Airliner Almost Crashes Into Jet At Boston!
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Is it safe to fly? Why have there been so many near misses lately? This time Jet Blue almost crashed into a charter jet at Boston Logan airport. How did this happen and what is causing all of these airliner near misses?
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_"Why have there been so many near misses lately?"_ This is an excellent question and in terms of safety / risk management is a clear indicator (flag) of something being wrong. I do not work in the aviation industry so cannot fathom a guess as to what may be wrong, however I am involved in safety & risk assessment and flags like these are an absolute marker that management needs to do something fast before a major incident, like Tokyo.... What's next before someone wakes up? Another Tenerife???
It would take a Tenerife accident with a US senator or congressman aboard. "Normal" people probably wouldn't count as recent history has shown. The FAA is not much of a proactive regulatory agency as we have seen with its lack of concern with Boeing's aircraft deficiencies.
Our department has been discussing these incidents quite a bit lately. Like you said I don't know why these close calls are increasing lately but it's definitely getting a lot of attention from the community. The lear jet received the instruction to line up and wait, and read back that instruction...scratching my head on this one but thankfully the controller was on top of it and the jet blue pilots performed a great last minute go around!
I listened to ATC's hold instruction three times before I could understand it (without looking at the subtitles). Too fast, a bit garbled. Is "wait" rather than "hold" standard terminology in the USA? In general, compared to UK controllers, US ATC talks VERY fast and the use of non-standard terminology makes it harder to follow. I find it indicative that the JetBlue pilot had to ask for the altitude to be repeated. Could this explain, at least in part, the number of incidents?
@@peterweinberg4504 The audio quality on the video and live ATC was poor in this situation. I've heard that the lear jet did read back the line up and wait instructions given though. ATC in the states do talk fast sometimes and I wish they didn't, for foreign pilots sake. I have issues understanding controllers when I fly international so I can imagine what some of them go through flying here. We used to use "position and hold" in this situation, but now the proper phraseology is "Line up and wait", this aligned the US phraseology to be more in line with ICAO requirements abroad. All in all even with the controller speaking quickly I don't know if I would contribute that to this incident, but I also wasn't there. It's still a head stretcher to me and definitely raises eyebrows and questions. Why The Lear wasn't told about a possible pilot deviation down the road is also a head scratcher.
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Hop-A-Jet!!!! This was the same company that lost a Challenger in Florida!
The crazy thing is in the past two weeks Boston Logan had three mishaps, one was last week JetBlue and Learjet almost crashed and the Learjet DID NOT have clearance from ATC, the second incident was two United flights collided their wings together and the final 30 mins before landing at Logan Airport a Massachusetts resident tried to open up an emergency exit and disarmed the slide and then stab a flight attended three or four times. So rough week at Logan Airport, don't what's going to with our airline industry and it's very concerning.
It's getting busy out there!
Always look for the common denominator. Is the controller not speaking clear enough for pilots to understand directions?
Good job breaking this down
Thanks Rob! Appreciate your comment!
Kudos to the Jet Blue crew & the controller
Years ago, I was on a full B767 from ATL to BOS on an early Monday morning flight. As we approached runway 33L, at extremely low altitude over the water (figuratively reach out and touch!) and just before crossing the shore, I heard and felt the landing gear starting to retract. Almost at the same instant, I heard the engines starting to spool up… in a hurry. As the thrust came up we were pressed into our seats quite firmly as the pilots went for what seemed like maximum thrust and an aggressive pitch up. (All within normal POH parameters.) Clearly, they were looking for best rate of climb… right NOW!
I was seated at a left window, and knowing the airport layout, watched closely straight below us as we crossed runway 22L. Right as we crossed, another large airliner crossed JUST below us. (I mean right there close below!) A bit less altitude on our part would have meant disaster.
After pulling back the throttles and leveling off, the PIC told us the crossing traffic had not been cleared for takeoff and after the completion of our flight our pilots were going to have a meeting with the FAA. I bet! You could hear the adrenaline in his voice.
Crazy! I can't imagine seeing that out the window!
I had a similar experience at Charlotte Douglas Int'l, in the late 90's. We did a touch-and-go, with an aggressive climb out. The pilot explained as we went around, that another jet had been cleared to land behind us, and somehow our separation ended up being far below safe minimums. The tower called for an emergency go-around, too late for us to avoid touching down, before going balls-to-the-wall, in order to get out of the way.
Most of these incidents have been ATC controller mistakes however, not in this case. ATC did a great job in this case. Pretty sure the Lear Jet Captain is going to be dealing with a violation
Definitely seems that way!
@@pilot-debriefany penalty for the pilot if the Lear jet ???
I'm continuously less and less thrilled with non-commercial aviators
@@billg7205 They know what they know….which usually isn’t much by comparison
@@filthyusratus He told us several times the FAA investigation has not concluded. Listen up.
I was flying into Logan once and the runway looked close enough to touch, when suddenly we accelerated and climbed away from the airport. The captain mentioned a private plane wandering onto our runway. I always wondered how many checks had failed to get to that point and wondered how close of a call it was. I’m guessing it was a serious enough incident to be documented somewhere, but I wouldn’t know where even to begin to look.
How do you take off withoute ATC clearance??? I am fron Tenerife, so I know what can happen without ATC clearance...what is the penalty for a pilot for doing that? jail? heavy fine? license revoked?
Yeah you would think that "fk this I'm tired of waiting and taking off" incident would not happen again. Everyone in aviation should know about it
is it actually more common lately, or is it just being reported more?
First guess, is that online detection tools, such as FR24 are proliferating, causing fewer to slip 'through the cracks'.
Sadly, the latter.
Looking at FAA stats, Oct-Dec 2022 shows fewer runway incursions than Oct-Dec 2021 and Oct-Dec 2019. Of course 2020 and 2021 stats will be skewed.
Also have to take into account runway incursions are not the same as near-misses, and if ATC messes up, that doesn't count as a runway incursion. Plus I'm not sure if there's pending investigations that will also change the Oct-Dec numbers. But all in all, the frequency doesn't seem statistically significant enough to say it's more common.
I'm just starting my flight instruction, but when I listen to radio traffic both sides almost always speak too fast. I know they have a lot on their plate, but even knowing what the female ATC was going to say to the Lear Jet I could only make out the first half. And even if they spoke slowly and distinctly, it seems like you're asking for trouble by relying on voice commands (even with readback) to manage a busy intersection.
Very good I’ll be interested in the follow up thanks for sharing 👍
I’m a flight attendant for another airline and we had to go around from 100 ft off the ground in La Guardia. Jet Blue was in our way
Reasons I couldn't be an ATC: I woulda SCREAMED at that jet that almost caused that crash and got completely distracted from everything else going on 💀
I really appreciate your insight and want to thank you for your service to our country
Good analysis. If you noticed the airfield diagram, there's an HS circle near the runway. Those are "hotspots"- places where taxi clearance deviations and runway incursions are high. They're designated to prompt the crews to be extra vigilant and brief the plan. JetBlue performed a "balked landing". It's a less used term but it is a go-around performed after the landing flare is commenced. It may or may not result in ground contact. With load factors high these days I'd guess JetBlue was 130kts or higher. That's over 200'/second. This was way too close and not on ATC or JetBlue. Glad it worked out.
Ya, I probably could’ve discussed the hotspots on the field. Flown in and out of Boston countless times and you always have to really pay attention to your clearance and not get distracted.
I think the aircraft on Rwy 9 was already clear of the intersection by the time JetBlue reached it, otherwise if JetBlue was on glide path and they reach that intersection at the same time then they likely would have insufficient altitude separation and would’ve crashed. The go-around call didn’t really save the day, luck did.
@@pilot-debrief Good point - but "luck" is not a word we like to hear relating to our air travel!!
Non-pilot, fairly experienced traveler here. I wonder if our passengers could have mistaken the g-force generated by the sudden pull-up out of the Glide slope for a touchdown. The minimum estimated altitude seems to imply that is a possibility. Maybe we have report by now.
@@kevinquinn1993 We'll know eventually. Investigations are deliberate and take more time than we like, but they need to get it right.
Lol at the passengers trying sensationalize the whole incident.
I am loving this Channel "HOOVER' I HAVE A QUESTION AND I'M JUST LEARNING THIS STUFF BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE RUNWAYS CROSS OR INTERSECT SEEMS LIKE AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN I'M THINKING SAFE SPACE.
I hope someone will be able to provide an explanation for this near-miss trend, report it to the FAA, and launch corrective measures.
It's pretty clear what's causing all these near misses, airports are way too busy, it's a miracle there aren't more of these incidents or indeed deadly crashes...
Excellent clear commentary and videos, so I just subscribed. Since all of my air travel these days is personal, no more business travel thankfully and 1st class only or I won't fly, and 100% on my own time schedule, so can you kindly recommend days and times of days to avoid and more importantly those time you prefer to travel to avoid this type of congestion. Also, why on Earth are airports construced with criss crossing runways? Is it lack of land avialable from when an airport was first developed, different wind patterns leading to different runways being constructed? It has to be land restrictions, otherwise, why do that? It seems similar to being on a vacation with your wife and inviting your mistress to the same resort at slightly different times and slighty different floors. Way to close for comfort🤣
Early morning flights are typically the least congested and tend to provide more backup options if things go wrong!
I experienced a go-around flying from Memphis to Atlanta as passenger. A jet entered our runway when we were at what I figured was minimums. The pilot, very clearly annoyed, explained that an “idiot” pulled onto the runway. I laughed at the pilot’s announcement. Not near as close as this, but an obvious need to go around.
Im live in memphis but hate atlantas airport lol 😂
Are the atc's getting inundated with too much traffic?
On April 21 I was a passenger on SWA flight from AUS to MDW, maybe 1265, anyway on approach gear down, and had to go around cause we got cut-off. The crew did great and landed second time around.
Thank you.
Passenger thought the plane touched down - it didn't. Passenger thought the plane made evasive manoeuvres - it didn't. The passengers' testimony, and the overly dramatic news clip, was a pointless inclusion.
I sure hope you and @AngleofAttack channel are friends. :) Love your channel!
Why do reporters always compare distances to football fields? When the Jetblue presses the TOGO button it takes a while for the engines to react and the plane is still descending.
Because the masses of asses sit around watching football all weekend and they can relate to it.
I'd guess two reasons. 1. Most Americans will immediately be able to picture the situation fairly accurately once it's measured in "football fields." 😂 Even people who aren't interested in sports at all will easily be able to remember their old school days when gym was often on or next to the field. 2. I think many people throughout the world know that a football field is around 100 yards or 300 feet, and since yards and meters are almost the same length, when a reporter says "football field" it maximizes the number of audience members who will accurately understand the distance being described, regardless of whether their countries use the metric system or imperial system. I could be totally wrong, that's just my guess. 🤓
Best units of measurement, from small to large:
Hamster
Coffin
School bus
Football field
Starship Enterprise
I think it is more common because of so many people wanting to fly. I would guess the lack of flying during Covid pandemic didn’t help with pilot experience or even the tower experience level.
It wasn't so much the lack of flying during Covid, it was the mass exodus of anyone close to retirement age. All of that experience walked out the door and that's not something that is easily replaced.
It's going to come down to a combination. I know Petter, over at "Mentour Pilot" has made light of it, but there has been some considerable gaps in pilots getting out to WORK, and he has at least acknowledged that for some pilots, this has made it difficult to keep up with the requisite number of landings, take offs, and so-forth to stay commercially certified...
You can add to that, the exodus of experienced pilots for retirement, and experience and wisdom being so precious a commodity in any profession, and you're going to get an increase in close calls and incidents.
Then the pandemic is somehow almost instantly vanished to "open the flood gates" and we have everything from the Notams breakdown, to the Holiday strandings from Southwest and a few others, and American Airlines breakdown from their computers failing...
Folks seem to have forgotten some basic sense of decency with the crowds, travel stress, and their fatigue from "the stay-cation from hell" over the pandemic... Yeah, it's been a while, but one kink leads to others... as it were. The whole idea of even trying to "lockdown" the continental U.S. (let alone the world) was almost a comical self infliction of mental health decay... This isn't going to be over "just like that" (snaps fingers), either. I'm sure the FAA will have findings, and many of them useful, but everybody's gotten "rusty" at this whole sociability in public thing... especially when it comes to travelling in mass. ;o)
I flew with Hopp A Jet in the 70s, it was started by Harvey Hopp, carrier Navy Pilot, a fine gentlemen
Perfect unintentional ASMR post!
In 2014 I was on an American Airlines flight from Norfolk, Va to Dallas, Tx. The plane was only half full and I was looking out the window when an airliner flew past us going the opposite direction, usually wouldn't be an issue but the plane was so close I could see the passengers in the windows and I sure they could see us. As it passed, we flew right through its con trail. Needless to say, I was shocked and looked around to see if anyone else noticed this, but no one seemed too. I always wondered if this was reported as I believe the separation limit is 2000 feet. No way we were even close to being that far apart.
Is the ATC under pressure to maximize the use of the airfield? Because I see them taking unnecessary risks...
*consider that airlines are using far more small jets vs the widebody jumbos of even 20 years ago, well now you got to fit that many more airplanes unto the same space and amount of runways and the same slots that every airline wants or makes up*
luckily we're tryig to appoint the guy that currently runs DIA (KDEN) with absolutely NO FAA experience nor is he a pilot
EQUITY … that guy destroyed three other company’s ….. sooo Democrats got a good choice to screw stuff up …!!!!
When things are tough, obvs appoint a total incompetent with a disastrously bad leadership record!
it seems like private jets do this somewhat frequently. The FAA should come down hard on them as this could have been a horrible accident and the Learjet pilot demonstrated he doesn't know how to obey ATC.
I’m noticing a trend when it comes to the instruction to “line up and wait”.
It happens to often that the pilot instructed to wait ends up taking off without a clearance. This is the 2nd or 3rd I’ve heard in this page alone.
Perhaps the FAA or TC should consider to eliminate that instruction from ATC vocabulary. Especially at an airport with intersecting runways which use them for arriving and departing aircraft. Just a thought :)
Isn’t there video from JetBlue cockpit that’s come out? Either way, scary shit!
KBOS has a ton of hot spots to be sure, but hot spots were developed and marked on airport diagrams to help prevent runway incursions of the taxiing onto or across an active variety...not deal with rogue takeoffs. Intersecting operations, especially at busy airports, always require the greatest of vigilance. It only takes one lapse in situational awareness and...well...it ain't good.
Even if there was no radio call for "Got a number for you to call", This counts as a 'Runway Incursion', requiring a formal report to FAA.
Enforcement action off-camera may yet ensue.
Definitely!
I honestly believe it's because people have just become self-centered and either don't observe the world around them or just don't care and make their own rules. It's incredibly scary that even professionals can't get past societal issues.
Any update on this case? Did the learjeet get yelled at?
I haven't seen or heard anything
Of course with a second or less to respond after your done talking
I can't thumbs up without going back and watching again
Helping you is ok, but help me help you too
The pilot of the Lear jet needs to have their license revoked for this.
What happens to the Lear jet pilot?
I didn't hear the pilot of PJ280 repeat the instruction to wait.
I was on an airliner that was firmly on the ground and then took off again. This was at Houston Hobby sometime around 1990.
As we were taking off, I saw another airliner taking off on a crossing runway approaching the runway intersection behind us. If the pilot had not reacted as he did, we might easily have collided with the other airliner at that intersection.
?? behind?
What are the possible consequences for the Hop-a-jet?
People see things... it's some brains way to handle situations like this.
What happened to “clear right” “clear left”?
Controller handled this well imho; too close for comfort. Will be interesting to read the FAA report. Learjet pilot not looking out the side on takeoff roll?
Always got to pay attention at a busy airport like this
Saw this earlier in the week…bad bad on the Lear.
It’s hard to understand how these things happen - unless you consider all the human factors of distraction, tiredness, etc. Theoretically, there could be something as simple as a traffic light that signals when a plane to take off - like the lights that regulate when you can enter the freeway.
Didn’t hop-a-jet plane involved in another incident recently
I see this and think, are we really ready for flying cars?
NEVER listen or take an account from Passengers as face value! They don’t have any details other than “feelings”… bizarre report… let’s wait for facts!
4,000 feet? where'd that come from?
The concerns are reasonable but thousands of planes fly closer every day. We are thrilled to see military jets flying in close formation.
That is completely different and totally unrelated. And that is the exception, not thousands.
I did the math (hate having to convert units), 530 ft at 120 kts takes about 3 seconds (if my math is correct, which it usually isn't) 😞 !!!
Just because there is a trend in the media does not mean there is an actual trend happening. These incidence have always happened and will unfortunately continue to happen until something fundamentally changes. Humans will continue to make mistakes and takeoff without clearance. The only thing that can prevent disaster is analyzing when or why that happens and trying to find methods to detect it earlier, to change procedures (e.g. not use crossing departures/arrivals) or to change airport layouts (have more parallel runways).
I'll tell you why this is happening there are way to many planes in the air. The planes are also arriving all at the same time they need to figure something out. All major airports should have groud radar so ATC can see what the hell is going on.
Maybe the Passengers Experienced a Somatogravic and Somatogyral Illusions from the Sudden acceleration and pitch along with Any Yaw being felt as a roll in the opposite direction, specially if they suddenly started looking left and right, expecting the plane to be level and landing their brain would have been overwhelmed specially if they were in the back where yaw is the most notable.
Football fields are, after all, the most accurate and universally accepted form of measurement
maybe there is more traffic that is not experienced at flying.
Captain to the passengers:
"Hello, this is your captain speaking, I just wanted to let you know that we experienced a minor technical issue and we will be going around for a second landing attempt. Sit tight, we'll have you in the ground in about 5 minutes"
The minor technical issue? We almost crashed into a jet that was on the runway
"The pattern is too busy. They want to get [the offender] handed off to departure and they'll deal with it later". NO! Dude almost caused an two-plane crash! Is the crew competent? Are they legal? They're already being reckless! "[Offending aircraft] Current IFR clearance amended: direct Logan for the ILS and full-stop. Police will be waiting at the gate".
Clearly there needs to be ground radar and an automated system for planes on the ground to cross traffic and get clearances. This business of verbal clearances is too easy to fail. Also, waiting in a takeoff position while another lands on a crossing runway is ridiculous. Hold short until they have passed.
Does anybody discipline the charter jet?😫
Pilots are starting to hate waiting for takeoff clearance.
Just think how much more "'interesting" things will become when the planes are unmanned drones flown by pilots off somewhere in some Batcave someplace.
Why do they design airports to have crossing runways? Why are the runways not parallel with drive lanes or other runways parpindicul at each end?.
Cost and Land Restrictions.
Each runway requires immense space, it’s not just the runway, but everything from navigation equipment to requirements on firefighting equipment and their distance to any given runway (Dulles had to build a new station and staff it full time just because they added a new parallel runway for example.)
Also it doesn’t really change anything, if they aren’t parallel runways, then their paths will intersect at some point automatically- even if it isn’t physically on the pavement. With that in mind, any deviation is just as dangerous even if they’re actually intersecting- the traffic flow should be identical and just as safe regardless.
Parpindiculully that won't work!
@@EstorilEm very true that all parallel runways are a bad idea, especially if you have changeable wind patterns, however, I think the question should be, need we be really doing simultaneous operations on intersecting runways?
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 I don't think there's anything wrong with parallel runways at all - maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say...
But yes, simultaneous ops with intersecting runways is routine at almost any airport which has them (hence the millions spent to install them.) To reference Dulles again, they almost always use 12/30 for departures, especially in the morning... depending on winds, the parallel 1/19 L/C/R runways will be arrivals and departures. If the winds are particularly bad or at least their direction (ie westerly) - planes will perform a circle-to-land approach to 1R and turn at the last second to land onto 12/30.
I suppose Dulles is different in that their "perpendicular" runway doesn't PHYSICALLY intersect the parallel runways, BUT if someone began their takeoff roll without clearance on 12/30 and there was a plane coming in to land on 1L for example, it would be handled in a similar manner as a near-miss as the landing aircraft could conceivably collide with the one taking off on 30 - regardless of the runways literally intersecting on the ground or not.
The only solution is for everyone to follow instructions (and controllers to never screw up said instructions) which is nearly impossible with 45,000 flights a day in the USA alone. Things like TCAS, situational-awareness training, overall experience, and ESPECIALLY implementing Airport Surface Detection Systems / ASDE-X is pretty much all we can do. The latter is really critical in incidents we've seen lately, as it tracks potential conflicts with aircraft in the air AND on the ground in the immediate airport vicinity kinda like TCAS for controllers - it will absolutely save lives, especially in poor weather like we saw with the near-miss the other day involving that Southwest / Fedex.
Guy that said they landed might have felt the gear coming back up?
The problem is with intersecting runways...there are craziest things
Definitely have to pay attention!
It is time to widrpen the margin of error, or safety buffer, aircraft should wait at the junction, not on the runway.
Sometimes they do...just depends on what clearance the controller gives
This impatience attitude is dangerous enough while driving. They should be permanently grounded.
I wonder if the passenger percieved the gear coming back up as a touchdown.
Possible, but my money would be on some combo of throttles being advanced back up and attitude adjustment, since the airliner had already flared for landing. I've been a passenger when my flight had to do a go around earlier than this, and there was a definite bumpy feeling as the plane accelerated again
Crap like this is part of why I question when say like my city wants to close the Class D that is literally right downtown and falls within 15 NM of the Class B lines in favor of either using the Class B airport or the other Class D that is within the 20 NM in the Class B lines and way out of the way.
That's not a near miss! That's a near hit! A *collision* is a near miss.
**BOOM**
Look! They nearly missed.
Ahh. The good old "football field" unit of measurement.. lol murica
This is so scary!
If the pilots retracted the gear the doors slamming shut could be confused with a touchdown to a passenger.
That's definitely a possibility!
No.
The big thump you hear with the gear is the Downlocks engaging. Door closure always has sounded like a reduction in noise level from beneath the A/C.
Too many close calls simply because there's too many planes!
Jet blue pilots selection is getting better and bitter .......
KBOS is just like the rest of roads in Boston.
But I'm sure because of memes the internet will still blame Jet Blue... or what the heck let's blame Spirit Airlines even though they were not involved at all!
Chicken bacon ranch bean dip can cause many close calls
I can see where the ATC might have to start treating the ones on the ground like kindergarteners. Pull up to the stop sign and report when you've stopped. Ok. Stopped. Are you stopped? Yes. Ok wait right there until I tell you something different. Are you waiting? Yes. I've always wondered if these extremely brief and limited instructions wouldn't be hard to understand, never having flown a plane, but now I see they're easy to remember and repeat without following them because your mind is somewhere else.
I count at least 5, maybe 6 recent close calls...
There's been a few for sure. I think the news is doing a much better job of reporting these too
Wow, no cap🧢🤩🤣🤣
If you’re going to make a go of this RUclips thing, you need to get a better microphone so it sounds less echoey, Dji has some very good microphones and I’m sure there are more out there. I do enjoy the channel though.
Thanks for watching and the feedback! I've got a Blue Yeti but I've also tried a Rode lav mic. I think part of the problem is also the room setup, but I'll keep working on it!
Holy shit you have hair??
FFS just run the audio once without interrupting - then you do your verbiage!
Do we have language interpretation issues..meaning what you say and what i hear not the same or vice versa...not just in aviation..