I am so pumped about this trade. I think Murray is a better fit on this team. Murray Zion Herb Trey and whoever else at center. Defense is going to be gooood. Murray is an above average defender I feel put that with Herb and Trey man this is going to be good
I been told people do not go for Trae because he lacks defense. Dejounte Murray does not lack defense while being an offensive upgrade. THIS WAS A VERY SMART TRADE!!
I like Murray, Hawk, Herb, Trey, Zion small ball lineup at alot of times. Bring in the new defensive center (hopefully) into the starting lineup when needed. Trade Ingram and CJ. Jose/Ryan/Missi/Naji off the bench
Lets look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series?
@@coreyrubin5290 sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I don't think that CJ is a bad player I actually like him. I feel like he will be an manu ginobili
that little ass lineup 😂 Pelicans fans are DELUSIONAL… DJ is a good pickup but this team as currently constructed doesn’t mesh well! Listen to you. You’re excited about a midget bench lineup
I hope you’re all over the moon. Outside of Edwards and maybe Jrue, Dejounte is the best two way guard in the league. Dude took on the Celtics twice last year and HANDLED them. You guys are building a great roster.
Why would CJ MCOLLUM start next to Dejounte Murray??? Why not start Trey Murphy & Herbert Jones as your 2 & 3?? Trey offers way more 2 way Athletic versatile ability than CJ… just bring him off the bench as a 6th man.. 🤷🏾♂️ just saying, a lineup of Dejounte, Herb, Trey, & Zion would be a headache to play in a juggernaut western conference..
Lets look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series? I agree TM3 needs to get some significant playing time but like him or not, CJ is their veteran leader who is a productive player!
@@coreyrubin5290 Defense, age and fit. If you have Murray, Herb and Murphy as the 1, 2 and 3, those are long athletic players who can guard 1-4 and switch. C.J. certainly has value, but the Pelicans should be open to trading him if they can get another long athletic and younger 3 and D player or a center.
@@Don-md6wn I agree with what you are saying that the best move would be to be in the position to trade CJ for a younger long and athletic 3 & D player/center, but I was responding to the comment of him still being on the team and coming off the bench which makes no sense to me until TM3 shows that he can be more consistent and aggressive during clutch time. He tends to disappears when he is needed to step up and take over a game. CJ will at least try even if he may miss those shots!
Dejounte is a good dude but him and Trae just didn’t fit and if you have to choose between the two is Trae Young hands down. Hawks now have picks in the next 3 drafts again and added on a poa defender which is what the hawks need next to Trae Young. The Trae Young will make the offense work but they had to get better on D. Adding a former Lottery pick that can do that along with replacing the picks they lost in the Murray trade was worth it. Win win
Murray takes those mid range but he has a better handle, better playmaker, takes more 3s, better defender, and hisncontrat is half of what BI is seeking. If we could get BI for 25 mil we would gladly keep him
I never really followed Dejounte Murray as a player but have heard that he is a decent to slightly above average player???? Also I am surprised to hear the trading of Dyson Daniels. He is still very young and I thought they were very on him for his defense. What does the trading of Larry Nance Jr. mean for Jonas?
Mo Wagner would be a nice pickup but I highly doubt Orlando lets him go. I believe Thomas Bryant could be nice cheap option for this team, decant rim runner, hustle guy and could step out an hit a couple occasional 3s. Drew Eubanks would be a good choice as well he shot 38% from 3 last season
@@mont-doggBeats no it's not there's a salary cap for a reason. I guarantee you New Orleans trade Ingram to Philly for draft picks. That was the whole reason for the Murray trade.
@theetruth8626 yall sounding like Barkley with that guarantees bs and was wrong 100% of the time😅 so keep guaranting that BI will be traded 😂😂and Valanclunas will be our center 😂😂
I’m seeing how it’s a possibility BI might stay now seeing how we’re trying to improve the team, and I have soft spot for BI (and I got gifted his city edition jersey after the season ended), but I don’t see how he fits well with this team going forward
Excited to hear what's next. Obviously Bi is polarizing to the fan base. I feel like it might come down to if he's willing to take less than the max. Odds are no, but if he was willing to accept less I could see them resigning him and finding a cheaper option at Center. Maybe they can move CJ's contract. Not sure. Excited to see what's next.
Why do we presume that cj starts i think herb needs to start at the 2 that backcourt would be the best inna league have cj run and score in the second unit or trade him for a big man
You are betting Lakers going to implode like they did in 2022. But that's not going to happen. Even if Lakers endup as 10th seed they would have enough wins so that will put the pick out of Lottery. Pels fleeced Hawks, gave two non lottery picks for a star caliber player under contract for next 4 years in a good contract
Dyson really isn't a big miss. He is so broken on offense that his defense is a wash. It also forces Hawkins and 1nd rounder Antonio on the court. Shooters around Zion. This is currently an offensive league. 8+ teams were setting offensive sive ppg records last year. Scoring is needed.
A phenomenonal trade would NOT have included three first rounders (counting Daniels). It also wouldn't include a starter for Atlanta, a versatile vet, and developing front courter. Depending on how Murray works out, it's a good trade, just not better than that.
Trade BI and CJ and go get Kat. Murray, Zion, Trey, Herb, and Kat! Bring Reeves and Hawkins off the bench along with the rookie Center! Jake, help me understand why the Pels so high on CJ? He have not showed up for a playoff, since Portland. Zion need to come in at 260 and under and he want get injured again!
Wow Jake that's crazy the pelicans did and are doing what I predicted in your comments weeks ago. They dumped Nance and Daniels. And now they going after DeAndre Ayton. Dam I'm good !
I think Murray makes CJ, and BI better. I know a center makes a healthy Pelicans team a contender. Zion gets hurt often ( maybe Murray will give Zion a break on his body). Do you think a team without Zion is better with a center, or BI?
I say to all of the CJ McCollum haters who say that he needs to come off of the bench that you people really must don't know what you are talking about! Lets simply look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series? Just b/c he's not younger, flashy, and flamboyant? I agree that Willie Green needs to get bothTM3 and Hawkins more significant, quality playing time but it is not CJ's fault that Willie Green sat TM3 most of his rookie year or that he sat Hawkins a lot during his rookie year. Whether you like him or not, CJ is their veteran leader who is still a productive NBA player! The stats don't lie. The team has lost Larry Nance, Jr. and about to lose JV so the answer is not putting CJ on the bench. He's the veteran who needs to lead this young team. Zion and BI aren't there yet. TM3, Herb, and Hawkins aren't ready for that responsibility. I wonder do people really think before they say things!!!
If you trade Brandon for a center & a bench player do you necessarily have to match BI's $34 million salary? I'm asking this because if you have the $13 Mill+ could you resign Naji? Starters would be: Murray, Zion, CJ, Herb, Center Bench would be: Murphy,Jose ( unless he is included in the BI trade), Missi (if ready), Hawkins, Cheap 5, Ryan & maybe Naji Give me your thoughts fans!
Now trade Ingram and CJ for a good defensive center. Go small ball alot with Murray, Hawk, Herb, Trey, Zion. And bring in the new center and the backup Missi when needed.
If we need a defensive center why keep JV? On paper this roster is helluva deep, you got 7 starter and bench player. If guys buy into their rolls and stay healthy. Somebody gotta win 6th man of the year award.
My opinion is if Zions game doesn’t develop from a one level scorer to at least a two level score with a consistent 3 ball this team will always struggle to find players to put around him. There’s not a lot big man who can consistently shoot 3s and to put the burden on the other 3 perimeter players to shoot 3 to cover up Zion lack of shooting isn’t going show result.
Naw having a point guard change a lot cause they can’t load up the paint if he don’t have the ball Zion good at getting in position to score off ball so it’s hard to guard we just literally haven’t had a guard since lonzo that had a good iq that’s why Zion dominated with lonzo the offense better when Zion at gotta be the point guard cause he not a point guard
Yup. The Bucks are able to make it because they hit a home run on Lopez. You literally need a center with a big body to set screens for Zion and the ability the stretch the floor. That’s why I found it funny that people complained about drafting Missi. It’s hard to find the perfect center next to Zion at least Missi can do some things right
Bro cj will not start next year IF we keep him having cj as a starter mean Herb goes to the bench that’s not gonna happen at all. Hearing you say cj and Murray as the back court is stupid and makes my brain hurt tbh cj is more likely to be traded before B.I he might go in a sign and trade to the Knick’s for hartenstein
DJ shit 7 3s a game at 36%. It's not a huge improvement over BI but the volume is way better. So it solves it int he threat level. You also get a guy who can run the offense and the PnR. I truly believe his offensive drop was due to Trae being so ball dominant and the ball came out DJ's hand. I think DJ is gonna be a 22pt 7ass 4reb player here while being a defensive menace next to Herb while getting rod of 2 guys that dint shoot, while keeping BI on roster still to gather assets. The trade was very positive imo.
@@taylor_m_237you’re asking for a lot from DJM lol 22 and 7 while being a defensive menace is unrealistic. He hasn’t been great defensively since the spurs and that’s because he’s been asked to do more offensively and with that the most he’s averaged is 22 points. I think realistically he’ll average 16-18 and 8 assist while going back to his defensive roots. Also if pels keep BI (they should) I can’t imagine him average more than 20. Zion, BI, CJ, and Trey that’s alot of scorers already. He’s still a great pick up though and addresses a lot of needs the pels needed.
@@alexsanchez2719 22 pts isabout avg for what he has had the last 3 years. 7 is barely below what he hadlast year. Being in Atl hurt him offensively and defensively. He needs the ball in his hands and Trae is one of the most ball dominant players in the league, whoch hurt his assists. His defense went down playing next to Teae You basically have to cover both. Him b3ing away from another lead ball handler is gonna help him a lot. As for 22 and 7. That is literally just 1 more assist than he avg last year with the same pts. Seems very realistic
I'm just here to say Herb Jones is a starter everyday 365 24/7.. you can talk about closing lineups maybe, but Herb is gonna and should start everyday of the wk so let's cut that talk out
Gonna miss DD and definitely Nance should been a couple of picks and him staying wish E J the best an we have a solid big 3 that can score and get a bucket put CJ in the second unit and development of Jhawk keep B I and JV
we can’t afford him unless he takes a massive pay cut for a short extension. maybe he stays this offseason and we trade him before the deadline, but there’s still not enough minutes to go around bc hawk, tm3, and herb jones NEED playing time
Love love BI, but his attitude on the bench in the post season was a cancer to this team. He took no initiative to build chemistry with Zion and they need to separate. Plus bringing another shot creator in doesn’t work with BI.
Any star player will get upset getting benched. How is he a cancer when he's close to all his teammates, his coach, and FO? Yeah he had a bad series but lets not overreact he's passionate about basketball and wants to to stay in NO if financially possible.
@@chrisflo24 You can literally see the difference in how everyone played bc of his attitude. He was pouting before he was benched, not answering teammates calls or texts during the postseason and then in the exit review, he said they need to work on chemistry when he made no effort to work on chemistry. He threw the org under the bus saying they need a point guard when he wanted to have the ball. Star players lead. Star players do post conferences. He’s capable of being a star, but his actions are different. He and Zion are not going to work. Everyone had good synergy when he was hurt. He needs a fresh start to do the things he said he would. I just don’t like the fit and I tried to bc I like BI.
@biancasiplin4204 Everyone sees BI as the number 2 but has constantly for years had to fill in for Zion's lack of maturity to keep himself in shape. This is the 1st time Zion actually took his body a bit more seriously where collectively they were able to get 49 wins. The coaching staff asked BI to take a backseat and he did led by Zion. Even decreased his shot attempts and his ppg to buy into the team offense Willie tried to implement for the other guys to help with the offense. Unfortunately he got injured and came back early to try to get rhythm before the playoffs and then Zion went down and now being asked to lead again without his costar only this time he's not physically 100% to do so in the playoffs against the best record in the west. The whole fanbase is shitting on him for him to trying to help the team when he wasn't ready either and that bothered him IMO. You tell me if you were in BI's position would you not be frustrated too? How do you think he felt knowing the majority of the blame is being put on him from national media, pels fans, hell indirectly even the front office. Now his money is on the line and he might not get what he was anticipating at the start of last season. For the record I don't think he threw anyone under the bus he simply said the truth that they desperately needed another creator that's been obvious for a while now.
@@chrisflo24 I get you. I really do bc you sound like me for the first half of the season. I don’t see BI’s chemistry improving with the addition of Murray. I also don’t see BI extension coming before Trey Murphy.
Bruh B.I is not getting traded.... Give it up..... Zion playing the 5..... and we running everything out the gym.... u definitely not giving B.I UP cause u got Murry ....and HERB not coming off the bench.... so CJ would be the odd one to me right ..... We good with all these pieces let COACH Willie Green Coach .
Get rid of Zion while he still has value. It’s been 5 years and he’s yet to play a playoff game. And it’s NOT because we haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years. He’s a defensive mismatch liability. He’s a poor rebounder, he doesn’t shoot. And most importantly, his health… Your lineup has to be so specific around a guy who has so many downsides. It’s not smart to bank on a star draft pick. Nobody willingly wants to come here in FA. Get the most out of your assets while they have value!! It’s been 5 years, no playoff games. If he doesn’t go off this year, nobody will want him. Not even Pelicans fans
I know we give you a hard time sometimes, Jake, but you do a really good job. No cap
Every time!!!!!!!
I am so pumped about this trade. I think Murray is a better fit on this team. Murray Zion Herb Trey and whoever else at center. Defense is going to be gooood. Murray is an above average defender I feel put that with Herb and Trey man this is going to be good
I been told people do not go for Trae because he lacks defense. Dejounte Murray does not lack defense while being an offensive upgrade. THIS WAS A VERY SMART TRADE!!
CJ off the bench with Jose, Hawkins
Or CJ as 2 guard
I like Murray, Hawk, Herb, Trey, Zion small ball lineup at alot of times. Bring in the new defensive center (hopefully) into the starting lineup when needed. Trade Ingram and CJ. Jose/Ryan/Missi/Naji off the bench
Lets look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series?
@@coreyrubin5290 sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I don't think that CJ is a bad player I actually like him. I feel like he will be an manu ginobili
that little ass lineup 😂 Pelicans fans are DELUSIONAL… DJ is a good pickup but this team as currently constructed doesn’t mesh well! Listen to you. You’re excited about a midget bench lineup
I'm shocked the Pels had a decent draft, got a deal done and even went shoplifting
SHOPLIFTING, I like 👍🏽 that.
😂
Cant say i wont miss Nance
Yeah, Nance was pretty good for us.
who`s going to replace him, there`s just one center
@@gregoryguidry4958 and now JV is gone
This was a STEAL!!! 🎉🤑
Cj sitting there listening to the panel of ESPN talking shit about the Pels should motivate him I hope
I love the trade we can keep b.i and J.V .. with herb, murry ,bi, Zion, and JV we can switch better
Jv us a free agent
Jv literally didn’t start 3rd quarters because of his deficiencies. Hes cooked
JV ain’t it
Hell nah BI gotta go!
I hope you’re all over the moon. Outside of Edwards and maybe Jrue, Dejounte is the best two way guard in the league. Dude took on the Celtics twice last year and HANDLED them. You guys are building a great roster.
What a trade
Get KAT too.
KAT, Z , Herb , TMIII, Murray
KAT went ghost in the offs just like B.I. Idk about that one.
Do u really want that contract?
KAT resigned with the Timberwolves
@@ilovekaiykoexactly. 50 mill + for kat? no thanks.
Kat a choke artist
Geaux Pels ⚜️
Why would CJ MCOLLUM start next to Dejounte Murray??? Why not start Trey Murphy & Herbert Jones as your 2 & 3?? Trey offers way more 2 way Athletic versatile ability than CJ… just bring him off the bench as a 6th man.. 🤷🏾♂️ just saying, a lineup of Dejounte, Herb, Trey, & Zion would be a headache to play in a juggernaut western conference..
Lets look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series? I agree TM3 needs to get some significant playing time but like him or not, CJ is their veteran leader who is a productive player!
@@coreyrubin5290 Defense, age and fit. If you have Murray, Herb and Murphy as the 1, 2 and 3, those are long athletic players who can guard 1-4 and switch. C.J. certainly has value, but the Pelicans should be open to trading him if they can get another long athletic and younger 3 and D player or a center.
Big Facts 👏🏻
@@Don-md6wn I agree with what you are saying that the best move would be to be in the position to trade CJ for a younger long and athletic 3 & D player/center, but I was responding to the comment of him still being on the team and coming off the bench which makes no sense to me until TM3 shows that he can be more consistent and aggressive during clutch time. He tends to disappears when he is needed to step up and take over a game. CJ will at least try even if he may miss those shots!
I think cj might come off the bench with good minutes
I like it, a good start, but how does Ingram and even Ceej, fit....more trades coming I hope....🏀🇬🇧
CeeJ? Why spell it like that?
The Pels pretty much gave up some magic beans for Murray ! It’s nice to be on the winning side of a trade
Dejounte is a good dude but him and Trae just didn’t fit and if you have to choose between the two is Trae Young hands down. Hawks now have picks in the next 3 drafts again and added on a poa defender which is what the hawks need next to Trae Young. The Trae Young will make the offense work but they had to get better on D. Adding a former Lottery pick that can do that along with replacing the picks they lost in the Murray trade was worth it. Win win
In what smart basketball world where CJ should start over TM3 or Herb ???????????????
Appreciate you Jake! I still listen every day to you
now we need to resign bi and get a good center and some more bench pieces
Troy brown & kelly olynk
I’d add mo bamba
@@sophalmen1989 u need to study more hoops bro
Missi
@@netopierre3477 no way we starting a rookie lol
Couldn’t help but laugh at the unintentional disrespect for spurs 😂 everytime jake tried to refer to them just forgets the name of the team
Murray takes those mid range but he has a better handle, better playmaker, takes more 3s, better defender, and hisncontrat is half of what BI is seeking. If we could get BI for 25 mil we would gladly keep him
Got this great 3pt shooter just riding the bench in Ryan. Hope he gets time next season.
been saying that toward the end of the season not with a bad coach like Green
I never really followed Dejounte Murray as a player but have heard that he is a decent to slightly above average player???? Also I am surprised to hear the trading of Dyson Daniels. He is still very young and I thought they were very on him for his defense. What does the trading of Larry Nance Jr. mean for Jonas?
He is a boarder line AS. An average player is someone like Jose or Naji. He has also been forced to play SG on the Hawks when he is a true PG
LETS GO!!!! FLOCK UP 💪🏾
Mo Wagner would be a nice pickup but I highly doubt Orlando lets him go. I believe Thomas Bryant could be nice cheap option for this team, decant rim runner, hustle guy and could step out an hit a couple occasional 3s. Drew Eubanks would be a good choice as well he shot 38% from 3 last season
If I could turn BI into an elite center and a 3-d wing... this team would almost be complete.
Larry Nance was 6'9. If they keep BI, why not turn Trey Murphy into best 3 pt shooting center in NBA history?
I know they're not going to move CJ to 6th man, but Dejounte, Herb, Trey, Zion, Allen/whoever would be strong on both sides of the ball.
@Jake, do you think theres some way the Pels can get Brook Lopez with the Bucks as a 3rd team in the Ingram deal?
Big pickup and fairly small give away. GEAUX PELS
See if we can get a starting center for cj, extend trey and resign Ingram to a team friendly deal. At that point we are contenders
Quit talking silly
@@mont-doggBeats no it's not there's a salary cap for a reason. I guarantee you New Orleans trade Ingram to Philly for draft picks. That was the whole reason for the Murray trade.
@theetruth8626 yall sounding like Barkley with that guarantees bs and was wrong 100% of the time😅 so keep guaranting that BI will be traded 😂😂and Valanclunas will be our center 😂😂
@@lesterjeanpierre4343 Im all about the results just don't go into hiding
@@mont-doggBeatsI'ma remember this comment when Ingram is in Detroit lol
CJ off the bench now? Herb and DM should be an excellent defensive backcourt.
I’m seeing how it’s a possibility BI might stay now seeing how we’re trying to improve the team, and I have soft spot for BI (and I got gifted his city edition jersey after the season ended), but I don’t see how he fits well with this team going forward
Nah Pels would be absolutely ridiculous to let go of BI instead of CJ
Yes trade CJ move Hawkins as starter 🎉
@@brandonleemoss yes man you see the vision
Losing the Nance and Daniels depth concerns me. It'll be hard to replace them.
Didn’t lose Herb
We played our best when dyson got hurt n Alvarado started playing & Nance had a lil bit of a impact but nothing that cant be replaced
I’ll miss Larry and Dyson but DJ welcome
Excited to hear what's next. Obviously Bi is polarizing to the fan base. I feel like it might come down to if he's willing to take less than the max. Odds are no, but if he was willing to accept less I could see them resigning him and finding a cheaper option at Center. Maybe they can move CJ's contract. Not sure. Excited to see what's next.
Nice trade ….we lost potential for reality…..Dyson u can BE A BEAST fight hard ……
Wishing Larry Nance the best. Great guy!
Can we get Mobley for BI?
Great trade Pelicans 🎉🎉
Why do we presume that cj starts i think herb needs to start at the 2 that backcourt would be the best inna league have cj run and score in the second unit or trade him for a big man
Hey Jake do you think Willy Green will play the rookies this season,if so which one
Not Green
it was a great trade but Dyson and that Lakers pick will be missed
You are betting Lakers going to implode like they did in 2022. But that's not going to happen. Even if Lakers endup as 10th seed they would have enough wins so that will put the pick out of Lottery. Pels fleeced Hawks, gave two non lottery picks for a star caliber player under contract for next 4 years in a good contract
We’ll get over it lmaoo
Dyson really isn't a big miss. He is so broken on offense that his defense is a wash.
It also forces Hawkins and 1nd rounder Antonio on the court. Shooters around Zion. This is currently an offensive league. 8+ teams were setting offensive sive ppg records last year. Scoring is needed.
have you watched dyson daniels play basketball? that is not a rhetorical question; that is a genuine inquiry.
@@ElijahSchoonover Hell yeah i watched him check Wemby 1 game and shut Him down. Atl wanted Him for a reason. SMDH
I wonder what the people that said Dillion Brooks would not be good enough for Dejonte Murray are saying now
They need too pair Murray up with herb
A phenomenonal trade would NOT have included three first rounders (counting Daniels). It also wouldn't include a starter for Atlanta, a versatile vet, and developing front courter. Depending on how Murray works out, it's a good trade, just not better than that.
Trade BI and CJ and go get Kat. Murray, Zion, Trey, Herb, and Kat! Bring Reeves and Hawkins off the bench along with the rookie Center! Jake, help me understand why the Pels so high on CJ? He have not showed up for a playoff, since Portland. Zion need to come in at 260 and under and he want get injured again!
Wow Jake that's crazy the pelicans did and are doing what I predicted in your comments weeks ago. They dumped Nance and Daniels. And now they going after DeAndre Ayton. Dam I'm good !
That was a pretty good trade for the Pels
I am absurdly, absurdly excited by this trade and potential of this team. Whatever trades we make from here, I'm all in.
Let's freaking go!!!
What's the chance of Naji Marshall returning?
Larry is a sad lost just like Josh Hart was im still going to root for those guys
I'm with you.
Every dayer!! 🇵🇭🇵🇭
I think Murray makes CJ, and BI better. I know a center makes a healthy Pelicans team a contender.
Zion gets hurt often ( maybe Murray will give Zion a break on his body). Do you think a team without Zion is better with a center, or BI?
I say to all of the CJ McCollum haters who say that he needs to come off of the bench that you people really must don't know what you are talking about! Lets simply look at CJ's 2023-24 stats: FG% = .459; 3PT% = .429 (career high); FT% = .827; RPG = 4.3; APG = 4.6; SPG = .9; BPG = .6 (career high); PPG = 20.0. Now explain to me why you want to bench a starter with 10 years of NBA experience & who has won a playoff series? Just b/c he's not younger, flashy, and flamboyant? I agree that Willie Green needs to get bothTM3 and Hawkins more significant, quality playing time but it is not CJ's fault that Willie Green sat TM3 most of his rookie year or that he sat Hawkins a lot during his rookie year. Whether you like him or not, CJ is their veteran leader who is still a productive NBA player! The stats don't lie. The team has lost Larry Nance, Jr. and about to lose JV so the answer is not putting CJ on the bench. He's the veteran who needs to lead this young team. Zion and BI aren't there yet. TM3, Herb, and Hawkins aren't ready for that responsibility. I wonder do people really think before they say things!!!
If you trade Brandon for a center & a bench player do you necessarily have to match BI's $34 million salary? I'm asking this because if you have the $13 Mill+ could you resign Naji?
Starters would be:
Murray, Zion, CJ, Herb, Center
Bench would be:
Murphy,Jose ( unless he is included in the BI trade), Missi (if ready), Hawkins, Cheap 5, Ryan & maybe Naji
Give me your thoughts fans!
I’m a big Jordan Hawkins fan, I’m all about more playing time for the hawk. Let it fly baby!!!
Geaux Pels
Now trade Ingram and CJ for a good defensive center. Go small ball alot with Murray, Hawk, Herb, Trey, Zion. And bring in the new center and the backup Missi when needed.
If we need a defensive center why keep JV? On paper this roster is helluva deep, you got 7 starter and bench player. If guys buy into their rolls and stay healthy. Somebody gotta win 6th man of the year award.
Im very excited about the trade. We are a better team today because of it.
My opinion is if Zions game doesn’t develop from a one level scorer to at least a two level score with a consistent 3 ball this team will always struggle to find players to put around him. There’s not a lot big man who can consistently shoot 3s and to put the burden on the other 3 perimeter players to shoot 3 to cover up Zion lack of shooting isn’t going show result.
Naw having a point guard change a lot cause they can’t load up the paint if he don’t have the ball Zion good at getting in position to score off ball so it’s hard to guard we just literally haven’t had a guard since lonzo that had a good iq that’s why Zion dominated with lonzo the offense better when Zion at gotta be the point guard cause he not a point guard
Yup. The Bucks are able to make it because they hit a home run on Lopez. You literally need a center with a big body to set screens for Zion and the ability the stretch the floor. That’s why I found it funny that people complained about drafting Missi. It’s hard to find the perfect center next to Zion at least Missi can do some things right
I can't wait for the season 😊🎉
Very excited about this one!
Move CJ to a 6th man role.
PG: Dejounte Murray
SG: Trey Murphy
SF Herb Jones
PF: Zion Williamson
C: ?
We have 8 starters murry,cj,bi,Zion, trey, herb, JV. All starters .
BI and JV are gone for sure. Trey or CJ likely comes off the bench
@@ben1ben2ben1JV a free agent. One of CJ or BI is gone
@@ben1ben2ben1 But they should get a starting caliber player back for BI.
Great trade, but they must give minutes to Hawkins as SG.
Coaching staff is still horrible.
that`s what`s going to kill us Green can`t coach
No way CJ starts over Herb Jones and look for a Lauri trade.
Bro cj will not start next year IF we keep him having cj as a starter mean Herb goes to the bench that’s not gonna happen at all. Hearing you say cj and Murray as the back court is stupid and makes my brain hurt tbh cj is more likely to be traded before B.I he might go in a sign and trade to the Knick’s for hartenstein
Stull need another big forward and a Point guard
Ej Liddell hasn't really played for us
I feel like by himself, he doesn't solve the 3 point situation, but basically getting rid of most of your non Shooters should help
DJ shit 7 3s a game at 36%. It's not a huge improvement over BI but the volume is way better. So it solves it int he threat level. You also get a guy who can run the offense and the PnR. I truly believe his offensive drop was due to Trae being so ball dominant and the ball came out DJ's hand. I think DJ is gonna be a 22pt 7ass 4reb player here while being a defensive menace next to Herb while getting rod of 2 guys that dint shoot, while keeping BI on roster still to gather assets. The trade was very positive imo.
@@taylor_m_237you’re asking for a lot from DJM lol 22 and 7 while being a defensive menace is unrealistic. He hasn’t been great defensively since the spurs and that’s because he’s been asked to do more offensively and with that the most he’s averaged is 22 points. I think realistically he’ll average 16-18 and 8 assist while going back to his defensive roots. Also if pels keep BI (they should) I can’t imagine him average more than 20. Zion, BI, CJ, and Trey that’s alot of scorers already. He’s still a great pick up though and addresses a lot of needs the pels needed.
@@alexsanchez2719 22 pts isabout avg for what he has had the last 3 years. 7 is barely below what he hadlast year. Being in Atl hurt him offensively and defensively. He needs the ball in his hands and Trae is one of the most ball dominant players in the league, whoch hurt his assists. His defense went down playing next to Teae
You basically have to cover both. Him b3ing away from another lead ball handler is gonna help him a lot.
As for 22 and 7. That is literally just 1 more assist than he avg last year with the same pts. Seems very realistic
@@alexsanchez2719 meanwhile his shooting pct from the line, ghe floor and the arc have all gone up in the last 3 years.
I'm just here to say Herb Jones is a starter everyday 365 24/7.. you can talk about closing lineups maybe, but Herb is gonna and should start everyday of the wk so let's cut that talk out
Go Bryson Graham!!! Front office moves good so far.
Gonna miss DD and definitely Nance should been a couple of picks and him staying wish E J the best an we have a solid big 3 that can score and get a bucket put CJ in the second unit and development of Jhawk keep B I and JV
Good trade
So the pels really are gonna bench herb for cj? Smh that aint it
I’ll take Jarrett Allen’s double double per game and call it a wrap.
Absolutely love it!!!!
Still think CJ has to go bruh he in big decline unless he a 6th man
Thanks Sugalanta
Griff loves Cj lol i dont think the fan base understands that. There gonna trade bi and build around cj Murray zion 😢
Do not trade Brandon Ingram
disagree
BI will mess up the chemistry! And get rid of CJ!
It don’t make sense to keep him he need the ball in his hand he play iso ball he a bad fit and he got a problem with the coach get him out of here 😊
we can’t afford him unless he takes a massive pay cut for a short extension. maybe he stays this offseason and we trade him before the deadline, but there’s still not enough minutes to go around bc hawk, tm3, and herb jones NEED playing time
God I would’ve loved to get Bam for BI, but Bam just got extended.
Do you think we could’ve got Trae young if we wanted to?
Zero defense dude😮
Coming from a 35 year Hawks fan you dont want Trae Young. He is a cancer.
I don’t know why everyone acts like CJ can’t come off the bench. He needs to embrace being a super 6th man.
Not for 30+ million
@PeliFan504 so you sacrifice the basketball fit bc of his salary? You maximize this team bringing him off the bench. Salary and ego be damned.
Brandon Ingram to the pistons for Jaden Ivey, Isaiah Stewart, and a second round pick
Murray Herb Trey Zion Allen would be so nice and cj off the bench.
D-Griff wasn't playing around because this was the ultimate steal, two players and two first-round picks for Murray. Ingram for Allen?
Every dayer, let's go!!!!
Jalen Smith in FA from Pacers
Nah he booty
EJ LIDELL PROLLY GONNA START FOR ATLANTA. Smh…
He needs to play it's a win for both of us 🎉
Hi Jake
BI for Kessler, Collins, Cavs FRP
Love love BI, but his attitude on the bench in the post season was a cancer to this team. He took no initiative to build chemistry with Zion and they need to separate. Plus bringing another shot creator in doesn’t work with BI.
Any star player will get upset getting benched. How is he a cancer when he's close to all his teammates, his coach, and FO? Yeah he had a bad series but lets not overreact he's passionate about basketball and wants to to stay in NO if financially possible.
@@chrisflo24 You can literally see the difference in how everyone played bc of his attitude. He was pouting before he was benched, not answering teammates calls or texts during the postseason and then in the exit review, he said they need to work on chemistry when he made no effort to work on chemistry. He threw the org under the bus saying they need a point guard when he wanted to have the ball. Star players lead. Star players do post conferences. He’s capable of being a star, but his actions are different. He and Zion are not going to work. Everyone had good synergy when he was hurt. He needs a fresh start to do the things he said he would. I just don’t like the fit and I tried to bc I like BI.
@biancasiplin4204 Everyone sees BI as the number 2 but has constantly for years had to fill in for Zion's lack of maturity to keep himself in shape. This is the 1st time Zion actually took his body a bit more seriously where collectively they were able to get 49 wins. The coaching staff asked BI to take a backseat and he did led by Zion. Even decreased his shot attempts and his ppg to buy into the team offense Willie tried to implement for the other guys to help with the offense. Unfortunately he got injured and came back early to try to get rhythm before the playoffs and then Zion went down and now being asked to lead again without his costar only this time he's not physically 100% to do so in the playoffs against the best record in the west. The whole fanbase is shitting on him for him to trying to help the team when he wasn't ready either and that bothered him IMO. You tell me if you were in BI's position would you not be frustrated too? How do you think he felt knowing the majority of the blame is being put on him from national media, pels fans, hell indirectly even the front office. Now his money is on the line and he might not get what he was anticipating at the start of last season. For the record I don't think he threw anyone under the bus he simply said the truth that they desperately needed another creator that's been obvious for a while now.
@@chrisflo24 I get you. I really do bc you sound like me for the first half of the season. I don’t see BI’s chemistry improving with the addition of Murray. I also don’t see BI extension coming before Trey Murphy.
Deandre Aton would be nice 👍
I think we should shoot for Jalen Duren
I would LOVE Naz Reid
Bruh B.I is not getting traded.... Give it up..... Zion playing the 5..... and we running everything out the gym.... u definitely not giving B.I UP cause u got Murry ....and HERB not coming off the bench.... so CJ would be the odd one to me right ..... We good with all these pieces let COACH Willie Green Coach .
Get rid of Zion while he still has value. It’s been 5 years and he’s yet to play a playoff game. And it’s NOT because we haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years. He’s a defensive mismatch liability. He’s a poor rebounder, he doesn’t shoot. And most importantly, his health… Your lineup has to be so specific around a guy who has so many downsides. It’s not smart to bank on a star draft pick. Nobody willingly wants to come here in FA. Get the most out of your assets while they have value!! It’s been 5 years, no playoff games. If he doesn’t go off this year, nobody will want him. Not even Pelicans fans