Had to rewind to make sure I saw it correctly and it was indeed a Euro note rather than a Pound note behind that clip. I'm guessing you put it there because with some travel restrictions still in place, you're not going to use it for a while anyway? 😂
To be honest its a pretty simple concept, so might not be very video-worthy. In a nutshell: the FIA uses a flowmeter to check the fuel usage of the engine, this fuelmeter only measures X times a minute. Ferrari figured out this interval and *increased* the fuel flow whenever the fuelmeter wasn't checking, and lowered it to a lower, legal rate whenever i did check. Redbull suspected Ferrari was doing this, and prettty much asked the FIA "If someone would do this, would this be legal?" which it obviously wasn't.
I wondered if you could use an "inflatable fuel pipe" to create a small storage/buffer tank near the engine and inflate it with fuel when the engine didn't need the full 100L/hour (eg in the braking zone).
I really enjoy Indycar's refueling as it allows for them to only carry 35kilos of fuel at a time and push harder for longer on the tires. Personally, pitstop drama from fuel rig malfunctions and trying to pass through pitstops is very entertaining to me and I think fire safety technology has come a long way making it much safer than before. Though with how many people there are in an F1 pitbox there's a lot more safety concern with fire
@@howdareyou41 yeah that’s why I added the part about newer safety technologies because Indy and NASCAR have occasional fueling fires but nobody ever gets hurt in those anymore. It’s much more safe. For example, F1 never did the squirt of water on splashed fuel like Indy does
@@Koopzilla24 nobody ever gets hurt anymore? that's what they said about f1 too and then ppl still got hurt and killed. I'm all in favour of making the sport as safe as possible. kinda tired of my heroes being killed in race cars.
@@howdareyou41 if you want the F1 pit lane to be safer you need less than 14 people in the box with cars going in and out. Also having more fuel in the car at a time would mean there’s more to ignite in a worst case scenario crash. We saw how much flames are produced just by what little went up in Grosjean’s crash last year
Fuel use over the course of the race is all that matters, peaks don't matter at all for RoAd ReLeVaNcE and good racing requires different speeds between drivers. It doesn't matter what their absolute speed is, if they're going 0 mph next to eachother, it may as well be stationary. Giving the option to boost when unexpected lets the driver be strategic, to take risks and be spontaneous to score a win. When everything is heavily monitored, you have a procession that's decided before they leave the grid.
I would say, why not let there be specific laps, when you'd assume otherwise boring racing to be taking place, to be "unlimited" fuel laps? Say you know that Lap 25 of Monaco is a bore, so you say "on Lap 25, for each car, we disable fuel flow limitations". Would that help at all?
@@spibased while I like wtf1 for their podcasts and in summary that's what Ferrari did, you surely don't wanna believe anything from wtf1 that isn't an opinion video. They just thrash out half baked, subparly researched sub 8 min videos for the YT algo gods when they aren't doing their podcasts.
Their oil had a high octane level and they oiled the combustion chambers directly with this oil causing it to burn after lubricating piston rings which produced more power
Think of the pulse setting on a showerhead, but with fuel flow, and you've pretty much figured it out. FIA fuel flow meters check the flow X times every minute, and Ferrari figured out the intervals and dumped more fuel in whenever the meter was essentially not paying attention.
@@ZontarDow It was literally in the rulebooks lmao. Sure, only cheating if you don't get caught but lets not pretend it's some incredible innovation that the FIA banned for no reason.
@@ThatGenericName The FIA has banned innovation for decades, the most advanced and "road relevant" F1 cars where in the 90s (and the FIA's constant stifling of innovation makes any claims that F1 has any degree of road relevance fail the straight face test). Cheating's a part of racing, that's just how it is and nothing will change that.
It's honestly pretty simple: there is a sensor that checks fuel rates every so often. While the sensor isn't checking, the engine takes an extra gulp of fuel. Think of it like sneaking past guards on a strict patrol path in _Metal Gear Solid_ or a similar game. You hide while the guard is looking down your hallway and move to the next hidey hole while he's not looking. The tricky part is that in this case the guard looks down the hallway 22,000 times every second. Beating that level of scrutiny is hard. F1 changed the setup after Red Bull's inquiry to have two sensors, as well as adding a random element to how often they check.
Personally I think allowing mega-rich mix would improve tactical viability. Sure you could have the stalemate suggested, but you could also have drivers feigning rich mix or wearing through tires and forcing the opponent into wasting fuel to gain a benefit later in the race. The defender doesn't know when rich mix is going to be used so he either has to overuse his fuel or he will eventually get caught out by it. Ultimately there will be a lot more mind games. No competitive e-sports are ever as simple as "the opponent does x so we mirror them, forever stalemate" - there is always some degree of unknown and some delayed reaction times ruining that mentality. There's no reason to think F1 will be any different. Plus there are more than 2 cars, if you've burnt all your fuel you get overtaken by multiple cars later in the race. Hardly a tactical win even if you keep the position. The prediction on saving fuel early doesn't seem to fit either. Historically teams have done the polar opposite as fuel gives a weight penalty carried throughout the race. With tire wear such an extreme focus of F1 compared to decades past, and high fuel loads wearing tires more than lower fuel loads, its a safe assumption that the default strategy won't be to sit on a massive weight of fuel for 75% of the race. This just seems like a bunch of simplistic and frankly rushed tactical arguments to claim that fuel limits are more fun to watch. It seems like you started with the conclusion and are looking for arguments to support fuel limits rather than looking at the evidence then finding a conclusion. Also "different cars at different speeds" seems to be argued as a negative here. Isn't that the goal of a lot of F1. Forcing tire strategy, adding DRS, it all seems to be oriented to having different cars at different speeds. Or in other words, more overtaking. I don't see why its constantly being pushed as a problem in this video.
To be fair, the main argument for the limit was the road relevance, however some people thought well F1 shouldn't have to be road relevant so he examined it from a purely racing perspective. Of course it's more difficult to justify it in that isolated case as with many other F1 things, but he explained it doesn't automatically make the racing better just having additional strategic options and noted the downsides of such regulations. Also more strategies might sound fun to some, but on the other side there would be a lot more fuel management meaning the cars would have to go through periods where they are going significantly slower. For the people that just want to see drivers keep pushing, this would be crap to watch as the driver would have to do laps with nursing the car and a lot of people already hate that with the tyres currently. Can't please everyone I suppose, so yeah fuel limits aren't inherently making the racing worse. Personally I'm fine with the fuel limit, Pirelli just needs to bring softer compounds to make more than a single pitstop strategy viable on many circuits and that would be plenty enough of strategic options. Either that or find a way to make refuelling safer and make them do fuel sprints, but it doesn't seem like that is viable still.
We would just have more parades you have teams like Redbull, Merc that are another world faster than the midfield in the turns especially the medium to fast turns, and would run minimal fuel with no threat and then just go full out on the straight. So instead of a parade of tire saving, we would have tire saving and engine modes that would just protect against an overtake which really only happens on the straights. It might help at Monza and Spa but I don't think it would help overall. The RB Merc turn speeds are replicated through the midfield but slower than the top and for the most part have the same turn speeds and so do the backmarkers. If anything you would see the best-funded teams just become even richer. More mechanical grip would be more helpful to get turn speed discrepancies and then drivers would be able to gain more momentum. To your point of guys messing up, it would be more of a race of attrition hoping the car in front has a mechanical issue. I race full races online in Iracing, RFactor, and F12020, and don't forget to change my engine modes and hit DRS I say this only because I am not even close to sniffing the talent these drivers have. Also, do you really want to watch a race for 2 hours hoping for a mistake? I mean these guys rarely screw up on drying tracks with a narrow margin for error on the dryline this may help the first race but the teams would just be on the radio to tell the driver they need to go to engine mode (insert number/letter here) knowing the exact moment they would need to change modes to stay ahead.
Agree with Olivia 100%. The video feels like FIA hired Chainbear to come up with excuses for why fuel flow restrictions are a good thing. He didn't even give a single positive effect removing the restrictions could have. Even the things that would be positive were spun as negatives and safety issues. No restrictions = more strategies, more overtaking, more action, more surprising outcomes. @MRSchockwave, removing fuel flow limits would not hurt road relevance at all. Having a more efficient engine than your competitors would still give you a big benefit as you could make more total net power from the limited amount of fuel everyone is allowed. More total power generated during a race = higher average speed during a race = more likely to win the race. What I mean is, the more efficient an engine you have, the quicker your lap times will be compared to your competitors while using the same amount of fuel per lap as your competitors.
You're assuming that F1 teams wouldn't be able to (A) figure out the preferred strategy, (which would put any other strategies in the bin) and (B) that they wouldn't be able to tell or learn exactly when their opponents are full beans. All they might have to see is a lap time or if their driver is near a sudden spike in acceleration or top speed.
Think you've got it back to front at 7:25 - fuel is heavy, you go high burn at the start, run your fuel down, then spend longer coasting when you're lighter and faster anyway.
Agreed. Which would arguably add some excitement if teams are running alternative strategies and you spend the end of the race watching Driver A run down Driver B who burnt their fuel for the early lead.
in the F1 games I always try to get the amount of fuel to go full beans most of the race (not rich mix all the time but a bit in reserve) and always try to go more than less pit stops, to maximize my own enjoyment, ofcourse some circuits are set on one stop unfortunately
F1 cars will destroy the nurburgring nordschlief Lap record if they are allowed use all the power that engine has, even while running with limits and stuff they are faster than the Porsche 911 tribute idk if a williams or a haas can..
Considering that LMP and LMH cars are faster than F1 cars in Spa, where they both conduct races on the same circuit configuration, I somewhat doubt that. In 2004/2005, sure they'd be faster if they were fine with destroying their engines by keeping it at 100% almost all the time. But modern F1 car concerns are less about being fast, and more about being raceable against each other with all the dirty air they generate.
For the FIA this would be absolutely no problem. But for the engine manufacturers this would mean they'd have to develop separate engine mappings and possibly even different hardware parts for each track. So it would massively increase development costs, without adding any benefit to the sport.
@@samiraperi467 no they wouldn’t, they have fuel flow sensors that monitor the flow rate, they don’t actually have a restrictor which limits the fuel flow.
7:00 I'm quite sure all teams/cars are going to use as much fuel as they can at the start when everybody is really close and overtaking matters. Then have a lighter car for the rest of the race.
I just want to know how chuffed you were when realized the air intake bobbing up and down is the perfect way to show the engine is on. I'm not kidding, I would feel pretty good about it.
I'm not the target customer for Ridge or any kind of company selling that kind of wallet, as it's certainly not my thing. However, I would watch a whole hour of Stuart making publicity for them, or probably any other company for that matter. The guy can sell a product! GET HIM SOME MORE SPONSORS :D
OMG... have you manage to have access to the secret agreement between Ferrari and FIA?? congratulation then... otherwise how can you claim to know what has happened there?! please!
Or maybe bring refueling back?..... funny how these engines have to be restricted so that teams don't burn more fuel... maybe because they actually consume more fuel than the V8's did? Turbo cars burn more fuel than bigger naturally aspirated cars..... Is Sad to listen to the narrative that these cars are more green
Donut Media literally released the ferari video today unfortunately :( If you want *other* video ideas though, I'd love to see more on strategy (you could of course reference the merc strategy win in spain and the monaco strategy excellence from redbull and Aston Martin), or a speculative video on what cars will look like next year. Or if you want to do a "how it works" type-thing, it could be neat to learn about the steering setups and what ratios/sizes they use and what mechanisms there are to allow steering post-crash etc.
I was of the opinion that cars should have no maximum fuel flow rate and teams should be given much less fuel to begin with, but this video has changed my mind. Fuel flow is fine how it is. Something else regarding this, however is that I think the team should be able to control the cars engine and ers modes. It would allow the drivers to just concentrate on driving and not have to be guided through how to control their own car. Give the drivers an override button so that team orders aren't 100% enforced. I think the racing would benefit from this.
7:00 i think it would be the other way around; go full beans at the start for track position and burning fuel weight so you run lighter for the rest of the race while you conserve
@@seanonraet8327 yup. These drivers are already pushing it on track. They don't need additional fire hazard in the pits for themselves or their pitcrew
you're going to ruin it for everyone. that's a great way to get petrol phased out much faster than it will be anyway. petrol era is almost over. no way f1 is using ICE after 2030.
I would love to see a video about the certain team. I don't get how the situation unfolded how it did, and what the team actually did. Maybe that was the idea though 🤔
When that chart levelled out at the end, you realize how much of a masterclass is your animation and demonstration. As always, thank you for the content and keep it up. Cheers.
They need a minimum amount of fuel in parc ferme, when the cars are weighed or you are disqualified, look what happened to Ticktum in Monza F2 race last year
Indeed! If I had my way I'd go all the way and change F1 from an engine to a fuel formula: -Everybody has to run the same standardised fuel. -From the end of Qualifying everybody gets, say, a maximum of 100kg of fuel to spend in the race as wished. You are entirely free to develop your power unit and strategy to fit within that envelope. At a stroke fuel development costs are eliminated, innovation is promoted, and current PUs remain viable for those who want to keep using them. Better yet with no room to develop fuels there will be less pressure to incrementally develop PUs at great expense for little reward - once you are happy with your concept there will be little reason to keep at it.
ok, you've convinced me on the F1 side of things. But with EVs not really being where we want them to be right now in terms of road cars, I think Formula E should allow full motor and battery development. FE should really be pushing for road relevance and they're not.
Racing with limited energy and regeneration Percentage of 35 to 40 %?? What more do you want?? I'm currently working on Electric buses and best they can achieve is 25 to 30% regeneration. Batteries should be opened up as they are the bottle neck not the motors
You marked the coast sections of the Berlin E-Prix wrong as it goes counter clockwise under normal circumstances. But nice, that you thought of that one-off reverse layout from last year :D
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2:30 that was too funny man 😂
Had to rewind to make sure I saw it correctly and it was indeed a Euro note rather than a Pound note behind that clip. I'm guessing you put it there because with some travel restrictions still in place, you're not going to use it for a while anyway? 😂
I want to see how a certain team managed to subvert the fuel flow rates. Pretty please :)
I could swear you were the same guy from WTF1 hahahahah
@@segueoyuri “you was”?
Would love to know how the "certain" team did that...
Me too!! Please make the videooo
Same here
The Great 🛑 Master🅱️lan™
To be honest its a pretty simple concept, so might not be very video-worthy.
In a nutshell: the FIA uses a flowmeter to check the fuel usage of the engine, this fuelmeter only measures X times a minute. Ferrari figured out this interval and *increased* the fuel flow whenever the fuelmeter wasn't checking, and lowered it to a lower, legal rate whenever i did check. Redbull suspected Ferrari was doing this, and prettty much asked the FIA "If someone would do this, would this be legal?" which it obviously wasn't.
@@XLRATEable wasn't about burning oil?
Yes please it would be interesting to see how a "certain team" managed to find a way around the fuel flow limit.
By pulsing the flow rate synchronously with the flow rate sampling. What’s impressive is that the sample rate is 22kHz.
Using Nyquist theorem to f*ck checks is brilliant. Crazy, dirty but brilliant.
Donut Media just did a video on it
ruclips.net/video/VUvPyCwC7lU/видео.html
I wondered if you could use an "inflatable fuel pipe" to create a small storage/buffer tank near the engine and inflate it with fuel when the engine didn't need the full 100L/hour (eg in the braking zone).
I really enjoy Indycar's refueling as it allows for them to only carry 35kilos of fuel at a time and push harder for longer on the tires. Personally, pitstop drama from fuel rig malfunctions and trying to pass through pitstops is very entertaining to me and I think fire safety technology has come a long way making it much safer than before. Though with how many people there are in an F1 pitbox there's a lot more safety concern with fire
yeah I mean that's why they stopped refuelling because it was insanely dangerous
@@howdareyou41 yeah that’s why I added the part about newer safety technologies because Indy and NASCAR have occasional fueling fires but nobody ever gets hurt in those anymore. It’s much more safe. For example, F1 never did the squirt of water on splashed fuel like Indy does
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@@Koopzilla24 nobody ever gets hurt anymore? that's what they said about f1 too and then ppl still got hurt and killed. I'm all in favour of making the sport as safe as possible. kinda tired of my heroes being killed in race cars.
@@howdareyou41 if you want the F1 pit lane to be safer you need less than 14 people in the box with cars going in and out. Also having more fuel in the car at a time would mean there’s more to ignite in a worst case scenario crash. We saw how much flames are produced just by what little went up in Grosjean’s crash last year
3:54 your putting Berlin e-Prix track the oher way around, they lap the track counter clock wise.
Another complex topic made simple with easy-to-understand graphics and explanations. Well done!
But is it possible for some teams to exceed this maximum fuel flow rate? And if so, how?
ferrari
@@gp-oi5nt yes, mate. I was being sarcastic 😂
Fuel use over the course of the race is all that matters, peaks don't matter at all for RoAd ReLeVaNcE and good racing requires different speeds between drivers. It doesn't matter what their absolute speed is, if they're going 0 mph next to eachother, it may as well be stationary. Giving the option to boost when unexpected lets the driver be strategic, to take risks and be spontaneous to score a win. When everything is heavily monitored, you have a procession that's decided before they leave the grid.
WHO DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW HOW A CERTAIN TEAM DID THAT
"Not even for a split second"
Angry pasta noises
Mama mia !
Scemooooo lol!
Mamma Mia, we musta burna somma oilé instead Mattia!
I would say, why not let there be specific laps, when you'd assume otherwise boring racing to be taking place, to be "unlimited" fuel laps? Say you know that Lap 25 of Monaco is a bore, so you say "on Lap 25, for each car, we disable fuel flow limitations". Would that help at all?
*sad pasta noises to be precise.
Sf90 in the split second is brilliant.
You mean 🅱️rilliant
He got me, not gonna lie
Now i got it.
Men, i am just as slow as the red tractor.
There’s nothing I’ve ever wanted more than a video on how Ferrari subverted the fuel flow regulations
I think wtf1 made one, basically they figured out the intervals where the sensors check the fuel flow, and between those checks they burnt more
@@spibased while I like wtf1 for their podcasts and in summary that's what Ferrari did, you surely don't wanna believe anything from wtf1 that isn't an opinion video. They just thrash out half baked, subparly researched sub 8 min videos for the YT algo gods when they aren't doing their podcasts.
Their oil had a high octane level and they oiled the combustion chambers directly with this oil causing it to burn after lubricating piston rings which produced more power
Think of the pulse setting on a showerhead, but with fuel flow, and you've pretty much figured it out. FIA fuel flow meters check the flow X times every minute, and Ferrari figured out the intervals and dumped more fuel in whenever the meter was essentially not paying attention.
Donut media made a video on this an hour ago
Yes, please give us the "Ferrari cheated this way" video, CB!
No ferrari is so integer. They always follow the rules exactly🤣😂
It ain't cheating if it isn't in the rule books, it's innovation. It's only cheating if you get caught.
@@ZontarDow It was literally in the rulebooks lmao. Sure, only cheating if you don't get caught but lets not pretend it's some incredible innovation that the FIA banned for no reason.
@@ThatGenericName The FIA has banned innovation for decades, the most advanced and "road relevant" F1 cars where in the 90s (and the FIA's constant stifling of innovation makes any claims that F1 has any degree of road relevance fail the straight face test).
Cheating's a part of racing, that's just how it is and nothing will change that.
@@ThatGenericName just like bendy wings. Let's just agree FIA can't regulate sht.
Why don’t you do a video on how to exceed fuel limits under 2021 regulations?
-Not a Ferrari engineer *wink wink
Imagine having a fuel flow limit...
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The fact that you subtitle these videos properly doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated.
I don't care, if it's called 'megamode', I'll allow it.
Ferrari: *heavy sweating*
2:30
"not even for a split second"
FIA: we don't do that here
Would love to know how this "certain" team got away with subverting fuel flow rates
Ah the golden times where you could just let it flow like a team did.
And the tanks were twice as big
@@Fred_the_1996 nah. I was actually talking about a certain red colored team with a thing called fuel flow meters
You’ve just been strolled
Great video as always!
I definitely want a video on how "some team" "allegedly" managed to get over the fuel flow limit. :)
It's honestly pretty simple: there is a sensor that checks fuel rates every so often. While the sensor isn't checking, the engine takes an extra gulp of fuel.
Think of it like sneaking past guards on a strict patrol path in _Metal Gear Solid_ or a similar game. You hide while the guard is looking down your hallway and move to the next hidey hole while he's not looking.
The tricky part is that in this case the guard looks down the hallway 22,000 times every second. Beating that level of scrutiny is hard.
F1 changed the setup after Red Bull's inquiry to have two sensors, as well as adding a random element to how often they check.
Personally I think allowing mega-rich mix would improve tactical viability. Sure you could have the stalemate suggested, but you could also have drivers feigning rich mix or wearing through tires and forcing the opponent into wasting fuel to gain a benefit later in the race. The defender doesn't know when rich mix is going to be used so he either has to overuse his fuel or he will eventually get caught out by it. Ultimately there will be a lot more mind games. No competitive e-sports are ever as simple as "the opponent does x so we mirror them, forever stalemate" - there is always some degree of unknown and some delayed reaction times ruining that mentality. There's no reason to think F1 will be any different. Plus there are more than 2 cars, if you've burnt all your fuel you get overtaken by multiple cars later in the race. Hardly a tactical win even if you keep the position.
The prediction on saving fuel early doesn't seem to fit either. Historically teams have done the polar opposite as fuel gives a weight penalty carried throughout the race. With tire wear such an extreme focus of F1 compared to decades past, and high fuel loads wearing tires more than lower fuel loads, its a safe assumption that the default strategy won't be to sit on a massive weight of fuel for 75% of the race. This just seems like a bunch of simplistic and frankly rushed tactical arguments to claim that fuel limits are more fun to watch. It seems like you started with the conclusion and are looking for arguments to support fuel limits rather than looking at the evidence then finding a conclusion.
Also "different cars at different speeds" seems to be argued as a negative here. Isn't that the goal of a lot of F1. Forcing tire strategy, adding DRS, it all seems to be oriented to having different cars at different speeds. Or in other words, more overtaking. I don't see why its constantly being pushed as a problem in this video.
To be fair, the main argument for the limit was the road relevance, however some people thought well F1 shouldn't have to be road relevant so he examined it from a purely racing perspective. Of course it's more difficult to justify it in that isolated case as with many other F1 things, but he explained it doesn't automatically make the racing better just having additional strategic options and noted the downsides of such regulations.
Also more strategies might sound fun to some, but on the other side there would be a lot more fuel management meaning the cars would have to go through periods where they are going significantly slower. For the people that just want to see drivers keep pushing, this would be crap to watch as the driver would have to do laps with nursing the car and a lot of people already hate that with the tyres currently. Can't please everyone I suppose, so yeah fuel limits aren't inherently making the racing worse.
Personally I'm fine with the fuel limit, Pirelli just needs to bring softer compounds to make more than a single pitstop strategy viable on many circuits and that would be plenty enough of strategic options. Either that or find a way to make refuelling safer and make them do fuel sprints, but it doesn't seem like that is viable still.
We would just have more parades you have teams like Redbull, Merc that are another world faster than the midfield in the turns especially the medium to fast turns, and would run minimal fuel with no threat and then just go full out on the straight. So instead of a parade of tire saving, we would have tire saving and engine modes that would just protect against an overtake which really only happens on the straights. It might help at Monza and Spa but I don't think it would help overall. The RB Merc turn speeds are replicated through the midfield but slower than the top and for the most part have the same turn speeds and so do the backmarkers. If anything you would see the best-funded teams just become even richer. More mechanical grip would be more helpful to get turn speed discrepancies and then drivers would be able to gain more momentum. To your point of guys messing up, it would be more of a race of attrition hoping the car in front has a mechanical issue. I race full races online in Iracing, RFactor, and F12020, and don't forget to change my engine modes and hit DRS I say this only because I am not even close to sniffing the talent these drivers have. Also, do you really want to watch a race for 2 hours hoping for a mistake? I mean these guys rarely screw up on drying tracks with a narrow margin for error on the dryline this may help the first race but the teams would just be on the radio to tell the driver they need to go to engine mode (insert number/letter here) knowing the exact moment they would need to change modes to stay ahead.
Agree with Olivia 100%. The video feels like FIA hired Chainbear to come up with excuses for why fuel flow restrictions are a good thing. He didn't even give a single positive effect removing the restrictions could have. Even the things that would be positive were spun as negatives and safety issues. No restrictions = more strategies, more overtaking, more action, more surprising outcomes.
@MRSchockwave, removing fuel flow limits would not hurt road relevance at all. Having a more efficient engine than your competitors would still give you a big benefit as you could make more total net power from the limited amount of fuel everyone is allowed. More total power generated during a race = higher average speed during a race = more likely to win the race. What I mean is, the more efficient an engine you have, the quicker your lap times will be compared to your competitors while using the same amount of fuel per lap as your competitors.
Things could change if a safety car pop's inn. Could be more of strategy then racing.
You're assuming that F1 teams wouldn't be able to (A) figure out the preferred strategy, (which would put any other strategies in the bin) and (B) that they wouldn't be able to tell or learn exactly when their opponents are full beans. All they might have to see is a lap time or if their driver is near a sudden spike in acceleration or top speed.
Gave the video a like at the "Split Second" mark !!
Think you've got it back to front at 7:25 - fuel is heavy, you go high burn at the start, run your fuel down, then spend longer coasting when you're lighter and faster anyway.
Agreed. Which would arguably add some excitement if teams are running alternative strategies and you spend the end of the race watching Driver A run down Driver B who burnt their fuel for the early lead.
2:29 Haha, that split-second Ferrari.
It is at 2:30 lol I some how actually paused on that very moment to grab a drink an started crying I was laughing to hard!
Did wonder this, swear you read people’s minds sometimes
Given not even the FIA are prepared to talk about what that "certain team" got up to. I would love to know.
FIA being run by an ex-Ferrari boss probably isn't great
Yep, we want a video bashing Ferrari for cheating. In fact, we want a video about all of the cheats that teams have used.
in the F1 games I always try to get the amount of fuel to go full beans most of the race (not rich mix all the time but a bit in reserve) and always try to go more than less pit stops, to maximize my own enjoyment, ofcourse some circuits are set on one stop unfortunately
G'wan, tell us how Ferrari subverted the fuel-flow regs then, you know you want to. ;)
F1 cars will destroy the nurburgring nordschlief Lap record if they are allowed use all the power that engine has,
even while running with limits and stuff they are faster than the Porsche 911 tribute
idk if a williams or a haas can..
Considering that LMP and LMH cars are faster than F1 cars in Spa, where they both conduct races on the same circuit configuration, I somewhat doubt that. In 2004/2005, sure they'd be faster if they were fine with destroying their engines by keeping it at 100% almost all the time. But modern F1 car concerns are less about being fast, and more about being raceable against each other with all the dirty air they generate.
@@somethingdifferentprobably huh??? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamps#Lap_records
This makes me think what if FIA sets different fuel flow rate limit each track. Would it be possible?
They'd need to calibrate the limiters for each track. It's a hassle.
For the FIA this would be absolutely no problem. But for the engine manufacturers this would mean they'd have to develop separate engine mappings and possibly even different hardware parts for each track.
So it would massively increase development costs, without adding any benefit to the sport.
@@samiraperi467 no they wouldn’t, they have fuel flow sensors that monitor the flow rate, they don’t actually have a restrictor which limits the fuel flow.
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7:00 I'm quite sure all teams/cars are going to use as much fuel as they can at the start when everybody is really close and overtaking matters. Then have a lighter car for the rest of the race.
I just want to know how chuffed you were when realized the air intake bobbing up and down is the perfect way to show the engine is on. I'm not kidding, I would feel pretty good about it.
Quite interested in knowing how the 'certain team' subverted the fuel flow rate
I am still laughing hard at the nearly-subliminal Ferrari that popped up at a special moment.
Did you really have to ask? Hell yeah we want to know🤌😂
I would love to know what that “certain” team did 🤓
So the real takeaway from this video is bring back refueling.
I'm not the target customer for Ridge or any kind of company selling that kind of wallet, as it's certainly not my thing. However, I would watch a whole hour of Stuart making publicity for them, or probably any other company for that matter. The guy can sell a product! GET HIM SOME MORE SPONSORS :D
I would like to know about the 2019 fuel trickery by the guys in red, thanks for asking!
That’d be a big “Hell Yeah!” to the suggested video on ‘cheating?!????’ ‘scandal’
OMG... have you manage to have access to the secret agreement between Ferrari and FIA?? congratulation then... otherwise how can you claim to know what has happened there?! please!
Or maybe bring refueling back?..... funny how these engines have to be restricted so that teams don't burn more fuel... maybe because they actually consume more fuel than the V8's did? Turbo cars burn more fuel than bigger naturally aspirated cars..... Is Sad to listen to the narrative that these cars are more green
Donut Media literally released the ferari video today unfortunately :(
If you want *other* video ideas though, I'd love to see more on strategy (you could of course reference the merc strategy win in spain and the monaco strategy excellence from redbull and Aston Martin), or a speculative video on what cars will look like next year.
Or if you want to do a "how it works" type-thing, it could be neat to learn about the steering setups and what ratios/sizes they use and what mechanisms there are to allow steering post-crash etc.
I was of the opinion that cars should have no maximum fuel flow rate and teams should be given much less fuel to begin with, but this video has changed my mind. Fuel flow is fine how it is.
Something else regarding this, however is that I think the team should be able to control the cars engine and ers modes. It would allow the drivers to just concentrate on driving and not have to be guided through how to control their own car. Give the drivers an override button so that team orders aren't 100% enforced. I think the racing would benefit from this.
Yes, I want to see that ferrari fuel thingy, also if you have some info on what actaully happened and that private agreement would be great
I appreciate the Formula E explanation as well.
See, this is why Formula One needs to be a sprint, not a marathon. The days of refuelling were much more interesting.
A look at what a certain team did?
Forget Everything! Real Rubberneckers Are Really interested
7:00 i think it would be the other way around; go full beans at the start for track position and burning fuel weight so you run lighter for the rest of the race while you conserve
Yes i want to know how a certain team, allegedly may or may not have tricked fuel flow sensors
Throwing some shade on a certain red horse. I like it! Another!
Yes, we want the fuel flow video for a certain team.
Yes would love to know how "certain" split second team does it.
Mega lap and crap lap... spunk your fuel away 🤣 damm i pissed myself
what new rule will they propose to limit Hamilton's complaining?
"Do you want that?" Yes, we want that.
I think I speak for everyone that we would like to see what that certain team did
what a brilliant and wonderfully concise video. bravo.
Just bring back refueling and let them burn as much fuel as they want, i want to see drivers push throughout the race as if it's quali.
We'll just get more overtaking in the pit which people complain about enough as it is, plus safety concerns
@@seanonraet8327 yup. These drivers are already pushing it on track. They don't need additional fire hazard in the pits for themselves or their pitcrew
you're going to ruin it for everyone. that's a great way to get petrol phased out much faster than it will be anyway. petrol era is almost over. no way f1 is using ICE after 2030.
the one question i want answered is... why is F1 so boring now lol
Yes please Stuart to the 'subverting the fuel flow limit' video. Cheers.
I need to see your proposed video on that split second team.
As a fan of a "certain" team: I'd love to see a video on that
Meh just bring back refuelling 😂😂😂
Of course we want that 'certain team' info!
Formula e is back on this channel, I welcome it
Please Stuart. Give us all the insights into how a certain team managed to subvert the fuel flow rates.
I would love to see a video about the certain team. I don't get how the situation unfolded how it did, and what the team actually did. Maybe that was the idea though 🤔
When that chart levelled out at the end, you realize how much of a masterclass is your animation and demonstration. As always, thank you for the content and keep it up. Cheers.
Do you really need to ask? Of course we want that.
I love when there is an ad within an ad...
I always love hearing about how teams got caught cheating.
"certain team" *cough cough*Ferrari*cough cough*
A certain Scuderia wants to know your location
7:12 graphic: "save fuel fuel early on"
Please give us a video on the Ferrari cheat mode.
Ferrari watching this like: 👁👄👁
Yes, I personally would like a primer about said certain team and subverting flow rates.
really nice to see the formula e comparison!
I started watching F1 at the start of this season and find your content really informative. Really helps me understand the sport better, thanks!
I could go for an explanation on the actions of "A Certain Team"!
They need a minimum amount of fuel in parc ferme, when the cars are weighed or you are disqualified, look what happened to Ticktum in Monza F2 race last year
Indeed! If I had my way I'd go all the way and change F1 from an engine to a fuel formula:
-Everybody has to run the same standardised fuel.
-From the end of Qualifying everybody gets, say, a maximum of 100kg of fuel to spend in the race as wished. You are entirely free to develop your power unit and strategy to fit within that envelope.
At a stroke fuel development costs are eliminated, innovation is promoted, and current PUs remain viable for those who want to keep using them.
Better yet with no room to develop fuels there will be less pressure to incrementally develop PUs at great expense for little reward - once you are happy with your concept there will be little reason to keep at it.
Donut Media did that "certain" team video.
Please please , tell us the 2019 , Ferrari story !
2:27 Took me 5 seconds to realize this joke
ok, you've convinced me on the F1 side of things.
But with EVs not really being where we want them to be right now in terms of road cars, I think Formula E should allow full motor and battery development. FE should really be pushing for road relevance and they're not.
Racing with limited energy and regeneration Percentage of 35 to 40 %?? What more do you want?? I'm currently working on Electric buses and best they can achieve is 25 to 30% regeneration. Batteries should be opened up as they are the bottle neck not the motors
@@alokapte7308 that's what i mean, open it all up.
Yes I would be very happy if I could see how a _certain_ team got around that rule, yes
1:34 New Inspired Alonso Dancer
yes I would like to know how a certain team in red managed to do that :-)
You marked the coast sections of the Berlin E-Prix wrong as it goes counter clockwise under normal circumstances. But nice, that you thought of that one-off reverse layout from last year :D
2:30 subtle
I have a brain crush on Chain Bear.
Yes please, I'd love to know how a certain team pranced around the regs!
2:30
i see what you did there....