think it would be more interesting to talk about the Hyrule depicted in the game measuring up against Hyrule in BotW. There are some loose comparison videos on the maps out there, but AoC also takes quite a few liberties with how towns looked, what the culture would have been like, etc.
I agree, my favorite part of AoC was just being able to see what the ruins looked like before they were ruins. In that regard, I think the game did a great job for the most part- Castle Town, Hyrule Outpost / Gatepost Town, Mabe Village, and the others all look and feel really cool- I just hope we get to see Deya, Tabantha, and Maritta in addition to Kakariko & Goponga in the DLC...
@@timberlago that seems like a lot to ask for, but maybe one of them?
In my opinion it would have less interesting for it to be completely accurate as the ending would have been extremely obvious..
@@Zinkolo agreed, I mean both are interesting yes, but it would be short if it was the og timeline unless we got the champions backstories
@@Zinkolo I mean, if handled well, an ending can move from feeling obvious to feeling like an impending eventuality. Doc Ock is introduced in the 2018 game with the classic villain imagery, wreathed in shadows and ominous music, only to show how very unlike Ock Octavius starts out as. We all know that he has to become a villain by the end, but his relationship with Peter makes us dread the final turn all the more.
All of that said, I still love AoC regardless. The music and cutscenes were worth the price of admission for me alone. I never really minded that it skewed from Canon, even if it would've been an amazing and heart wrenching event to go that way, but I think the initial plan for this game was to show how things could've been very different, if not for Terrako being present.
Here is another thing. In the DLC Cutscene from BotW Mipha asks Zelda who the other Champions are. Zelda lists everyone including the legendary Hero Link. But in AoC Mipha is already with the other Champions, without anyone knowing who the Hero is.
Because in the main timeline, link already had the master sword for years.
@@skaionex When travelling back in time the timeline should not have been any different up to that point
@@martinhawes5647 key word is "should." But it wasn't for whatever reason. Nothing in age of calamity lines up with botw's actual timeline. Even before the split. Everything documented in botw states events vastly different than what happens in AOC.
@@skaionex It makes me think that Terrako didn’t time travel but simply hopped to a similar but very, very different world.
It's the butterfly effect, by Terako time traveling to the past, he created an entirely different timeline.
I have a mini theory on Terrako's images, maybe he briefly connected to some Network to gather the images. The Calamity sensed its presence in the network and sent that stalker to destroy it
The Legend of Terrako: Breath of the Wi-Fi
I was thinking the same thing! It seems possible that the guardians could be connected to a type of “cloud” network that Terrako automatically has access to since he is a guardian
Hopefully DLC will eplain more about that. Im quite curious to find out more about that. Especially the nature of the Ganon Cloud of information ^^
that’s what i was thinking!
@@MonsterMaze i believe you said hateno village wrong ..its not pronouced ..(ha-tay-no) its pronounced.. (ha-tea-no) there has been internet polls on this i know you may not have known that
The Tech Lab location mistake was actually patched when DLC Wave 1 came out, they completely cut out the words "in Hateno." There were a few other small changes like that, that's the only one that stood out to me
I never noticed
They did? Aah that is great to hear! It means they care ^^
It always felt so weird to go west through the breach of demise in order to get to Hateno in the Southeast.
I'm mildly surprised the Master Sword thing wasn't mentioned. Like, I get it from a gameplay perspective; you don't just give your players one of the strongest weapons in the game right off the bat, but it does contradict some things from BotW, like Mipha's diary, and how it changes the relationship dynamic with Link and Zelda. But if I had to guess, that's probably a dead horse that's been beaten several times over by multiple people, so I could see how that may not have ended up on the list.
I was gonna bring this up as well 😂
Oh yeah the Master Sword is a big one. But I already devoted a whole video on that, so I kept it out of this list ^^
Well shoot i guess i missed that one lol i better go watch that
I don't think it changes their relationship too much. Prior to him getting it she has a more generic relationship with him like she would with any other knight. After he gets it is when her frustrations really start to arise. Much like she does on Vah Naboris with Link, Urbosa counsels Zelda to aid their relationship. She helps her to see that nothing changed with him, all while he is eating rocks with the boys (one of my favorite scenes).
Most likely explanation is they go get the Master Sword sooner because they now had concrete proof the Calamity was coming and SOON. So it bumped up their schedule and changed events. And it doesn't contradict Mipha's diary so much as make it so it doesn't happen in this timeline. It can't be the more laid back traveling they did in the original story, they were on crunch.
Ok, so the thing with terrako MIGHT be able to be explained away by him being able to kind of access a "shared cloud save" database of images from other guardians. Also it takes purah and robbie to be able to extract the images. Maybe terrako can't do it himself. And they don't really have time to do so later on.
Additionally, he is configured to work with the guardians in the future. Maybe it would be impossible to access that kind of remote viewing in age of calamity. Or at the very least the range would be limited and not able to be used to spy on the movements of most guardians.
@@spiderdude2099 mmmm that would be a good explanation
Imagine Ganon tries to take over the guardians, but the Cloud is out of room for MALICETOKILLHYRULE.exe
Wait, no mention of how Link actually drew the Master Sword when he was a kid in BotW's lore while in AoC he finds it halfway through the story? I thought for sure that would be #1!
Me too lol, I was expecting that
I think he visually hinted at it, but maybe it was such a significant difference that it didn't fit in this video.
Was Link a kid in BoTW? He looked around the same age to me.
@@jackroberts2704 he was same age in botw as we see him in the memories but drew the sword as a kid in the botw timeline long before the calamity
@@jackroberts2704 in botw he got it when he was around 13 but in age of calamity he’s 17-18
I can certainly understand why people were disappointed with AOC's story, especially in light of Nintendo deceptively marketing it as a direct prequel to BOTW. That said, to me at least it was pretty clear from the start that AOC was never going to be a faithful recreation of BOTW's original timeline. Considering the most exciting thing that happened to Mipha was her and Link fighting off a single Lynel while preparing for the Calamity, things would obviously need to be changed for a musou style game. I mean, surely Link and co regularly fighting off hundreds of Bokoblins, Moblins, and Yiga members pre-calamity would've made it into at least one of his memories or someone's journal. Also considering the fact that Calamity Ganon basically blindsided Hyrule and took out the champions and a lot of the soldiers before they were fully prepared to fight back I don't think there would've been much of a game in a fully accurate depiction of the timeline. All of which was why I was expecting some timeline shenanigans going into AOC.
That's probably why I'm not soured on the game like many others. I can totally understand where people are coming from, because the game certainly could've been better, but I saw a lot of warning signs in advance so I was mentally prepared. People probably would've been happier if AOC wasn't a musou game (and had a stable frame rate lol) since it would've stuck closer to BOTW's timeline, but I still think what was got was fun overall. Still, it's a shame that the game is simply good, and not great.
I totally agree with you.
An alternate timeline was the only choice they had to make the story and gameplay the best it could be.
They shouldn't have marketed the game the way they did. Imo right when it was anounced they should have at least hinted at time travel (like a scene in the trailer where it's Terrako going back through time).
Personnaly I wasn't disapointed because I knew there would be time travel for a while before the release. It was confirmed with the demo and I even spoiled myself by looking at the datamined assets from the demo and later the full game. But I still very much enjoyed it. Playing this game, but above all the hype and theorizing before the release was some of the best experiences I had among the Zelda community.
Oh yeah I totally agree with your point ^^. Although I was a bit disappointed, at the end of the day I'm definitelty not bothered by it that much. I enjoyed the game and then moved on. It wasn't the game I hoped it would be, but hey... there's always a next game. BotW2 *hint hint*
@@MonsterMaze I agree.
The deceptive marketing is what really got to me. I wouldn't have been happy knowing right away that it wasn't going to be a direct prequel. But I would have been less disappointed.
Certainly it wouldn't have been easy to make the game with only working with purely faithful events. But they sure as heck could have tried. The Champions had their titles. So it wouldn't be a terrible stretch to have Mipha and others getting into more fights than we knew about in Breath of the Wild. It's a prequel. You can add details that weren't known in the original story. Not every memory Link ever had made it into Breath of the Wild. Anything new in the prequel would just be more of that.
I can understand trying to logic out why they went the way they did with this story. But in no way do I buy that this was the only way to do it. That they couldn't possibly have made a good game that was basically Crisis Core for Zelda.
In the end though it is what it is. A decent game that could have been great. Happens all the time unfortunately. Played it, had a pretty decent time overall, and probably won't go back to it.
I'm just happy to see a happy ending
6:16 this is actually Chinese. And it didn't tell the location of the tech lab, it just says Zelda is curious about the guardian and she takes link and impa to visit an ancient tech lab. But I'm pretty sure Chinese version is translated from Japanese version
Yes! It's chinese... ugh... I turned the game to the wrong language. Im a dummy :(
I think the worst mistake was that they completely ignored the fact that link obtained the master sword when he was 12. Like they completely retconed something so important
Of all the inconsistencies that's the one that bothers me the most.
I thought it was implied that he still got the sword at that age in this game but essentially had to bring it back
@@Lexicon865 Wait, why would he bring it all the way back to the woods just to pull it again a few years later?
@@LivingBasement Same reason why Link had to get the Master Sword again before the events of TOTK despite already having it during BOTW.
If I recall correctly, the Master Sword is only really unsheathed by the Hero to use to fight against the darkness aka Link gets the sword to fight Ganon and when he's done he has to put it back cuz like what else would he need it for + probably one of those cases where because it's such a powerful relic, it can't just be given to anyone willy nilly so it's only supposed to be used when truly needed
@@Lexicon865 then he wouldn’t have pulled the sword in the first place, if link already had the sword then he wouldn’t put it back until the the calamity was slain
About the pictures on terrako, I would say they are pictures of the other guardians but from a cloud or something like this. But he can't see through their eyes in this timeline. No connection to the cloud maybe?
Clearly when he woke he absorbed an update before he time traveled.
The Ganon Cloud? ;)
@@MonsterMaze Haha more like a shieka cloud ;)
This is what I was thinking, since breaking Egg Bruh is how they figured out how to break the others
Plausible. I mean everything said in the video was valid, but when it comes to warning characters about stuff and/or using the information to plan for a battle, Terrako doesn't have much range of communication.
10:05 My take on Hestu being seen by multiple people including Revali is that he is able to decide who sees him.
It isn’t that far fetched, since Urbosa doesn’t notice Hestu until after Zelda sees him, then everyone else notices him after Urbosa and Zelda see him, since Hestu decided to let them see him.
When it comes to how the secondary antagonists and monsters can see Hestu, the only thing I can say that would make the most sense is that somehow, Ganon’s dark power was able to allow those not pure of heart to see Koroks.
That’s really the only plausible explanation.
I just see AOC as a fanfiction of BOTW, like nintendo went "wouldn't it be cool if...." and made a whole game about it. I don't see any part of the game as canon
A great video, but there's another big lore inconsistency between Botw and AoC. In Creating a Champion, it is said that Botw Link first gained the Master Sword when he was a young teenager, but as we can see in AoC, clearly that isn't the case. I feel like that one isn't really excusable, the writers just didn't do the proper homework when writing the story. So technically, the timeline split isn't based on whether Terrako travels through time, but whether or not Link pulls the Master Sword as a young teen lol
If you know how Nintendo operates with lore, it's that they will override the books in favor of the games.
Did you know that prior to Ocarina of Time, ALTTP Link was supposed to be the very first hero of Hyrule? And that there was no hero that came before him?
Yeah, Ocarina of Time decided screw ALTTP's original backstory, let's put Link into the past and have him fight Ganondorf.
It's really impressive how fast people forgot about this game. It was released with a pretty big amount of hype but after about 3 months it seems everyone just forgot about it. It's really interesting, actually. I guess that's what happens when you advertise something as something it's not. I feel like since it's an alternate timeline and doesn't really have much to do with the mainline BOTW story, people just didn't care. I think the little amount of fanfare for the previous DLC trailer from the direct is proof of this. It's sad, really. (Though I am pretty excited to see that cutscene of Link teaching Zelda how to ride the Master Cycle. Even though It doesn't really make sense considering that Link never actually got it in the AOC timeline, and it was Zelda's from the start. Oh well. This game doesn't really make sense anyway.)
I believe the cause of most of AoC's problems is the marketing. We were lead to believe that AoC was going to be a prequel to BotW and not some alternate timeline. I would say most people(myself included) bought the game for that reason. To see the whole story of the Great Calamity. Instead we got a story about a time traveling robot creating a new timeline. Like we need more of those, am I right?
I have never played AoC was gonna get to it (maybe) after finally beating BOTW (only recently got a Switch myself and stuff) Is it.. not a prequel? Like the past is "The Great Calamity" and so.. the Age of Calamity has to be that era.. right?
@@BaconNuke Technically, yes. But since it's a different timeline, it won't lead into BotW.
@@elitegamer9310 So they hype up "the great calamity" in BOTW, tease us with the name of AoC and then just say "ya no you don't get to see that cool thing we thought up, we just wanna do something else"
@@BaconNuke Well it is the Great Calamity, but told in a different way
The marketing certainly is a factor, but there are several moments of poor story telling and plot holes throughout Age Of Calamity. The biggest example of which being Terrako removing all of the stakes from the story. It starts off fine with the protagonists preparing for imminent disaster, only to suddenly find themselves facing extraordinary odds. However, it's not good story telling to have them suddenly be saved (multiple times) by the magic bullshit device when there has been zero buildup or explanation to the solutions.
Maybe Terrako couldn't act as a spy during the game because he needs to be within a certain range of the other Guardians to connect with them. The Guardian that attacked him in the study was probably close enough to make that connection. And thus might have been the source of those images.
in a series that explicitly has multiple timelines why is this so hard for people to grasp, even after both Techmo and Nintendo have said these are the events of the last calamity. Maybe now that TotK is very clearly not in the same timeline Botw. The Sheikah tech did not just get cleaned up it straight up does not exist. I would hate the Zelda timeline if i was Nintendo because the fans just decide what they take as canon based on how much they like it. If you think Nintendo had 0 oversight and was just fine with AoC changing so much about the history of BotW you are kidding yourself, it was clearly intentional.
Another plot hole is the King completely forgetting who Terrako was. Zelda understandably most likely forgot about it due to the trauma of it being taken away at the time, etc but how could the King not remember? Plus why did he stick it in a box in Zelda's room of all places where she'd have probably happened upon it accidently during rummaging/tidying up at any time during the intervening years?
Lol was about to comment that but first I checked the comments just in case someone did notice about this 🤣
Is it really that weird that King Rhoam forgets about Terrako?
After all, it was just a toy of Zelda for him. (He even called Terrako like that in a cutscene.)
This would also somewhat explain why he (unintentionally?) puts it back in Zelda's room: He just forgets Terrako's importance to Zelda (I mean, how long was it since he took Terrako away from Zelda: 10, 11, 12 years?). After Zelda had awakened her powers and defeated Calamity Ganon, she could've had Terrako back (because the pressure was gone), I assume was the King's thinking.
7:32 Uhhh you're telling me you noticed that in your first playthrough??? I didn't even know about that little detail until watching this. I for one think its a clever way of foreshadowing what happens.
Always love me some Honorable Mansions
6:14 is the Chinese version of the script, which says "Having great interest in the mysterious guardian, Zelda, accompanied by Impa and Link who serves as a bodyguard, headed for the ancient research facility where Purah's crew reside." No mention of Hateno, which is correct.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that in Masterworks, it is stated that Link got the master sword when he was around 12-13, which means that he should've had it long before Terrako arrived. You did bring up several issues that I hadn't even thought of though, so this was a fun watch
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Love that laugh.
REALLY
@@fluffynator6222 CRIMINAL
@@fluffynator6222 A man of culture
AYY It’s :evilganonlaugh: ! 😂
The super soakers look like it was taken away from the land and put onto the Zora Devine beast. I say this because that Devine Beast is the only one that involves water would have made it into a weapon if the sheikah were to install it after it was discovered. Impa could have ordered it done once she saw it.
I have another counter for that ‘pure heart’ koroks.
Well now with Totk this game story got even more interesting
How do?
Can't wait for the 3 hour long video on TotK about lore inconsistencies
That one guy: "Just a spin - off you say! I've spent 50+ hours 100% percented everything maxed out every character level!" Me: "Cool story, bro"
You know, looking back on the opening of AoC, it makes me really wish there was a full on civil war between the corrupted guardians and a few stragglers that Ganon's malice hadn't managed to touch at first, kinda like the Helicarriers turning on each other at the end of Captain America: Winter Soldier
Lore mistakes in Age of Calamity? Well, you-know-who in the Discord server is going to have a field day with this video.
Every regular who joined The Maze should know who I'm talking about.
I haven’t joined. Who is it? And why did MM heart this comment
Coolio just referring to someone in Monster Maze's server and as for why he hearted it: I have no idea. It just happens sometimes.
(Evil giggling intensifies)
I THINK I know who you're talking about it... but I'm not 100% sure, The heart is for you being here and sharing your thoughts ;)
Never seen the discord so I'd like to see a footnotes version
I get the point but I was honestly so happy with the direction the story took. I expected a very dark depressing game where in the end everyone failed but I love that we have this alternate timeline where, to quote a Doctor Who episodes, "Just this once, everybody lives!" and it's a happy end. Leave the darkness to BotW2 and I hope we'll get a good serving of that in the sequel.
Yeah, I understand stand not liking time travel shennanigans but, it's already a spinoff game which story takes place in a closed off time loop, like Persona Q. So, wondering whether or not Terrako or Astor is canon is the same as wondering if Linkle or Cia are canon. I wish they were but I doubt they'll be seen again.
theres also the fact that in BoTW Link is stated to have pulled the master sword when he was pretty young, like early teens if I remember correctly. But in AoC he hasn't pulled it yet
That’s actually one of the points that the game explained, so Ganon travel with terrako and conquest the wood so link can’t have the Master Sword and just stay as a normal soldier, that’s a clue that tell us that terrako travel many years to the past and in the dlc this is 100% confirmed, there are more plot errors but hey It’s Zelda in every game there are plot holes Like TO and OoT with the castle, the desert, skull kids, the master Sword, etc. at least AoC has the excuse of time travel.
I loved AoC and its story, the alternate timeline allowed for a great scenario.
In my opinion Dorephan's scar isn't the only thing wrong with him, his character model should also look 100 years younger.
The "Hateno tech lab" bit is only in the English version. It's not the only mistake in this localization, far from it. The biggest mistake imo is that they slightly changed a sentence in the beginning. It's a small change but it has big concequences as it explain that we're in an alternate timeline right from the start. (I saw people being confused by the scenario for far too long because of this when they started). In the tapestry scene it says "A tale of the Champions...", but it really should have been "This is the other story of the Champions..."
Speaking of tapestry I don't think that's a mistake because in AoC, it's not meant to show the events of 10k years ago, there are some small changes such as Terrako, the pilots of the Divine Beasts and the castle which now has the color of present day Hyrule Castle.
I appreciate the "mistakes" in this video's text segments
EDIT: I'm glad you didn't mention the Master Sword, too many people still talk about it, but it doesn't contradict the lore.
Why you think the master sword issue doesn't contradict the lore?
@@alexsans5293 TLDR: Master Works was written before DLC 2 came out, DLC 2 debunks Master Works' hypothesis
Keep in mind that the "Link got the Master Sword at 12" theory came from Master Works, it's not something from the game. In BOTW we simply don't know.
Mipha's diary from the Champion's Ballad is the only time that there is a mention of Link getting the Master Sword (in a way). But I think a lot of people misinterpret it because they have Creating a Champion's explanation in mind.
So let's analyze it quickly. Mipha's diary is structured this way:
Page 1- Mipha meets Link for the first time, he is 4 years old
Page 2- Vah Ruta is excavated
Page 3- Link comes back to the domain. Mipha notes that he has changed a lot. He is a knight of the royal guard now and he has the Master Sword. Link is also taller than her.
Page 4- Zelda came to ask Mipha to pilot the Divine Beast
Page 5- Link slays the Lynel on Ploymus Mountain
Page 6- King Dorephan agrees to let Mipha pilot Vah Ruta
Page 7- Inauguration ceremony at Hyrule Castle
Page 8- Mipha finished the Zora armor for Link
We have no idea how much time has passed between two pages but we can guess for some of them.
For the first two we know that the Divine Beasts weren't yet excavated when Link was 4, but they were before Zelda was 6. Assuming Zelda and Link are more or less the same age (but Link is a little older) the time between these entries can range from a few months up to a max of 2 years.
For the five last pages it can be a couple of weeks or sometimes only a few days between each entries.
The one we can't be sure about is the third one. That's why I said that AOC doesn't contradict BOTW's lore. Mipha talks about Link as if she hasn't seen him in a long time. And now Link is already in the royal guard (I don't think a 12 year old would be accepted, even one as skilled as Link), he is also taller than her.
This part of the lore is ambiguous enough that we can't know for sure when he got the sword, but we know that he wasn't 12 or 13.
The authors of Master Works shared their own hypothesis, which at the time could have been true (Master Works came out in early december 2017, a week after the Champion's Ballad, so it was written without all of the details of the second DLC). However now we know a bit more about Link's past.
I'll add that in AOC everything happens earlier because of Terrako. They go recruit the pilots of the Divine Beasts earlier. For example when they go to Zora's domain in AOC it's before page 3 of Mipha's diary in BOTW.
Random thought: the delegation sent by the King probably came to Zora's Domain to talk about the research of the Sheikah tech and the Divine Beasts.
Considering how zora age, 100 years might not make a noticable difference for a senior citizen.
Sidon went from ~ age 5 to ~ age 20 in 100 years and organisms tend to change faster when they're young.
@@angelo8606 Why does Mipha's diary contradict Link getting the Master Sword when he was 12 or 13 years old? Just because Mipha mentions the Master Sword and Link being a knight in the same entry, doesn't mean that these events took place at the same time. For example, Link and Mipha could have spent time together for the last time in a long while when he was 11 years old, then Link finds the Master Sword at age 12, becomes a knight at age 16, and shortly after visits Zora's domain for the first time since he was 11. Is there anything that contradicts this sequence of events?
I think the tapestry mistranslation was deliberate. Nintendo knew that the biggest marketing point for this game they had was that people thought it was a prequel.
The zora king guy probably just slipped and fell to get that scar, but when people asked about it he made up a story to make him look cool.
Another thing I noticed was that characters like Impa, Robbie, and Purah were aged down for Age of Calamity because it takes place 100 years before BotW. HOWEVER, we also see Master Kohga in this game, but he is EXACTLY the same as he is in BotW. This implies that Kohga is, in fact, immortal.
Side note: I wonder if it's because of all the bananas? My new headcanon is that the Yiga Clan is obsessed with bananas because they make you immortal.
For Doraphan's scare, one idea could be: Because Terrako travelled back in time, everything changed (as per ripple effect aka "time travel shenanigans"), so maybe he got the same (or similar) scar from a completely different event because the Great Calamity doesn't play out in AOC like it does in BOTW. IRL reason: Yeah, just devs reusing the model.
On number 3; he is seen connecting to other non-corrupt guardians-one of the first corrupt ones you fight goes down because he taps into buried, broken ones all over the map to shoot it. And it makes a lot of sense for him to have grabbed a bunch of pictures from whatever guardian network there is; he woke up after a long nap/shutdown/whatever (and given how Rhoam seems to have intentionally not looked into ancient technology he's lucky the guy found an off button or whatever instead of accidentally breaking him), pings the network to look through all the other Guardians eyes to figure out WHY IS EVERYTHING ON FIRE AAAAHHH, then gets interrupted and jumps through time. In our current timeline, there's the corrupt version of Terrako hanging around; presumably his evil twin is forcing the corrupt guardians to connect to him instead, at least after Terrako managed to screw up its first murder attempt on Zelda by giving orders to Guardians. On Number 4, the Tapestry; I had not actually noticed the bonus Champions in the Age of Calamity tapestry.....I guess it could be a vision? There's been trippy visions as far back (narratively) as Skyward Sword. For number five, the Zonai Super Soakers-I suppose the monsters were pretty thorough about looting ancient tech? I mean the Ancient Tech Lab from images in this very video looks to have been almost literally looted to the bedrock. Also, giant magic sprinklers would explain why there's a great big jungle on the far side of the map from the Great Deku Tree....
I have now nitpicked and, arguably, un-nitpicked your nitpicks. Nitpickception!
About number 2. I think Terrako traveled to the past over and over again until he got it right. Which is why at the beginning we see a memory of Zelda saying "I must protect everyone!" which is something we never see Zelda say in the BoTW timeline. Plus in his memory Zelda was an adult when she said those words and yet in the BoTW timeline Terrako hadn't seen Zelda since she was a child.
Age of Calamity was a prequel to Breath of the Wild in the same way Ocarina of Time was a prequel to Link to the Past.
monster maze: mhmmmm time for a nitpicking video
AOC: *sweats*
Not sure if anyone’s mentioned this, but also the fact that Robbie’s ancient tech lab exists in Akkala when we know it was a repurposed lighthouse that became a lab after the Calamity is a big inconsistency that I remember griping about a lot when I was playing AoC.
I'm surprised that he never mentioned that Link drew the Master Sword at age four in BotW, but in Age of Calamity, he drew it when he was at his current age.
Different timeline. Just because terakko traveled back in time to right before the calamity doesn't mean the timeline wasn't a little different before
Also Link didn’t have the Master Sword at four years old. It is not specified when but we would’ve seen it in Mioha’s diary if he had it this young
@@thomasdesjardins5057 Yeah, creating a champion said he got it when he was 12
@@CouragelessOne age 12 13 is just a guess on the part of who ever was recording the records, all that's really known is that Link was already in possession of the sword for a number of years up to that point, so he might have been as young as 7 even.
Regarding Terrakos pictures, my guess is he is connected to some kind of "network" with all the other guardians, much like the towers and shrines are connected to a "Sheikah network". So those other pictures are snapshot of other guardians' POVs. As for why he doesn't use this ability later on in the game, well, it's because processing this data takes time. In that cutscene, Purrah and Robbie have only been able to recover a few pictures and it will take them much longer to recover the next "batch". Moreover, the 2nd DLC missions, which are all videos taken by Terrako, also take time to be processed by Purrah and Robbie. Considering the urgency of the situation as of the point where Terrako's "networking ability" would become useful, is it really that surprising that they wouldn't use it?
To my knowledge, the Hateno tech lab mistake is only present in the English translation. At the very least I can confirm it isn't present in the French version.
I never really thought about the super soakers, I assumed they had just conveniently been dropped there for some reason, they don't look to me like they've been there for long. Although Zelda comments on how they look similar to Ruta's mechanisms, maybe in the original timeline, these were collected and used for research on Ruta?
I assume that the monsters, being supernatural creatures themselves, would be able to see Koroks despite not being pure of hearts. Is being "pure of heart" even a necessity? Creating a Champion only states that ordinary people cannot see them, and well, the Champions aren't ordinary. Although that doesn't explain how the soldiers can see him, maybe it's less that magical beings are invisible but rather "unoticeable" by ordinary people, until someone who CAN notice them point them out to others. After all, the dragons supposedly follow the same rule and they are still noticed by the Ritos in the Champions' Ballad DLC.
There's no such thing as Zelda lore. Nintendo doesn't care about lore and neither should we.
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Thank you for making this. A lot of the plot holes and stuff you mentioned bothered me when I played through the game and I was really confused and frustrated because of it and so I wasn't sure if anyone else felt the same way.
1. Wow that is a nitpick, but also super correct. No contest.
2. The ability to gather data from other Guardians makes sense, as Harbinger Ganon also access things it should not be able to know. I can think of two reasons why Terrako would never use this to their advantage later: First off, how would he go about sharing any of the information he gained this way? He can't talk, and the Sheikah Slate only displayed the data it did after extensive experimentation by two scientists who are very busy with other things once the Guardians come online. The other reason is that Ganon probably uses this very data sharing network to maintain control over them, so Terrako might have cut itself off for safety.
3. That might just be a translation error. Those are known to happen in this series. The Breach of Demise itself is such an error.
4. That is a weird one to address but there is one point: Terrako is not a companion to this specific version of Zelda, it seems to have been built and become loyal for a previous incarnation as it is loyal to her again immediately after she first repairs it as a child.
5. It's very possible that in the 100 years between games, this area known for constant heavy rainfall flooded and carried the debris to some underwater location that Link is incapable of visiting in BotW.
On the Hestu HM, if the "pure of heart" thing is ever mentioned in BotW it's probably in one of those literal rumor mill books that are not a reliable source for this. So, really, we don't know what determines who can see the Koroks, and its possible that the combination of wanting to be found and others wanting to find him allow him to be seen, and that he allows enemies to see him in order to draw fire.
On the final point, I really don't see why people have such a problem with a fun "What If...?" scenario built around a very strong gameplay core, and why people feel the need to see it only as a prequel, a standard to which it will never hold because it was not designed to hold to it. I enjoyed BotW for its gameplay first and felt its story was very weak, but I enjoyed both the story and gameplay equally in AoC, although they could have been stronger with more development time.
Keeping an eye out for all the different misspellings of "number" turned out to be highly entertaining.
The error about "Hateno tech lab" is entirely a translation/recording error, because I played the french version and it WAS the royal laboratory. So yeah that's the english version's fault.
As for the tapestry one could argue that since this game's story is about winning and defeating the calamity, the tapestry is supposed to represent this new tale of victory which parallels to the 10 000years old one. Then again this point is deploy and utterly subjective and I'm not sure I even get the issue with it.
The map one is a bit sad because what I loved a lot about Age of Calamity is roaming the levels' maps and seeing how things were 100 years before when they weren't destroyed, so yeah these inconsistancies are a bit disappointing. Oh well, for 95% of the the game did an incredible and detailed job, so that might be nitpicking, however it would've been cool if the temples you mentioned had been drawn as standing on the map.
I think age of calamity is telling us the events of the great calamity in a new light.
One mistake that pisses me off to this day is not a story mistake, but more of a... UI mistake I guess? So Chapter 5-2, the episode where you meet up with Sidon and Yunobo to save Mipha and Daruk, takes place in the area in between Death Mountain and Zora's Domain, fitting for a venue that features the champion of each region. But the area in question is mistakenly referred to as the Lanayru Wetlands, the area directly West of Zora's Domain where the ruins of a civilization, a few large Lizalfos forts, and a lot of water can be found; players like to come here to use the bullet time cryonis trick to launch Guardians high in the air. The actual area where this takes place is the Eldin Canyon or more specifically the Maw of Death Mountain, where all those hot springs can be found before you make your way up Death Mountain. It's a bizarre mistake to make; especially since one of the earlier maps, Crenel Peak, has a lot more involvment from the Lanayru Wetlands, and there was even a DLC map that was even closer that was referred to as Goponga Village, that being the devastated village in the Lanayru Wetlands that is now in working form.
For the Terrako one, I have an idea. We only see it go into the time portal in its time, then emerge in Age of Calamity's Timeline. A simple solution could be that it went BACK in time to gather data on the situation, to then bring the data to the Champions.
About Hestu: In breath of the wild when he meets link he says: "Nobody has seen me for 100 years!!" If he was there when link first got the master sword, it would make sense.
The fourth “mistake” was not a mistake at all but rather a shortcut that you didn’t understand. They wanted to reuse old designs, so they used the tapestry. Notice how they actually added additional color to the guardians, inferring that they are already corrupted. The tapestry there is NOT the same one that impa has.
I was just mad about the prequel marketing, and it ended up not being an actual prequel.
That bummed me out when I found that out during my play through.
I knew there would be inconsistencies for gameplay, so you could have cool battles, and I would be fine with that.
But completely resetting everything was just cheap and a cop-out
I am SO GLAD you said all of this. I felt one of the biggest issues was Link's relative unknown status at beginning. I understand the narrative purpose to not have the master sword and status as champion at the beginning of the game, but it completely changes the pre-Calamity story as established in prior memories, diary entries, and DLC content. Even without terrako, it's an entirely different story if Link doesn't have the Master Sword before becoming Zelda's protector.
Hestu is explainable: how did the bokoblins steal his maracas in Botw? Probably bc they could see him
I was hoping to see how this was how the Champions died. Alas, time travel was added to the mix. But seemed way too convenient.
It was cool to see the future warriors interact with their ancestors, but only for a moment.
This alternative timeline had too many happy endings. It was just too convenient.
"Mitsakes where maid..."
I see what you did there. :)
“Nubmer 1:” I couldn’t pay attention to king dorephans lore because I was laughing too hard
He does use the ability to control other guardians in the game but its shown that he needs to get rather close to the guardians and that he cant take over already corrupted guardians but only to take over broken guardians, so it could be that within the castle there were some skywatchers and stalkers that were broken down qnd being researched which he could have sent out as scouts to get pictures, or perhaps he wasn't the only good guardian left when ganon did the corrupting, perhaps there was a skywatcher and a few stalkers running around and getting pictures which terriko received before he traveled to the past
“Pure of heart my ass” instant video like
When it comes to the tapestry, I've always felt that seeing the hundreds of guardians surrounding the hero, zelda, and ganon are already corrupted, as their colors are depicted in deep red, representing the malice and evil.
Me: why is this game so confusing?
Monster Maze: proceeds to make a 5 hour long video explaining the current TLOZ lore starting from Skyward Sword all the way down to BOTW in which he carefully details every single aspect of game direction, programing, music and also compares the NPC's dialogues across multiple languages just to find out that the game creators care 0 about making a game with no lore oversights and faith with previous games.
*Mom: it's just a game who cares honey*
Exactly, its like they trampled on the effort put into botw for some quick money
"I'm not sure if this is in the Japanese version" [shows the Chinese version]
Lol, the misspellings in the video and description are what caught me most off guard.
The thing that bugs me most about AoC's story is what happens when Zelda awakens her powers. Ignoring the thematic importance of her relationship with Link that awakened her power in the first place, the scene should play out the same way it did in botw. The setup and context was different, but Link was still hit by Zelda's magic and should have been seriously injured like in botw.
Literally the only explanation I can think of is that Zelda's powers in AoC are significantly weaker because she didn't have the same kind of relationship with Link, which would also explain why she couldn't hurt Ganon. Terrako, on the other hand, was awakened by botw Zelda's magic, so maybe he carried it into the new timeline and that let him hurt Ganon? Idk that's kind of a stretch but it's all I can think of
Something that didn’t make sense to me was that in BOTW when Link sees the statues of Mipha and Daruk, he remembers them, but he doesn’t remember Impa when he sees Paya even though they look quite similar. Although he doesn’t remember king Rhoam when he sees him again, so maybe the memory thing only works for people Link had an emotional connection to, but if that’s the case then why would he remember Revali when as far as we know Revali was nothing but a jerk to Link.
Impa was shocked that Link didn't remember her though. I guess young snarky ninja impa wasn't as memorable as she thought.
You forgot about Sheikah Slate runes. In Botw, when you talk to Purah, she says back then the slate only had the camera, map and Hyrule Compendium Runes. Yet, we see Zelda with Stasis, Bombs, Magnesis, and Cryonis, which it isn’t supposed to have yet. I could have missed the explanation for this if there is, but I just thought this would be in the video.
Terrako activd them
The game basically pulled a ocorina of time
I like that Zelda theorists are correcting the game developers
Terrako's Pictures can maybe be explained with something like his Bluetooth Connection towards other guardians, eventhough they were corrupt he couldn't control them, yet he could still connect to them via Visual Link or similar.
The story is…enjoyable
But I won’t hide and pretend as if the story didn’t sour my experience with this game a little bit
I’d honestly have preferred a faithful prequel of what actually went down 100 years ago
But I don’t mind what we got as long as it doesn’t impact botw2 too much
Tho I’m pretty excited for the DLC Story cause I didn’t think we were getting more story
They're not mistakes, they're inconsistencies.
It was announced we were getting story DLC way back in February
video plot hole: Maze calls the water spouts Zonai super soakers, but they are most likely sheikah because terrako can activate them
I can imagine terrako hacking into a Guardian discovering that king rhoam was alive but nobody understanding his beep boops
Ah yes, good old Bilbo Baggins the Fifth
Another thing to point out is that in breath of the wild Link stays quite to carry the burden of the sword; but he doesn’t have the sword for a while in age of calamity and he still doesn’t talk
I get that they probably didn’t want to use a voice acter to keep him the “silent knight” but it doesn’t make since story wise
Nah, BOTW's explanation is just an excuse to justify Link's blank stare that he seems to have in every cutscene. It doesn't really work as an explanation imo.
Fr, in botw he is said to act differently before he had that burden and yet he is stagnant and boring af in aoc. Botw's explaination actually added depth to him and its just gone.
Revali also got a similar treatment. In botw he disliked Link because destiny determined Link would be the one to face of Ganon and Link is viewed as not having to work for anything which caused Revali to HATE Link for that. Revali had to work hard for his skills only to be back up to someone he thought just didn't have to work for anything to get in high position. In Aoc he hates Link because
Well just because
Link doesn't even have the mastersword when he met Revali. Know one knew he would be the chosen hero. Aoc honestly doesn't understand the characters it was given. They dumbed down characters that were already not that well explored.
You forgot to mention the main one! Link pulls the master sword during Age of Calamity when in BOTW he found it as a kid. Good video with good points, just wanted to let you know about this one just in case you ever make apart two.
Hyrule Warriors age of calamity is a fan game developed by a professional studio
I can tell when you make shorter videos you make it much more funnier and you seem to enjoy them more then the longer videos. I could be wrong but this one was funny😂
Shorter videos allow for more little jokes haha ^^. But the longer ones are also very fun for me, as it lets me utilize my animation stuff more. Both have their advantages. For me, mixing it up is the key. After the bigger (serious) projects I need to do a couple of smaller ones
@@MonsterMaze That makes sense, that’s good insight to have. Overall it was fun you noticing all the details and going on Revali “Pure of heart my ass” almost started laughing in my office today😂😂😂
Guardians got cloud storage
Ok hear me out... king Doraphan was lying about the Guardian being the source of his scar. The scar was ACTUALLY something he got by accident while traveling in some form, it isn't stated how he got the scar in AoC, right? But there's a legend about it by the time BotW comes around.
He tripped, knocked his head on a rock while out on a fishing trip, then after the Calamity told all his people and the Kingdom that it was from fighting Guardians. He's the King, he can rewrite the books of history as Kings often do to make their legacy appear godly. Doraphan is a sham
The thing that always disappointed me the most is that it's established canon that BotW Link became the chosen hero of the Master Sword at around age 12. He's had it for that long.
His whole character is built around that fact - it's quite literally the reason why he rarely ever speaks. The pressure and expectations are that overwhelming to him, and to cope, he withdrew into himself.
Mipha even mentioned how much he had changed from the happy and boisterous child she used to know when she recounts in her diary how they reconnected after he drew the sword.
All of this happened years before the Calamity.
He was, presumably, already a royal knight rather than a simple soldier, given his obvious prowess and the fact that he was recognised as the chosen hero that early on, and it's also the reason why he was around Zelda that much in the first place.
I get why Age of Calamity did what they did - they wanted a badass "Link draws the sword for the first time"-scene, I get it.
But going against the lore to that extent really messes with Link's character writing. It's so unfortunate.
Oh, and they also cut out his pre-established friendship (or brotherhood, even) with Daruk, which I'm also pretty salty about. I loved the small hints we got about their long friendship in the first game, and I always thought it was such a wonderful aspect that Link very much had an established life outside of his duties to Zelda - but all of that got shoved in the bin by the Age of Calamity-writers. It's such a pity.
They left Link as more of a blank slate than his amnesia ever did.
Give Link the Master Sword early, you either nerf the Master Sword to the point it's no better than a regular sword... or you make Link too powerful. And that's no fun as a gameplay mechanic. To be faithful to the backstory to the letter would make the game simply not fun. It would just be Link and Zelda wandering around Hyrule occasionally fighting monsters and immediately hit with Ganon overwhelming you. From too easy and boring to suddenly too difficult in a second flat.
But they found a way to make Link accessibly fun while staying true to the story. Harbinger Ganon went back in time and delayed Link from getting the Master Sword on several occasions. Ganon is also responsible for increasing monster presence, allowing Age of Calamity to have the big epic battles missing in BOTW.
@@evanbao93 in fairness you could explain link being op away just with the style of gameplay, if your baseline for comparison is botw
I know many people were upset about the story. I was too at first. However, now I see it as an excellent opportunity to see the many locations of Hyrule before and during the Calamity. Think of all the locations we've got to explore thanks to this game. So many people wanted to see Akkala Citadel and now we know what it looked like, inside and out. We got to see that there was more ancient tech than we ever realized, even if we don't see it again in BotW. We got to experience, not the same exact events, but similar enough to how it happened in BotW. I'm looking forward to the DLC to see more locations and events than we've already seen.
I've learned to accept the story for what it is ^^
Yea, Zelda team designed all the maps. So when you see areas never seen before you can best believe this is how Zelda team envisioned them to look 100 years ago.
Something to note here is the armor Link wears and most of the weapons in the game all have the same bumps and scratches as their BOTW counterparts meaning most of not all of the armor and weapons that was pulled to AOC are from BOTW
When i first played the demo and saw the time travel i was worried, then when i made progress I knew the lore was not connected to breath of the wild. It was a fun game but age of calmity is non-canon for me. I hated the egg so much when the lore was so much around it.
I know, he looks down for two seconds, thinks "shit's going down" and then pops into the past. Why in the world is he not from 100 years in the future (or our present) to explain where he gets all his knowledge? It's legitimately hard to screw up a story this badly so quickly.
Thanks for saving me disappointment. I was thinking of buying it as I believed it was a prequel.
Now I have more accurate expectation.
I like your theory that Terrako has the ability to connect with other guaridans to see through their lenses. I think the simplest explanation to why this wasn't used to our heroes' advantage is because... Well, they didn't know Terrako could do this. For all they know, the photos that Robbie and Pura found were taken by Terrako. Not through the lense of other guardians. They don't know that this adorable little thingamajig barely left the tower before it was sent back in time. And Terrako might be a very advanced machine, but I wouldn't accuse it for being smart. Even if it somehow could communicate this power to its allies, it's very possible that it didn't understand how this could be utilized to stop Calamity Ganon.
I basically treat both Hyrule Warriors as "Zelda's What If..." Like "What if Calamity Ganon was stopped 100 years ago" or "What if a Watcher had the hots for Link"
HW:AoC does have some significant consequence to the sequel to BotW, as it's being used as a pseudo-platform for new enemies and mechanics that we may see in said sequel. For instance, the Bomb Barrel Moblins and the enhanced Wizzrobes that were added as part of the DLC will likely be seen in the sequel to BotW as we can plainly see a Bomb Barrel Moblin during part of the 2nd teaser trailer. Coincidence?
lol "don't share them in the comments below". I laughed so much!
Nermub 3. Lol. That got me for a second.
Thought I was trying to decipher Hylian tongue.
for hestus, I thought about that too but it made me think something happened in the 100 years that made the koroks invisible that would probably be explained in the sequel, I'm pretty sure some dialoug in botw from hestu or one of the koroks is "nobody has been able to see me for (insert time i forget)" but maybe I'm thinking of something else
I would imagine that zelda took the pictures and they were uploaded to a cloud and shared to him.
Age of Calamity is an alternate timeline where everyone lives. This was made perfectly clear when they mentioned splintered timelines so of course the lore isn't the same