@@DA-lf8dw I mean, yes. Of course. He was figuratively his dark, right hand. Why else would he want Darth Vader to get better? This isn't some "gOtChA!" that disproves or undermines OP's point like you thought it was. Moralizing at someone from a soapbox to try and undermines logical, valid points will always be cringelord behavior.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I think they were insinuating that Palpatine was a bad teacher, as most if not all the knowledge he'd share with Vader, was carefully selected as habits or techniques that Palpatine could take advantage of, or had an impregnable counter to
Funnily enough this lesson would actually save Vader’s life during his duel with the ancient Sith, Lord Momin. Where after Vader was quite literally disarmed by him, Vader was able to still pull out a win by calling upon the force to grab a nearby stone pillar and proceeded to crush Momin with it, hence “The darkside touches everything”
@@christiancolarusso5835 In Vader comics Vader comes across a Sith mask which is possessed by the spirit of an ancient Sith Lord and this Sith Lord was known as an architect who helped Vader build his castle which was designed so Vader could access this other realm which was basically some darkside version of the world between worlds. Momin manipulates Vader and uses the realm to help him return to his original living body.
Vader then teaches this same lesson when teaching his inquisitors. So this comic would sit nicely.between darth vader 7 and darth vader 8, 2017. As that's when Palpatine and vader enter the works.
Yep this sums up their relationship. Sidious is a sadist who enjoys torturing Vader because 1) punishment for his failure at Mustafar and 2) Under the Bane doctrine, the strong do what they want and the weak suffer beneath their feet until they get stronger or die. However, parallel to this, Sidious genuinely believes that all of this will fill Vader with rage and that his connection to the dark side will be strengthened. He sees himself as a wise teacher educating his naive student.
@@jakobrenner2230also, at least in the original Canon, Sidious wants to carry on the rule of the Sith by driving Vader to kill and usurp him. They kinda contradict that in everything afterwards, but that was the original idea. "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"
Palpatine taught him well a jedi would never grab an enemy from behind and throw him down a hole infact a jedi would stand before his enemy throw away his lightsaber and talk about how great they are
Well, in the begging of the vader 2017 run, vader ragdolls Sidious based on knowing he killed Padme . Palpatine tells him NEVER TO TOUCH HIM WITH THE FORCE AGAIN, OR HE WILL DIE. So how does Vader finally get him? Zero force use, just pure physicality. Never saw it coming, especially since he didn't do it out of hate.
@@thomasthetank827 For the first time in decades, Vader - Anakin was completely clear minded in purpose. Despite his suits weakness to lightning, he wasn't moved at all in the storm
They fight again in another comic that takes place 22 years after this and Vader fights almost evenly against Sidious,albeit Sidious is able to get a hit in at the end and as Vader gets angry and tries to continue the fight Sidious tells him ENOUGH which implies Vader was a serious threat and Sidious didnt want to risk it while he was on top
I don’t think that implies Vader as a threat. The two were on a mission during the time so they just had more important matters to take care of which is why Palpatine said enough
No, this is not correct. The Hidden Empire duel was not a test by Palpatine. He simply wanted to sharpen his blade, so to speak. Also, we know Vader can't beat Palpatine because Pallatine amps himself from any anger or hate towards him
There’s a vr Star Wars game that ends in you dueling Vader on mustafar and he throws big stuff at you half way through the fight. You have to catch them with the force and throw them back. I wish we had more vr Star Wars games
Not really. If you give too much they don't need you. He does this by giving him only what is necessary for himself and Vader. Showing him whose boss and you are my enforcer. That's the Rule of Two.
@@grandstasis1878 EVERY "lesson" that Palapatine taught Vader after his failure on Mustafar was a thinly veiled excuse to wail on Vader and hope he died in the process, freeing up a spot for a new apprentice. You see this countless times in-universe where Palpatine lures Vader away for a "mission", only for Vader to be ambushed and attempted to be killed by people working under Palpatines orders. It's a major plot point in the EU that Palpatine is actively seeking Vaders death and replacement. Maybe ready the comics before coming in here with that "well akshually" bs
@@j.jbinks9669 well this ain’t the EU is it, plus I’m being serious about Vader taking this to heart. Although Palpatine does put Vader through hell, which I’m definitely not denying, he still does teach Vader from time to time. This comic being one example. Because after this Vader started using the environment to his advantage in his fights, so now instead of just fighting you with just his lightsaber he’d be throwing the whole room at you which is what Palpatine was telling Vader to do here. Don’t just fight with the saber but fight with the dark side itself, use everything around you as a weapon.
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Honestly praising Palpatine for doing his job as a master for once . Sparring and drawing the lessons of the errors made in said sparring is one of the best way to progress .
To be fair, Mace didn't fight like a Jedi either. He literally walked a thin line between the light and dark side to frustrate the sith with vapaad techniques.
While I didn't really enjoy most of the recent Vader Comics, there are snippets like this which really make them interesting I always wondered how Vader got used to his new condition
I@@FriarJoe66I know I'm not OP here but for me it's because of Vader learning about Exegol and yet not telling Luke about it. The tie-ins to the sequel trilogy and Vader's lack of doing anything feel a bit forced and out of character
@@FriarJoe66 2 reasons 1) The soft retcons to write in the sequel trilogy are a mess. Exegol shoved ex abrupto really stinks 2) I really find them unnecessary most of the time. Example the cycle where Vader found out Luke was his son, the start where he employed Boba Fett was really cool but the rest of the story was really forgettable and without focus, with Vader trying to build an empire inside the empire. Or the series right after Rots, starts well but then loses focus. All boils down to this Vader's status quo cannot change, He will be always the emperor's apprentice so having him trying to gain power over Palpatine to only having him fail... it's really a waste of time, imo. Then again if you are truly a fan and not an aficionado like me I understand finding them enjoyable and good readings It's a matter of tastes and interests nothing less nothing more
That is true. I feel like the Sith use objects in theyre environment to fight way more than the Jedi do. Darth Bader did this against Luke. The only exception being Obi-Wan, when he picks up all the boulders and pushes them at Vader.
Palpatine hated the jedi for their reliance on lightsabers, he even designed his own to mock the designs of the jefi becajse of how much he despised the concept of them. He mastered light saber combat all to mock it necause he felt it was a crude imitation of what the force could do and was used as a cruch
Palpatine was a pyscho but this is actually good advice in a real fight you're opponent won't be honorable so you should think and adapt and turn the environment into a weapon
In legends in Operation Knightfall Anakin used a huge statue of a Jedi to break a great door in the Jedi temple and killed multiple Jedi in the process
News flash to Sidious! Yoda and Windu fought like Jedi too! Yoda only lost because of being closer to the edge of the pod and Windu lost after being betrayed by Anakin!
Vader remembers this lesson in hes first fight with Luke throwing objects at him
Yup!
Is there a thing about Obi-Wan's parents?@@VadersOrder
@@FragmentMCC Stewjon
He also throws his lightsaber at Luke and collapses the platform he was standing on.
But forgot it during his second battle with his former master. Obi Wan used rocks to fight him.
Palpatine was actually a good teacher when he told him what he did wrong
He only told him what would be useful for Palpatine himself.
@@DA-lf8dw I mean, yes. Of course. He was figuratively his dark, right hand. Why else would he want Darth Vader to get better?
This isn't some "gOtChA!" that disproves or undermines OP's point like you thought it was.
Moralizing at someone from a soapbox to try and undermines logical, valid points will always be cringelord behavior.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I think they were insinuating that Palpatine was a bad teacher, as most if not all the knowledge he'd share with Vader, was carefully selected as habits or techniques that Palpatine could take advantage of, or had an impregnable counter to
Everyone is a hero in their story.
After he taunted him 😂
He was really like 1v1 me right now bro
Elemefayo elowel 😂
Imagine if Sidious started trash talking Vader like "You're dogwater"
1v1 on rust, intervention only, no hard scoping
"Vader, you're trash man"
"Shut the hell up Palps, my Internet was lagging"
@@Lady_Amelia-Eloise1v1, lightsabers only, 4 stocks, no force chokes.
"So I threw the Senate at him. True story!" 😂
Robot chicken go for papa Palpatine
Ahahahhaa great comment
"the whole Senate!"
It's treason then.
What's an Aluminum Falcon?
In Jedi: Fallen Order, you experienced this first hand, as Vader threw everything at Cal Kestis during their brief duel.
Episode 5
Duel? Was more like a 'hunt'
@@timt6312 Won’t disagree with that! But I was using this instance of Vader using the Force to hurl projectiles at his enemies.
He threw a room at him hahaha
Nah im ngl that shit is scared me bro i was running for my life that mission @timt6312
Funnily enough this lesson would actually save Vader’s life during his duel with the ancient Sith, Lord Momin. Where after Vader was quite literally disarmed by him, Vader was able to still pull out a win by calling upon the force to grab a nearby stone pillar and proceeded to crush Momin with it, hence “The darkside touches everything”
I thought there was only palpatine and Vader as sith alive because palpatine killed plagues
@@christiancolarusso5835 In Vader comics Vader comes across a Sith mask which is possessed by the spirit of an ancient Sith Lord and this Sith Lord was known as an architect who helped Vader build his castle which was designed so Vader could access this other realm which was basically some darkside version of the world between worlds. Momin manipulates Vader and uses the realm to help him return to his original living body.
Why not just force grab lightsabers all the time and easily win?
@@CODA96 Because force users have force barriers that prevent an opponent from effectively touching them with them force.
Vader then teaches this same lesson when teaching his inquisitors. So this comic would sit nicely.between darth vader 7 and darth vader 8, 2017.
As that's when Palpatine and vader enter the works.
Master I lost my weapon
You are the weapon, my apprentice 😂
Sidious being a better teacher than Yoda is crazy
To be fair. Sith for the most part only strived for power. Jedi had ideals and morals. You are right, in regards to the strength.
Private tutelage and mentorship from a universally successful businessman
Vs
Attending MBA courses
Yoda just pretends to be a master
Palpatines relationship with Vader is like Mario and Bowser-- sometimes they're trying to maim or assassinate eachother, other times they play tennis
One of the fewest wholesome moments between Palpatine and Vader
Anything to make Vader as miserable as possible...yet, he seemed to actually care for Vader in a sick twisted way.
He wants vader as strong as possible
So he can amp himself from vaders rage and hate towards him.
We see this in the comics
That's what grooming is
Yep this sums up their relationship. Sidious is a sadist who enjoys torturing Vader because 1) punishment for his failure at Mustafar and 2) Under the Bane doctrine, the strong do what they want and the weak suffer beneath their feet until they get stronger or die.
However, parallel to this, Sidious genuinely believes that all of this will fill Vader with rage and that his connection to the dark side will be strengthened. He sees himself as a wise teacher educating his naive student.
@@jakobrenner2230also, at least in the original Canon, Sidious wants to carry on the rule of the Sith by driving Vader to kill and usurp him.
They kinda contradict that in everything afterwards, but that was the original idea. "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"
@@maxburrill6192 i think his plan changed after mustafar
Palpatine forgot that his ass was beaten by the Master of the Jedi Order Mace Windu when he told Vader that he fights like a Jedi.
He's a master manipulator, he wanted Anakin to kill a jedi as that would be a point of no return.
@@AbbdonDespoiler mace just beat him end of story
Mace didn't fight like regular jedi. His form Vaapad was very aggressive and wielder needed to touch the dark side. So basically he was right
Mace windu fought like a sith.The only reason he defeated Sidious.
Oh you mean the guy who caused the downfall of the Jedi and needed half the council to jump Sidious? Lmao
Palpatine taught him well a jedi would never grab an enemy from behind and throw him down a hole infact a jedi would stand before his enemy throw away his lightsaber and talk about how great they are
See what you did there 💀💀💀
Well, in the begging of the vader 2017 run, vader ragdolls Sidious based on knowing he killed Padme .
Palpatine tells him NEVER TO TOUCH HIM WITH THE FORCE AGAIN, OR HE WILL DIE.
So how does Vader finally get him? Zero force use, just pure physicality. Never saw it coming, especially since he didn't do it out of hate.
@@thomasthetank827 For the first time in decades, Vader - Anakin was completely clear minded in purpose. Despite his suits weakness to lightning, he wasn't moved at all in the storm
@jDiddyi well canon suit has no weakness to lightning, but yes
They fight again in another comic that takes place 22 years after this and Vader fights almost evenly against Sidious,albeit Sidious is able to get a hit in at the end and as Vader gets angry and tries to continue the fight Sidious tells him ENOUGH which implies Vader was a serious threat and Sidious didnt want to risk it while he was on top
I don’t think that implies Vader as a threat. The two were on a mission during the time so they just had more important matters to take care of which is why Palpatine said enough
No, this is not correct. The Hidden Empire duel was not a test by Palpatine. He simply wanted to sharpen his blade, so to speak.
Also, we know Vader can't beat Palpatine because Pallatine amps himself from any anger or hate towards him
Their confrontation on Exegol, though not involving a clash of lightsabers, very clearly demonstrates Sidious' superiority.
I’ve always wanted to see the Emperor actually do some real training with Vader 101
who here thinks palps looks like hes been smoking since he came out of the womb
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao 🤣 Ikr
The harder the lesson the better the understanding.
Palpatine: Get sh#t on Lord vader
That was actually a good lesson
And it looks like he took this lesson to heart and he did implement it in some Star Wars games.
Sounds like a great teacher to me
"1v1 me Mustafar bro"
"1v1, Mustafar, no item, Vader only (Palpatine's ok)"
“Constant mini map bro.”
“100% health bro”
“Snipers only bro.”
“😈”
There’s a vr Star Wars game that ends in you dueling Vader on mustafar and he throws big stuff at you half way through the fight. You have to catch them with the force and throw them back. I wish we had more vr Star Wars games
Sidious was an amazing teacher , the dark side really does get the main point across with no added confusion 😆👏🏾🔥
Star wars jedi fallen order. When Cal fights Vader
That sudden pause after mocking Vader and teaching him where he went wrong shows that little affection for his apprentice.
Palpatine is actually a good master in this scenario. He does care about Vader, he wants him to improve. He shows what his problem is.
He cares about power.. he’s just fine tuning an tool
Not really. If you give too much they don't need you. He does this by giving him only what is necessary for himself and Vader. Showing him whose boss and you are my enforcer. That's the Rule of Two.
he indeed learned, considering he chucked objects at starkiller nonstop on their battle on kamino
A very old Sith technique called Dun Moch.
We need a vader series!!!!
**Vader beats Palps at Rocket League**
Palps: Oi 1v1 me init blud!
Although Sidious was pure evil, this was actually a good lesson from him.
"I challenge you to a lightsaber duel"
"YOU FOOL! You're not supposed to rely on your Lightsaber!"
Huh?
Fr..
It was a test ding dong
It's kind of fucked up when you realise that the whole "I'm going to teach a lesson" was purely as justification for beating on Vader lol
Well not really, this actually was a lesson that Vader actually does learn and see him take to heart through the timeline.
@@grandstasis1878 EVERY "lesson" that Palapatine taught Vader after his failure on Mustafar was a thinly veiled excuse to wail on Vader and hope he died in the process, freeing up a spot for a new apprentice.
You see this countless times in-universe where Palpatine lures Vader away for a "mission", only for Vader to be ambushed and attempted to be killed by people working under Palpatines orders. It's a major plot point in the EU that Palpatine is actively seeking Vaders death and replacement.
Maybe ready the comics before coming in here with that "well akshually" bs
@@j.jbinks9669 well this ain’t the EU is it, plus I’m being serious about Vader taking this to heart. Although Palpatine does put Vader through hell, which I’m definitely not denying, he still does teach Vader from time to time. This comic being one example. Because after this Vader started using the environment to his advantage in his fights, so now instead of just fighting you with just his lightsaber he’d be throwing the whole room at you which is what Palpatine was telling Vader to do here. Don’t just fight with the saber but fight with the dark side itself, use everything around you as a weapon.
@@grandstasis1878 5 days and still no reply looks like you've won the argument *ding ding* oh, would you look at that your car has arrived. Would u like to go to your house, here let me type it into the GPS *Types in 108🎉 AMAZING WINNER'S🎉 ST.* 😀
How come I never got to do this with my master?? I'm calling palpatine right now... (coughs)
yeah cuz you can't call Dooku anymore 💀
@@petermcbriar6676 DAM, U JEDI SCUM
Honestly praising Palpatine for doing his job as a master for once .
Sparring and drawing the lessons of the errors made in said sparring is one of the best way to progress .
And Vader used this advice I believe. I forgot if it was before or after, but he killed his first Jedi using water from a dam and hostages.
I’d say Vader had flashbacks to this while fighting Luke who pushed him over that ledge and said “not on my watch”
“1v1 me bro.”
Sidious "you fight like a Jedi."
Darth Vader: "Mace put the clamps on you tho."
To be fair, Mace didn't fight like a Jedi either. He literally walked a thin line between the light and dark side to frustrate the sith with vapaad techniques.
Anakin was “holding” Vader’s blows
Sounds like a d@mn good lesson. ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE/WAR.
I love that Vader gave pretty much that lesson to the grand inquisitor and the others when he was teaching them.
Two birds one shot: Palpatine also told Vader indirectly "don't even think about trying to kill me, you stand no chance"
"By using the Dark Side, everything around you can become a weapon. Like a senate, for example"
Alternate title: "Disfigured old man beats up a cripple using telekinesis."
The fact that he taught us this in Vader Immortal 2 is so cool
Meanwhile Obi-Wan using all the rocks against Vader
Vader clearly remembered this lesson when he used sidious as a weapon against the reactor shaft
That was actually a good teaching lesson😂
Palps: "Fight dirty bro."
What a wholesome master apprentice relationship
While I didn't really enjoy most of the recent Vader Comics, there are snippets like this which really make them interesting
I always wondered how Vader got used to his new condition
What don’t you like about the new vader comics? Just curious about other people’s opinions
I@@FriarJoe66I know I'm not OP here but for me it's because of Vader learning about Exegol and yet not telling Luke about it. The tie-ins to the sequel trilogy and Vader's lack of doing anything feel a bit forced and out of character
@@FriarJoe66
2 reasons
1) The soft retcons to write in the sequel trilogy are a mess. Exegol shoved ex abrupto really stinks
2) I really find them unnecessary most of the time. Example the cycle where Vader found out Luke was his son, the start where he employed Boba Fett was really cool but the rest of the story was really forgettable and without focus, with Vader trying to build an empire inside the empire. Or the series right after Rots, starts well but then loses focus. All boils down to this Vader's status quo cannot change, He will be always the emperor's apprentice so having him trying to gain power over Palpatine to only having him fail... it's really a waste of time, imo. Then again if you are truly a fan and not an aficionado like me I understand finding them enjoyable and good readings
It's a matter of tastes and interests nothing less nothing more
Palp: 1v1 me bro, are you scared?
What’s cool is that Palpatine is one of if not the best duelist in history. He mastered every single form
This explains Empire Strikes Back.
Vader to Palpatine, I'm Forever your Girrl
Palpatine really said “let’s just skip the boss rounds”
This is what I like to call The Force Unleashed combat mindset
“Yo Vader, 1v1 me bro!”
Palpatine is a great teacher
This should be a Star Wars animated episode in a series like Tales of the Jedi.
Palpatine vs Disabled guy in a suit
Excellent lesson.
Sideous wouldn't want to 1v1 10 years later
‘1v1 me bro I’ll box you like a fish’
In Vader Immortal II VR Vader uses this against you in training.
The last time cader used the force against sidious, sidous threatened to kill him
Fast Forward To The Empire Strikes Back...Vader Proceeds To Throw Stuff At His Own Son.
Whenever Palpatine wasn't being a massive unwashed ass, he's a pretty good teacher.
Yup just like when yoda was owning him with a lightsaber he had to resort to throwing things 😂
That is true. I feel like the Sith use objects in theyre environment to fight way more than the Jedi do. Darth Bader did this against Luke. The only exception being Obi-Wan, when he picks up all the boulders and pushes them at Vader.
"You fight like a Jedi," - said the guy who got his ass handed to him by Jedi in a lightsaber fight. Lol.
Even Obi Wan understood this as a Jedi. He used the ceiling to crush the robots before fighting Griveous.
Imagine youre running from a dog and it starts fucking riding one of those chasing you
Then he started cranking 90s on Palatine
This led to Vader using the force often in his path on the darkside
Meanwhile Obi Wan taught Anakin to cherish his lightsaber, for it’s his life
Obi wan through rock's at vader
Palpatine just Sithsplained Vader hardcore lmao.
Palpatine hated the jedi for their reliance on lightsabers, he even designed his own to mock the designs of the jefi becajse of how much he despised the concept of them. He mastered light saber combat all to mock it necause he felt it was a crude imitation of what the force could do and was used as a cruch
When you are strong. Pretend to be weak
Imagine if Jackie Chan joined the Dark Side...
it’s crazy how strong palp rlly was
If Anakin didn’t came into the suit, sidious would easy lose, since he would be the most OP sith ever
It was actually to let Vader remember that he would never think about betraying Palpatine.
and this is why Darth Vader learn from his mistakes xD
Kinda trippy how vader is stuck in the center to weak to overthrow and yet to strong to die
To be fair I feel like Palpatine would be a good teacher just for the wrong reasons
Now I see where Vader got the technique from.
Sidius: 1v1 me bro
Vader: BET $50
Palpatine was a pyscho but this is actually good advice in a real fight you're opponent won't be honorable so you should think and adapt and turn the environment into a weapon
In legends in Operation Knightfall Anakin used a huge statue of a Jedi to break a great door in the Jedi temple and killed multiple Jedi in the process
Wow, one of the few times Palpatine actually helped Vader
I know it's meant to be a brutal lesson, but it feels somehow wholesome. Am I the only one?
Be mindful of your surroundings.
yes master😅👍🏼🙏🏼
When you realize he was supposed to fight like this in the original concept of Anakin vs Obi-Wan
Palpatine: severely limits vaders abilities
Also palpatine: challenges him to a duel😂
Ye, Sidious really designed the suit so vader could barely move, then taunted him for not being as strong as before...
"Somehow Palpatine returned......." 🤪
News flash to Sidious! Yoda and Windu fought like Jedi too! Yoda only lost because of being closer to the edge of the pod and Windu lost after being betrayed by Anakin!