HEAVY ARROWS and DR ASHBY // are you using your Grandpa's arrows?
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2021
- HEAVY ARROWS and DR ASHBY // are you using your Grandpa's arrows?.. We dive in on all things heavy arrows and Dr. Ashby. This is part of our deep dive into technical archery this year! #ElkShape #Testing #grandpasarrows
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Ok couple key takeaways before the comment sections blows up. 1. We've got love for anybody that is a hunter and/or archer 2. Having a perfectly tuned arrow/bow is paramount 3. Accuracy and confidence means everything 4. The supposed "scientists" of the archery world are still basing their studies on old studies done with traditional archery equipment, where FPS, and Kinetic energy are considerably different than a modern compound setup. 5. At the end of the day you should always do what is in your best interest for your setup.. ABT ... Also as a bonus we've got Aron Snyders take on this same subject that video will be coming.
I used to be on the fence in regards to this heavy arrow concept but, after listening to the both of you, I now believe the heavier arrow is probably better
Okay you guys are basically obsessed with disproving Ashby and Ranch Fairy....really?
The reason Ashby used lower energy set up’s for a lot of his testing was so he could measure penetration differences. There is no measurable data from a pass through. Also broadhead type is not his number one factor. It’s structural integrity #1 and perfect arrow flight #2. Ashby also says you should shoot the heaviest arrow possible that gives you a trajectory you find acceptable, which I think is what you already do.
Bow hunting is about how close you can get, not how far you can shoot. Also, archery is getting your arrow to the intended target. The hunting part begins when the arrow reaches the animal. It sounds to me like you’re advocating using an inferior arrow to compensate for inadequate archery skills. Lastly, you’re spewing false information from the Ashby report. Maybe take the time to actually read the report and understand the information before trying to use it.
What?!?!? Dr. Ashby did not say broadhead MA was number one, he said it was number 4. Also, arrow mass is number 6 (unless it contacts bone, and in his reports Dr. Ashby makes a pretty compelling argument why we should build our arrows to challenge bone with a reasonable chance of success). Dr. Ashby did not study compound bows? Compound bows were in all of his studies. Gotta ask, did you even read the Dr. Ashby reports before commenting on them? I also have a very short draw length and do not shoot a 600+ grain arrow for elk. However my warning light goes off whenever I see someone be a casual critic of a guy with the initials "Dr." in front of his name that is so passionate about bowhunting that he spent 20+ years of his life on other continents studying how arrows penetrate things. Dan, I love your channel, I am an avid follower, thank you for your channel, it makes me a better bowhunter, but I think you missed it on this one.
This guy talking in circles
To be fair to the RUclipsr that you guys are referencing, he harps on the importance of a perfect bow tune and arrow flight for penetration a lot.
The Ashby Foundation had 197 consecutive heavy bone breaks with only 3% of those shots coming from a compound bow, and the majority of the shots from a 40# recurve. If you follow their advice, you can shoot through the shoulder.
Haven’t watched the whole thing but man, would critics of heavy arrows please stop talking about KE? No one over here is taking about that. We are talking about momentum (the ability of the arrow to keep going despite braking forces) not KE. Momentum is waaaaay more dependant on weight than speed.
How can you “overkill” an animal you’re trying to take down as fast as possible? Animals are gonna react to the shot and move anyway
I don't know if/how much you guys watch other channels, but one of my favorite videos regarding the Ashby studies is from Average Jack where he's actually breaking down the actual report. The most important part (per the actual study) is perfect arrow flight. There is also a line in the actual report which states that the ideal setup is the heaviest arrow that still maintains acceptable trajectory for you. Having F.O.C. is only part of the picture (as I feel like everyone pretty well understands).
Excessive energy and over kill are two things that don't exist when you're trying to take something's life with a bow. Accurate, lethal and strong are what I'm looking for. The Doppler radar proved the energy at the bow is useless! When arrows over 600 grains hit with more retained energy at 60 yds then the light arrow left the bow with. Your speed and energy erosion is terrible on the light arrow at distance. Great videos as always. Both very knowledgeable archers.
I love waking up to ElkShape Monday mornings it gets me motivated for the week. Now its time for range, and gym time. Gotta get ready to smoke my elk in December!
Awesome, buddy and I drew 1st bow elk in the Gila, NM. Quitting job Thursday to scout full time (gotta get your priorities right). Friday will be at pro shop for final tuning. Still tweaking arrow and this vid helps so much. Thank You!! Soooo amped!!!
Kinetic energy at launch is basically the same no matter what arrow weight you have. Heavy, higher foc arrows will retain more energy downrange and have more momentum built in due to the added mass.
I shoot a similar set up you guys are describing but on whitetails only not elk but I blow threw everything with it using under a 400 grain arrow. My bow is tuned and it hits hard. Thanks for sharing your experiences with this. Like you said it's not just one thing. It's a combination of things. I've been bow hunting since the early 70s and the setup I have now is the best Ive ever used for whitetails.
Structural integrity and perfect arrow flight are number 1 and 2, and most important, in Ashby's terminal arrow performance report. A lot of people get hung up on number 3 which is FOC. Josh, love ya dude, but there is no such thing as overkill.
Thank you. Your exactly right. It depends on what your shooting as to your set up I mostly shoot dense woods white tail ,boar so I run a 650 grain 29% foc 28in draw I'm flying at 250 fps. but with that said I will not shoot beyond 40 yds in fact all of my kills are 20 and in from a ground blind ezv ranges for me. But if I'm going to Colorado or Wyoming for mule deer or elk antelope then I'll run 450 grains at 290 fps it's all about perspective on where and what your hunting.
Iam just a whitetail hunter here in Iowa. But I love your channel and the information you guys provide. THANK YOU.