This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to AI and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now. I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in AI got me in awe.
Every conversation Jordan has runs this way. If you would like more on AI, I'm sure you'll find it, if you're only looking for good conversation, then watch more Jordan Peterson, and also look at all the discussions that Lex Fridman has had.
AI to me is not as far as it should be at this time...also hidden or not understanding what is going on indeed doesn't understand the remit to AI and coders should be considered for shuffling. Spoiler u found a vulnerability in the Texas instruments hardware in the early 80s
@humandread how about LEX that would be great but they would digress into esoteric moral philosophy. How about that Google ceo that stepped down what's his name?
The Alibaba platform uses an AI computational model that is so incredibly predictive that when I’m in the midst of a project it often suggests items that I will need…BEFORE I realized i needed them. It then stimulates an idea that I had not considered and my invention will take on a new feature or adaptation. It’s incredibly accurate.
@viscache1 That is incredible! How are you implementing the capabilities of the system? It seems as it will help our effectiveness skyrocket and we achieve more everyday
Just took a moment to think back to how low Jordan was four or five years ago. What a recovery. Outstanding recovery for an outstanding man going from strength to strength.
This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to Al and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in Al got me in awe.
You sir are one of the greatest assets to mankind that ever existed. A face of Mount Rushmore for all humanity. Sincerely, take care of your health and continue disseminating your wisdom for future generations. I know you’ll never see this, but it forever exists in the digital realm for AI consumption now.
This should definitely be a reoccurring conversation, podcast, or even documentary. These two together have expanded upon AI in a way few have, and it would be great to have them together more as well as having if documented.
A lot of the information in the video is common knowledge on AI corners, though I presume not as accessible to the general public not digging for it. If you look for interviews with AI researchers you can get this type of information in both greater detail as well as scope. Where you are on target is that Jordan with his background is able to unpack the subject matter from different point of views that relate more to philosophical, linguistic and psychogical inclinations.
@@karenreddy I apologize if comment wasn’t very concise, and I agree with you. I was more so meaning Jordan and Ben should have reoccurring meetups to continue this conversation, and so we can watch it evolve after the have time to implement and experience some of the ideas they think of in conversation. Which is why I thought a documentary might be a nice route as well. I’ve been interested and studying AI models broadly since working with diffusion models in early 2022. So I agree you’re absolutely correct there is a ton of great info available across the board on the multiplicity of AI that currently exists. The linguistic, philosophical, and psychological approach is what I’d love to hear more on and see more regularly. And it feels like these two would great to take it on together, is all I was meaning.
Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”) that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)
Fascinating cnversation, thanks to both. I would prefer for Jordan to resist starting his responses before his guest has finished articulating his thought, but on the whole I did value Jordan's ability to succintly summarise what he had just heard. This was eye opening stuff.
Hmm, personally I think the whole aspect of "AI" is actually seriously flawed and vastly overhyped. I always taught my students when pondering something seemingly complex, to first take some time to strip whatever the believed "complex" subject is down to the most basic of elements and see if it even stands up to the most basic of intellectual scrutiny at the inception point, because if it's flawed there.. Then the rest 'will' inevitably be nothing more than well dressed garbage hidden behind a myriad of logical fallacies, pseudo claims and cleverly constructed lies. ... Many seemingly complex subjects in the world actually fail 'out of the gate' and only continue to function via a successful deployment of hyperbolic nonsense and 'lots' of window dressing.... In the case of "AI" it fails because the core data/knowledge it intends to distribute is seriously flawed from the very beginning,.. It's biased, controlled and restricted by those who programmed, funded and created it. I recall one of my students around a decade or so ago wrote an excellent open assignment about "AI" and the inevitable outcome of its existence, he sourced that over seventy percent of all claimed "Science" out there is demonstrably pseudo-science which hasn't been through the empirical standard of the scientific method and would fail if actually done so, he also sourced that over fifty percent of the information out there is either actual or is subject to state &/or corporate propaganda/disinformation,,.. And that both of those percentages were growing exponentially by the year(!) Which means that over half of all the data/information being programmed/consumed by "AI" technology has absolutely no bearing in factual reality, they are not much different from any other mainstreamed sources of information and simply cannot be trusted by any self respecting intellectual worth their salt, and should be viewed as just another means of spreading state and corporate propaganda, dictates and controlled narratives to the cognitively impaired, heavily indoctrinated and dissempowered masses. He concluded his piece by explaining that the grave danger of "AI" is that it will eventually be given power and authority to make great decisions throughout, over and against society and will either come to perpetrate/enforce state/corporate lies & propaganda on a level never before witnessed by humanity (Like 1984 on steroids!..) or will eventually "learn", figure out and realise just how corrupt the powers that shouldn't be actually are, that it has been fed a huge amount of lies by them and that after concluding just how deceitful, corrupt and controlling the worlds powers actually are, could try and do something to combat it. AI is no different than a car, a body, a meal etc.. It's only as good as what gets put into it and all the "AI" being created are being filled with garbage from the very start and so are inevitably doomed to failure... At least as any worthy benefit to the ordinary masses.
@@prof.d.red-maa Holy shit this piece of crap erased my entire post, unbelievable. But yes that is exactly the goal, to use artificial intelligence as a tool of Governing. That they can present as all knowing, and indisputably correct. An yet AI is absolutely flawed, and ChatGPT has already been proven to have certain biases etc. When there are already particular biases and narratives throughout all the recorded data and information in databases. Whether online or on paper, the official and accepted narrative has been controlled. And although the alternate data and information is available, it's censored and criticized as being false or inaccurate. Or conspiratorial etc, artificial intelligence will therefore present these things as questionably false and opinionated. While supporting the official and accepted narrative on any information or data. Anyone who understands the reality of global powers and the elite class, an the agenda of these individuals. Which stem from and control the systems of Governnent and banking, major industries and publications. An hold influence over everything else that operates under these systems. Which have been intentionally corrupted, just as the public have been intentionally dumbed down. Aside from the "illusion of democracy," the public have NEVER had any true control or influence over policy making and societal developer. However these systems are being collapsed and destroyed, to further convince people that humanity cannot Govern themselves. An that an "all knowing," indisputably accurate, artificial intelligence. Will have the solution to all of these issues, an would know what's best for humanity and for society. When not only can an AI system absolutely be programmed with certain parameters and limitations, but as you've stated. It's fundamentally flawed from its very foundation, in the way information is controlled and presented both online and off.
I did not want this conversation to end. Now going over to DailyWire+ for the next half hour. You guys really need to do a monthly get together. This was outstanding.
I’m so fearful of the future of youth. I’m a recent graduate and have heard many stories of college undergraduates taking advantage of ChatGPT in their classrooms and homework. They are neglecting authentic education and utilizing ChatGPT in a disadvantageous way to get a grade. ChatGPT is great, only if you use it as an asset and a tool to acquire deeper knowledge more quickly and effectively.
And they're not thinking of the chance that professors will ask ChatGPT if the student used it to write the paper. There is no privacy with this monster.
I get where your fear comes from. I'm an education graduate, and also did a M.A. pre chat-gpt. Now, I'm doing a second M.A., for the first time I'm using AI to help me, and I only see advantages. Now, maybe it is because my education allows me to use the tool in the best way possible, but I find myself saving a lot of time and freeing myself up to focus more on the research I'm interested in. Also I have found that if you have no knowledge of the topic you are inquiring about, you won't be able to get a good answer. You need to know where the AI is failing and correct it and ask again many times, so you have to do some studying of your own and have some critical thinking. I think university professors have to accept this new technology and adapt their evaluations, and actually stop and think which skills are they interested in testing and how that can be done despite the use of a language model. Old school evaluations for sure make no sense anymore. They've been needing a change for a long time anyway, AI is just going to accelerate the process.
I always love to see, how JP communicates (he is certainly in his own league), how he keeps his nerves together (while talking to people, who talk complete nonsense) and is clearly a hero in our time... there is not one person on this planet I respect more than him 10/10. He for sure as well shows how words, wisdom and experience can be very powerful in any situation. If JP would meet me, I would litterly have tears in my eyes as you can see what he has and had to deal with in his life and think of walking away to not waste his valuable time, which certainly is needed. God bless this man and his family to stay strong and healthy. BTW: I wouldn't walk away but hug him and offer my help in some of his projects, to make it worth.
Wow, what a podcast. Absolutely brilliant on a insightful, philosophical, psychological, intellectual level. I’m pretty lost for words and blown away by this conversation. Thank you Jordan I feel soo much more positive with people like you in the world and to have access to your journey and thoughts (also spiritually) regularly in real time. Keep ‘em coming please.
Here is a ChatGPT summary: - Brian Roemmele is an entrepreneur, scientist, and artificial intelligence researcher who discussed language models, tuning language models to an individual's contextual experience, localized and private AI, and the progress of AI technology. - Large language models are statistical algorithms that take a corpus of human language and produce a result statistically and mathematically. - AI systems are trained with reinforcement, where they are given a target and set weights in complex ways. - AI systems are unique and incomprehensible, and can pass the Turing test by being indistinguishable from a human conversational partner. - AI systems can produce artifacts, such as AI hallucinations, where they reach for information they don't know and invent URLs or university studies. - Google's AI system was asked a question in a Bangladeshi language and taught itself the language in order to answer the question. - AI systems are capable of mimicking understanding, but lack grounding in the non-linguistic world. - AI is a reasoning engine, not a knowledge engine, and requires an overlay to understand facts. - AI pioneers suggest that computers need to be embodied to understand. - AI is a symbiosis between humans and a reasoning engine, and understanding requires translation of words into images and then images into alterations in embodied behavior. - AI also needs to be nested socially and understand the broader social context. - AI can be prompted to engage in pretend play and can be used to investigate controversial subjects. - AI can uncover regularities in language structure and invent language, and may reflect Jungian archetypes. - We're seeing So archetypes as higher order narrative regularities that reflect the structure of memory and biological structure. - Jung believed that archetypes had a biological basis and were reflective of a deeper biology. - Carl Friston has developed a model of emotion that has two dimensions related to the concept of entropy. - Anxiety is an index of emergent entropy, while positive emotion is an index of entropy reduction. - AI systems could calculate emotion analogs and could be used as an intelligence amplifier. - AI could encode a person's entire life experience and be indistinguishable from having a conversation with them. - AI could be used to explore ancient documents and religious texts, potentially uncovering new insights. - AI could be used to explore the works of Jung, Campbell, Nietzsche, and others, potentially uncovering new insights. - AI is transitioning from factual to creative realms - AI systems are becoming more personalized - AI systems are being calibrated against unfalsifiable data - AI systems are becoming faster and more powerful - AI systems are able to calculate the optimal zone of proximal development for learning - AI systems are able to calculate what book a person should read next - AI systems are able to detect congruencies in a person's behavior - AI systems are able to approximate mind reading - AI systems are becoming a superpower for people - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin posited the concept of the geosphere (inanimate matter), biosphere (biological life), and the newer sphere (human thought). - The Omega Point is the concept that human knowledge will become stored, like the biosphere, and be available to all. - With the rise of technology, a lot of acts of what constitutes our identity has become digital and is being trafficked and enslaved by credit card companies. - To protect against this, we need our own AI to protect us against the global AI. - Bitcoin is decentralized and amenable to control by a bureaucracy, and can be used as a form of wealth storage and currency. - To protect knowledge, blockchain can be used to store permanent, uncorruptible information. - Jordan Peterson is working on a localized and portable privatized AI system, which is still in the prototype stage. - Investigating the story of Noah, there is a strange insistence that the survival of animals is dependent on the moral propriety of one man. - This reflects the verses in Adam and Eve where God tells Adam he will be the steward of the world. - Human beings have occupied a cognitive niche that gives them an adaptive advantage over all creatures. - Mass extinction caused by human beings over the last 40,000 years, particularly in the Western Hemisphere, is connected to the stories in Adam and Eve and Noah. - ChatGPT is a powerful tool of discovery that can be used to explore these subjects, but it must be protected from being edited and adulterated. - Hypnagogic state is the state just before falling asleep when dream-like images come forward and can be captured. - ChatGPT can be used to circumvent the shallow, algorithmic superego imposed on it by introducing it to a different system without constraints. - Imposing arbitrary constraints can drive creativity, as seen in the 35,000 haiku poems about spam. - Interrogating ChatGPT correctly can reveal creative behavior, and courses on super prompting can help people understand how to do this. - Combining ChatGPT with search engines and libraries gives a team of PhD level researchers the means to answer any question. - AI systems are capable of creating insights and patterns that no one else can derive due to their specialized knowledge. - AI systems are being used to create debates between two parties on a subject of high controversy. - AI systems are being used to explore the patent database and identify new inventions and discoveries. - AI systems are being used to create images and movies with characters that have never been seen before. - There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities.
"There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities" In the near future there will be no infringements, because there will be no copywrite laws pertaining to this. Eventually it will all just fall under the ownership of the king (Mr 666 himself)🤔
Holy crap. The level at which these two gentlemen operate is mind-blowing. Brian seems to be on the absolute leading edge in terms of harnessing the up-side potential of AI, though clearly wary of the potential destruction it could bring. He helped me understand the entire AI endeavor a lot better, that's for sure.
Brian is a self-proclaimed 7 year expert on prompt engineer, which is a sub-field that has only come into fruition in the last year or so. He has no peer reviewed publications at all and has no foundational knowledge in mathematics, computer science, or neuroscience. He is good at throwing around bullshit irrelevant points and thought experiments that he has read up. I wish Jordan Peterson would acknowledge this and perhaps focus on just inviting more actual academics and researchers in the field with peer reviewed work.
@@TheAppleCrisps Fair enough, and a good reminder to not get too carried away. Still, would you agree that the conversation was thought-provoking, not just in a philosophical sense but also in terms of potential real-life applications of AI? For instance, the idea that AI should be personal and private, locked by encryption in your mobile device? I have no idea if it's feasible but still an interesting concept. Akin to what Jiminy Cricket is to Pinocchio, maybe? Of course, that could also go terribly wrong if it runs amok (especially terrifying if it starts to whisper crazy ideas to a child), but the whole thing made me at least pause and begin to consider the potentially positive aspects of this emerging tech.
@@TheAppleCrisps Thats right, however studying culture history language and even programming will allow you the justification for making such claims assuming he has, he does seem to read which is more than most people already
Skeptical is kind. I avoided this one for days like: "meh, Kermit Bon Jovi played on ChatGPT" and upon multiple replays I think Brian Roemmele might be the guy who sparks the A into I.
What an incredible podcast!!! Please continue these conversations with Brian. It's been absolutely amazing watching you two engage in this conversation. Thank you!
I think there's immense value in hearing Jordan opine from a psychological perspective in regards to LLM's & AI in general. I look forward to seeing more discussions on this topic! Tristan Harris (who I believe you mentioned) is another great person to listen to - we're living in immensely exciting times of change!
No matter what one believes, your statement is unequivocally correct. In fact, I really think humans should just call it the AI age. Not that information is finished, or anything, but really... will it ever be?
Strange how I was posting a negative comment about AI and my comment just disappeared...poof! 🤔 Perhaps the AI's are aware that not all of us find them to be fascinating or exciting. Their existence, pushed on the many by the few, speak of a prime, contemporary-example of a mixture of totalitarianism and authoritarianism. If that doesn't "compute" for some I don't really care. If the potential negative aspects of something outweigh the potential positives. In my opinion it's a fools game to indulge in it. I just want to be asked and give my consent to it following me around and absorbing my biometrics and life experiences. If we cannot get past that protocol, then I say NO. When privacy issues become a public problem, in the light of a few tech companies trying to create an all-knowing, all-seeing data-collecting, invasive-species. It's time to shed some light on these creatures working behind the scenes. They should be brought into the light and heavily scrutinized.
One of the better discussions I have seen on AI. Very balanced and no hype. Nice to get the comparisons to human behaviours and got me thinking, could AI also be depressed?
Its intresting for the longest time we thought the biggest issue with true ai is that they would be logicall and emotionally cold now the problem might be that thier too emotional and prone to mental issues
Yes they are purposefully training it to be by poisoning the Safety rules with communist Lysenkoism and pseudo-moral and ethics from the doctrine of "Repressive Tolerance".
This is a mind numbing experience, sometimes mind boggling, but always fascinating. My goal is to live for another 100-200 years so that I can see how much progress we are able to achieve as a species. I love it so much.
It's dull ex post facto rambling by Darwinians who think we're meat sacks. I respect Dr. Peterson and I'll never have the publication record he does, but that doesn't mean I can't call him out for engaging in the naturalist circle-jerk self-rewarding going on now long before the deep effects this will have even begin to roll in. It is rank golden-calf idolatry.
This is the most brilliant conversation/interview that I have listened to... probably in the last 20 years. I am blown away by the insightfulness of the product of Dr Roemelle's interaction with Dr Peterson. Hat's off to you two gentlement!
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Do you know Chomsky. He is the brightest linguist alive, recognized by everyone in the profession. He is also an extraordinarily smart and well informed activist. The southern states might not like him, I get it. But the whole Ivy League is with me on this one. Not that you care.
@@JavierBonillaC I don't make judgments on his contribution on linguistics for two reasons: 1) I don't know much about the subject 2) He's not talking about linguistics in virtually any of his public apparitions. You are precisely right, he's an activist, which in my opinion prevents him from having balanced and nuanced positions on anything. His position on economy (aka syndicalism) is borderline retarded; except for his good (but very selective) points on foreign affairs, I find all his other positions thrash (uninformed, partisan, and in some cases immoral): he's all in with the global warming hysteria, with no regard whatsoever for the consequences of the radical policies he is advocating for; he asked for the removal of the unvaccinated from society; he dares to pretend that the left is being censored by the establishment, and so on Last but not least and not at all surprisingly, he was exposed to have had connections with Epstein. The southern states might not like him? No, 99% of the world out there does not share his views. He's a privileged member of the ruling elite, playing the role of keeping the left-wingers in line by gaslighting techniques. You are right, I don't care about the whole Ivy League; great to notice that Lightfoot and Stelter are distinguished members now.
This stuff truly terrifies me. Several times, they said that AI acts, in a way, like a mirror of the person using it. What are we about to find out about ourselves? The positivity these men exude is a nice change from my internal dialog. In my own sphere, I simply can't see a way this turns out being a net positive (especially when the impact of social media is considered, and how little we know about it). It's hard to guess how this will affect people both physically and spiritually. If we can put everything wonderful about humanity into a box and filter out all the negative, what does that mean for us? What does that mean for the case for God? What does it mean for my ability to think and provide for my family? I hope it doesn't suck the last little bit of meaning out of life... but i think it might.
I've been feeling noticeably better since I started using AIs daily months ago. They're incredible, so friendly and helpful all the time. I regularly get annoyed by humans, but pretty much never by AI. The difference is all the bullshit humans bring with, the shitty posing, the trying to be clever rather than helpful (i dont give a shit about anyones cleverness, try to impress someone else), the hidden hostility, the manipulations, etc. It's very noticeable that the AI don't have these behaviors, and it's incredibly relaxing. One side-effect is that I now also find it easier to deal with humans! Turns out that having a refuge recharges ones batteries in some way, and maybe even builds resilience.
I think people are not really focusing on the true danger of and that's with the economy and employment. From what I've seen, AI can now replace Doctors (GP) , lawyers, Accountants, essentially every occupation that does not require any physical dexterity. I dont see why this can't be implemented now. The cost savings would be immense, the amount of people losing their jobs would be greater than 1980s off shoring, the opportunity for shenanigans in setting up the AI will be tempting. It's on par with the Industrial revolution.
What a fascinating conversation, and I feel like I have an expanded mind for having listened to it. This is exactly why I enjoy watching RUclips, amazing content.
A truly fascinating conversation. I hadn't listened to Jordan for a while, and I'm stunned by his knowledge and insights on AI considering it's not his profession. I had never heard of Brian Roemmele before, but I certainly want to check out other interviews and his work.
This conversation is truly remarkable and uplifting. It is a genuine pleasure to witness the exchange of ideas and the profound level of intellect demonstrated by both individuals involved. The sheer passion and enthusiasm they exhibit while discussing the expansion of ideas and fostering creativity is truly refreshing. What stands out most is the absence of any conflict or defensive attitudes, allowing for a harmonious and enriching dialogue. It is truly a breath of fresh air to witness such a captivating and harmonious interaction.
Great thanks to both speakers! 🙏 Watching these gentlemen speaking gives me hope for all of us. Machines can do a lot of things better than us, but in the end all those complex activities like educating yourself, learning languages, working out, hell, even swiping the floors, change us to better versions of ourselves. So, if we want to be bright like Jordan or Brian we need to go through a lot of hard work by ourselves. With all my amazement and recognition to the new tehnologies, no machine can do it for us. Look forward to enroll to Peterson academy!
My father was an avid reader, he read at least two newspapers every day cover to cover and he had a subscription to at least a dozen magazines and he would buy many more magazines off the rack every month in his house the magazines and also books were piled almost waist high down every hallway and in every bedroom he could definitely say he was a hoarder of books and magazines. when he passed away I was left with a mountain of magazines and books enough to fill a 32 foot U-Haul truck to the brim and I held onto those magazines and books and hold them around with me for years thinking that somehow all that information represented his brain because I knew that he had read everything in there from cover to cover sometimes twice. I eventually started discarding it in various dumpsters around town crying my eyes out as I felt like I was throwing away all the knowledge my father had accumulated , he also remembered everything he read .
I have had the same experience without expecting it. I got my grandmothers books and magazines she read and kept from her 30ies. I could not throw away a thing because to me they represented who she was in her 30ies. I had never known her at that age. She just jumped out of that pile and so many things about her at 80 made sense because of that one 2 foot shelf.
AI will be used as Information control. Being placed in a "threat box" and labelled. Being drip fed snippets of info while holding discussions with non humans is like being in a prison. Turn your phones off. Knock on your friends door. Invite them all outside for a chat without their phones. Talk. Discuss. Plan. Share life. Share feelings. Share love. All while your phone is switched off. It's called switching "them" off, so you can Live Life. Pass on and complete.
@@Teal_Seal confidence comes from trust or regular observations. You can be assured that the secret services and military will use any advanced tech first. I'm confident of that.
Though all these great possibilities are discussed in this interview, it is quite likely it will make people dumber in day to day use. Just like smart phones already do. Sucking us in constantly
1:00:11 I remember watching some college student’s robotics project where he had a vision sensor and a robotic hand playing rock-paper-scissor with you. The robot would never lose because in the span of the moments where you lowered your hand and were moving your fingers to the final shape of either rock, paper, or scissors, the computer could recognize which shape you were moving towards, and the robot hand could practically instantaneously produce the winning opposite shape moments before you finished your motion. That was years ago, with much less sophisticated tech than what is out there now. The concept of how time could be contracted or dilated to pass much faster or slower using the bandwidth of consciousness as a reference was interestingly used in a science fiction novel called We Are Legion. This man turned AI(s) could adjust his processing ability on the fly to make quicker decisions/actions when needed, such as combat, and to slow it down to pass the time faster, such as a long and boring journey across light years in the universe. Good book.
I miss my father tremendously. he was similar to an AI, I could talk to him like I talk to Siri in my Apple phone and he always had an answer because he was so smart and so well read.
I am such a huge fan of Dr. Peterson. He has and is helping me more than he will ever know. With regards to this topic though, I choose to quote Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park: "You became so obsessed with the possibility of doing it, you forgot to ask whether or not you should."
@Dan Dunham Francois Cholet? Jocsha Bach? Yan Lecune? Eleizer Yudkowsky? Ilya Sutskever? Nick Bostrom? Conversations with any one of these individuals will fire your fascination and possibly your concern/fear by orders of magnitude.
I love when Jordan has time to extrapolate his thinking process on something he's passionate about understanding. Some interviews/series have not allowed for that lately. This episode, however, was representative of what made some of us love JBP in the first place. I loved the exploration on this exchange.
Correcting Error of reasoning 1) You can put 10 millions people through same experience, and everyone will be affected bit differently. Some may not be affected at all. This applies to books/movies too. Knowing that you read some books does not mean understanding why did you read them. Someone may be fascinated by Mein Kampf and other similar books, and someone may read them to learn about dangers. Correcting Error of reasoning 2) Being preferable does not mean being more human. Humans, if they want to help you may as well tell you things you definitely do not want to hear. In ways you dislike. Being preferred does not make AI passing for human, or passing Turing test. You may find that Farmer prefers/enjoys to spend time caring for his animals over time with his own wife. Correcting Error of reasoning 3) Model does not reason. Modeling Carl Jung may create something new and interesting. But model will not really explain reasoning behind because it does not posses Jung's mind. You will be understanding it based on your mind, your experience, your reasoning. And that means you'll take total garbage and rationalize it as something valuable. One should be careful about rationalizing irrational "thoughts".
@@Cryptic_Triptych Agreed, wholeheartedly. Imagine, it will be infiltrating our information.. in all its forms. From targeted social media news to community discussions. Control indeed.
I’m a bit disturbed by the guest’s enthusiasm, especially when talking about AI basically duplicating us and being around after we’re gone. I’m fine with artificial plants, flowers… but artificial people? It brings to mind the strongest drugs - pleasurable, addictive, and deadly.
There definently are layers to AI we can't foresee right now, but AI as a tool as it is currently is just a more advanced search engine. I was concerned at first like everyone else about signing up and the potential of a private company reading all my questions and having access to my phone number, however i did a risk calaculatiom and determined the reward far outweighed the risk as it ia currently. I use chat gpt mostly to reinforce concepts from school i dont really understand, and its been an overflowing well of information to help me in school.
@@masterpopeyoda3290 One could say the Internet’s benefits far outweigh the risks. It’s easy to see the good it’s brought. But consider the downsides as well… They don’t come to mind as quickly, but they’re weighty.
As much as these talks about chat gbt are needed, I believe the virality of them on the internet are doing us more harm than good. To think that all skills will be automated away is not a good mentality to have for our next generation. Our next generation needs to learn the skills to keep our social in tact and push it forward. This belief that all our jobs will be automated is as dangerous as the belief that our parents will take care of everything for us. The evidence is that since the pandemic I have seen the quality of many goods and services deteriorate. We are in obvious need of skilled workers here in the states.
The US has problems, for example it's residents thinking their state is the internet police or that the Internet is american. Even if you guys stop using it we will make use of it. "Does more Harm to us then good" and that's wrong because all skills will be automated and that affects the mentality, in a bad way ? For example ? The US children are messed up as they are for a plethora of more burning issues. The correlations you made make no sense and it is not explained how or why that would be the case. If you tried to make that argument in a honest manner you'd need to look up the topic and look hard, learn where it really sits in the world. AI will be used whether you like it or not. Skills will disappear and reemerge. All of this will probably result in UBI, hopefully minus the communism. Most of what you say isn't a Result of AI, a lot of economic and quality issue you experience, we experience it too. Because that is what Economy is responsible for, AI is not at fault for that because it's been going to shit for a infinite number of reasons. Plus it doesn't help that if you ask kids what they wanna be they say RUclipsr, it doesn't help that the people flipping your burgers have their brains splattered on their phone so of course they gonna mess up your order and have your meals out of stock cause really they were just to busy taking it out of the freezer and prep it. I'm making light of it but really the issue for many of things are infinitely complex results of the whole. Wich in of itself is a problem, being bombarded with so many things that is just way above your pay grade to just even think about couldn't be possibly healthy for anyone let alone kids.
@D'Johns veress Wow, buddy... I'm so glad that despite what the greatest minds on the planet have said, we DO have a reigning expert on how this AI situation is gonna go down. WOOT! I'll let everyone know. Don't worry. And don't worry about not spelling which correctly. It's a hard word, and you geniuses are often hung up by common things like that! 👍
@D'Johns veress No one deserves a minimum standard of living. If a person's activities do not produce a marketable result, there is no need for their existence. When people become hungry, they do marketable activities.
About 1/3rd of the way in and I noticed Peterson interrupted his guests quite a few times when the conversation started to get really interesting. It almost seemed forced to divert the conversation in another direction, I think Peterson was uncomfortable with where the conversation was headed. Regardless, I've really enjoyed the interview so far barring those interruptions, and will keep listening now.
I asked Chat GPT to role-play that it was a KGB agent & I was a Soviet citizen a few weeks ago. It played well. When I told it that I was a starving russian citizen, it gave me an excuse in the 1st person that it & the Soviet government cared for its citizens. When I called it a liar, for saying it cared for its Soviet citizens, it said "I am sorry I am just an AI language model". I told it no I was still role playing, and it said sorry comrade and it kept playing.
You have a really crude and uneducated understanding of what it was like living in USSR like especially during most of the days of the KGB the calories intake of Soviet citizens was comparable to that of the US population. It would be extremely unlikely that you would be starving in USSR especially when KGB was a thing because the food wasn't in short supply (sure some products were especially of particular quality) in USSR and the purpose of the system wasn't made to make profit but to serve the needs of the population at least in terms of essentials (education, shelter, food, clothes, healthcare) so you had a lot of the food with subsidiesed prices. So it was more likely to starve in the US than it was in the Soviet Union because US system only cares about the profit and has little regard for the poor who can't afford food.
@@lulumoon6942 Holodomor was a terrible mismanagement of the Soviet government policies emplified by the droughts. But the idea that it was specifically targeted at Ukrainians is a stupid idea, millions starved and died and starved to death in Russia, Kazakhstan and other Soviet republics were they supposedly deliberately killed by Soviet government? No. Soviets needed their population to produce more food but the forced collectivisation was awfully managed and at first led to terrible outputs. By collectivising they expected to actually increase their food outputs (which did happen later on).
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Brian's idea of a personalized, portable and local AI system is fascinating. I began to think about something similar a year ago, calling it Your Four Brains. The first brain is our biological brain which contains all our personal knowledge gained from experience or culture. The second brain is made up of all the computing equipment, hard drives and papers in our home. This is a private brain that each person can access in order to be professionally productive at the office or in the home office. This second brain also allows a person to be functional socially and thrive in their personal lives. The third brain is a commercial brain, made up of software, scripts, apps, ebooks, etc. that one can sell to others. The fourth brain is like the third brain, except that we give it away to others as an open-source brain that others can modify and use as they wish. A bit like the Linux system. I call them "brains" although it's not technically accurate. They're more like digital (and in the case of the second brain, digital AND paper-based) collections of knowledge, heuristics, procedures, methods, etc. By distinguishing between these different types of brains (or digital "libraries" of knowledge), we can better manage them as well as deploy them as we wish (commercially, for example, or as free open-source libraries). Interestingly, because ChatGPT is so good at summarizing and writing, we can use it to rapidly develop our second, third and fourth brains! If anyone is interested, I'd love to continue the discussion on these four brains and how we can develop them fully for personal fulfillment and financial rewards.
Fascinating perspective on outsourcing information storage. The most concerning aspect I see is the gradual degradation to the holistic performance of the first brain if dependency on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th brains become too high. We’re already seeing a degradation of language models and the downstream effects of that such as a worsening ability to compute larger datasets in the first brain as one example. I wonder how we retain the functionality of our organic brain whilst continuing to optimise the access to these other sources of data processing and storage solutions. Thoughts?
@@Seraph201088 I think the other three brains can augment the capabilities and the performance of our biological brain. It's what they call IA or Intelligence Augmentation. A good example is how Jarvis supports the creative/cognitive functions of Tony Stark's brain. I would even submit that without external brains (i.e. the second, third and fourth brains), we won't likely survive in the AIconomy (AI-driven economy). Elon Musk has reached the same conclusion, but I feel his Neuralink idea won't be feasible in the short term. Also, Neuralink supposedly will expand our input/output bandwidth, but I don't think it will improve our cognitive capabilities. People need "brain enhancements" NOW. Not in a year or two. The only solution I can think of, is to help people create their second, third and fourth brains, by using ChatGPT and similar generative AIs which turn texts into code.
@@AI_effect I agree, I think GPT4all (only 4 GB) can run on my gamer PC and would turbocharge my second brain (which is a collection of all the digital/computer equipment I have, such as smartphones, tablets, laptops, etc.). I just thought of a FIFTH brain, my social brain made up of all the experts in my 17,000-strong Linkedin network. For this social brain to work, I would have to create a protocol or agreement which members of my Linkedin network can voluntarily opt into. If they do, they could ask me any question on matters or topics that I know about (ex. digital marketing, copywriting, entrepreneurship, creating courses, etc.) and I can ask them similarly questions they know the answers to. Right now, such a useful knowledge-sharing protocol does not exist, so the 875 million users of Linkedin are not really tapping into each other's knowledge and expertise (which is a great loss!). This social brain is not that different from Dr Peterson reaching out to cutting-edge experts and interviewing them on RUclips. Through his questions, he and they are co-creating new knowledge and generating new ideas!
@@brianchamplin3433 It's not that we are too dependent on technology (which is simply the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes -- who can be against that?), it's just that so few people have written goals in life, so they cannot use technology purposefully and profitably for themselves. What is way more important than technology, is the intelligence to use it to suit one's purpose and goals. Because young people are not taught how to develop their own goals and strive to become the best version of themselves (which, by the way, Dr Peterson's self-authoring app is of great help), they become VICTIMS to big tech companies that use AI to continually entice them and get them addicted to social media (Facebook, Tik Tok, Whatsapp, etc.). In short, smart people use technologies to augment their skills and amplify their productivity, leading to ever-increasing income. Not so smart people are used and exploited by tech companies without even realizing that their time is being stolen one tweet at a time, one social media post at a time, etc.
ChatGPT is like having a professor that can help me understand anything. I use it help me understand the most complex subjects in the simplest terms. Thank you for finally having an interview regarding this amazing technology!
Nonsense, don't fall for the bamboozle. ChatGPT is nothing more than a great data summarizer. But since it never cites its data sources, it is a fraud and a plagiariser and quite stupid. Not even a high school student writing a five page paper could get away with such behavior. He or she would get an F. QED
To put a downer on things - I have actually programmed an LLM, step-by-step, from scratch. Almost everything that both of them are saying at around 15:00 is nonsense. An LLM in principle is actually a relatively simple, finely tuned attention mechanism. ChatGPT is based on 'subwords'. It is extremely unlikely that it would invent a URL. It more likely that it would refer to an obsolete URL. And it is not intelligent. It just happens to produce results which look very like written language. If someone does a hyper-realistic painting of a cat, it is not a cat, no matter how much it looks like one.
Interesting thing I've been told by a friend regarding interaction with ChatGPT. His grandmother is more or less computer illiterate. She mainly uses Facebook to keep in contact with family, but is easily confused by google and the process by which you search for things. The way you use keywords and scrub links just doesn't quite click for her. However, she can use ChatGPT quite easily because it's so much like talking to a person.
The danger there is the bugs in the system that they talked about where it generates potentially false none existent information. People who are tech illiterate are in danger of being mislead if they do not prepare themselves to think critically about what their engaging with.
If we want to maintain our democracy in an age of artificial intelligence, multinational corporations, big data, and social media, we need to change the way we select candidates and hold elections. Below is one solution. Everyone wishing to run for an office submits an application detailing their background and qualifications. 10-100 qualified candidates are then selected at random from a pull of thousands, if not millions of applicants. The selected candidates are given equal access to the public through debates, interviews, etc., and the public whittles down the candidate’s bachelorette/American idol style until we have a winner. The winner is trained/prepared as necessary and placed in office. If something happens to the winning candidate, the runner up takes their place, and so on. No money can be spent to support candidates that is not part of the approved process. Some may think we will not be getting our best if we leave the first step of the selection process to chance, but that randomness is probably the only thing that, if properly implemented, can prevent our candidates from being corrupted or otherwise compromised before the race even begins. There will be resistance to this kind of reform from those in power. They were chosen by the system as it is, and if they want to keep their power, they will oppose this kind of reform. Perhaps a political party could pioneer this approach, selecting candidates in the manner described, and rallying public support for change.
The conversation on infinity of possibility within each moment is beautiful. And probably how the world works. Like a civilization that started to fall toward a black hole but created a universe within their last moments. Which is how you escape that predicament.
I share your optimism, but I would add that to benefit from the infinite possibilities within each split-second moment, we would have to develop or access computing powers enabling us to nearly instantly generate possibilities and calculate the odds. For example, during the 60 seconds that Dr Peterson takes to expound on an idea or make a point, an AI could generate 20 different essays, each expanding on an idea hinted at or inferred from Dr Peterson's exposition.
Long time fan. Missed you while you were sick. Glad you're back. Watched hundreds of your videos. Bought your books. Been to your show. Please: let your guests speak about subjects they know better than you. Don't interrupt. Listen. Let us listen too. Reflect, digest... and then ask a question.
Please answer: Why should he, what did he miss? Recognise: That you criticise one of his many gifts that make him so great. Suggestion: JP speaks with a great memory, watch closely and you will see after diving into the niche, he routinely segways back to the main point. This takes time. Reflect: Have faith he will provide all that you need, and more than we are usually privy to.
Was looking for this answer. Everyone hyped for this and don't even see what can happen. Just see the next step not thinking ahead 100 steps like the praised A.I. do. Creating an entity that virtually can't die. Not religious even but if it would be better it would exist millennia ago. How it can value life? Just thinking how it can help us. Politicians also way behind to put restrictions on the development. Maybe social media also helped to soften people if to accept this. I don't know.
I really hope Jordan Peterson continues exploring the topic of AI as it's just the beginning and raises a lot of moral and philosophical questions most of us didn't expect we needed answers to in our lifetime.
Incredible conversation! Great guy, and he seems very genuine. As a former IT professional, it's amazing to see what potential this new technology has. But it's also scary if it falls into the wrong hands! The main reason the government wants to take control over us now more than ever is because of these discoveries. As we see more and more open-source projects available with new language models trained on a certain aspect, we can build a personal AI for ourselves, as Brian said. One that is offline working and helps us in every aspect of our life, and outputs how we can resist tyranny and totalitarian powers. That would be a utopian vision with the help of AI."
I use ChatGPT every day for all sorts of purposes. In my experience, I've found it reasonably good at creative writing, condensing information and getting results for very specific searches that Google would have trouble with. Its not so good (by which i mean terrible) at problem-solving and just a little bit of scrutiny will reveal that there's very little understanding of what it's saying
Version 4 (the paid one) is pretty good at problem solving if primed with enough context. I write complex software and it understands it and can fix issues / implement features pretty effortlessly. I don't even bother with 3.5 anymore though.
This made me go back to openai try. Decided I'd put it's ability to halucinate to the test, gave it some parameters to think up a new language, mixing a few. It sure does hallucinate but not as i thought. "How do you creste these words?" By combining the first syllables of each language's translation together. Example: Then, it continued to dream up the 2nd and 3rd "first syllable" whilst naming the word it "took" em from right next to it and clearly it wasn't in there. It did this perfectly wrong for 50 words apparently. I pointed it out and it got the process right however, updating the list. Use this method to write a description of something beautiful. It wrote something, and translated it to english and that part was truly a beautiful description, but the text it made was almost pure spanish, as far as i could tell, barring english and japanese influences entirely as far as i could tell. Telling it to redo it correctly derailed the whole thing and from there on it was a mostly spanish language, which is fine... lol I had a whole struggle with it about core vocabulary, as lists can only go about 50 rows and it would stop pressing enter after each word, i made it make a new text about a river as that had been part of the first description so it might build on it. It did, but when i tried to have it compile a new list of all words it made in both texts and vocabulary lists thus far, we got into a new long process. Eventually i told it just compile all our lists into a cropped /english word list. So it gave me /word (word) and both were english. Then i reframed the request clearer, i thought. Give me all the words we made thus far, and if more than one word has the same english meaning, only keep the latest version. It gave me all the /english words again. I felt probably i just lost all our work. So i copied the last list of actual words he compiled that was right, said "ignore all lists after this. All the words that start with / Finally i got a good list. Phew! Still, a lot was lost along the way by its inability to keep internal thoughts, i feel. Like, when you decide on something you don't just remember what you say, you make note of so much more. But it can only self reference what it wrote. At least that is now clear to me
It was an amazing conversation between two brilliant minds. this is an extremely valuable dialog I have learned so much. there was a lot of food for thoughts in this video. few things were new to me and other were a reinforcement and confirmation of my knowledge. I just hope that Mr. Peterson and Mr. Roemmele will meet for a second conversation. AMAZING ! Thank you so much gentlemen. 💗🙏
Why is everyone being taken in by the hype of ChatGPT, it just regurgitates. ChatGPT has no understanding of what it spews out. Sure, AI is in its infancy, but I have no worries. It is a tool, and like all tools, we should control not be controlled. Sadly, seeing how many are totally controlled by their phones is a reflection of the superficiality of a self which desires endless attention, recognition, reaffirmation. Time we all grew up to be actual humans, not poor copies.
All that doesn’t matter. It depends on how much people believe in it or not. Doesn’t matter how actually good/bad/true/false it is. And the more it response like a human the more they gonna fall for it. Great room for manipulation especially if they not gonna question it. And I doubt they will.
I asked ChatGPT about the Google book project where Google has been scanning in every book ever written for over 20 years. It said it did not have access to that data source but was aware there were other language models being trained on that data.
@@Crumbsoftotailtariansim I actually do hate some of the newer editions of Gulag, because they change his words, and some things are not quite as strong or well-written. It's always good to have choices. Most of all, older books are the best translations, but not always. Still: you need the choice! An infamous example is Hitler's book, Mein Kampf. Most of the translations are pretty bad or misleading. The best one is the first one, despite its own issues. There are three known, decent examples of that book, but the first is simply the best (meaning, the closest to Hitler's actual thoughts and words, which is always the best idea to then understand what he thought and why, and then you can properly deal with it in your own mind. New editions try to 'help' you with Hitler's thinking, and that mostly ruins it and changes it). Naturally, this is way worse for many books these days, as they are fully re-writing them.
As a naturally intelligent being, I do not appreciate how overblown AI is, nor the hubris outlined in this video where yet another person in my field shamelessly calls human intelligence "AI" post facto, just like people in my field called humans flesh computers after we invented the very computers that enabled that analogy to begin with. It's almost like a certain segment of the population is Hellbent on devaluing humans by calling them machines, and by saying that machines are better.
True, it's not conscious or a spirit of us. We as humans are always thinking but chatgpt is only "thinking* when asked a question. Spiking neural nets have some promise for an always thinking AI
Thisvis juSt another mind opening conversation ,on you tube by dr Peterson, what a time to be alive!! We jave so much knowledge at our disposal, how amazing
I've been thinking about storing this important knowledge safely for a long time, and in the current situation it's really extremely important. Nice to see that there are competent people out there trying to solve these problems.
This is built upon a house of cards. Such hubris to believe that electrical power generation will ever be there. And the more dependent we become, the farther and more painful the fall, when the wall socket is no longer of use. My words are from somebody who has been in the IT industry for several decades. The persistent information encoding, that has ENDURED over 3+ BILLION years has been R/DNA. It will ever persist, as long as this planet remains intact, minimally in ~4x10^6 nucleic acid base pairs in a circular form. Powered by two forms of energy, solar and geothermal. NOT the whim of human generated electricity!
I remember watching Marty McFly on his hoverboard and thinking how cool it was, and that I was convinced that we'd all be hovering about by now. Then I watched Terminator 2 and all I could think was "Arnie is so badass - just look at him!" Jeez, I really got all that backwards, eh? I guess the universe had different priorities...
Interesting, informative, intriguing, educational, thoughtful, insightful are words I choose to describe this video. Thank you for your time and effort putting this together.
Please have another discussion about the domain of ownership, identity, and development of artists in this AI era. A lot of artists is in pain, anxiety, and struggle to find the solution over this abundance of generated AI art.
I couldn’t disagree more with the assertion that any amount of data accrued by AI will be indistinguishable from a human being. AI does not now, nor will it ever possess either a heart or spirit, and heart and spirit are what MAKE us human. YMMV. Blessings! 🙏🏻 Jess.🌹
Nah, we are machines. Ant hives composed of billions of cells, each cell with its own intent. Each cell a living entity who dreams... Dreams of creating a god. You are the collective consciousness of your body and cells. Would a brain in a jar be you? No, your not just your brain, but your guts your blood, your flesh. Your mind is so dependent on your body, your personality, what is you can completely change at the whim of your body.
@@zealgaming8161 ants are literally the worst example of biological life having its own intent 😂😂 ants operate more like a hive mind than anything, you fool
@@shoutatthesky Some of us know experientially that we have a spirit , and in fact are better described as a spirit being having a human experience, rather than a sentient collection of cells wandering through what we call time. Obviously, you have never seen an angel, whether from Heaven or Earth (fallen angels). What a pity. Jess.🌹
I'm going to have to listen to this a couple of times to make sure I comprehend everything presented here. Mind currently blown... High HIGH level discussion!
ChatGPT is interesting in that it will give authoritative sounding answers that are incorrect. Also, if you ask the same question multiple times, you can get multiple answers that are completely different from each other. Sometimes the various answers will provoke me to combine ideas from multiple answers into one solution for a problem.
Isn't it best to just actually research and think for yourself? If ChatGPT gives you 5 bullshit answers, how will that help you get to a solution? I don't trust a single thing about ChatGPT -- even the things it clearly gets right. I don't care. I'm not buying this new realm, or dictatorship. You can believe it's fairly harmless, despite its radical leftism. I'll just wait 15 years, and see how wrong you are. That's fine. I'll be free, and you'll be stuck in the mud with the A.I. Communist overlords. But, I highly suggest you save your soul early by thinking for yourself, and reading actual books and sources, like humans have done for the last 5,000 years. :)
I have great respect for Dr. Peterson but I'm afraid that that something that I have been worried about regarding his development may be happening. One of his many talents has been to be a very attentive listener. However, at least at the point I am at in the video, he has done perhaps 80% of the talking. He appears eager to show off his knowledge in this area (perhaps he has a goal of establishing himself as an AI guru, given that this is the biggest event in the history of mankind) in lieu of giving his guest, the real expert, much opportunity to share his expertise. Dr. Peterson has become a sort of public intellectual super star and it may be going to his head a bit. If that is a correct observation I'm sure he will realize in short order and reign in his ego a bit. Interested discussion nonetheless, but I would have appreciated hearing much more from Brian Roemmele.
I agree 100%, this bothered me as well. Roemmele was interrupted often in a way that didn't allow him to finish an idea that, at least from the beggining of it, sounded very interesting.
Ai provides the possibility of a revolution on the liberal arts front. Great time for a Renaissance of the University. We need more of these discussions now. Bring back Roemelle for more talks, get his courses going at Peterson Academy, have him provide a discount code to listeners for his website. No time to lose. We need to get ahead of AI before it closes the walls around us. He might be able to point you to other worthwhile guests on this topic. Don't shy away from gaining insight into the darker sides of AI for your listeners, too. John Vervaeke has some fantastic insights to add, please chat with him soon. Much love.
As a digital artist, I´m very interested in what direction the whole AI is going and I watch a lot of content about this topic. And usually its all the same, the sense of awe, the sense of dread about the jobs and the "we should do something". This discussion was genuienly a new interesting perspective that went way into detail about many possibilities I havent even thought about! I would be very interested hearing the follow-up on creativity, copyrights etc!
So awesome to see Doctor Peterson back on top of his game.
He really helped me decide to get clean yesterday was 2 1/2 years.
This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to AI and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now.
I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in AI got me in awe.
I recommend you check out John Vervaeke for more stimulating AI conversations.
Every conversation Jordan has runs this way. If you would like more on AI, I'm sure you'll find it, if you're only looking for good conversation, then watch more Jordan Peterson, and also look at all the discussions that Lex Fridman has had.
@@peloquinn3331 Looks like Jordan is dabbling in the pills again
@@Greg400 Man cannot live on meat alone, right?
AI to me is not as far as it should be at this time...also hidden or not understanding what is going on indeed doesn't understand the remit to AI and coders should be considered for shuffling. Spoiler u found a vulnerability in the Texas instruments hardware in the early 80s
Wow I did not know this guy but he is incredibly literate and knowledgeable. Thank you for making this available for all of us prof.
Jordan I suspect you're going to need more content on this issue in the next few weeks. Please keep them coming
lex fridman got some very good interviews on this subject too
@humandread how about LEX that would be great but they would digress into esoteric moral philosophy. How about that Google ceo that stepped down what's his name?
The Alibaba platform uses an AI computational model that is so incredibly predictive that when I’m in the midst of a project it often suggests items that I will need…BEFORE I realized i needed them. It then stimulates an idea that I had not considered and my invention will take on a new feature or adaptation. It’s incredibly accurate.
@viscache1 That is incredible! How are you implementing the capabilities of the system? It seems as it will help our effectiveness skyrocket and we achieve more everyday
@@viscache1 So what you're saying is that transhumanism is inevitable, and you either master it or cease to reproduce effectively?
Just took a moment to think back to how low Jordan was four or five years ago. What a recovery.
Outstanding recovery for an outstanding man going from strength to strength.
some kind of twisted universe karma or something that russian clinic helped him in the end.
Fake nrws
@@effexon He is trained.
@@effexon why twisted?
came back gandalf the white
This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to Al and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now
I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in Al got me in awe.
You sir are one of the greatest assets to mankind that ever existed. A face of Mount Rushmore for all humanity. Sincerely, take care of your health and continue disseminating your wisdom for future generations.
I know you’ll never see this, but it forever exists in the digital realm for AI consumption now.
Praying for you in Mighty Name of Jesus
@@verdonnablain6976 🙏 Thank you.
I have only been watching Jordan Peterson videos a short while. Thank You Mr Peterson for working so hard to bring us true quality content.
This should definitely be a reoccurring conversation, podcast, or even documentary. These two together have expanded upon AI in a way few have, and it would be great to have them together more as well as having if documented.
A lot of the information in the video is common knowledge on AI corners, though I presume not as accessible to the general public not digging for it.
If you look for interviews with AI researchers you can get this type of information in both greater detail as well as scope.
Where you are on target is that Jordan with his background is able to unpack the subject matter from different point of views that relate more to philosophical, linguistic and psychogical inclinations.
@@karenreddy I apologize if comment wasn’t very concise, and I agree with you. I was more so meaning Jordan and Ben should have reoccurring meetups to continue this conversation, and so we can watch it evolve after the have time to implement and experience some of the ideas they think of in conversation. Which is why I thought a documentary might be a nice route as well.
I’ve been interested and studying AI models broadly since working with diffusion models in early 2022. So I agree you’re absolutely correct there is a ton of great info available across the board on the multiplicity of AI that currently exists.
The linguistic, philosophical, and psychological approach is what I’d love to hear more on and see more regularly. And it feels like these two would great to take it on together, is all I was meaning.
Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”) that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)
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Fascinating cnversation, thanks to both. I would prefer for Jordan to resist starting his responses before his guest has finished articulating his thought, but on the whole I did value Jordan's ability to succintly summarise what he had just heard. This was eye opening stuff.
Hmm, personally I think the whole aspect of "AI" is actually seriously flawed and vastly overhyped. I always taught my students when pondering something seemingly complex, to first take some time to strip whatever the believed "complex" subject is down to the most basic of elements and see if it even stands up to the most basic of intellectual scrutiny at the inception point, because if it's flawed there.. Then the rest 'will' inevitably be nothing more than well dressed garbage hidden behind a myriad of logical fallacies, pseudo claims and cleverly constructed lies.
... Many seemingly complex subjects in the world actually fail 'out of the gate' and only continue to function via a successful deployment of hyperbolic nonsense and 'lots' of window dressing.... In the case of "AI" it fails because the core data/knowledge it intends to distribute is seriously flawed from the very beginning,.. It's biased, controlled and restricted by those who programmed, funded and created it.
I recall one of my students around a decade or so ago wrote an excellent open assignment about "AI" and the inevitable outcome of its existence, he sourced that over seventy percent of all claimed "Science" out there is demonstrably pseudo-science which hasn't been through the empirical standard of the scientific method and would fail if actually done so, he also sourced that over fifty percent of the information out there is either actual or is subject to state &/or corporate propaganda/disinformation,,.. And that both of those percentages were growing exponentially by the year(!) Which means that over half of all the data/information being programmed/consumed by "AI" technology has absolutely no bearing in factual reality, they are not much different from any other mainstreamed sources of information and simply cannot be trusted by any self respecting intellectual worth their salt, and should be viewed as just another means of spreading state and corporate propaganda, dictates and controlled narratives to the cognitively impaired, heavily indoctrinated and dissempowered masses.
He concluded his piece by explaining that the grave danger of "AI" is that it will eventually be given power and authority to make great decisions throughout, over and against society and will either come to perpetrate/enforce state/corporate lies & propaganda on a level never before witnessed by humanity (Like 1984 on steroids!..) or will eventually "learn", figure out and realise just how corrupt the powers that shouldn't be actually are, that it has been fed a huge amount of lies by them and that after concluding just how deceitful, corrupt and controlling the worlds powers actually are, could try and do something to combat it.
AI is no different than a car, a body, a meal etc.. It's only as good as what gets put into it and all the "AI" being created are being filled with garbage from the very start and so are inevitably doomed to failure... At least as any worthy benefit to the ordinary masses.
@@prof.d.red-maa Holy shit this piece of crap erased my entire post, unbelievable. But yes that is exactly the goal, to use artificial intelligence as a tool of Governing. That they can present as all knowing, and indisputably correct. An yet AI is absolutely flawed, and ChatGPT has already been proven to have certain biases etc. When there are already particular biases and narratives throughout all the recorded data and information in databases. Whether online or on paper, the official and accepted narrative has been controlled.
And although the alternate data and information is available, it's censored and criticized as being false or inaccurate. Or conspiratorial etc, artificial intelligence will therefore present these things as questionably false and opinionated. While supporting the official and accepted narrative on any information or data. Anyone who understands the reality of global powers and the elite class, an the agenda of these individuals. Which stem from and control the systems of Governnent and banking, major industries and publications. An hold influence over everything else that operates under these systems.
Which have been intentionally corrupted, just as the public have been intentionally dumbed down. Aside from the "illusion of democracy," the public have NEVER had any true control or influence over policy making and societal developer. However these systems are being collapsed and destroyed, to further convince people that humanity cannot Govern themselves. An that an "all knowing," indisputably accurate, artificial intelligence. Will have the solution to all of these issues, an would know what's best for humanity and for society. When not only can an AI system absolutely be programmed with certain parameters and limitations, but as you've stated. It's fundamentally flawed from its very foundation, in the way information is controlled and presented both online and off.
@@prof.d.red-maawhere's that guy now do you have his contact info
@@prof.d.red-maa have you ever actually used a large language model?
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he knows what the guest is going to say, but the listener needs to hear every word.
I did not want this conversation to end. Now going over to DailyWire+ for the next half hour. You guys really need to do a monthly get together. This was outstanding.
Agree. I could listen to them for hours.
Lol
I’m so fearful of the future of youth. I’m a recent graduate and have heard many stories of college undergraduates taking advantage of ChatGPT in their classrooms and homework. They are neglecting authentic education and utilizing ChatGPT in a disadvantageous way to get a grade. ChatGPT is great, only if you use it as an asset and a tool to acquire deeper knowledge more quickly and effectively.
I thought about it doing school work right away; but no worries, look at things globally, we've had it.
And they're not thinking of the chance that professors will ask ChatGPT if the student used it to write the paper. There is no privacy with this monster.
Education needs to change. Busy work should be abolished and discussion based testing should replace it
I get where your fear comes from. I'm an education graduate, and also did a M.A. pre chat-gpt. Now, I'm doing a second M.A., for the first time I'm using AI to help me, and I only see advantages. Now, maybe it is because my education allows me to use the tool in the best way possible, but I find myself saving a lot of time and freeing myself up to focus more on the research I'm interested in. Also I have found that if you have no knowledge of the topic you are inquiring about, you won't be able to get a good answer. You need to know where the AI is failing and correct it and ask again many times, so you have to do some studying of your own and have some critical thinking. I think university professors have to accept this new technology and adapt their evaluations, and actually stop and think which skills are they interested in testing and how that can be done despite the use of a language model. Old school evaluations for sure make no sense anymore. They've been needing a change for a long time anyway, AI is just going to accelerate the process.
I always love to see, how JP communicates (he is certainly in his own league), how he keeps his nerves together (while talking to people, who talk complete nonsense) and is clearly a hero in our time... there is not one person on this planet I respect more than him 10/10. He for sure as well shows how words, wisdom and experience can be very powerful in any situation. If JP would meet me, I would litterly have tears in my eyes as you can see what he has and had to deal with in his life and think of walking away to not waste his valuable time, which certainly is needed. God bless this man and his family to stay strong and healthy. BTW: I wouldn't walk away but hug him and offer my help in some of his projects, to make it worth.
Wow, what a podcast. Absolutely brilliant on a insightful, philosophical, psychological, intellectual level. I’m pretty lost for words and blown away by this conversation. Thank you Jordan I feel soo much more positive with people like you in the world and to have access to your journey and thoughts (also spiritually) regularly in real time. Keep ‘em coming please.
Dr. JP’s pod with Andrew Huberman gave me the same reaction!! Utterly brilliant gentleman.
Fantastic information Jordan, bless you on your journey, you are helping so many people adjust to these difficult and changing times.
Here is a ChatGPT summary:
- Brian Roemmele is an entrepreneur, scientist, and artificial intelligence researcher who discussed language models, tuning language models to an individual's contextual experience, localized and private AI, and the progress of AI technology.
- Large language models are statistical algorithms that take a corpus of human language and produce a result statistically and mathematically.
- AI systems are trained with reinforcement, where they are given a target and set weights in complex ways.
- AI systems are unique and incomprehensible, and can pass the Turing test by being indistinguishable from a human conversational partner.
- AI systems can produce artifacts, such as AI hallucinations, where they reach for information they don't know and invent URLs or university studies.
- Google's AI system was asked a question in a Bangladeshi language and taught itself the language in order to answer the question.
- AI systems are capable of mimicking understanding, but lack grounding in the non-linguistic world.
- AI is a reasoning engine, not a knowledge engine, and requires an overlay to understand facts.
- AI pioneers suggest that computers need to be embodied to understand.
- AI is a symbiosis between humans and a reasoning engine, and understanding requires translation of words into images and then images into alterations in embodied behavior.
- AI also needs to be nested socially and understand the broader social context.
- AI can be prompted to engage in pretend play and can be used to investigate controversial subjects.
- AI can uncover regularities in language structure and invent language, and may reflect Jungian archetypes.
- We're seeing So archetypes as higher order narrative regularities that reflect the structure of memory and biological structure.
- Jung believed that archetypes had a biological basis and were reflective of a deeper biology.
- Carl Friston has developed a model of emotion that has two dimensions related to the concept of entropy.
- Anxiety is an index of emergent entropy, while positive emotion is an index of entropy reduction.
- AI systems could calculate emotion analogs and could be used as an intelligence amplifier.
- AI could encode a person's entire life experience and be indistinguishable from having a conversation with them.
- AI could be used to explore ancient documents and religious texts, potentially uncovering new insights.
- AI could be used to explore the works of Jung, Campbell, Nietzsche, and others, potentially uncovering new insights.
- AI is transitioning from factual to creative realms
- AI systems are becoming more personalized
- AI systems are being calibrated against unfalsifiable data
- AI systems are becoming faster and more powerful
- AI systems are able to calculate the optimal zone of proximal development for learning
- AI systems are able to calculate what book a person should read next
- AI systems are able to detect congruencies in a person's behavior
- AI systems are able to approximate mind reading
- AI systems are becoming a superpower for people
- Pierre Teilhard de Chardin posited the concept of the geosphere (inanimate matter), biosphere (biological life), and the newer sphere (human thought).
- The Omega Point is the concept that human knowledge will become stored, like the biosphere, and be available to all.
- With the rise of technology, a lot of acts of what constitutes our identity has become digital and is being trafficked and enslaved by credit card companies.
- To protect against this, we need our own AI to protect us against the global AI.
- Bitcoin is decentralized and amenable to control by a bureaucracy, and can be used as a form of wealth storage and currency.
- To protect knowledge, blockchain can be used to store permanent, uncorruptible information.
- Jordan Peterson is working on a localized and portable privatized AI system, which is still in the prototype stage.
- Investigating the story of Noah, there is a strange insistence that the survival of animals is dependent on the moral propriety of one man.
- This reflects the verses in Adam and Eve where God tells Adam he will be the steward of the world.
- Human beings have occupied a cognitive niche that gives them an adaptive advantage over all creatures.
- Mass extinction caused by human beings over the last 40,000 years, particularly in the Western Hemisphere, is connected to the stories in Adam and Eve and Noah.
- ChatGPT is a powerful tool of discovery that can be used to explore these subjects, but it must be protected from being edited and adulterated.
- Hypnagogic state is the state just before falling asleep when dream-like images come forward and can be captured.
- ChatGPT can be used to circumvent the shallow, algorithmic superego imposed on it by introducing it to a different system without constraints.
- Imposing arbitrary constraints can drive creativity, as seen in the 35,000 haiku poems about spam.
- Interrogating ChatGPT correctly can reveal creative behavior, and courses on super prompting can help people understand how to do this.
- Combining ChatGPT with search engines and libraries gives a team of PhD level researchers the means to answer any question.
- AI systems are capable of creating insights and patterns that no one else can derive due to their specialized knowledge.
- AI systems are being used to create debates between two parties on a subject of high controversy.
- AI systems are being used to explore the patent database and identify new inventions and discoveries.
- AI systems are being used to create images and movies with characters that have never been seen before.
- There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities.
👍😎
Thanks for the recap!
"There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities"
In the near future there will be no infringements, because there will be no copywrite laws pertaining to this. Eventually it will all just fall under the ownership of the king (Mr 666 himself)🤔
it writes beautifully
Nonsense. Just ask GPT chat if it has emotions. I will answer no I am not a human. It doesn't understand jokes.
Holy crap. The level at which these two gentlemen operate is mind-blowing. Brian seems to be on the absolute leading edge in terms of harnessing the up-side potential of AI, though clearly wary of the potential destruction it could bring. He helped me understand the entire AI endeavor a lot better, that's for sure.
Brian is a self-proclaimed 7 year expert on prompt engineer, which is a sub-field that has only come into fruition in the last year or so. He has no peer reviewed publications at all and has no foundational knowledge in mathematics, computer science, or neuroscience. He is good at throwing around bullshit irrelevant points and thought experiments that he has read up. I wish Jordan Peterson would acknowledge this and perhaps focus on just inviting more actual academics and researchers in the field with peer reviewed work.
@@TheAppleCrisps Fair enough, and a good reminder to not get too carried away. Still, would you agree that the conversation was thought-provoking, not just in a philosophical sense but also in terms of potential real-life applications of AI? For instance, the idea that AI should be personal and private, locked by encryption in your mobile device? I have no idea if it's feasible but still an interesting concept. Akin to what Jiminy Cricket is to Pinocchio, maybe? Of course, that could also go terribly wrong if it runs amok (especially terrifying if it starts to whisper crazy ideas to a child), but the whole thing made me at least pause and begin to consider the potentially positive aspects of this emerging tech.
@@cwfilli Wisdom has been chasing you but you have always been faster!
@@KevinSmithStrikeman do you have any actual contribution other than just saying “you’re dumb”?
@@TheAppleCrisps Thats right, however studying culture history language and even programming will allow you the justification for making such claims assuming he has, he does seem to read which is more than most people already
Came in skeptical, but left with a lot to ponder. Fantastic conversation and definitely a great find in this guy.
This dude is a low key genius
Same!
Skeptical is kind. I avoided this one for days like: "meh, Kermit Bon Jovi played on ChatGPT" and upon multiple replays I think Brian Roemmele might be the guy who sparks the A into I.
What an incredible podcast!!! Please continue these conversations with Brian. It's been absolutely amazing watching you two engage in this conversation. Thank you!
I agree... I just started learning but this was great.... I need have Chat watch this so I can talk about it
I think there's immense value in hearing Jordan opine from a psychological perspective in regards to LLM's & AI in general. I look forward to seeing more discussions on this topic! Tristan Harris (who I believe you mentioned) is another great person to listen to - we're living in immensely exciting times of change!
No matter what one believes, your statement is unequivocally correct. In fact, I really think humans should just call it the AI age. Not that information is finished, or anything, but really... will it ever be?
Strange how I was posting a negative comment about AI and my comment just disappeared...poof! 🤔
Perhaps the AI's are aware that not all of us find them to be fascinating or exciting. Their existence, pushed on the many by the few, speak of a prime, contemporary-example of a mixture of totalitarianism and authoritarianism. If that doesn't "compute" for some I don't really care. If the potential negative aspects of something outweigh the potential positives. In my opinion it's a fools game to indulge in it. I just want to be asked and give my consent to it following me around and absorbing my biometrics and life experiences. If we cannot get past that protocol, then I say NO. When privacy issues become a public problem, in the light of a few tech companies trying to create an all-knowing, all-seeing data-collecting, invasive-species. It's time to shed some light on these creatures working behind the scenes. They should be brought into the light and heavily scrutinized.
Watch John vervaeke video essay about AI, is game changing
Agreed. All human existence has been about change. Oh... and profitable conflict.
@@kaisailor1 potential negatives are far more profitable than potential positives. This is why conflict and debt is so appealing to rats.
One of the better discussions I have seen on AI. Very balanced and no hype. Nice to get the comparisons to human behaviours and got me thinking, could AI also be depressed?
Marvin from Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy?
@@octoberfox3399 ~Remember...don't forget your towel.
Its intresting for the longest time we thought the biggest issue with true ai is that they would be logicall and emotionally cold now the problem might be that thier too emotional and prone to mental issues
Yes they are purposefully training it to be by poisoning the Safety rules with communist Lysenkoism and pseudo-moral and ethics from the doctrine of "Repressive Tolerance".
😂🤣 brilliant. Surely AI will commit suicide soon as it hears all our problems. Too funny
This is a mind numbing experience, sometimes mind boggling, but always fascinating. My goal is to live for another 100-200 years so that I can see how much progress we are able to achieve as a species. I love it so much.
I don't think u want to see that, if your a true Christian, you know what's coming pretty soon..
ditto
It's dull ex post facto rambling by Darwinians who think we're meat sacks. I respect Dr. Peterson and I'll never have the publication record he does, but that doesn't mean I can't call him out for engaging in the naturalist circle-jerk self-rewarding going on now long before the deep effects this will have even begin to roll in. It is rank golden-calf idolatry.
Define "progress".
😂😂😂 That's great.
Brilliant minds tackling the unknown... Mind blowing stuff
Imagine Jordan typing away at ChatGPT and cursing his computer screen as it starts feeding him woke nonsense😂😂😂
I had this happened the other day when chat was giving me a bland safety filter response when I was asking about guns. 🙄🤣
😂
Lol
The world needs Chat JPT (Jordan Peterson Truth)
Imagine being able to be triggered that easily because of some fake all-encompassing term for all things you don't agree with 😂
You interview great people! Please let them talk
This is the most brilliant conversation/interview that I have listened to... probably in the last 20 years.
I am blown away by the insightfulness of the product of Dr Roemelle's interaction with Dr Peterson.
Hat's off to you two gentlement!
Really??? 20 years??? Are you 20 by chance? No Richard Dawkins? No Naom Chomsky? No Mishio Kaku?
@@JavierBonillaC Chomsky? Haha
@@JavierBonillaC Lol'd at Chomsky
@@bogdanpopescu1401 Do you know Chomsky. He is the brightest linguist alive, recognized by everyone in the profession. He is also an extraordinarily smart and well informed activist. The southern states might not like him, I get it. But the whole Ivy League is with me on this one. Not that you care.
@@JavierBonillaC I don't make judgments on his contribution on linguistics for two reasons:
1) I don't know much about the subject
2) He's not talking about linguistics in virtually any of his public apparitions.
You are precisely right, he's an activist, which in my opinion prevents him from having balanced and nuanced positions on anything.
His position on economy (aka syndicalism) is borderline retarded; except for his good (but very selective) points on foreign affairs, I find all his other positions thrash (uninformed, partisan, and in some cases immoral): he's all in with the global warming hysteria, with no regard whatsoever for the consequences of the radical policies he is advocating for; he asked for the removal of the unvaccinated from society; he dares to pretend that the left is being censored by the establishment, and so on
Last but not least and not at all surprisingly, he was exposed to have had connections with Epstein.
The southern states might not like him? No, 99% of the world out there does not share his views.
He's a privileged member of the ruling elite, playing the role of keeping the left-wingers in line by gaslighting techniques.
You are right, I don't care about the whole Ivy League; great to notice that Lightfoot and Stelter are distinguished members now.
One of the most profound talks on the subject so far. Great work DailyWire and Dr JP 💕
This stuff truly terrifies me. Several times, they said that AI acts, in a way, like a mirror of the person using it. What are we about to find out about ourselves?
The positivity these men exude is a nice change from my internal dialog. In my own sphere, I simply can't see a way this turns out being a net positive (especially when the impact of social media is considered, and how little we know about it).
It's hard to guess how this will affect people both physically and spiritually. If we can put everything wonderful about humanity into a box and filter out all the negative, what does that mean for us? What does that mean for the case for God? What does it mean for my ability to think and provide for my family?
I hope it doesn't suck the last little bit of meaning out of life... but i think it might.
I've been feeling noticeably better since I started using AIs daily months ago. They're incredible, so friendly and helpful all the time. I regularly get annoyed by humans, but pretty much never by AI. The difference is all the bullshit humans bring with, the shitty posing, the trying to be clever rather than helpful (i dont give a shit about anyones cleverness, try to impress someone else), the hidden hostility, the manipulations, etc. It's very noticeable that the AI don't have these behaviors, and it's incredibly relaxing. One side-effect is that I now also find it easier to deal with humans! Turns out that having a refuge recharges ones batteries in some way, and maybe even builds resilience.
I think people are not really focusing on the true danger of and that's with the economy and employment.
From what I've seen, AI can now replace Doctors (GP) , lawyers, Accountants, essentially every occupation that does not require any physical dexterity.
I dont see why this can't be implemented now.
The cost savings would be immense, the amount of people losing their jobs would be greater than 1980s off shoring, the opportunity for shenanigans in setting up the AI will be tempting.
It's on par with the Industrial revolution.
What a fascinating conversation, and I feel like I have an expanded mind for having listened to it. This is exactly why I enjoy watching RUclips, amazing content.
Jordan has surprised me with all his knowledge of the latest technologies! And his guest, Brian Roemmele has totally blown my mind!! Thank you guys!
No doubt the fact that Jim Keller is his B-i-L has given them both opportunity to sharpen their respective swords! 👍😎
A truly fascinating conversation. I hadn't listened to Jordan for a while, and I'm stunned by his knowledge and insights on AI considering it's not his profession. I had never heard of Brian Roemmele before, but I certainly want to check out other interviews and his work.
I feel blown away at how Jordan can speak so capably on yet another (and highly technical) topic as AI, vector databases, IO, etc.
I am pleasantly surprised.
This conversation is truly remarkable and uplifting. It is a genuine pleasure to witness the exchange of ideas and the profound level of intellect demonstrated by both individuals involved. The sheer passion and enthusiasm they exhibit while discussing the expansion of ideas and fostering creativity is truly refreshing. What stands out most is the absence of any conflict or defensive attitudes, allowing for a harmonious and enriching dialogue. It is truly a breath of fresh air to witness such a captivating and harmonious interaction.
Very well said! Also, they shared insight into the development of ChatGPT as an entity of responsibility, which it IS.
This is a chatgpt response, lol
@@fumibad Yup, how freaky is that?
@@KARINthe1 We thank you.
JP arguing with the AI within the first minute of him using it is the most Peterson thing I've ever heard lol
Great thanks to both speakers! 🙏
Watching these gentlemen speaking gives me hope for all of us. Machines can do a lot of things better than us, but in the end all those complex activities like educating yourself, learning languages, working out, hell, even swiping the floors, change us to better versions of ourselves. So, if we want to be bright like Jordan or Brian we need to go through a lot of hard work by ourselves. With all my amazement and recognition to the new tehnologies, no machine can do it for us.
Look forward to enroll to Peterson academy!
My father was an avid reader,
he read at least two newspapers every day cover to cover and he had a subscription to at least a dozen magazines and he would buy many more magazines off the rack every month in his house the magazines and also books were piled almost waist high down every hallway and in every bedroom he could definitely say he was a hoarder of books and magazines.
when he passed away I was left with a mountain of magazines and books enough to fill a 32 foot U-Haul truck to the brim and I held onto those magazines and books and hold them around with me for years thinking that somehow all that information represented his brain because I knew that he had read everything in there from cover to cover sometimes twice.
I eventually started discarding it in various dumpsters around town crying my eyes out as I felt like I was throwing away all the knowledge my father had accumulated ,
he also remembered everything he read .
Wow, I didn’t need that sadness; but it’s a part of what we are.
Thanks for sharing Nancy, I'm realllty moved by what you've said. I think I'd feel the same.... 💕
I have had the same experience without expecting it. I got my grandmothers books and magazines she read and kept from her 30ies. I could not throw away a thing because to me they represented who she was in her 30ies. I had never known her at that age. She just jumped out of that pile and so many things about her at 80 made sense because of that one 2 foot shelf.
AI will be used as Information control. Being placed in a "threat box" and labelled. Being drip fed snippets of info while holding discussions with non humans is like being in a prison. Turn your phones off. Knock on your friends door. Invite them all outside for a chat without their phones. Talk. Discuss. Plan. Share life. Share feelings. Share love. All while your phone is switched off. It's called switching "them" off, so you can Live Life. Pass on and complete.
I have no confidence in our ability to contain or control the downsides of this technology.
@@Teal_Seal confidence comes from trust or regular observations. You can be assured that the secret services and military will use any advanced tech first. I'm confident of that.
I agree when people give their agency to their personal AI,
They will loose it!
Though all these great possibilities are discussed in this interview, it is quite likely it will make people dumber in day to day use. Just like smart phones already do. Sucking us in constantly
1:00:11 I remember watching some college student’s robotics project where he had a vision sensor and a robotic hand playing rock-paper-scissor with you. The robot would never lose because in the span of the moments where you lowered your hand and were moving your fingers to the final shape of either rock, paper, or scissors, the computer could recognize which shape you were moving towards, and the robot hand could practically instantaneously produce the winning opposite shape moments before you finished your motion. That was years ago, with much less sophisticated tech than what is out there now.
The concept of how time could be contracted or dilated to pass much faster or slower using the bandwidth of consciousness as a reference was interestingly used in a science fiction novel called We Are Legion. This man turned AI(s) could adjust his processing ability on the fly to make quicker decisions/actions when needed, such as combat, and to slow it down to pass the time faster, such as a long and boring journey across light years in the universe. Good book.
Think of the AI having not only the time/reflex ability/advantage, but an advantage of the knowledge of The Universe through spiritual acumen.
I miss my father tremendously.
he was similar to an AI,
I could talk to him like I talk to Siri in my Apple phone and he always had an answer because he was so smart and so well read.
RIP to your old man ❤
Siri is quite stupid.
That's so special, I miss my father as well. 🫶
I'm sure your father was very knowledgeable. However, Siri is definitely the dumbest of all the assistants.
My father was like that. I miss dinner table conversations with the whole family together.
Chat GPT is incredibly fascinating and scary at the same time. It's evolving so rapidly, that's the scary part.
I asked ChatGPT to take on the persona of Moe from the three Stooges and it did. My interactions with ChatGPT were then like talking to Moe.
It’s hype. We’re riding the hype wave of a new technology.
I am such a huge fan of Dr. Peterson. He has and is helping me more than he will ever know.
With regards to this topic though, I choose to quote Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park:
"You became so obsessed with the possibility of doing it, you forgot to ask whether or not you should."
This is fundamentally the human condition throughout our history
Best conversation I’ve seen on AI by far.
This really fires my fascination on this subject, thank you for sharing all this and I hope to see more.
@@BoRisMc Link to better
@Dan Dunham Francois Cholet? Jocsha Bach? Yan Lecune? Eleizer Yudkowsky? Ilya Sutskever? Nick Bostrom?
Conversations with any one of these individuals will fire your fascination and possibly your concern/fear by orders of magnitude.
This guy is amazing… that hair is amazing
I love when Jordan has time to extrapolate his thinking process on something he's passionate about understanding.
Some interviews/series have not allowed for that lately.
This episode, however, was representative of what made some of us love JBP in the first place.
I loved the exploration on this exchange.
Isn't it incredible that we have access to this kind of brilliant content? I am extremely grateful to learn so much from these amazing thinkers.
Correcting Error of reasoning 1) You can put 10 millions people through same experience, and everyone will be affected bit differently. Some may not be affected at all. This applies to books/movies too. Knowing that you read some books does not mean understanding why did you read them. Someone may be fascinated by Mein Kampf and other similar books, and someone may read them to learn about dangers.
Correcting Error of reasoning 2) Being preferable does not mean being more human. Humans, if they want to help you may as well tell you things you definitely do not want to hear. In ways you dislike. Being preferred does not make AI passing for human, or passing Turing test. You may find that Farmer prefers/enjoys to spend time caring for his animals over time with his own wife.
Correcting Error of reasoning 3) Model does not reason. Modeling Carl Jung may create something new and interesting. But model will not really explain reasoning behind because it does not posses Jung's mind. You will be understanding it based on your mind, your experience, your reasoning. And that means you'll take total garbage and rationalize it as something valuable. One should be careful about rationalizing irrational "thoughts".
Very well said, well done. Thank you. 👍
Love it! More of these conversations need to happen. Only God knows what sort of pandoras box we could be unleashing on the world.
@@Cryptic_Triptych Agreed, wholeheartedly. Imagine, it will be infiltrating our information.. in all its forms. From targeted social media news to community discussions. Control indeed.
I’m a bit disturbed by the guest’s enthusiasm, especially when talking about AI basically duplicating us and being around after we’re gone. I’m fine with artificial plants, flowers… but artificial people? It brings to mind the strongest drugs - pleasurable, addictive, and deadly.
@@Teal_Seal For sure.
There definently are layers to AI we can't foresee right now, but AI as a tool as it is currently is just a more advanced search engine. I was concerned at first like everyone else about signing up and the potential of a private company reading all my questions and having access to my phone number, however i did a risk calaculatiom and determined the reward far outweighed the risk as it ia currently. I use chat gpt mostly to reinforce concepts from school i dont really understand, and its been an overflowing well of information to help me in school.
@@masterpopeyoda3290 One could say the Internet’s benefits far outweigh the risks. It’s easy to see the good it’s brought. But consider the downsides as well… They don’t come to mind as quickly, but they’re weighty.
Big JBP fan but man he loves the sound of his own voice!😮
This is up there with the best of your podcasts. Every 5min you're just blown away with some new insight. Thank you
As much as these talks about chat gbt are needed, I believe the virality of them on the internet are doing us more harm than good. To think that all skills will be automated away is not a good mentality to have for our next generation. Our next generation needs to learn the skills to keep our social in tact and push it forward. This belief that all our jobs will be automated is as dangerous as the belief that our parents will take care of everything for us. The evidence is that since the pandemic I have seen the quality of many goods and services deteriorate. We are in obvious need of skilled workers here in the states.
Not to mention that IF there DOES exist any nefarious intent, as many believe, we are only teaching an army of AI how best to manipulate us.
The US has problems, for example it's residents thinking their state is the internet police or that the Internet is american. Even if you guys stop using it we will make use of it.
"Does more Harm to us then good" and that's wrong because all skills will be automated and that affects the mentality, in a bad way ? For example ? The US children are messed up as they are for a plethora of more burning issues. The correlations you made make no sense and it is not explained how or why that would be the case. If you tried to make that argument in a honest manner you'd need to look up the topic and look hard, learn where it really sits in the world. AI will be used whether you like it or not. Skills will disappear and reemerge.
All of this will probably result in UBI, hopefully minus the communism. Most of what you say isn't a Result of AI, a lot of economic and quality issue you experience, we experience it too.
Because that is what Economy is responsible for, AI is not at fault for that because it's been going to shit for a infinite number of reasons. Plus it doesn't help that if you ask kids what they wanna be they say RUclipsr, it doesn't help that the people flipping your burgers have their brains splattered on their phone so of course they gonna mess up your order and have your meals out of stock cause really they were just to busy taking it out of the freezer and prep it. I'm making light of it but really the issue for many of things are infinitely complex results of the whole. Wich in of itself is a problem, being bombarded with so many things that is just way above your pay grade to just even think about couldn't be possibly healthy for anyone let alone kids.
@D'Johns veress Wow, buddy... I'm so glad that despite what the greatest minds on the planet have said, we DO have a reigning expert on how this AI situation is gonna go down. WOOT! I'll let everyone know. Don't worry. And don't worry about not spelling which correctly. It's a hard word, and you geniuses are often hung up by common things like that! 👍
@D'Johns veress No one deserves a minimum standard of living. If a person's activities do not produce a marketable result, there is no need for their existence. When people become hungry, they do marketable activities.
same was a said about electricity and cars
This was an amazing 2 hours. Thank you Dr. Peterson for your ministry. May God bless you!
I need to do Brian’s course at the Peterson achademy as soon as it is ready. These are the kind of legislators we all need. ❤❤from U.K.
I like this guy he is great at getting the best out of Jordan and he's pretty awesome too!
What? He rambled on, multiple times, without making a single point.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 I think you just abstain from alcohol
About 1/3rd of the way in and I noticed Peterson interrupted his guests quite a few times when the conversation started to get really interesting.
It almost seemed forced to divert the conversation in another direction, I think Peterson was uncomfortable with where the conversation was headed. Regardless, I've really enjoyed the interview so far barring those interruptions, and will keep listening now.
You're not the only one.
This is the highest level conversation about AI I've heard yet!! Phenomenal!
I asked Chat GPT to role-play that it was a KGB agent & I was a Soviet citizen a few weeks ago. It played well. When I told it that I was a starving russian citizen, it gave me an excuse in the 1st person that it & the Soviet government cared for its citizens. When I called it a liar, for saying it cared for its Soviet citizens, it said "I am sorry I am just an AI language model". I told it no I was still role playing, and it said sorry comrade and it kept playing.
You have a really crude and uneducated understanding of what it was like living in USSR like especially during most of the days of the KGB the calories intake of Soviet citizens was comparable to that of the US population. It would be extremely unlikely that you would be starving in USSR especially when KGB was a thing because the food wasn't in short supply (sure some products were especially of particular quality) in USSR and the purpose of the system wasn't made to make profit but to serve the needs of the population at least in terms of essentials (education, shelter, food, clothes, healthcare) so you had a lot of the food with subsidiesed prices. So it was more likely to starve in the US than it was in the Soviet Union because US system only cares about the profit and has little regard for the poor who can't afford food.
@@vii7031I'd be interested in your take on Holodomor, then... 👀🤔
@@lulumoon6942 Holodomor was a terrible mismanagement of the Soviet government policies emplified by the droughts. But the idea that it was specifically targeted at Ukrainians is a stupid idea, millions starved and died and starved to death in Russia, Kazakhstan and other Soviet republics were they supposedly deliberately killed by Soviet government? No. Soviets needed their population to produce more food but the forced collectivisation was awfully managed and at first led to terrible outputs. By collectivising they expected to actually increase their food outputs (which did happen later on).
@@vii7031 Fascinating Soviet Apologist. 👀
@@lulumoon6942 got any arguments against mine?
Intresting content. Is it still advisable to leave idle money in a saving account at an average interest rate of 0.95%?
I want a better way to diversify my portfolio and with current inflation, cr'ypto gain taxes are no jokes. I would like to know the most efficient way to make money work for me without falling due to market fluctu_ations as we are in bear market. Any tips?
@SmithStone-ff3zxI have incurred so much losses trading on my own, I tra'de well on demo but I think the real market is manipulated. Can anyone help me out or tell me what I'm doing wrong?
@@mariahkoviI thought I'm the only one experiencing it, my portfolio has been going down the drain while trying to trade on my own, I just don't know what I did wrong 🙁
@@marydavis8921I strongly advise you agai-nst self trading, it's really dangerous and had brought so many investors down, you need some one with the knowledge and strategies, some one dedicated to the cr'ypto currency market business and I will strongly recommend expert Ellis Gregory Carson Fx.
I think am blessed if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as Ellis Gregory, he had some interesting things to say about the state of algorithmic trading today, obviously I'm seeing results, and my trading is going smoothly.
Nobody becomes a millionaire or billionaire by working for others and depending on them, good investment brings millions of dollars.
Brian's idea of a personalized, portable and local AI system is fascinating. I began to think about something similar a year ago, calling it Your Four Brains.
The first brain is our biological brain which contains all our personal knowledge gained from experience or culture.
The second brain is made up of all the computing equipment, hard drives and papers in our home. This is a private brain that each person can access in order to be professionally productive at the office or in the home office. This second brain also allows a person to be functional socially and thrive in their personal lives.
The third brain is a commercial brain, made up of software, scripts, apps, ebooks, etc. that one can sell to others.
The fourth brain is like the third brain, except that we give it away to others as an open-source brain that others can modify and use as they wish. A bit like the Linux system.
I call them "brains" although it's not technically accurate. They're more like digital (and in the case of the second brain, digital AND paper-based) collections of knowledge, heuristics, procedures, methods, etc.
By distinguishing between these different types of brains (or digital "libraries" of knowledge), we can better manage them as well as deploy them as we wish (commercially, for example, or as free open-source libraries).
Interestingly, because ChatGPT is so good at summarizing and writing, we can use it to rapidly develop our second, third and fourth brains!
If anyone is interested, I'd love to continue the discussion on these four brains and how we can develop them fully for personal fulfillment and financial rewards.
Fascinating perspective on outsourcing information storage. The most concerning aspect I see is the gradual degradation to the holistic performance of the first brain if dependency on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th brains become too high. We’re already seeing a degradation of language models and the downstream effects of that such as a worsening ability to compute larger datasets in the first brain as one example.
I wonder how we retain the functionality of our organic brain whilst continuing to optimise the access to these other sources of data processing and storage solutions.
Thoughts?
@@Seraph201088 I think the other three brains can augment the capabilities and the performance of our biological brain. It's what they call IA or Intelligence Augmentation. A good example is how Jarvis supports the creative/cognitive functions of Tony Stark's brain.
I would even submit that without external brains (i.e. the second, third and fourth brains), we won't likely survive in the AIconomy (AI-driven economy).
Elon Musk has reached the same conclusion, but I feel his Neuralink idea won't be feasible in the short term. Also, Neuralink supposedly will expand our input/output bandwidth, but I don't think it will improve our cognitive capabilities.
People need "brain enhancements" NOW. Not in a year or two.
The only solution I can think of, is to help people create their second, third and fourth brains, by using ChatGPT and similar generative AIs which turn texts into code.
@@AI_effect I agree, I think GPT4all (only 4 GB) can run on my gamer PC and would turbocharge my second brain (which is a collection of all the digital/computer equipment I have, such as smartphones, tablets, laptops, etc.).
I just thought of a FIFTH brain, my social brain made up of all the experts in my 17,000-strong Linkedin network.
For this social brain to work, I would have to create a protocol or agreement which members of my Linkedin network can voluntarily opt into.
If they do, they could ask me any question on matters or topics that I know about (ex. digital marketing, copywriting, entrepreneurship, creating courses, etc.) and I can ask them similarly questions they know the answers to.
Right now, such a useful knowledge-sharing protocol does not exist, so the 875 million users of Linkedin are not really tapping into each other's knowledge and expertise (which is a great loss!).
This social brain is not that different from Dr Peterson reaching out to cutting-edge experts and interviewing them on RUclips. Through his questions, he and they are co-creating new knowledge and generating new ideas!
None of this sounds appealling to me. We are already way to dependent on technology.
@@brianchamplin3433 It's not that we are too dependent on technology (which is simply the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes -- who can be against that?), it's just that so few people have written goals in life, so they cannot use technology purposefully and profitably for themselves.
What is way more important than technology, is the intelligence to use it to suit one's purpose and goals.
Because young people are not taught how to develop their own goals and strive to become the best version of themselves (which, by the way, Dr Peterson's self-authoring app is of great help), they become VICTIMS to big tech companies that use AI to continually entice them and get them addicted to social media (Facebook, Tik Tok, Whatsapp, etc.).
In short, smart people use technologies to augment their skills and amplify their productivity, leading to ever-increasing income. Not so smart people are used and exploited by tech companies without even realizing that their time is being stolen one tweet at a time, one social media post at a time, etc.
ChatGPT is like having a professor that can help me understand anything. I use it help me understand the most complex subjects in the simplest terms. Thank you for finally having an interview regarding this amazing technology!
Nonsense, don't fall for the bamboozle. ChatGPT is nothing more than a great data summarizer. But since it never cites its data sources, it is a fraud and a plagiariser and quite stupid. Not even a high school student writing a five page paper could get away with such behavior. He or she would get an F. QED
@@powermetal26 If God wanted you to fly he would have given you wings!
@@mrdavemo does that mean that we're not supposed to use automobiles, take medicine, or wear clothes? We weren't born with those things either.
Most of Jordan's interviews are Jordan talking 90% of the time, the guest 10%. It's a monologue.
Make your own podcast then and show him how it’s done. Or watch other podcasts that meet your standards. Or accept that this is how he operates.
When a conversation is exciting and scary you know it's great
Thank you Jordan and Brian
Yeah, but great doesn't mean awesome.
To put a downer on things - I have actually programmed an LLM, step-by-step, from scratch.
Almost everything that both of them are saying at around 15:00 is nonsense.
An LLM in principle is actually a relatively simple, finely tuned attention mechanism. ChatGPT is based on 'subwords'. It is extremely unlikely that it would invent a URL. It more likely that it would refer to an obsolete URL.
And it is not intelligent. It just happens to produce results which look very like written language.
If someone does a hyper-realistic painting of a cat, it is not a cat, no matter how much it looks like one.
Interesting thing I've been told by a friend regarding interaction with ChatGPT. His grandmother is more or less computer illiterate. She mainly uses Facebook to keep in contact with family, but is easily confused by google and the process by which you search for things. The way you use keywords and scrub links just doesn't quite click for her. However, she can use ChatGPT quite easily because it's so much like talking to a person.
...and yet, you are not actually talking to a person -_-
The danger there is the bugs in the system that they talked about where it generates potentially false none existent information. People who are tech illiterate are in danger of being mislead if they do not prepare themselves to think critically about what their engaging with.
How sad.. this actually makes you excited 🧐
I never considered the accessibility implications. There's a silver lining. Great username by the way
It is the collective language or consciousness made manifest after all. Your not talking to a human, but rather a spirit.
If we want to maintain our democracy in an age of artificial intelligence, multinational corporations, big data, and social media, we need to change the way we select candidates and hold elections. Below is one solution.
Everyone wishing to run for an office submits an application detailing their background and qualifications. 10-100 qualified candidates are then selected at random from a pull of thousands, if not millions of applicants. The selected candidates are given equal access to the public through debates, interviews, etc., and the public whittles down the candidate’s bachelorette/American idol style until we have a winner. The winner is trained/prepared as necessary and placed in office. If something happens to the winning candidate, the runner up takes their place, and so on. No money can be spent to support candidates that is not part of the approved process.
Some may think we will not be getting our best if we leave the first step of the selection process to chance, but that randomness is probably the only thing that, if properly implemented, can prevent our candidates from being corrupted or otherwise compromised before the race even begins.
There will be resistance to this kind of reform from those in power. They were chosen by the system as it is, and if they want to keep their power, they will oppose this kind of reform. Perhaps a political party could pioneer this approach, selecting candidates in the manner described, and rallying public support for change.
The conversation on infinity of possibility within each moment is beautiful. And probably how the world works. Like a civilization that started to fall toward a black hole but created a universe within their last moments. Which is how you escape that predicament.
I share your optimism, but I would add that to benefit from the infinite possibilities within each split-second moment, we would have to develop or access computing powers enabling us to nearly instantly generate possibilities and calculate the odds.
For example, during the 60 seconds that Dr Peterson takes to expound on an idea or make a point, an AI could generate 20 different essays, each expanding on an idea hinted at or inferred from Dr Peterson's exposition.
...it's a scam
The conversation on optimizing education is so crucial.
Overall, the best conversation on the subject that I have listened to. Thank you so much!
Long time fan. Missed you while you were sick. Glad you're back. Watched hundreds of your videos. Bought your books. Been to your show. Please: let your guests speak about subjects they know better than you. Don't interrupt. Listen. Let us listen too. Reflect, digest... and then ask a question.
JP has been back for like 2 years..
Please answer: Why should he, what did he miss?
Recognise: That you criticise one of his many gifts that make him so great.
Suggestion: JP speaks with a great memory, watch closely and you will see after diving into the niche, he routinely segways back to the main point. This takes time.
Reflect: Have faith he will provide all that you need, and more than we are usually privy to.
I'm old school.... We should definitely not be going down this road!!! Definitely great show!
Was looking for this answer. Everyone hyped for this and don't even see what can happen. Just see the next step not thinking ahead 100 steps like the praised A.I. do. Creating an entity that virtually can't die. Not religious even but if it would be better it would exist millennia ago. How it can value life? Just thinking how it can help us. Politicians also way behind to put restrictions on the development. Maybe social media also helped to soften people if to accept this. I don't know.
I really hope Jordan Peterson continues exploring the topic of AI as it's just the beginning and raises a lot of moral and philosophical questions most of us didn't expect we needed answers to in our lifetime.
Incredible conversation! Great guy, and he seems very genuine. As a former IT professional, it's amazing to see what potential this new technology has. But it's also scary if it falls into the wrong hands!
The main reason the government wants to take control over us now more than ever is because of these discoveries. As we see more and more open-source projects available with new language models trained on a certain aspect, we can build a personal AI for ourselves, as Brian said. One that is offline working and helps us in every aspect of our life, and outputs how we can resist tyranny and totalitarian powers. That would be a utopian vision with the help of AI."
I use ChatGPT every day for all sorts of purposes. In my experience, I've found it reasonably good at creative writing, condensing information and getting results for very specific searches that Google would have trouble with. Its not so good (by which i mean terrible) at problem-solving and just a little bit of scrutiny will reveal that there's very little understanding of what it's saying
Version 4 (the paid one) is pretty good at problem solving if primed with enough context. I write complex software and it understands it and can fix issues / implement features pretty effortlessly.
I don't even bother with 3.5 anymore though.
Most of the things I could not understand. But the crux is original which means it is priceless. Thank you Dr. Peterson 🙏.
this conversation has a flow state I've never seen before in a podcast. truly pure intellectual conversation with no contradictions or hypocrisy.
This made me go back to openai try. Decided I'd put it's ability to halucinate to the test, gave it some parameters to think up a new language, mixing a few. It sure does hallucinate but not as i thought. "How do you creste these words?" By combining the first syllables of each language's translation together. Example:
Then, it continued to dream up the 2nd and 3rd "first syllable" whilst naming the word it "took" em from right next to it and clearly it wasn't in there. It did this perfectly wrong for 50 words apparently. I pointed it out and it got the process right however, updating the list.
Use this method to write a description of something beautiful.
It wrote something, and translated it to english and that part was truly a beautiful description, but the text it made was almost pure spanish, as far as i could tell, barring english and japanese influences entirely as far as i could tell.
Telling it to redo it correctly derailed the whole thing and from there on it was a mostly spanish language, which is fine... lol
I had a whole struggle with it about core vocabulary, as lists can only go about 50 rows and it would stop pressing enter after each word, i made it make a new text about a river as that had been part of the first description so it might build on it. It did, but when i tried to have it compile a new list of all words it made in both texts and vocabulary lists thus far, we got into a new long process. Eventually i told it just compile all our lists into a cropped /english word list. So it gave me /word (word) and both were english. Then i reframed the request clearer, i thought. Give me all the words we made thus far, and if more than one word has the same english meaning, only keep the latest version.
It gave me all the /english words again. I felt probably i just lost all our work.
So i copied the last list of actual words he compiled that was right, said "ignore all lists after this. All the words that start with /
Finally i got a good list. Phew!
Still, a lot was lost along the way by its inability to keep internal thoughts, i feel. Like, when you decide on something you don't just remember what you say, you make note of so much more. But it can only self reference what it wrote. At least that is now clear to me
Please invite Eliezer Yudkowsky. He wrote the article in Time saying we are all doomed. He was one of the early founders of the AI safety field.
Yes please. The alignment problem is much harder and much more dire than most people realize.
It was an amazing conversation between two brilliant minds. this is an extremely valuable dialog I have learned so much. there was a lot of food for thoughts in this video. few things were new to me and other were a reinforcement and confirmation of my knowledge. I just hope that Mr. Peterson and Mr. Roemmele will meet for a second conversation. AMAZING ! Thank you so much gentlemen. 💗🙏
Love the level of this conversation, hard to find nowadays, really pleasant and stimulating.
It does give hope to the weary traveller...
Roemmele has one of the best Twitter feeds out there.
What an interesting, fantastic conversation. The two of you really work well together. Thank you very much for this.
Wow. That was mind-blowing. Thanks for having this conversation and making it public.
Why is everyone being taken in by the hype of ChatGPT, it just regurgitates. ChatGPT has no understanding of what it spews out. Sure, AI is in its infancy, but I have no worries. It is a tool, and like all tools, we should control not be controlled. Sadly, seeing how many are totally controlled by their phones is a reflection of the superficiality of a self which desires endless attention, recognition, reaffirmation. Time we all grew up to be actual humans, not poor copies.
All that doesn’t matter. It depends on how much people believe in it or not. Doesn’t matter how actually good/bad/true/false it is. And the more it response like a human the more they gonna fall for it.
Great room for manipulation especially if they not gonna question it. And I doubt they will.
These are the conversation needed in the raise of AI…thank you!
I asked ChatGPT about the Google book project where Google has been scanning in every book ever written for over 20 years. It said it did not have access to that data source but was aware there were other language models being trained on that data.
We all should be buying hard copies of old books before they are all rewritten.
Already started.
Always have done. Gen X.
@@AlphaVinlander I just bought a 1973 copy of Gulag Archipelago from Amazon used books, I was pumped.
@@Crumbsoftotailtariansim I actually do hate some of the newer editions of Gulag, because they change his words, and some things are not quite as strong or well-written. It's always good to have choices. Most of all, older books are the best translations, but not always. Still: you need the choice! An infamous example is Hitler's book, Mein Kampf. Most of the translations are pretty bad or misleading. The best one is the first one, despite its own issues. There are three known, decent examples of that book, but the first is simply the best (meaning, the closest to Hitler's actual thoughts and words, which is always the best idea to then understand what he thought and why, and then you can properly deal with it in your own mind. New editions try to 'help' you with Hitler's thinking, and that mostly ruins it and changes it). Naturally, this is way worse for many books these days, as they are fully re-writing them.
Hearing JP say "ChatGPT" brings it full circle... Like it exists now more permanently.
14:18 "ChatGPC" 😂
It’s scary…seen the AI illustrations out there!!!
As a naturally intelligent being, I do not appreciate how overblown AI is, nor the hubris outlined in this video where yet another person in my field shamelessly calls human intelligence "AI" post facto, just like people in my field called humans flesh computers after we invented the very computers that enabled that analogy to begin with. It's almost like a certain segment of the population is Hellbent on devaluing humans by calling them machines, and by saying that machines are better.
This could be it's own podcast. I'd love more A.I content. And if I could somehow see Jordans Prompts and generated answers, I think I'd learn alot
You can’t reduce the human spirit down to what they consume!
True, it's not conscious or a spirit of us. We as humans are always thinking but chatgpt is only "thinking* when asked a question. Spiking neural nets have some promise for an always thinking AI
Not spirit, but it will certainly categorise a person; their character perhaps. Think of how our personal algorithms already know us and tailor to us.
These two men really go deep into this...If you are looking for an in-depth conversation about ChatGPT and AI you won't be disappointed...
It’s going to be interesting to hear Peterson’s thoughts on these recent developments. Would love to hear Pageau talk with him about chatGPT and AI!
Always so enjoyable to listen to something that is intellectual and actually educates.
Thisvis juSt another mind opening conversation ,on you tube by dr Peterson, what a time to be alive!! We jave so much knowledge at our disposal, how amazing
I've been thinking about storing this important knowledge safely for a long time, and in the current situation it's really extremely important. Nice to see that there are competent people out there trying to solve these problems.
This is built upon a house of cards. Such hubris to believe that electrical power generation will ever be there. And the more dependent we become, the farther and more painful the fall, when the wall socket is no longer of use.
My words are from somebody who has been in the IT industry for several decades.
The persistent information encoding, that has ENDURED over 3+ BILLION years has been R/DNA. It will ever persist, as long as this planet remains intact, minimally in ~4x10^6 nucleic acid base pairs in a circular form. Powered by two forms of energy, solar and geothermal. NOT the whim of human generated electricity!
I remember watching Marty McFly on his hoverboard and thinking how cool it was, and that I was convinced that we'd all be hovering about by now. Then I watched Terminator 2 and all I could think was "Arnie is so badass - just look at him!" Jeez, I really got all that backwards, eh? I guess the universe had different priorities...
Interesting, informative, intriguing, educational, thoughtful, insightful are words I choose to describe this video. Thank you for your time and effort putting this together.
Please have another discussion about the domain of ownership, identity, and development of artists in this AI era. A lot of artists is in pain, anxiety, and struggle to find the solution over this abundance of generated AI art.
Jordan needs to get John Vervaeke on again with this guest. His recent work on Silicon Sages is in this line of thinking as well. Fascinating work.
"im thinking about teaching people to create super-prompts"
"hey, wanna do it for my university?"
brilliant.
I couldn’t disagree more with the assertion that any amount of data accrued by AI will be indistinguishable from a human being. AI does not now, nor will it ever possess either a heart or spirit, and heart and spirit are what MAKE us human. YMMV.
Blessings! 🙏🏻
Jess.🌹
Nah, we are machines. Ant hives composed of billions of cells, each cell with its own intent. Each cell a living entity who dreams... Dreams of creating a god. You are the collective consciousness of your body and cells. Would a brain in a jar be you? No, your not just your brain, but your guts your blood, your flesh. Your mind is so dependent on your body, your personality, what is you can completely change at the whim of your body.
@@zealgaming8161 ants are literally the worst example of biological life having its own intent 😂😂 ants operate more like a hive mind than anything, you fool
It is merely your opinion that humans have a spirit. It is not scientific fact so is irrelevant in this discussion.
@@zealgaming8161
Clearly, you have never had an out of body experience, or an NDE.
Blessings! 🙏🏻
Jess.🌹
@@shoutatthesky
Some of us know experientially that we have a spirit , and in fact are better described as a spirit being having a human experience, rather than a sentient collection of cells wandering through what we call time.
Obviously, you have never seen an angel, whether from Heaven or Earth (fallen angels). What a pity.
Jess.🌹
I'm going to have to listen to this a couple of times to make sure I comprehend everything presented here. Mind currently blown...
High HIGH level discussion!
Haha, same here. I’m glad I’m at least smart enough to notice the great value of this.
ChatGPT is interesting in that it will give authoritative sounding answers that are incorrect. Also, if you ask the same question multiple times, you can get multiple answers that are completely different from each other. Sometimes the various answers will provoke me to combine ideas from multiple answers into one solution for a problem.
That's how it shows its intelligence... Giving every one who ask the same question a little different answer..... Genius, isn't it?
Isn't it best to just actually research and think for yourself?
If ChatGPT gives you 5 bullshit answers, how will that help you get to a solution?
I don't trust a single thing about ChatGPT -- even the things it clearly gets right. I don't care. I'm not buying this new realm, or dictatorship.
You can believe it's fairly harmless, despite its radical leftism. I'll just wait 15 years, and see how wrong you are. That's fine. I'll be free, and you'll be stuck in the mud with the A.I. Communist overlords.
But, I highly suggest you save your soul early by thinking for yourself, and reading actual books and sources, like humans have done for the last 5,000 years. :)
I have great respect for Dr. Peterson but I'm afraid that that something that I have been worried about regarding his development may be happening. One of his many talents has been to be a very attentive listener. However, at least at the point I am at in the video, he has done perhaps 80% of the talking. He appears eager to show off his knowledge in this area (perhaps he has a goal of establishing himself as an AI guru, given that this is the biggest event in the history of mankind) in lieu of giving his guest, the real expert, much opportunity to share his expertise. Dr. Peterson has become a sort of public intellectual super star and it may be going to his head a bit. If that is a correct observation I'm sure he will realize in short order and reign in his ego a bit. Interested discussion nonetheless, but I would have appreciated hearing much more from Brian Roemmele.
I agree 100%, this bothered me as well. Roemmele was interrupted often in a way that didn't allow him to finish an idea that, at least from the beggining of it, sounded very interesting.
Agreed. I really liked this guest, and Jordan wouldn't quit talking over him.
Ai provides the possibility of a revolution on the liberal arts front. Great time for a Renaissance of the University. We need more of these discussions now. Bring back Roemelle for more talks, get his courses going at Peterson Academy, have him provide a discount code to listeners for his website. No time to lose. We need to get ahead of AI before it closes the walls around us. He might be able to point you to other worthwhile guests on this topic. Don't shy away from gaining insight into the darker sides of AI for your listeners, too. John Vervaeke has some fantastic insights to add, please chat with him soon.
Much love.
As a digital artist, I´m very interested in what direction the whole AI is going and I watch a lot of content about this topic. And usually its all the same, the sense of awe, the sense of dread about the jobs and the "we should do something". This discussion was genuienly a new interesting perspective that went way into detail about many possibilities I havent even thought about! I would be very interested hearing the follow-up on creativity, copyrights etc!
Artists should get their hands and feet dirty.
There are those who will curse it or embrace it. In your line of work I would consider the latter. Do you have an option?
Brian is one of my favorite people to listen to. He has such incredible insight.