As an ethinic chinese, the complaints about not having DEI is like people asking why there are no black guys in the LOTR trilogy. These are foundational myths to chinese culture much like beowulf or more recently LOTR. Its absurd to look at it through the lens of modern gender norms and DEI
@@marsillinkow I'll never understand DEI cultural appropriation tactics. They literally are being what they "claim" they are against. I cant even believe their level of self-delusion that they dont even notice it. I loved seeing historical chinese stuff and hope to see more of it. If our government dont end up in some stupid clash
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IGN mistranslated what wukong developers posted. They literally lied and then other reviewers cited their misleading article and it spread. I’m surprised you aren’t caught up with this cause it’s such a big game
So the "problematic" social media post by devs on Black Myth: Wukong are actually common Chinese slang/phrases that absolutely do not translate to English well (or at all). They are run through a crude translator and then posted online to generate outrage where none should exist. People are trying to launch a smear campaign against this game, and there is absolutely zero justification for it. Support good devs who don't give in to corporate or political bullying.
And this is the third draft outrage. Earlier attempts to malign the studio were more blatant and western centric in their brain dead outrage pandering.
@@TheVertical92look into how Germany censors Hitler in any media and journalists got their newspapers removed due to just regular chill articles. This is a small example. On one side celebrating the White Rose with a museum and being pro speech and on the other making laws to mess with their history they should accept.
@@skeel77730 just said Chinese video games. Don’t know where you’re getting politics from. Though yeah they would almost absolutely not allow that either. Honestly though, I’d be based and hilarious if a streamer playing it said they supported Taiwan just like, outta the blue.
@@gintokiftw5152 Without comparing this game to Genshin Impact, the reviews will never be accurate and reliable. Thank the lord, Dark Souls isn't Chinese. So the reviewers can still use that the benchmark comparison for everything.
The Wu Kong controversy is based on a gross mistranslation :p one spread around by many journalists. There was a translation done by a journalist (I think IGN) that essentially said "I want to get licked til I can't get an erection" which makes Zero sense, but so many journalists ran with this version. The real version was something like "I do not want to hire people who will brown nose me" despite knowing it's a mistranslation, Journalists are STILL claiming they might be a sexist company. So the Journalists who mistranslates and lies is mad the Dev they refer to as "possibly sexist" does not want to talk to them.
But it's not though? Unless you can source where's it's a mistranslation. Paul Tassi has explicitly shown that the document is real and was sent in English.
There is no controversy it is just a bunch of made up crap by terrible game journalists that have a personal agenda to push 'the message'. But as we all know 'the message' = game death. So glad the devs are not going this route.
@@vidmasterK1 Are they really grifting when’s it’s a real subject ? It would be like a game about Amazon warriors and a male journalist got offended cause there was not enough males.
So, in regards to the Wukong article that Joe mentioned not remembering too well was an old IGN article that, let's charitably say, misinterpreted English translations of messages made in Mandarin from the games devs. Needless to say, these interpretations are provably inaccurate. But being that it was a driver of clicks for IGN, a number of other media outlets published their own takes that were just rewordings of the original article and only cited the original article as a source. BTW, when IGN did their review of the game, they noticeably left out all of their previous accusations of sexism from that article.
IGN also failed to address accusations of racism and sexism from these companies by deliberately targeting Asian males for removal. Dead Rising and Assassin's Creed Shadows is two instances of where they were successful while Black Myth Wukong is where they failed.
They used a Korean person who was not a native Chinese speaker, so while they may understand Mandarin, they didn’t understand the nuanced meaning of the actual translation, since it was a casual-type conversation interview. But I guess to IGN, Korean = Chinese so that’s good enough!
As a Black man who appreciates diversity it's always annoying when that's the first thing that comes to mind from other people is diversity. If you put diversity first above everything else your not enjoying/appreciating the IP. Imagine if there was a game based on African or Latin mythology and you hear "where's the representation/Diversity" when it's right there.
This. And even if EVERYONE is white, they could be from Russia, the UK, France, the US etc. That is DIVERSITY! It's not just color of the skin, and even if it was just that, there are different shades of "white"!
You're not black. You're brown. Unless you're reeeeeeallly black. I'm not black either. I'm burnt sienna. Whiteness doesn't exist. They're peach. Crayola is life.
EA is trolling us if they think putting a d20 in the Dragon Age collectors edition somehow makes up for the lack of RPG elements and tactics mode. It's not Baldur's Gate 3 lol
@JeyVGaming bought that chest back on release because I was hyped for the new Dragon Age game after enjoying both of the other entries (that's right, I liked DA2) but will be most likely waiting for the new one to show up in the pre-owned store some weeks later. Everything I see and hear about the new game encourages caution.
The Wukong controversy is so stupid Sweet Bully Inc tried hard to extort the devs and when it backfired they created a massive lie that backfired hard.
You have zero proof of this, stop being so scared of sweet baby inc, your boogeyman, you’re just a pitiful conspiracy theorist that wants something to blame for how much you hate progressiveness.
You need to be specific and fair, otherwise the DEI supporters will call you out. SBI was rumoured to have extorted Game Science (not the devs) who were going to handle Wukong. The amount in question ($7-8 million) was also not proven. However given SBI's actions in the past (including the CEO's speeches and posts), they DO threaten companies with what will happen if they do not get hired and implement DEI policies. The posts calling for proof of SBI's extortion and the amount they wanted from Game Science haven't been answered yet. But what is also important is that DENIALS are absent too, both from SBI (e.g. "No we have never approached Game Science about BM: Wukong") and Game Science.
They're responsible for Spider-Man 2, Suicide Squad and Gow Ragnarok. Funny thing is, all those games are worse than their previous titles, take a long guess why.
It's not like I needed ANOTHER reason not to buy a Ubisoft game, but them admitting that it's going to run terribly anyway is another nail in the coffin. I don't think Joe covered it, but when they removed *paid* single player DLC from Far Cry 3, that was the end for me.
Kotaku editors have made it clear, they're far more interested in politics and activism than just reporting facts about interesting games. You might wonder why people who don't want to talk about video games are writing for a publication whose purpose is supposed to be writing articles about video games and those who play them, but we honestly don't know for sure why people who don't want to talk about video games are hired to do so and may never until IGN and all those it now owns collapse because nobody actually uses their sites or reads their articles unless it's to make fun of them.
@@GodhandPlusOne I generally don't unless I'm looking up stuff about a game and end up on one of the useful articles actually about what I want to do. I mainly know about their behaviour because they always kick up a fuss on Twitter and other content creators I watch make fun of them for moaning about people not using their sites or being told by management to do more gaming articles instead of think pieces.
Not sure if its more funny or sad that whenever Alex brings up a story Joe doesn't like, he calls him a liar and looks it up himself. That combined with the constant interruptions about topics they talked about 5 minutes ago would drive me insane.
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The thing about the Black Myth Wukong “Controversy” is that a Journalist pressed the developers about the sexist comments. But the comments from the Developer were poorly mistranslated. Directly translating the Developers words made no sense in English, but they’re continuously pressing the Developers without considering the possibility that there’s a language barrier.
this new Dragon Age game has had Red Flag after Red Flag... ugh.. so your telling me EA that you want $150. for ONE Dice.. a Flask.. a Plastic Sword.. and a Thank You Letter.. plus i still have to Buy the $70. Game.. so you want $220. for a game that looks worst than the last one.. F U..
@@1caboose1 They could also put those cosmetics in the base game. They've already made them, they're already in-game assets. They don't need to pinch every penny from the customer. Just saying.
@user-ds8rj2vc4v you misunderstood. The items in question are real world physical items. As in collectable figures/cards/other things. As in 100% completely extra and unneeded items only made for super fans that want to have replicas from in game things
Not really. It's those who fall for it, like the culture war grifters and those who freak out over stuff like that who are sad. If they don't care about critic reviews, they sure don't prove it or show that they don't care
I think this is the 2nd time where I heard that these 150-200 special editions that don’t include the game. Game developers stop doing this stupid crap please
Remember when having "too much water" in your videogame was the dumbest thing a reviewer could say? It feels like that's so tame compared to the stupid crap reviewers talk about nowadays.
Game journalists in the US (not something I've observed in Europe though) are largely dropouts from "higher" forms of art criticism. Most of them play at best occassionally, at worst never at all. They've infested the gaming industry with politics just to make themselves feel relevant because every other alley had long been shut firmly before them.
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The funny part about "the developer of Wukong doesn't like women" is that all of this comes from an interview by IGN that was badly translated. And places like The Gamer ran with it, even though it was already known that the translation was bad. The translator never got paid either
Yeah but isn't this an alternative myth where the actual Sun Wukong died and an impostor took his place? At any rate, too early to say, let's wait and see . And besides this writer threw some bait to get clicks.
Well is this game based on that or just based on Wukong? Not trying to be rude or anything but just asking because this doesn’t seem to be following the same story as the Book….
the wukong controversy is literally "we've noticed we've written a lot of hit pieces on you, what's up with that huh?" edit: "just because there's one writer on one website" don't insult my intelligence funny rage man. there's whole hard drives of game's journalists being living memes.
Also the fact that game science is backed up by the ccp which is gonna get them hated for obvious reasons. As for the sexist comments, the devs would be smart to not sound like edgy 13 year olds who’ve never touched grass before.
@@steamworkfox4564 I think he's referring to the one later reviewer that was making an issue of the perceived absence of DEI representation in the game. Whilst apparently only one reviewer was having a L take on Wukong in this context, it's still another addition to among a huge raft of others over recent history. Joe does downplay these associated issues and blows smokescreens trying to skirt around them.
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Worst part about the activision story is they put the game on sale and it ended the day before the release of the mod, then the day of the release or right after the sale ended(can’t really remember) they sent the cease and desist letter
Joe, this isnt the first time a company didn't include the game at all in special editions. I forgot which one did this before but you've talked about it at the time.
So let me get this straight: Dragon Age producers put out a trailer that's extremely disappointing to fans; after that they remove the ability to play as multiple characters leading to disappointment; and in this atmosphere of disappointment they reveal an """edition""" of the game that doesn't include the game. Are these people living in reality or are they so removed from it that they mistake it for their corporate dystopia dream?
lack of female representation in video games is what keeps modders in business, you don't see a lot of {Muscle Daddy XXL Tank Replacer (Hairy Edition)} mods because the characters are usually already looking like they just got back from a German Pride Parade
So surprisingly that many podcasts with 1-2 hour video are able to timestamp their own videos but you guys can’t seem to do it at all for videos that are 15-30 min long lol Especially with however is editing the videos, time stamping should be extremely easy to do during the editing process. Stop being lazy. You live a dream job because of your audience. Treat them like they matter.
@@oplawlz I've seen Tons of other sponsors supported channels doing that, the best thing for your sponsored ads is to get as many eyeballs on your vids as possible, neglecting timestamps is a good way to turn people away
I hear you. I think part of the issue here is that they changed it throughout the series. ME had a baseline that we could never play the party mates. Whereas DA has let you. It would be like ME1 allowing you and by the time 3 or Andromeda came around they had removed it as a gameplay mechanic
Guys the only way we stop them from not putting timestamps is if we stop liking the comments of people making the timestamps. This raises their engagement for the algorithm
Gaming Journalists are becoming more & more of a laughing stock. This is so similar to what happened with Hogwarts Legacy. When are these clowns gonna realize that we don't care about their politics. Just review the game. I was already gonna buy Wukong but now I might just buy an extra copy to stick it to those pseudo journalists.
I can hardly wait for KCD 2, the first one has a special place in my heart. I hope they get it all polished by February, I certainly don't want to have to edit ini files to fully use my hardware, that'd be really nice.
Hopefully they improve combat. I had fun until the first combat encounter then immediately refunded on sale too. Somehow its worse than Skyrim and I saw people playing the game literally cheesing it by jumping on boxes and using bows lmao.
When rambling and/or bad takes occur people prefer to jump ahead to the next topic. There's also the possibility they came just to hear about one particular section rather than the whole video.
I don't think is a writter looking for a problem, i remember news related with baby inc and the request to review the game searching for "improves", of course the studio say NO! What a coincidence...
12:00 it's not the first time they did something like this, btw. I believe a couple of years back they did something similar. it's probably more common than we think, just sneakily flying under our radars.
Steelbook without the game, omg. It's inevitable: Bioware is a zombie, the Mass Effect creator is dying, how worse can it get from here for gamers, i do not know. One more victim from DEI/ESG rest in peace.
To think just last week AJ and Alex were talking shit about youtube adding in context information to clear up all the disinformation that's going out. Well I expect that youtube would have to put one on this video for the dragon age disinformation that Alex is pushing. The EA/bioware bundles are in no way being sold as editions like game editions. They are being sold separately in the ea store just like a hoodie or figurine would be sold to a fan of them. Alex is presenting it as ea/bioware being scummy and deceiving the buyer when that is not what's happening at all.
Alex did make it clear it's from EA's website being sold as collectable bunbles without the game and that's one of the Major problem. I guess it's just fun to jump on hate wagons huh bud?
@@SuperSaltyGod you completely missed the issue while trying to argue the issue lol. They aren't being sold as "bundles" for the game at all and that's where Alex is spewing out misinformation due to his hate train. Bud. They are selling them as collectable items only and in no way as a game bundle. That's thie issue here... bud. Like if you bought Zelda sword from a Nintendo store, you are buying the sword because that's what they are selling it as. It's a you issue to then complain that it didn't come with the new game too. Bud
The whole black myth DEI thing is distracting(though understandably) from a 2nd issue: that the company wouldn’t let people with keys say ANYTHING about Chinese video games. In a Chinese game
They're getting the game for free to stream. At that point it's practically a sponsored segment anyways. I think it's so that people don't start bringing up games like Genshin for comparisons. Not wise to stir up that crowd if you've been around there.
They downplay or ignore the actual gripes of gamers and call them alt right who call out the core issues causing nonsense like this while also laughing at how dumb the problem is. That's not calling out the woke stuff
Idk, I for one as a self-identifed male gamer am triggered at the fact that Joe doesn't understand why EA's special editions of Dragon Age don't include a physical or digital copy of the actual game. I can't coherently explain to you WHY, I'm just triggered.
@@Ashadar_Resouley the video creators should put their own timestamps, it's common courtesy at this point especially for longer videos covering multiple topics.
@@KnightLightXL you should know by now joe does not has never and will never do timestamps for these news videos, some of there stream vods have them but thats it
Sorry guys, you have no clue about the Dragon Age fandom. The various packs shown are simply part of the whole series, which includes novels, short stories and comic book series. They don't include any of the games either. The fandom really enjoys these packs of collectibles and artwork. The actual game is important of course, but only a part of the series.
Joe, if you're making a pros and cons list, why cannot you not bring up a con from your perspective? You sound incredibly based when a FEMALE GAMER says FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, she would have liked to see more females in storyline..
A game that’s biggest complaints are not enough liberal propaganda included? Sounds like a game for me to look at. I’m excited to see what things all about now.
What’s with all the tablet kids with pinecone attention spans complaining about timestamps? They’ve been consistent and put a good amount of effort into doing research, editing, and traveling to provide news. These are blessings.
At this point I just hope you guys judge Dragon Age fairly and professionally when it's out, because the amount of vitriol that's going on, when the game does in no way look as bad as you guys make it out to be, is getting ridiculous. The "plastic shit" you're talking about are collectibles for hardcore fans. A ton of games do this for the same ridiculous prizes? Why is this such a scandal all of a sudden? I feel like you guys are almost searching for things to shit on about this game, because it's the popular thing to do apparently? You already spread so much negative misinformation about it, it's just frustrating.
@@SixBladesKojiro It does not look like a mobile game. Just because a game is stylized and not hyper-realistic looking doesn't mean it's bad. Dragon Age has always been stylized. Veilguard has the best looking facial expressions and hair physics BioWare has ever done. And judging by the latest trailer that showed only in-game footage, it's by far the most cinematic BioWare game yet. The reveal trailer is not representative of the game in terms of graphics or tone. It's so tiring how people only care for graphics these days.
@SixBladesKojiro the lengths the alphabet brigade and bots go to defend that slop is amazing. Dragon age is the perfect example of an outside group hijacking a franchise and destroying it out of sheer spite and tribalism . We went from gritty dark fantasy with tactics and strategies to spam X button and occasionally hit special attack button and from grounded and realistic feeling characters to what can only be described as if you let a homophobic 12 year draw what they see lgbt people as but people still defend it
@@DeShawnMcDonald What "outside group"? The core development team of this game has been at BioWare for 15 years. You are only repeating what every other uninformed guy on the internet has been saying for the past 15 years. "The Old Bioware is Dead" is a phrase that has been said for more than 20 years at this point. People said the same thing when Dragon Age Origins came out. They wanted another Baldur's Gate 2. It's a never ending cycle with you guys. Again, the graphics and tone of the first reveal trailer are not representative of the game because EA's marketing made it. What about the latest in-game footage trailer makes you think that DA is not "gritty dark fantasy" anymore? What "tactics and strategies" in Origins are you talking about? The combat was a slog. The game's director personally admitted that. It's the nostalgia speaking with you guys. They've been going for a more action oriented combat since 2011 and yet people are somehow still complaining now 13 years later. If you don't like the action, this franchise hasn't been for you since 2011. How can you tell if these new characters are not "grounded and realistic feeling" when we have no idea who these characters even are yet? You haven't played the game. You haven't talked to them. Most of the writers for these characters were the same as in Origins, DA2 and DAI. I don't know why you're insulting me for objectively looking at the stuff that has been presented and thinking that it looks good. It's a matter of taste. I don't care for any LGBT. Gays and lesbians have been in DA since Origins. The lead writer of Origins was a gay man. It's gonna be like any other DA game, and you can play this and not be bothered by any of it. As a huge fan of the lore, the characters and the worldbuilding, this game is looking very promising.
I go with the 3 strikes rule when it comes to delays. One delay is ok, it shows that they are more concerned with delivering a good product than putting something out to appease hype. Two delays is concerning, it shows that they routinely overestimated their ability to cover the scope of the project and are running into hiccups as a result. Thee delays is when you take whatever your bar of expectations is and firmly plant it on the floor and hope that whatever comes out is at least a good game.
I think Angry AJ is starting to develop Alzheimer’s. You never noticed publishers selling numerous games separately from collector’s editions before??! Oh boy. 🤦🏼♂️
14:54 This has been a thing about a decade already. With quick googling one of the first collector's editions that didn't have game in it was Mirror's edge Catalyst at 2016, also published by EA.
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As an ethinic chinese, the complaints about not having DEI is like people asking why there are no black guys in the LOTR trilogy. These are foundational myths to chinese culture much like beowulf or more recently LOTR. Its absurd to look at it through the lens of modern gender norms and DEI
@@marsillinkow I'll never understand DEI cultural appropriation tactics. They literally are being what they "claim" they are against. I cant even believe their level of self-delusion that they dont even notice it. I loved seeing historical chinese stuff and hope to see more of
it. If our government dont end up in some stupid clash
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@@Bdan2311 stop helping these clowns with timestamps
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@@Bdan2311 time stamp guy. 🫡
IGN mistranslated what wukong developers posted. They literally lied and then other reviewers cited their misleading article and it spread. I’m surprised you aren’t caught up with this cause it’s such a big game
So the "problematic" social media post by devs on Black Myth: Wukong are actually common Chinese slang/phrases that absolutely do not translate to English well (or at all). They are run through a crude translator and then posted online to generate outrage where none should exist. People are trying to launch a smear campaign against this game, and there is absolutely zero justification for it.
Support good devs who don't give in to corporate or political bullying.
And this is the third draft outrage. Earlier attempts to malign the studio were more blatant and western centric in their brain dead outrage pandering.
This was made in communist china....
You guys need to start doing your own timestamps.
They want you to have to watch the entire video instead of just what you actually care to hear about 😬
They money hungry.... all other podcast put timestamps
Well never happen there to lazy
@ryanxp0016 its just better to listen to your fans sometimes im skipping thru this whole thing just to see wukong...its the only thing i care about
They’ll never do it 😂
How dare this 16th century Chinese folktale not be diverse.
@@GodhandPlusOne exactly 🤦🏻♂️ they are trying to rewrite history in their favour…
@@V-95K bro what history? Its a fantasy game 😂
@@TheVertical92look into how Germany censors Hitler in any media and journalists got their newspapers removed due to just regular chill articles.
This is a small example. On one side celebrating the White Rose with a museum and being pro speech and on the other making laws to mess with their history they should accept.
You get called out when you have too much diversity in your game, you get called out when your game doesn’t have enough diversity. Everybody loses
Needs to be equally split
Some black, some trans, some women, some disabled
Me when the game about Chinese mythology is only about Chinese mythology 😱😱😱😱
Me when one of the perquisites for streaming a Chinese game about Chinese mythology being you can’t talk about Chinese video games 🤔
@@gintokiftw5152ah yes lets talk chinese politics while playing a game 😂.
WHY ARE THERE NO BLACK PEOPLE THOUGH??? 😵
Said some jorno for some reason, lolol
@@skeel77730 just said Chinese video games. Don’t know where you’re getting politics from. Though yeah they would almost absolutely not allow that either.
Honestly though, I’d be based and hilarious if a streamer playing it said they supported Taiwan just like, outta the blue.
@@gintokiftw5152 Without comparing this game to Genshin Impact, the reviews will never be accurate and reliable.
Thank the lord, Dark Souls isn't Chinese. So the reviewers can still use that the benchmark comparison for everything.
The Wu Kong controversy is based on a gross mistranslation :p one spread around by many journalists.
There was a translation done by a journalist (I think IGN) that essentially said "I want to get licked til I can't get an erection" which makes Zero sense, but so many journalists ran with this version.
The real version was something like "I do not want to hire people who will brown nose me" despite knowing it's a mistranslation, Journalists are STILL claiming they might be a sexist company.
So the Journalists who mistranslates and lies is mad the Dev they refer to as "possibly sexist" does not want to talk to them.
Can you elaborate and source me to the og
But it's not though? Unless you can source where's it's a mistranslation. Paul Tassi has explicitly shown that the document is real and was sent in English.
@@cyluk358he's not talking about the embargo restrictions bud
There is no controversy it is just a bunch of made up crap by terrible game journalists that have a personal agenda to push 'the message'. But as we all know 'the message' = game death. So glad the devs are not going this route.
@@cyluk358 that's this drama, op is talking about 2 dramas ago which is the source of this drama
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They was upset of a lack female presence in a game with monsters and a monkey man. is that really something to care about….
Imagine they put a black guy as a monkey 😂
But think of the rage bait the grifters are milking out of it
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Are they really grifting when’s it’s a real subject ?
It would be like a game about Amazon warriors and a male journalist got offended cause there was not enough males.
@@Viglin123 and that has happened, hasn't it? White dudes being less frequent in games is one of their very grifts
@@vidmasterK1grifters gonna grift, but criticizing the game for a lack of diversity is just weird and deserves the mocking and derision.
I remember EA pulling this shit with the Mass Effect Andromeda special edition. But in hindsight not having the game included was a bonus.
So, in regards to the Wukong article that Joe mentioned not remembering too well was an old IGN article that, let's charitably say, misinterpreted English translations of messages made in Mandarin from the games devs. Needless to say, these interpretations are provably inaccurate. But being that it was a driver of clicks for IGN, a number of other media outlets published their own takes that were just rewordings of the original article and only cited the original article as a source. BTW, when IGN did their review of the game, they noticeably left out all of their previous accusations of sexism from that article.
IGN also failed to address accusations of racism and sexism from these companies by deliberately targeting Asian males for removal. Dead Rising and Assassin's Creed Shadows is two instances of where they were successful while Black Myth Wukong is where they failed.
They used a Korean person who was not a native Chinese speaker, so while they may understand Mandarin, they didn’t understand the nuanced meaning of the actual translation, since it was a casual-type conversation interview.
But I guess to IGN, Korean = Chinese so that’s good enough!
This is why he needs to Research things before he opens his mouth and makes himself look like an IDIOT!
So what exatly did the devs say?
@@slicer777thorn3 They responded to a picture of a woman's head on a snake body with the equivalent of a "wood screw" meme
As a Black man who appreciates diversity it's always annoying when that's the first thing that comes to mind from other people is diversity. If you put diversity first above everything else your not enjoying/appreciating the IP. Imagine if there was a game based on African or Latin mythology and you hear "where's the representation/Diversity" when it's right there.
It's not our place to feel bad, white people are making these decisions..
For real tokanazing of character and DEI is stupid ! My man
This. And even if EVERYONE is white, they could be from Russia, the UK, France, the US etc. That is DIVERSITY! It's not just color of the skin, and even if it was just that, there are different shades of "white"!
You're not black. You're brown. Unless you're reeeeeeallly black. I'm not black either. I'm burnt sienna. Whiteness doesn't exist. They're peach. Crayola is life.
other people? You mean only from the west, right?
EA is trolling us if they think putting a d20 in the Dragon Age collectors edition somehow makes up for the lack of RPG elements and tactics mode. It's not Baldur's Gate 3 lol
As a wise man named Joe once said: it's just plastic crap.
Surprisingly, not a lot of Dragon Age fans are surprised about this because they've done this before with DA Inquisition.
EA is now a merch company.
@JeyVGaming bought that chest back on release because I was hyped for the new Dragon Age game after enjoying both of the other entries (that's right, I liked DA2) but will be most likely waiting for the new one to show up in the pre-owned store some weeks later. Everything I see and hear about the new game encourages caution.
It's not suppose to make up for the RPG elements or tactics mode. It's suppose to make up for not having the game.
The Wukong controversy is so stupid Sweet Bully Inc tried hard to extort the devs and when it backfired they created a massive lie that backfired hard.
You have zero proof of this, stop being so scared of sweet baby inc, your boogeyman, you’re just a pitiful conspiracy theorist that wants something to blame for how much you hate progressiveness.
Fuck angry joe and fuck youtube and there one minute fucken ads
Disingenuous and slanderous.
Truly great role models of the gaming industry...
You need to be specific and fair, otherwise the DEI supporters will call you out. SBI was rumoured to have extorted Game Science (not the devs) who were going to handle Wukong. The amount in question ($7-8 million) was also not proven. However given SBI's actions in the past (including the CEO's speeches and posts), they DO threaten companies with what will happen if they do not get hired and implement DEI policies.
The posts calling for proof of SBI's extortion and the amount they wanted from Game Science haven't been answered yet. But what is also important is that DENIALS are absent too, both from SBI (e.g. "No we have never approached Game Science about BM: Wukong") and Game Science.
They're responsible for Spider-Man 2, Suicide Squad and Gow Ragnarok. Funny thing is, all those games are worse than their previous titles, take a long guess why.
It's not like I needed ANOTHER reason not to buy a Ubisoft game, but them admitting that it's going to run terribly anyway is another nail in the coffin. I don't think Joe covered it, but when they removed *paid* single player DLC from Far Cry 3, that was the end for me.
"These special editions are perfect, I didn't want to play the game anyway" Peak Alex.
Gollum didn't have enough inclusion
It was under his loin cloth
The black myth wu Kong controversy just sounds dumb because frankly all of these journalists should do is review the game that about it.
Kotaku editors have made it clear, they're far more interested in politics and activism than just reporting facts about interesting games. You might wonder why people who don't want to talk about video games are writing for a publication whose purpose is supposed to be writing articles about video games and those who play them, but we honestly don't know for sure why people who don't want to talk about video games are hired to do so and may never until IGN and all those it now owns collapse because nobody actually uses their sites or reads their articles unless it's to make fun of them.
@@GodhandPlusOne I generally don't unless I'm looking up stuff about a game and end up on one of the useful articles actually about what I want to do. I mainly know about their behaviour because they always kick up a fuss on Twitter and other content creators I watch make fun of them for moaning about people not using their sites or being told by management to do more gaming articles instead of think pieces.
As a female gamer I'm offended by the lack of representation in your comment about an article about a game about an ancient myth. 🎉 Congrats
@@UlshaRS lol :)
Regarding Wukong. A women actually complained there was a lack of female characters and got a site to reduce its score
people who are upset with black myth wu Kong won't even play this game they are the same people who got upset with hogwarts 😂
Because Hogwarts was TOO diverse for them?
@@vidmasterK1
Because of the author .
This generation needs help
@@Viglin123 the author? Oh no there was far more outrage because of the trans character
@@vidmasterK1
Really?
Didn’t notice l just thought the game was awesome
@@Viglin123 never played it, is it truly that engaging
Not sure if its more funny or sad that whenever Alex brings up a story Joe doesn't like, he calls him a liar and looks it up himself. That combined with the constant interruptions about topics they talked about 5 minutes ago would drive me insane.
1:30 start
2:39 Indiana jones game
4:41 delayed terminator game
5:32 kingdom come deliverance 2 delayed
8:42 HTM MW2 mod cease and desist
10:23 ubisoft star wars outlaw requirements
12:02 dragon age: the veilguard requirements and editions
20:18 black myth wukong controversy
The thing about the Black Myth Wukong “Controversy” is that a Journalist pressed the developers about the sexist comments. But the comments from the Developer were poorly mistranslated. Directly translating the Developers words made no sense in English, but they’re continuously pressing the Developers without considering the possibility that there’s a language barrier.
this new Dragon Age game has had Red Flag after Red Flag... ugh.. so your telling me EA that you want $150. for ONE Dice.. a Flask.. a Plastic Sword.. and a Thank You Letter.. plus i still have to Buy the $70. Game.. so you want $220. for a game that looks worst than the last one.. F U..
One thing I do appreciate, is that it doesn't require the EA App at least.
@@xtraxtrathirsty well I mean you don't have to buy the collectors items to be able to buy the game.... you can just buy the game. Just saying.
Just pirate it
@@1caboose1
They could also put those cosmetics in the base game. They've already made them, they're already in-game assets. They don't need to pinch every penny from the customer.
Just saying.
@user-ds8rj2vc4v you misunderstood. The items in question are real world physical items. As in collectable figures/cards/other things. As in 100% completely extra and unneeded items only made for super fans that want to have replicas from in game things
The Black Myth Wu Kong controversy is just sad.
Just review the game, that's literally all the devs asked them to do and journalists can't even do that apparently if you've seen ScreenRant's review.
Yep. World we live in, sadly. Some day the pendulum will swing.
Not really. It's those who fall for it, like the culture war grifters and those who freak out over stuff like that who are sad. If they don't care about critic reviews, they sure don't prove it or show that they don't care
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@@vidmasterK1 So what we should allow morons like from screen rant to continue releasing reviews or other things like that?
I think this is the 2nd time where I heard that these 150-200 special editions that don’t include the game. Game developers stop doing this stupid crap please
Game publishers*
Remember when having "too much water" in your videogame was the dumbest thing a reviewer could say? It feels like that's so tame compared to the stupid crap reviewers talk about nowadays.
Game journalists in the US (not something I've observed in Europe though) are largely dropouts from "higher" forms of art criticism. Most of them play at best occassionally, at worst never at all. They've infested the gaming industry with politics just to make themselves feel relevant because every other alley had long been shut firmly before them.
I really don't see how that's dumb, if the water isn't fun but I traverse, then isn't it a valid complaint?
2:42 indiana jones timed exclusive
4:29 terminator game delayed
5:58 kingdom come deliverance 2 delay
8:48 mw2 mod gets ceise and desist
10:32 star wars outlaws pc requirement
12:06 dragon age veilguard console requirements
13:06 collectors edition of dragon age veilguard has digital code((ooh big fear for phisycal edition people :| ))
20:40 streamer guidelines about just focusing on the game when streaming wukong ((which sounds like a fine idea to me but whatever i guess))
The funny part about "the developer of Wukong doesn't like women" is that all of this comes from an interview by IGN that was badly translated.
And places like The Gamer ran with it, even though it was already known that the translation was bad.
The translator never got paid either
To be fair, the book, Journey to the West, does have multiple female characters and monsters with female attributes.
Finally, someone who can give some context. Thanks!
Yeah but isn't this an alternative myth where the actual Sun Wukong died and an impostor took his place? At any rate, too early to say, let's wait and see . And besides this writer threw some bait to get clicks.
Well is this game based on that or just based on Wukong? Not trying to be rude or anything but just asking because this doesn’t seem to be following the same story as the Book….
So it would be better to add more female characters to beat up?
@@Justin-fm2rj Completely doing away with the female side of the old story clearly shows intended bias
Screen Rant is pretty much just trolls. It's hard for me to believe that they're actually as stupid as they seem to be.
the wukong controversy is literally "we've noticed we've written a lot of hit pieces on you, what's up with that huh?"
edit: "just because there's one writer on one website" don't insult my intelligence funny rage man. there's whole hard drives of game's journalists being living memes.
The controversy is based on a Mistranslation spread around by many journalists. Not just one lol
Also the fact that game science is backed up by the ccp which is gonna get them hated for obvious reasons. As for the sexist comments, the devs would be smart to not sound like edgy 13 year olds who’ve never touched grass before.
@@steamworkfox4564 I think he's referring to the one later reviewer that was making an issue of the perceived absence of DEI representation in the game. Whilst apparently only one reviewer was having a L take on Wukong in this context, it's still another addition to among a huge raft of others over recent history.
Joe does downplay these associated issues and blows smokescreens trying to skirt around them.
[2:39] - Indiana Jones timed exclusive
[4:29] - Gamescom date
[4:40] - Terminator: Survivors delayed
[5:32] - Kingdom come: Deliverence 2 delayed
[8:42] - Modern Warfare 2 mod shuttered by ubisoft
[10:22] - Starwars: Outlaws system requirements
[12:00] - Dragon age: The veilguard System requirements
[13:05] - Collector editions shenanigans
[20:20] - Black myth: Wukong, streamer guidelines "Don't use this game for femenist propaganda or china discussions. thanks, xoxo bbye"
Ngl, im surprised you guys covered the black myth controversy since you skipped over the sweet baby thing
They were so careful about it anyway lol... 23:47 I love how he back pedalled even when he was quoting.
Yeah I never seen them talks about sweet baby and their woke agenda, very sus Joe
Even if they covered it, you guys would still be here whining about it, so what does it even matter?
@@allthatishere Obvious political motivation means Joe can't report the news objectively.
@@allthatisherefax
Worst part about the activision story is they put the game on sale and it ended the day before the release of the mod, then the day of the release or right after the sale ended(can’t really remember) they sent the cease and desist letter
EA did that a few years ago with the Mass Effect Legendary Cache. It came with the N7 Helmet, Steelbook, art and a thank you letter and NO GAME!
Joe, this isnt the first time a company didn't include the game at all in special editions. I forgot which one did this before but you've talked about it at the time.
2:40 minutes of adds, man…
Tbf it’s a 28 min video not 12 min
So let me get this straight: Dragon Age producers put out a trailer that's extremely disappointing to fans; after that they remove the ability to play as multiple characters leading to disappointment; and in this atmosphere of disappointment they reveal an """edition""" of the game that doesn't include the game. Are these people living in reality or are they so removed from it that they mistake it for their corporate dystopia dream?
lack of female representation in video games is what keeps modders in business, you don't see a lot of {Muscle Daddy XXL Tank Replacer (Hairy Edition)} mods because the characters are usually already looking like they just got back from a German Pride Parade
Also how are they gonna stay relevant without the r34? It was the advertising for Overwatch.
I love my billy herrington tank replacer in l4d2
So surprisingly that many podcasts with 1-2 hour video are able to timestamp their own videos but you guys can’t seem to do it at all for videos that are 15-30 min long lol
Especially with however is editing the videos, time stamping should be extremely easy to do during the editing process. Stop being lazy. You live a dream job because of your audience. Treat them like they matter.
Star Wars Acolyte got canceled Joe
Watch his video on it
Just missed acolyte not getting renewed
reject acolyte
embrace monke
You already know that's gonna be a whole separate lil video 😂 edit : spelling
Acoshyte
@blok--head7472 the power of one the power of two the power of only one seasonnnnnnmnnn 🤣
Fuck angry joe and fuck youtube and there one minute fucken ads
Channels with a fraction of the subscribers you guys do, run by one person, managed to put in timestamps, it's honestly crazy you don't do it
They monetize through sponsorships - it would be silly for them to give you an easy way to skip them.
@@oplawlz I've seen Tons of other sponsors supported channels doing that, the best thing for your sponsored ads is to get as many eyeballs on your vids as possible, neglecting timestamps is a good way to turn people away
why are people so obsessed about time stamps?
just another thing for terminally online people to obsess over...@@zfoote2010
Then go and watch those
Devils advocate. I'm not saying the game will be bad or good, but we couldn't be Garus or Wrex or Tali in Mass Effect.
I hear you. I think part of the issue here is that they changed it throughout the series. ME had a baseline that we could never play the party mates. Whereas DA has let you. It would be like ME1 allowing you and by the time 3 or Andromeda came around they had removed it as a gameplay mechanic
1:30 starts
Thank you!
Preciate ya
@@super.somarionPrice yourself now
See original (Translated by Google)
This joke is getting old AF only tards upvote it
Thank you 😘
Current steam reviews over black myth are overwhelmingly positive so that’s a good start
Black Myth Wukong is perfect.
if you dont give a damn about pc performance sure
Guys the only way we stop them from not putting timestamps is if we stop liking the comments of people making the timestamps. This raises their engagement for the algorithm
Gaming Journalists are becoming more & more of a laughing stock. This is so similar to what happened with Hogwarts Legacy. When are these clowns gonna realize that we don't care about their politics. Just review the game. I was already gonna buy Wukong but now I might just buy an extra copy to stick it to those pseudo journalists.
Stop giving EA your money.
"wait for our review"
*Adds 3-4 weeks to possible purchase date*
This dragon age collector edition is not the only one that has done that, there was backlash with another game because it didn’t include the game.
3:55 when
1:22 and
7:02 then
10:12 also
11:11 in addition
13:33 after that
15:24 this happened
22:10 dont miss this
28:06 in conclusion
This gave me a chuckle. Thanks i needed that
If only the timestamps matched the phrases used. The troll would be complete
Wu Kong won't get reviewed, calling it now :/
About the Wukong fake controversy many other game news publications are parroting the same crap ...
I think they forgot quotations around "controversy"
23:43 - Well i guess joe didn't that the IGN article is base on a mistranslation. I thought u guys do your research before making a video.
I can hardly wait for KCD 2, the first one has a special place in my heart. I hope they get it all polished by February, I certainly don't want to have to edit ini files to fully use my hardware, that'd be really nice.
Hopefully they improve combat. I had fun until the first combat encounter then immediately refunded on sale too. Somehow its worse than Skyrim and I saw people playing the game literally cheesing it by jumping on boxes and using bows lmao.
Time Stamp guy. Where are youuuuuu
read the comments
Joe is spot on about the black myth wukong game. Great video.
jesus, why are people so obsessed about time stamps?
When rambling and/or bad takes occur people prefer to jump ahead to the next topic. There's also the possibility they came just to hear about one particular section rather than the whole video.
@@JapaneseanimeguyThere’s always a top comment posted by a rando with timestamps. Why isn’t that good enough?
I don't think is a writter looking for a problem, i remember news related with baby inc and the request to review the game searching for "improves", of course the studio say NO!
What a coincidence...
Anyone else getting sick of timestamp cry babies?
Nah...they just blend in with all the other crybabies.
Yes, very. These sorts of complaints become meme after a while. It's f*cking annoying
Yeah they're pathetic.
@@jakewheeler6014 Time stamp please
It's nice to come from a not so good day for some AJS News!
Is Angry Joe drunk or high during these? His speech is all slurred up almost every news update
Forget the sketchs, forget news, just review games i say
Phil Donahue died.😢
12:00 it's not the first time they did something like this, btw. I believe a couple of years back they did something similar. it's probably more common than we think, just sneakily flying under our radars.
Black Myth: Wukong lacks diversity? I'M BUYING!!
Steelbook without the game, omg. It's inevitable: Bioware is a zombie, the Mass Effect creator is dying, how worse can it get from here for gamers, i do not know. One more victim from DEI/ESG rest in peace.
To think just last week AJ and Alex were talking shit about youtube adding in context information to clear up all the disinformation that's going out.
Well I expect that youtube would have to put one on this video for the dragon age disinformation that Alex is pushing.
The EA/bioware bundles are in no way being sold as editions like game editions. They are being sold separately in the ea store just like a hoodie or figurine would be sold to a fan of them.
Alex is presenting it as ea/bioware being scummy and deceiving the buyer when that is not what's happening at all.
they dont care,they are just on the hate wagon
@marioluis9467 ya they've become very echo chamber like and super cynical over the last few years.
Alex did make it clear it's from EA's website being sold as collectable bunbles without the game and that's one of the Major problem. I guess it's just fun to jump on hate wagons huh bud?
@@SuperSaltyGod you completely missed the issue while trying to argue the issue lol.
They aren't being sold as "bundles" for the game at all and that's where Alex is spewing out misinformation due to his hate train. Bud.
They are selling them as collectable items only and in no way as a game bundle. That's thie issue here... bud.
Like if you bought Zelda sword from a Nintendo store, you are buying the sword because that's what they are selling it as. It's a you issue to then complain that it didn't come with the new game too. Bud
@@SuperSaltyGod the same dude who says he wont play the game because its "teenage drama" and the game isnt even out,its clear they have a bias already
This definitely isn't the first time EA has this with special editions
Wukong at 20:16
Missed opportunity. "It's an EA thing, its what we do"
"Play EA, the game's not in"
Damn too early for time stamp guy
1:36 Alex's face when Joe said he played more Madden 😂
Timestamp man assemble!
😂👌
The whole black myth DEI thing is distracting(though understandably) from a 2nd issue: that the company wouldn’t let people with keys say ANYTHING about Chinese video games. In a Chinese game
They're getting the game for free to stream. At that point it's practically a sponsored segment anyways. I think it's so that people don't start bringing up games like Genshin for comparisons. Not wise to stir up that crowd if you've been around there.
These vids make Mondays more bearable 😤💪
Also don’t forget Concord’s coming out too on the 23rd LMAO
yall were actually brave enough to cover the wukong woke BS. I'm proud.
You call that coverage ?
@@SixBladesKojiro they breezed by it very quickly but put it in the thumbnail. straight trash. I'm still waiting for them to acknowledge sweet baby.
They downplay or ignore the actual gripes of gamers and call them alt right who call out the core issues causing nonsense like this while also laughing at how dumb the problem is. That's not calling out the woke stuff
when will they cover sweet baby? never
Idk, I for one as a self-identifed male gamer am triggered at the fact that Joe doesn't understand why EA's special editions of Dragon Age don't include a physical or digital copy of the actual game. I can't coherently explain to you WHY, I'm just triggered.
timestamps?
the video just came out how are people meant to put timestamps when it just came out a few minutes ago
@@Ashadar_Resouley the video creators should put their own timestamps, it's common courtesy at this point especially for longer videos covering multiple topics.
@@Ashadar_ResouleyBecause angry Joe could
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@@KnightLightXL you should know by now joe does not has never and will never do timestamps for these news videos, some of there stream vods have them but thats it
Sorry guys, you have no clue about the Dragon Age fandom. The various packs shown are simply part of the whole series, which includes novels, short stories and comic book series. They don't include any of the games either. The fandom really enjoys these packs of collectibles and artwork. The actual game is important of course, but only a part of the series.
We are asking you for timestamps joe! Not food stamps! Jesus!!!!
Joe, if you're making a pros and cons list, why cannot you not bring up a con from your perspective? You sound incredibly based when a FEMALE GAMER says FROM HER PERSPECTIVE, she would have liked to see more females in storyline..
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Actually 3rd bots beat ya
Your speed is unmatched🙏🏾
can confirm
If it's a free mod then it's fan art
A game that’s biggest complaints are not enough liberal propaganda included? Sounds like a game for me to look at. I’m excited to see what things all about now.
What’s with all the tablet kids with pinecone attention spans complaining about timestamps? They’ve been consistent and put a good amount of effort into doing research, editing, and traveling to provide news. These are blessings.
At this point I just hope you guys judge Dragon Age fairly and professionally when it's out, because the amount of vitriol that's going on, when the game does in no way look as bad as you guys make it out to be, is getting ridiculous. The "plastic shit" you're talking about are collectibles for hardcore fans. A ton of games do this for the same ridiculous prizes? Why is this such a scandal all of a sudden? I feel like you guys are almost searching for things to shit on about this game, because it's the popular thing to do apparently? You already spread so much negative misinformation about it, it's just frustrating.
It loos like a mobile game. Anyone with eyes can see that.
@@SixBladesKojiro It does not look like a mobile game. Just because a game is stylized and not hyper-realistic looking doesn't mean it's bad. Dragon Age has always been stylized. Veilguard has the best looking facial expressions and hair physics BioWare has ever done. And judging by the latest trailer that showed only in-game footage, it's by far the most cinematic BioWare game yet. The reveal trailer is not representative of the game in terms of graphics or tone. It's so tiring how people only care for graphics these days.
@@redbadger7005 lol
@SixBladesKojiro the lengths the alphabet brigade and bots go to defend that slop is amazing. Dragon age is the perfect example of an outside group hijacking a franchise and destroying it out of sheer spite and tribalism .
We went from gritty dark fantasy with tactics and strategies to spam X button and occasionally hit special attack button and from grounded and realistic feeling characters to what can only be described as if you let a homophobic 12 year draw what they see lgbt people as but people still defend it
@@DeShawnMcDonald What "outside group"? The core development team of this game has been at BioWare for 15 years. You are only repeating what every other uninformed guy on the internet has been saying for the past 15 years. "The Old Bioware is Dead" is a phrase that has been said for more than 20 years at this point. People said the same thing when Dragon Age Origins came out. They wanted another Baldur's Gate 2. It's a never ending cycle with you guys.
Again, the graphics and tone of the first reveal trailer are not representative of the game because EA's marketing made it. What about the latest in-game footage trailer makes you think that DA is not "gritty dark fantasy" anymore? What "tactics and strategies" in Origins are you talking about? The combat was a slog. The game's director personally admitted that. It's the nostalgia speaking with you guys. They've been going for a more action oriented combat since 2011 and yet people are somehow still complaining now 13 years later. If you don't like the action, this franchise hasn't been for you since 2011.
How can you tell if these new characters are not "grounded and realistic feeling" when we have no idea who these characters even are yet? You haven't played the game. You haven't talked to them. Most of the writers for these characters were the same as in Origins, DA2 and DAI. I don't know why you're insulting me for objectively looking at the stuff that has been presented and thinking that it looks good. It's a matter of taste. I don't care for any LGBT. Gays and lesbians have been in DA since Origins. The lead writer of Origins was a gay man. It's gonna be like any other DA game, and you can play this and not be bothered by any of it. As a huge fan of the lore, the characters and the worldbuilding, this game is looking very promising.
(15:00) This is the moment when the AJS crew realized that the game was within their hearts all along.😢
"I'm not upset about something today?!" Exactly!
13:10 Alex kills me 😂😂
I go with the 3 strikes rule when it comes to delays. One delay is ok, it shows that they are more concerned with delivering a good product than putting something out to appease hype. Two delays is concerning, it shows that they routinely overestimated their ability to cover the scope of the project and are running into hiccups as a result. Thee delays is when you take whatever your bar of expectations is and firmly plant it on the floor and hope that whatever comes out is at least a good game.
I'm so happy Black Wukong isn't bowing down.
I think Angry AJ is starting to develop Alzheimer’s. You never noticed publishers selling numerous games separately from collector’s editions before??! Oh boy. 🤦🏼♂️
Several collectors editions from various companies have not included the game. This is a common practice now. Where have you guys been???
14:54 This has been a thing about a decade already.
With quick googling one of the first collector's editions that didn't have game in it was Mirror's edge Catalyst at 2016, also published by EA.