What's on the back?!
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2022
- Resplendent King Edward 2nd in Blue slipping out of Grosmont station. A surprise on the back for diesel fans 😁
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Great to see a mighty King in action! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Not as mighty as a Pacific .
And a beautiful 37 on the rear as a nice surprise to us Gricers here .
Oh I love the BR Blue. Looks amazing on any train. Except perhaps the Scotsman.
As much as people love RWS Gordon, Scotsman does look weird in blue.
i think it looks smart on the scotsman. very unpopular opinion
@@AbeTheBabe6233 ok I googled it and I agree
Honestly, I think it's just the corridor tender that makes it look a bit iffy on Flying Scotsman, the lining on the tender's a bit thin compared to its other liveries. It looks great on an A1/A3 with the stock tender.
Blue is my fave colour but flying scottsman should always be apple green
Gorgeous! Blue becomes a mighty Western King! ..and not to forget, a 37 decked out in Highland Big Logo Blue, a real treat, smoke, steam, ash, cinders and a nice cloud of clag to boot! thanks for sharing. 👍
That Blue is gorgeous, really suits the loco. 👍
Collet's last words "Thank goodness I didn't live to see a King in blue!"
I think I've just found my new favourite. Blue is my favourite colour.
Yes I agree - look at these in blue also 😊👌 ruclips.net/video/9J5FA2lqGHE/видео.html
What was attached to the rear of the train was a Dr. Doolittle Push-Me-Pull-Me Engine.
King Edward II is famous for having a tender behind ! :)
Why is that? 😊
@@globalgumboots He's just trying to be clever, it's not worth any explanation. I know what he means and just ignore it.
@@1258-Eckhart Thank you for taking the time to post your kind and helpful comment. A perfect illustration of the famous German sense of humour! Very best wishes to you my dear fellow :)
Looks good in blue!!! Saved the best till last🙂🙂🙂🙂
Yes, I think so too 😁
@@fortheloveoftrains could do with a lick of paint but the junior whistler was nice to see
The 37 is giving the PUSH that the King just can't Pull .
Such a Glorious locomotive
Beatiful nd stirring. Shame about the scrap haulage at the end of the train.
Bijzonder fraai !
Great videos ! 👍
Thanks , appreciate it 😊👌
@@fortheloveoftrains You're very welcome !
That is one smart lookin engine
Yes, I think so too 👌
Love the King. While I also love a Class 37, I hate to see ANY diesel on the tail-end of a steam locomtive.
Provides Carriage heating as the steam loco is unable, hence why you seen them on steam charter services a lot. As well as for help getting up gradients
@@Nate0493 Hi Nate. Not sure I completely follow. Is it the locos, or the carriages? How did they heat carriages before diesels?
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo old stock was steam heated and several diesel types had steam boilers instead of a second engine, more modern stock is Electrically heated which steam locos cant do.
Always loved them in blue
Yes, I think they look great 👍
Архитектура тоже потрясающая. Спасибо!
Blue is a very unstable colour. You will note that very few of the 200+ pre -Grouping railway companies chose it as their prime choice.
Exceptions
1) Great Eastern,
2) the Caley,
3) Kent and East Sussex,
4) Somerset and Dorset Joint.
Can’t bring to mind any others.
Green, on the other hand, wears very well.
Please note that all pigments have their strengths and weaknesses. Blue is no less stable than red and paint technology makes progress every year!
@@TPEsprit Weren't some of the LMS Coronation Class locos in blue? And, indeed, LNER's Mallard?
@@hoagy_ytfc Yes indeed, that's correct! All the pacifics (along with the Kings!) of each region with the highest power classification were candidates for the early BR Blue livery. It is possible that the Kings may have received a somewhat lighter version of the blue at some point but the colour as carried here on 6023 is a good match for the standard colour. I have seen some of the blue paint colour on the tender tank from a Merchant Navy Class when fitted to 34007 and the hue was a true, deep french ultramarine blue. I remember thinking it was a very beautiful colour.
Who asked?
Looks stunning
I LOVE KEII- defo top 5 individual steamies for me and king class probs top 5 all round engines tbh
a thing of beauty fs
It sure is 👌
too much of a good king I say.
Not a gwr fan but this, whatever it is, looks stunning. Nice video and thank you for sharing!
Pleasure thanks 🙏
@ Philip Hearn - To elucidate you this is a GWR King Class 4-6-0, a veritable powerhouse of a steam locomotive up there with the likes of LMS Duchesses and LNER A4s!
4000 gallon Tender. You can swap them about depending on Route, and wheight limit and bridges.
This is pretty typical for excursion runs. Modern coaches require head-end power connections that aren't available on steam locomotives. Additionally, in some places the diesel is required as a backup in case of a breakdown - granted, if a steam locomotive breaks down chances are it can still limp off to a siding, and a diesel is actually more likely to end up stuck on the main, but no one's taking any chances.
In the US, Big Boy 4014 always runs with at least one SD70MAC behind it.
05/12 22 Earth, Wind & Fire harnessed providing glorious motion. Is the Diesel at the back part of the payload ? Were GWR locos finished in 'Mallard' blue back in the day ? Still a magnificent sight ! Now, where's my ABC Combined Volume ?
No they were painted in British Railways Experimental Blue in the early 50s and only one or two.
The 37 is for carriage heating, hence why you see them a lot in winter on the back of charter services. Also can be used as extra motive power for gradients. As for the blue, it’s early BR blue which was worn for short periods of time
Why the paraffin can on the back when on a private railway!
Pissing away a lot of steam/power…..and slipping the wheels.
They should make a GWR King Charles III Locomotive, You know?
Yes 👍 great idea 😀
@@joeydutch7178 Why?
A freaking montrosity
😂
where is this?
Grosmont on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. 🇬🇧
b1tch of the yard fans will be glad to see this
😐🤨📸
That splendid machine must be so embarrassed to be tarted up in that hideous livery...
😂😊👌
Why do preserved British steam locos run enveloped in steam?! It was never the case pre-preservation and is rarely evident with Continental locomotives now. I have driven a couple of standard and one narrow gauge loco and I never found the need for such messy running.
Yes good question 👌
@@fortheloveoftrains Running with cylinder drain cocks open.
The purpose of the draincocks is to eliminate condensed water in Cold Cylinders, because a build up could cause Pistons to Break or Piston Rods to Bend. WATER IS NOT Compressible.
Cocks are left open until cylinders are warmed up to Superheated Steam Temperature, and condensation no longer Occurs...a Hurried Cold Start is energy wasteful, but open cocks are necessary to prevent Cylinder Damage.
Continuos use of cylinder cocks is a sign of either a very short cold run, or an in-experienced driver.
I think that there's an element of over-concern about condensation in the cylinders, ever since a 5MT blew its left cylinder off at great expense on the Mid-Hants. There used to be a passenger view of the incident on RUclips years ago, might still be up.
What's on the back..... Oh ones of those ugly, orrible, smelly, diesel things. Always breaking down, probably being towed to the workshop. 😋
😂
can we just talk about the little picture of the dog on the side of the diesel engine
Yes, sure, fire away 😊
It was a symbol of Glasgow Eastfield depot. They put a Highland Terrier on their locos at one time.
The blue King is one of my favourite preserved locomotives so what was on the back had to be something special..... it wasn't.
Honestly i love kings class and I don’t see anything wrong with a helper diesel in the back, since steam engines are old machines they do need some help
Something magical about them, get them to last as long as possible. Although with new coal coming, what’s the smell going to be like?
Atleast in America, diesels are only used for the use of giving the coaches electricity and braking.
@@JulianWatsonThe400 nope. in the usa the diesels are shoving all the time. the big boy seems to spend its whole life being pushed...
they dont 'need' help. if they are okay to run then they are okay to run. funnily enough having paid money to travel by steam im never particularly impressed to have some lump of scrap pushing at the back.
37s are hardly new machines themselves
join the movement, return the much beloved pacers #blovedpavers #ilovepacers
Blovedpavers? Is that a patio site? 😂
I agree, we need the pacers back. #bringbackthepacers
whats so suprising about a large logo 37?
Hi, for you i assume "nothing". For me it was a fantastic surprise 😊
Blue is fine, roughly the same colour as the prototype Deltic. If I'm not mistaken, I hear some similar sounds coming from the class 37 : a 'baby' Napier perhaps
And whilst the 37 is also English Electric, it is not a baby Napier (class 23).
The Deltic blue was a rather lighter shade.
Steam specials should be out and back by steam engine only, if they insist on an oilburner for operative security, it should lurk in a siding somewhere en route. The problem with turning the engine would be solved by running the excursion in a circuit. Preservation railways should have turntables or shunt sidings at the terminus to turn the engine round. This business of hooking oilburners to the back should die out.
The diesel on the back (or even behind the steam loco) is often to provide the electrics for the coaching stock.
@@ajbonmg That and the heating of course. I'm totally against tugging diesels around the countryside. For this, preservation railways need generator vans with pantographs for when the juice come from above. All in LNER period teak of course.
So you don’t want carriage lighting or heating during cold winter evenings? Okay then
@@Nate0493 get real, diesels werent needed to provide those things in service or in preservation until pretty recently.
its obviously just trying to lower costs by using the diesel to power the train
I can tell it's Britain because people seem to know how to dress like adults.
I simply don't understand why this magnificent loco was submitted to the indignity of being painted in early BR blue, a livery she only wore for a very short period and never looked right in. Good video otherwise.
I''d never seen one like this - I thought it looked stunning 😊👌
"Blue is the only proper color for an engine"
It looks stunning
It is a good video, the blue livery looks superb!
@@fortheloveoftrains when did you take this?
Is that a waste of coal or oil ? Dependant I suppose on whether its the one at the front or the one at the back doing the work. However such operation was BANNED in BR Days as DANGEROUS. Heavy duty "swingers" were not allowed to be added at the back of the train, for the simple reason that in curves the heavy weight vehicle at the rear stretches the train out and greatly increases a vehicle in the middle coming OFF THE TRACK. So today SAFETY in Britain is like many 3rd world countries - totally Micky Mouse !!!
If you are not sure what I'm talking about, consider the following. Until just before BR was replaced by that imbecilic Franchise/Renting farce. Britain had the WORLDS most sophisticated rail crash investigation system named HMRI (Her Majesties Railway Inspectorate). This utilised normally Major's or Colonel's from the British Army's Royal Engineers, seconded to HMRI as necessary to investigate rail crashes. However with the approach of the Micky Mouse Franchise/Renting nonsense, it was realised by the Civil Servants who were going to inflict this daft system on the country, that HMRI being a totally independant system, may just declare many new operational ideas DANGEROUS and cause problems !!!
So HMRI was abolished. And replaced by the HSE (Health & Safety Executive) itself actually a part of the Civil Service, and up to that time a method for imposing Pseudo Saftey on Shops & Factories. Many including ex HMRI officiers went into print condeming this as pure MADNESS as the HSE has NO RAILWAY OR ENGINEERING QUALIFICATIONS !!!!
Indeed the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) was so alarmed by this change, it demanded a written assurance from the Government that no such changes would be applied to the CAA & air crash investigation !!!
In the first crash investigated by the HSE which was the Cannon Street crash. These moneywasting morons, declared the crash was the result of the poor design of the train because it had chassis's dating back to 1932, reused on these Class 4EPB EMU's built around 1954. That the driver had experienced problems with the brake because that too was faulty. So ALL these trains should be replaced ASAP !!!
Absolute nonsense of course. The 1930's chassis referred too had stood up to the crash without trouble, and it was the 1950's body shells that had partially collapsed, injuring at least one passenger. There was nothing wrong with the EPB brake (which is the best brake anywhere in the World). The problem was the NEW Franchise era Train Driver, who was insufficiently trained, and failed to understand that the EPB brake handle works by inscribing a partial circle from 6 'o'clock on the dial (brake released) through to 10 'o' clock (Full Electro Pneumatic Brake application). But if you are not trained properly, and you move the handle slightly beyond the resistence stop at 10 'o' clock, the brake handle now goes into the "Emergency" reserve Westinghouse Straight Airbrake RELEASE position ! You have to push the handle all the way to "Midnight" to fully apply this straight Airbrake, which will require a few seconds to apply fully. The Muppet driver of course had run out of time, and the train hit the buffer stops. A number or regular Commuters had their doors open before the train stopped (illegally as usual) and because the train hit the buffer stops at around 9mph, a number were thrown onto the platform, being injured in the process. The threat by these commuters of "Legal Action" was quashed when the British Transport Police threatened to charge these same commuters with dangerous behaviour likely to cause serious injury to others, by opening the doors illegally before the train had stopped !!!!
The bottom line was that the stupid HSE had got it all wrong technically. But had in reality concluded it did not like trains with classic opening doors, and this would be a good excuse to inflict a Political decision on the crash, by spending a few Hundred Million on new but useless modern sliding door trains. Forcing this large cost onto the Bank who controlled the relevant Train Owning Franchise for said trains. The cost therefore would of course in time be recouped in the ticket fare structure (the passengers therefore pay), as the Bank simply passes the costs along to whoever has the relevant Train Operating Franchise.
The problem with replacing the original slam door suburban units with sliding door types, is that a slam door carriage with 10 doors per coach side, can load & disgorge many more passengers than a sliding door carriage with just two pairs of double doors at one third, & two thirds spacing. In the 30 seconds then allowed suburban trains at stations. So sliding door suburban trains require longer at stations ! Meaning fewer trains per hour, when more are in reality needed.
As trains are now built by Private train construction Companies with NO TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS provided by ANY "Railway Company", as Train Operating Franchises have NO Engineering qualifications ! Maybe you can now see why the current imbecilic Franchise Network system, where the Government in reality still owns everything, and simply hides behind the organisations that rent (Franchise) bits of what was once the second most efficient railway in the World, British Railways. Today the British rail network is down amongst the 3rd World Countries on efficientcy ! Which explains why rail fares in Britain are almost the most expensive in the World.
Like many thousands of BR staff from train crew to engineers & management, who left BR when we realised, what would happen to what was once a proper Railway Company, I went to work for railways overseas !!!
Wow there’s a lot to digest and dive deeper into there. Thanks for your comment and possibly the longest I’ve ever seen. Thanks for taking the time , I’ll be looking into this. 👌😊
I took the trouble to read all that and it all seems very credible. The Tories have in fact nationalised the railway to a far greater degree than it ever has been. Everything is run by the DfT and its utterly absurd "operator of last resort" directly, whereas BR was an independent organisation rum by engineers and railwaymen who ran the system successfully on a shoestring. The railway now costs ten times more than it did before 1994 and gives no better a service. Your point about replacing the HMRI with the HSE proves the deep criminality of the Tories, because it shows how everything is governed by mafia principles.
I suppose you're another armchair 'expert' like all the others that infest RUclips and other social media sites. Do you have proper professional knowledge to enable you to post that diatribe, or is it just a personal opinion? Frankly I gave up reading your rant after the first few paragraphs! 😡
@@1258-Eckhart lol such desperate misinformation
br independent-err no, literally a government organisation that lived at the whims of whichever government was in at the time.
br ran successfully on a shoestring-nope. br was a failure start to finish. the worlds (arguably)greatest rail network utterly gutted and stagnant for 40 years. the fact that it was gov owned meant gov results go figure.
obv your well aware that labour eacted most of the closures in both route millage and stations. barbara castle and tom fraser being the 2 people to axe more of the uks railways than anyone else and its not even close. youre aware of that but your rant about the tories may give the wrong impression that you think that the railway destroying labour party that axed so much of the network is pro rail. just to be clear-power to close arailway lies with the sec state. so railways are closed by gov misters/governments not by, and im not suggesting youd ever push such an obvious lie, businessmen issuing reports with no power to enact closure.
as for the franchise system. yeah its stupid in its way but ill note that services have greatly improved. notably the wcml which over 40 years br made little impact on was totally transformed within 10 years of virgin operation. conversely when the gov took over the ecml after the collapse of the franchise there service fell off a cliff, you can look it up on the orr site-trains became less punctual and were less available the very year hg took over from the private sector. your rant about hmri is weird because all stats would suggest the modern railway is quite a bit safer than br.
HMRI was not abolished. so you are lying or ignorant. it still exists. the current chief inspecting officer is Ian Prosser. it wasnt replaced by the HSE it was transferred to the HSE in 2004. remind me who was in government in 2004? ohhh yes it was those famous tories Anthony Bair and John Prescott...
you seem to really hate what the labour party did to the railways but have convinced yourself it was the tories, strange.
as for private companies building trains, again your ignorance is stunning. whats wrong with this? the entire british and french empires were filled with trains built by private companies built in the uk/france etc. continental railways tend to have their stock built by private companies whether thats modern ICE/TGV sets built by Siemens or Alstom or whether you are talking about their previous steam fleets. german 01/01.10/01/03.10/44/52/ on and on and french 231xx/140xx etc etc all built by private firms all perfectly good or even superb stock. in fact off the top of my head i cant think of a german or french class of note that was built by the state railway in its own workshop. so your non point about private builders is bizarre...
@@1258-Eckhart err the hmri wasnt abolished it was transferred to hse. not by the tories but by the labour gov in 2004. i assume this;
'Proves the deep criminality of the LABOUR party, because it shows how everything is governed by mafia principles.'
but im guessing not, political religion first eh?
you probably also choose(and i mean choose) to believe that the tories closed all the railways. tory membership no doubt being news to barbara castle and tom fraser, the 2 people who as sec state closed the most stations and miles of track...
as for no better service. again obv crap. the wcml would be the obv example. br achieved nothing with it over 40 years. 10 years of virgin and the times were reduced massively.
br wasnt independant. thats why governments were able to close huge swathes of the lines(labour) or to split the shipping/hotels off and cancel useful projects like the APT(conservative). not complicated this=government railway equaled government results and it was a disaster for half a century
and as always its worth remembering that in 1973 the uk joined the eec. and the eec/eu mandates the abolishing of nationalised railways of the form that br was. ie it is illegal under community law for one entity to own the trains/track/stations etc etc and to also employ the people and run the trains/stations etc etc. there is no argument here by the way no matter what people wish to pretend, it is simply illegal under the commission directives on the railways of europe. so br, in its created form, had to go in one way or another...
Can't steam engines operate anymore without having a diesel loco on the back?
That’s a good question, but I have seen some without, even on that line. So maybe it was a movement or no run around at the end? If anyone knows, let us know 😊
Could have been to provide assistance up the bank as its leaf fall season I.e.to avoid slipping. Otherwise just to give the 37 a run. Bit surprised to see a King on the NYMR, I thought they would have been 'out of gauge'? Many GWR locos couldn't run North of the Midlands due to their wider cylinders catching the platforms on stations, hence why they were never seen in the North of England.
@@sugarbertie1143 even throughout the summer all steam loco's Ive seen running on main line routes have had a diesel unit behind.
@@sugarbertie1143 well well well, you live and learn, thanks @sugar bertie11
@@dudleyserious9985 That's for assurance in case of breakdowns . Been like that for a long time now.