Vegan Activist Vs Anti-Activism Vegan?! : James Kite Street Activism
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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Now! Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed this conversation, but I was frustrated by the lack of control I had in it - especially after a lot of (fair and faithful) editing. There was a lot of talking past each other where we could have come to understand each other sooner, which I would put a lot down to me - It was a 30 minute conversation that meandered all over the place.
I have learnt some lessons about how best to keep control of the conversation (- staying on topic) while keeping it conversational. - @clifgrant does it best!
I deduce that this fella's strange vegan take comes from a willingness to absolve themselves of the obligation to educate and enlighten others - perhaps subconsciously. - disguised as a "people should be free to find their own way" - without being encouraged? Without being informed of the facts? - and yet he would intervene if he saw a dog being harmed in the street.
Anyway, I enjoyed the discussion and thought some of it was worth sharing :)
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Great conversation James! This guys position is odd haha, not sure how someone could have seen the things he has and not want to wake others up to the violence they are causing.
💯😵💫 he was doing well to give me all the anti vegan rhetoric he could 😅
I agree with Amber. Very odd, but you handled it very well James.
We couldn't see his friend's face but it seems like he was listening and learning.
Why would we want people to stay in the dark about the consequences of their choices?
You can't actually force anybody to accept your views. You can only educate them and encourage them to make good decisions.
Thank you for standing up for animals ✊✊✊✊
He's not vegan, he's plant based
I love your outreach 💚💚💚💚
Thank you for your activism I hope they watch Pignorant♥️♥️♥️🐷🐮🐔🐟🐇🦊🐒🐕🐑 Veganism is the future!💚💚💚🌎🌍🌏😊😊😊🐥🐥🐥
Excellent work bro !!!!!!
Thank you so much! 💚 Legend! 🫡
The amount of people who tell me that the reason they like animals is because they are "fluffy" is incredible! I always chuckle when that happens.
That guy who says is a Vegan is only saying it to give himself some credibility in the discussion, he is not a Vegan that is obvious by what he is saying. Also he keeps going on about not forcing or insisting people go Vegan, when that is not what the Activist( James Kite and all outreach activists who hold signs up) is doing he is just creating debate on the subject! 🌻🌎✊🏽
Great video, James. Keep up the great work 🙌🏻
i really appreciate what you do for animals. you were very eloquent in the last video i saw and really on point. If I may, can i offer you a hopefully constructive perspective in terms of the definition of veganism. The reason i would like to offer my perspective is because people like this guy will ask questions about "stepping on ants" or similar and the answers can get very convoluted whereas they are actually very simple and straightforward, so here goes:
veganism is not about the reduction of harm (thats a utilitarian stance, not a vegan one). if the argument is about the reduction of harm then technically someone could rape a pig in a farrowing crate as long as they are careful and give her a strong enough date rape drug so she doesnt know what happened when she wakes up.
its about being against the EXPLOITATION (keyword) and USE of animals as objects or resources. Its about changing peoples mentality towards animals and raising their status in society (they are here WITH us not FOR us). Then when the question arises about "stepping on ants" or "where to draw the line" or some kind of "animals suffering in the wild" the answer is very simple: thats outside the scope of veganism. Veganism is an ethical obligation not to use and exploit animals for human benefit (and yes this includes not exploiting insects for honey or silk too.). By stopping exploitation and use of animals you automatically reduce harm as a consequence. and its still virtuous to not step on ants and to help wild animals but thats outside the scope of veganism.
you kind of touched upon it but felt the argument went more strongly towards reducing harm.
Oh 100%.... I got lost haha. I said "even in the utilitarian assessment" or something similar which tried to highlight what's significant is not the harm per se - but the commodification - not violating the rights of animals.
It's frustrating to find that the point was missed and I didn't deliver it as clearly as I would like.
Thanks for laying it out simply for me! :)
@@JamesKiteActivism you did very well, it was really just a suggestion and I appreciate your openness to it. I don't think you could have done much more with this guy, I think he was still stuck in his old mentality. your conversation with him might have given him food for thought. looking forward to future videos and much respect for putting yourself out there to fight the good fight
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A self important non vegan who actively stands up for crueltyt to animals. Well done for not letting him talk you down.
Pretty sure a lot of people who claim to be vegan in these video's aren't. I wonder what his shoes were made out of? I also wonder what his stance on things like forced marriage or slavery are? Does he agree in forcing his view on people when it comes to that or is he ok with people making their own personal choice?
Idk if I could handle doing outreach when somebody is smoking...sigh.
Excellent outreach. Thank you 💗💗💗
vegan for all animals !
This guy was clearly not a vegan😂 With all of his defensiveness i would have liked to hear you ask him why exactly he became "vegan"
Oh boy have I thought the same since! - He kept me busy with anti-vegan arguments! lol... I was lost for a fair chunk of it hahaha
Great work James, you got some really good points across. Even after doing street activism for five & a half years, I'm still very critical of the content of my conversations & how effective they were, even when other activists have heard me & tell me how good it was. There is no school of activism, we just have find our own way & what works best for us. If you haven't already got, maybe a good idea to get Earthling Ed's book 'How to Argue with a Meat Eater (& Win Every Time)'. Also this guy was quite a challenge, very strange views for a 'vegan' lol
Great job, James!
I'm glad you're not letting him get off the hook about his apologetic stance.
It is disappointing when a carnist makes up silly excuses for why they eat animal products, but when a so called 'vegan' talks like this. It is incredibly disheartening. We are meant to be on the same side. The side of the animals! 😢
Wow, this guy’s position is very interesting. It’s hard to believe that he is really vegan.
Well done James! Thankyou for giving your time to educate people about the atrocities that occur in animal industrial farming. Vegan for life. 🌱🇦🇺
reacting to this on my channel right now!!!
Great work! Subscribed.
Well done, Jones. I have no words for that bloke…both of them actually!!!
The main person you were talking to - he’s clearly not vegan; he’s either a troll or simply plant-based. Infuriating
*James
"I'm vegan, but eating animals is a personal choice. Where do you draw the line? Walking on grass also kills. Don't force your views. People need to understand this on their own without our help. It's not up to me to make people think. Crop deaths, though. War in Ukraine, though. Omnivores, though. Corruption, though."
.... Right, you're vegan xD Good one, dude!
Ikr! I got all the carnist excuses 😅
I do think he was genuine, but only from his personal experience.
This notion of "freedom" I think, was just a way to absolve himself of the obligation to inform people - perhaps unconsciously.
@@JamesKiteActivism I don't know. I've seen this a few times before, that someone says they're vegan so you won't talk about them specifically, but then everything they say afterwards goes against veganism. Maybe he was plant based, thinking that's the same thing.
This guy sounds like he went plant based because he worked on a farm and for his mental health couldn't eat animals anymore and maybe physical health reasons aswell.
I think that's a fair assumption :)
Those are meat eater arguments he's making.
What a hypocrite 😅
Man -“it’s not an opinion you can force on others”
Vegan -“If you saw a dog getting kicked in the head..”
Man -“Oh I’d kill him”
So you would force your opinion on the person kicking the dog but tell others they can’t force theirs? Thats hypocritical and double standards is he listening to himself? 😅😂
Is vegan food cruelty free
What about the animal's perspective? Should we consider them into our moral compass ?
That man doesn't want to force anything on anybody.
Very sadly farmed animals are being forced to live lives of horror.
And they're forced to get slaughtered.
I'm so tired of humans and their rights to eat what they want while totally dismissing the suffering of other beings.
this person isn't vegan in the slightest - even the pick-me vegan.
A vegan that bothers to bring up "critters killed in crop production"? and "wars though" and "personal choice".
Yea good one. 100% not a vegan.
So what then do you do about those that aren't blind. Having the same information as you, but still chooses to eat meat. I'm one of those very people, from my past experiences most just call me an animal abuser and call it a day. Though a positive is I don't really eat pork anymore, don't much agree with their treatment. I may want farming practices to improve, but my morals don't believe eating meat is wrong. Though like the other chap said, it's my choice to make.
I would try to connect you to your existing morals and encourage you align them with your actions.
When you say "eating meat" and "it's my choice" - you're not seeing it from the animals perspective.
If you wouldn't unnecessarily harm a dog, then why unnecessarily harm any other animal for the sake of a meal.
It is a choice - so why choose cruelty and death.
Watch "Land of Hope and Glory" by Earthling Ed for an account of standard UK farming practices.
Put yourself in the position of the animals - the victims in this scenario and reassess.
All the best
@JamesKiteActivism I've followed Earthling Ed for 4 years now, along with Joey Carbstrong, and quite a few other vegan content creators. Why I said I have all the same info as you, I started watching to challenge my own views. Though despite a few minor changes, I realized my views are different.
You use abuse as a comparable, so if I eat a burger how could object to someone kicking a dog for their pleasure. Though my response would be the same if I saw a person kicking a cow. An animal deserves respect no matter if they are livestock, wild, or a pet.
I do think animal farming practices need to improve, to give animals better lives while in our charge. I eventually plan to raise my own animals in the future, that way I no longer contribute to a problematic system.