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Waggler Fishing Part 7 - The 'Lift' Method, Driftbeaters, Windbeaters, Tench Drifters
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2021
- I discuss the Lift Method and how a curious amalgam of the original Lift Method and windbeater floats has emerged to create 'tench drifters' whereas in practical terms simple insert wagglers are far superior for tench fishing. It's notable that the many top match anglers who have covered floatfishing never mention the lift method not wind/driftbeater floats. Something to ponder.
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Great stuff. Yet another video based on good, solid advice from someone who clearly knows what he is doing and has taken the time to undertake proper research. Thank you.
Absolutely spot on. A good dose of down to earth common sense.
I’m not sure people completely understand the lift method. When the rod is put in two rests and you tighten down to the float until just the tip shows, a fish has only got to breath on your bait and you will get an indication. I had six tench last week in fairly quick succession and they were still feeding when I packed up. It works well for me and has done for years.
Love the video, you have a great mind set on angling and very refreshing keep up the good work.
The lift method has been used by generations of anglers, especially for tench, carp, bream and big roach, On its day, and in the right conditions, it is a very effective method and a way of lovely fishing; certainly much more pleasurable and exciting than sitting behind buzzers for hours (or days) on end.
The right conditions include a clear bottom and not having large numbers of fish brushing against the line in. An (over) stocked carp puddle is probably not the ideal pace for its use and certainly not the type of water and conditions that either the Lee anglers or Fred J either developed or would have used the float.
Unfortunately these aren't the conditions that describe most big roach and tench waters, especially wild ones.
While I agree to some degree Mark, and in all honesty all I use now is the basic waggler set-up myself, but just because match anglers don’t use the methods mentioned it should not detract in anyway from the effectiveness of these methods. In the main the methods are designed to offer a presentation that is meant to be ‘crude’ so as to deter ‘small’ fish and single out better specimens. This very essence is next to useless for the match angler who is looking to build a weight whereas the specimen angler is looking to pick out that one special fish. Interesting take on your own observations though which I’m sure will get a few comments both in agreement and against 👍
Classic Mark, more anglers caught on floats than fish.😂👏👏
The context in which any tactic is used is important Mark. Try using the lift method for crucians and feed groundbait and lots of small feed items and you will get lots of liners and struggle to catch any. Use the same tactic in a clear water environment and feed 5-10 grains of corn per fish and its deadly. Its down to the manner in which the fish are feeding in either scenario. On the match fishing points i disagree strongly. Mostly just copy each other and certain fads and theories become popular for no other reason than they are popular in whatever media is prevalent at any given time. I recently had a go (at match fishing) myself and did rather well using unorthodox tactics against guys who just didn't think for themselves. BTW Try doing some tank tests with your conventional waggler tactics and you might be shocked at how poor bite indication is...real bites that is; ones that you would strike at. These experiments might explain why match anglers are obsessed with fine lines and tiny hooks! There are certain techniques which will never catch on, within match fishing for no other reason than the fact that the guys involved want to be getting bites all the time and simply aren't willing to experiment with anything which is not within their comfort zone.
I used to fish a lake where the lift was the most effective method. But I can't fault your logic. Pole or feeder is more effective than a waggler in 98% of situations, and the lift method is 2% of that 2 %, and very niche.
I was waggler fishing a gravel pit today, something I've not done much in the past, and I'm struggling with the tow. I was looking at a pair of those driftbeaater floats in my tube, that I've never used. You've given me some food for thought. I know a bomb or feeder would be more effective, but I've been fishing the feeder exclusively for a year, and I really fancy catching some fish at distance on the waggler.
Yep, I think it’s one of those tackle tart methods commonly seen in popular weekly and monthly fishing magazines and talked about by people who should know better but, they are all on the fishing cash cow getting rich
I think there's a big crabtree/estate lake/early morning bubbles nostalgia trip on anything to do with tench to be honest.
Good old waggler in various guises works for me and has done for many years. I grew up fishing the Lea in Tottenham, between Stonebridge lock and Tottenham lock in the 60s. I’d be on the Lea after tea in the summer,Sowerbutts bamboo Roach pole,upside down crow quill float, fishing hemp,maples and stewed wheat. Once the Roach were on it,it was unbelievable,huge Roach to me back then,Roach to a pound,and lots of them. I’d fish into dark until I couldn’t see my float,it was magic. Fish during the day there it was Gudgeon city. Kept the Roach fishing there to myself.
A float maybe good but not for match style angling, so not used by match anglers... I have had success with drift beater type floats for larger carp, upper doubles and twenty's with it laid hard on the bottom by around 18 inches. Probably could have used waggler but with 10lb line a big bodied float seems balanced and allows heavy shotting (on a short loop of line) or possibly a drilled bullet stopped by a swivel, followed by hook-length.
Surprised to see this, Mark, or rather the content.
The lift method isn't a match angling method and for good reason.
It's designed to make avoid small fish and focus on bigger specimens.
It's not a long distance method and only works where one can comfortably cast it.
As you know, for one example, I used it on the canal to catch the roach you wrote about in 'Big Roach 2'. The video is out there to view.
If you are an unbeliever then fine but given your track record in researching subjects as you do, this seems a little out of character. The likes of Peter Stone & Fred J Taylor didn't use the method because they were unenlightened, quite the opposite. They were fishing for the bigger fish in the swim and if that meant 'one bite, one fish' then so be it.
I was a match angler too and there is no doubt in my mind that in moving to the 'specialist' side of things, the lift method has been the biggest eye-opener to me in catching proper big roach from the canal. I also use it to catch tench when they can be caught at close range in rudd infested waters.
It is an incredibly sensitive method with the right set-up and hook bait, but if you don't try it, and experiment until you get it right over time, that wouldn't be apparent, i.e. not in a carp puddle.
The method you suggest instead is useless if there is silkweed, etc., and it won't deter smaller fish.
When you're after big fish only there is nothing more irritating than having to wade through 'bits' to get to the odd better fish.
I would seriously recommend you read more on it and try it before you rubbish the method. Everything has its place and just because it isn't a match style doesn't mean it doesn't work.
If you want to learn more you could do worse than check out Jeff Hatt's writings on the matter by which conduit you found his and subsequently my own use of it for regular 1lb+ canal roach.
Happy to help if you want to try it properly. In fact why don't we do that?! I'll show you how and why it works and you take me to catch a 2lb River roach?
I do hope you take this in the positive spirit it is written and I look forward to your comments!
agree///100% The lift method is a method I've used successfully for years....and I remember winning a club match with it by fishing and feeding under my rod tip whilst others fished poles and wagglers unsuccessfully....
Can such a float be called universal?
Probably not!
Common sense as ever Mark.
I have caught many tench on the lift method as well as big roach and bream . I wouldn't dream of using it on a carp puddle . the peacock quill and bottom shot loading have to be balanced to depth and tow , the Taylors used to decide the shotting and trim the quill on the bank as I recall from their writing's.. And as a young lad watching the big matches on the Whitham prior to commen use of the swing tip as devised by Jack Clayton ,big drift beaters ,onion antennas and zoomers were used to target the bream shoals .
The lift method can work but you need a very clear and quite even bottom otherwise indeed conventional float fishing is better. Not quite convinced on the reference to match fishermen, they are generally trying to do something quite different which is to 'speed fish' so they want to maximise quantity, quick fishing, in out, rinse and repeat. They wont want to mess about with the slow adjustments lift fishing needs especially when flow, tow or and uneven bottom are present. SO, in my mind that is why it isn't mentioned. Not as it isn't effective but because it isn't a good match tactic. Your Carp puddle test ... well, its greedy stokies fighting to hoover up everything so Im not surprised the float would settle to do its job. The wafting of the fins alone probably bounced the bait and bottom shot all over the place.
Total rubbish. The winning match weight on my local was just under 12lb last week. I fished it later that day and did more than double that in 3 hours.....as a complete amateur. What does that say about the all knowing match anglers? 15 anglers putting massive pressure on a water over the space of a few hours, throwing in buckets of bait, desperately trying to keep fish in their swim while the guy a peg up and a peg down tries to steal them to his, is a world away from one man and is dog chucking float in a natural pond on a quite summers evening. Completely different situation which requires completely different methods.
The lift method isn't actually very good.