Almost Wrecking My S2000 (80 mph lift-off oversteer)
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2020
- 2024 update: don't do this! Drive safe. It's not worth risking your life or other's lives just for an adrenaline rush. Keep it well within your limits, stay in your lane, and don't go too fast. This way you'll keep the backroad fun for yourself and safe for others--also you won't give car enthusiasts a bad image. Cheers!
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2024 update: don't do this! Drive safe. It's not worth risking your life or other's lives just for an adrenaline rush. Keep it well within your limits, stay in your lane, and don't go too fast. This way you'll keep the backroad fun for yourself and safe for others--also you won't give car enthusiasts a bad image. Cheers!
bro had a baby
just learn how to drive your car lol
It's good to listen to your own advice sometimes...
@@-aid4084 pass drivers ed first before coming at me jit
Thanks for that update. I see you got wise.
Trackdays are your friend, please go have fun without the trees, they bite 👍🏼
I hope you mean bark... Pun intended
@@george.lemonade under rated comment haha 😂
@@george.lemonade Had me rolling
@@george.lemonade lmao
even the bushes can be hefty sometimes
I don't think it is lift off oversteer. You just got the weight off the suspension over the crest and then the small amount of steering input you did have took hold when the weight came back down on the front tires.
If you had the throttle on and that happened it would have been ALOT worse.
If you would have been on throttle your rear suspension would be under load providing more grip
@@rowdyellenburg8525 There is actually less grip available for cornering if you are using the grip for acceleration or even just to maintain a speed.
The tyres only have a certain amount of grip, it doesn't care what it's being used for, that's up to the driver to divide it up between throttle or braking and cornering.
If you are using 50% of a tyres grip for throttle than you only have 50% left for cornering.
The fact the arse sits down under acceleration doesn't mean it's not using alot more grip, than that "sit down" rear axle force is providing on-top of what the tyre can naturally achieve.
@@kierenalvarez stop arguing and changing the goal post it wasn't a corner. dude lifted off at the top of a crest which is a no no when you are going that fast you have to be committed. he coulda done 90mph flat out and not had the issue. but all in all shouldn't be going that fast period. i like the guy same rules as i do, about 70mph in the straights you can still have enough fun with practicing the corners which is the more important part, and probably not go to jail if you got pulled over.
@@johnconcentrius ... grip available for cornering. I said. I didn't say he was cornering. When the weight came back down he had a small amount of steering input which changed the direction of the car too suddenly for the rear end to hold to the road.
Also your level of driver commitment has nothing to do with the cars level of grip.
@@johnconcentrius "dude lifted off at the top of a crest which is a no no when you are going that fast you have to be committed. he coulda done 90mph flat out and not had the issue." what kind of uneducated statement is this?? Like the other guy said, your level of commitment doesn't correlate to the car maintaining control, commitment is not the issue here, it's entirely the fact that he slightly steered over the crest and the steering didn't grip until his front tires got weight again, thereby upsetting the car because the steering input was suddenly too much... i feel like you're gonna crash thinking stupid things like that, because you don't seem to have a very good grasp of car physics.
I'm actually really surprised by what happened. I thought for sure it would be mid bend but understand why it happened. Lifting off before the crest shifted the weight to the front, then going over the crest the rear gets even lighter so it crept a little. You did will to catch it due to how unexpected it was. It's difficult to react to these sudden, unexpected moments and you honestly did well. Glad to hear you're OK and have learned from it.
This is basically how my dad came very close to dying and now has lifelong injuries. Lift off over steer over a cresting corner. Car snapped around and sent him into a telephone pole and then a barbed wire fence (notable, given it was in a convertible). I had never seen so much blood in my life.
Drive safe.
I actually lost my S2000 in a similar situation;
I wasn't speeding and I knew the road well, but it had just stopped sprinkling and the roads were damp with some dry patches.
I was coming into a downward corkscrew (to the right and then left), slowed down before the turn, the weight shifted to the front, I felt the rear get light, it hit a slick spot and snapped around, I went full lock to the left, the front lost traction and plowed through the turn into a guardrail, the rear spun 180 degrees and slid backwards across the road, sideswiping the opposite. guardrail.
The previous owner had also lowered the car and I think the stiffer springs and change in suspension geometry made the car ever more twitchy and unstable.
Mind you, the SUV in front of me was going faster than me and had no issues 😅
So, a combination of things struck all at once and resulted in one of the biggest heartbreaks of my life. The car was totaled and insurance didn't cover it, so I sold the car at a huge loss and have never been able to afford another S2000.
At least the guy I sold it to was a collision repair specialist and completely restored the car, so hopefully it's still on the road somewhere.
Every time I see an S2000 in the wild, my heart pangs.
Felt, and I have a prelude
The AP1's will snap loose in a heartbeat with oversteer & being in to low of a gear going around a corner, can wheel hop. Too much torque for the tires to stick. I know, I wrecked an AP1 on a mountain 17 years ago.
The AP2's are MUCH safer with 'VSA' standard. When your brain & foot & hands screw up, it can usually correct the mistake(s). By cutting the throttle (drive by wire), each individual brake can brake in whatever scenario required to correct the yaw. 50% left rear brake, 75% right rear, 50% front left, 40% front right, etc. They also come with a beefier rear stabilizer. You can turn VSA off, but I wouldn't recommend it unless on a track. It's saved me a bunch of times. Overreacts sometimes, but would rather have it do that then wait to long.. AP2 wrecks are much less then AP1's..
I specifically bought an 06 to get VSA and DBW. All the 'purists' act like 04 and 05 are better, that having a bit more margin of safety is like some admission of a skill issue. On the street I am trying to get someplace alive and the roads and other drivers can make 'skill' moot in an instant.
save you time 0:28
watching s2000 is never a lost time
@@pawe8713 ^^
Your attention span is cooked my friend
Short form content generation who cant watch a 36 seconds video
my brother in christ it is a 35 second video
S2K owner. I seek out videos like this sometimes to remind myself to back off.
The AP 1 is prone to that but the AP2 is more docile, also or seams u need to be heel n towing, or downshifting later down in the revs, for extra precautions
That's a scary situation. It's all good to have a little fun on the street... but best to go to autocross or track day for yours and your car's safety!
I have been to a few autocrosses, a track day is the goal though! Saving up as I type this lol
They are crazy expensive! It's BS. Should be much more affordable.
@@Silverline2572 whats an average price for a track day at your place?
Here in Croatia its 158USD for a track day that lasts 4 to 5 hours sometimes... Meanwhile an average salary is about 900USD...
@@TomoReso Well, I haven't gone in a while..In the US 10-15 years ago it was like $200-$250 for 'Friday at the Track' (FAT). You had a 'safety briefing', they would check out your car, then you' get about 60-90 minutes on the track. A instructor had to come with unless you had a special license or a certain amount of hours on the track & a instructor signed off. A new track near me is like $400-$550+ for like 3 hours..No thanks..If your a member of a car club & the club schedules a track day the rates are more reasonable. The FAT days at Summit Point were nice because my car insurance would cover any damage as it was considered a 'driver instruction' class 😃. Yikes, that's an INSANE price in Croatia. A salary of 80K USD & $550 for 3 hours is nuts for me..
And everyone else on the road.
Fellow S2k owner here. Ap2. I don’t have any technical advice so I’ll just leave this. YIKES!
Glad that need ok. Be careful bro. On second thought I will agree that I go slow over risers and jumps I can’t see over. This has saved me from a few shetchy moves. Other than that I pretty much drive as fast as you are going there.
wvjon75 Yup, I do too, but I was a little too absorbed in the moment and the crest surprised me which was why I lifted
@@TforTouge Glad you did! From my 30+ years of driving, I actually learned something on here/or was reinforced. I did not know the major dangers of flying over a big hill/jump with the S2K because the RWD. I just always lifted on big hills or hills on roads I didn't know, as I just knew it was sketchy & possibly put me in a out of control position.
Glad that instinct was working. Front wheel drive cars are MUCH more forgiving on hills & driving too fast on turns as the tires talk on the corners when your at or close to the grip limit. As when we were teenagers with our parents cars some of us would try & get 'air' on certain hills..Of corse the roads were crazy curvy & had large inclines/declines, but usually not on the hills..Still surrounded by trees though 👎. Luckily none of us wrecked! I was in buddies car & he got enough air where it smacked the transmission on landing. Was an expensive fix. I rarely did it, but was arrogant in my 96 GSR N/A with about 15K put into it. On a couple hills I was going too fast & didn't like the out of control feeling until the front tires gripped. The steering wheel forcibly moved back & forth, but luckily not enough to send me to far one way or the other..After that I said, enough of that! Lot's of us on this channel are very lucky we didn't have a tragedy happen & have been able to learn from our mistakes or others..Plus the years of now gained experience.
Stay safe!
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But he didn’t liff…?!
That's not lift off oversteer but glad you didn't ditch!
Let's also take note that there is a small small angle incline right before he almost loses control. If the springs and dampeners aren't set right, your tires could have not kept its point of contact with the ground, but I'm just a learning person so take it with a grain of salt
I noticed this as well; this is actually what caused the partial-loss of traction.
Fortunately that was only a close call and you've lived to learn. We all had to come close to these kinds of situation to understand the limits of not only our cars, but the roads we're on. People shouldn't flame this guy, most of us have done something similar and learned from it. Glad you made changes and don't stop enjoying your s2000.
☝️☝️☝️You don't know to learn without finding out how little you know. The second I saw a hill and OP lift off the throttle I was audibly saying Oh no OH no but you only find out why you don't upset balance during an elevation change due to the loss in grip until you see yourself or others make the mistake. Trust me it gets infinitely scarier doing this in a mid-engine car. The speed at which they snap and spin is hard to comprehend in the moment.
What do you mean by upset balance?
@@JoseSanchez-zo5tbthe balance of the car
I learned my lesson too. My 8th gen civic si had lift off oversteer going 110mph on a tight wooded tree corner. (The LSD in the front kept the grip on the front tires and the back end light when lifting) I instinctively put my foot back on the throttle and was able to control it. Damn, was I close to death.
Glad to see you’re safe buddy. When it comes to public roads like these, especially if they’re surrounded by trees, I think it’s best to play it safe.
Unless you have the aerodynamics of a F1 car or your car’s heavy enough so it’s basically stuck on the ground, slowing down on hills is the best thing you can do. It’s the same reason why people kept crashing on areas such like Quiddelbacher-Höhe, Schwedenkreuz, and Fuchsröhre in the Nurburgring.
Props to good Control without panic. For average driver that could have end a lot worst.
Almost Every time i overestimate cars… i did not expect this also.
But if you did know the route well that was not very smart.
flipped my ek 2 days ago due to let off oversteer. Wish I reacted as well as u did too it
spun out twice today coming off roundabouts wasn't driving aggressive either, but noticed iv got a puncture on the near side rear, anyone else had massive problem when tyre pressures aren't correct? the car felt like it was on ice skates, was twitching even in a straight line
For sure, the car is really sensitive to tire pressure.
I’ve had two of these cars and tyres are more important than on any other car I’ve driven. My first car was a 2000 registration and had very average rubber. It was like driving on a skid pan in the wet! Had Toyo (can’t remember the detail) fitted which made it feel like a different car altogether and then tried several other recommended brands, all pretty good. I now have a 2003 car which had OEM Potenzas on it when I bought it in 2014. As this was a fairly immaculate car with half the miles of the other (which I also kept another 3 years), I found them a bit more progressive and more chilled driving experience. Also, I’m very conscious of run flats being a good thing if I have a blow out at speed in an S2000.
I’ve heard of these cars being tricky on a crest like in the video, but haven’t experienced it.
How are your tires? sounds and looks like they lack some grip.
They're in the dumpster. I have Hankook RS4s now
I heard & though that too.. I was like why are his tires bitching at that speed & corner. I've gone through a bunch of different tires. All the Bridgestone models. The best in my 17 years having S2000's for only dry & wet are the Michelin MX4's I think. Definitely Michelins, but if you go to TireRack & look at tires for our car, they're listed & have the best reviews. Many from S2K drivers, plus the tread wear is MUCH longer then any of the Bridgestone's. Expensive, but worth it. I've got 4+ years on them & 1/3 tread left. Don't put a lot of miles on them, but they stick like glue & are great in the rain. 👍
@@TforTouge has this changed the behaviour at all? I just got an AP1 and she's lively af
@@gpajic1987 It just has more grip. still very twitchy and not that confidence inspiring. My next mods are motor mounts (pretty sure mine are blown) and a thick front sway bar which should cut the roll and tendency to oversteer
Hankooks are solid, but Michelin is Primo Imo
where is it in this video?
0:29
@@TforTouge seems like the weight shifted🤔
high revving NA for life 🔥🔥
what exact year is ur honda s2k? thanks also itneresting phone mount setup how did u get ur phone there? thanks
It's a 2003. The phone mount is a Modifry dash bracket with a magnetic phone mount 3M taped to the dash bracket.
glad you didnt crash fellow s2k brotha :)
Hardly almost wrecking it. You had a small moment.
that's not a lift off oversteer. the car basically lost traction due to centrifugal effect. Lift off oversteer happens when car cornering at its grip limit and a sudden lost of acceleration cause weight to be transfer to the front and rear wheel lost traction and you car "Over" steer than you intended to be.
I was gonna say. The gr Yaris on the Nurb brought me here investigating….if FR Cars can suffer lift on oversteer, this isn’t the case👍🏼
I'm going to be a bit harsh, but try to not take it personally, this could keep you alive. We all share the roads, and I want you to be a good driver for everyone's sake.
But first off, you're over-driving those tires. Drive within the abilities of yourself and your car. If your abilities are awesome, get better tires.
Second, you're on public roads and it appears you are a VERY new driver. When it comes to areas where you can't see what's around the next curve or hill, prepare for that by slowing down. It doesn't take any of the fun out of it, and actually can be more fun to accelerate once you pull out of the corner. Your visibility is horrible in some places, and it looks like you are not familiar with this road at all. You can get familiar with a road first a few times, and learn the curves and challenges a bit. Know where the driveways and intersections are, pay attention to the time of day when people might be out more. Don't drive fast when the sun reduces your vision. It sounds like common sense, but I promise it's not.
Third, something appears to be wrong with that car's setup besides the tires. Has it been in an accident and possibly not repaired correctly? I would get that checked out. Pay a professional at a track maybe you figure out what is wrong. And I would do that after an alignment and better tires.
Fourth, don't be too proud to get lessons on handling your car. A lot of people die because we think we are such amazing drivers. Learn on the track first, and ideally only drive that way there.
All of this advice comes from many of my own mistakes, and if someone gave me this advice a long time ago, I probably would have ignored it like you might ignore mine. But it's there if you want it. I don't in any way think I'm better than you.
Thanks man. I realize my mistakes and I've definitely learned from them. Next time I go out onto some backroads I'll be twice as cautious and the car will be better set up. That crest actually surprised me and I usually do slow down for turns and crests. That was probably my 7th run on that road, so yeah not fully familiar with it. I'm a fairly new to RWD cars, but I'm definitely somewhat familiar with the car at its limits at lower speeds since I've brought it to autocross a handful of times. High speed control is something I'm not familiar with though, so I was definitely driving out of my abilities here.
The car hasn't been aligned since I got it and it's on all-season tires which would explain the instability. I do plan to get some time on a track come next season, but it's not very budget friendly and I can't afford that right now. Appreciate you taking the time to write this!
@@TforTouge I agree with the above. I've owned my 01 S for three years now, and only after a year, some track days and almost 15k miles did I start to feel comfortable with it. And by comfortable meaning I can rotate the car how I want if when I want it. These cars can demand alot from the driver at the limit, because it is so well balanced, it can be unbalanced easily by your inputs. As well because of that balance, things like alignment and tires play a huge role in maintaining the mechanical half. Even uneven tire pressure can throw off the way the car drives due to the torsen differential.
If you aren't already, just like the owners manual says check oil at every fueling. You should check your rear tire pressures. Once you have a proper alignment and good tires, when something as simple as unevenly inflated tires happens, you will feel it and know something is wrong. The S is a precision machine. Just give it time, enjoy it. But be safe on public roads.
100% I sit down with this comment, I couldn't say it any better.
@@TforTouge Do yourself a big favor & buy the best dry/wet tires you can afford. No all season, especially for S.
A good alignment & correct tire pressure & you'll think got an even better handling car, because you will! It handles well regardless, but to me with the Michelins it feels like I'm on rails. You can always over cook a corner going way to fast, & stepping on the gas won't get you out of it. Unless your an expert drifter & a lot of road.
I let off the throttle slow as I can & not touch the brakes, while barely staying on the throttle. If you slam on the brakes, forget it. Of course it's true to keep your foot on the gas going through the corner & squeezing it more as your coming out. Happens to me if the turn is much sharper then expected & I didn't brake hard enough beforehand. That's what has worked for me & have been to a few track days with an instructor.
If you're a really good driver, I mean expert level, some can drift through a corner if they get into a corner too fast. I'm not that talented & have been driving for 30 years. 20 of those were with front wheel drive cars though, which are MUCH more forgiving..I had a supped up Integra GSR & would push the hell out it & the tires would always tell me 'danger', 'danger' if I was taking a corner too fast..
@@DekLabs On point!
Have seen the oversteer. The car handles well indeed.
Hey man! Where you filming? I’m in VA and I been looking for people who like to touge and not just go drift at the track lol
This was in Hocking Hills, OH! You'll definitely find some touge spots in VA!
Did you touch the brake pedal?
Nice work on adding the stiff front swaybar, will help a lot. Do you have a rear wing fitted? If not, it would be well worth it.
for fun, what tires were u using and how new? and temperature outside?
it's possible some good summer tires would easily make up for this
I don’t even see anything happening in the video?? Time code??
I nearly did the same in my Mercedes. except it was in Yorkshire dales where roads are half the width of this 😂
Ik he almost crashed but the camera angle is perfect so Ima sub lol
To me it looks like there's a little dip in the road before the crest. Hard to tell with the video, but that's what it looks like when you drove over it. Did you have stock suspension? Kind of surprised the car walked so much over such a little dip. Gotta keep your eyes on the road and anticipate how the road will unsettle your car, and input what the car will need as you get there, not after.
glad your still here brother
sick ride though man, sounds amazing whats your exhaust setup/other mods that contribute? also not bad shifting either, you're nailing them
Subscribed! I have been in an AP1 during a crash. Be safe!
Yeah, that was not liftoff oversteer. I have an MX-5. Four things need to happen, (1) going uphill, (2) turning fast and expecting the rear to slip, (3) a road saddle that points inward and (4) accelerating into turn.
The weigh needs to be at the back tires, the car has to have horizonatal torque down the center axis and the the rear tires have to be unable to slip. When this happens one gets the reaction force at the front tires and the car turnds into the turn. It is basically outward slip intended for the rear ends up going the other way at the front and being inward slip.
My advice be careful. Because when it happened to me it happened on a narrow mountain road in a blind turn. Luckily, no cars were going the other way. Because, in an instant the front of my car was in the other other lane. But, I hit the mountain and got the hell out of the road.
The MX-5 is perfectly balanced front to rear. So, if it cannot slip at the rear, it very well may slip the other way at the front. Going downhill is okay and a road with a saddle that declines to the outside is okay. And loading the car with torque in the yaw axis can be very dangerous, even with the TCS turned on.
While going over a crest too yikes, your car became weightless and you had some liftoff oversteer. Beautiful correction, you were very quick to react, well done. Would have been just about the worst car to wreck.
Gave me PTSD, s2ks are snappy, good save
blud saw the corner was too tight so mashed the brakes, then suffered from liftoff oversteer ong
i think that is due to you not shifting the weight to the front ( braking or lifting the gas )
if you know the steering wheel is getting light, be careful and gentle holding it straight. Nice job in this situation, just please consider others, you are only human and can still make mistakes. Those mistakes could end up costing other people too.
If you're commenting about how dangerous and reckless that was, save your time. I learned a lot from this experience about driving close to the limit. The car is a lot better sorted now (200 TW tires, big front sway bar, and lots of negative camber) and is a lot less edgy. I keep my speeds below 70 now on back roads, and I am very cautious of crests like the one seen in the video. Learn from my experience and take it easy on the back roads!
Going 80 on a hill and a curve...id prepare for oversteer in any car especially an s2k... I think u did a good job keeping control...kudos keep at it
narcissistic fool
Yeah. I figured. I too have had an oh shit moments at high speeds on a back road, and I was in the passenger seat of my car when it happened lol, I let my friend drive it and he was used to his salvage boaty tesla S wheee you could really tell you were speeding (from vibrations wind noise whatever), well he wasn’t use to a car that corners hood and sent my car into a bend at 95 mph on some Georgia back road, it oversteered, he caught it pretty well, and later said “holy shit I’m so sorry didn’t know I was going that fast, quickest I’ve gotten the P85D thru the apex was like 60~” yeah I rarely exceed 70 on backroads now.
Taking the car to the limits is what the track is for. There were 3 other cars on the other side of the road going opposite direction and a truck parked on the side of the road. Stop putting other people's lives at risk because of your own selfish stupidity. Thanks.
We all learn it the hard way 💪🏽 respect for not crashing here. #drivermod
Get some better tires. Sounds like all seasons which is not what you want for spirited driving
I've got some Hankook RS-4s now! They grip!
Unless they are Michelin Pilot Sport AS 3+ 🙃, but then you are paying $800 for tires lmao #worth though... They only get grippier the colder it gets, and perform almost as good as super sports during the summer!
@@dangusprime yeah no... those are a typical all season no good tire, and come nowhere close to super sports, ps4s. The super sport wasn't a great tire to begin with. Most summer tires will grip way better in the wet
Most fun car I ever had, but I’m surprise I didn’t kill my self in it!
careful, the trees bite!
One question as I'm inexperienced on high performance driving: how do you recover like that? Does the steering wheel have that torque that you get while drifting, or is this just pure luck and driver's "skill"?
It's just something you feel. It's intuitive. I would suggest going to a few autocross events with your traction control off and learning to control your car there.
@@TforTouge cool thanks
If that happened just 5-10 seconds later it couldve been catastrophic.
damn bro ive had some close calls in my AP1 but that was the sketch. I would try to remember that when driving an FR and especially the AP1, you want to be on throttle to keep the rear end planted and keep the car(rear tires) stable. In many scenarios, you may feel uncomfortable to get on throttle as opposed to lifting, but you will gain more confidence and grip when you put your foot down, keeping the car predictable.
otherwise, you will become a better driver with this car, as long as you are observative and have a strong motivation to become a better driver
Robert Epstein Yeah, I usually have it in the back of my mind to not lift, but that crest to me by surprise lol
@@TforTouge for sure I always have to force myself not to lift on certain corners that I would normally carry a lot of entry speed in my GTI. I would just try and learn the road well before you go hard, especially because this car won't forgive you for not knowing the road
@@RobertEpsteinYT Hah yeah this experience definitely opened my eyes to my driving and things that need changed!
Any car going 80mph and approaching the overcrest with even smallest yaw angle to the road will have similar sketchy moment.
Choosing to do so in AP1 - brave man
This is more ignorance than bravery lmao. 0% chance I would have gone that speed if I had knew about a crest
Where is this road? Looks amazing
Hocking Hills, Ohio
That was a Scandinavian flick without the follow through.
Other comments have it covered. "Lift off" doesnt mean like a rocket launch LOL, that crest did you in. Lift off oversteer is on flat ground, when you get to the track you will learn it!
It's simple as you had too much rebound stiffness build in the rear damper.
Pucker factor 10/10😂
Well handled tho
Wow. So impressive. You almost had to turn the wheel.
nawnce
Now that's what I call spirited driving :)
Hand me the keys lmaoooo
I would do circles around this guy.
It is super mild driving and i don`t even see ANY incident.
glad you keep going!
Not lift off oversteer just weight shifting. Still bloody dangerous though.
Yeah that could've been bad with those cars and that truck parked there.
You lifted at the top of the crest ....
forza teaches you all of that before your old enough to drive
What tire?
Yokohama Avid En-vigor. All-seasons haha
Sean Redlines no wonder they were squealing
@@TforTouge all season on an s2000. That is sketch.
@@xKiDDiamonDx I think you mean fun, but yes slightly sketch
Your suspension sucks. It's way too soft. Your tires more than likely suck also. That wasn't lift off oversteer. Your car being so light and the suspension so soft became unsprung going over the hill and caused you to lose control. You were going faster than the way your car is built could handle. There is another video on you tube of another car like your doing something similar except he ended up in a ditch. You almost died in a head on collision there. Upgrade you car and don't exceed it's abilities or your skill level
that`s the problem with de S2000, love that car but...
just doing what s2000 do
brown pants surely...
*Any crash happen*
All commenters: thats because you lift-off
Good recovery, but stop doing that anywhere but a track. There’s a reason it’s illegal.
Ignore the haters. We all learn!
that's called a fuckup, not lift off oversteer lol
Something is wrong with your alignment or suspension setup. Your lift off oversteer happens while your wheel is straight. Granted it's at a hill crest and deweighting the rear so likely experiencing bump steer as you are in an AP1, which brings me back to alignment, you can tune most of the bump steer out. As well, throughout the rest of the video there are times when your rear is stepping out creating tire noise when there shouldn't be. So you also have a tire issue, whether it be compound, or old tires.
I appreciate the insightful reply. My car is definitely nowhere a good setup. It's hasn't been aligned and it has all-season tires, but those two things are definitely next on my to-do list. What alignment specs would you recommend to combat this?
Hi there, You will likely need to dial bump steer yourself as most shops won't have bump steer plates, unless it is a race alignment shop. The plate is not that expensive. You can use this video as a reference, he's mapped out bump steer on AP1 rear
ruclips.net/video/ZRUgx431wgc/видео.html
As far as alignment specs, UK spec is pretty balanced and great all around. Regarding tires, if you want to continue running all seasons I suggest pilot sport 4 or similar. But the s really demands a sticky compound.
@@DekLabs Super helpful, thank you. I will be getting some 200TW tires and an alignment next season since it's almost winter here.
@@TforTouge cool man, good luck. Nice save as well. It's almost winter here too, so about to be garage nappy nap time for a while
@@DekLabs Wish I had that sort of luxury, but I'll be driving the S2k rain or snow. Right now I'm saving up for winter tires and some underbody coating to prevent rust
50/50 weight
You’re actually fairly lucky here, all 4 wheels stayed within the tarmac, otherwise it probably would have gotten ugly. But like others have mentioned here, do some trackdays 😉
Yeah, no. There was definitely lift and the wheels left the ground which resulted in the loss of control. I did autocross prior to this which was why I was able to catch it.
Take care of the 2000. They don’t make cars like that anymore.
Damn watch out buddy. Come out to Socal we have roads where there's practically no other traffic besides the canyon carvers. Here's an old video my buddy shot but you get the idea: ruclips.net/video/3ny4TlprJQY/видео.html
Cali has some of the nicest roads! Definitely hoping to visit some day.
Your going too fast over the hill. Tires off of the ground can’t get traction… common sense.
damn imagine breaking the speed limit and endangering everyone passing by you, then posting the video on youtube.
Your hand position bothers me, that is relaxed driving posture. No wonder you almost crashed
Two hands on the wheel is relaxed? What’s not relaxed then?
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Think a minute about what life would be like if a child was in the road around one of those bends.
Weird, looks like my '20 Si corners smoother, quieter and faster than this!?
If you got off there you are probably dead
You don't deserve a car.
Those cars are almost as bad as mustangs. Death trap
Wow, that was so reckless and dangerous! Have you considered upgrading your tires to something like 200 TW? It can make a significant difference in grip. Also, a big front sway bar could help with stability, and adding negative camber is a good move too. Maybe you could also think about keeping your speeds below 70 on back roads for added safety. Just a suggestion, but it seems like it could make your driving experience even better!
nice high pitch voice hahhhahahah
your driving looks like fighting for dear life, not fun at all
That can be the best kind of driving. You remember sketchy cars on the limit the most. 😁
best case scenario: when you inevitably crash sooner or later you are the only casualty
reckless driver, take it to the track if you are so 'experienced'.
Bro why tf are you treating A STREET as if its a Time Attack at a track. Go to a local track day and then speed around. This is very dangerous compared to doing a few pulls on a street or 2. You are constantly pushing the car in an uncontrolled enviroment. 4 minutes of nonstop pushing the car.
someone’s pressed over this guy hitting twisties. maybe you’re upset he’s having more fun than you
dont go 80 over a crest into a corner got it
There was a bump(crest) so you got out of control a bit. Not entirely your fault but it really is an accident magnet. Drive safe and if you want to practice that one, try rallying.