So way back when I was in middle school, we had a list of novels to choose from to read over the summer and the Notebook was on that list. It definitely wasn't something I should've read at the time, but there was something so amazing about it when I usually hated reading after coming from a preppy school that forced me to so often. It felt like a dark escapism, a taboo that made me feel terrified, uncomfortable, depressed, but somehow excited as well. The first novel alone is striking to me all these years later and it's incredibly surprising to me that the novel that stuck with me the most would go on to inspire the RPG that stuck with me the most...
I just had an epiphany… The family deaths in the game are inverses of the deaths in the books. In the game, the mother is the one to die first, and Claus dies at the end of the game. And in the books, the father is the one to die first, and Lucas dies at the end. Further parallels that can be drawn. Such as both Hinawa and the twins father get murdered in a very brutal way, with Hinawa getting chomped on by a mechanical dinosaur, and the twins father getting shot several times. Then there’s the fact that both Claus in the game and Lucas in the book die by ending themselves.
Damn, all three endings are bleak as hell. I personally hope Klaus in "The Third Lie" eventually realizes that killing himself won't do any good and actually gets the help he desperately needs, but maybe that's just wishful thinking...
You are welcome! I totally understand, there are lots of moments that were rough to get through 😬 if you've tried reading it, you probably know but I left plenty of details out lol
I just finished Undertale for the first time this past Novemeber! I can't wait to read Clyde Mandelin's book about its localization into Japanese, which comes out this month. I will very likely make a Dark Aspects about the game later this year, and when I do I'll be sure to take my time to get it just right!
@@ThaneGaming I doubt anyone could do a full Dark Aspects as we know so little about a lot of the unused content (Like the Mystery Man, his Followers and Gaster (who we all assume is the same as Mystery Man)).
Hey Thane, what do you think Itoi could’ve meant when he said he wanted to “betray the player”? You did mention a similar event with Leder’s speech, but seeing as it’s still in the game, it likely wasn’t the scenario he was referring to (assuming The Notebook was in fact his inspiration for the betrayal). My thoughts were that it has to do with Lucas (from the novel) using the alias Klaus, and how it may have played into the game’s final battle. What if the line of text “His face looked just like Lucas’s”, referring to Claus removing his helmet, was supposed to be taken more literally? It actually _was_ Lucas, and the player was controlling a delusional Claus the whole time.
It seems that's the most likely case, as I do think The Notebook trilogy could have easily been the source of his fixation on a "dirty" scenario intended to upset & disappoint players. The way he describes his vision makes me feel that he wanted to go beyond "betraying" the player's expectations and "betray" them on an emotional level with an unreliable narrator, like Ágota Kristóf did with her sequel stories. Itoi revealing that the player's been controlling the other twin this whole time at the climax of the game would have certainly made me react similarly to The Third Lie's ending, which seems to be a theme with his inspirations (much like using Giygas to emulate the trauma he felt after viewing that scene from The Military Policeman and the Dismembered Beauty). Itoi is very introspective and wants others to feel the same strong emotions he felt with media that deeply resonated with him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to recreate The Third Lie's impact with a similar twist! That's a great observation you made about the line “His face looked just like Lucas's". Great question, thanks for asking it 😁
Papa Luiee is a chaotic good capitalist, who abandons employees day one to essentially run an entire business but also helps people out of bad situations. Also he's a priest who officiates a marriage ath the end of pastaria!
I wonder what other creative projects he would've taken up instead in that time--maybe novel writing? He did collaborate with Haruki Murakami by writing short stories for Let's Meet in a Dream... It wouldn't be the same, but maybe in an alternate universe I'm obsessed with a book trilogy by Itoi, waiting for that third novel to be published outside of Japan 😅
Great video, thank you for making it! I was always curious about the books, but I never got around reading them. Now I'm kind of glad I didn't, they just sound kind of horrific 💀 I'm sure theyre beautifully written though, I just don't think I could handle it
@@berniekatzroy I'm in the special thanks of his video! I haven't watched it yet but he did reach out with a question about using clips of the film adaptation of the first book
@@ThaneGaming Well, the Pigmask army kinda resembles the Empire - a big modernized military. This plays into the nature vs technology theme. The helmet of the Pigmask suit resembles Darth Vader’s helmet; in fact, the Colonels with their capes further resemble Vader. A Pigmask colonel sorta looks like a Pig Darth Vader, except white instead of black. The main link to Star Wars is the Masked Man, who wields what looks like an orange lightsaber. Claus and Anakin were both found ina near-death state by Porky or his army and the Emperor respectively, and were given a new cybernetically enhanced body and made to be servants of their respective masters. They are thus both cyborgs with cool masks and lightsabers, powerful in PSI/the Force and they are both forced to do the bidding of somebody in charge of a militaristic dictatorship. They are both also family members of the main character, Vader is Luke’s father and the Masked man is Lucas’ brother. Both have a similar death, being offed by a lightning attack, Vader dying to Palpatine’s sith lightning and Claus dying to his own bolt of electricity. They pass away in the hands of their respective main characters. Porky is similar to Emperor Palpatine in the ways already mentioned, but due to time travel, Porky’s body became very very old, and while Palpatine isn’t extremely old like Porky, he still looks like an ugly old man. Lucas and Luke Skywalker, the protagonists of the respective game/movies, have a very similar name, Luke and Lucas can even be considered the same name. You could draw a parallel between Thunder Tower and the Death Star, with both serving a similar purpose, that being to intimidate subjects and crush opposition. The too of Thunder Tower also happens to be a huge sphere. So, as you can see, there is certainly a possibility of inspiration. While many of these similarities are quite minor, when there are a lot of coincidences, a connection becomes probable. I think this could make for a decent idea for a video.
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So way back when I was in middle school, we had a list of novels to choose from to read over the summer and the Notebook was on that list. It definitely wasn't something I should've read at the time, but there was something so amazing about it when I usually hated reading after coming from a preppy school that forced me to so often.
It felt like a dark escapism, a taboo that made me feel terrified, uncomfortable, depressed, but somehow excited as well. The first novel alone is striking to me all these years later and it's incredibly surprising to me that the novel that stuck with me the most would go on to inspire the RPG that stuck with me the most...
I just had an epiphany… The family deaths in the game are inverses of the deaths in the books. In the game, the mother is the one to die first, and Claus dies at the end of the game. And in the books, the father is the one to die first, and Lucas dies at the end.
Further parallels that can be drawn. Such as both Hinawa and the twins father get murdered in a very brutal way, with Hinawa getting chomped on by a mechanical dinosaur, and the twins father getting shot several times. Then there’s the fact that both Claus in the game and Lucas in the book die by ending themselves.
At the beginning of this video I was like: "Wow Klaus and Lucas would be good names for twin boys."
At the middle I was like: "lol no."
Finally some new mother 3 content in 2023
I always wanted to read the books, but never had the chance too. Nice video.
Thank you! I'm glad I could offer an alternative to reading these books 😊 I'd love for more people to at least know about them!
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Damn, all three endings are bleak as hell. I personally hope Klaus in "The Third Lie" eventually realizes that killing himself won't do any good and actually gets the help he desperately needs, but maybe that's just wishful thinking...
Thank you for the summation. I wanted to know what happened, but that is not the type of literature that I enjoy reading. 👍🏻👍🏻
You are welcome! I totally understand, there are lots of moments that were rough to get through 😬 if you've tried reading it, you probably know but I left plenty of details out lol
Now I want a Dark Aspects of Undertale
I just finished Undertale for the first time this past Novemeber! I can't wait to read Clyde Mandelin's book about its localization into Japanese, which comes out this month. I will very likely make a Dark Aspects about the game later this year, and when I do I'll be sure to take my time to get it just right!
@@ThaneGaming I doubt anyone could do a full Dark Aspects as we know so little about a lot of the unused content (Like the Mystery Man, his Followers and Gaster (who we all assume is the same as Mystery Man)).
Hey Thane, what do you think Itoi could’ve meant when he said he wanted to “betray the player”? You did mention a similar event with Leder’s speech, but seeing as it’s still in the game, it likely wasn’t the scenario he was referring to (assuming The Notebook was in fact his inspiration for the betrayal).
My thoughts were that it has to do with Lucas (from the novel) using the alias Klaus, and how it may have played into the game’s final battle. What if the line of text “His face looked just like Lucas’s”, referring to Claus removing his helmet, was supposed to be taken more literally? It actually _was_ Lucas, and the player was controlling a delusional Claus the whole time.
It seems that's the most likely case, as I do think The Notebook trilogy could have easily been the source of his fixation on a "dirty" scenario intended to upset & disappoint players. The way he describes his vision makes me feel that he wanted to go beyond "betraying" the player's expectations and "betray" them on an emotional level with an unreliable narrator, like Ágota Kristóf did with her sequel stories.
Itoi revealing that the player's been controlling the other twin this whole time at the climax of the game would have certainly made me react similarly to The Third Lie's ending, which seems to be a theme with his inspirations (much like using Giygas to emulate the trauma he felt after viewing that scene from The Military Policeman and the Dismembered Beauty). Itoi is very introspective and wants others to feel the same strong emotions he felt with media that deeply resonated with him, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to recreate The Third Lie's impact with a similar twist! That's a great observation you made about the line “His face looked just like Lucas's". Great question, thanks for asking it 😁
I want Dark Aspects of CoolMathGames
Run 2 was an allegory for running from one's inner demons
Papa Luiee is a chaotic good capitalist, who abandons employees day one to essentially run an entire business but also helps people out of bad situations. Also he's a priest who officiates a marriage ath the end of pastaria!
if you had twins and you had to name them based on anagrams what would their names be and why?
I would pick Leon and Noel, because not only is it an anagram, it's a palindrome!
I'm glad Itoi wanted to make video games
I wonder what other creative projects he would've taken up instead in that time--maybe novel writing? He did collaborate with Haruki Murakami by writing short stories for Let's Meet in a Dream...
It wouldn't be the same, but maybe in an alternate universe I'm obsessed with a book trilogy by Itoi, waiting for that third novel to be published outside of Japan 😅
@@ThaneGaming Yeah i think that's most likely alternative lol
It's hard to watch when I'm busy crying from the music😂😭😂
That's how I feel editing these MOTHER 3 videos! It takes me back to those scenes from the game and I need a moment to process it 😅
They really made a movie of the books
Yes they made a movie of the first book in 2013! It's pretty good, I rented it after finishing the series. There are also theater adaptations
Wow, these books don't sound like fun. Glad I stuck around.
Wait. Is your name Thane or Ethan? The world will never know.
Yes
Clearly it’s Ethane 😉
Great video, thank you for making it! I was always curious about the books, but I never got around reading them. Now I'm kind of glad I didn't, they just sound kind of horrific 💀 I'm sure theyre beautifully written though, I just don't think I could handle it
Did you know: Lucas looks and seems like Asriel from Undertale and Basil from Omori.
100% agree w/ Asriel, having just finished Undertale! I have yet to play Omori--it's on my list!
MonkeyNess recently did a video on this book series too and it's relation to Mother 3.
@@berniekatzroy I'm in the special thanks of his video! I haven't watched it yet but he did reach out with a question about using clips of the film adaptation of the first book
@@ThaneGaming amazing. I've just always been a fan of the earthbound/mother series, so to have a channel dedicated to it is pretty awesome.
Did you also known Mother 3 was also inspired by the original trilogy of star wars.
I don't remember Itoi mentioning Star Wars but I can absolutely see that, do you know how specifically?
@@ThaneGaming Well, the Pigmask army kinda resembles the Empire - a big modernized military. This plays into the nature vs technology theme.
The helmet of the Pigmask suit resembles Darth Vader’s helmet; in fact, the Colonels with their capes further resemble Vader. A Pigmask colonel sorta looks like a Pig Darth Vader, except white instead of black.
The main link to Star Wars is the Masked Man, who wields what looks like an orange lightsaber. Claus and Anakin were both found ina near-death state by Porky or his army and the Emperor respectively, and were given a new cybernetically enhanced body and made to be servants of their respective masters. They are thus both cyborgs with cool masks and lightsabers, powerful in PSI/the Force and they are both forced to do the bidding of somebody in charge of a militaristic dictatorship. They are both also family members of the main character, Vader is Luke’s father and the Masked man is Lucas’ brother. Both have a similar death, being offed by a lightning attack, Vader dying to Palpatine’s sith lightning and Claus dying to his own bolt of electricity. They pass away in the hands of their respective main characters.
Porky is similar to Emperor Palpatine in the ways already mentioned, but due to time travel, Porky’s body became very very old, and while Palpatine isn’t extremely old like Porky, he still looks like an ugly old man.
Lucas and Luke Skywalker, the protagonists of the respective game/movies, have a very similar name, Luke and Lucas can even be considered the same name.
You could draw a parallel between Thunder Tower and the Death Star, with both serving a similar purpose, that being to intimidate subjects and crush opposition. The too of Thunder Tower also happens to be a huge sphere.
So, as you can see, there is certainly a possibility of inspiration. While many of these similarities are quite minor, when there are a lot of coincidences, a connection becomes probable. I think this could make for a decent idea for a video.