This is the first time I hear about this “manipulation” shadow side. I think I might have done this before. The traumas from my childhood were so intense that I honestly hit rock bottom when rejected, I’m a self-guarding expert 👌🏽
I don’t even think it’s possible to have child ab*se trauma and not grow up to manipulate others. Most of this is done subconsciously. We have to have our needs met because we are humans after all, and our toxic parents modeled how to do it- manipulation tactics.
In my experience reading charts over the years I've noticed a few things with this placement, especially if there are negative aspects to the personal planets. A lot of secrets in the family that if they were to get out would change how the community sees them. Sexual or physical abuse and/or a parent who was sexually abused and becomes controlling. Mental illness especially in the mother is something I've seen a lot of in this. Suicide or suicide attempts. Seeing things that shouldn't have been seen usually not understood until adulthood. One of my good friends from childhood had this placement with a square to his moon in the 12th. Parents met in a mental hospital. Mother was mentally ill. Moved around a lot. Father committed suicide in childhood. He ended up being committed to mental hospitals (12th house) throughout his teens and was put on tons of medications. He also ended up committing suicide when he had a conjunction transit to his Pluto. He had just gotten out of jail (12th house) and found his girlfriend (Moon) had found someone else. He destroyed the house. Tore all the kitchen cabinets off the walls. Completely destroyed the place. That's probably the worst manifestation of Pluto in the 4th I've seen besides my own. His sister has Pluto in the 8th. I also read for someone that had this placement and their big family secret was that the father liked to wear women's undergarments. It was discovered accidentally and she lost many of her friends because gossip traveled fast, her father was deemed as a pervert and beat up. Usually some kind of family secrets or dynamics that make society cringe. As someone with Pluto in the 4th I've been super interested in this placement so I've got quite a lot of stories!
I have Pluto Mars and south node in my whole house natal chart. My aunts and uncles talked about their sexual and physical trauma's out loud in the open since everytime we gathered. They were molested by creepy aunts/uncles in the filipines. And physically abused and abandoned by my grandma leaving them to fend for themselves at times. My mom used to tell ghost stories when we were WAY too young...the stories all had to do with her personal hauntings. My mom seemed to always hold resentment from my dad because money was always tight (6 kids) while my dad did his best to raise us in a nice and safe neighborhodd. She never got to decorate or enjoy some of their money while she raised all 6 of my siblings. It wasnt until she divorced my dad that she finally got her own car, her own place that she can decorate and manage her money on her own. My mom had Sathurn/Sun at the top of the chart. My sisters and I were also taught early on in life (maybe 9 or 10) about sex and that the body is private. And that we never went out or did anything alone so that my sisters and I can watch out for each other.
This definitely resonates with me for sure. I think over the years I've learned that whenever I put myself in a position of relying on others instead of myself, I always end up in toxic environments. For example, I might be in a healthy relationship with a boyfriend but then, I move into his place putting him in a position of power over me, I start behaving passively because I worry that I will be homeless, etc. This has been part of my pattern. Now that I know and recognize this pattern I know how important it is for me to keep my own bank account, car, home seperate. I suppose eventually I will meet someone who is willing to move in with me OR alternatively we get a place that is equally ours so we both have control. I can't give my power away for the sake of someone else's comfort or happiness and with my Libra Moon in 4H it is so so so important for me to have a peaceful, happy home. I literally need it with every ounce of my being. It is so important that I eventually have my OWN home because that is how we heal. We have to create this safe haven for ourselves 💖
I’m a Pluto 4th house, and I’m in therapy for childhood traumas and I have been beginning to really notice and be aware of my own control and yes I can be manipulative but I am really trying to change that for the better. Thank you so much!!!
This is so true. My husband and I have had a very strained relationship and until I was able to see myself and how I was creating so many issues we were dealing with. I had to learn how to be vulnerable and secure within myself before I could truly see the value in our relationship. It took along time but now we are really good friends and we love each other truly. It's healing is the answer.
Pluto in scorpio conjunct my North Node and opposed to mars in 10th, in a 29° libra house. // Luckily there's Jupiter on the IC in a grand water trine. Point of spirit at bottom of chart 15° scorpio
Omg Tan this made me cry. Definitely resonates. I have great days and not so good days. My relationships have been so hard but over time through trust...it's gotten so much better! Solid. Thank you for this..well done !
If anyone is offended by this video it just means they have some shadow work to do. They can't shoot the messenger. Thank you for sharing this enlightening message in such a delicate way. You articulated it very well and it resonated heavily as someone with pluto in the 4th house and moon in Scorpio. We have healing to do and need to be able to absorb this type of info with an open mind and heart to do so. Sending light, love, and positive vibes to anyone fighting to rise as the Phoenix within them.
Yeah I definitely always felt like the “Black Sheep” most of the family definitely don’t understand me. So much trauma in the family, mental illness, abuse that were hidden for years. Felt like I was born in pain, been suicidal since I could remember, was putting knives in my stomach at like 6 years old, it was definitely a cry for attention. My older self can definitely be a master manipulator but I genuinely do try my best to be as real as I can be. Am so super lucky to have woken up to a world I was convinced was hell. Still am falling in and out of depressions. I’ve met really really good people tho with my Jupiter in 8th house, but I give them a living hell with my unconscious manipulations and secrecy. It’s so hard to express how I feel, I been hiding for so long. But I’m at the point where I can actually SEE all of this so it’s only progress from here, I just need to nurture and free myself!
Thank you for this video which really captured the way I have experienced this placement in a very accurate, compassionate, honest & helpful way that I have struggled to understand and find any resonating explanations for. You really have a gift. I have pluto in sag conjunct moon in scorpio right on my IC and everything you said resonated so much. I am 24 and in the past year was triggered by an emotionally insecure relationship (and my patterns I was blind to) into finally having my subconscious and childhood repressed family secrets revealed to me through emotional breakdowns over the course of months in many layers that took on all kinds of fictional forms from things in my childhood and stories I always used as my rock/escape growing up - like you said, the deepest part of oneself is in the 4th house and well, Pluto there has been like discovering the very core part of me is basically rotted (from unhealed trauma & abuse) and has to be healed for anything else in my life to ever be satisfying. Luckily (although I’ve seen the dark side of it play out in myself too) I also have Jupiter in the 4th house in sag and so the more I have unlocked my deeply repressed innermost self, the more I have been exploding with creativity & wisdom & imagination to the point I might become a fiction writer and artist about pluto themes and astrology in the future. Which is hilarious because I previously knew myself to be extremely logical and was studying to be a lawyer and my Pluto in the 4th was hiding out here in my subconscious like a ticking time bomb
I have pluto in my 4th house and I didn't have the most ideal childhood or home life, with some abuse and emotional trauma. Recently there's been rifts between me and my mom and I had to flee a toxic a situation last year, because she very likely suffers from mental illness.
this is the most profoundly deep and well articulated, understood description of Pluto in the 4th and conjunct the IC I've ever heard/read. Thank you! I'm 66 so I've lived through most all of what you've talked about in this video.
Hey! I was destined to come here. This is my first time on your channel. I have pluto in 4 th house Libra. I had troubled childhood. My parents are divorced. I have seen domestic violence. Still healing..
We crave stability and loyalty and positive feedback more than anything. Lots of childhood trauma and lots of therapy needed. 4th house pluto can be tough and north node there can be a life long lesson I'm still learning to love and trust and just let go. Mars square Pluto making me reckless and stubborn but I'm getting there as I learn from my mistakes.
Another thing I've noticed is common is a lot of moving around and uprooting the family home at least once but often multiple times. Even with Saturn in my 4th too (love old people, history, genealogy) I never lived in a house longer than a few years. The longest I've ever lived in a single place is 4 years. I continued this tradition (9th house stellium) by moving from country to country. 🤣 I just completed my longest stay in Moscow and then got the itch to come back to the US. Wanna leave again and will (my kids both have Neptune in the 4th 😱). I'm once again living on my Pluto square Ascendant line and I hate it. 🤣 do not recommend that line at all.
Dude, for real! Between my parents divorce, dad was military, and then my mom got custody 7 years after the divorce… we were moving like every 2 years on average.
I can't believe how knowledgeable you are............ It blows my mind away and I really want to meet you... You complete my most intimate conversations with myself..... I can't believe this...... I can't believe this
Your description Tan of pluto in the 4th house was spot on. I have this placement with pluto conjuct the north node. I have always had a lot of issues around emotional security...have had a traumatic childhood...had very difficult issues in relationships...i will heed to your advice and transform myself. A big thank you to you ❤
I have that placement too! Scorpio intercepted in the 4th house for me :) family relationships have just been complicated 🙄 too complicated sometimes. My Taurus moon opposite this weirdness definitely wants things simple LMAO
Pluto is about to transit my 4th house and I’ve already been experiencing these themes in my life. My family dynamic is already changing and about 3 months ago I entered a new relationship that has been an emotional roller coaster in such a short amount of time. It’s brought out the best in me but has also been making me face the parts of myself I’ve neglected and failed to see. I can be manipulative. It’s never intentional but my partner has pointed out some of my behavioral patterns recently and it’s really been making me take a look at myself and I’ve been having this strong calling to get to the bottom of why I am the way I am and where it’s coming from. This video made me extremely emotional and gave me a reality check. Thank you !
Thank you. I have Pluto conjunct my IC my repressed anger destroyed my relationship, and left me destroyed emotionally. What you said literally healed me. I cried as I watch this video as your brought out something from the unconscious to the conscious. You healed me in a way I can’t describe 🙏🏻❤️
Yeah, I have Pluto 0 degrees conjunct my IC. I had a really rough and messy childhood, especially early on. Lots of the dark Pluto extremes. Won't go into detail because that would be too private, but definitely more of the icky keywords associated with Pluto were things I saw and/or experienced. Interestingly enough my biological father also has Pluto 0 degrees conjunct his IC too!
I understand it would be private, but given I have literally the same placement...I am very curious to know how else it can manifest. For me, it really was messed up, as early as from my 1st-2nd grade... I wish we could sit in a cafe and just talk about it😅💚
@@nii_yuhh I feel for you - having this as well.. with the moon and asteroid psyche.. strong feelings about privacy and discretion around 4th house issues ( the place of intimate vulnerability for everyone ) and the intensity of pluto themes here ( always found in detail on youtube videos where topic ) is another hallmark of pluto in the 4th
yes. No security in my home environment as a young girl. No father around and no security from older siblings. Retrograde Pluto Virgo conjunct North Node Virgo 4H placidus. I am now 61 years wise and a loner for life. Having horrible situationships w/weak guys who had no backbone and no respect for me. Fighting in family get togetherswhen young and i now know that I have no man that respects and loves me truly. Im better by myself, living alone and being alone. Lots of people that hate me and i dont know these people and dont want to know these people. Exes hate me and treated me crappy when they were w/me and lie on me and carry grudges towards me when i did nothing wrong to them. They will tell other people i did something wrong to them. Just evil and devious people who want everything from me and never give me anything of value; if they have anything. So selfish and stingy all at the same time. The worse placement in my chart. i think. Ive learned to love myself, stay co-dependent and enjoy my life alone. I know now i will never have a trusting and real relationship w/a man, im cursed for life. The truth is the light. Im good alone no matter what i might imagine in my mind. Thx for the video. But this is the most depressing of all the sign & planets in my chart. No wonder i am alone. I always wondered why when i am a nice person and other people see it and ask me why am i single and alone. All I can say is that ive been burned so much, i need a permanent vacation for the rest of my life. I dont have a partner and i never had a partner. Coping for me means being and staying alone forever. My healing is my enitre lifelong. Im ready for it.
That’s equally toxic! Helicopter parents create narcissistic children. Babying a child can absolutely fall under the umbrella of emotional child ab*se. Depends on what you mean by that but it’s very imbalanced energy no matter how you slice it.
Interesting , Pluto is pretty closely conjunct the IC and the moon in my chart (in Sagittarius) , and while I do have to admit that I was in large parts basically on my own during childhood (divorced parents , a mom who didn't really pay as close attention as I would have liked(borderline emotional neglect) moving a lot ) it never really went to the bad extremes associated with Pluto ... luckily , maybe because Jupiter is in pisces and gives the 4th house planets a lil help ? A very strong intuition and way of avoiding harm or danger since childhood .... But I could really relate to the manipulation.... thanks for calling me out , being vulnerable is scary And oh boy it doesn't happen often but when I get really upset about something I repress it until I burst like a volcano it's really not nice and something I have to work on Very insightful video ! Thank you !
Well done. My Pluto is not on the IC but is conjunct Mars and Uranus Virgo 4th house ... and there was a troubled family beginning, as well as myself and mother being hospitalised for many months following a life-threatening car accident at 18 months of age..
pluto control and manipulation issues are present wherever pluto resides in wherever house.. conversely the deep childhood / multi generational experiences of the 4th is also a sensitive place for all signs
I have to thank you for being transparent and diving into the uncomfortable stuff in this video. Much of this resonated and touched on deep fears i have within relationships. I'm in therapy trying to resolve some of these old wounds. Im in the healthiest relationship of my life and i want us both to be safe from those unconscious traps. Pluto conjunct IC scorpio
Spot on with manipulation "I only ask for this one thing from you" which is what I sometimes say to my partner :o ;( Due to the fact of not feeling like my emotional needs are being met in the relationship.
I have Pluto in the 4th and I’m currently seeking a therapist. I’m deeply disturbed by my upbringing and I want the relationships and how I show up in them in life to be healthy.
wow! this is amazing and explains so very much. i've been struggling with some healing and not really understanding where blocks were coming from and i think this pretty much put a big spotlight on where i need to focus on my healing. thank you, tan! you are wonderful
You are wonderful Tan ❤. Yes it’s all that you described…I was often punished for being emotionally expressive (anger) I have Mars in leo conjunct first house. I have learnt how to hide my deepest emotions and just pretend to be happy. Most likely it’s my leo ascendent. Always having a smiley face. I have noticed that every time I become vulnerable and open myself to someone (intimate partner or family) it’s always being used against me to put me down in some way. I then regret the moment I opened my mouth and let someone in to abuse my trust…I feel that is the way how to give power to hurt me with my past and it’s always so painful. I suffer from severe hypertension due to this pressure. I thank you and appreciate you ❤
you are right about abuse and no security in childhood. As for relationships: I knew for a long time that I'm not ready to be in a rs because I wanted to become secure and safe in myself first. I think I would have been an awful partner if I hadn't done the shadow work first. I also have a tight moon sq Pluto and asc sq Pluto in my chart
This was a good one for me because I immediately thought of an ex who has this placement and I was totally thinking of her while listening and it fit. But then I began my shadow work process of turning the finger pointing around on myself because I understand that she is my reflection and what I see that needs to be fixed in her is actually what needs to be fixed in me. So I went to my chart to investigate. Now I know I don’t have this placement but I looked to see if I had Scorpio in the 4th. Nope, I don’t. Then I noticed that on my Astrodienst whole signs chart (that I began studying because of you Tan) that there is a red line from my Pluto in the 1st house to my Venus in the 4th house. Ha, there it is, right in my face. A challenge, a blockade so to speak, the next thing I should be working on. I had to sit with myself for a moment and think “Am I like this?” Wow, yes I definitely have memories of me doing some of these things. And now because of this video I am more aware of myself. Thanks Tan for all that you do. My motto is, Once I know better I do better. ☀️💚🌱💜🍇💃🏾🙏🏾
I have Pluto & IC in Scorpio. Wow 😮 on point. Gruesome family life. Still is, moms side of family huge drama against my mom they don’t talk to us anymore. We are fine with it now lol. Thank u.
I have Pluto 4th house Virgo, conjunct the IC, also loosely conjunct Uranus in Virgo, in the 3rd house. Home was definitely not my happy place as a kid. 😢 My dad was loud and scary, had an explosive temper. I got beat a lot by him when I was a kid. My mom was very closed off and secretive. Looking at my parents’s birth charts was revelatory. My mom was (I believe) Scorpio rising and had a cardinal grand cross in her chart with her Moon in Capricorn. My dad’s sun is exact on my ascendant, but his Saturn in Scorpio is also exact on my Moon-Venus conjunction in Scorpio. I’ve spent most of my life just putting distance between myself and my parents and extended family. Though my dad did die of cancer when I was 13, when Pluto was transiting my 4th house sun conjunct Black Moon Lilith-death is the ultimate distance and very Plutonian. I also suspect my mom was sexually abused by an uncle when she was a kid. There’s just too much sadness and pain around “family” for me to be a part of it. I’ve had a much happier life when I have focused on other things that have built my own self-esteem. Marriage itself has been good for me, but kids (never had my own), stepkids, and extended family are never “allowed” by the Universe to become an emotional crutch for me. Weirdly, my Sun is also 4th house, but in Libra and not conjunct Pluto.
Me and my daughter both have this aspect. I have yet to see if my mother did. My growing up was hard because my parents separated and we always moved and my mom always work a lot so I was alone a lot from a young age and I don’t think my mom could handle my emotions so she just didn’t acknowledge them much she did treat me like I was over reacting And I’m sure I was. I was very volatile as a teen. Then my mom passed away unexpectedly when I was 18 and so I’ve only been able to see what I loved about my mother and how much I missed her and have had a hard time getting to the root of my issues.
I have pluto in the 4th (whole sign) & pluto in the 3rd (placdius) both are very fucking accurate. I love astrology so much and its really been helping me understand myself.
Hi Tan...thanks a lot for this great video. I do have this placement myself. I do agree in every way with everything. Before I got to know astrology I was just always trying to understand why I feel the things I feel, why I always feel on a flight mode or a literal turmoil. Was always interested in psychology, but never felt satisfied describing my situation. Well, I have a very extremely difficult father, you would always feel as you said „ walking on eggshells around him“. There were always so much just let’s say suppression, you wouldn’t be heard to, this is also true for my siblings, but felt it a bit stronger. With like really young age I would „ ROCK ALL UP“ and feel I just can’t be. But, to be honest I was always aware of it, till now with a young age. I try to understand it, and because of the phases where I had to wrap my head with everything and accept it, I got so much better understanding people and their psychology in a very creepy way. But I guess it was either way meant to be...thanks a lot Tan for your incredible videos☺️💕💕
I have borderline personality disorder because my dad was a narcissist and mother emotionally unavailable. Also, moved every 2 years on average. Interesting that my sisters don’t have BPD and their plutos aren’t in the 4th! But they had similar trauma. Similar of course isn’t the same, so that’s why they don’t have my disorder.
Best Video I have seen on Pluto in the 4th so far !.. I have pluto in 4th sag square ascendant and Square lilith in 1st house.. Intercepted in 4th house scorpio. I'm interested to see how would that energy manifest
Forgot to mention that I discovered at 17 that my father was not my biological one as told , it was hidden from me by my parents until i found out myself .
@@CathrineBehr1 how did you discover this? because I have the same feelings... everyone is very cold towards me and always was. Strange... they behave differently with my sister. I heard once my mom told about me that I actually have no one to talk to, no coicidence I am that quiet always.
I have Venus,Mercury , Jupiter and Pluto in the 4th house I had a beautiful childhood and my family members are awesome. I was raised traditionally so I think a man should provide for a woman. Also if I have more money i always buy everything and I’m an extremely generous person towards people (ESPECIALLY FAMILY) I do believe that whoever has more should give more lol.
My son got pluto and saturn in 4H. I’ve been so frustrated and doing many researches about this placement, cuz im trying to prevent all these things that would affect my son’s childhood. My son also got fortuna in his 4H so i am not sure. I am also a Scorpio sun I can be understanding ppl emotions so hopefully i help and be there for my son emotionally.
I have Pluto in the 4th house sidereal zodiac and I have Pluto in the 3rd house in western astrology. I gotta look into the word manipulation. Can I be doing this?😮💨 I think I do this🤦🏾♂️ ugh but I don't know if I do. I know that I've been manipulated by people
My natal pluto is in 1H squaring venus 10H, when pluto transits aquarius it will be in my 4H and will oppose my venus 10H. I'm already scared and feel sorry for the people who I'll meet/get involve with lol.
I'm wondering if this could also relate to serious illness in yourself as a child or something dangerous about the actual house (the building itself) you grew up in?
Absolutely. It's going to involve all shadow aspects of homes and housing. I have this aspect. I've moved a lot, lived in places that were falling apart, learned how to do my own home repair, had power struggles with slum lords, got into housing advocacy, I've been homeless and also learned the value of stability.
It looks like a neverending story..an abusive plotline that like a broken record, hangs and repeats.. And you dont have to be the manipulator..you draw/ or become involved with people just as described ..
Have Pluto as well as Lilith in 4th house Scorpio😅 For me it was a bulling stepmum through out my teens and being expected to want and thrive for "normal" lifestyle, where as I now learnt in adulthood that I had Dyslexia and Add, I have been expected to want to study and have house, family and a 8-6 day job like the "norm". Where I have felt all my life that, that is not me. I do not want half of it, and I could not make school work, I tried so hard!😭 Even at things I did do want to do, when It came to academic parts of the educations, written tests, written assignment, I always failed.😞 I was hushed to not talk back, when I just wanted to speak up about what I wanted or when I felt I was treated wrongly. My dreams and goals have always been told are not realistic dreams, for people with talent, waste of time cause it is not real job... So on, I am not like anyone else in my family, the "rebel/lone wolf". 😅 And since I got out on my own I have become it even stronger, where I listen to my heart more and chose ways and living for what I can stand for. Every time I am at my family I get talked down if I ever mention what my heart truly want, So I do barely not talk about my what my heart want anymore. So I can keep them and not get talked out of it and get side tracked once more.😅 And if anyone start on subjects around work, career and future I try to change topic or go quite.😅 I moved back to my hometown, did not realize how bad I have been treated, wrongly, misunderstood and how low I feel in this town. So I am trying hard to manifest my self out of this town again but on a more secure path, truly deep in where I can work from my heart 24/7. Not having anyone tell me what I can and can not do close by. I do love my family, And I believe most of this is out of how they where raised, that they do not know better cause that is how they been thought life is suppose to be like. You know? But I see it now, and I just need some distans so I can go my own way and grow, find my heart and passion as I feel in all of me I am suppose to. 😇 My now, soon 3 years back I have learnt a lot about my self and the people I grew up with, gotten more things cleared up, been the past 2 years in hermit mood basically😅, But I have done deep shadow work, inner child search and healing. I understand more then I have ever done, This year, 2022 I believe I have learned the most. Also to realize that I can have my dreams and goals if I keep them to my self. I will show my family about them once I have made them real😁
great videos Tan Astrology!! Thank you :) How can I find out what the relationship between my fourth house in scorpio retrograde and my IM in Libra is?
In draconic chart i have sagittaruis ic in 4th house. And you knows what ? In saturn persona chart in whole sign system : i have pluto in 4th house sagittaruis !!☹️😟😩 That make sense for me
I don't get it. IC is very conscious in my opinion. What i learnt from my childhood is say what is, even if it's deep, dark and uncomfortable. I would never be passive aggressive. If someone senses my trauna and doesn't communicate. Their fault. JUST SAY IT. Don't pull back.
This is the first time I hear about this “manipulation” shadow side. I think I might have done this before. The traumas from my childhood were so intense that I honestly hit rock bottom when rejected, I’m a self-guarding expert 👌🏽
I don’t even think it’s possible to have child ab*se trauma and not grow up to manipulate others. Most of this is done subconsciously. We have to have our needs met because we are humans after all, and our toxic parents modeled how to do it- manipulation tactics.
In my experience reading charts over the years I've noticed a few things with this placement, especially if there are negative aspects to the personal planets. A lot of secrets in the family that if they were to get out would change how the community sees them. Sexual or physical abuse and/or a parent who was sexually abused and becomes controlling. Mental illness especially in the mother is something I've seen a lot of in this. Suicide or suicide attempts. Seeing things that shouldn't have been seen usually not understood until adulthood. One of my good friends from childhood had this placement with a square to his moon in the 12th. Parents met in a mental hospital. Mother was mentally ill. Moved around a lot. Father committed suicide in childhood. He ended up being committed to mental hospitals (12th house) throughout his teens and was put on tons of medications. He also ended up committing suicide when he had a conjunction transit to his Pluto. He had just gotten out of jail (12th house) and found his girlfriend (Moon) had found someone else. He destroyed the house. Tore all the kitchen cabinets off the walls. Completely destroyed the place. That's probably the worst manifestation of Pluto in the 4th I've seen besides my own. His sister has Pluto in the 8th. I also read for someone that had this placement and their big family secret was that the father liked to wear women's undergarments. It was discovered accidentally and she lost many of her friends because gossip traveled fast, her father was deemed as a pervert and beat up. Usually some kind of family secrets or dynamics that make society cringe. As someone with Pluto in the 4th I've been super interested in this placement so I've got quite a lot of stories!
You're right my mother is suffering from a mild mental illness and also my father is involved in infidelity which often leads to violence in my home😔
It's really messy and dark
I have Pluto Mars and south node in my whole house natal chart. My aunts and uncles talked about their sexual and physical trauma's out loud in the open since everytime we gathered. They were molested by creepy aunts/uncles in the filipines. And physically abused and abandoned by my grandma leaving them to fend for themselves at times. My mom used to tell ghost stories when we were WAY too young...the stories all had to do with her personal hauntings. My mom seemed to always hold resentment from my dad because money was always tight (6 kids) while my dad did his best to raise us in a nice and safe neighborhodd. She never got to decorate or enjoy some of their money while she raised all 6 of my siblings. It wasnt until she divorced my dad that she finally got her own car, her own place that she can decorate and manage her money on her own. My mom had Sathurn/Sun at the top of the chart. My sisters and I were also taught early on in life (maybe 9 or 10) about sex and that the body is private. And that we never went out or did anything alone so that my sisters and I can watch out for each other.
So true
First of all, I love you and what you do, and second of all SO SO true...Thanks❤️ Same here.
This definitely resonates with me for sure. I think over the years I've learned that whenever I put myself in a position of relying on others instead of myself, I always end up in toxic environments. For example, I might be in a healthy relationship with a boyfriend but then, I move into his place putting him in a position of power over me, I start behaving passively because I worry that I will be homeless, etc. This has been part of my pattern. Now that I know and recognize this pattern I know how important it is for me to keep my own bank account, car, home seperate. I suppose eventually I will meet someone who is willing to move in with me OR alternatively we get a place that is equally ours so we both have control. I can't give my power away for the sake of someone else's comfort or happiness and with my Libra Moon in 4H it is so so so important for me to have a peaceful, happy home. I literally need it with every ounce of my being. It is so important that I eventually have my OWN home because that is how we heal. We have to create this safe haven for ourselves 💖
Same
This was so very true…I am experiencing the same issues. I would never ever move In with someone or merge my bank account with theirs!
I’m a Pluto 4th house, and I’m in therapy for childhood traumas and I have been beginning to really notice and be aware of my own control and yes I can be manipulative but I am really trying to change that for the better. Thank you so much!!!
What kind of childhood you had
How are you doing now?
This is so true. My husband and I have had a very strained relationship and until I was able to see myself and how I was creating so many issues we were dealing with. I had to learn how to be vulnerable and secure within myself before I could truly see the value in our relationship. It took along time but now we are really good friends and we love each other truly. It's healing is the answer.
This was amazing! Thank You! I have Pluto in my 4th house in Scorpio. Intense Energy it is!
I have extract Same placement. It’s definitely intense
I third that.
Same here🥺🥺🙌🏽🙌🏽🙈🙈
Me too
Pluto in scorpio conjunct my North Node and opposed to mars in 10th, in a 29° libra house. //
Luckily there's Jupiter on the IC in a grand water trine. Point of spirit at bottom of chart 15° scorpio
its a blessing to have this background. this is what makes us woke. emotional security from childhood is like a lullaby.
Omg Tan this made me cry. Definitely resonates. I have great days and not so good days. My relationships have been so hard but over time through trust...it's gotten so much better! Solid. Thank you for this..well done !
Sending you many hugs 🤗 You are owning that Pluto! 💕💪
still not healed , hard chidhood done , long term relationship done now single , but still fighting to earn money for basic needs ,and so much
If anyone is offended by this video it just means they have some shadow work to do. They can't shoot the messenger. Thank you for sharing this enlightening message in such a delicate way. You articulated it very well and it resonated heavily as someone with pluto in the 4th house and moon in Scorpio. We have healing to do and need to be able to absorb this type of info with an open mind and heart to do so. Sending light, love, and positive vibes to anyone fighting to rise as the Phoenix within them.
Yeah I definitely always felt like the “Black Sheep” most of the family definitely don’t understand me. So much trauma in the family, mental illness, abuse that were hidden for years. Felt like I was born in pain, been suicidal since I could remember, was putting knives in my stomach at like 6 years old, it was definitely a cry for attention. My older self can definitely be a master manipulator but I genuinely do try my best to be as real as I can be. Am so super lucky to have woken up to a world I was convinced was hell. Still am falling in and out of depressions. I’ve met really really good people tho with my Jupiter in 8th house, but I give them a living hell with my unconscious manipulations and secrecy. It’s so hard to express how I feel, I been hiding for so long. But I’m at the point where I can actually SEE all of this so it’s only progress from here, I just need to nurture and free myself!
The chainsaw noises in the background remind me of my childhood trauma. The sound of childhood abuse. Great video, thank you!
Thank you for this video which really captured the way I have experienced this placement in a very accurate, compassionate, honest & helpful way that I have struggled to understand and find any resonating explanations for. You really have a gift. I have pluto in sag conjunct moon in scorpio right on my IC and everything you said resonated so much. I am 24 and in the past year was triggered by an emotionally insecure relationship (and my patterns I was blind to) into finally having my subconscious and childhood repressed family secrets revealed to me through emotional breakdowns over the course of months in many layers that took on all kinds of fictional forms from things in my childhood and stories I always used as my rock/escape growing up - like you said, the deepest part of oneself is in the 4th house and well, Pluto there has been like discovering the very core part of me is basically rotted (from unhealed trauma & abuse) and has to be healed for anything else in my life to ever be satisfying. Luckily (although I’ve seen the dark side of it play out in myself too) I also have Jupiter in the 4th house in sag and so the more I have unlocked my deeply repressed innermost self, the more I have been exploding with creativity & wisdom & imagination to the point I might become a fiction writer and artist about pluto themes and astrology in the future. Which is hilarious because I previously knew myself to be extremely logical and was studying to be a lawyer and my Pluto in the 4th was hiding out here in my subconscious like a ticking time bomb
I have pluto in my 4th house and I didn't have the most ideal childhood or home life, with some abuse and emotional trauma. Recently there's been rifts between me and my mom and I had to flee a toxic a situation last year, because she very likely suffers from mental illness.
this is the most profoundly deep and well articulated, understood description of Pluto in the 4th and conjunct the IC I've ever heard/read. Thank you! I'm 66 so I've lived through most all of what you've talked about in this video.
Hey! I was destined to come here. This is my first time on your channel.
I have pluto in 4 th house Libra. I had troubled childhood. My parents are divorced. I have seen domestic violence. Still healing..
We crave stability and loyalty and positive feedback more than anything. Lots of childhood trauma and lots of therapy needed. 4th house pluto can be tough and north node there can be a life long lesson I'm still learning to love and trust and just let go. Mars square Pluto making me reckless and stubborn but I'm getting there as I learn from my mistakes.
Another thing I've noticed is common is a lot of moving around and uprooting the family home at least once but often multiple times. Even with Saturn in my 4th too (love old people, history, genealogy) I never lived in a house longer than a few years. The longest I've ever lived in a single place is 4 years. I continued this tradition (9th house stellium) by moving from country to country. 🤣 I just completed my longest stay in Moscow and then got the itch to come back to the US. Wanna leave again and will (my kids both have Neptune in the 4th 😱). I'm once again living on my Pluto square Ascendant line and I hate it. 🤣 do not recommend that line at all.
Again same here 😅 we kept moving every 3 years...( Because my father has a transferable job so he gets transferred every 3 years🤔).
I have Pluto in my fourth house and I lived in the same place over 27 years
Jesus! Me too 😂 wtf
I also have Pluto and Saturn in the 4th house as well as two personal planets in the 9th. I've moved around a lot in my life.
Dude, for real! Between my parents divorce, dad was military, and then my mom got custody 7 years after the divorce… we were moving like every 2 years on average.
I can't believe how knowledgeable you are............ It blows my mind away and I really want to meet you... You complete my most intimate conversations with myself..... I can't believe this...... I can't believe this
Your description Tan of pluto in the 4th house was spot on. I have this placement with pluto conjuct the north node. I have always had a lot of issues around emotional security...have had a traumatic childhood...had very difficult issues in relationships...i will heed to your advice and transform myself. A big thank you to you ❤
I have that placement too! Scorpio intercepted in the 4th house for me :) family relationships have just been complicated 🙄 too complicated sometimes. My Taurus moon opposite this weirdness definitely wants things simple LMAO
Girl this is a master piece! Ha!! I have seen this video many times. It shook me to the core. So healing, thank u!! 💞💞💞
Pluto is about to transit my 4th house and I’ve already been experiencing these themes in my life. My family dynamic is already changing and about 3 months ago I entered a new relationship that has been an emotional roller coaster in such a short amount of time. It’s brought out the best in me but has also been making me face the parts of myself I’ve neglected and failed to see. I can be manipulative. It’s never intentional but my partner has pointed out some of my behavioral patterns recently and it’s really been making me take a look at myself and I’ve been having this strong calling to get to the bottom of why I am the way I am and where it’s coming from. This video made me extremely emotional and gave me a reality check. Thank you !
Thank you. I have Pluto conjunct my IC my repressed anger destroyed my relationship, and left me destroyed emotionally. What you said literally healed me. I cried as I watch this video as your brought out something from the unconscious to the conscious. You healed me in a way I can’t describe 🙏🏻❤️
Yeah, I have Pluto 0 degrees conjunct my IC. I had a really rough and messy childhood, especially early on. Lots of the dark Pluto extremes. Won't go into detail because that would be too private, but definitely more of the icky keywords associated with Pluto were things I saw and/or experienced. Interestingly enough my biological father also has Pluto 0 degrees conjunct his IC too!
I feel u. No need to say. Me too :(
same 😞
I understand it would be private, but given I have literally the same placement...I am very curious to know how else it can manifest. For me, it really was messed up, as early as from my 1st-2nd grade...
I wish we could sit in a cafe and just talk about it😅💚
@@nii_yuhh I feel for you - having this as well.. with the moon and asteroid psyche.. strong feelings about privacy and discretion around 4th house issues ( the place of intimate vulnerability for everyone ) and the intensity of pluto themes here ( always found in detail on youtube videos where topic ) is another hallmark of pluto in the 4th
Amazing thanks for sharing examples and how to go about healing oneself
Looking beauuuuuuuuutiful as always
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Thank you this resonated with me. I have Pluto in the 4th house as well as my moon (Scorpio moon, so it just adds another layer to it)
Love your definition of emotional security. Clear and succinct
Childhood truma soo accurate i am so fucked up now emotional i am so unavailable i don't trust anyone else
yes. No security in my home environment as a young girl. No father around and no security from older siblings. Retrograde Pluto Virgo conjunct North Node Virgo 4H placidus. I am now 61 years wise and a loner for life. Having horrible situationships w/weak guys who had no backbone and no respect for me. Fighting in family get togetherswhen young and i now know that I have no man that respects and loves me truly. Im better by myself, living alone and being alone. Lots of people that hate me and i dont know these people and dont want to know these people. Exes hate me and treated me crappy when they were w/me and lie on me and carry grudges towards me when i did nothing wrong to them. They will tell other people i did something wrong to them. Just evil and devious people who want everything from me and never give me anything of value; if they have anything. So selfish and stingy all at the same time. The worse placement in my chart. i think. Ive learned to love myself, stay co-dependent and enjoy my life alone. I know now i will never have a trusting and real relationship w/a man, im cursed for life. The truth is the light. Im good alone no matter what i might imagine in my mind. Thx for the video. But this is the most depressing of all the sign & planets in my chart. No wonder i am alone. I always wondered why when i am a nice person and other people see it and ask me why am i single and alone. All I can say is that ive been burned so much, i need a permanent vacation for the rest of my life. I dont have a partner and i never had a partner. Coping for me means being and staying alone forever. My healing is my enitre lifelong. Im ready for it.
My son is a Pluto fourth house and no no no he has been well to the point of being babied actually
That’s equally toxic! Helicopter parents create narcissistic children. Babying a child can absolutely fall under the umbrella of emotional child ab*se. Depends on what you mean by that but it’s very imbalanced energy no matter how you slice it.
Interesting , Pluto is pretty closely conjunct the IC and the moon in my chart (in Sagittarius) , and while I do have to admit that I was in large parts basically on my own during childhood (divorced parents , a mom who didn't really pay as close attention as I would have liked(borderline emotional neglect) moving a lot ) it never really went to the bad extremes associated with Pluto ... luckily , maybe because Jupiter is in pisces and gives the 4th house planets a lil help ? A very strong intuition and way of avoiding harm or danger since childhood ....
But I could really relate to the manipulation.... thanks for calling me out , being vulnerable is scary
And oh boy it doesn't happen often but when I get really upset about something I repress it until I burst like a volcano it's really not nice and something I have to work on
Very insightful video ! Thank you !
Well done. My Pluto is not on the IC but is conjunct Mars and Uranus Virgo 4th house ... and there was a troubled family beginning, as well as myself and mother being hospitalised for many months following a life-threatening car accident at 18 months of age..
pluto control and manipulation issues are present wherever pluto resides in wherever house.. conversely the deep childhood / multi generational experiences of the 4th is also a sensitive place for all signs
Girl harder said than done this is deep rooted don’t even know I’m still doing it until you mentioned examples I thought that was a normal thing 😭
I have a Pluto in 4th house in Scorpio at IC. This video hit the spot 100%! Very difficult energy to deal with.
I have to thank you for being transparent and diving into the uncomfortable stuff in this video. Much of this resonated and touched on deep fears i have within relationships. I'm in therapy trying to resolve some of these old wounds. Im in the healthiest relationship of my life and i want us both to be safe from those unconscious traps. Pluto conjunct IC scorpio
Spot on with manipulation "I only ask for this one thing from you" which is what I sometimes say to my partner :o ;( Due to the fact of not feeling like my emotional needs are being met in the relationship.
I have Pluto in the 4th and I’m currently seeking a therapist. I’m deeply disturbed by my upbringing and I want the relationships and how I show up in them in life to be healthy.
wow! this is amazing and explains so very much. i've been struggling with some healing and not really understanding where blocks were coming from and i think this pretty much put a big spotlight on where i need to focus on my healing. thank you, tan! you are wonderful
Masterpiece! I have ludo in 4 and recognise the themes that you discuss here. I love your recommendation to heal our Innner child
So, so accurate... thank you for this amazing video. You're the best I follow out there 💕✨
You are wonderful Tan ❤. Yes it’s all that you described…I was often punished for being emotionally expressive (anger) I have Mars in leo conjunct first house. I have learnt how to hide my deepest emotions and just pretend to be happy. Most likely it’s my leo ascendent. Always having a smiley face. I have noticed that every time I become vulnerable and open myself to someone (intimate partner or family) it’s always being used against me to put me down in some way. I then regret the moment I opened my mouth and let someone in to abuse my trust…I feel that is the way how to give power to hurt me with my past and it’s always so painful. I suffer from severe hypertension due to this pressure. I thank you and appreciate you ❤
Thanks for this video, it explained a lot of things about my life, and even helped me understand past breakups....!
Excellent assessment.
Pluto 5th house !! Can’t wait 😊
You look so gorgeous in all black! I'm obsessed with your videos! You just explain it all so well!☺️
I just checked the dates of Pluto transits during my life. At the beginning, AND at the end of the transits, there were deaths of my family members. 😮
you are right about abuse and no security in childhood. As for relationships: I knew for a long time that I'm not ready to be in a rs because I wanted to become secure and safe in myself first. I think I would have been an awful partner if I hadn't done the shadow work first. I also have a tight moon sq Pluto and asc sq Pluto in my chart
This was a good one for me because I immediately thought of an ex who has this placement and I was totally thinking of her while listening and it fit. But then I began my shadow work process of turning the finger pointing around on myself because I understand that she is my reflection and what I see that needs to be fixed in her is actually what needs to be fixed in me. So I went to my chart to investigate. Now I know I don’t have this placement but I looked to see if I had Scorpio in the 4th. Nope, I don’t. Then I noticed that on my Astrodienst whole signs chart (that I began studying because of you Tan) that there is a red line from my Pluto in the 1st house to my Venus in the 4th house. Ha, there it is, right in my face. A challenge, a blockade so to speak, the next thing I should be working on. I had to sit with myself for a moment and think “Am I like this?” Wow, yes I definitely have memories of me doing some of these things. And now because of this video I am more aware of myself. Thanks Tan for all that you do. My motto is, Once I know better I do better. ☀️💚🌱💜🍇💃🏾🙏🏾
I have Pluto & IC in Scorpio. Wow 😮 on point. Gruesome family life. Still is, moms side of family huge drama against my mom they don’t talk to us anymore. We are fine with it now lol. Thank u.
I have Pluto 4th house Virgo, conjunct the IC, also loosely conjunct Uranus in Virgo, in the 3rd house. Home was definitely not my happy place as a kid. 😢 My dad was loud and scary, had an explosive temper. I got beat a lot by him when I was a kid. My mom was very closed off and secretive. Looking at my parents’s birth charts was revelatory. My mom was (I believe) Scorpio rising and had a cardinal grand cross in her chart with her Moon in Capricorn. My dad’s sun is exact on my ascendant, but his Saturn in Scorpio is also exact on my Moon-Venus conjunction in Scorpio. I’ve spent most of my life just putting distance between myself and my parents and extended family. Though my dad did die of cancer when I was 13, when Pluto was transiting my 4th house sun conjunct Black Moon Lilith-death is the ultimate distance and very Plutonian. I also suspect my mom was sexually abused by an uncle when she was a kid. There’s just too much sadness and pain around “family” for me to be a part of it. I’ve had a much happier life when I have focused on other things that have built my own self-esteem. Marriage itself has been good for me, but kids (never had my own), stepkids, and extended family are never “allowed” by the Universe to become an emotional crutch for me. Weirdly, my Sun is also 4th house, but in Libra and not conjunct Pluto.
Thank you
Me and my daughter both have this aspect. I have yet to see if my mother did. My growing up was hard because my parents separated and we always moved and my mom always work a lot so I was alone a lot from a young age and I don’t think my mom could handle my emotions so she just didn’t acknowledge them much she did treat me like I was over reacting And I’m sure I was. I was very volatile as a teen. Then my mom passed away unexpectedly when I was 18 and so I’ve only been able to see what I loved about my mother and how much I missed her and have had a hard time getting to the root of my issues.
Wow!!!!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I have pluto in the 4th (whole sign) & pluto in the 3rd (placdius) both are very fucking accurate. I love astrology so much and its really been helping me understand myself.
Hi Tan...thanks a lot for this great video. I do have this placement myself. I do agree in every way with everything. Before I got to know astrology I was just always trying to understand why I feel the things I feel, why I always feel on a flight mode or a literal turmoil. Was always interested in psychology, but never felt satisfied describing my situation. Well, I have a very extremely difficult father, you would always feel as you said „ walking on eggshells around him“. There were always so much just let’s say suppression, you wouldn’t be heard to, this is also true for my siblings, but felt it a bit stronger. With like really young age I would „ ROCK ALL UP“ and feel I just can’t be. But, to be honest I was always aware of it, till now with a young age. I try to understand it, and because of the phases where I had to wrap my head with everything and accept it, I got so much better understanding people and their psychology in a very creepy way. But I guess it was either way meant to be...thanks a lot Tan for your incredible videos☺️💕💕
I have borderline personality disorder because my dad was a narcissist and mother emotionally unavailable. Also, moved every 2 years on average. Interesting that my sisters don’t have BPD and their plutos aren’t in the 4th! But they had similar trauma. Similar of course isn’t the same, so that’s why they don’t have my disorder.
Definitely agree and love your interpretation 🖤
I am leo ASC. And skorpio rules the 4th house is this the same effect? And i have pluto in libra in 3th house
I have those same placements🤔
I know someone with this too. Sun sign Aquarius
Best Video I have seen on Pluto in the 4th so far !.. I have pluto in 4th sag square ascendant and Square lilith in 1st house.. Intercepted in 4th house scorpio. I'm interested to see how would that energy manifest
😐 damn almost identical
Waiting for Pluto in 5th!!
This was awesome. Thank you 🙏🏽💗.
I am opening my heart. I am so happy! ❤️🤗
Thank you for this video it is extremely insightful
Wow my mom and I just had this conversation yesterday... my father was a master manipulator!
Thank you for another great video 🙏. I Pluto , Jupiter and Uranus in the 4th house
Forgot to mention that I discovered at 17 that my father was not my biological one as told , it was hidden from me by my parents until i found out myself .
@@CathrineBehr1 how did you discover this? because I have the same feelings... everyone is very cold towards me and always was. Strange... they behave differently with my sister. I heard once my mom told about me that I actually have no one to talk to, no coicidence I am that quiet always.
Thanks Tan, that describes me very well. I'll make sure to work on this side of mine
I have Scorpio in the 4th house and this is pretty similar. Thabk you for sharing! Your videos are always so helpful. Please do 5th house Pluto?♡
I have Venus,Mercury , Jupiter and Pluto in the 4th house I had a beautiful childhood and my family members are awesome. I was raised traditionally so I think a man should provide for a woman. Also if I have more money i always buy everything and I’m an extremely generous person towards people (ESPECIALLY FAMILY) I do believe that whoever has more should give more lol.
Thank you so much for your advice!
Me throughout the video 👩🦯👩🦯👩🦯
My son got pluto and saturn in 4H. I’ve been so frustrated and doing many researches about this placement, cuz im trying to prevent all these things that would affect my son’s childhood. My son also got fortuna in his 4H so i am not sure. I am also a Scorpio sun I can be understanding ppl emotions so hopefully i help and be there for my son emotionally.
Wow. Thank you so much
Ladies secure the bag, your bag is your bag, your man bag is your bag.
So true
I have Pluto Conjunct Jupiter (both in Scorpio) in the 4th house, any insights ?! Loved your video 💜
Me too!
I have Pluto in the 4th house sidereal zodiac and I have Pluto in the 3rd house in western astrology. I gotta look into the word manipulation. Can I be doing this?😮💨 I think I do this🤦🏾♂️ ugh but I don't know if I do. I know that I've been manipulated by people
My natal pluto is in 1H squaring venus 10H, when pluto transits aquarius it will be in my 4H and will oppose my venus 10H. I'm already scared and feel sorry for the people who I'll meet/get involve with lol.
I'm wondering if this could also relate to serious illness in yourself as a child or something dangerous about the actual house (the building itself) you grew up in?
It does
Absolutely. It's going to involve all shadow aspects of homes and housing. I have this aspect. I've moved a lot, lived in places that were falling apart, learned how to do my own home repair, had power struggles with slum lords, got into housing advocacy, I've been homeless and also learned the value of stability.
The 4th house is about romantic relationships?
Both me and my brother are in the 4th house and i’m on the IC
It looks like a neverending story..an abusive plotline that like a broken record, hangs and repeats..
And you dont have to be the manipulator..you draw/ or become involved with people just as described ..
So I should start letting people into my life?
Ofcourse 💖
@@TanAstrology awww mannnn lmaooo okay thanks for confirming :)
Manipulation and obsession to get sb to be with you it's so true for my experience i was so obessed to make sb be with me
I have Mars conjunct Pluto in the 4th house both in Scorpio. Jupiter in Sagittarius as well.
What's an "IC"? New to this
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Have Pluto as well as Lilith in 4th house Scorpio😅
For me it was a bulling stepmum through out my teens and being expected to want and thrive for "normal" lifestyle, where as I now learnt in adulthood that I had Dyslexia and Add, I have been expected to want to study and have house, family and a 8-6 day job like the "norm".
Where I have felt all my life that, that is not me.
I do not want half of it, and I could not make school work, I tried so hard!😭
Even at things I did do want to do, when It came to academic parts of the educations, written tests, written assignment, I always failed.😞
I was hushed to not talk back, when I just wanted to speak up about what I wanted or when I felt I was treated wrongly.
My dreams and goals have always been told are not realistic dreams, for people with talent, waste of time cause it is not real job... So on,
I am not like anyone else in my family, the "rebel/lone wolf". 😅
And since I got out on my own I have become it even stronger, where I listen to my heart more and chose ways and living for what I can stand for.
Every time I am at my family I get talked down if I ever mention what my heart truly want, So I do barely not talk about my what my heart want anymore. So I can keep them and not get talked out of it and get side tracked once more.😅
And if anyone start on subjects around work, career and future I try to change topic or go quite.😅
I moved back to my hometown, did not realize how bad I have been treated, wrongly, misunderstood and how low I feel in this town.
So I am trying hard to manifest my self out of this town again but on a more secure path, truly deep in where I can work from my heart 24/7.
Not having anyone tell me what I can and can not do close by. I do love my family, And I believe most of this is out of how they where raised, that they do not know better cause that is how they been thought life is suppose to be like. You know?
But I see it now, and I just need some distans so I can go my own way and grow, find my heart and passion as I feel in all of me I am suppose to. 😇
My now, soon 3 years back I have learnt a lot about my self and the people I grew up with, gotten more things cleared up, been the past 2 years in hermit mood basically😅, But I have done deep shadow work, inner child search and healing. I understand more then I have ever done, This year, 2022 I believe I have learned the most.
Also to realize that I can have my dreams and goals if I keep them to my self. I will show my family about them once I have made them real😁
great videos Tan Astrology!! Thank you :)
How can I find out what the relationship between my fourth house in scorpio retrograde and my IM in Libra is?
So accurate i am a 4th house Pluto
I am going through therapy for childhood truma
My friend has moon conjunct pluto 2degrees in the fourth. Is this similar to Conjunct IC?
Pluto Saturn 🪐 and Venus in the 4th house in Scorpio ♏️ so much fun LOL
Thank you
What is the ic?
An angle which is the sign on the 4th house cusp (very bottom of the chart).
the opposite sign vertical to ur midheaven
My entire 4th house is Pluto, Scorpio and my IC and nothing else 😬
Also have cancer in my chiron in my 12th these seem very similar
Pluto in Sagittarius (in 4th house), and my moon is in Scorpio in 4th house
In draconic chart i have sagittaruis ic in 4th house. And you knows what ? In saturn persona chart in whole sign system : i have pluto in 4th house sagittaruis !!☹️😟😩 That make sense for me
You knows what is 9 persona chart beacuse this is the underrated astrology
In my natal i have saturn in 1st house that mean i identify more that mecury dominant sign
Retrograde Pluto conjunct Scorpio IC, yeah it wasn't good.
I don't get it. IC is very conscious in my opinion. What i learnt from my childhood is say what is, even if it's deep, dark and uncomfortable. I would never be passive aggressive. If someone senses my trauna and doesn't communicate. Their fault. JUST SAY IT. Don't pull back.