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This fella seems very genuine and honest. I like that
I read this with an australian accent i don't know why but it happend..
Unlike american scum democrats
:NO bloody clue how they do in snow"... best comment i have heard in a while
Not all snow is equal. That could be a whole other video. Here in the US there are different tires sold in different areas. And some people keep a complete second set already mounted on rims just for severe winter weather. In most cases if studded tires are legal in an area, they are only legal during winter months.
I've got three sets of wheels for my Toyota Land Cruiser: MTs, ATs and winter tyres. MTs are terribly dangerous on snow, they don't have much traction and when you need to brake hard or enter a curve too fast you're likely to crash. ATs are OK on snow but not great. In the winter (I live in Germany) I put on my winter tyres which have a lot of grip on snow. When I visited a client in a ski resort where they don't plow the roads I could easily drive uphill from a stillstand in 2 WD. When buying in Europe make sure you have the snowflake symbol on the tyre, not just M + S like my ATs have. Some countries in Europe have made it mandatory to use winter tyres in the cold season.
Facts
Ronny's honesty is far more important that supposition & ........'I read somewhere........' 🤠👏👏👏👍
@@BillHartCooks. we have the wet sticky snow cloggs the treads up
IDK if you will see my comment because the video is older, but I live in a snowy climate, I'll tell you that the M/T tires are not too bad in fresh snow. Fresh snow only though! Like I'm talking basically first tracks fresh snow. Once that snow packs down and turns to ice on the road, they are garbage. No grip at all, especially if they don't have any sipes in them. The A/T tires are much better on ice and do just as good in fresh snow also. This is mainly due to the fact that most A/T tires have a few sipes in the treads. If you are using four-wheel drive on icy roads either tires isn't too bad, but you slip more with the M/T tires. But the thing about snow and ice is no matter what type of tire you have (not including snow tires), you have to drive like a grandma in order to not slide into the car in front of you or off of the road, even if you are using 4x4. It's just easier to start moving in 4x4, but stopping is mostly all the same regardless of tire type.
Now, regarding snow tires, since it doesn't snow where you live: A snow tire or studded snow is always best on icy conditions (studded are slightly better because they dig into the ice), and the results are dramatic in the improvement of your handling over an all season or other tire. This is because the rubber compound is softer and there are tons of sipes in the tires that help the rubber grip into the ice. Chains are a whole another story, and they are the best for hard packed snow and ice, the only downside (besides the time to put them on, haha) is you can't go faster than about 30mph. You can get the same effect with chains even if you are running a non-snow tire. I've never gotten stuck in snow or unable to travel up a steep icy hill when I've had tire chains on. I live at a high altitude where it snows a lot and have used all season, M/T, A/T, snow tires, and use chains all the time, so that's how I know the information. Hopefully my comment wasn't too long and that it helps you understand a little bit.
Greetings from the state of Utah, United States.
Great info Chris... just a further tip from someone that does a lot of winter wheeling here in Alaska.
On Mud Terrain in winter... They are superior to All terrain in deeper snow. You can can get them siped (best on new tires before they are ever used on road). Siping your MT's does two things... increases your traction on hardpack snow and ice, but the downside is it reduces longevity, as the tread will wear faster as a consequence. You can also get them studded, which also can be an aid on that hardpack/ice, but often is illegal to run in the summer months. So check local laws on studded tires before you go that route. I have actually found siped Mud Terrains better in some circumstances than a dedicated snow tire in deep snow. But the inverse is also true on hardpack and ice, where the Snow Tire is better than the MT's.
@@sorenmelchior Very true! I have used my M/T in deeper snow before and they do very well. Never considered siping though, might give that a try some time.
This is why I’m so happy my Jeep came with chains, however I use them like maybe twice a year...
What about decreased traction on paved roads when running studded tires?
Iffykid Mn not a big deal
Then we come to snow... Ain't got a bloody clue. Love it.
Many AT tyres are better in snow surprisingly.
i always found in snow the tire matters less and the drivers ability matters more
@@n386cp4 yes and no, tire tread and wear always makes a difference but you definitely have to know how to drive in snow to take advantage of that difference. If you're shit at it you can have the world's best winter tire and still slip and slide all over the place.
Cleared road: Skinny Nordic Winter tires with 3MPSF. Studded if you excpect ice. Shallow wet, sticky snow and/or really steep hills: Any skinny tire with chains. Not cleared road with snow to deep to drive thrue: Fat big MT's with max. 15 PSI.
And the compromise is fat big studded Nordic Winter tires with 3MPSN, and chains with you that can be fitted when you need them. Still go for low pressure when the snow gets to deep and you need to float atop.
Depends on if the AT tires are rated for snow or not. If not they're like driving around with summer tires in snow/ice. Also, if you have a heavy AT tire like a light truck tire which typically are a 6 ply but some are 8 or 10 ply the compounds are so hard it takes a long time driving to get them warm enough to actually provide decent traction in snow/ice that's how the BFG TA KO's were that I had on my truck, they were 8 ply tires they took forever to warm up enough to start giving any sort of traction, they were worse than the Michelin street tires that came with my truck LOL...the only huge downfall with the Michelin tires is I swear they installed magnets in them at the factory because they attracted every metal object into them it seemed LOL.
I'm running a set of Cooper Discoverer A/T3 4S tires on my Jeep and they've been doing great in snow/ice but they are snow rated which is why I got them, they're an all terrain tire and I got the XL ones which are a heavier load range tire more along the lines of a LT tire than the regular P (passenger car) rated tires. They ride great, provide great traction (even better if you lower the tire pressures to about 30PSI for winter use).
Thing about A/Ts is that its an extremely broad category of tire. The ones here look hardly any more aggressive than a normal road tire. There are many all terrain tires on the market that have more aggressive tread and bridge the gap between A/T and M/T. There will always be a compromise and pros and cons to any tire but with A/T tire selection being so vast, I don't think it's right to generalize like this without specifying how different A/T tires can be. Some can do pretty damn well in mud and rock without having to sacrifice as much performance on the street, sand, ect.
Thanks Ronny. It was a really great way to explain the differences for the right reasons. Practical advise with technical info is always what I listen to. Don’t get me wrong, Shauno and the boys get a lot of play but one thing I noticed, and I think they have too now, is they weren’t using the gear they were promoting on their own rigs. That and when they all decided to upgrade to one brand for everyone of “insert product here”. Now I get it! When you have sponsors you have contractual obligations to meet. I still watch them because every now and then the good ol boys show up and it’s fun to see them having fun. If I needed an unbiased objective opinion I always head here first. Thanks for all the work you put in to make a show that you can be proud to say gives honest reviews. Get out bush now the borders have dropped and shoot us all a quick g’day while your doing it. Just avoid: flood, landslide, drought, cyclone, hurricane, twister, earthquake, tsunami or other, similar life threatening situations. Shit… Sorry mate, go sit in the shed with a beer…🤣
A/T? They look like street tires.
I had those pirellis on my forester and are more like 50/50 where as the A/T plus ones are something like 70/30
Around here you really benefit from winter tires. Years ago, I got tired of paying for a shop to change my tires twice a year, so I bought a set of steel wheels for the winter tires. It is now one of the first things I buy for every vehicle I own. Changing tread is as simple as a roadside tire change. When I finally learned the joy of getting off the pavement, it was natural for me to just buy another set of wheels and tires.
Most of my driving is pavement and good gravel roads, then once a quarter I get a good excursion in and like to take a 7-14 day trip once a year if I can. I switch between all-terrains and winter tires (Bridgestone Blizzak) for daily driving and the easy weekend trips, but throw the knobbies on when it is time for adventure/play.
I highly recommend getting a set of wheels for each set of tires you run. Having the right tires for the conditions makes all the difference and this approach makes changing your shoes that simple.
I used to run studded tires in winter but recently I've switched to Bridgestone Blizzak. Its been a few seasons and so far I really like them. Being stud-less, I can chain up when the going gets really ugly. For winter tires, I've found it best to be on the narrower side which helps penetration. Factory width is usually about good. Floaters only come into play once the white stuff comes past your knees/axles or you're doing glacier crossings.
I'm running toyo open country all-terrain. go offroad once in a while, they're surprisingly alright on mud and clean itself pretty good..
I go of road as part of my job, into really remote areas. Depending on where I go I use either 10ply Toyo open country or 14 ply cross ply. The main thing to watch is tyre pressures. The Toyo open country's come between A/T and muddys, lot of mining companies are using them.
I know this video is several years old. Still very relevant information. Helped me better understand the differences between the types of tyres. I was still torn between which type to get, but was happy to settle on Cooper S/T Maxx hybrid tyres. I liked that they're a bit more aggressive than All Terrain but not as extreme as Mud Terrain. Previously I've bought BFG All Terrain T/A KO2 and was happy with them, but wanted to try something different. So far so good, not too noisy. And I have a set of studded winter tyres to get me through the worst 2-3 months of winter.
I work in the tire industry. ..M/T stands for maximum traction !
There’s always one expert in the bloody audience 😂😂😂
Not Muddy Terrain?
I was going to comment that!
What is AT then ?
A/T🤷?
Great video, I semi regret not buying muddies...
I enjoyed and learnt a bit with your cleaning vid.
Can you do a video on 4wd mainenance...like what to grease, keep an eye on tighten this and that, suspention check etc... I'd appreciate the knowledge
You forgot about the "looks" between these two... The Mud Terrain kicks ass in this department on any Truck or SUV.
I reckon the BFG All Terrain is a pretty sexy looking tyre.
This is the best channel I've found for learning more about 4x4's. I really appreciate your work! :)
no problem mate, this video is getting on a bit might rewatch and see if its worthy of an update.
Very good review. One thing I could add will be grip on wet tar, where the Bridgestone M/T I used was really bad - very little grip, which makes sense since you have less tyre on the tar. I think that is another situation where in general the A/T will be better. No reason to not choose M/T - just be very mindful of it when driving in the rain on tar.
I'd consider the all terrains you had as street slicks
Mountain_Man same, i have bfg all terrain ko2s on my discovery, and my dad has bfg mud terrain mt2s on his. My A/Ts look like his mud tires, and my dads m/ts are way knobbier
@@triddle5593 Same, i was especting a comparasion between 2 BF's, their style of AT it's not the same as any other tire i know.
@@alvaros.5219 nah mate. the Maxxis AT980s nearly look identical
@@jacksonfreeman7356 Yeah you're right, just looked up some photos and it's thread looks pretty good to be a AT actually, i'd still choose the BF AT KO2 tho as it's sidewall have a more agressive look imo.
@@alvaros.5219 I know what you mean. id take the Maxxis over the BFG purely because im a huge supporter of Maxxis, but I guarantee you'd get more Kms out of the BFGs
I do roughly 60% dirt road and offroad vs tar road and here is my 5cents worth: MT generally performs better in all conditions except wet hardtop and snow. MT with agressive thread pattern such as BFG and Cooper are prone to uneven lug wear if run under manufacurers recommended pressures but that is the trade off you have to make to keep all your fillings in your teeth and vehicle parts on the vehicle. High end MT and AT tyres are a lot heavier than the more road based variety (up to 8kg per tyre) and increase unsprung weight and fuel consumption BUT a heavier tyre with a 3 ply sidewall such as BFG, Cooper and Goodyear Wrangler MTR (Not Goodyear ATs) is a must for punture resistance. Federal Couragia like on the video has a ridge running along where thread meets sidewalls and that directs thorns INTO the tyre. Pressure pressure and pressure are the 3 most important factors once you have the right tyre and dropping it to around a bar can get you out of amazing situations. Driving fast on hardtop without re-inflating can get you INTO some not so amazing situations. Resist going too large as the trade offs are equally large and 265/75 is more than enough most applications. Exception that comes to mind is V8 Cruisers that benefit from larger tyres as it stretches the short 5th gear a bit. After selecting the right tyre buy a good guage and fit an onboard compressor before any other assesories. Next look at high end replacement suspensions FROM AUSTRALIA because tyres and suspension transform a vehicle. Great info Ronny.
I have A/Ts on mine, it took 2 hours for me to get through 1 km of mud patch compared to 5min of my friends similar configured cruiser with M/Ts. It was fun though... Still has to stick with them as I only go off roading twice a year. Nice video..
Drove my Nitto Trail Grappler M/T's this winter and I found they were surprisingly good in the snow. Unfortunately, that snow eventually gave way to ice, and they were sketchy as hell.
I went from Bridgestone HT's to Hankook Dynapro MT's. Hardly any extra noise. Surprised to notice heaps more grip on wet roads. Extra lift on the vehicle and looks way more aggressive. Looks is a factor. Also the peace of mind having strong sidewalls with rocks.
The best M/T vs A/T tyre review so far
I really appreciate that Ronny is honest about not knowing about snow. Some guys would have BS'd the audience, Ronny told the truth.
For the record, though, M/Ts are pretty shit in snow and A/Ts are better, basically for the same reason they differ in mud. In the snow you actually want the tire to hold as much snow as possible between lugs since snow on snow gives more grip than rubber on snow. Mud tires will hold next to no snow, whereas A/T tires hold much more in the narrower gaps and sipes, providing a lot more grip. For those of us in colder, snowier climates, like here in Colorado that means we need to make a trade-off between mud and rock performance and snow performance.
Highly recommend Maxxis Bighorns. Had a set on my rig for 70,000km and still had enough tread to get me probably another 10k on road, however off road performance was starting to suffer. Had these tyres over thousands of km on fast gravel roads, mud, sand, you name it. Excellent M/T tyre. Price still is pretty good on these.
I came here to see how they perform on snow 😂😂😂
I have 31 inch super swampers on my jeep Cherokee and it's the loudest tires you'll ever hear going down the road. (Kinda like the noise tho)
Hello, thanks for the video. Only thing I would add in the comparison is breaking distances, some people drive fast when on road, above 100km/h mud terrain needs much more distance to stop. In Argentina you might drive 1500km to your final vacations/off road destination, if you can, bring 2 MUD tyres in the box the way farmers used to do in the past with the old F100's single traction.
I only drive my truck on the pavement to the mall, so obviously I need the biggest and most expensive mud-terrain available. Thanks for the help Ronny!
Mud terrain work great in the snow. Best to air down like you would in sand. Works great for me. Nice video once again.
+Andrew Kumler thanks buddy, maybe one day I will get to go wheeling in the snow...
+Andrew Kumler I'll agree with Andrew, mud terrain tires work great in the snow...not incredible on ice, but pretty much no tires work well on ice (except for studs and/or chains). I would have to disagree slightly with your video though, mud tires are not great on pavement...at least not on wet pavement. I would given them an "ok" rating at best for pavement for the simple fact that as soon as it rains, they are kind of crap.
+Andrew Kumler In deep snow yes but as a winter tire they are worthless, on hard packed snow they are like a hockeypuck. Im getting BFG at's for my patrol this winter they are approved for winterconditiones up here in scandinavia will be interesting.
In my experience no tires work well in hard packed snow. I have never tried a dedicated snow tire though. Studded tires work really well on packed snow and ice but I've never been able to justify the cost due to living in an area that gets little snow.
Jason Moyle
Im sorry I hurt your feelings, I thought I was on the world wide web and not on a local network in who know where. Apologize.
Once the cat appeared at 1:18 this video got an insta like! even before i finished the video!
+djamac360 Jeffy seems to be a very liked cat ;)
+Ronny Dahl (4 Wheeling in W.A.) Ronny, great site. Here in the U.S. Tire Rack provides millions of customer reviews and many are vehicle specific. Sports car drivers have used them for decades and dealers do as well. Perhaps, the information will be of help. - Ken
djamac360 hahaha I almost turned it off like ohhh he’s a cat guy greeeeat but it was a great video glad I watched to the end lmao
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@@zed5129 The lion said the same about your dog 😂
98 Jeep TJ wrangler here. I run 35" Toyo MTR tires with 4.56 gears with an ax-15 tranny. The 13.5" width kills me on the highway, but on the beach and trails, I am a BEAST. Nothing can stop a wide MT. If you drive every day, the tires are loud as sin, and vibrate a bit at speed. That being said, you need to run MT if you jeep like a Boss. AT tires are just a compromise for road noise if you plan to wheel.
I have had many sets of truck tires over the past 50 Years! My first truck was a 1970 Chev. reg cab, 8' box RWD ! I ran the old bias ply / nylan , RWD 6 ply tires as a couple of the lakes I fish is rough as hell to get into. I"ve only seen mostly 4x4 on the trail. The second truck I bought new in 1975, Reg cag 8' box, 3 on the tree RWD, used same tires (6ply bias). For a few years in the 70's I had a # of pickup trucks with RWD and stayed with heavier lug tires. In 1985 bought full size Jimmy 4x4 and have stayed with 4x4 ever since: 1979 GMC 4x4, 1996 Chev 4x4, 1999 Ford Supercab XLT 4x4. Bought a 2012, Ram Laramie double cab,4x4 and upgraded to 2015 Ram Laramie Double cab 4x4. I really don't remember hoew many sets of tires I've been through... I bought my 1999 in 2001 and drove it for 11 years, had over 400,000 KM before I bought my 2015. I have had C/T tires, Uniroyal, BF Goodrich, Goodyear, Toyo, Michelin and so on. I run the same tires year round on my truck. I have found the old 6 ply 750 / 15 better on rock ok in snow with weight in the box. My choice for all round is GY Wrangeler with Kevlar, and the Michelin LTX M&S the best wearing tires I have 98,000 KM on them, the rears are pretty well done, maybe get the remaining summer from them, the front tires may be good for anoth 10,000Km but, will put a complete new set of tires on before the snow flys. May try the Hercules X- Venture this time as they are a bit more aggressive and carry a 100,000KM warranty! I have found over the years that harder the rubber the easier the tire will spin on wet pavement, ice and snow! I think it is very hard to find the perfect year round tire up here in Northern Ontario. I am anxious to try out the new Hercules AT X-VENTURE...
Lol love the snow part of the review. Appreciate the honesty
Did anybody else notice that curious little cat?
he was supervising
Cute
He was wondering why is his human talking to his tires. Tried to get attention from them. Maybe they'll pet him. :)
Middle aged plumber, 30 year 4x4 enthusiast both work and play. Have lived 70 feet off 30 miles of remote QLD beach for the past 20 years. I'm on soft sand pretty well every single day - Iv used most tires over the years and while I feel that while this was a helpful, accurate video and appreciated I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that all terrain are MILES better on soft sand than muddies.
There's the old Foam biscuit esky lid, We are choosing tyres at the moment! this is an extremely helpful video! those tyres must have been giving off a bit of static electricity by the looks haha
cheers mate great to see how your production has changed over the years too!
Road noise? Humming tires is like music to my ears..
louder the better ;)
I always hear Seven Nation Army
Mud Terrains are good in fresh and deep snow. Snow pack and icy conditions, the AT has the advantage.
no the skilled driver has the advantage the tire means very little in the snow tbh.
Both tires are not good on snow covered roads, the tire compound is way too hard in cold conditions. If you go very slow, an at tire can work but always use winter tires.
Can't thank you enough for your honesty and input with all of your reviews. Love it and will take all on board. Hope you visit the NT soon
Depends on the thread pattern and brand too. Some all terrains have more of an aggressive pattern, while some have more of a street tire profile. I run Toyo Open Country 35"s on my F150. They do great offroad. Had no problems at all even in sand dunes with a good amount of wear on them.
Ran toyo a/t's years ago on my gmc k1500, needed a little more wheel speed but they cleaned out good in mud and excelled in sand.
Nice video mate. I usually tend towards A/Ts where I go 4wding because the majority of the terrain is sand. I have a mate with M/Ts on a gq patrol and my D40 Nav tends to go further on soft sand with the Maxxis A/Ts. However I am looking at getting a more aggressive A/T like the BFG tyres because I do still miss the traction sometimes. Anyway, top stuff again.
4:42 cat videos now? Lol. Great video Ronny!
Ronny, Canadian driver who does off roading. Mud Terrain tire performance in snow is dependent on the type of snow. Cold powdery snow is closer to sand in the type of traction performance, while warmer slushy and heavy snow is more like mud. However, once you dig down to the ice then you need studs or chains.
as for snow, i can say for me and my mates i Norway, we use 33", 35" and 38" M/T All year through on our MB G-Wagens. we have them "seiped" that is making the threads cut so they get a snow tire effect and they work very good both in deep snow and ordinary road use. i currently use the M/T pictured in your video on 33"/20" rims on my G. Federal Couragia 12,5x33x20". very satisfied.
I think if you use your 4x4 as a daily driver like I do then you should get all terrain
I agree
True cause MTs are loud. Lol.
mts or nothing
Captain Chaos yes but mud terrains if you’re mall crawling
Nah the whirring of the M/T ads 50n/m of torque.
BFG Allterain T/A best by far for versatility and tread wear. last winter my BFGSs killed it in the snow.
+darter1075 the ko2 have certainly impressed me
Used to be a BFG A/T fan until 80 mph blow out in desert. Have run Hankook Dynopro 10's for more than 4 yrs and can say they perform excellent AT and wear very evenly. I have 50k miles on mine and they still have tread.
I have 33” Mud Teriens tires on 2018 Jeep Jk Wrangler. They’re awesome in snow, mud, gravel . I have 66’000 km on these tires with 5/16 milometers tread left on roughly each.these are 6 ply tires.i go mainly on gravel but live next to forestry trails which i use to get to secondary highways.
I just found this video. New to 4x4 from the Northwestern US. Literally every video in the suggested videos on the right from your channel answers questions that I have had since the start. Subscribed!
I used both BFG AT and MT in snowy conditions. The AT works very well until the snow gets very deep. The MT works superbly on snow and doesn't get defeated by deep snow.
i want to buy tires for snow whay should i buy ?
+Moaweya Alhmoud Vredestein Wintrac 4 Xtreme are the best snow tyre on the market. I've had these on my Range Rover p38 for 3 years now. Absolutely brilliant in all winter and summer conditions. They stick to the road like glue. What car do you drive.
+Moaweya Alhmoud duratracs
OK,Thanks for your advice.I'm searching for new tyre's for my Range Rover p38 so I'm gathering info. Brilliant help and thanks again. Mark.
just for the people reading this, if you do have M/Ts or A/Ts just have extra precaution when driving on icy or wet pavement; especially if you drive a heavier vehicle. Great tires offroad means less ground contact on road and that means less grip. On dry ground in my experience A/Ts would perform better than muds even if you're driving a 2 ton vehicle
Love the cat video bomb at 4:42 lol . Great vid.
Great video, thanks. I have BF AT Ko2 on my Hilux. So far, snow, mud, floods, grass, rock and roads without even airing down have been a fit and forget best option. Cheers. D
man i dont see why so many thumbs down for this video. i think it is a great reality video on what to get. here in the states I see so many " mud" tires on pavement queen truck that never see dirt. maybe they should of watched this video first. good work.
Thanks this video still helps in 2019.
It's very good information. But you forgot a serious safety issue, wet pavement. Mud Terrains are dangerous on wet, cold, or icy roads!
Mike Duckworth I have a set of Firestone Destination M/T's and I've dealt with torrential downpours and they grip very well haven't had them break loose (unless I intentionally caused it) and they regain traction very quickly
This is a compound issue and would vary depending on the brand of tyre and even the modle as some manufacturers make several MTs with in their range.
He didn't forget. He mentioned snow on the list he had with both A/T & M/T. He made it that he had no idea about it since hes from Australia and has never driven on snow or ice.
I've had toyos mud terrain tires for several years and they've done great in snow storms and blizzards. Blizzards of Wisconsin and Minnesota countryside ain't a joke. To be fair for my 2012 GMC 2500 with a flatbed and I have several tool boxes. Five tool boxes in the center a very large tool box and two tool boxes on each the sides. So my weight is distributed well and I wont slip.
@@gregoryrose13 yeah i love my MT's when its raining hard. It's almost impossible to get them to hydroplane because of how deep and wide the tread is. Compared to my mustang or even my old van, those things would hydroplane if i looked at a puddle the wrong way. they were just everywhere. Mt's just don't care
A/T tyres vary in tread pattern a lot, from almost street tyres to almost muddies. I run Kumho Road Venturers atm, and so far they are great off road.
MT in snow are great! Cheers from AK in Michigan, USA
Snow-
mud terrain=youregonnadie
All terrain=yourestillgonnadiebutmaybesurvive
Snow tire=youmightnotdieoryoumightdie
Best answer I have read in a while.
Only one thing to clarify. All terrain is better to survive in snow, cause you are not going anywhere.
Mud terrain will get you up to speed, and then you die..
From Norway, stay safe, use winter tires in the winter.... 👍👍😃
I run M/T about 3k miles a year in snow/ice and they handle great in 2 Wheel and its like I'm on rails in 4 High in my Xj
I sipe M/ts, I know it can reduce life, but its helped more than hindered. highway is hard pack snow/ice, or if one is driving through a snow storm between the hours of 9pm and 5 am mostly snow. (wyoming)
Jason M, "our" conditions, not "know are conditions"... Also, guy who made the video says "tyres" but it's TIRES. Funny you inbred sailors got lost and went all illiterate in the South Pacific when you went 180* from England, now we Mexicans know your language BETTER than you. After wee take over America, we'll come to Oz and TAKE "YOUR JOBS." If the lazy Muslims don't get you 1st.
If you have a manual transmission in your 4x4 and half way decent A/T's you're fine.
Any tire with decent tread AT or MT will do fine in snow, it's when there is ice under it that makes the difference. Mud terrain suck on ice, all terrain tend to have better traction on ice, especially when siped.
I agree. Hate it when cal trans scrapes the road down to the ice. Far better traction when there is a little snow then when they plow down to the ice under the snow. I run AT's that are siped. Still thinking of getting extra set of rims for studded winter tires. Hwy 3 here is a pain to drive in the winter.
BUCK MASTERSON 6363 bfg m/t we have them and they are great in snow but there are better tires for ice out there
Hi Ronny,
I have now done 2 trips into Europe about 7000 miles using Yokohama Geolandar A/T-S, dry tarmac very good wet roads/Deep water very good and good on fuel, SNOW very good just dropping pressure to 15psi, Sand very good 18psi NO lower as keep coming off rims, rocks ok but some slip on deep mud they not the best M/T every time. Very good for wear as long as you rotate. Like the info videos keep up good info. ATB
the bfg all terrain ko2 have been a fantastic winter snow tire for me . even better the the original bfg all terrain . they are not good in mud though, but that's a given. great video ronny!
Anyone else see that cute little kitty
Mary Poppins no
true all terrains will do well in mud the terra grappler does extremely well Ive had 3 sets and the BFGoodrich KO series does good too
Kyle Holmes yeah, the all terrain he had honestly looked more like a slick
Kyle Holmes Yeah, I was surprised at the AT tire he showed. that is far closer to a street tire than an actual AT. Terra Grapplers look much more like that MT, and I've had the same experience with mine. Wet red clay is really the only time I've had trouble with them filling up, but I suspect thise mts wouldn't do a whole lot better either.
Kyle Holmes the Nitto Terra Grappler is more like a mud tire. I like those aa well but wear down to fast for me.
I came here blank, looking for basic information, and you gave it all to me, now I have better understanding for which tire and why at that particular moment. Thank you for your great video man! I drive a small toyota aygo, first car, and wanted to know what tires to buy to replace the current set, I already have 75 000km on the clock and this set still look great for another trips. So thank you!!!
Nitto Ridge Grapplers- between a mud terrain and an all-terrain tire. Great for your rig that is also your daily. I love ‘em.
I've been driving 4wd's in the snow since 1987 and A/T's are way better than M/T's, better siping on A/T tires really helps!
AT tyres are much better on snow than MT. The lugs on MT tyres are too big to get traction. I'v tested BFG MT on snow with my '87 Hilux... Not good. Propper wintertyres has alot of small grooves to get traction on snow. We also have studs or spikes in the tyres for traction on ice :-) thanks alot for your videos! I realy want a 79 series LC. too bad we dont get them in Norway :-(
+narvik01 thanks for the insight with snow and ice driving, STUDS and SPIKES! sounds like the ultimate for ice!
It depends on how hard the snow is packed. If you're talking about already driven roads then yes an AT is better. If fresh snow, deep enough that the tire isn't pushing through to an ice layer under it, or the ground was cold enough that there is no ice under it, and it's not pavement, then MT work better.
This! Snow tires and their many small grooves are made to disperse the water btwn ice and rubber. I personally thought Blizzaks outperformed studs in Colorado (on our other vehicle.) And the studs really left ruts in the roads.
Also the Rubber is way softer in cold conditions to get more grip... So a proper winter tire is essential when you go on 4x4 in Winter...
Greets from Austria
I have had several tires on my trucks from Nitto Terra Grapplers, Mickey Thompson MTR, Dick Cepek, Firestone Destinations, and now my favorite of them all the Cooper ST MAXX. The Cooper ST MAXX is a great all around tire and looks good too!
also when considering AT tires... they range wildly from stuff like that pirelli which is far more like a road tire to much more aggressive patterns that can start to blue the line between AT and MT (Goodyear Duratrac is a good example of blurring the line)
how is a mud terrain better on rocks? An all terrain has more surface area to grip the rock, especially when aired down. i just did a trail with two other jeeps. It was very steep and rocky and I had the least amount of slippage. They were running mt's and I had AT's.
+Drooskee Skee tyre pressure, how they are driven, how worn they are and type of vehicle all come into play. My personal experience the bigger gaps and the aggressive side biters help a lot. I found less grip and more rock rash was damaging both my rims and Tyres when I used ATs
i dont know with A/T tire since i never tried them but i found that on a mud tire the thread block some how is weaker and you can easily lost a chunk of thread block on a rocky road...
There are definitely A/T's such as the Duratracs that break the mold on MT VS AT. They are almost Hybrids.
Drooskee Skee I guess it depends on the size of the rocks and how loose they are I had bf Goodrich m/t's and I played alot in mud and rocky river beds as well as climb steep hills with rocks the size of a V6 motor and I did fine never slipped or bounced around I did make the rookie mistake and did not air down my tires a few time but still never had any issues it just depends on the size of rock/ bolders and the size of the tires one is running verses the weather and the terrain wetness and if there's alot of lose sand/dirt/gravel
Rocks depends on what kind of rocks. For the rocks displayed in this video which is mixed, small-medium, part loose, then totally agree that MTs are better than ATs. However with huge rocks, boulders, ledges, ie, 'rock crawling', the ATs catch up very quickly, and either one will be fine.
not all A/T tires are setup like your tire on the right.
A perfect example is BFG KO2's.... enough gap to give M/T's a run for their money.
TheSkiingJeep and they are actual snow tires as well, which makes I chooses them
bfg can and do go bang on the hi way my sons went bang just after passing a truck and rolled it car he was lucky another man cam to see me and he had damaged his car as the bfgs had gone bang. so not for me
"Snow? no bloody idea about snow!" XD Had me cracking up
As someone looking at a 70 series for three people on camping trips, maybe you could do an overview of 76-78-79 showing access to the rear, how easily or not you can get in the rear seats of a 5 seat troopy for a big dog or kid, under rear seat space and what's possible to put there (water tank?) for any of them, how much space behind the seats 76-78 to make storage or sleeping possibilities?
You show these things generally, but using a tape measure on film to show how each Modified has used the space would allow comparing of actual storage volumes to compare between builds and vehicles?
Lovin your stuff as eva :)
The discussion about what tires are suitable for use in winter and snow is actually quite complicated. Character of the snow, temperature, the size and shape of snow and ice crystals are just some things that matter. There is a big difference between dry powder snow in minus 45 degree centigrade and packed wet snow in plus 2 degree centigrade. After more than 30 years as a professional driver and 4WD enthusiast in the Arctic I think I know what I'm talking about.
Tire manufacturers who recommend their tires for use in snow provide their tires with a special symbol, 3PMSF (Three Peak Mountain Snowflake). There are not many MT tires with this symbol; however there are some AT tires with 3PMSF. It is not just the tread of the tires that matter but also the rubber compound. Most tires become too hard for acceptable grip in snow already at plus 5 degrees centigrade.
The Scandinavian Tire & Rim Organization has a website where you can find a lot of good information about tires for winter and snow. Personally I’m very satisfied with General Grabber AT2 on my 4x4 vehicles. These tires are allso prepared for studs.
I found that the BFG T/A KO2 gets the job done nicely in snow. I live in the snow belt in Ohio and we tend to see a lot of snow, so the fact that they are highly regarded as a "do all" tire seems quite comforting, especially while driving the kiddos around.
I don't know anything about the 3PMSF but absolutely agree on the complications of snow driving - it depends, depends depends - temps, thickness, old-vs-fresh, road/land conditions and angles!
BGF AT KO2....
The great all rounder.
I've gone through 2 sets of BFG M/T on my Wrangler in 4 years recently went with the BFG KO2 A/T I kinda wish I made the switch sooner.
Snow Tyres with studs are the best way especially here in Canada, but you can get away with KO2's cause they have the Mountain symbol with a snowflake in the center. A/T vs M/T in Canada will be depending on what you have and where you live but playing safe with a A/T with the snowflake means you only need one set of Tyres for the year instead of two or three.
Enjoying best of both worlds with my Yokohama G003, they are low noise and very well behaved on road and superb off road.
Good suspension, diff locks and proper weight distribution on a 4wd will take it further than any type of tyre.
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Nice cat Ronny at 5:00 minutes
+Will Morrow haha thanks mate, his name is Jeffy
+Ronny Dahl (4 Wheeling in W.A.) Was just about to ask the name of your cat till I saw this. Ha!
Was trying to choose tires for my GR Patrol (GU with LHD) and this was exactly the information i need. Couldn't find anywhere else yet, but you showed at the right time. BTW if you want to try in sand, come to Mongolia where i live, when it is not too cold and still have snow
Federal Couragia M/T excellent budget M/T for a lighter vehicle ie Hilux etc. Very noisy on road and tread blocks tend to melt in the WA heat on constant load heavier vehicles. Maxxis A/T 980 10pr one of the best bang for buck for your weight vehicle re quiet / tough A/T in say 285-75r16 on the mighty 79. Alternatively you would not regret the Kumho MT51 for your application - very quiet and well mannered on road and lasts despite very aggressive tread pattern. We have seen 100,000km + on the KL71 M/T also with very good noise levels and on road perfermance My 2C Ronnie. Keep up the good work mate.
To be fair its called all-terrain for a reason and the tires on my truck are all terrain and they have bigger lugs than that of the videos. Yes mud tires are better, but to say all terrain are bad in mud is an overstatement
Citing only your own personal experience vs the experience of Ronny and those he's gone out with is pretty silly.
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bofeity I agree with him. I've handled proper mud pretty well. I'd say that makes his comment quite sensible.
Ha, anyone who has driven through mud in an A/T, didn't really drive through mud. Ever step in mud and lose your shoe or have to be pulled out by a rope? That's mud and that stuff cakes into a tire like mortar. That's real mud, the dirty water you guys are driving through is a joke.
I would be inclined to agree with you. A lot of AT's made nowadays are a hybrid of AT/MT from BFG KO2, Duratracs, Falken AT3W, Cooper STMAX etc.
You need to travel to the US we are having a good winter so for a lot of snow.
+FastestIntegra I would if I could...
+FastestIntegra Lol what? it's a record high in temperatures
+ToAstYNaChO maybe where you are!
civicsr2cool
For the majority of the US actually, the rest is just having an average winter
+FastestIntegra Um... there has literally been no snow this entire year and I live in Michigan where we usually get a ton.
I have absolutely no clue on tyres I bought a gwm ute and have 80 acres and I'm trying to figure out which tires would be best when I'm off-road your video help me quite a lot for a female who knows nothing about this area. Now think mud would be a better choice.
I have both sets Nitto in my Jeep, Terra Grappler for the HW is quite a ride but don’t do serious off-road, and never ever get into mud or snow.
Second set: Nitto Trail Grappler is the quites mud terrain tire that you can get, AWESOME and OVER PERFORM any mud tire overall.
On my truck I have the BFG K/O all terrain, incredible tire, the best in all terrain imo.
4wdrivers talk about grip.
Overlanders talk about puncture resistance.
3 tyres in 3 km. Yep. I'm with ya.
grear video !
I drive a BFG AT Tire and I think its more rugged then the other All Terrain Tires.
But maybe I´ll get an MT fot Traveling.
I life in middle Europe by the way.
+Alienking01 thanks mate
I have been using Maxxis Bighorn (mud terrain) tyres on my rigs for years now and absolutely swear by them. Bang for buck they are a great tyre. I live in the hills and do the powerlines a bit during winter and they handle great on the rocks and the mud. I do a heap of fishing down at Preston beach/whitehills over summer and have never had an issue. Drop the pressures to 18-20psi and they go anywhere.
I currently have a set on my wrangler, they have done 40,000kms and still have heaps of tread. I expect these to last me another year or roughly 15,000 to 20,000.
we got 45,000 miles on a set of bfgoodrich mud terrain km2's (which are great and fairly aggressive for mud terrains) and they still have 25% usable tread left and not to mention 3/4 of those miles were on road
The noise from mudders leave me exhausted.
Cameron Alexander yup I had no other choice then to go with a/t’s.
Lmao, 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
Depends on the mt
Take my MT’s in the snow over AT.
I have mud terrains bfg and I find them terrific in most conditionsive been to fraser island towing a camper trailer through all the real soft stuff and found they were better than allterrains the secret all comes down to finding the right air pressure I also go offroad as well and find they are a great tyre
I've run both in snow and icy conditions. It's been my experience that all terrain tires perform better on slick road conditions and Ice. They have a narrower gap between the lugs but generally have more lugs, and consequently more biting edges to grip the slick road surface.
Mud terrains on the other hand also perform well on slick roads and icy conditions but just not as good. But very similar to mud, they are way better when the snow gets deeper. They don't pack full like the all terrain and can self clean. They can also dig down to find solid ground or in extreme situations when momentum is the only thing that's going to get you through (and a heavy throttle foot) they kind of act like a paddle and paddle your way through.
Personally I like mud terrain tires for winter conditions. Not quite as good as an AT but will be better in a severe snow storm (before plows can open the roads) and they just look better to me. And if you get them sipped it gives them much more bitting edges and they perform nearly identical to the AT with the mud tire benifits.
And before anyone brings it up, there are dedicated snow tires that kind of resemble an AT tire but have a much softer rubber to grip really well. They also often times have directional tread or tread designed in such a way to reduce hydroplaning in the wet, sloppy, slushy snow. But they wear out much quicker if used on dry, hot conditions. And not very good in deep stuff. They are good for two wheel drive or front wheel drive vehicles that stay on the roads though.
thats BS mud tires are terrible on road you'll see yourself buying new tires with in the first 6 months of using them on road
+Adalberto Gonzalez Garcia Depends how you drive them, my set lasted 18 months with 60% tread left. Will also depend on brand. Anyway hope you have better & more use should you ever go back to M/T's
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+Adalberto Gonzalez Garcia sorry dude,, I've run both,, BFG MT KO 1s and 2s and easily got 50,000 milesout of each set and they handled on asphalt just as well as the BFG ATs I'm running now... You do get what you pay for..
The BFG Mud terrain Ko2s are an amazing tire. Weve had a set on a 4x4 tahoe and its been the same set for 3 years now and we drive that a lot. Including trips to other states. the other set on my 77 chevy have been on there for a year and show no sign of wear yet. given theres only 4k miles on that set.
+JaiizoQuality KM2s
Honest and true comments . I live in Corfu Greece where dry tarmac roads grip like snow and whet tarmac roads grip like ice .... I was confused when it came to tyre change ... vehicle is a Mitsubishi Pajero/Montero/Shogun Sport 3.0lt V6 . My old BFG KO where done and I went for my new BFG K02 ... OYAOY ... They have a B rating on the wet . I used to drive in 4x4 and now 2x4 most of the time ... I do a bit of off roading and was between the K02 A/T and the BFG M/T KM2 ... Looks where in favour of the KM2 ... But the true honest choice was a good A/T ... And so far the K02 is a dream ... 30 psi all around
snow on plowed roads vs. driving over snow are two very different situations. plowed roads never did me a whole lot of good on mud tires, but untouched snow loves a mud tire. I would also say I recently put 33 x12.50 mud tires on my '97 tj, I was shocked how quietly they run at 60mph. I think tire technology is changing and tires are getting better because of it.
Great vid. Something most people never weigh in on is that fact of 4 WHEELING ALONE. It's always better to sacrifice a little tire life, get the MUD TERRAIN...... when you consider how much damage you can cause by getting stuck with the ALL TERRAINS.
Also, as I have experienced, break a front drive component out on a trail, your only chance is with the MTs' , let even more air out, and actually make it back over the rough trail. Tear some chunks off the knobs, but ALL TERRAINS would NEVER have propelled me up the hills in 2 wheel drive.........
Best video by far explaining which tyre to go for. Not fence sitting like most other reviews. Thanks mate.
G'day from Albury NSW. I ran Kumho KL78's for years on my Pajero. Brilliant tyres for just about everything. Rock crawling down to about 20 psi ( same as sand ). Decided to do a trip " up the cape " so I bought a set of Kumho KL71's . Nice big bitey tread good in mud. I thought I'd bought the best tyres for the worst conditions. Well it was alright if you were going straight but they would run wide on dirt roads and don't even talk to me about going across even a slight slope. ( I once had to get towed out of a muddy ditch by a .........Suzuki. OMG ) 1998 2.8T/D Manual with outo locking front diff, rear LSD and almost no power, ever, anywhere. Should have stuck with the A/T's. Love the vids, just sub'd.
For snow all terrains are better but not as good as snow tyres (obviously). Snow is weak to hold its structure so having lots of small tread to grip in many places with less pressure is better than large tread that is putting lots of force in one area.
I'm seen lot of people here in Kansas using Toyo MT getting 50,000+ miles! those I've spoken with use them for working pulling heavy trailer behind their truck! each person was shocked at how great the tire wore over the mile of hi way & mud & off road! hopefully this helps I'm going to by Toyo MT all the people I've spoken with soldiers me on the quality of the tire!