This was a thoughtful and fair video. That said, most who get labeled "dispensationalist" do not believe what is presented here. Yet they get confronted as though they do because of their belief in the rapture.
Indeed, it's the underlying theology. One needs to be clear though that those in Christ are the chosen people. And that Jews are something else, unless they are born again in Christ.
And the system feeds into the robbing of one's assurance. A constant "scaring" of parishioners and undermining of their standing in Christ alone comes about as a result of this system, particularly in the Baptist denomination, where this is most prevalent (although charismatics and Wesleyans are not entirely immune to it either).
Albeit a clever one. Most folks will be impressed by the systematic arguments they make and the appearance of logic and orders. The flaws are more of a principle, fundamental nature.
Thanks for exposing some errors on dispensationalism. Also to show that it is different from premillennialism. I found the key errors to be their star trek theology (pretribulation rapture) and them declaring 'Jews' to be 'chosen people'. What is needed is to present a sound eschatology / history of grace, plus making it clear that the 'chosen people' are a spiritual entity.
Exodus 11:7 But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel. Leviticus20:24-26 But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. 25Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. Numbers 23:9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations. 1kings8:53 For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD. Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel Mathew 15:22-26 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. Ephesians2:11-12 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
@@wolfwatchers If you quote scripture, you still got to make an argument with it. Don't let the audience 'guess' what you are trying to say. I don't think it is proving what you think it does. Say nothing, if you agree.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 the scriptures make the argument for me! but ill expound! God created the nation of Israel and separated her from every other nation and people , gentiles had no hope were strangers from the commonwealth and covenants that was for the separated nation of Israel up until the revelation of the body of Christ to Paul Israel was Gods Chosen, set apart people ! it was her (Israel) fall in acts 7 that even brought apart salvation for gentiles (rom 11:11) god set his chosen people aside and gave them over to blindness until the fulness of the gentiles come in the nation is and will always be his chosen people they are just given over to blindness for the time being but that doesnt negate the fact God created them and set them apart from every other nation of the earth!
@@wolfwatchers "the scriptures make the argument for me! " No, they don't. It doesn't help you to present scripture, you apparently don't understand neither. To be clear. Paul DID NOT talk about people here that call themselves Jews or Israel. Although they are mentioned elsewhere in the NT. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 for example. Also bear in mind that Paul wrote this prior to the destruction of the temple. OT Chosen: People descending from Abraham via Israel and Jacob. NT Chosen: People that are children of God via faith in Jesus Christ. (In Christ Because they are born again). People descending from Abraham can of course still become part of the Chosen by coming to faith in Christ, despite their ancestor having rejected them. Various sects have done this (Not only those in Judaism, I should add). But you don't get an automatic pass by virtue who your parents are or were. Obvious false teaching, but Christoid Zionists / Dispensationalists spread it, insist on it, slander those that rebuke it. Just shows whose children they are.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 Paul uses words like circumcision and uncircumcision for people like you who try to spiritualize the Nation of Israel, Gods created real nation ! Ephesians 2:11-12, Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Romans 11:11 Romans 11:25 ( by paul) is this the spiritual nation of Israel that fell and God blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in ? have the fullness of the gentiles come in yet? or are gentiles still getting saved??? yes than Gods chosen people Israel are blind up to this very day! its God who blinded them! and rather they are blind or not they are Gods people and always have been he didn't just choose Israel among other nations he created Israel and set them apart !!!
Dispensationalism is horrible and heretical. This isn't speaking to whether one is amillenial or pre or post. The point is simply that nothing Jesus said or did could ever, at any time in history, have been incorrect or sin.
I can't believe that there are a few real Christians who still exist. The largest 'religion' in numbers is the weakest in numbers apparently. The whole weight of the cross seems to be carried by the few who have a heart.
Revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Tereo ek tay-reh'-o Verb NAS Word Usage - Total: 71 1. to attend to carefully, take care of a. to guard b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is c. to observe d. to reserve: to undergo something Ek ek Preposition NAS Word Usage - Total: 62 1. out of, from, by, away from harpazō 1) to seize, carry off by force 2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly 3) to snatch out or away
John 3:16 states, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Also in John's gospel it is written "'If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.' But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." The apostle Paul states that "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17), the apostles John and Paul say that the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe/have faith in Christ Jesus (John 7:37-39, Galatians 3:1-9). The apostle Peter, in recounting the conversion of gentiles, Cornelius and his relatives and close friends, says "Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ " (Acts 11:16). The apostle Paul in the first epistle to the Corinthians says: "For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many." (1 Cor 12:12-14) - "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body." The body of Christ, the ἐκκλησία, commonly translated "church", also corresponding to the bride of Christ (though certain dispensationlists try to dispute this). - How then, in light of this, can those spoken of in Revelation 7 "who come out of the great tribulation" not be the church?
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Traditional Lutherans are the most sane protestants.and I respect them
This was a thoughtful and fair video.
That said, most who get labeled "dispensationalist" do not believe what is presented here. Yet they get confronted as though they do because of their belief in the rapture.
A thorough, orthodox refutation of dispensatism?
Splendid
Major cause of Christian Zionism, which is equally problematic.
Indeed, it's the underlying theology. One needs to be clear though that those in Christ are the chosen people. And that Jews are something else, unless they are born again in Christ.
What about Romans 9 to 11?
@@seanvogel8067 what about it?
@@Dark_Moon_Grass , how about you read it very carefully.
@@seanvogel8067 I have, tell me why you think those verses teach either dispensationalism or Christian Zionism.
And the system feeds into the robbing of one's assurance. A constant "scaring" of parishioners and undermining of their standing in Christ alone comes about as a result of this system, particularly in the Baptist denomination, where this is most prevalent (although charismatics and Wesleyans are not entirely immune to it either).
Glad to see we have our own apoplectic channel here in the Lutheran Church. I've been looking for good solid apologetics.
Dispensationalism is heresy
Albeit a clever one. Most folks will be impressed by the systematic arguments they make and the appearance of logic and orders. The flaws are more of a principle, fundamental nature.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 its just basically a Zionist interpretation of Scripture
What happens to the heretics?
Thanks for exposing some errors on dispensationalism. Also to show that it is different from premillennialism.
I found the key errors to be their star trek theology (pretribulation rapture) and them declaring 'Jews' to be 'chosen people'.
What is needed is to present a sound eschatology / history of grace, plus making it clear that the 'chosen people' are a spiritual entity.
Exodus 11:7
But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.
Leviticus20:24-26
But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people. 25Ye shall therefore put difference between clean beasts and unclean, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Numbers 23:9
For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.
1kings8:53
For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD.
Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Mathew 15:22-26
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Ephesians2:11-12
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Romans 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
@@wolfwatchers If you quote scripture, you still got to make an argument with it. Don't let the audience 'guess' what you are trying to say.
I don't think it is proving what you think it does. Say nothing, if you agree.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 the scriptures make the argument for me! but ill expound! God created the nation of Israel and separated her from every other nation and people , gentiles had no hope were strangers from the commonwealth and covenants that was for the separated nation of Israel up until the revelation of the body of Christ to Paul Israel was Gods Chosen, set apart people ! it was her (Israel) fall in acts 7 that even brought apart salvation for gentiles (rom 11:11)
god set his chosen people aside and gave them over to blindness until the fulness of the gentiles come in the nation is and will always be his chosen people they are just given over to blindness for the time being but that doesnt negate the fact God created them and set them apart from every other nation of the earth!
@@wolfwatchers "the scriptures make the argument for me! "
No, they don't.
It doesn't help you to present scripture, you apparently don't understand neither.
To be clear. Paul DID NOT talk about people here that call themselves Jews or Israel. Although they are mentioned elsewhere in the NT. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 for example.
Also bear in mind that Paul wrote this prior to the destruction of the temple.
OT Chosen: People descending from Abraham via Israel and Jacob.
NT Chosen: People that are children of God via faith in Jesus Christ. (In Christ Because they are born again).
People descending from Abraham can of course still become part of the Chosen by coming to faith in Christ, despite their ancestor having rejected them. Various sects have done this (Not only those in Judaism, I should add). But you don't get an automatic pass by virtue who your parents are or were. Obvious false teaching, but Christoid Zionists / Dispensationalists spread it, insist on it, slander those that rebuke it. Just shows whose children they are.
@@metapolitikgedanken612 Paul uses words like circumcision and uncircumcision for people like you who try to spiritualize the Nation of Israel, Gods created real nation !
Ephesians 2:11-12,
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Romans 11:11
Romans 11:25
( by paul) is this the spiritual nation of Israel that fell and God blinded until the fullness of the gentiles come in ? have the fullness of the gentiles come in yet? or are gentiles still getting saved??? yes than Gods chosen people Israel are blind up to this very day! its God who blinded them! and rather they are blind or not they are Gods people and always have been he didn't just choose Israel among other nations he created Israel and set them apart !!!
Dispensationalism is horrible and heretical. This isn't speaking to whether one is amillenial or pre or post. The point is simply that nothing Jesus said or did could ever, at any time in history, have been incorrect or sin.
I can't believe that there are a few real Christians who still exist. The largest 'religion' in numbers is the weakest in numbers apparently. The whole weight of the cross seems to be carried by the few who have a heart.
I'm all for bashing despensationalism
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
John 3:16 states, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Also in John's gospel it is written "'If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.' But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified."
The apostle Paul states that "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17), the apostles John and Paul say that the Holy Spirit is given to those who believe/have faith in Christ Jesus (John 7:37-39, Galatians 3:1-9). The apostle Peter, in recounting the conversion of gentiles, Cornelius and his relatives and close friends, says "Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ " (Acts 11:16).
The apostle Paul in the first epistle to the Corinthians says:
"For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many." (1 Cor 12:12-14)
- "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body." The body of Christ, the ἐκκλησία, commonly translated "church", also corresponding to the bride of Christ (though certain dispensationlists try to dispute this).
- How then, in light of this, can those spoken of in Revelation 7 "who come out of the great tribulation" not be the church?