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Hear me out, teams owned by the fans. Each fan can vote to invest the teams money into different players/coaches, and then when their team sucks, they can't get mad because they chose the players
Right like seriously how much money do you really need? Another thing I can't stand is using government(our) money to build a stadium when the owners can easily pay for it on their own
Teams can’t really “get” owners, right? Isn’t that the whole problem? One owner sells it to the next, who, then tries their hardest to squeeze as much money out of it before selling it for a higher number.
I’m glad you mentioned Mariners owner John Stanton & called him out. We know Seattle has challenges attracting free agents (most travel, home park not hitter friendly) but Mariners ownership just pockets the profits they gain but only invests in making Mariners game day attractive to the fair weather fans.
first team to introduce "Dynamic Pricing" at the gates; which is "pay *more* to see a good team beat the crap-less Ms." I've given up on the Mariners. I'd rather go to Tacoma or Everett and see a good game.
This is why MLB needs to be like the NBA & have a salary floor & for the free spenders a soft salary cap with a bunch of exemptions. Make the owners spend on the squad rather than pay players as little as possible
The only way to get back at the owners/league is to refuse to buy tickets, pay to park, or watch on TV. If you get free tickets go, but don’t buy any $12 hot dogs.
@@Chris-xt8iono they don’t, if they spent money they wouldn’t of given Nolan away for a hotdog and bud light. They would’ve resigned the best player they’ve had for decades
Thanks for this video. It explains a lot about why some teams don't even try to field a decent team: Captive fans and that sweet sweet revenue sharing and luxury tax split.
To my fellow Seattle Mariners fans- if nothing changes this off season, we assemble and boycott. For real. Not another dollar to Stanton and his bullshit
Implement a Nutting tax, like an inverse luxury tax: All teams that don't pay above a certain percentage of revenue on player salary pay the difference into a pool to be spread out among all MLB players evenly.
As a Mariners' fan all of what you said is the whole truth, the owner makes a ton of money, and the M's have made the playoffs once in the last 22 years. Will the M's change their ways, spend some money and get a great free agent this offseason? I don't think that's likely. I'm not holding my breath about the M's making a World Series in my lifetime, I'm 71.
One year the Mariners had Ichiro hitting 3rd, I guess they wanted to see if he could break the Fielder's Choice record, with Adam Kennedy batting cleanup behind him. And this year's offense was worse than that.
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MLB should institute a minimum payroll over a ten or fifteen-year span where if a team is under that total amount of money spent for the period of time, which is long enough to do a full-scale rebuild over, they have given away enough money to reach the line, plus and extra tax.
Or if you are under a yearly minimum you had to set aside the difference for future years that have to spent by a certain year. Let’s say the minimum is 85 mil and a teams salary is 55. The owner has to put 30 mil in a trust that year that has to be spent by a certain time. Making sucking profitable is hurting the game.
While it's true that the Rays haven't won a title, they still put a good baseball product on the field. I really wouldn't include the Rays, a winning organization and a perennial contender, in with teams like the Pirates and Athletics. Since 2008 (the start of the modern Rays), the Rays have made the postseason nine times, won the AL East (the hardest division in MLB) four times, and played in the World Series twice. In the same time, the Pirates have made three postseasons, never won the NL Central, and didn't play in the World Series. The Athletics made six postseasons, won the AL West three times, and didn't make it to the World Series.
The Rays have sorta broken baseball, strategically and financially - but nobody else can replicate it. Seems like every year they turn 3 unknown or 'washed up' players into all stars. Easily the best run franchise in sports from a development and analytics perspective imo.
You are certainly framing the Mariners in a less than honest way. Yes, 100% yes they should have spent more money, but the retoric that they intentionally rolled out an anemic offense is laughable. Yes Teoscar Hernandez didn't hit tell for a middle of the order bat, but he easily had the worst year of his career. I don't think anyone predicted that. They traded for Kolton Wong who, no was not supposed to be a stud, but a legitimate platoon partner for Dylan Moore. Wong also had a career worst season. They signed AJ Pollock to platoon at DH and LF who ALSO had a career worst season. Now how about the returning players. Ty France also had a career low of a season after being an All Star in 2022. Geno Suarez had his OPS+ drop by 28 points giving his worst offensive (healthy) season since 2016. And finally, Tommy La Stella wasn't supposed to be the DH. This only happened because Taylor Trammell was injured in spring training and missed the beginning of the season. The plan was to rotate all of the outfielders through the DH spot. Should they have signed/traded for another 1-2 bats? HELL YEAH!! Everyone was saying that at the time. But no one could have predicted, let's count now, 4 players to have career lows, and 1 to have his worst since 2016. Let's not forget about all the predictions that had them as a borderline top 10 offense in baseball. You normally have such great videos but man, I'm really disappointed with your framing here. That's okay. We all make mistakes, and your next one will be a banger!
@@pray4us955 Yes I do. That's a stupid question. I'll bring out the crayons for you. The Ray and Kelenic deals affect the 2024 team, not the 2023 team. It doesn't change the past. Also Ray was shipped out in exchange for a bat. I can keep going but I've wasted enough of my time.
The biggest power hitter in MLB history was not Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, or Hank Aaron. The player who hit against the power structure the best was Curt Flood.
Just include in the luxury tax a requirement that the funds transferred to teams must be spent on player payroll of free agents and the issue would be greatly reduced and allow small market teams to compete on a budget.
@@sparkyfister Doesn't matter, keeps the owner from pocketing it. I also think teams ought to take part of their share and spend it on minor league players. How many good players had to leave in the Minors because they get less than minimum wage? MLB losing its exemption would make it subject to federal wage requirements. 80 hours a week training, traveling and playing.
Either implement a salary floor or force a team to match the shared revenue in investments to players and facilities. Can't keep letting billionaires cry poor.
As a Mets fan, this hopelessness was how many of our fans felt with the Wilpons when they owned the team. At first they did spend but after being involved with Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme, they cut payroll, got a shady loan from MLB and the team did a half-assed rebuild. When the team surprised us all in 2015, they didn't spend big that offseason like the Phillies did in 2022 with Trea Turner. In fact, they didn't expect to bring Yoenis Cespedes back, but thank god they did. It's impressive the 2016 Mets even made the wild card game with how little the ownership invested into that team after making the WS the year before. It's only been a few years of Steve Cohen owning the team but the vibes feel completely different. Both on the field and behind the scenes investments are being made that we hope to eventually see a payoff for. Mariners fans should be pissed their owner is letting some amazing pitching, a superstar in JRod and some good key role players be wasted as John Stanton cares more about a hefty profit. Any fanbase with ownership that solely care about profit and not on field success contributing to that profit deserve better. John Fisher is a disgrace.
Yeah, Cohen is nothing but good for the game though his FO has the intelligence of a toddler. But if there is a real desire to win at all costs and Cohen actually gets a baseball mind smart enough to make the dream a reality, it is only a matter of time before the Mets win it all.
You can't have a smaller market than St. Petersburg, but the Rays consistently put out a good team while fans don't show up. Moving to Tampa won't fix it, if there are not enough fans in Mid-Florida to fill the Trop, stop blaming it on the location. They are not on an island 50 miles away. They're within 30 miles of Tampa suburbs plus the whole peninsula where Clearwater sits and just North of the Sunshine Bridge and half a million people down there. My son and I went to games from Englewood and Venice Beach. Ooh, took us an hour one way in congested traffic. I also lived up near Redington Shores and went down the uncrowded freeway several time for a 7:00 o'clock game. Stop complaining if you're a fair weather fan who can't stand a little traffic, but I bet most whiners don't even live there.
Love the vid. I do want to point out that saying that Verlander was traded for 3 players who never made it is false. The Jake Rodgers is the current catcher for the Tigers. He was the third player in that trade. 8:30
Well portrayed but it only works so long as local fans continue to support the team. Once that local support evaporates (and/or dies) then you have to build it back up again which takes years if not decades. In the case of the A's it's on purpose as the goal was to move to a bigger pot of suckers.
Backed by Manfred while Oakland has nearly a billion dollars for a new waterfront stadium the A's choose to pay rent in Vegas with $380 million in public money that Schools Over Stadium might remove $120 million of.
I Found Out Halfway Through The Video That The Pirates Owners Last Name Is Nutting 😅 I Thought This Whole Time You Were Using Nutting As A Metaphor That The Owner Was Fvcking The Fans Over & Nutting 🤣🤣🤣 I'm Hella Lit 🗣️💨😁🔥
They should make a cap on profits relative to the pay roll of the team so if your pay roll is 20min you can only get a profit of 5mil, 60mil pay roll for a 15mil profit, or something like that
As a pirates fan I hate giving nutting any kind of credit BUT. To be faaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrr. Bob did extend ke’bryan hayes and Bryan Reynolds to long term extensions.
I HATE how cheap John Stanton (The Mariners majority owner) has been, but to be fair, he's not nutting. The Mariners don't receive revenue sharing, as they are a upper-mid market team. While he is cheap, he isn't nearly as bad as some owners who spend less on payroll than they receive in revenue sharing. The Mariners payroll this last year was 18th, and while we don't have the revenue figures yet, It's probably going to be in the ballpark of 10th or 11th. Does that mean he's cheap? Yeah, I already said he's cheap! But that doesn't mean he's nutting. Historically (before the 2019 tank) the Mariners have spent appropriately for their income. They just hadn't had a GM worth a damn since Pat Gillick left after 2003. Those historically bad offensive teams were actually very expensive for what they were. HOPEFULLY they get back to their old ways of spending appropriately (which would add about 50 mil in payroll).
awesome video on a tremendously important topic. 9:01 i often hear this trade called one of, if not the worst in recent history. it is a very bad trade for the pirates, but meadows is gone and sucks now and glasnow is quite good but yet to pitch more than 120 innings with the rays. i think there are way worse trades in the last ten years, like the alvarez trade, castillo from the marlins to reds, tatis jr for shields, swanson and inciarte for miller.
The most money Jerry Dipoto and the M's has spent on an offensive free agent during his 9 year tenure with the Mariners was Aj Pollock this past season for 7 million. That is just wrong. They have 2 pitchers making over 100 million and then Julios contract. Not much else committed to in the coming years. Pretty much malpractice. Very frustrating.
There needs to be a free agent floor quota. Where all MLB teams have to sign a number of free agents at a minimum of 15 million dollars total. Teams like the Oakland Athletics must be forced to spend at least 15 million on their free agents budget.
Players are employees, but they are "on screen talent", and it's good they can negotiate better deals, but they still work for a company. MLB just needs to be honest that it's entertainment, and so their team may not be financed nor geared to win nor be competitive. It's like my neighbor used to say: it's all big business."
@@CaptainHarris-ip2kg Still contract employees, if MLB did not have its antitrust exemptions they could have never taken the millions from Trevor Bauer that they did unless he was found guilty of abuse and he wasn't even charged. If they had kept Bauer suspended and never paid him part of his money automatic lawsuit, they didn't cancel his suspension out of the goodness of their hearts, they would have had to pay him his full contract or be in federal court. People ask me why I'm against a salary cap, it is because as long as MLB is a protected monopoly and can pay minor league players less than minimum wage for everything they are required to do they shouldn't have a salary cap. Curt Flood sued MLB for violating the constitution and MLB gave in before it went to the Supreme Court, why? They would have lost their exemption, but the Reserve Clause is still there until a player accrues enough time to reach free agency (which many never do) he is essentially property of the team. Look at how the Braves treated Kenshin Kawakami. I am a Braves fan and the way they treated him was pretty poor. He had some poor outings and was put in the BP and not allowed to pitch for 80 something innings then sent down to AA to get him to quit so they wouldn't have to pay him the $10 million or so on his contract when he signed on from Japan. For just goodwill purposes the Braves should have just released him and I don't know what Bobby Cox had against the guy, but he was set up to fail. Braves haven't been able to sign a player out of Japan since, they have long memories of the dishonor the Braves showed. Kawakami was just property and sent down to ride buses in Mississippi and they didn't get their $10 million either.
@@MountainFisher Well, it's like my neighbor said, it's all big business, which is why that pitcher got sent back down to the minors. I choose not to watch MLB games anymore, much less go to one. Where I live Bonds was the hot and controversial item. Any other regular human being in the US would have been brought before a judge, possibly sent to jail for steroid abuse, but I know no player whose ever been prosecuted for it. Nor even for assault and battery when charging the mound. Again, I don't go to games anymore for a variety of reasons. If people are willing to pay exorbitant ticket prices for a game, then that's the free market at work. It doesn't bother me, but I think people who get angry or upset because their team let a player go, or like in Oakland because the owner decided to move the team, ought to step back and think about what they're upset about. I used to watch football, baseball, some hockey, some NBA, but as much fun as I had I wish I had spent my money elsewhere. And FYI all the leagues use marketing data to decide what regions need to generate more interest in their team. It's part of the reason the SF 49ers play in San Jose and not at Candlestick anymore. It's the whole reason the A's ownership moved to Las Vegas. It's the whole reason San Diego lost the Chargers, and why the Raiders moved to LA for a time. So, ... whatever.
@@CaptainHarris-ip2kg The A's are not going to get the regional TV money in Vegas they received in the Bay Area, tens of millions of dollars a year. Market size is a big deal with TV money and when Fisher goes back to his penny pinching ways those seats will be empty except maybe on weekends.
Baseball has a huge Salary Issuse. Luxury tax is deep into the 200 Millions? Not even 15 Years ago, 100 Million was still a big number for a Team to spend...I know because I'm a Fan of the first team to spend 100 Million and Lose 100 games. This is why nobody competes anymore...
I know the owners are never going to agree to this, but the revenue sharing should include a stipulation that any money from the revenue sharing pool not spent on player salary is forfeited to MLB.
Is making it to the World Series the standard? If so, the Dodgers had 32 years even with their huge payrolls, between so-called WS titles. 26 years for the Braves, and we know about the Cubs and Red Sox stories). I say so-called because most everyone discounts the value of the 2020 Fishbowl "championship." The Dodgers spent 2 billion dollars in the Roberts era - without 2020 are they successful? Nobody cares about regular season wins except for the access to an ever-larger playoff pool, which dilutes the value of the regular season games. Although there are top teams in the 2000s (Red Sox, Giants), the championship is shared by lots of teams, including low-revenue teams (Royals, Marlins) and typically second-tier teams (White Sox, D-backs, Nationals).
I think I have a solution, but I know it would never be approved and I'm sure it would have it's own flaws... if a team receives money from revenue sharing and don't use all of it, they will get fined double what they received... that will force owners to use that money for what it's intended for.
Think about what you are saying. You're not thinking about the smaller market teams. If you're gonna make the smaller market teams spend their revenue money every year in fear of penalties, you're fucked. How are they supposed to be able to contend financial wise?
It's not rocket science. Keep costs to a minimum and profits go up in this case. Pretty obvious that tickets don't directly contribute because the A's can still profit despite having 5,000 a game, tops.
Unfortunately revenue sharing does not go far enough. There is still too big a difference between haves and have nots. You state the pirates made 100 million profit with the nut in a year their team salary was 73 million. That means a 173 million dollar payroll is the point where the team is operating in the red. In this day and age thats not enough to build a perpetual competitor when half a dozen teams are spending almost 2x as much.
I dont think it really is insulting to baseball. I think it is a part of the game that makes it special. There is nothing cooler than seeing one of these teams succeed and someone has to come in last place. There is a huge difference in what, say, the As are doing and what the Pirates are doing. The As are an embarrassment but not because they lose. Its a whole host of other reasons. No one thinks of the Pirates as an embarrassment.
How are these abominations some call people allowed to steal hundreds of millions of dollars right under our noses and not get called for being a cancer of the game itself is beyond me. If every owner did this, the whole game would collapse into irrelevance. If MLB actually cared about the game that they all get paid from you would THINK that there would be some standards to ensure that the Nutting phenomenon could not be tolerated in the first place. Socialism for the Rich, rugged Capitalism for the rest of us peons.
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Hear me out, teams owned by the fans. Each fan can vote to invest the teams money into different players/coaches, and then when their team sucks, they can't get mad because they chose the players
@@MellowNukesthis would be terrible😂
I wish that teams could get owners that really care about baseball instead of using the team to fuel their greed.
Right like seriously how much money do you really need? Another thing I can't stand is using government(our) money to build a stadium when the owners can easily pay for it on their own
As a rangers fan I’m so unbelievably lucky to have ray davis and chris young
Teams can’t really “get” owners, right? Isn’t that the whole problem? One owner sells it to the next, who, then tries their hardest to squeeze as much money out of it before selling it for a higher number.
It’s a business at the end of the day bud
It’s still about business. And business is all about money. I would totally gain capital by the way of the Nutting rule.
I’m glad you mentioned Mariners owner John Stanton & called him out. We know Seattle has challenges attracting free agents (most travel, home park not hitter friendly) but Mariners ownership just pockets the profits they gain but only invests in making Mariners game day attractive to the fair weather fans.
first team to introduce "Dynamic Pricing" at the gates; which is "pay *more* to see a good team beat the crap-less Ms." I've given up on the Mariners. I'd rather go to Tacoma or Everett and see a good game.
This is why MLB needs to be like the NBA & have a salary floor & for the free spenders a soft salary cap with a bunch of exemptions. Make the owners spend on the squad rather than pay players as little as possible
Players need to realize a salary cap with a floor will help them make more money.
The only way to get back at the owners/league is to refuse to buy tickets, pay to park, or watch on TV. If you get free tickets go, but don’t buy any $12 hot dogs.
Exactly
It’s truly sad what happened to the Rockies and A’s last season.
The Rockies spend money, they just suck
@@Chris-xt8iono they don’t, if they spent money they wouldn’t of given Nolan away for a hotdog and bud light. They would’ve resigned the best player they’ve had for decades
“nutting” oh hell nah 💀
That first 30 seconds was getting outta hand
Thanks for this video. It explains a lot about why some teams don't even try to field a decent team: Captive fans and that sweet sweet revenue sharing and luxury tax split.
you mean like the Cubs from 1908 to 2015? LOL
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To my fellow Seattle Mariners fans- if nothing changes this off season, we assemble and boycott. For real. Not another dollar to Stanton and his bullshit
Literally no one cares about the blue hair state
@@Tylerrrrrbyou can't even talk about baseball without bringing your politics into it, that's sad.
@@fuktrumpanzeeskum is it or is it not the blue haired state?
Implement a Nutting tax, like an inverse luxury tax: All teams that don't pay above a certain percentage of revenue on player salary pay the difference into a pool to be spread out among all MLB players evenly.
a lot of teams be nutting on their fans fr
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Lmao! I believe that is the correct usage of that phrase
As a Mariners' fan all of what you said is the whole truth, the owner makes a ton of money, and the M's have made the playoffs once in the last 22 years. Will the M's change their ways, spend some money and get a great free agent this offseason? I don't think that's likely. I'm not holding my breath about the M's making a World Series in my lifetime, I'm 71.
One year the Mariners had Ichiro hitting 3rd, I guess they wanted to see if he could break the Fielder's Choice record, with Adam Kennedy batting cleanup behind him.
And this year's offense was worse than that.
That clip at 6:14 is ridiculously funny
His "What?" right as it started made me cry laugh 😂😂😂
@@tanakid777 I didn’t even notice that the first time, perfect comedic timing😂😂😂
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MLB should institute a minimum payroll over a ten or fifteen-year span where if a team is under that total amount of money spent for the period of time, which is long enough to do a full-scale rebuild over, they have given away enough money to reach the line, plus and extra tax.
Or if you are under a yearly minimum you had to set aside the difference for future years that have to spent by a certain year. Let’s say the minimum is 85 mil and a teams salary is 55. The owner has to put 30 mil in a trust that year that has to be spent by a certain time. Making sucking profitable is hurting the game.
Rebuilds dont take 10-15 years lmao. Recently teams are rebuilding in sub 5 years
Holy crap THANK YOU for making this! I’m a Yankees fan but even when they’re good, it’s so frustrating seeing them play teams who PURPOSEFULLY suck
Stop with the big brother syndrome, Yankees suck really bad and they do this too lmao
Lmao stfu dude. You guys TRIED and sucked, there is no excuse there. Smh wow
While it's true that the Rays haven't won a title, they still put a good baseball product on the field. I really wouldn't include the Rays, a winning organization and a perennial contender, in with teams like the Pirates and Athletics. Since 2008 (the start of the modern Rays), the Rays have made the postseason nine times, won the AL East (the hardest division in MLB) four times, and played in the World Series twice. In the same time, the Pirates have made three postseasons, never won the NL Central, and didn't play in the World Series. The Athletics made six postseasons, won the AL West three times, and didn't make it to the World Series.
The Rays have sorta broken baseball, strategically and financially - but nobody else can replicate it. Seems like every year they turn 3 unknown or 'washed up' players into all stars. Easily the best run franchise in sports from a development and analytics perspective imo.
Irrelevant. They’re among the best teams in baseball every year. I’ll take that 162 sample over a more fluky playoff sample.
I looked it up and saw the Mets are operating at a 138 million loss. Makes me grateful for Steve Cohen, but this league is broken. Great video.
You are certainly framing the Mariners in a less than honest way.
Yes, 100% yes they should have spent more money, but the retoric that they intentionally rolled out an anemic offense is laughable.
Yes Teoscar Hernandez didn't hit tell for a middle of the order bat, but he easily had the worst year of his career. I don't think anyone predicted that.
They traded for Kolton Wong who, no was not supposed to be a stud, but a legitimate platoon partner for Dylan Moore. Wong also had a career worst season.
They signed AJ Pollock to platoon at DH and LF who ALSO had a career worst season.
Now how about the returning players.
Ty France also had a career low of a season after being an All Star in 2022.
Geno Suarez had his OPS+ drop by 28 points giving his worst offensive (healthy) season since 2016.
And finally, Tommy La Stella wasn't supposed to be the DH. This only happened because Taylor Trammell was injured in spring training and missed the beginning of the season. The plan was to rotate all of the outfielders through the DH spot.
Should they have signed/traded for another 1-2 bats? HELL YEAH!! Everyone was saying that at the time. But no one could have predicted, let's count now, 4 players to have career lows, and 1 to have his worst since 2016.
Let's not forget about all the predictions that had them as a borderline top 10 offense in baseball.
You normally have such great videos but man, I'm really disappointed with your framing here.
That's okay. We all make mistakes, and your next one will be a banger!
A month later. Robbie gone, Kelenic gone...still feel the same?
@@pray4us955 Yes I do. That's a stupid question. I'll bring out the crayons for you.
The Ray and Kelenic deals affect the 2024 team, not the 2023 team. It doesn't change the past. Also Ray was shipped out in exchange for a bat. I can keep going but I've wasted enough of my time.
The biggest power hitter in MLB history was not Babe Ruth, Barry Bonds, or Hank Aaron. The player who hit against the power structure the best was Curt Flood.
MLB did not want Flood's reserve clause=slavery case going to the Supreme Court.
Just include in the luxury tax a requirement that the funds transferred to teams must be spent on player payroll of free agents and the issue would be greatly reduced and allow small market teams to compete on a budget.
Would that not lead to bums being overpaid?
@@sparkyfister Doesn't matter, keeps the owner from pocketing it. I also think teams ought to take part of their share and spend it on minor league players. How many good players had to leave in the Minors because they get less than minimum wage? MLB losing its exemption would make it subject to federal wage requirements. 80 hours a week training, traveling and playing.
People hated on George Steinbrenner, but as an owner, the only things he cared about was winning and beating the Red Sox.
Either implement a salary floor or force a team to match the shared revenue in investments to players and facilities. Can't keep letting billionaires cry poor.
As a Mets fan, this hopelessness was how many of our fans felt with the Wilpons when they owned the team. At first they did spend but after being involved with Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme, they cut payroll, got a shady loan from MLB and the team did a half-assed rebuild. When the team surprised us all in 2015, they didn't spend big that offseason like the Phillies did in 2022 with Trea Turner. In fact, they didn't expect to bring Yoenis Cespedes back, but thank god they did. It's impressive the 2016 Mets even made the wild card game with how little the ownership invested into that team after making the WS the year before. It's only been a few years of Steve Cohen owning the team but the vibes feel completely different. Both on the field and behind the scenes investments are being made that we hope to eventually see a payoff for.
Mariners fans should be pissed their owner is letting some amazing pitching, a superstar in JRod and some good key role players be wasted as John Stanton cares more about a hefty profit. Any fanbase with ownership that solely care about profit and not on field success contributing to that profit deserve better. John Fisher is a disgrace.
Yeah, Cohen is nothing but good for the game though his FO has the intelligence of a toddler. But if there is a real desire to win at all costs and Cohen actually gets a baseball mind smart enough to make the dream a reality, it is only a matter of time before the Mets win it all.
Sometimes I wish MLB had promotion and relegation like English football to keep this from happening
No shout out to the terrible Jerry Reinsdorf and mu poor Chicagp White Sox???? Ouch. I guess they cant even "nutting" correctly.
Small market teams dont exist actually, most teams just pretend to be small market to not spend money
You can't have a smaller market than St. Petersburg, but the Rays consistently put out a good team while fans don't show up. Moving to Tampa won't fix it, if there are not enough fans in Mid-Florida to fill the Trop, stop blaming it on the location. They are not on an island 50 miles away. They're within 30 miles of Tampa suburbs plus the whole peninsula where Clearwater sits and just North of the Sunshine Bridge and half a million people down there. My son and I went to games from Englewood and Venice Beach. Ooh, took us an hour one way in congested traffic. I also lived up near Redington Shores and went down the uncrowded freeway several time for a 7:00 o'clock game. Stop complaining if you're a fair weather fan who can't stand a little traffic, but I bet most whiners don't even live there.
Love the vid. I do want to point out that saying that Verlander was traded for 3 players who never made it is false. The Jake Rodgers is the current catcher for the Tigers. He was the third player in that trade. 8:30
As interesting and annoying as the "Nutting" strategy is, I think you made this video just so you could say "Nutting" over and over again.
Well portrayed but it only works so long as local fans continue to support the team. Once that local support evaporates (and/or dies) then you have to build it back up again which takes years if not decades. In the case of the A's it's on purpose as the goal was to move to a bigger pot of suckers.
Backed by Manfred while Oakland has nearly a billion dollars for a new waterfront stadium the A's choose to pay rent in Vegas with $380 million in public money that Schools Over Stadium might remove $120 million of.
I Found Out Halfway Through The Video That The Pirates Owners Last Name Is Nutting 😅
I Thought This Whole Time You Were Using Nutting As A Metaphor That The Owner Was Fvcking The Fans Over & Nutting 🤣🤣🤣 I'm Hella Lit
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You put an odd emphasis on words at the end of SENtences.
They should make a cap on profits relative to the pay roll of the team so if your pay roll is 20min you can only get a profit of 5mil, 60mil pay roll for a 15mil profit, or something like that
So communism?
As a pirates fan I hate giving nutting any kind of credit BUT. To be faaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrr. Bob did extend ke’bryan hayes and Bryan Reynolds to long term extensions.
I HATE how cheap John Stanton (The Mariners majority owner) has been, but to be fair, he's not nutting. The Mariners don't receive revenue sharing, as they are a upper-mid market team.
While he is cheap, he isn't nearly as bad as some owners who spend less on payroll than they receive in revenue sharing.
The Mariners payroll this last year was 18th, and while we don't have the revenue figures yet, It's probably going to be in the ballpark of 10th or 11th.
Does that mean he's cheap? Yeah, I already said he's cheap! But that doesn't mean he's nutting.
Historically (before the 2019 tank) the Mariners have spent appropriately for their income. They just hadn't had a GM worth a damn since Pat Gillick left after 2003.
Those historically bad offensive teams were actually very expensive for what they were.
HOPEFULLY they get back to their old ways of spending appropriately (which would add about 50 mil in payroll).
Seattle is a small market, just like the O’s
@aidenawe9359 Sure, if the definition of small is anything outside of the top 8
awesome video on a tremendously important topic.
9:01 i often hear this trade called one of, if not the worst in recent history. it is a very bad trade for the pirates, but meadows is gone and sucks now and glasnow is quite good but yet to pitch more than 120 innings with the rays. i think there are way worse trades in the last ten years, like the alvarez trade, castillo from the marlins to reds, tatis jr for shields, swanson and inciarte for miller.
Ya, that trade at the time was a damn war crime. But it doesn’t look nearly as bad now as it did then. Still a bad trade though
The most money Jerry Dipoto and the M's has spent on an offensive free agent during his 9 year tenure with the Mariners was Aj Pollock this past season for 7 million. That is just wrong. They have 2 pitchers making over 100 million and then Julios contract. Not much else committed to in the coming years. Pretty much malpractice. Very frustrating.
There needs to be a free agent floor quota. Where all MLB teams have to sign a number of free agents at a minimum of 15 million dollars total.
Teams like the Oakland Athletics must be forced to spend at least 15 million on their free agents budget.
Players are employees, but they are "on screen talent", and it's good they can negotiate better deals, but they still work for a company. MLB just needs to be honest that it's entertainment, and so their team may not be financed nor geared to win nor be competitive. It's like my neighbor used to say: it's all big business."
Players who reach free agency are contractors not employees.
@@MountainFisher They still work for the company.
@@CaptainHarris-ip2kg Still contract employees, if MLB did not have its antitrust exemptions they could have never taken the millions from Trevor Bauer that they did unless he was found guilty of abuse and he wasn't even charged. If they had kept Bauer suspended and never paid him part of his money automatic lawsuit, they didn't cancel his suspension out of the goodness of their hearts, they would have had to pay him his full contract or be in federal court.
People ask me why I'm against a salary cap, it is because as long as MLB is a protected monopoly and can pay minor league players less than minimum wage for everything they are required to do they shouldn't have a salary cap.
Curt Flood sued MLB for violating the constitution and MLB gave in before it went to the Supreme Court, why? They would have lost their exemption, but the Reserve Clause is still there until a player accrues enough time to reach free agency (which many never do) he is essentially property of the team.
Look at how the Braves treated Kenshin Kawakami. I am a Braves fan and the way they treated him was pretty poor. He had some poor outings and was put in the BP and not allowed to pitch for 80 something innings then sent down to AA to get him to quit so they wouldn't have to pay him the $10 million or so on his contract when he signed on from Japan.
For just goodwill purposes the Braves should have just released him and I don't know what Bobby Cox had against the guy, but he was set up to fail. Braves haven't been able to sign a player out of Japan since, they have long memories of the dishonor the Braves showed. Kawakami was just property and sent down to ride buses in Mississippi and they didn't get their $10 million either.
@@MountainFisher Well, it's like my neighbor said, it's all big business, which is why that pitcher got sent back down to the minors. I choose not to watch MLB games anymore, much less go to one. Where I live Bonds was the hot and controversial item. Any other regular human being in the US would have been brought before a judge, possibly sent to jail for steroid abuse, but I know no player whose ever been prosecuted for it. Nor even for assault and battery when charging the mound. Again, I don't go to games anymore for a variety of reasons. If people are willing to pay exorbitant ticket prices for a game, then that's the free market at work. It doesn't bother me, but I think people who get angry or upset because their team let a player go, or like in Oakland because the owner decided to move the team, ought to step back and think about what they're upset about.
I used to watch football, baseball, some hockey, some NBA, but as much fun as I had I wish I had spent my money elsewhere. And FYI all the leagues use marketing data to decide what regions need to generate more interest in their team. It's part of the reason the SF 49ers play in San Jose and not at Candlestick anymore. It's the whole reason the A's ownership moved to Las Vegas. It's the whole reason San Diego lost the Chargers, and why the Raiders moved to LA for a time. So, ... whatever.
@@CaptainHarris-ip2kg The A's are not going to get the regional TV money in Vegas they received in the Bay Area, tens of millions of dollars a year. Market size is a big deal with TV money and when Fisher goes back to his penny pinching ways those seats will be empty except maybe on weekends.
Baseball has a huge Salary Issuse. Luxury tax is deep into the 200 Millions? Not even 15 Years ago, 100 Million was still a big number for a Team to spend...I know because I'm a Fan of the first team to spend 100 Million and Lose 100 games. This is why nobody competes anymore...
I know the owners are never going to agree to this, but the revenue sharing should include a stipulation that any money from the revenue sharing pool not spent on player salary is forfeited to MLB.
You do know that an MLB team has a lot of other expenses besides just player salaries, don't you?
“I’m sorry sir, he’s WHAT?”
great way to start the video
Nutting worse than cheap owners who have no passion for their fans or team.
I feel bad for fans of these teams. They deserve so much better
screw all of them they will never get a penny of mine I can watch high school baseball for free
I love the fact that Tommy LaStella is hitting @1:47
Braves legend
Well this video took the Mariners out of the Ohtani race for me
Why would ohtani go to the blue haired state
Is making it to the World Series the standard? If so, the Dodgers had 32 years even with their huge payrolls, between so-called WS titles. 26 years for the Braves, and we know about the Cubs and Red Sox stories). I say so-called because most everyone discounts the value of the 2020 Fishbowl "championship." The Dodgers spent 2 billion dollars in the Roberts era - without 2020 are they successful? Nobody cares about regular season wins except for the access to an ever-larger playoff pool, which dilutes the value of the regular season games. Although there are top teams in the 2000s (Red Sox, Giants), the championship is shared by lots of teams, including low-revenue teams (Royals, Marlins) and typically second-tier teams (White Sox, D-backs, Nationals).
That's why I call the Pirates, A's, Rockies, Royals and Tigers the AAAA level of the minor leagues.
I for one thing the split should be 60 for the players 40 for the teams and owners.
The Rockies. Zero emphasis on winning, ever.
Salary cap. Salary floor. Force the Nuttings to sell. No owner is bigger than the game.
Gotta say I was a little shocked when I clicked on the video and the first thing I heard was "nutting"
At first you be disappointed when you find out sports not about the fans then you realize it's a business
Good video.
Arte Moreno is a god at this
A salary floor may be the only fix... but it won't come without a cap and that will never happen.
No salary cap until MLB loses its Antitrust exemption. Paying players too much is not the problem.
I feel like teams shouldn’t get a share of the luxury tax if they are below a certain salary threshold
(Idk if that’s already a thing)
I think I have a solution, but I know it would never be approved and I'm sure it would have it's own flaws... if a team receives money from revenue sharing and don't use all of it, they will get fined double what they received... that will force owners to use that money for what it's intended for.
Think about what you are saying. You're not thinking about the smaller market teams. If you're gonna make the smaller market teams spend their revenue money every year in fear of penalties, you're fucked. How are they supposed to be able to contend financial wise?
Time for 50-50 control with the city if the city has to help pay for your stadium
As a Pirates fan, this sucks.
Next time you should add the guardians since Dolan has taken over.
This is probably a good video, but the way the narrator is putting emphasis on the last word of every sentence is putting me off.
Exactly. I enjoy the content but that cadence gets irritating. It's why I haven't subscribed.
1:25 what the hell is this, the UFC?
15:18 possum, but same energy tbh
It's not rocket science. Keep costs to a minimum and profits go up in this case. Pretty obvious that tickets don't directly contribute because the A's can still profit despite having 5,000 a game, tops.
Look how mature I am. I made it through the video without laughing once.
I didn't
Unfortunately revenue sharing does not go far enough. There is still too big a difference between haves and have nots. You state the pirates made 100 million profit with the nut in a year their team salary was 73 million. That means a 173 million dollar payroll is the point where the team is operating in the red. In this day and age thats not enough to build a perpetual competitor when half a dozen teams are spending almost 2x as much.
MLB needs a salary cap instead of the luxury tax and revenue sharing.
So the owners who now make great profits without spending money will make even greater profits spending even less money.
MLB needs more Steve Cohens
THIS IS WHY FISHER NEED SO SELL THE TEAM
Great way to start a vid in November 💀
crazy way to start a video 😭
NO ONE WILL TALK BAD ABOUT MIKE FORD
Easy fix: 5 years in a row sub .500 clubs forfeit their portion of the luxury tax income.
9:15 does anyone know where I can buy this cap
*The rockies have entered the chat*
Jake LaMotta started tanking
Rays made the World Series.
They lost to the Dodgers.
Would spending more money have gotten any of these teams a WS?
lol that was a opossum, not a raccoon 🦝
imagine if we had pro/rel
The inflection in this dude’s voice at the end of most of his sentences make his videos unwatchable. Awful
Shohei signing with the mariners regardless
I don't think he's leaving the large Japanese community in LA. I'd be surprised if he went to anyone, but the Doyers.
Just tell Fisher it’s NNN
That's, uh....not a racoon
buen video!, la explicacion de los terminos tecnicos y como ganan dinero perdiendo es terrible!
I dont think it really is insulting to baseball. I think it is a part of the game that makes it special. There is nothing cooler than seeing one of these teams succeed and someone has to come in last place. There is a huge difference in what, say, the As are doing and what the Pirates are doing. The As are an embarrassment but not because they lose. Its a whole host of other reasons. No one thinks of the Pirates as an embarrassment.
Its almost as if they got paid more if they did better would fix the issue.
N U T T I N G
Relegation and promotion
0:22
How are these abominations some call people allowed to steal hundreds of millions of dollars right under our noses and not get called for being a cancer of the game itself is beyond me. If every owner did this, the whole game would collapse into irrelevance. If MLB actually cared about the game that they all get paid from you would THINK that there would be some standards to ensure that the Nutting phenomenon could not be tolerated in the first place.
Socialism for the Rich, rugged Capitalism for the rest of us peons.
I'm not an Astros fan but I find it humorous how they are the only team in baseballs current days to be accuse to profusely of cheating
nut
Salary Floor please