In the NES version WarMech is very easy to find with small bit of understanding how encounters actually work. Simply put they aren't random at all. If you power off the console, you will encounter WarMech as the 7th, 20th, 24th, 34th, 37th, 59th, 120th, 133rd, 138th, 190th, 192nd, and 211th battle.
Wow that’s really specific! I didn’t know they were so deterministic. Although, through playing the game 3 times in a row to make these videos, I can tell you too that the commands the enemies do in battle are also predetermined. If I had a way to show everyone, it's CRAZY. I will have to put your information to the test and see if it's true, I do have the game loaded up as we speak..
@@elgatochurro I heard this explained during a speedrun. Computers can't really do true randomness (or at least the NES can't) but can only simulate it. Final Fantasy I rolls encounters based on various factors, including how long the console has been active.
@@TheReturnersHideout That's because the random encounters in the nes FF1 aren't random. There's a counter that gets incremented after each encounter and there's a list of enemy groups for each area. When you trigger a random encounter it will be whatever enemy group that is currently at the position in the list indicated by the counter. You can use that to 'skip' an encounter group at a location on the border between two areas like the peninsula of power by moving off or onto the peninsula depending on what position of the list you're on because the counter is only reset when the console is powered off. This is also why the above poster can give such specific battle encounter numbers for warmech. The encounter rates for different enemies in nes FF1 are basically determined by how often an enemy group appears in an areas encounter list vs the total number of enemy groups on the list.
I've ran into WarMech way more often than I should have. Usually it's when I'm on the way to Tiamat so I've heavily underpowered at the time. In the 30+ years I have owned this game T Rex is the only enemy I have never encountered. IronGol was another but I actually encountered one a few years ago. Luckily that was on the NES Classic, so I made a save state.
T Rex is ultra hard to find! I believe I've only fought one once, and luckily I got it recorded when I was going through this game for these videos I've made. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
@TheReturnersHideout I know! 😂 But, I swear luck is different on cart vs emulation and either cart vs cart or console vs console. But way back in the old days, I swear you'd see stuff like you'd never encounter Warmech but your buddy always would. That's just an example but you get what I mean.
Since the Sky Palace in Final Fantasy is basically ruins of an advanced Civilization that used high tech, there's a chance the world of Final Fantasies 1 and 6 coexistence. VI most likely took place before the four fiends and Chaos came to be.
@@AndyNinXdo It could be a different kind of magic, like maybe a mutation caused by radiation, or perhaps FF1's magic is some sort of divine or paranormal gift (whereas in FF6 it was done as a sort of organic infusion). Or maybe the world of FF1 had a lot of people who started listening to eighties rock music and that made them all magical.
didnt really know about the stats for warmech and only went looking for it to complete the bestiary the other day. imagine my surprise when it launched that first nuke 🤯
SaGa, at least up through SaGa III are Final Fantasy games. They recycle overworld tiles and sprites from the NES Final Fantasy games and were made by the FFII team. They're more Final Fantasy than even Seiken Densetsu Final Fantasy Gaiden. Hell, SaGa III was made by the same team as Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.
Eh, they're about the same level of Final fantasy as Adventures. Never played the SaGa ones but Adventures is so very extremely charming it fits right in there with FF1's faery tale approach, just as Adventures.
I'm pretty sure they were their own game series but when translated to English were renamed Final Fantasy Legends because of the name recognition. I don't consider them FF games as Saga has its own series
I am going through the entire series (yes Adventure and all the Legends and Mystic Quest as well) so I'm excited to see how they all link together. I look forward to making more stretchy conspiracy videos! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Final Fantasy Dissidia establishes that all the games are not the same time-line, but each game is it's own world in another dimension. Every time you summon a summon in any game, that summon is coming from the realm of Dissidia where Cosmos and Chaos are locked in eternal battle. That is how Bahamut, ifrit and Shiva, ect are summonable in every game. Many of the number titled FF games heroes' and villains are playable in Dissidia, having been pulled there by either Cosmos or Chaos, to fight it out Mortal Kombat style. The only exception to this is FF Tactics and FF 12 where they take place in the same world of Ivalice but a thousand years apart. Also special mention to FF7 because Cloud and Aeris/Aerith also appear in FF Tactics having been transported to Ivalice via a machine that snatched them out of the lifestream in their own dimension. Since Dissidia IS the FF1 world, it makes sense that Warmech could easily be transported, accidentally or purposefully, to the other game worlds.
While I'm trying to avoid talking about Dissidia until I get there chronologically, this makes a lot of sense! I know when I get to those games, I'll have a LOT of videos to make! Thank you for watching and commenting!
so what I'm hearing is that Death Machine is some serious Battletech. And also that all the people who say "Final Fantasy Legend isn't really Final Fantasy" were wrong all this time.
Who knows - that's just a theory... But also, I think there is some real conspiracy merit to your last point. I can't wait to get to the Dissidia series to REALLY unleash a LOT of theories about this series! Thank you so much!
I'm covering the FF2 NES Prototype next and then FFLegend directly after so I'll take note of this as I make connected between them! Thank you so much!
You're right about that for sure. If only the Magitek armor had insta-kill abilities, it might just be true. Could the Empire in FFVI have the ability to create these mechs of war on par with the OG warmech?
@@lvitntnmrcls it's supposed to be 1/64 but there's no RNG so it will always be a specific encounter # every time you boot the console, and it's more like 1/15 as I recall. Though there's a big stretch where you won't see it. Later versions change it to 1% and I believe make it RNG so it's a lot harder to find.
I’ve been waiting for this video to drop. I gotta go watch your FF multiverse video. Some of your theories are a stretch but all have solid reasoning, and all of them are fun.
I appreciate you checking out my theories! It’s great to hear you enjoy them! I definitely say that my theories are a stretch but I think that's the fun part. I know my videos certainly aren't for everyone (a trip to the comment section will show you all you need to know, lol) but these videos are the ones I love to make the most! Thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment!
I recently beat FF1 PR with the intent to complete the bestiary, so I was more than ready to have trouble with warmech. Came across him within three encounters and beat him within the second turn. I had more trouble with finding Iron Golem in the Chaos Shrine, and he's meant to be EASIER to find in the PR. As for thinking in terms of a muliverse, just don't. You've included SaGa games, if you follow that logic then you have to count the Seiken Densetsu series for their depiction of dwarfs and chocobos in the earlier games.
I’m covering the whole series in chronological order and soon enough I’ve got to cover FF Adventure which is the first Seiken game. It’s programmed by some of the original FF1 staff too so I’m actually excited about it!
Well because Final fantasy Canon is like Disney taking over SW 7,8, and 9, then righting back stories to make everything fit. Ff legends wasn't a final fantasy but since they were going to make it a final fantasy game they threw in war Mach. The only way to make sense of an FF time line would be the multiverse idea which means time line is irrelevant, all can take place at the same time or not, still no difference. And finally since Disney came in and "bought" the SW canon, Canon just means, "this is what the owner says the story is".
I could see the WarMech being an advanced, pilot-less version of Magitek Armor. Maybe it was the only one of its kind, a prototype, before the world was destroyed and went back to a more medieval style of life. Did FF6 happen before other games?? HMMMMM
I had that same thought while I was making this. I don't know if there can be a true FF timeline with the existence of a Multiverse, but as we make our way chronologically through the series, I think we can connect all the puzzle pieces! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
FFXIV offers a more coherent answer to these theories: [Spoilers: Hildibrand side quests, Shadowbringers MSQ] ----- The FF multiverse is not a series of distinct-yet-related universes. It is a single fluid entity with ebbs, flows, and pockets where sometimes things share features and sometimes they do not. Gilgamesh is one of the very few characters in this multiverse that has the ability to traverse this fluid like a river rather than exist within it like a stone, and he is not fully aware of this power and how it works. This is why he appears the same across the series: while there are many WarMechs and Death Machines all created and inspired by the same magic in different worlds with different creators and different perspectives, there is only one Gilgamesh that travels between those worlds and perspectives. The existence of the thirteen reflections is still itself only one lake of the fluid of Final Fantasy. The appearance of reflections of people within those fourteen worlds as fragments of souls is a mirror image of the reflections of WarMech, the Eidolons/Eikons/Summons, Magitek, and even the common beasts such as Coeurl and Malboro. While a Coeurl in FF6 might be best known for its deadly Blaster attack, such a creature in XIV is little more than an aggressive wild cat - yet they are unmistakably related much in the same way WarMech is unmistakably a Death Machine. Further evidence of this transference of ideas between worlds is offered by the Fae, who bring dreams to people outside their home within The First. The legendary toolsmith is obviously a reflection of the legendary blacksmith from Eorzea, and despite having polar opposite personalities, they have experiences that are directly related to the dreams of their reflections. The unique creation of multiple WarMechs in multiple worlds is easily explained by the same phenomenon.
I'm currently playing the Pixel Remastered Collection version of the game 😅 and I'm currently on the Flying Fortress...soooooo looking forward to this fight, if I can find it.
You're putting WAY too much thought into this. It's simply a powerful enemy type. A precursor to maybe "optional super bosses" in later games. The Legends version and Ff 14 iteration are obviously tributes to the original enemy.
I realize some people may not find all these conspiracies fun like I do, but putting too much thought into these games is what I do here. I've got other videos that are much more informational if you'd like to check those out. Thanks for watching and commenting!
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In the NES version WarMech is very easy to find with small bit of understanding how encounters actually work. Simply put they aren't random at all. If you power off the console, you will encounter WarMech as the 7th, 20th, 24th, 34th, 37th, 59th, 120th, 133rd, 138th, 190th, 192nd, and 211th battle.
How tf are you supposed to turn off your console? He's about 10 maps away from the world map....
Wow that’s really specific! I didn’t know they were so deterministic. Although, through playing the game 3 times in a row to make these videos, I can tell you too that the commands the enemies do in battle are also predetermined. If I had a way to show everyone, it's CRAZY. I will have to put your information to the test and see if it's true, I do have the game loaded up as we speak..
I... What?
@@elgatochurro I heard this explained during a speedrun. Computers can't really do true randomness (or at least the NES can't) but can only simulate it. Final Fantasy I rolls encounters based on various factors, including how long the console has been active.
@@TheReturnersHideout That's because the random encounters in the nes FF1 aren't random. There's a counter that gets incremented after each encounter and there's a list of enemy groups for each area. When you trigger a random encounter it will be whatever enemy group that is currently at the position in the list indicated by the counter. You can use that to 'skip' an encounter group at a location on the border between two areas like the peninsula of power by moving off or onto the peninsula depending on what position of the list you're on because the counter is only reset when the console is powered off. This is also why the above poster can give such specific battle encounter numbers for warmech. The encounter rates for different enemies in nes FF1 are basically determined by how often an enemy group appears in an areas encounter list vs the total number of enemy groups on the list.
I've ran into WarMech way more often than I should have. Usually it's when I'm on the way to Tiamat so I've heavily underpowered at the time. In the 30+ years I have owned this game T Rex is the only enemy I have never encountered. IronGol was another but I actually encountered one a few years ago. Luckily that was on the NES Classic, so I made a save state.
T Rex is ultra hard to find! I believe I've only fought one once, and luckily I got it recorded when I was going through this game for these videos I've made. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Nobody else says this but I'm convinced that different carts had different seeds and emulation smoothes those edges off.
@CeeJayThe13th this reminds me of the personalized Mario 64 cart Creepy Pasta!
@TheReturnersHideout I know! 😂
But, I swear luck is different on cart vs emulation and either cart vs cart or console vs console.
But way back in the old days, I swear you'd see stuff like you'd never encounter Warmech but your buddy always would. That's just an example but you get what I mean.
Me and my brother used to “hunt” warmechs but only at max level after collecting the masamune and warping out the last dungeon
The only non-boss in the game without a palette swap.
That's a solid point! I didn't realize that before! Thank you for that!
Since the Sky Palace in Final Fantasy is basically ruins of an advanced Civilization that used high tech, there's a chance the world of Final Fantasies 1 and 6 coexistence. VI most likely took place before the four fiends and Chaos came to be.
Defeating Kefka in ff6 also makes magic disappear from the world so how does it come back in ff1?
@@AndyNinXdo It could be a different kind of magic, like maybe a mutation caused by radiation, or perhaps FF1's magic is some sort of divine or paranormal gift (whereas in FF6 it was done as a sort of organic infusion).
Or maybe the world of FF1 had a lot of people who started listening to eighties rock music and that made them all magical.
didnt really know about the stats for warmech and only went looking for it to complete the bestiary the other day. imagine my surprise when it launched that first nuke 🤯
Been there, it’s quite the moment where you sit there looking at your dead team in silence wondering what just happened lol!
WarMech also showed up in the android game, _War of the Visions_ alongside the Warrior of Light.
Thank you for the info, and for watching and commenting! Do you know of any others WarMech has appeared in??
Jack Black's long lost cousin, Jack Slightly-Grey.
(I'm right there with ya brother, my shit's grey too.)
I'm quickly becoming Jack Moderately Gray, I promise you lol
@@TheReturnersHideout Oh my damn is it grey or gray? This might be the new Coke vs New Coke. Or maybe I'm full of something unmentionable.
@ I think it depends on if you’re British or not! I personally don’t care either way so I think you’re good!
I didn't know Jack Black was into Final Fantasy.
yeah the band based around ad&d doesn't give it away lol
SaGa, at least up through SaGa III are Final Fantasy games. They recycle overworld tiles and sprites from the NES Final Fantasy games and were made by the FFII team. They're more Final Fantasy than even Seiken Densetsu Final Fantasy Gaiden. Hell, SaGa III was made by the same team as Final Fantasy Mystic Quest.
Wow i had no idea! Gonna try them out
Eh, they're about the same level of Final fantasy as Adventures. Never played the SaGa ones but Adventures is so very extremely charming it fits right in there with FF1's faery tale approach, just as Adventures.
I'm pretty sure they were their own game series but when translated to English were renamed Final Fantasy Legends because of the name recognition. I don't consider them FF games as Saga has its own series
I am going through the entire series (yes Adventure and all the Legends and Mystic Quest as well) so I'm excited to see how they all link together. I look forward to making more stretchy conspiracy videos! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Final Fantasy Dissidia establishes that all the games are not the same time-line, but each game is it's own world in another dimension. Every time you summon a summon in any game, that summon is coming from the realm of Dissidia where Cosmos and Chaos are locked in eternal battle. That is how Bahamut, ifrit and Shiva, ect are summonable in every game. Many of the number titled FF games heroes' and villains are playable in Dissidia, having been pulled there by either Cosmos or Chaos, to fight it out Mortal Kombat style. The only exception to this is FF Tactics and FF 12 where they take place in the same world of Ivalice but a thousand years apart. Also special mention to FF7 because Cloud and Aeris/Aerith also appear in FF Tactics having been transported to Ivalice via a machine that snatched them out of the lifestream in their own dimension. Since Dissidia IS the FF1 world, it makes sense that Warmech could easily be transported, accidentally or purposefully, to the other game worlds.
While I'm trying to avoid talking about Dissidia until I get there chronologically, this makes a lot of sense! I know when I get to those games, I'll have a LOT of videos to make! Thank you for watching and commenting!
Very based on moorcocks original multiverse
so what I'm hearing is that Death Machine is some serious Battletech.
And also that all the people who say "Final Fantasy Legend isn't really Final Fantasy" were wrong all this time.
Who knows - that's just a theory...
But also, I think there is some real conspiracy merit to your last point. I can't wait to get to the Dissidia series to REALLY unleash a LOT of theories about this series! Thank you so much!
@@TheReturnersHideout You're welcome.
I guess we can say our Fantasy will never be Final.
The FF Legend/Saga series ties more to Final Fantasy IIj with it's funky leveling up mechanics with weapons HP/MP etc.
I'm covering the FF2 NES Prototype next and then FFLegend directly after so I'll take note of this as I make connected between them! Thank you so much!
Cool video, I always thought warmech was one of the best secret bosses in FF. Would love to hear more about its lore and all the little details 👍
As I make my way through the game chronologically, I'm sure we'll run into Warmech again! Thanks so much!
I always thought that the MagiTek Armor in FF3(VI) looked like WarMech.
You're right about that for sure. If only the Magitek armor had insta-kill abilities, it might just be true. Could the Empire in FFVI have the ability to create these mechs of war on par with the OG warmech?
Ive always heard of this thing but never played the original. Is it a unique encounter, or can you kill it multiple times like any random encounter?
You can kill it multiple times. But the encounter rate is low. Like 1/64 if I remember right
@@lvitntnmrcls it's supposed to be 1/64 but there's no RNG so it will always be a specific encounter # every time you boot the console, and it's more like 1/15 as I recall. Though there's a big stretch where you won't see it.
Later versions change it to 1% and I believe make it RNG so it's a lot harder to find.
In the pixel remaster it can take HOURS to find Warmech!
I’ve been waiting for this video to drop. I gotta go watch your FF multiverse video. Some of your theories are a stretch but all have solid reasoning, and all of them are fun.
I appreciate you checking out my theories! It’s great to hear you enjoy them! I definitely say that my theories are a stretch but I think that's the fun part. I know my videos certainly aren't for everyone (a trip to the comment section will show you all you need to know, lol) but these videos are the ones I love to make the most! Thanks so much for watching and leaving a comment!
@ Well I’m definitely a person your videos are for. You rock man!
@Gary_P2 oh gosh thank you for the kind words! It means so much!
I recently beat FF1 PR with the intent to complete the bestiary, so I was more than ready to have trouble with warmech. Came across him within three encounters and beat him within the second turn. I had more trouble with finding Iron Golem in the Chaos Shrine, and he's meant to be EASIER to find in the PR.
As for thinking in terms of a muliverse, just don't. You've included SaGa games, if you follow that logic then you have to count the Seiken Densetsu series for their depiction of dwarfs and chocobos in the earlier games.
I’m covering the whole series in chronological order and soon enough I’ve got to cover FF Adventure which is the first Seiken game. It’s programmed by some of the original FF1 staff too so I’m actually excited about it!
Well because Final fantasy Canon is like Disney taking over SW 7,8, and 9, then righting back stories to make everything fit. Ff legends wasn't a final fantasy but since they were going to make it a final fantasy game they threw in war Mach. The only way to make sense of an FF time line would be the multiverse idea which means time line is irrelevant, all can take place at the same time or not, still no difference. And finally since Disney came in and "bought" the SW canon, Canon just means, "this is what the owner says the story is".
I could see the WarMech being an advanced, pilot-less version of Magitek Armor. Maybe it was the only one of its kind, a prototype, before the world was destroyed and went back to a more medieval style of life. Did FF6 happen before other games?? HMMMMM
I had that same thought while I was making this. I don't know if there can be a true FF timeline with the existence of a Multiverse, but as we make our way chronologically through the series, I think we can connect all the puzzle pieces! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
The almighty WarMech
FFXIV offers a more coherent answer to these theories: [Spoilers: Hildibrand side quests, Shadowbringers MSQ]
-----
The FF multiverse is not a series of distinct-yet-related universes. It is a single fluid entity with ebbs, flows, and pockets where sometimes things share features and sometimes they do not. Gilgamesh is one of the very few characters in this multiverse that has the ability to traverse this fluid like a river rather than exist within it like a stone, and he is not fully aware of this power and how it works. This is why he appears the same across the series: while there are many WarMechs and Death Machines all created and inspired by the same magic in different worlds with different creators and different perspectives, there is only one Gilgamesh that travels between those worlds and perspectives.
The existence of the thirteen reflections is still itself only one lake of the fluid of Final Fantasy. The appearance of reflections of people within those fourteen worlds as fragments of souls is a mirror image of the reflections of WarMech, the Eidolons/Eikons/Summons, Magitek, and even the common beasts such as Coeurl and Malboro. While a Coeurl in FF6 might be best known for its deadly Blaster attack, such a creature in XIV is little more than an aggressive wild cat - yet they are unmistakably related much in the same way WarMech is unmistakably a Death Machine.
Further evidence of this transference of ideas between worlds is offered by the Fae, who bring dreams to people outside their home within The First. The legendary toolsmith is obviously a reflection of the legendary blacksmith from Eorzea, and despite having polar opposite personalities, they have experiences that are directly related to the dreams of their reflections. The unique creation of multiple WarMechs in multiple worlds is easily explained by the same phenomenon.
I'm currently playing the Pixel Remastered Collection version of the game 😅 and I'm currently on the Flying Fortress...soooooo looking forward to this fight, if I can find it.
Just run around on the same floor that Tiamat is on, try to be at above level 50 and you’re good!
Great video Great videogame Great youTube player
Thanks for watching! I really appreciate it.
IMO Marcie/Marshall the Warbot from Final Fantasy Adventure and its remakes is an intentional reference to WarMECH. Humanoid Warmech!
Cool video.
I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
FF6 in FF1? Terra Terrasor in Stranger. You did play through FFO SoP, right? =o so yeah, its probably as close as ff2 in the ff1 spatial multiverse
You're putting WAY too much thought into this. It's simply a powerful enemy type. A precursor to maybe "optional super bosses" in later games.
The Legends version and Ff 14 iteration are obviously tributes to the original enemy.
I realize some people may not find all these conspiracies fun like I do, but putting too much thought into these games is what I do here. I've got other videos that are much more informational if you'd like to check those out. Thanks for watching and commenting!