Please let me know your thoughts on the current market conditions for classic trucks and where you think they are heading over the next few years. My hope is up, up, and up!
I think that More and more people will start fixing and driving older vehicles because a new vehicle is not worth the high price that they want for it.
Yeah... fifty thousand is insane for a BRAND NEW truck. For a classic that isn't even smog exempt in my state? Nawr. I snagged my 12 valve for $4,500 before the pandemic... I'm never letting that old rustbucket go! :3
@@jamesgizasson I’m not a dodge fan but those are solid trucks and last forever. Easy to just maintain, I wouldn’t give it up either if I got my hands on one
The ONLY reason any auto prices spiked during 2020/21 was stimulus money. Reality is setting in and values will continue to drop for all but the most perfect trucks. High gas prices also bring prices down. Very few people are buying those trucks to drive more than a couple times a year. Cheap money has destroyed real prices and now people who bought foolishly during the hype are paying the price.
Ah, yes people got $1800 and prices went up 5,000. Only reason? I think for classic cars, which started going up in price prior to the pandemic, the increasing wealth gap of the to quintile of earners played a roll, the cost of new vehicles rising, the pandemic and the desire to own a more mechanically simple vehicle probably also were factors.
I really hope prices on classic vehicles plummet. Very few people my age know how to turn a wrench, and the old timers that own a lot of these things aren't getting any younger. Looking forward to expanding the size of my "herd".
People are tapped out and don't have enough cash for a house, who besides rich people are buying $80k trucks that are 50yrs old? The bank sure isn't giving the average person a loan for that amount, If they are the interest rates will be crazy.
can we go back to when these trucks were sub 5k for a running driving work truck. i blame all of these rich people buying these trucks and turning them into show pieces.
I worked at a classic truck restoration/dealership for nearly a decade. We sold primarily online and there’s what I call a 30yr trend on the popular vehicles. The people who are buying them now are in their 30-40s finally having money to spend and wanting the vehicles they’re fond of that either grandpa or dad had. It’s a nostalgia thing to most . Next up is obs ( crew cabs with 7.3) bringing in big numbers. It’s a simple recipe to see how the market is going however it’s the vehicle’s condition you’re selling that is the most important thing. Once 80% of the “ nice and clean “ trucks being sold are in dire need of mechanical work they decline because people spread the word quickly. It becomes counter productive to rebuild everything if you’re trying to make money. Only highly sought after cars especially “ muscle “ cars will retain value far longer. But those are what I call the 40 year rule. They were the most modified and beat up ones so they dwindled in numbers and harder to get in good shape so that’s the price increase reason. There are some exceptions to 90s camaros but the 40 year old 3rd Gens are finally getting valuable just like 80s mustang. Fellas If you’re going to flip, flip good ones and not dolled up rust buckets. That’s ruining the car and truck scene more than anything. Sell something you would want to buy and for the love of god don’t try selling your stripped vehicle on FB for triple the value saying “ I know what these bring in” .
Canadian here. I just sold my 1979 SC 4x4 460cu truck for $20,000. Un-restored but was in super nice condition. Guy bought it in less than 24h. I was very happy.
I have a 76 f250 460 ranger super cab long box 2wd that I paid 1500 CAD for then drove home just over 9 hours. I installed a cam and all the bolt ons and swapped in a zf5. It's been my daily driver for 4 years now. I've only got about 6 or 7 grand CAD into it now and still tests 147/148 on all cylinders. My kids love it. I'll have that truck until gas engines are banned!
@@DentsideDepot I pulled mine out of an 88 f450 logging truck with 380k on it. Didn't rebuild it just threw it in my truck and now it's got around 450+ lol
bought a 74 f-250 from a junk yard in 85, put another engine in it, clutch.brakes, used it for years as a welding rig,3 on the tree, factory air, power brakes, power steering,390 has a reading utility body, was bought new by Westinghouse for a service truck. still got it, still runs, don't use it much though, sentimental value
These prices were a surprise. The last 79 xlt ranger i bought 2009 was $1500 no rust 4x4 rebuild c6 and 351m to 400 4in lift and 33 12.50r15 on it. The most i ever payed was 4k on a 80 in 1991
@@DentsideDepot i know. And to be fair I in a rule part of fl. So that probably effects price somewhat. There's still a lot of the classic trucks used as daily drivers still. I am actually looking around for a good one to use a a daily myself. I really don't like new trucks. The 07 f150 5.4 was the last new one I had. And they bought it back under the lemon law. The first year I had it the dealership shop had it 185 days. It left me stranded more than anything else I ever owned. And I have not had new since then. And will never consider a ford that newer than the square front. Really prefer the early bullnose and older. You could still get the 351m/ 400 up to 82 .
You must be an expert in repairing rusted out cab mounts. Every 70s Ford Truck I owned had rusted cab mounts and steering column problems because of it. Great video BTW
Covid drove those crazy prices, new truck inventories dried up and dealerships followed by doubling prices of new trucks they still had on their lots. Buyers went to the used truck market including vintage trucks for value and investment. But now prices are coming down, hopefully close to pre-covid levels Some people bought these vintage trucks with no skills or knowledge of how to maintain them thinking they would someday cash in. I just bought a none restored all original 74 F250 Ranger Supercab, 390, 4 barrel, auto 80,000 miles (maybe true mileage according to records ) good paint and good overall condition, not really used in decades but maintained. The owner /investor, after years of paying a shop a lot of money to keep it in top mechanical shape for just the occasional drive. Decided to sale his vintage truck having no mechanical skills or knowledge himself and feeling like it was a liability instead of a asset. I was lucky and showed up at the right time and was able to buy it for 3,000 dollars. Not a 4x4 but can’t complain.
So true, Model A, then cars from the 40's, a generation back, anything from '55-'56'-57 drew big bucks. I few years back late 60's early 70's were commanding insane prices. As the generation that just had to get what they missed or had as a teenager die off, the prices plummet. You couldn't give my 30 year old son a 55 chevy.
Good. It's bad enough that new trucks are selling for the price of a luxury sports car, but selling old trucks, even restored, for similar prices was insane IMO. I'm glad to see prices going back down to reasonable and affordable levels. Trucks should be sold at prices that people who drive them can afford, not collector prices.
I love the fact that these are coming back down to real-world pricing. There is nothing that makes these trucks worth the over inflated prices they were / are asking. Just because someone invested their time and equity doesn't make it worth more. Look at the street rod maker from the last 30 years, you don't get into the hobby. Spend all your money and time and expect to make a huge profit. These drive like old trucks, poor mileage, and underpowered, most have shabby at best bodywork . Hey, I to own a few nice old trucks, Ford and Chevy. I would love to cash in on the market, too. But I enjoy them. Great info here. I hope someone watching uses the information. But imo, people, I think, lose perspective on just what 50.000 dollars look like.
YOU are so right,,there was a day back in the 80s when you could stick 10,000 in parts alone,work on it a year AND NEVER GET YOUR PARTS MONEY BACK!....it was a labor of love and the thrill of doing it yourself WAS WHAT YOU GOT !Then l heard of a guy in rich Overkland Park, kansas,in about 2010,WHO HIRED A FORD DEALER TO PAINT A CAR,AT great cost..l didnt hear how much,and actually thought he could make money on one....just seemed so crazy....
I’m 60 years old and I’m amazed at the prices of old trucks in general today Man the trucks I had and sold in my past and the deals I could have gotten years ago
@@DentsideDepot If someone pays 40k for a paint job they are getting taken. I can't even think how you could even have 2k in materials in painting a pickup. The last triaxle dump I did here was somewhere like 1000 in materials and I paid the painter 500 for spraying it.
@@joecummings1260 Thats a low quality dump truck paint job. No offense, but clearly you are not well informed on what high quality show grade paint costs in materials and how many hours in labor it takes to prep out a truck and then wet sand. Of course you can paint a truck cheap, but then its just a cheap truck.
@@DentsideDepot$2k materials correct, if you buy yourself a bounce house and have a good gun (and some practice) you can save serious money on paint. I wouldn't want a show quality job on a dd anyway
Automotice paint is not the same as oil enamel paint. You could very easily spend more than $2000 on paint, primer clear, sandpaper, masking material, solvent etc. People dont work for free and why should they. They have a lot of costs in their business too. @@joecummings1260
Man I'm really glad I got my 79 F250 with a factory 460 for free. I've commented on one of your videos before I'm 14 and restoring my first truck to be my daily in a couple years. Really enjoy the videos. I was wondering if you could do a video on the different badges on these trucks. Mine's got 2 holes next to the 250 badge and it looks like it could have been one but not sure. There's nothing on the internet for this.
Or a 250 camper special or a trailer special or a lariat. Look up the distance of the holes and if even or of set the trailer special is offset . The other two are different length and there was some bigger dealers that had there name in cast metal and actually drilled holes in new trucks and cars . Side note when these trucks were sold new if you were a truck buyer you had to go to the dealership used car dealer and then go to the back of the used car lot to look at the new trucks and then very very few were sold just to ride in the sales department always ask what kind of business or work you planned to do with the truck regardless of what size truck you bought
had my 75 ford f250 4x4 highboy since 89 been a prodject since. 159.550 on odometer. 5000 on 30 over 360fe engine.all metal swap. never ever failed me. these are very hard to part with. cuz there so dependable if ya need a stud in the stable these are the ones.
A stationwagen is now also "vintage". And you can haul things dry, warm and things are less easy to steal. Truck market has become too crazy, pricing wise. It starts to kill itself.
@@DentsideDepotan El Camino with a top! Extended cab, Four Doors! Wonder if you could sucker someone in...but I'd be OK with a 427 in a 69 Chevy wagon
@@shanechostetler9997 not sure if you could still find about a 2013 VW Jetta Sport Wagon with a 2.5, but there's your base model $130K Audi in real people terms. I'd love to have one, or a similar Subaru Outback
I've seen this across multiple classic car groups. Individuals will list a classic for an outrageous amount, get laughed at, then they post old info from 2021, 2022 that they believe justifies their price. All I ever tell them is, "it's not 2022 bud... It's 2024 now..."
You gotta pay to play. If you really want it, you'll pay for it. I have two fully restored, n beefed up 72's with all the paperwork showing the costs of high quality parts, not including my labor. And let me tell you, the price is still high without adding my labor. Yes it's 2024, but just because our dollar doesn't have the value it used to have doesn't mean you should pay less. On the contrary, for example, If you bought a car in 1960 for $1000 bucks, that $1000 is now probably $10,000 in today's dollars. So, wake the fuck up Mister, nobody is gonna let go of a totally restored Classic just because it's 2024. And the reason older Classics are getting expensive is because now there are less of them n people are keeping them longer. My neighbor is selling a 77 Camaro in pretty decent shape for 10k, n the price to me is actually reasonable. For one in super good condition n clean inside and out, expect to pay 3 to 4 times as much. Look at Gas Monkey, or Hollywood Customs, they sell for 50k n higher, 70-80k, n people are buying them.
truth is, some guys that have nothing better to do and money to waste started this craze. it actually ruined what was a good thing for the average working guy that just needed a cheap truck. we had a market where reasonably priced trucks that were built to last and had tons of stock and aftermarket, CHEAP, parts available an average guy could maintain and fix himself. now they cant touch them. just a working guys observation. nothing personal.
Old trucks used to be cool because they were affordable. You have to be insane to pay new truck money for a old truck that can’t hang with the new trucks in any category, towing, hauling, comfort etc etc
I bought a 79 F150 4x4 with a 300 strait 6 10 years ago.. It took me 2 years of looking to find a rust free one. I got it from rust free classics for $7,000. It did have some engine problems but still worth it.
❤ Like your chanel my mom had black 79 Ford 150 with short bed when I was in high school brings back alot good memories hard to find these days I own a 89 GMC short bed sierra now love old trucks 😊
Classic head and shoulders price chart top on that Manheim Index, indicating prices will continue to go down at least to 165 before needing another analysis to see if it goes up or more down from there.
Good catch on the head and shoulders pattern, I didn't catch that at first. I was looking at the trend line steady and upwards before the spike it's likely the correction will continue at least down to that trend line. More troubling, that trend line was established when interest rates were zero, and I doubt we'll go back to zero rates, so I would expect it to dip considerably below that trend line. On the other hand, with the rise in inflation and material cost being higher I could see that giving the truck Market a bit of support after it falls further. But I think we can definitely Bet On It falling further.
My buddy bought that baby blue 77 crew cab the body work and panel gaps are ruff. Engine ran like crap because it had the wrong length push rods in it (to short), rocker arms rattled like crazy
I think the smart money is in '80-'97 trucks and Broncos, mainly HD trucks with manuals mainly ZF5s, 2 or 4wd, reg cab on up, 300, 351w, 460 or 7.3. If its priced right it can at least be parts and if its well optioned and clean its not going to cost $20k unless its a ccsb 4x4 7.3psd ZF5.
You are an expert if you say so! Collectibles are a soft market, always have been, guns, glassware, semiprecious gemstone collections, tools, you name it, it all has one thing in common, their value in a sale scenario is what someone is willing to pay. That willingness to pay floats up and down due to a variety of factors. One thing a guy has to be careful of is to not mix an investment collectors mentality with one of an enthusiast. The collector watches the $ inputs and carefully assesses the markets where the enthusiast gets all steamed up over a potential collectible and often makes decisions to buy and invest money in a vehicle that is not warranted, ya know the I like it so much situation where we let the boy in us make decisions while we are fooling ourselves by thinking it is a good investment. It can be a fine line. With autos the markets have always expanded and contracted and it is kind of odd since the older they get the more scarce they become but generally they do hold a decent value. I marvel at other YT channels where guys spend several thousand dollars for rusted out, totally wasted pieces of scrap metal and then shriek at what a find they made??! In those cases it is viewed as expense to produce the channel output, the prices paid are ridiculous and should not be a measure of the market for fair condition or better old trucks that people want to restore and enjoy. Take heart, the market is always flowing and ebbing as it is now, you only take a loss when you sell, it takes time and patience to get your price. A down market actually has a silver side for guys like you, it is opportunity to buy. I think it is a mistake to expect huge profits as if you are a flip specialist, the market will always be there in some form but scale down expectations for returns on investment. For real money invest in pork bellys and soybeans.
Used car and truck values are just a roller coaster depending on the economy and the amount of extra money people have lying around. The market in my area for my 2004 with the mods I have done is 40-50k. It's stupid high, blue book comes in around 3-5k lmao.
I drive/maintain a 65 F100. Been doing so since 12/23/82. The paint on it is now a lot of rust. I ran 240's for 39 yrs. The last one had 169,000 miles. Was tired. Had it taken out. Now a 300 is in it. I keep it in top mechanical shape. Looks don't affect performance. I keep it b/c there are no metriQ bolts on it...the biggest reason is it is paid for and is not plastic and can be fixed without a whole lot of trouble.
Bought a fridge cab for 200 bucks, rust free, had it running in three days, 223 six 20 mpg, drive it daily, glad I like what others don't. Smogged out trucks don't interest me, no computers, and not scared to drive and use it for what it's for.
I agree. I have an 84 c10 my wife inherited from grandfather. Told her no use letting it sit in country and rot away. Pulled it back with my jeep gladiator and been restoring it. Thing will run forever and paid for. Along with my 71 delta 88 convertible plus we work from home
A bit newer but those compacts are holding value. Maybe because a real one hasn’t been made in the US since the 2012 Ranger, Colorado in 2011, and 2004 for the Tacoma. Anything that doesn’t offer a 6’ bed or longer is not a compact truck in my book so no, the Maverick doesn’t count.
I love the fact that you have so much love for Dentside Fords, because they are the greatest trucks ever made, and they also own my heart. My question to you is why don't you take the time to make one totally sweet?
I am doing that right now with the Cummins swap X36. I do not have any employees here and all the work is done by me, so one truck takes about 10 months to get done. Also, I have zero appreciation for perfect paint, I prefer patina trucks.
I know due to inflation prices are stupid, but, yeah, the examples you listed--WGAF. These trucks are not rare-- they might be uncommon these days, but they are common as pond water otherwise. Not to mention what a scam the major auctions have ran on prices. Personally, I'd like to see the market on these crash. Unfortunately, that won't happen until the entire financial market crashes.
Well, my truck will never be worth much because it had a hard life on a farm in central Indiana. 😅 But I will proudly drive it around when it is roadworthy. 1976 f250, 390 4V 4 speed regular cab longbed. Bali Blue!
Great video I agree 100 percent the market is on the way down most people are holding on to their money unless it’s a fair deal I was at a car show today the prices I noticed were down but people thinking Covid pricing they were worth it but not cash money worth it and I had cash money lol
Think about what you paid for yours, what is was worth two years ago and then subtract 5k from it and you have today's value. I think that is where it is at. But dont sell it Chris!!!!
When the market is at prices higher than working people can pay cash for it’s probably peaked. I’d imagine loans aren’t the easiest thing to get for trucks at or nearing 50 years old and I’d think most working folk wouldn’t take a note on something that probably is going to require more work and money too. I used to find reasonably priced nos dent side parts on eBay but in the last decade they’ve gone out of site. You’d need to be living with your parents and have a six figure job to play with these trucks nowadays. There’s still affordable junkers out there, but most young folks today couldn’t afford to really do a nice restoration. So much aftermarket parts aren’t very good quality, OEM is hard to find and pricey, and these are getting sparse in junk yards, with not much left that’s decent to use.
Classic car market has always been volitile, old cars are optional for most people. I live in Kaliunicornia so smog laws complicate the market even more. Have a rusty '67 bumpside as a project & it is fun but not neccessary. If prices drop it gives me hope I might get an early 70's 4X4 someday, without having to build it myself.
They say CA is the classic car capital of the world, but as you stated its one of the worse places to be. All the nonsense going on out there is what is killing this country. Move to Texas!
@@DentsideDepot CA does have its issues for sure but it is truly classic car heaven. I've lived in 5 states and I never saw the number of classics I saw living in southern California. There is no smog inspection for classic cars built before 1975. My husband and I were pretty involved in the classic car community and nobody gets their car inspected for smog.
I'm not sure what you are referring to because there is no smog inspection for cars older than 1975. And even for cars built after 1975, there are exceptions for cars that only see car shows or Sunday drives. I never heard of anyone in the classic car community getting their car smog inspected. The CA government sucks for sure, but there is no place that has the classic car community that CA has. Not even Florida. I miss CA just for the classics.
I am building a 1973 F250 4x4 highboy and I am putting a newly built 390 fe engine in it and going through it and putting in a brand new 78-79 power steering box I bought the frame kit for making it work I had to go get it and haul it back home 275 miles I love the original colors it has the lite blue paint on the bottom and the dark bahama blue on the top of the hood and body except for the top of the cab I am going to repaint it but I have to cut out rust spots over the beds fenders and I’ve bought panels for them and it’s has to have part of t passenger floor pan replace for rust but I have already purchased it also but the rest of the truck is pretty solid
I’ve been noticing prices coming down on market place. Sorry it’s hurting your investments but this is a good thing. People should be able to afford cool classics that they can work on and that don’t have cell phones built into them.
Thanks for the advice. Im in the market for a truck to actually drive and use, kids going to start driving next year, so Ill wait and keep my eye out for a good buy.
I'm sad to say the car generation is going away! Been in the restoration industry for 20 years younger people are not coming in and everything has gotten TOO expensive to jump in. We are looking at a big EV push younger generations have been convinced we have to go green ! They also carry much more debt than the older crowd and many don't think than can ever afford a home. Watch for the evidence the hobby is n decline car magazines are going out of print car shows are down in attendance, car TV shows are going away!!!
Holy moly those prices are super high. I bought my 1977 F-250 crew cab 2x4 with 460 for $900 in 2000 and sold it for about the same price in 2010. Bought my 1986 F-250 diesel 4x4 for $700 in 2006. Bought another 1985 in 2015 for $600. Sold 1978 Bronco in 2010 for $700.
Oh man that 79' F350 xtra cab is a beauty! I do love my 79' F250 w/ swapped 429 and C6 combo. I've had it for about 15yrs now. Bought it for $3500, then. No interest in selling it. From what I am seeing vehicle markets across the board are in decline right now. I think it is mostly larger external market factors and is just part of the overall market cycle. We shall see where things go from here in the near future.
I have a 79 70k mile 2wd F250 flatbed 351M 4 speed that I can't manage to sell for $4k right now on FB. Nice patina, perfect brakes, new clutch, drives great. I can afford to park it rather than let it go cheaper. It would have already sold it this was 2022. The market really is coming down.
Building/restoring is an expensive proposition. Those nice builds in the middle of the video are closer to $100,000 than $50,000 to "complete" (you're never really done). If you can buy them now for those 50-65k prices it's a good deal. I would hate to have to sell mine but it's good to see they are still worth something:)
I'm shocked by the prices people are paying for restoration services now. Given how simple these trucks are, and how plentiful parts supply for them is , paying over 30-40k for one that is "mint" or a 10 footer to me seems silly. That said i was looking for a good rust free single cab 4x4 about 7 years ago. They were resonable at the time in the 8-10 k, not sure what they spiked out at. But now they are around 20k in my part of the country, which I find absurd.
@rexradar9297 I hear ya!! I'm north of the boarder. A truck that is in restorable condition goes for about 20k (15k us) give or take. A frickin parts truck is 5k these days. 400 to 500 horse crate engine between 20 and 30k by the time you have it installed (depends how silly you want to get replacing bits and pieces. Old pieces look like crap beside new stuff no matter how much elbow grease you put in) trans and transfer case are another variable but still costly just to have reconditioned, paint + body varies wildly but expect at least 10k, interior is relatively inexpensive but still going to cost a few bucks, all the misc..brakes, bearings bushings, nuts, bolts, exhaust, tools the list goes on and on can add up to thousands. If your doing the work yourself as a hobby project expect it to take two years. Pay a shop and your looking at 100$ an hour (give or take) up here. 100k can creep up on ya real fast :)
$50-65k a good deal? Most households don’t have that in the bank at retirement. I guess for wealthy folks it’s not much money, but I’d think that’s the exception not the norm.
If you’re heavily invested into these old trucks right now 😬I used to buy and sell classics. Never try to restore when prices are stupid high. Turn, turn, turn. Never hold. 80k for an old truck? That’s rich money that don’t think nor care. Sooner or later you will be holding something you can’t get rid of. My motto is just common sense, when prices get too high/stupid/ridiculous, buy only if it’s sold already. Take the money from stupid bandwagon hoppers and move on. Nobody with a brain ever thinks prices like these will stay that high. 😂
I've been collecting old Ford trucks since I got my first one at the age of 15. My father and grandfather only owned Ford trucks. It crazy that people pay these prices for old trucks. As much as I love them, they are nothing special, just simple old trucks. I guess it's time to start selling my collection as I am running out of space. Hopefully, prices will continue to drop so that more people can afford one. Especially the younger kids.
I don't know where you live, but here you can buy similar truck, no matter the brand, for about half that price. Ford from that area are often rusted out, but you can easily find a GMC or dodge that's good enough. I wouldn't pay this much for something I use for my trailer and wood. I can haul my stuff in my daily, it's an Audi RS6 Avant 2018. It's enough and my stuff is dry. Almost twice as powerful as a truck from the 70s.
@7:37 it actually is a significant difference when you factor in inflation… $26k in 2024 is $22,344 in 2021, so this individual basically lost 6k in order to own that truck for three years. Inflation has gone bonkers in the last 3.5 years and it’s pretty obvious why.
No matter what vehicle is restored the same old argument applies. What can it be bought for before restoration, how much is it worth after restoration and is there a 30k spread between those numbers to make the resto worth it. If other people are asking 20k or more for their restorations(money pits), can I restore a similar vehicle for 12k, typically, the answer is yes, so its very difficult for an average vehicle to be sold for more than 15k. Anyone can restore one themselves. Jay leno said, once "if you are restoring vehicles and making money, you must be doing something wrong"
Curious if the price drop from 2021 to 2024 is not as pronounced for 73-75 trucks vs. 76-79. Many California buyers (like me) won’t buy a 76-79 due to smog requirements. For example, I would have bid that white explorer that dropped from 14K to 7K on BAT, if it had been a 75.
That certainly could play a part in it. I cant imagine having to deal with all that nonsense. here in PA its 109$ for a permanent registration and plate and you never need to pay anything ever again or get it inspected. I would go bankrupt if I lived in CA.
I can neither confirm nor deny if I have Montana plates on 2 of my OBS’s:) $50 for forever tags is hard to pass up. But, I don’t want to have too many CA trucks with MT plates at my house so my 79 Ranger Supercab Shortbed 302 4spd (now roller 5.0 & TKO 5spd) has been on non opp for two years. Do I occasionally put my 75 Supercab plates on it to go for a spin? Not that you can prove! Muddling through my Ford truck addiction here in So Cal. Love your stuff man, Cheers!
Mine is a 1973 F350 super camper special, its been upgraded to a full hiboy(divorced transfer case) and the bottom is all redone. It has some bodywork and paint to be done, I was wondering if it was worth getting all that work done. I love my truck.
@ I paid up for mine Total rust pile Wish I would’ve spent more The odd deal comes up In the 90s they were beaters I drove them lol Money also doesn’t buy what it uses to
spot on vid , i have been eyeing a 4 door just like the blue cover picture one. but it has a 300 six. 7 out of 10 exterior and 6 out of 10 interior. been struggling to come up with an offer price.
I had a "76 F250 I bought brand new in that baby blue color. I paid $5500 new with 4wd manual 5 speed with the creeper gear 351 cu.in. engine. I wish I would have kept it but sold it when it got too rusted.
@@Mindokwin My father bought a red ‘77 F250 4x4 Crewcab 351 4 speed in the fall of ‘76. I remember driving home from the dealer with him in it the day it was new. Funny how I never saw one of these baby blue trucks in the 70’s that I can recall.
@@squangan I don't think it was a popular color. Not manly I guess lol. I saw one other in my town and talked to the owner who was a woman got it as part of her divorce settlement,
I've been saying this for a few years. The only reason the classic truck market got so high is because the US Federal Reserve's reckless currency manipulation. It was a trap for the middle class and it worked! Cheap credit made prices skyrocket and the hangover phase of this unbacked currency printing is making them drop. The classic truck bubble has burst, the economy is about to crash like never before. Inflation will turn to stagflation and then to hyperinflation! These trucks will be much cheaper in the near future but the average person won't have the money to buy them because the extreme cost of food, shelter and fuel. This is the scenario if Trump wins, if Kamala wins its game over, people will be eating bugs ( that's not a joke).
Been seeing the market soften on good trucks. Really great builds seem to be pulling top dollar, BUT it better be a pretty special truck! BaT has had a ton of no sales in the last few months as I watch dent-sides as well as square body chevys.
I bought in close to the peak unfortunately I needed a work truck no regrets with my purchase bummer to see better quality trucks at lower Prices now tho great video idea keep the content rolling
My dreams of owning a 97 F350 CCLB 4x4 PSD were all but crushed when the market went crazy in 2019.5 till a year ago. I hope values go down on those trucks. Here’s to hoping
I picked up a 96 extended cab long bed 4x4 PSD with 177,000 miles all stock for 9500. Body is a little rough but the interior and mechanical is pristine.
Looking at a '78 Supercab XLT. Rust free west Texas truck but doesn't run. Molding's missing and small dents over most of the body... asking $4500.00. Good price?
If these old Ford trucks are structurally solid, you can keep them running indefinitely, for very little money. People will soon realize this. ( New truck, $80,000 ) ( Used truck $8,000 ) 80's Fords are still selling for very low prices. However, it is likely that the government will outlaw old vehicles, like California did.
every video similar to this makes me appreciate my 69 f250 more. i got the poor girl for a steal and i plan on taking care of her until i pass, hopefully another 60 years minimum.
Great video. Explains why my 1997 F150 did not move over the summer listed at $11.500. You pegged the market reality indicating a 30% drop in classic / late models. the 97 is going into storage on Saturday let's hope it does not drop another 30% Spring / Summer of 2025!
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Please let me know your thoughts on the current market conditions for classic trucks and where you think they are heading over the next few years. My hope is up, up, and up!
Kids coming up aren’t gonna get into these like the older boomers, that’s what it takes to continue the market. Just what I see…..
I think that More and more people will start fixing and driving older vehicles because a new vehicle is not worth the high price that they want for it.
@@tanner882you never know bro
@tanner882 good so that way they can lower the prices
I hope the price drop like bad habits so they are not expensive!
That 8k-15k price was affordable, this 50-90k price for trucks is insane I don’t care if it’s a brand new one or a classic
Yeah... fifty thousand is insane for a BRAND NEW truck. For a classic that isn't even smog exempt in my state? Nawr. I snagged my 12 valve for $4,500 before the pandemic... I'm never letting that old rustbucket go! :3
@@jamesgizasson I’m not a dodge fan but those are solid trucks and last forever. Easy to just maintain, I wouldn’t give it up either if I got my hands on one
@@ET74019 Agreed! I make fun of Dodge all the time, but it has been a great truck. :)
@@jamesgizasson I know someone that had a 98 made it to 697k when they sold it. I’d be curious what it had now
@@jamesgizasson always said I’d get a 12v or a 7.3 if I could ever find them decently priced. They are like gold in Texas😂 high prices
I'm glad. These trucks aren't stocks, they are old vehicles. Should be bought, worked on and driven
I agree.
They suffer from age related problems
@MrKongatthegates so are you
The ONLY reason any auto prices spiked during 2020/21 was stimulus money. Reality is setting in and values will continue to drop for all but the most perfect trucks. High gas prices also bring prices down. Very few people are buying those trucks to drive more than a couple times a year. Cheap money has destroyed real prices and now people who bought foolishly during the hype are paying the price.
yup have to agree that played a huge role
Thank Sleepy Joe Biden for that.
Oh yes, if it weren't for that $1200 from Biden, I wouldn't have been able to buy that $25,000 truck
@tabbott429 Thanks to Covid caused by the dictator Trumpstapo everything went up!
Ah, yes people got $1800 and prices went up 5,000. Only reason? I think for classic cars, which started going up in price prior to the pandemic, the increasing wealth gap of the to quintile of earners played a roll, the cost of new vehicles rising, the pandemic and the desire to own a more mechanically simple vehicle probably also were factors.
I really hope prices on classic vehicles plummet. Very few people my age know how to turn a wrench, and the old timers that own a lot of these things aren't getting any younger. Looking forward to expanding the size of my "herd".
My 10yr old is also now an expert on 70s and 80s Trucks. Thanks for the content.
Appreciate you watching!
People are tapped out and don't have enough cash for a house, who besides rich people are buying $80k trucks that are 50yrs old? The bank sure isn't giving the average person a loan for that amount, If they are the interest rates will be crazy.
It is a luxury item for sure, but that has always been the case. The average person cannot afford to buy a premium classic 4x4 truck.
@@DentsideDepot that will be coming back to reality, the current prices are unsustainable.
Rich people may buy them as an investment.
@AZFarmFun-hp1cu if they earned being rich they'll know that's not a good investment
can we go back to when these trucks were sub 5k for a running driving work truck. i blame all of these rich people buying these trucks and turning them into show pieces.
The huge price jump was from dummy Obama cash for clunkers. All classic cars went up because the inventory was melted.
@@aaronreeder5753 great point. I agree, lots of good older vehicles were destroyed.
I worked at a classic truck restoration/dealership for nearly a decade. We sold primarily online and there’s what I call a 30yr trend on the popular vehicles. The people who are buying them now are in their 30-40s finally having money to spend and wanting the vehicles they’re fond of that either grandpa or dad had. It’s a nostalgia thing to most . Next up is obs ( crew cabs with 7.3) bringing in big numbers. It’s a simple recipe to see how the market is going however it’s the vehicle’s condition you’re selling that is the most important thing. Once 80% of the “ nice and clean “ trucks being sold are in dire need of mechanical work they decline because people spread the word quickly. It becomes counter productive to rebuild everything if you’re trying to make money. Only highly sought after cars especially “ muscle “ cars will retain value far longer. But those are what I call the 40 year rule. They were the most modified and beat up ones so they dwindled in numbers and harder to get in good shape so that’s the price increase reason. There are some exceptions to 90s camaros but the 40 year old 3rd Gens are finally getting valuable just like 80s mustang. Fellas If you’re going to flip, flip good ones and not dolled up rust buckets. That’s ruining the car and truck scene more than anything. Sell something you would want to buy and for the love of god don’t try selling your stripped vehicle on FB for triple the value saying “ I know what these bring in” .
All the bolts are in the box Lol
LMAO this is literally me, early 30s and finally have a job so I can work on my grandpas old truck thats been sitting for years.
@@WeirdoFoo at least with that one you know what you got. Versus the story someone tells you to sell their junkyard quality crap
Canadian here. I just sold my 1979 SC 4x4 460cu truck for $20,000. Un-restored but was in super nice condition. Guy bought it in less than 24h. I was very happy.
I have a 76 f250 460 ranger super cab long box 2wd that I paid 1500 CAD for then drove home just over 9 hours. I installed a cam and all the bolt ons and swapped in a zf5. It's been my daily driver for 4 years now. I've only got about 6 or 7 grand CAD into it now and still tests 147/148 on all cylinders. My kids love it. I'll have that truck until gas engines are banned!
Will be dong a zf5 on my next build, its a great trans.
@@DentsideDepot I pulled mine out of an 88 f450 logging truck with 380k on it. Didn't rebuild it just threw it in my truck and now it's got around 450+ lol
bought a 74 f-250 from a junk yard in 85, put another engine in it, clutch.brakes, used it for years as a welding rig,3 on the tree, factory air, power brakes, power steering,390 has a reading utility body, was bought new by Westinghouse for a service truck. still got it, still runs, don't use it much though, sentimental value
Yesterday an 80's K5 Chevy Blazer restomod sold for almost 400k at Barrett Jackson. Blew my mind
These prices were a surprise. The last 79 xlt ranger i bought 2009 was $1500 no rust 4x4 rebuild c6 and 351m to 400 4in lift and 33 12.50r15 on it.
The most i ever payed was 4k on a 80 in 1991
2009 was a lifetime ago. Also remember 2009 was the single worse period in history for used car values.
@@DentsideDepot no it wasn't. I not that dammed old. I was retired in 09. And my youngest was a teen.
I am not that old dammit. Lol
@@tbjtbj4786 haha, well I meant from a classic truck value stand point lol.
@@DentsideDepot i know. And to be fair I in a rule part of fl. So that probably effects price somewhat.
There's still a lot of the classic trucks used as daily drivers still.
I am actually looking around for a good one to use a a daily myself.
I really don't like new trucks. The 07 f150 5.4 was the last new one I had.
And they bought it back under the lemon law.
The first year I had it the dealership shop had it 185 days. It left me stranded more than anything else I ever owned.
And I have not had new since then.
And will never consider a ford that newer than the square front. Really prefer the early bullnose and older.
You could still get the 351m/ 400 up to 82 .
Got a rusty 76 F-250 3 years ago. A cabin rust repair is 4x the truck value. Thank you for the video.
You must be an expert in repairing rusted out cab mounts. Every 70s Ford Truck I owned had rusted cab mounts and steering column problems because of it. Great video BTW
Honestly, it needs to come down. It's wayyyy over inflated for garbage most of the time.
Covid drove those crazy prices, new truck inventories dried up and dealerships followed by doubling prices of new trucks they still had on their lots. Buyers went to the used truck market including vintage trucks for value and investment. But now prices are coming down, hopefully close to pre-covid levels Some people bought these vintage trucks with no skills or knowledge of how to maintain them thinking they would someday cash in. I just bought a none restored all original 74 F250 Ranger Supercab, 390, 4 barrel, auto 80,000 miles (maybe true mileage according to records ) good paint and good overall condition, not really used in decades but maintained. The owner /investor, after years of paying a shop a lot of money to keep it in top mechanical shape for just the occasional drive. Decided to sale his vintage truck having no mechanical skills or knowledge himself and feeling like it was a liability instead of a asset. I was lucky and showed up at the right time and was able to buy it for 3,000 dollars. Not a 4x4 but can’t complain.
i remember when i was 10 years old and Ford Model A's were expensive in the 1980s. Then those old farts all died off and values dropped 90%. 😅
So true, Model A, then cars from the 40's, a generation back, anything from '55-'56'-57 drew big bucks. I few years back late 60's early 70's were commanding insane prices. As the generation that just had to get what they missed or had as a teenager die off, the prices plummet. You couldn't give my 30 year old son a 55 chevy.
Good. It's bad enough that new trucks are selling for the price of a luxury sports car, but selling old trucks, even restored, for similar prices was insane IMO.
I'm glad to see prices going back down to reasonable and affordable levels. Trucks should be sold at prices that people who drive them can afford, not collector prices.
I love the fact that these are coming back down to real-world pricing. There is nothing that makes these trucks worth the over inflated prices they were / are asking. Just because someone invested their time and equity doesn't make it worth more. Look at the street rod maker from the last 30 years, you don't get into the hobby. Spend all your money and time and expect to make a huge profit. These drive like old trucks, poor mileage, and underpowered, most have shabby at best bodywork . Hey, I to own a few nice old trucks, Ford and Chevy. I would love to cash in on the market, too. But I enjoy them. Great info here. I hope someone watching uses the information. But imo, people, I think, lose perspective on just what 50.000 dollars look like.
YOU are so right,,there was a day back in the 80s when you could stick 10,000 in parts alone,work on it a year AND NEVER GET YOUR PARTS MONEY BACK!....it was a labor of love and the thrill of doing it yourself WAS WHAT YOU GOT !Then l heard of a guy in rich Overkland Park, kansas,in about 2010,WHO HIRED A FORD DEALER TO PAINT A CAR,AT great cost..l didnt hear how much,and actually thought he could make money on one....just seemed so crazy....
I’m 60 years old and I’m amazed at the prices of old trucks in general today
Man the trucks I had and sold in my past and the deals I could have gotten years ago
All those prices are out of the world insane. I don't know if I've ever seen a restoration that wasn't full of bugs
They really aren't that insane because the cost to build them is significant. A premium paint job can easily be 40k or more in today's world.
@@DentsideDepot If someone pays 40k for a paint job they are getting taken. I can't even think how you could even have 2k in materials in painting a pickup. The last triaxle dump I did here was somewhere like 1000 in materials and I paid the painter 500 for spraying it.
@@joecummings1260 Thats a low quality dump truck paint job. No offense, but clearly you are not well informed on what high quality show grade paint costs in materials and how many hours in labor it takes to prep out a truck and then wet sand. Of course you can paint a truck cheap, but then its just a cheap truck.
@@DentsideDepot$2k materials correct, if you buy yourself a bounce house and have a good gun (and some practice) you can save serious money on paint. I wouldn't want a show quality job on a dd anyway
Automotice paint is not the same as oil enamel paint. You could very easily spend more than $2000 on paint, primer clear, sandpaper, masking material, solvent etc. People dont work for free and why should they. They have a lot of costs in their business too. @@joecummings1260
Man I'm really glad I got my 79 F250 with a factory 460 for free. I've commented on one of your videos before I'm 14 and restoring my first truck to be my daily in a couple years. Really enjoy the videos. I was wondering if you could do a video on the different badges on these trucks. Mine's got 2 holes next to the 250 badge and it looks like it could have been one but not sure. There's nothing on the internet for this.
Hey appreciate you watching. Yes we can do badges at some point, that was on my futures list actually.
that means your truck is an XLT
Or a 250 camper special or a trailer special or a lariat. Look up the distance of the holes and if even or of set the trailer special is offset . The other two are different length and there was some bigger dealers that had there name in cast metal and actually drilled holes in new trucks and cars . Side note when these trucks were sold new if you were a truck buyer you had to go to the dealership used car dealer and then go to the back of the used car lot to look at the new trucks and then very very few were sold just to ride in the sales department always ask what kind of business or work you planned to do with the truck regardless of what size truck you bought
If your budget allows, you can order a Marti report which list your trucks options.
@@jeremyrushton8310how do you get this Marti report.
had my 75 ford f250 4x4 highboy since 89 been a prodject since. 159.550 on odometer. 5000 on 30 over 360fe engine.all metal swap. never ever failed me. these are very hard to part with. cuz there so dependable if ya need a stud in the stable these are the ones.
A stationwagen is now also "vintage". And you can haul things dry, warm and things are less easy to steal. Truck market has become too crazy, pricing wise. It starts to kill itself.
yea, but its a station wagon lol....
@@DentsideDepotan El Camino with a top! Extended cab, Four Doors! Wonder if you could sucker someone in...but I'd be OK with a 427 in a 69 Chevy wagon
suv is really a station wagon
I love station wagons, we’ve worn out two so far😊
@@shanechostetler9997 not sure if you could still find about a 2013 VW Jetta Sport Wagon with a 2.5, but there's your base model $130K Audi in real people terms. I'd love to have one, or a similar Subaru Outback
I've seen this across multiple classic car groups. Individuals will list a classic for an outrageous amount, get laughed at, then they post old info from 2021, 2022 that they believe justifies their price. All I ever tell them is, "it's not 2022 bud... It's 2024 now..."
You gotta pay to play. If you really want it, you'll pay for it. I have two fully restored, n beefed up 72's with all the paperwork showing the costs of high quality parts, not including my labor. And let me tell you, the price is still high without adding my labor. Yes it's 2024, but just because our dollar doesn't have the value it used to have doesn't mean you should pay less.
On the contrary, for example, If you bought a car in 1960 for $1000 bucks, that $1000 is now probably $10,000 in today's dollars. So, wake the fuck up Mister, nobody is gonna let go of a totally restored Classic just because it's 2024.
And the reason older Classics are getting expensive is because now there are less of them n people are keeping them longer.
My neighbor is selling a 77 Camaro in pretty decent shape for 10k, n the price to me is actually reasonable. For one in super good condition n clean inside and out, expect to pay 3 to 4 times as much.
Look at Gas Monkey, or Hollywood Customs, they sell for 50k n higher, 70-80k, n people are buying them.
truth is, some guys that have nothing better to do and money to waste started this craze. it actually ruined what was a good thing for the average working guy that just needed a cheap truck. we had a market where reasonably priced trucks that were built to last and had tons of stock and aftermarket, CHEAP, parts available an average guy could maintain and fix himself.
now they cant touch them. just a working guys observation. nothing personal.
The $18k truck was in Canada and needed transmission and engine rebuilds.
This gives me hope to find another of my own...had 3 in my 51 years of breathing...had a "snow commander"? it lived in our family for 30 years.
Old trucks used to be cool because they were affordable. You have to be insane to pay new truck money for a old truck that can’t hang with the new trucks in any category, towing, hauling, comfort etc etc
Here in New Hampshire you can pay 10 grand for a rust bucket F-150
Only if you’re stupid😂😂
I bought a 79 F150 4x4 with a 300 strait 6 10 years ago.. It took me 2 years of looking to find a rust free one. I got it from rust free classics for $7,000. It did have some engine problems but still worth it.
Just bought a 1999 f-250 7.3l diesel, 63,000 miles for $22,000 asking price started at $27,000 no one touched it for a month while the price dropped.
❤ Like your chanel my mom had black 79 Ford 150 with short bed when I was in high school brings back alot good memories hard to find these days I own a 89 GMC short bed sierra now love old trucks 😊
Classic head and shoulders price chart top on that Manheim Index, indicating prices will continue to go down at least to 165 before needing another analysis to see if it goes up or more down from there.
Good catch on the head and shoulders pattern, I didn't catch that at first. I was looking at the trend line steady and upwards before the spike it's likely the correction will continue at least down to that trend line. More troubling, that trend line was established when interest rates were zero, and I doubt we'll go back to zero rates, so I would expect it to dip considerably below that trend line. On the other hand, with the rise in inflation and material cost being higher I could see that giving the truck Market a bit of support after it falls further. But I think we can definitely Bet On It falling further.
I had a 1973 dentside f100 with the 300 straight 6 and 3 on the tree 2 wheel drive, I loved that truck
My buddy bought that baby blue 77 crew cab the body work and panel gaps are ruff. Engine ran like crap because it had the wrong length push rods in it (to short), rocker arms rattled like crazy
I think the smart money is in '80-'97 trucks and Broncos, mainly HD trucks with manuals mainly ZF5s, 2 or 4wd, reg cab on up, 300, 351w, 460 or 7.3. If its priced right it can at least be parts and if its well optioned and clean its not going to cost $20k unless its a ccsb 4x4 7.3psd ZF5.
I would buy the blue/green reg cab truck at the 12:53 mark in a heart beat. Beautiful! I wouldn't change a thing!
I agree 100%. Sold my fully restored 1976 Bronco in 2022 and very happy with the price because I wouldn’t see those numbers now.
You are an expert if you say so! Collectibles are a soft market, always have been, guns, glassware, semiprecious gemstone collections, tools, you name it, it all has one thing in common, their value in a sale scenario is what someone is willing to pay. That willingness to pay floats up and down due to a variety of factors. One thing a guy has to be careful of is to not mix an investment collectors mentality with one of an enthusiast. The collector watches the $ inputs and carefully assesses the markets where the enthusiast gets all steamed up over a potential collectible and often makes decisions to buy and invest money in a vehicle that is not warranted, ya know the I like it so much situation where we let the boy in us make decisions while we are fooling ourselves by thinking it is a good investment. It can be a fine line. With autos the markets have always expanded and contracted and it is kind of odd since the older they get the more scarce they become but generally they do hold a decent value. I marvel at other YT channels where guys spend several thousand dollars for rusted out, totally wasted pieces of scrap metal and then shriek at what a find they made??! In those cases it is viewed as expense to produce the channel output, the prices paid are ridiculous and should not be a measure of the market for fair condition or better old trucks that people want to restore and enjoy. Take heart, the market is always flowing and ebbing as it is now, you only take a loss when you sell, it takes time and patience to get your price. A down market actually has a silver side for guys like you, it is opportunity to buy. I think it is a mistake to expect huge profits as if you are a flip specialist, the market will always be there in some form but scale down expectations for returns on investment. For real money invest in pork bellys and soybeans.
Agree with everything. I have a truck, because I need one. But I've often been told that à car isn't an investment, no matter how hyped it is.
Used car and truck values are just a roller coaster depending on the economy and the amount of extra money people have lying around. The market in my area for my 2004 with the mods I have done is 40-50k. It's stupid high, blue book comes in around 3-5k lmao.
I drive/maintain a 65 F100. Been doing so since 12/23/82. The paint on it is now a lot of rust. I ran 240's for 39 yrs. The last one had 169,000 miles. Was tired. Had it taken out. Now a 300 is in it. I keep it in top mechanical shape. Looks don't affect performance.
I keep it b/c there are no metriQ bolts on it...the biggest reason is it is paid for and is not plastic and can be fixed without a whole lot of trouble.
Bought a fridge cab for 200 bucks, rust free, had it running in three days, 223 six 20 mpg, drive it daily, glad I like what others don't. Smogged out trucks don't interest me, no computers, and not scared to drive and use it for what it's for.
I agree. I have an 84 c10 my wife inherited from grandfather. Told her no use letting it sit in country and rot away. Pulled it back with my jeep gladiator and been restoring it. Thing will run forever and paid for. Along with my 71 delta 88 convertible plus we work from home
@@karonwells8481 71 Delta 88! Nice! That's a big ol' bus! Rides like Zeus' own couch! Good on you.
Greetings from Nor-Cal.
@huskyflylangley6053 thanks. Mostly original. Still has original oldsmobile radio working and original frigidaire ac compressor
@@karonwells8481 I grew up in cars like that- dad had 1969 LTD. Stuff like that was just part of the scene. I miss the LTD.
A bit newer but those compacts are holding value. Maybe because a real one hasn’t been made in the US since the 2012 Ranger, Colorado in 2011, and 2004 for the Tacoma.
Anything that doesn’t offer a 6’ bed or longer is not a compact truck in my book so no, the Maverick doesn’t count.
I love the fact that you have so much love for Dentside Fords, because they are the greatest trucks ever made, and they also own my heart. My question to you is why don't you take the time to make one totally sweet?
I am doing that right now with the Cummins swap X36. I do not have any employees here and all the work is done by me, so one truck takes about 10 months to get done. Also, I have zero appreciation for perfect paint, I prefer patina trucks.
That is the question I had, but his answer makes sense.
Great channel. I just subscribed. Thank you for sharing this type of content.
I know due to inflation prices are stupid, but, yeah, the examples you listed--WGAF. These trucks are not rare-- they might be uncommon these days, but they are common as pond water otherwise. Not to mention what a scam the major auctions have ran on prices. Personally, I'd like to see the market on these crash. Unfortunately, that won't happen until the entire financial market crashes.
Well, my truck will never be worth much because it had a hard life on a farm in central Indiana. 😅
But I will proudly drive it around when it is roadworthy.
1976 f250, 390 4V 4 speed regular cab longbed. Bali Blue!
Great video I agree 100 percent the market is on the way down most people are holding on to their money unless it’s a fair deal I was at a car show today the prices I noticed were down but people thinking Covid pricing they were worth it but not cash money worth it and I had cash money lol
Think about what you paid for yours, what is was worth two years ago and then subtract 5k from it and you have today's value. I think that is where it is at. But dont sell it Chris!!!!
When the market is at prices higher than working people can pay cash for it’s probably peaked. I’d imagine loans aren’t the easiest thing to get for trucks at or nearing 50 years old and I’d think most working folk wouldn’t take a note on something that probably is going to require more work and money too. I used to find reasonably priced nos dent side parts on eBay but in the last decade they’ve gone out of site. You’d need to be living with your parents and have a six figure job to play with these trucks nowadays. There’s still affordable junkers out there, but most young folks today couldn’t afford to really do a nice restoration. So much aftermarket parts aren’t very good quality, OEM is hard to find and pricey, and these are getting sparse in junk yards, with not much left that’s decent to use.
Classic car market has always been volitile, old cars are optional for most people. I live in Kaliunicornia so smog laws complicate the market even more. Have a rusty '67 bumpside as a project & it is fun but not neccessary. If prices drop it gives me hope I might get an early 70's 4X4 someday, without having to build it myself.
They say CA is the classic car capital of the world, but as you stated its one of the worse places to be. All the nonsense going on out there is what is killing this country. Move to Texas!
@@DentsideDepot CA does have its issues for sure but it is truly classic car heaven. I've lived in 5 states and I never saw the number of classics I saw living in southern California. There is no smog inspection for classic cars built before 1975. My husband and I were pretty involved in the classic car community and nobody gets their car inspected for smog.
I'm not sure what you are referring to because there is no smog inspection for cars older than 1975. And even for cars built after 1975, there are exceptions for cars that only see car shows or Sunday drives. I never heard of anyone in the classic car community getting their car smog inspected. The CA government sucks for sure, but there is no place that has the classic car community that CA has. Not even Florida. I miss CA just for the classics.
I am building a 1973 F250 4x4 highboy and I am putting a newly built 390 fe engine in it and going through it and putting in a brand new 78-79 power steering box I bought the frame kit for making it work I had to go get it and haul it back home 275 miles I love the original colors it has the lite blue paint on the bottom and the dark bahama blue on the top of the hood and body except for the top of the cab I am going to repaint it but I have to cut out rust spots over the beds fenders and I’ve bought panels for them and it’s has to have part of t passenger floor pan replace for rust but I have already purchased it also but the rest of the truck is pretty solid
I’ve been noticing prices coming down on market place. Sorry it’s hurting your investments but this is a good thing. People should be able to afford cool classics that they can work on and that don’t have cell phones built into them.
Thanks for the advice. Im in the market for a truck to actually drive and use, kids going to start driving next year, so Ill wait and keep my eye out for a good buy.
Great video! Would be great to hear about the one option I don't think you have talked about. The high output heater. Thanks!
Yup, that was def a good option to have for sure!
I'm sad to say the car generation is going away! Been in the restoration industry for 20 years younger people are not coming in and everything has gotten TOO expensive to jump in. We are looking at a big EV push younger generations have been convinced we have to go green ! They also carry much more debt than the older crowd and many don't think than can ever afford a home. Watch for the evidence the hobby is n decline car magazines are going out of print car shows are down in attendance, car TV shows are going away!!!
Holy moly those prices are super high. I bought my 1977 F-250 crew cab 2x4 with 460 for $900 in 2000 and sold it for about the same price in 2010. Bought my 1986 F-250 diesel 4x4 for $700 in 2006. Bought another 1985 in 2015 for $600. Sold 1978 Bronco in 2010 for $700.
Only interested in pre 73. Absolutely no smog crap.
Oh man that 79' F350 xtra cab is a beauty! I do love my 79' F250 w/ swapped 429 and C6 combo. I've had it for about 15yrs now. Bought it for $3500, then. No interest in selling it. From what I am seeing vehicle markets across the board are in decline right now. I think it is mostly larger external market factors and is just part of the overall market cycle. We shall see where things go from here in the near future.
Ford pickups have never been investment type vehicles. U spend $ 50k and u get $45 k for them.
I have a 79 70k mile 2wd F250 flatbed 351M 4 speed that I can't manage to sell for $4k right now on FB. Nice patina, perfect brakes, new clutch, drives great. I can afford to park it rather than let it go cheaper. It would have already sold it this was 2022. The market really is coming down.
Building/restoring is an expensive proposition. Those nice builds in the middle of the video are closer to $100,000 than $50,000 to "complete" (you're never really done). If you can buy them now for those 50-65k prices it's a good deal.
I would hate to have to sell mine but it's good to see they are still worth something:)
All great points
I'm shocked by the prices people are paying for restoration services now. Given how simple these trucks are, and how plentiful parts supply for them is , paying over 30-40k for one that is "mint" or a 10 footer to me seems silly. That said i was looking for a good rust free single cab 4x4 about 7 years ago. They were resonable at the time in the 8-10 k, not sure what they spiked out at. But now they are around 20k in my part of the country, which I find absurd.
@rexradar9297 I hear ya!! I'm north of the boarder. A truck that is in restorable condition goes for about 20k (15k us) give or take. A frickin parts truck is 5k these days. 400 to 500 horse crate engine between 20 and 30k by the time you have it installed (depends how silly you want to get replacing bits and pieces. Old pieces look like crap beside new stuff no matter how much elbow grease you put in) trans and transfer case are another variable but still costly just to have reconditioned, paint + body varies wildly but expect at least 10k, interior is relatively inexpensive but still going to cost a few bucks, all the misc..brakes, bearings bushings, nuts, bolts, exhaust, tools the list goes on and on can add up to thousands. If your doing the work yourself as a hobby project expect it to take two years. Pay a shop and your looking at 100$ an hour (give or take) up here. 100k can creep up on ya real fast :)
$50-65k a good deal? Most households don’t have that in the bank at retirement. I guess for wealthy folks it’s not much money, but I’d think that’s the exception not the norm.
@@1971_Chevelle_SS totally agree
If you’re heavily invested into these old trucks right now 😬I used to buy and sell classics. Never try to restore when prices are stupid high. Turn, turn, turn. Never hold. 80k for an old truck? That’s rich money that don’t think nor care. Sooner or later you will be holding something you can’t get rid of. My motto is just common sense, when prices get too high/stupid/ridiculous, buy only if it’s sold already. Take the money from stupid bandwagon hoppers and move on. Nobody with a brain ever thinks prices like these will stay that high. 😂
Most of the vehicles shown are not stock...
I hope it goes way down. I've been wanting to get a 74 to 85 f250
I've been collecting old Ford trucks since I got my first one at the age of 15. My father and grandfather only owned Ford trucks. It crazy that people pay these prices for old trucks. As much as I love them, they are nothing special, just simple old trucks. I guess it's time to start selling my collection as I am running out of space. Hopefully, prices will continue to drop so that more people can afford one. Especially the younger kids.
I don't know where you live, but here you can buy similar truck, no matter the brand, for about half that price. Ford from that area are often rusted out, but you can easily find a GMC or dodge that's good enough. I wouldn't pay this much for something I use for my trailer and wood. I can haul my stuff in my daily, it's an Audi RS6 Avant 2018. It's enough and my stuff is dry. Almost twice as powerful as a truck from the 70s.
you dont understand collectors!THESE arent for "hauling wood,nor is the collector worrying about power!
@7:37 it actually is a significant difference when you factor in inflation… $26k in 2024 is $22,344 in 2021, so this individual basically lost 6k in order to own that truck for three years. Inflation has gone bonkers in the last 3.5 years and it’s pretty obvious why.
thats a good point that I should have mentioned. You are 100% correct.
No matter what vehicle is restored the same old argument applies. What can it be bought for before restoration, how much is it worth after restoration and is there a 30k spread between those numbers to make the resto worth it. If other people are asking 20k or more for their restorations(money pits), can I restore a similar vehicle for 12k, typically, the answer is yes, so its very difficult for an average vehicle to be sold for more than 15k. Anyone can restore one themselves. Jay leno said, once "if you are restoring vehicles and making money, you must be doing something wrong"
Historically, 7% to 8% auto interest rates is normal.
Now if auto manufacturers would learn that and adjust prices accordingly…also 6-7 year loans were never common no matter the rate.
Curious if the price drop from 2021 to 2024 is not as pronounced for 73-75 trucks vs. 76-79. Many California buyers (like me) won’t buy a 76-79 due to smog requirements. For example, I would have bid that white explorer that dropped from 14K to 7K on BAT, if it had been a 75.
That certainly could play a part in it. I cant imagine having to deal with all that nonsense. here in PA its 109$ for a permanent registration and plate and you never need to pay anything ever again or get it inspected. I would go bankrupt if I lived in CA.
I can neither confirm nor deny if I have Montana plates on 2 of my OBS’s:) $50 for forever tags is hard to pass up. But, I don’t want to have too many CA trucks with MT plates at my house so my 79 Ranger Supercab Shortbed 302 4spd (now roller 5.0 & TKO 5spd) has been on non opp for two years. Do I occasionally put my 75 Supercab plates on it to go for a spin? Not that you can prove! Muddling through my Ford truck addiction here in So Cal. Love your stuff man, Cheers!
@@h20cycle1 just change your address to imperial california you only have to get smogged every 10 yrs
@swiftxrapid919 Good tip, I will look into that.
Mine is a 1973 F350 super camper special, its been upgraded to a full hiboy(divorced transfer case) and the bottom is all redone. It has some bodywork and paint to be done, I was wondering if it was worth getting all that work done. I love my truck.
I’m a 67-72 Chevy C10/K10 nut and values still seem pretty healthy at the moment.
I got my 71 C20 binning and driving for 1000 bucks. Right place and right time type of find.
Have you heard of Kijiji? It’s a Canadian auto etc sales format
Do a Canada wide search for broncos .
Insane prices .
It’s completely fu@king stupid for Broncos right now. I think because of the new Broncos and people want them but not for 75k+ for a new one.
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I paid up for mine
Total rust pile
Wish I would’ve spent more
The odd deal comes up
In the 90s they were beaters I drove them lol
Money also doesn’t buy what it uses to
spot on vid , i have been eyeing a 4 door just like the blue cover picture one. but it has a 300 six. 7 out of 10 exterior and 6 out of 10 interior. been struggling to come up with an offer price.
tHanks for all the research. Great video....gives us something to think about.
Off topic question, but was that light Baby Blue a stock Ford Color in the 70’s? I never saw it until about 1985 or ‘86 on a Ford truck.
I had a "76 F250 I bought brand new in that baby blue color. I paid $5500 new with 4wd manual 5 speed with the creeper gear 351 cu.in. engine. I wish I would have kept it but sold it when it got too rusted.
@@Mindokwin My father bought a red ‘77 F250 4x4 Crewcab 351 4 speed in the fall of ‘76. I remember driving home from the dealer with him in it the day it was new. Funny how I never saw one of these baby blue trucks in the 70’s that I can recall.
Yes, the blue truck in my video is the original paint.
@@squangan I don't think it was a popular color. Not manly I guess lol. I saw one other in my town and talked to the owner who was a woman got it as part of her divorce settlement,
Interesting take on the market. Subbed!
I've been saying this for a few years. The only reason the classic truck market got so high is because the US Federal Reserve's reckless currency manipulation. It was a trap for the middle class and it worked! Cheap credit made prices skyrocket and the hangover phase of this unbacked currency printing is making them drop. The classic truck bubble has burst, the economy is about to crash like never before. Inflation will turn to stagflation and then to hyperinflation! These trucks will be much cheaper in the near future but the average person won't have the money to buy them because the extreme cost of food, shelter and fuel. This is the scenario if Trump wins, if Kamala wins its game over, people will be eating bugs ( that's not a joke).
Seems like I got a good deal on my ‘76 f150 supercab. No rust, everything mechanically sound, just a few light wiring issues. $11,500 in Sept. 2023
Yes that is a very fair number.
I really liked this video thank you for sharing this information.
youre welcome!
Been seeing the market soften on good trucks. Really great builds seem to be pulling top dollar, BUT it better be a pretty special truck!
BaT has had a ton of no sales in the last few months as I watch dent-sides as well as square body chevys.
Looking for a good driver to have as a shop truck, so hoping prices come down.
I think you can right now find a good 2wd truck on facebook for 3-5 gran
@@DentsideDepot That would be ideal. May have to travel though. Somewhat of a old truck desert around me.
Cool information. Hey what township permits having a lawn full of unregistered vehicles? And im guessing there's no community association.
I bought in close to the peak unfortunately I needed a work truck no regrets with my purchase bummer to see better quality trucks at lower Prices now tho great video idea keep the content rolling
well if you needed a truck then it is what it is.
Did you but a 70s truck or something new?
My dreams of owning a 97 F350 CCLB 4x4 PSD were all but crushed when the market went crazy in 2019.5 till a year ago. I hope values go down on those trucks. Here’s to hoping
I picked up a 96 extended cab long bed 4x4 PSD with 177,000 miles all stock for 9500. Body is a little rough but the interior and mechanical is pristine.
When trucks are getting bid 50+ the market is good, its seller expectations that are wildly high.
Looking at a '78 Supercab XLT. Rust free west Texas truck but doesn't run. Molding's missing and small dents over most of the body... asking $4500.00. Good price?
Yes I think thats fair value for a resto project
If these old Ford trucks are structurally solid, you can keep them running indefinitely, for very little money. People will soon realize this. ( New truck, $80,000 ) ( Used truck $8,000 ) 80's Fords are still selling for very low prices. However, it is likely that the government will outlaw old vehicles, like California did.
What wheels are on the green truck?
every video similar to this makes me appreciate my 69 f250 more. i got the poor girl for a steal and i plan on taking care of her until i pass, hopefully another 60 years minimum.
Drove F150 in 85 for High School, lol primitive is the word that comes to mind, fun at the right price.
I bought a 77 f250 4x4 5 years ago drove it 200 miles home .. 1500$ since restored
Way back in 1975 dad bought a new F100 short box for $3,500.00. Never would any old truck get 911 coin.
I love that mint single can 4x4.
affordable classics will always sell. trailer queens prices are dropping or no sale.
Great video. Explains why my 1997 F150 did not move over the summer listed at $11.500. You pegged the market reality indicating a 30% drop in classic / late models. the 97 is going into storage on Saturday let's hope it does not drop another 30% Spring / Summer of 2025!
I agree with root beer colors look nice and beautiful