The crazy thing is is that Dan Gibson really does of that "groundbreaking research" anyone would like to chalk up about and its all lining up. I'm about to order his book "Early Islamic Qiblas" for the holidays.
Great work you people are doing. Digging deep into the history and bringing the exact truth with fact's is marvellous.you people are having great knowledge. Keep the good work going take care.
Thanks for the great video brother!! Both of you really poke a HUGE HOLE through the narrative of Islam. If anyone could publish a scholarly journal somewhere, that will be a great breakthrough on historical critics of Islam.
I’m convinced completely that Gibson is right about Petra. Aside from the similarities with the Hajj its far too coincidental that the conquest of mecca dates around the same time as the conquest of Petra, and how Petra suddenly just became abandoned around the 8th century when these redacted accounts of Islam came about.
@@hans471 www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamicfinder.org/knowledge/islam-and-sunnah/conquest-of-makkah/amp/ The dating for mecca goes wide ranges because the Islamic sources are contradictory, which makes me suspect they’re hiding something or false. www.terhaal.com/history-petra The interesting thing is the Islamic sources do not mention the conquest of Petra by name even though it would arguably be the most important city, but it falls within the dates of when mekkah was conquested. Historians just say the Christians were converted but I’m certain they’re working with the standard Islamic narrative. Most of Islam’s history comes from these three. Muslim ibn al hajjaj (Sahih Muslim) born 815 in Iraq Muhammad al Bukhari (Sahih bukhari) born 810 in Uzbekistan worked in Iran Ibn Hisham born in Iraq died in 833, editing the work of Ibn Ishaq who supposedly first mentioned Muhammad but we don’t have his work. Along with the four imams that created the Sharia and selected Hadiths, all these characters except Ishaq were hundreds of years after Muhammad and hundreds of miles away. The closest person to Muhammad was Muhammad Ibn Ishaq but we only have the edited work of someone that was nowhere near him. I suspect the location of Petra was lost between then, with Ibn Ishaq knowing he was talking about Petra but the later scholars being too far removed to either know better or care because they were hundreds of miles from the Hejaz.
It’s just so striking and sad how this faulty religion with all of these shocking findings that prove it’s all made up still survives to this day holding a strong thorny grip around people’s lives blinding them from the truth and even when you rid yourself from these thorns you still have to live with its remnants. And what is more sad is that you get excited you want to share it with everyone you know, but you can’t...
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. This is a continuation of the battle between good and evil which started in the Garden. There is a supernatural battle going on, and Islam is just a recent manifestation of Satan's handiwork.
@@FreeRadical7118 You jealous christian people .......why you guys so jealous and angry to islam.... beause we do not have thousand version Quran like you guys have bible..... you changed bible but we didn't .... we follow our Prophet but you made your prophet god son ... another god .... lol .....god came to earth like a human.... lol .... you made your religion fairy tale story .... very funny..... you guys completely changed your rules and regulations .... no pray, no fasting, eat pork, drink alcohol , having sex with anyone without marriage , gave birth children without marriage ( bastard born every where now ) .... you guys do not have shame , no purity .your whole family mom, dad, aunt , uncle, brothers sisters, wife, husband having sex with anyone, so many sex partner..... women and girls walking almost naked no shame, they dress like a whore ..... you guys do not rake care of your parents .... left them alone ..... don't you dare talk about islam..... why guys even follow your prophet jesus..... they didn't taught you nasty stuff .... eating pork.... going to charch for dancing and singing , worship to him ..... mind your own business...... go fix your self .... fix your religion , stop having sex with everyone without marriage .... .. there are no pure man or woman in christianity ..... you guys worship devil ...... you have no right to talk about our religion .... you do not know anything about it .... and we muslim people do not care about you guys .... you guys are nasty mentality .
@@saminatasnuva9813 Were I "jealous", there are probably six mosques within 30 minutes (round trip) drive. I don't go to take shahada, because I refuse to submit to ANY entity inferior to my own morals and intelligence. I was more intelligent than your idol when I was in middle school, and my moral code was far higher when I was atheist. What grade are you in? You'll need to get much smarter to challenge us. You're an excellent example for why I'll never join your herd.
Fascinating. God is good to His people and still longsuffering to those who had opposed and mocked Him. He is patiently showing what is true and what was false all along that men may turn to Him. The evidence keeps getting stronger and stronger concerning the false book, the false prophet, and the false god.
@@davlid100 The Bible is the same ..... manufactured with plagiarized stories and full of contradictions and mistakes ! Muslim or Christian .... it matters not .... you are being sold a big fairy tale. Dr Smith brings it all to light on the Koran, but it's all there to discover on the bible side if you want to take the time, and stop with the blind faith belief that an off world entity is coming to save you.
The auto captions have you introducing yourself as “Alpha D” instead of Al Fadi, for some reason I find that 😂 I’m going to have trouble not thinking of you as Alpha D from now on. 🤪
Thank you Brothers Al & Jay for this brilliant series concentrating on all the critical issues in Islam proofs again over and over that Islam is a pagan dead cult. The photos and images are amazing. I will share the series also on my Facebook - The Deception of Allah. Shalom and God bless.
@@habtoralmatim7481 quran is a scientific miracle. The earth is flat and the sky is a ceiling which can crack and is held up with invisible pillars. The moon is split in two. The scientists of today are wrong, they should all read the quran and believe.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 Exactly, what's the problem? quran has all the perfect answers. Earth is flat and the sky is a ceiling held up with invisible pillars. No really this is true, it's not a fairy tale.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 You ask science or the quran? Of course the quran, the sun going down in a muddy pool and a people living there is proven by science.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 How dare you question the quran stating that you are sleeping in a ball or egg like bed. In the quran the earth is flat like a carpet or bed.... point. I advise you to read the quran then you will know and understand the truth and science it contains before the fake science started.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 The quran does not talk about the place you walk or sleep but that the earth is flat. A carpet or bed. The quran is clear about it. You should not twist the words of the quran. You fun seeker, peeking on naked people shouldn't do that. Shame on you. If you stay a good muslim you know very well that in heaven you'll receive 72 ho's. So try to behave and keep your nakedness to yourself till heaven. So please don't twist the quran again.
I watched this documentary many months ago and I did a lot research with no bios but Just finding the truth I can 100% say that mecca was in Petra and Ibn Zubeyr moved it to southern part of Medina Beside These evidence that prove Real Mecca is in Petra 1.The traveling Timing for Hussein Ibn Ali in the year 61 from Mecca in Saudi Arabia Toward Karbala ( A place near Najaf in Iraq) does not fit at all, because the distance from mecca to Karbala is 1700 km and the journey took 20 days but camel normally can go 6 kph, So the Caravan could get Karbala in 34 days not 20 days but the timing Perfectly fits the Petra to Karbala. 2.And based upon the early Islamic Books such as following sources Hira Cave, Taeef, Kaaba, Safa and marva mountain doesn't fit with those are existing in mecca but those perfectly fit with Petra : اخبار المکه - صحیح بخار - الطبری - سیره ابن هشام 3. From 2600 BC up to 100 After-Christ there were no civilization living in Saudi Arabia and that is a big conflict with mecca history Source: ruclips.net/video/ymI5Uv5cGU4/видео.html 4. Why should Prophet Mohammed PBH should prepare to war with Romans in the year 9 AH (Tabuk war - تبوک) or else mecca was in romans territory and is that a coincidence that romans lost Jordan territory control exactly in that year! Source: ruclips.net/video/w5zYpWcz1-E/видео.html 5. Quranic and Qurashi Arabic is a Semitic language and it developed through Hismaic & Safaitic and originated/completed in Petra Source: ruclips.net/video/jWTB59TrNqQ/видео.html&t 6.The the Qur'anic famous idols Al-Lat, Ma Nat Uzza are from Petra Not Saudi Arabia! Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Lat 7.The Taeef (الطائف) based upon the Islamic sources was a city surrounded by mountains that sometimes it has snow with grape and other fruits but The Taeef in Saudi Arabia is flat plateau with no mountain around Source: AL-Tabari 8.The Hira Cave based upon Islamic sources was located in valley the entrance toward Kaaba and Mina it was big enough that qurash people The cave was so big that the Quraysh Arabs used to perform rituals there for a month every year and the Prophet Mohammad occasionally fed the poor people there and there were pagan carvings inside the cave, but the entrance of Hira cave in Saudi Arabia is toward the Israel and not parallel with Mina. but The Hira cave in Petra perfectly fits these criteria Source: Ibn Hisham - Al tabari - al halbi 9. The Safa and Marva Mountain are two small rock in Saudi Arabia but Islamic source says the Marva was big that once there were houses on the mountain Source: اخبار المکه - المنتقی، 10. Psalms and early Islamic sources specifically declare that mecca located in a valley but mecca in Saudi Arabia is not in a valley but the Kaaba in Petra is located in a valley Source: Psalms 84:5-7 صحصح بخاری - اخبار المکه 11. Big Empires like Romans and Cyrus The Great never entered the land of Saudi Arabia why ? because there were no civilization that time 12. shib abi-talib based upon Islamic sources There was a narrow passage between the mountains that had one entrance but shib abi-talib in Saudi Arabia it does not fit with this criteria on the other hand there a perfect match shib abi-talib in petra. source: اخبار المکه - سیره النبی 13. From year 11 AH that Prophet Mohammed PBH died up to 215 AH, for 201 years after prophet there is no biography written for him and those authors were too far from Mecca and Media, Why sources are Too late and too far? 14. Ud & Thamud that based upon the Islamic sources were nearby mecca are found in Syria and Petra not in Saudi Arabia 15. based upon the Islamic sources Moses visited Mecca just after the mount Sinai but if you look at the rout that Moses passed through to get Israel you will see it is not possible or else mecca were in Petra Just change your Qibla this does not affect your belief To Islam and Allah
Maybe this guy needs to do research on the past 80 years and how the saudi government (house of saud) changed the area. Petra has always been a a place where caravans and travellers stayed and rested. Of course they will have wells. Most places in the deserts are based on water or near water.
There are several mosques pointing inbetween Petra and Mecca in Saudi Arabia built after the death of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif in 95 AH. For instance the Ba'albeck Mosque that was built in 122 AH points inbetween Petra and Mecca.
@@PeterHarremoes :Dan Gibson.. I have his book. There have been 4 Qiblah directions over time (i) Petra (ii) Halfway point if you draw a line between Petra & Mecca (iii) African Mosques. Qibla direction pointing roughly in the direction of South Africa. If you draw a line between Petra & Mecca, the Qiblah is parallel to that. (iv) Mecca The Mosques do not lie. Dan Gibson does his measurements using GPS coordinates.
@@stephenhowe4107 I know that very well, but according to the classification in Gibson's book there are three mosques with between qiblas built during the life time of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif, but there are 6 mosques with between qiblas built after the death of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif. Therefore al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif cannot have built all the mosques with qiblas between Petra and Mecca as claimed in the video.
I know that the Bible is Truth, that Jesus Christ is my God n Savior.I do Not need to worry of others....Anyways, thanks n much appreciated for the great research to undo the falsehoods.
Jesus Christ is not God... He is God's first creation hence can't be God. John 3:16 Colossians 1:13-15 The false teachings of Jesus being God was influenced by Roman Pagans.
Great job has been done Dan Gibson and also great contribution Dr Jay smith to humanity.. Iam Muslim by birth and was indoctrinated In the Hanfi school of thought... when i grew up studied the history and found that Sunni version of Islam is founded on the pillars of told and fabricated stories. I am a devoted listener of Dr. Jay Smith and Dan Gibson,,, I enjoyed their work.. But I believe in Muhammad as a Prophet of Allah . Quran revealed on him...
Costa Sehagal Here is another channel that compares the Apostle Paul to your Prophet Mohammad, please listen and see for yourself who is really the servant of God among the two. ruclips.net/video/MDZNWz8cV7A/видео.html
Dont get fooled by dan gibson , he is anti islam and only wants to bring muslims in discredit, he is trying to destroy islamic history , but it will never work lol
I don't believe there's any devil who is afraid of meteors thrown at them, much less mere stones. It doesn't matter whether it's 49 or 72 or even 7000 stones!
When Muslims refuse to believe the proofs shown by scientific research and scholarship they remain blind holding to the teachings of their religion and continue to believe the lie their Quran, Mohammad, Jibreel and Allah is telling them.
there is only one thing that the devil is terrified of - the name of Jesus Christ and there is only one Person he is terrifed of - the Lord Jesus Christ who is Lord over all.
Reference made to verse 108 of surah 9, the wording " Ô prophet" in the English translation of the verse, is not present in the original. This changes the context and meaning of the verse. I think that the verse addresses to believers of all times.
IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE, LEAVING DOUBTFUL MATTERS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. Our Deen is a Deen of CERTAINTY. It is not based upon ASSUMPTIONS and DOUBTS. Hence, when there are things that make you doubt, Islam ORDERS us to LEAVE them because when we fall into doubtful matters, we fall into what is HARAM. قَالَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه و سلم : "إنَّ الْحَلَالَ بَيِّنٌ، وَإِنَّ الْحَرَامَ بَيِّنٌ، وَبَيْنَهُمَا أُمُورٌ مُشْتَبِهَاتٌ لَا يَعْلَمُهُنَّ كَثِيرٌ مِنْ النَّاسِ، فَمَنْ اتَّقَى الشُّبُهَاتِ فَقْد اسْتَبْرَأَ لِدِينِهِ وَعِرْضِهِ، وَمَنْ وَقَعَ فِي الشُّبُهَاتِ وَقَعَ فِي الْحَرَامِ..." The Messenger (ﷺ) said, “That which is Halal is clear and that which is Haram is clear, and between the two of them are doubtful matters about which many people do not know. So whoever distance himself from it, he clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor, but those who fall into it, he has fallen into a state of Haram.” |Narrated by Al Bukhāri and Muslim| To those Muslims who continue to support a place that has been declared as doubtful publicly with evidence- witnessed by their fellow muslims, HAVE SOME GHEERAH FOR YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. Don't act as if you are standing for justice and solidarity, while you stuff your face supporting people who play a mockery of the muslim community. In Islamic jurisprudence, there is a grey area called MASHBOOH. If one does not know the halal or haram status of a particular idea, place, food, drink, IT SHOULD NOT BE ENTERTAINED nor CONSUMED. So, stay away from doubtful matters. A CLEAR proof is indeed better than a handful of fabricated stories. Furthermore, an istishadi amaliyat should be conducted on these assholes who are sowing fitnah on whoever has the means to do so.
Indian scholars have long since proved that the KABBA was originally the site of Hindu SHIVA temple where the priests in white performed the Hindu rites which r followed by Muslims.
Yes , mecca and kaaba were full of idols but after coming of Muhammad ,people understand that idol worship is fake and senseless and the idol worshipper on their own demolished idols and then kaaba made , It is the most holy place for muslim , I have researched about it prophet Muhammad SAW is existed
how zam zam well was lost ?? Zam Zam well is un ending ... is one of the revelations of Allah ... In honour of Hazrat Ismael and Lady Hajraa...... wheere is the proof of Zam Zam in Petra
Zumzum was even before Christ . It was miracle given to Ishmael 's mother when left alone by Abraham in the desert beside the remains of old kaaba. This was a command from Almighty God
there is someone who made a series against dan gibson's petra theory could you make an answer to that because it is about arguments from the arabic language his channel is called Detective O'Wil
Petra got abrogated (by the god who couldn't get things right the first time and could have his mind changed repeatedly by that final prophet). Islam is for the mindless.
🤣🤣🤣 So true. Abrogation is literally a total contradiction to the eternal unchanging word of God. Somehow, muslims who accept abrogation are utterly blind to the colossal hypocrisy. HOW??
Petra d left in let what history states it was destroyed by the Earthquake? That one I know isn't because of the customer? Or did Petra re -establish it and then destroy it for the purpose of relocating to the new Mecca? the black stone was most likely taken from the altar where Isaac's sacrifice was burned... is my opinion correct....
Holes in Islamic Standrad Narrative, are growing bigger and bigger, they have become ditches now. The ground under Islam's feet is disappearing, even dishes are becoming too big.
You can watch the details in dan Gibson's youtube channel. In short, there was a big civil war about the caliphate between the ummayads and ibn zubair (who ruled petra/Mekka). Ibn zubair had the black stone bring down to Mekka to keep control on it. You can also watch Gibson's movie "the sacred city" about this
@@popcornagain7034 No I build my information based on facts. No matter what you think of the Petra theory, we can safely say that islam leaves up a lot of room for speculation. And history does not really support the official narrative of the birth of islam.
This's is only to defame Muslim's faith. Islam is what the Divine creator Allah says in Quran. Islam is not what the earthly created humans say do or write. From 610 to 632ce. Prophet Mohammed has offered namaz from all 360 degrees around the Kaba. A Muslim who has understood Quran in his language can never go astray.
As per my understanding from the holy Quran, the Arabia Petraea (today's Petra) is referred to as "the City" ( In Arabic Al Madina). the place is described as having rock sculpted dwellings where people lived in them. Whereas Mecca (or wadi Becca) located in its vicinity, is an area ruled by the Roman empire where lived Jews and Christians. The holy Quran talks about the battle with the Romans (Al Rum). Another battle was with the non believers at the sacred site where believing men and women also lived among its population along with the disbelievers. In the book, It is clearly mentioned that the prophet entered the holy site for the first time when he won the battle against the disbelievers. The holy site has been stated as being " the masjid". It is important to mention that the holy Quran is nothing new but a reminder of older scripts sent to prophets David, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). If you come across the holy bible (Mark 11: 11-17), it is not difficult to quickly understand the reaction of Jesus son of Mary (pbuh) when he entered the holy site with his disciples, and called the house of God to be a house of prayer for all nations !! There can only be one house to be the house of prayer for all nations and for all the believers that prophets tried to bring guidance for. So if you wonder what relation is there between Petra and modern Mecca, you need to know who were the people living in Petra at that time , what was their faith and relation with the prophet. Yes , Dr. Jay is correct in his analysis and I agree with him on the building of a second site in 697 (AD). A fairly good clarification is provided in chapter 9 verses 107-110 of the holy book on that particular issue. Beware that these verses prophecized the future at the time they were revealed way before the construction of the new building. "Ô prophet" was added into the English translation of verse 108, which should not be there if you had to follow the Arabic version alone! This drastically alters the context (meaning) and understanding of this crucial event.
Aparently there are rituals to the god Shiva in India which include moving in circles and throwing the stones. This is a duplication of pagan rituals which may have originated in Babylon.
Kiran Raj I stand corrected on the throwing of stones, thanks. I must however mention that I do not see the many similarities between these ancient polytheistic religious practices in other parts of the world and the middle east as coincidental. A great diaspora moved out of ancient Babylon region 2100 BCE and influenced many other religions. The idea of the underworld for example gave.rise to the teaching of the immortality of the soul in both western and eastern cultures.
@@araunapalm lol im born hindu i know my culture better than you. Shiva is a hindu god but if you say other pagan practices then it might be there but u didn't mention in which pagan religion it was practiced. Muhammed had always copy pasted from one religion to other.
@@donovan8747 haha yeah as if god makes mistakes again n again like human also he has human emotions of jealousy and he created foreskin then was like shit that was my mistake It’s ok now the human design is done let them cut it themselves haha
Petra is Battra exited before Abraham. The city originally existed with cultivation and rised animals than the people of the city started abandoning their way if life and started caving the rock to make houses and this action was known as Battra means they became pride and arrogant. God than sent prophet Saleh to warn the people and to believe in one God but they asked him to come with the sign than God send them the camel but strung it and God blast them dead and allowed the ruins to remain as a sign and warning. So Macca is Macca and Battra is Battra . Quran for more details.
-Psalms:84:5 “Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.”6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. -Genesis:47:9 “And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.”
İ believe the pharaoh asked Jacob about how old was he and Jacob replied this because of the difficulties of his life rather than am actual pilgrimage.
@@cosmokaulitz22 My friend they can twist the word as they want! Let see if you are a truth seeker or you only want to score! What is God's (the father) name in the New Testament?
@@hoodhud390 Yāhwēh... However, it's a common custom among Jews to avoid the usage of the Saint name so either they replace it with Adonai, Elohim or HaShem (The Name).
@@cosmokaulitz22 John 20:21 Peace be unto you YHWH doesn't exist in the New Testament and for Hashem you are almost right since Arabic and Aramaic are Semitic languages.. In the New Testament there is a verse in which Jesus himself tells you the name of God: -Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Elah= God Elahi= my God El Elah= The God Allah doesn't sound like Yhwh does it?
During Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) times there was treaty happened between kuffar of Makkah and Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) in place called Hudebiyah.. That place is between Madinah and Makkah... And Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) and his Companions were travelling for Umrah from Madinah to Makkah.... So if Makkah is Patra as per Dan... Then there should be place called Hudebiyah between Madinah and Patra.. Can anyone knows about that place? Who is considering the Patra as Makkah..
Today Mecca is "makkah al-makramah" meaning "Mecca the honoured/sacred" مكة = Mecca might have the origin in the arabic word mccann مكان = Place or side. That would make Mecca literally into "The honoured place" with might refer to the madjid al Haram. The "confusion" where Mecca was might based on the fact that the name refered just to "place of..." like in the America you hunderds of places included the word "Point of..." in it. Maybe Jerusalem, Petra and later todays Mecca were all once a Makkah = the holy place. If the majdid al Haram was constucted in 697 that could be the starting point of the new Mecca, the Makkah of today.
I like some things in Quran but i dont understand general excitment i read it and i dont see any value about it, tons of text without any story in order
All pagan worships from Ancient Mesopotamia which is Babylon where paganism originated after the flood, from Nimrod the son of Cush a descendant of Hem the son of Noah, they worshipped Nimrod as “the father god” and Semiramis as “the mother god” and Tammuz as “the son god”. It’s the same pattern for all pagan worship, all their gods have a feminine or mother god, 4rm Babylon to Egypt to Greece to Rome to Nordic to Hindu and even the Roman Catholic, they all are Satan worshippers in different names....We are most fortunate to be on the Side of the True God Yahweh through Christ Jesus our Lord🙏
@@meemiegarus4426 It is sad that the Roman Catholics do pray to idols and images, venerate Mother Mary, have ordained priests whose prayers can change bread and wine to become real flesh and blood of the Lord, enforce celibacy and confession, pray for souls in purgatory, baptize infants with water, use holy water to exorcise demons, offer repeatedly our Lord in their masses, believe their Pope who is infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra, canonize members as saints and so on and so forth.
Great research ! But really, this stuff is not supposed to be brought up in public. O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102). "Muhammad himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77) "The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad's reaction to hostile questioners.
@@sphagbog Yesss. Qadhi did a deep dive into islamic sources and he said it's not wise to talk about in public! 🌾 Perhaps his concern is the peacefuls becoming more peaceful, or leaving the cult that is his career.
That's the problem if you pretend to know in which you don't know, read Qur'an and other Islamic literature so you will understand what is Islam before you judge anything try to educate yourself with the issue you are engaged so you will not get lost, knowledge is very important for normal human being
You can watch the videos in dan Gibson's youtube channel with the details. In Particular he identified the ruins of the kaaba building in petra. The masjid al haram is basically a large part of the city and he identified the border stones. He also identified the nymphaeum in Petra with zamzam
That well in MACA took some construction as it had to be deep to find any water .Ancient weel lsin Arabia were usually shallow as water was near the surface . you would need a lot of men of build the well in MECA ,so t was not a ancient well.
Could also the totally destructive earthquake in Petra (heard 713 suggested but not sure where this information comes from), which made Petra unlivable, also have done for Petra as a holy site, hence all the qiblas needing to moved. As in people of those times would certainly regard an earthquake as a judgement of God. We may see it as more likely due to proximity to a geological fault that runs right up from the Rift valley in Africa, right up along the Dead Sea. So if there was a holy prophet or teacher supposed to be there, it would discredit him if he was there. The earthquake would seem like God saying, "your religion is fake." Hence a useful relocation of the story to quieter zones of deepest Arabia, might be a good plan for the caliphs, if they were using the religion as the way of uniting Arabs and having a great sense of religious vindication of their acquisition of power (a "manifest destiny"). Of course political rivalries and ascendancy of the Eastern Arabs (formerly Lakhmids. vassals of Iranian Sassanids) over Western Arabs (erstwhile Ghassanids perhaps, vassals of the Byzantines) may also have motivated a move of the narrative, to remove the Nabataean Arab influence, and consolidate the hold of the Abbasids. There are other people who may have inspired the picture of Mohammed that got into the texts of the Abbasids. There is Iyas Ibn Qabisa of Hira, for instance. Jay is running over the material rather quickly, so it can feel that a lot of the nuts and bolts of the argument are missing, as in for instance, it would be useful to say where the narrative of Zubayr came from, when he took the black stone from Petra, it is alleged, down into the deserts of Hijaz as a refuge from Muyiwa, and it later being perhaps installed into a replacement holy site, at Mecca.
New Jay wardrobe! I like the entering the winter of the soul look. Hum, not Roy O or Johnny C but it just needs your Speakers Corner shades. Oh, and the info to date between Dan and Mel the standard narrative is being replanted in it's native habitat. Just for you Jay, the whole story is fabulous, all the pieces fit the narrative better than the botched job they did later, worse than watching bangers being made without proper supervision by grade schoolers (no offense to kids). They can't even get the measurements of the box right.
Muslims should continue with rituals in Mecca, even if they originated in Petra. It is impossible today to do it in Petra, but you can go there as tourist. Muhammad as is in Bible as " Paraclete" from greek word that is the same as Ahmed in Qur'an from Isaa as or Jesus.
Bila Mehdi The graves of Ishmael and Hagar would be locatable under the semi circular enclosure outside the Kaaba. A ground survey at Petra and at Mecca would establish if this tradition is consistent with the geographical shift by Zubair.
There was no geographical shift by Zubair because ZamZam well is in Mecca and not Petra... who ever is spreading fakenews should come with some proof... 1500 mosque direction was set by approximation rather than GPS ...
@@yazeetebrahim8164: My God said the love of money is the root all evil and to love your neighbor as your self! Allah says kill says to kill the apostate and Muhammad was a raider!
Why I am a Muslim. In my soul I always knew that God is ONE who begets not nor was he begotten and there is none like him to him. I told myself that if i find any Prophet or Holy Book that even said once that “God is ONE who who has no parents and no children and there is nothing in the universe like him” then I would believe in that Prophet and that Holy Book. I found ISLAM. Now even if somebody thought they could convince me that every iota of Islam is false, I would never be able to worship a polytheistic Trinity god. I worship the Lord of Abraham who begets not nor was he be gotten and there is none like onto him. - Cynthia Myers
Is there any historical evidence which supports that kaaba was transferred from Petra to Makka? Why did the Umayd followers later not deny the shift of Kaaba at Makka?
@@UtubeAW Baitullah was in Bacca, which was the qibla of prophet Ibrahim. Kaaba is in Macca and it is the qibla of prophet Muhammad and his followers. Prophet Muhammad's mission was to transform Kaaba from polytheistic to monotheistic form.
So if the most precious Thing on Earth was a black stone, many may want to steal it. But if one would actually do so, one may want to flea and hide it from others. And what better place to go but where ot is impossible to survive, yet where no civilization can settle...
Petra in that time is under roman rule, and roman forbid polytheist, so its impossible if petra is mecca which described have alot of pagan statues and temples
Well , the stories say that Muhammad himself put the black stone bk to its original place after Kaaba 🕋 was realized after a flood , so black stone was there in Kaaba 🕋. So they say .
If you are assuming that there was no Mecca before the Prophet message, then you are suggesting that all the poetry of Arabs before Islam was also made up? Like the Arabs not only they invaded half of the world in short period of time, but they also manage to do mega Hollywood's to create a Quran, Sira, Hadith and classic Arabic poetry and everyone across this whole vast region agree to this re-writing of history and this history is made up just for the sake of changing from Petra to Mecca! Just pay attention to the fact that Arabs across history after Islam, they never settled on one ruling empire, so if it was an agenda put together, which is probably the biggest hidden agenda in human history, other countering Arab or Muslim entities would have fought back or at least write about this disaster as per Dan Gibson.
in tanach , ishmael went to live in deasert of "paran" and married an eyptian women(picked by hagar?), after the stuff that happened after hagar had left avraham then had the angel thing happen ( somewhere in the desert of beersheva , and somehow ended up in petra "women with kid,no map", i would say, lol, according to midrashim hagar was a daughter of pharoh, mabye she was trying to go home to eygpt? if so, women with no map. did not pack enough .... ) . i want to say my shnekel.(two cents)... what if the paran deseret is petra.... and some of this muslim "mecca " stuff is copying what happened with hagar and ismael? try shaving all the "etxras " off that were added in later? not any rabbinic athorty just had this idea.... only writing after this sounds normal......
The Quran does not contain Bible stories although the Quran and the Bible may share similarities in a few of the stories. The stories in the Quran are the stories of the many sects of the Jewish and Christian tribes in 7th Century Arabia. Among the Jewish sects were those who worshipped Ezra as the son of God. The Christian sects included Trinitarians, Gnostics, Collyridians and others. The traditions of these Christian and Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula diverged from those traditions practiced by the Jews and Christians residing in Palestine, Syria and Babylonia. It was from these latter northern traditions that the Biblical writers drew for their narratives in Biblical texts. There are commonalities, to be sure as the name of the Biblical deity, Aloah which parallels the Arabic name Allah and appears in more than 50 Biblical verses as Deu 32:15, Deu 32:17, 2 Chr 32:15, Neh 9:17, Job 3:4, Job 3:23, Job 4:9, Job 4:17, Job 5:17, Job 6:4, Job 6:8, Job 6:9, Job 9:13, Job 10:2, Job 11:5, Job 11:6, Job 11:7, Job 12:4, Job 12:6, Job 15:8, Job 16:20, Job 16:21, Job 19:6, Job 19:21, Job 19:26, Job 21:9, Job 21:19, Job 22:12, Job 22:26, Job 24:12, Job 27:3, Job 27:8, Job 27:10, Job 29:2, Job 29:4, Job 31:2, Job 31:6, Job 33:12, Job 33:26, Job 35:10, Job 37:15, Job 37:22, Job 39:17, Job 40:2, Psa 18:31, Psa 50:22, Psa 114:7, Psa 139:19, Prov 30:5, Isa 44:8, Dan 11:37, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:39, Hab 1:11, Hab 3:3. The stories regarding Jesus and Mary parallel Biblical stories in many aspects but deviate in many others. The same can be said about the stories regarding Moses, Joseph and others. The differences between the Biblical narratives and those in the Quran are reflective of the fluidity of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. So, it is academically helpful if one compares the origins of the stories in both the Bible and Quran as they reflect the beliefs of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. Muslims hold that the stories in the Quran were revealed to Mohammed to demonstrate to these Arabian Christian and Jewish tribes that he was a true prophet as he could recite their traditions in the most eloquent language and in the most accurate manner. Mohammed knew nothing of these stories and many of the verses in the Quran are answers to inquiries from these Christian and Jewish tribes whose beliefs varied widely from modern Western Christianity. So, a good advice would be to research the languages of both of these texts as well their historical and cultural contexts. Otherwise, debates and discussion become contentious and uninformative.
🧒👉Zam Zam well there is no water 💦 really, muslims have to pump into Zam Zam well new water. From other places. But many muslims Honor that water . And why allah had that women run through 2 mountain 7 times. Then gave her water 😆,lol the New T-sunami that is coming is that the (real) Kaaba is in Petra, not in mecca🌊🏊🕳️ holes in the Islamic Narrative.
THANKS for your scholarship👍. This brief format is easy to share.
Share share and share.....the day of judgement will be excited with their companionship....because according to u its a good deed to share a blunder.
Watching from Japan🇯🇵👍 i love this conversation. Seeking the truth...
Excited to wait for another interesting history from brother Al Fadi, Dr. Jay Smith n historian mr. Dan Gibson.
The crazy thing is is that Dan Gibson really does of that "groundbreaking research" anyone would like to chalk up about and its all lining up. I'm about to order his book "Early Islamic Qiblas" for the holidays.
Great work you people are doing. Digging deep into the history and bringing the exact truth with fact's is marvellous.you people are having great knowledge. Keep the good work going take care.
So excited about these series!
we thank God for you two Al Fadi and Jay Smith.
I'm sure you will regret it one day. Pity
Thank you for the series, very informative 👍, God bless you all.
Thanks for the great video brother!!
Both of you really poke a HUGE HOLE through the narrative of Islam.
If anyone could publish a scholarly journal somewhere, that will be a great breakthrough on historical critics of Islam.
I’m convinced completely that Gibson is right about Petra. Aside from the similarities with the Hajj its far too coincidental that the conquest of mecca dates around the same time as the conquest of Petra, and how Petra suddenly just became abandoned around the 8th century when these redacted accounts of Islam came about.
Do you have A source about this? Ty
@@hans471 www.google.com/amp/s/www.islamicfinder.org/knowledge/islam-and-sunnah/conquest-of-makkah/amp/
The dating for mecca goes wide ranges because the Islamic sources are contradictory, which makes me suspect they’re hiding something or false.
www.terhaal.com/history-petra
The interesting thing is the Islamic sources do not mention the conquest of Petra by name even though it would arguably be the most important city, but it falls within the dates of when mekkah was conquested. Historians just say the Christians were converted but I’m certain they’re working with the standard Islamic narrative.
Most of Islam’s history comes from these three. Muslim ibn al hajjaj (Sahih Muslim) born 815 in Iraq
Muhammad al Bukhari (Sahih bukhari) born 810 in Uzbekistan worked in Iran
Ibn Hisham born in Iraq died in 833, editing the work of Ibn Ishaq who supposedly first mentioned Muhammad but we don’t have his work. Along with the four imams that created the Sharia and selected Hadiths, all these characters except Ishaq were hundreds of years after Muhammad and hundreds of miles away. The closest person to Muhammad was Muhammad Ibn Ishaq but we only have the edited work of someone that was nowhere near him. I suspect the location of Petra was lost between then, with Ibn Ishaq knowing he was talking about Petra but the later scholars being too far removed to either know better or care because they were hundreds of miles from the Hejaz.
Will we trust this bogus discoveries who creates ideas to twist the minds of Idiots
@@gibraelpanayaman2218 you clearly haven’t heard of archeology
@@pa21thebeast what archeology? those stooges never dig anything at the site.
It’s just so striking and sad how this faulty religion with all of these shocking findings that prove it’s all made up still survives to this day holding a strong thorny grip around people’s lives blinding them from the truth and even when you rid yourself from these thorns you still have to live with its remnants. And what is more sad is that you get excited you want to share it with everyone you know, but you can’t...
Satan has a good grip on his people, nothing to worry here. They will be very strong till satan is doomed to his destruction.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
This is a continuation of the battle between good and evil which started in the Garden. There is a supernatural battle going on, and Islam is just a recent manifestation of Satan's handiwork.
Islam is a culture and people are born into it. People who question traditions or pray to Allah by their own without traditions may see the light
@@FreeRadical7118 You jealous christian people .......why you guys so jealous and angry to islam.... beause we do not have thousand version Quran like you guys have bible..... you changed bible but we didn't .... we follow our Prophet but you made your prophet god son ... another god .... lol .....god came to earth like a human.... lol .... you made your religion fairy tale story .... very funny..... you guys completely changed your rules and regulations .... no pray, no fasting, eat pork, drink alcohol , having sex with anyone without marriage , gave birth children without marriage ( bastard born every where now ) .... you guys do not have shame , no purity .your whole family mom, dad, aunt , uncle, brothers sisters, wife, husband having sex with anyone, so many sex partner..... women and girls walking almost naked no shame, they dress like a whore ..... you guys do not rake care of your parents .... left them alone ..... don't you dare talk about islam..... why guys even follow your prophet jesus..... they didn't taught you nasty stuff .... eating pork.... going to charch for dancing and singing , worship to him ..... mind your own business...... go fix your self .... fix your religion , stop having sex with everyone without marriage .... .. there are no pure man or woman in christianity .....
you guys worship devil ...... you have no right to talk about our religion .... you do not know anything about it .... and we muslim people do not care about you guys .... you guys are nasty mentality .
@@saminatasnuva9813 Were I "jealous", there are probably six mosques within 30 minutes (round trip) drive. I don't go to take shahada, because I refuse to submit to ANY entity inferior to my own morals and intelligence. I was more intelligent than your idol when I was in middle school, and my moral code was far higher when I was atheist. What grade are you in? You'll need to get much smarter to challenge us. You're an excellent example for why I'll never join your herd.
Thank you all for showering us with all the historical facts about Islam which which bury it for good
Once again well done guys
Fascinating. God is good to His people and still longsuffering to those who had opposed and mocked Him. He is patiently showing what is true and what was false all along that men may turn to Him. The evidence keeps getting stronger and stronger concerning the false book, the false prophet, and the false god.
Read galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
@@davlid100 The Bible is the same ..... manufactured with plagiarized stories and full of contradictions and mistakes ! Muslim or Christian .... it matters not .... you are being sold a big fairy tale. Dr Smith brings it all to light on the Koran, but it's all there to discover on the bible side if you want to take the time, and stop with the blind faith belief that an off world entity is coming to save you.
The auto captions have you introducing yourself as “Alpha D” instead of Al Fadi, for some reason I find that 😂 I’m going to have trouble not thinking of you as Alpha D from now on. 🤪
Sounds like a superhero name 🤣
@@neutronshiva2498 yeah like it’s short for Alpha Dog 😀
That’s Al Fadi’s rapper name lol he might have a side job as an Arabic rap artist
Awesome!!! Good video, easily understood even though its complicated.. for a beginner to catchup. Good work.. God bless 🙏
Big Al and The Good Doctor bringing the heat!
You guys are doing some really important discovery.!
Thank you Brothers Al & Jay for this brilliant series concentrating on all the critical issues in Islam proofs again over and over that Islam is a pagan dead cult. The photos and images are amazing. I will share the series also on my Facebook - The Deception of Allah. Shalom and God bless.
The true way of life ISLAM God knows
@@habtoralmatim7481 quran is a scientific miracle. The earth is flat and the sky is a ceiling which can crack and is held up with invisible pillars. The moon is split in two.
The scientists of today are wrong, they should all read the quran and believe.
Oops!!!Mecca We Have A Problem
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 Yes it is😉
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 Exactly, what's the problem? quran has all the perfect answers. Earth is flat and the sky is a ceiling held up with invisible pillars.
No really this is true, it's not a fairy tale.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 You ask science or the quran? Of course the quran, the sun going down in a muddy pool and a people living there is proven by science.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 How dare you question the quran stating that you are sleeping in a ball or egg like bed. In the quran the earth is flat like a carpet or bed.... point. I advise you to read the quran then you will know and understand the truth and science it contains before the fake science started.
@@AffableCounselorNumber1 The quran does not talk about the place you walk or sleep but that the earth is flat. A carpet or bed. The quran is clear about it. You should not twist the words of the quran. You fun seeker, peeking on naked people shouldn't do that. Shame on you. If you stay a good muslim you know very well that in heaven you'll receive 72 ho's. So try to behave and keep your nakedness to yourself till heaven. So please don't twist the quran again.
This will angered fanatics, hope you guys are safe lol.
John kabba alimamy : Fear is against the truth. If anyone believes in God, he does not fear, because God, who is THE TRUTH is with him.
I watched this documentary many months ago
and I did a lot research with no bios but Just finding the truth
I can 100% say that mecca was in Petra
and Ibn Zubeyr moved it to southern part of Medina
Beside These evidence that prove Real Mecca is in Petra
1.The traveling Timing for Hussein Ibn Ali in the year 61 from Mecca in
Saudi Arabia Toward Karbala ( A place near Najaf in Iraq) does not fit at all, because the distance from mecca to Karbala is 1700 km and the journey took 20 days but camel normally can go 6 kph, So the Caravan could get Karbala in 34 days not 20 days
but the timing Perfectly fits the Petra to Karbala.
2.And based upon the early Islamic Books such as following sources Hira Cave, Taeef, Kaaba, Safa and marva mountain doesn't fit with those are existing in mecca but those perfectly fit with Petra :
اخبار المکه - صحیح بخار - الطبری - سیره ابن هشام
3. From 2600 BC up to 100 After-Christ there were no civilization living in Saudi Arabia and that is a big conflict with mecca history
Source: ruclips.net/video/ymI5Uv5cGU4/видео.html
4. Why should Prophet Mohammed PBH should prepare to war with Romans in the year 9 AH (Tabuk war - تبوک) or else mecca was in romans territory and is that a coincidence that romans lost Jordan territory control exactly in that year!
Source: ruclips.net/video/w5zYpWcz1-E/видео.html
5. Quranic and Qurashi Arabic is a Semitic language and it developed through Hismaic & Safaitic and originated/completed in Petra
Source: ruclips.net/video/jWTB59TrNqQ/видео.html&t
6.The the Qur'anic famous idols Al-Lat, Ma Nat Uzza are from Petra Not Saudi Arabia!
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Lat
7.The Taeef (الطائف) based upon the Islamic sources was a city surrounded by mountains that sometimes it has snow with grape and other fruits but The Taeef in Saudi Arabia is flat plateau with no mountain around
Source: AL-Tabari
8.The Hira Cave based upon Islamic sources was located in valley the entrance toward Kaaba and Mina it was big enough that qurash people The cave was so big that the Quraysh Arabs used to perform rituals there for a month every year and the Prophet Mohammad occasionally fed the poor people there and there were pagan carvings inside the cave, but the entrance of Hira cave in Saudi Arabia is toward the Israel and not parallel with Mina. but The Hira cave in Petra perfectly fits these criteria
Source: Ibn Hisham - Al tabari - al halbi
9. The Safa and Marva Mountain are two small rock in Saudi Arabia but Islamic source says the Marva was big that once there were houses on the mountain
Source: اخبار المکه - المنتقی،
10. Psalms and early Islamic sources specifically declare that mecca located in a valley but mecca in Saudi Arabia is not in a valley but the Kaaba in Petra is located in a valley
Source: Psalms 84:5-7 صحصح بخاری - اخبار المکه
11. Big Empires like Romans and Cyrus The Great never entered the land of Saudi Arabia why ? because there were no civilization that time
12. shib abi-talib based upon Islamic sources There was a narrow passage between the mountains that had one entrance
but shib abi-talib in Saudi Arabia it does not fit with this criteria on the other hand there a perfect match shib abi-talib in petra.
source: اخبار المکه - سیره النبی
13. From year 11 AH that Prophet Mohammed PBH died up to 215 AH, for 201 years after prophet there is no biography written for him and those authors were too far from Mecca and Media, Why sources are Too late and too far?
14. Ud & Thamud that based upon the Islamic sources were nearby mecca are found in Syria and Petra not in Saudi Arabia
15. based upon the Islamic sources Moses visited Mecca just after the mount Sinai but if you look at the rout that Moses passed through to get Israel you will see it is not possible or else mecca were in Petra
Just change your Qibla this does not affect your belief To Islam and Allah
Great info Jay and Al!
God Bless Dan Gibson
SCCS power and desalination plant in Yanbu is supplying water into that well through a hidden pipeline at the bottom of the well.
Great show guys
Like the length of these. Plus, Al slows Jay’s speech down a bit lol. I do know they have paved over Mecca to keep archeologists out.
They have paved over your eyes to keep the truth out .your prohpet was also blind to the truth
@@usausa2390 They surely are covering the truth in mecca to continue a lie.
@@truthonly2453 yes they are
I agree with Dan Gibson and think that Mohammed existed, but the reference was written out later and destroyed, and he was a leader of a small group.
I remember seeing a video that showed the time lapse of this place, they started with the year 0 lol.
Maybe this guy needs to do research on the past 80 years and how the saudi government (house of saud) changed the area.
Petra has always been a a place where caravans and travellers stayed and rested. Of course they will have wells. Most places in the deserts are based on water or near water.
There are several mosques pointing inbetween Petra and Mecca in Saudi Arabia built after the death of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif in 95 AH. For instance the Ba'albeck Mosque that was built in 122 AH points inbetween Petra and Mecca.
@Ushta Te They? Who are you referring to?
@@PeterHarremoes :Dan Gibson.. I have his book. There have been 4 Qiblah directions over time
(i) Petra
(ii) Halfway point if you draw a line between Petra & Mecca
(iii) African Mosques. Qibla direction pointing roughly in the direction of South Africa. If you draw a line between Petra & Mecca, the Qiblah is parallel to that.
(iv) Mecca
The Mosques do not lie. Dan Gibson does his measurements using GPS coordinates.
@@stephenhowe4107 I know that very well, but according to the classification in Gibson's book there are three mosques with between qiblas built during the life time of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif, but there are 6 mosques with between qiblas built after the death of al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif. Therefore al-Hajjaj ibn Yousif cannot have built all the mosques with qiblas between Petra and Mecca as claimed in the video.
I know that the Bible is Truth, that Jesus Christ is my God n Savior.I do Not need to worry of others....Anyways, thanks n much appreciated for the great research to undo the falsehoods.
Which version
Jesus Christ is not God...
He is God's first creation hence can't be God.
John 3:16
Colossians 1:13-15
The false teachings of Jesus being God was influenced by Roman Pagans.
Great job has been done Dan Gibson and also great contribution Dr Jay smith to humanity.. Iam Muslim by birth and was indoctrinated In the Hanfi school of thought... when i grew up studied the history and found that Sunni version of Islam is founded on the pillars of told and fabricated stories.
I am a devoted listener of Dr. Jay Smith and Dan Gibson,,, I enjoyed their work.. But I believe in Muhammad as a Prophet of Allah . Quran revealed on him...
Costa Sehagal Here is another channel that compares the Apostle Paul to your Prophet Mohammad, please listen and see for yourself who is really the servant of God among the two.
ruclips.net/video/MDZNWz8cV7A/видео.html
Dont get fooled by dan gibson , he is anti islam and only wants to bring muslims in discredit, he is trying to destroy islamic history , but it will never work lol
This is facinating.
I don't believe there's any devil who is afraid of meteors thrown at them, much less mere stones. It doesn't matter whether it's 49 or 72 or even 7000 stones!
When Muslims refuse to believe the proofs shown by scientific research and scholarship they remain blind holding to the teachings of their religion and continue to believe the lie their Quran, Mohammad, Jibreel and Allah is telling them.
there is only one thing that the devil is terrified of - the name of Jesus Christ and there is only one Person he is terrifed of - the Lord Jesus Christ who is Lord over all.
Reference made to verse 108 of surah 9, the wording " Ô prophet" in the English translation of the verse, is not present in the original. This changes the context and meaning of the verse. I think that the verse addresses to believers of all times.
IN ISLAMIC JURISPRUDENCE, LEAVING DOUBTFUL MATTERS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
Our Deen is a Deen of CERTAINTY. It is not based upon ASSUMPTIONS and DOUBTS. Hence, when there are things that make you doubt, Islam ORDERS us to LEAVE them because when we fall into doubtful matters, we fall into what is HARAM.
قَالَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه و سلم : "إنَّ الْحَلَالَ بَيِّنٌ، وَإِنَّ الْحَرَامَ بَيِّنٌ، وَبَيْنَهُمَا أُمُورٌ مُشْتَبِهَاتٌ لَا يَعْلَمُهُنَّ كَثِيرٌ مِنْ النَّاسِ، فَمَنْ اتَّقَى الشُّبُهَاتِ فَقْد اسْتَبْرَأَ لِدِينِهِ وَعِرْضِهِ، وَمَنْ وَقَعَ فِي الشُّبُهَاتِ وَقَعَ فِي الْحَرَامِ..."
The Messenger (ﷺ) said, “That which is Halal is clear and that which is Haram is clear, and between the two of them are doubtful matters about which many people do not know. So whoever distance himself from it, he clears himself in regard to his religion and his honor, but those who fall into it, he has fallen into a state of Haram.”
|Narrated by Al Bukhāri and Muslim|
To those Muslims who continue to support a place that has been declared as doubtful publicly with evidence- witnessed by their fellow muslims,
HAVE SOME GHEERAH FOR YOUR OWN COMMUNITY.
Don't act as if you are standing for justice and solidarity, while you stuff your face supporting people who play a mockery of the muslim community.
In Islamic jurisprudence, there is a grey area called MASHBOOH. If one does not know the halal or haram status of a particular idea, place, food, drink,
IT SHOULD NOT BE ENTERTAINED nor CONSUMED.
So, stay away from doubtful matters. A CLEAR proof is indeed better than a handful of fabricated stories.
Furthermore, an istishadi amaliyat should be conducted on these assholes who are sowing fitnah on whoever has the means to do so.
God bless you brothers👍🙏
Indian scholars have long since proved that the KABBA was originally the site of Hindu SHIVA temple where the priests in white performed the Hindu rites which r followed by Muslims.
That's bullshit hypothesis
Yes , mecca and kaaba were full of idols but after coming of Muhammad ,people understand that idol worship is fake and senseless and the idol worshipper on their own demolished idols and then kaaba made , It is the most holy place for muslim , I have researched about it prophet Muhammad SAW is existed
@@rezzan5r66 actually how Abrahamic religion perceive or define idols is very different from how pre arabic used to perceive so...
@@stefano1405no it’s not ! Go read 6000 yrs old Indian scriptures ! You will get all your answers !
how zam zam well was lost ?? Zam Zam well is un ending ... is one of the revelations of Allah ... In honour of Hazrat Ismael and Lady Hajraa...... wheere is the proof of Zam Zam in Petra
Who mentioned the Zumzum well until 708 CE and not afterwards? Can you give a reference? Is it al-Taberi?
Al Tabari, from Persia, has no aches any more since more than 1,000 years..
Zumzum was even before Christ . It was miracle given to Ishmael 's mother when left alone by Abraham in the desert beside the remains of old kaaba. This was a command from Almighty God
When water came out of the earth, she said: zemmi..zemmi....meanig stop flowing so quickly.
Even to copy their tradition from Petra to Mecca they have a hard time 😂🕋
there is someone who made a series against dan gibson's petra theory could you make an answer to that because it is about arguments from the arabic language his channel is called Detective O'Wil
Present Saudi makkah is not Muhammads Makkah, which was in present Jordan. The Saudi one is Abbaside Makkah, a fake one made by Abbasides.
Petra got abrogated (by the god who couldn't get things right the first time and could have his mind changed repeatedly by that final prophet). Islam is for the mindless.
🤣🤣🤣 So true. Abrogation is literally a total contradiction to the eternal unchanging word of God. Somehow, muslims who accept abrogation are utterly blind to the colossal hypocrisy. HOW??
Mayday....mayday...... Mecca, Becca, Petra, we have problems here..... 😂
Thanks for putting the truth out
Petra d left in let what history states it was destroyed by the Earthquake? That one I know isn't because of the customer? Or did Petra re -establish it and then destroy it for the purpose of relocating to the new Mecca?
the black stone was most likely taken from the altar where Isaac's sacrifice was burned... is my opinion correct....
The more interesting question would also be, were is zam zam in the desert of paran, can not be to far from bathsheba.?
Holes in Islamic Standrad Narrative, are growing bigger and bigger, they have become ditches now. The ground under Islam's feet is disappearing, even dishes are becoming too big.
Same for the fake Christian narrative too.. then 'aigh .
I am a bit confused! Why take the black stone to Mecca if it was not even on a map? God Bless you Jay and Al Fadi!!!
You can watch the details in dan Gibson's youtube channel. In short, there was a big civil war about the caliphate between the ummayads and ibn zubair (who ruled petra/Mekka). Ibn zubair had the black stone bring down to Mekka to keep control on it. You can also watch Gibson's movie "the sacred city" about this
@@hans471 Thank you and God Bless!!!
You are confused b.he mixes little historical information with a lot of fraud allegations.
Hmmmmm good question....you have all ANSWERS. BUT U HAVE to read QURAN by urself.
The black stone was in Macca years and years before the birth of the prophet Muhammad.
So inhospitable, they need to import water there!! Wow! What a monumental demonstration of the Crestor!
Thank you! Please keep exposing islam! GBU!
Calm down bellend
I would like to have the source for the inscription of the building of the haram. I am very interested in that
Don't build up your information on their allegations. They are fraud
@@popcornagain7034 No I build my information based on facts. No matter what you think of the Petra theory, we can safely say that islam leaves up a lot of room for speculation. And history does not really support the official narrative of the birth of islam.
@@miepmiepzoefzoef l don't know what your sources are . All I can say is, varify them
@@popcornagain7034 My source is the book that most muslims never read but only recite: the quran.
so did Abraham build the square also in mekeka or different direction ?
If you want to know about Abraham read the Old Testament. What Islam claims about Abraham is not true.
This's is only to defame Muslim's faith.
Islam is what the Divine creator Allah says in Quran. Islam is not what the earthly created humans say do or write.
From 610 to 632ce. Prophet Mohammed has offered namaz from all 360 degrees around the Kaba.
A Muslim who has understood Quran in his language can never go astray.
As per my understanding from the holy Quran, the Arabia Petraea (today's Petra) is referred to as "the City" ( In Arabic Al Madina). the place is described as having rock sculpted dwellings where people lived in them. Whereas Mecca (or wadi Becca) located in its vicinity, is an area ruled by the Roman empire where lived Jews and Christians.
The holy Quran talks about the battle with the Romans (Al Rum). Another battle was with the non believers at the sacred site where believing men and women also lived among its population along with the disbelievers. In the book, It is clearly mentioned that the prophet entered the holy site for the first time when he won the battle against the disbelievers. The holy site has been stated as being " the masjid".
It is important to mention that the holy Quran is nothing new but a reminder of older scripts sent to prophets David, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them). If you come across the holy bible (Mark 11: 11-17), it is not difficult to quickly understand the reaction of Jesus son of Mary (pbuh) when he entered the holy site with his disciples, and called the house of God to be a house of prayer for all nations !! There can only be one house to be the house of prayer for all nations and for all the believers that prophets tried to bring guidance for.
So if you wonder what relation is there between Petra and modern Mecca, you need to know who were the people living in Petra at that time , what was their faith and relation with the prophet. Yes , Dr. Jay is correct in his analysis and I agree with him on the building of a second site in 697 (AD). A fairly good clarification is provided in chapter 9 verses 107-110 of the holy book on that particular issue. Beware that these verses prophecized the future at the time they were revealed way before the construction of the new building. "Ô prophet" was added into the English translation of verse 108, which should not be there if you had to follow the Arabic version alone! This drastically alters the context (meaning) and understanding of this crucial event.
Can you please put up an image with key dates and names on ,Its hard to follow unless your taking notes
Aparently there are rituals to the god Shiva in India which include moving in circles and throwing the stones. This is a duplication of pagan rituals which may have originated in Babylon.
Moving in Circles yes i can agree but there is no throwing of stones in hinduism. Hindus circle clockwise while muslims circle anti clock wise.
Kiran Raj I stand corrected on the throwing of stones, thanks. I must however mention that I do not see the many similarities between these ancient polytheistic religious practices in other parts of the world and the middle east as coincidental. A great diaspora moved out of ancient Babylon region 2100 BCE and influenced many other religions. The idea of the underworld for example gave.rise to the teaching of the immortality of the soul in both western and eastern cultures.
@@araunapalm lol im born hindu i know my culture better than you. Shiva is a hindu god but if you say other pagan practices then it might be there but u didn't mention in which pagan religion it was practiced. Muhammed had always copy pasted from one religion to other.
@@tumbakiran “copy paste”... Yes, they said mohamad/allah perfected it those religion into one religion, and it is called...islam 😂
@@donovan8747 haha yeah as if god makes mistakes again n again like human also he has human emotions of jealousy and he created foreskin then was like shit that was my mistake It’s ok now the human design is done let them cut it themselves haha
They mock us for three Gods, albeit to their own ignorance of what we believe, yet they accept three "devils" to which they throw stones.
Petra is Battra exited before Abraham. The city originally existed with cultivation and rised animals than the people of the city started abandoning their way if life and started caving the rock to make houses and this action was known as Battra means they became pride and arrogant. God than sent prophet Saleh to warn the people and to believe in one God but they asked him to come with the sign than God send them the camel but strung it and God blast them dead and allowed the ruins to remain as a sign and warning. So Macca is Macca and Battra is Battra . Quran for more details.
Mr Said. Allah has reserved a place for both of them in Jahannam
-Psalms:84:5 “Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.”6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
-Genesis:47:9 “And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.”
İ believe the pharaoh asked Jacob about how old was he and Jacob replied this because of the difficulties of his life rather than am actual pilgrimage.
@@cosmokaulitz22 My friend they can twist the word as they want!
Let see if you are a truth seeker or you only want to score!
What is God's (the father) name in the New Testament?
@@hoodhud390 Yāhwēh... However, it's a common custom among Jews to avoid the usage of the Saint name so either they replace it with Adonai, Elohim or HaShem (The Name).
@@cosmokaulitz22 Hi again
-Remember my question from the New Testament..
-Now can you show me the verse where it says (YHWH) please?
@@cosmokaulitz22 John 20:21 Peace be unto you
YHWH doesn't exist in the New Testament and for Hashem you are almost right since Arabic and Aramaic are Semitic languages..
In the New Testament there is a verse in which Jesus himself tells you the name of God:
-Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Elah= God
Elahi= my God
El Elah= The God
Allah doesn't sound like Yhwh does it?
Thanks amazing
can you say zam zam is not dried yet and explain with proof
This is incredible!
During Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) times there was treaty happened between kuffar of Makkah and Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) in place called Hudebiyah.. That place is between Madinah and Makkah... And Prophet (Peace be Up On Him) and his Companions were travelling for Umrah from Madinah to Makkah....
So if Makkah is Patra as per Dan... Then there should be place called Hudebiyah between Madinah and Patra..
Can anyone knows about that place? Who is considering the Patra as Makkah..
Today Mecca is "makkah al-makramah" meaning "Mecca the honoured/sacred" مكة = Mecca might have the origin in the arabic word mccann مكان = Place or side. That would make Mecca literally into "The honoured place" with might refer to the madjid al Haram. The "confusion" where Mecca was might based on the fact that the name refered just to "place of..." like in the America you hunderds of places included the word "Point of..." in it. Maybe Jerusalem, Petra and later todays Mecca were all once a Makkah = the holy place.
If the majdid al Haram was constucted in 697 that could be the starting point of the new Mecca, the Makkah of today.
I like some things in Quran but i dont understand general excitment i read it and i dont see any value about it, tons of text without any story in order
When can I build a church in Mecca?
This ought to be broadcasted in Arabic and all of the languages where the poor people live, that have been duped by islam.
The devil apparently also is a three-unity?
All pagan worships from Ancient Mesopotamia which is Babylon where paganism originated after the flood, from Nimrod the son of Cush a descendant of Hem the son of Noah, they worshipped Nimrod as “the father god” and Semiramis as “the mother god” and Tammuz as “the son god”. It’s the same pattern for all pagan worship, all their gods have a feminine or mother god, 4rm Babylon to Egypt to Greece to Rome to Nordic to Hindu and even the Roman Catholic, they all are Satan worshippers in different names....We are most fortunate to be on the Side of the True God Yahweh through Christ Jesus our Lord🙏
@@meemiegarus4426 It is sad that the Roman Catholics do pray to idols and images, venerate Mother Mary, have ordained priests whose prayers can change bread and wine to become real flesh and blood of the Lord, enforce celibacy and confession, pray for souls in purgatory, baptize infants with water, use holy water to exorcise demons, offer repeatedly our Lord in their masses, believe their Pope who is infallible when speaking Ex Cathedra, canonize members as saints and so on and so forth.
Great research ! But really, this stuff is not supposed to be brought up in public.
O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).
"Muhammad himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)
"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you...[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad's reaction to hostile questioners.
Like Yasir Qadhi?
@@sphagbog Yesss. Qadhi did a deep dive into islamic sources and he said it's not wise to talk about in public! 🌾 Perhaps his concern is the peacefuls becoming more peaceful, or leaving the cult that is his career.
Almost like there’s holes in the narrative 😏😏😏
why hide the truth ?
What is confusing is that who then created Islam? Where did the Quran come from?
From the king Abdu Malik
That's the problem if you pretend to know in which you don't know, read Qur'an and other Islamic literature so you will understand what is Islam before you judge anything try to educate yourself with the issue you are engaged so you will not get lost, knowledge is very important for normal human being
For answers, go to Sneaker's corner. He and his team is busy answering your question.
I juat wonder where the kabaa and masjid is located in petra
You can watch the videos in dan Gibson's youtube channel with the details. In Particular he identified the ruins of the kaaba building in petra. The masjid al haram is basically a large part of the city and he identified the border stones. He also identified the nymphaeum in Petra with zamzam
I request you to convert this conversation in Indian language. People' are getting crazy
God bless you all!
That well in MACA took some construction as it had to be deep to find any water .Ancient weel lsin Arabia were usually shallow as water was near the surface . you would need a lot of men of build the well in MECA ,so t was not a ancient well.
Could also the totally destructive earthquake in Petra (heard 713 suggested but not sure where this information comes from), which made Petra unlivable, also have done for Petra as a holy site, hence all the qiblas needing to moved.
As in people of those times would certainly regard an earthquake as a judgement of God. We may see it as more likely due to proximity to a geological fault that runs right up from the Rift valley in Africa, right up along the Dead Sea. So if there was a holy prophet or teacher supposed to be there, it would discredit him if he was there. The earthquake would seem like God saying, "your religion is fake." Hence a useful relocation of the story to quieter zones of deepest Arabia, might be a good plan for the caliphs, if they were using the religion as the way of uniting Arabs and having a great sense of religious vindication of their acquisition of power (a "manifest destiny").
Of course political rivalries and ascendancy of the Eastern Arabs (formerly Lakhmids. vassals of Iranian Sassanids) over Western Arabs (erstwhile Ghassanids perhaps, vassals of the Byzantines) may also have motivated a move of the narrative, to remove the Nabataean Arab influence, and consolidate the hold of the Abbasids.
There are other people who may have inspired the picture of Mohammed that got into the texts of the Abbasids. There is Iyas Ibn Qabisa of Hira, for instance.
Jay is running over the material rather quickly, so it can feel that a lot of the nuts and bolts of the argument are missing, as in for instance, it would be useful to say where the narrative of Zubayr came from, when he took the black stone from Petra, it is alleged, down into the deserts of Hijaz as a refuge from Muyiwa, and it later being perhaps installed into a replacement holy site, at Mecca.
New Jay wardrobe! I like the entering the winter of the soul look. Hum, not Roy O or Johnny C but it just needs your Speakers Corner shades. Oh, and the info to date between Dan and Mel the standard narrative is being replanted in it's native habitat. Just for you Jay, the whole story is fabulous, all the pieces fit the narrative better than the botched job they did later, worse than watching bangers being made without proper supervision by grade schoolers (no offense to kids). They can't even get the measurements of the box right.
There are many mistakes in Gibson thinking and for you to come and support his mistakes ( Petra , and Qibla and more ) is seriously questionable 🤨.
Muslims should continue with rituals in Mecca, even if they originated in Petra. It is impossible today to do it in Petra, but you can go there as tourist. Muhammad as is in Bible as " Paraclete" from greek word that is the same as Ahmed in Qur'an from Isaa as or Jesus.
Zam ZAm is a miracle well .... Kaaba is also a burial Place of Hazrat Ismael and Lady Hajraa (Prophet Ismael's Mother).
Bila Mehdi The graves of Ishmael and Hagar would be locatable under the semi circular enclosure outside the Kaaba. A ground survey at Petra and at Mecca would establish if this tradition is consistent with the geographical shift by Zubair.
There was no geographical shift by Zubair because ZamZam well is in Mecca and not Petra... who ever is spreading fakenews should come with some proof... 1500 mosque direction was set by approximation rather than GPS ...
@@smbmrizvi Still a ground survey would stop the rumours
Ishmael, son of Hagar, a prophet? Really, what made you say that?
Show us their rest
Mecca: Islamic Disneyland
Disneyland IS your mecca, and trump your prophet
And money, power your god
@@yazeetebrahim8164: My God said the love of money is the root all evil and to love your neighbor as your self! Allah says kill says to kill the apostate and Muhammad was a raider!
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Please tell us whether there is zam zam well in petra
There is water in Petra. And vegetation. And Olive trees can grow there
@Koli Zabeen okay thanks man maybe,I can get,some healing waters as well
Why I am a Muslim.
In my soul I always knew that God is ONE who begets not nor was he begotten and there is none like him to him. I told myself that if i find any Prophet or Holy Book that even said once that “God is ONE who who has no parents and no children and there is nothing in the universe like him” then I would believe in that Prophet and that Holy Book. I found ISLAM. Now even if somebody thought they could convince me that every iota of Islam is false, I would never be able to worship a polytheistic Trinity god. I worship the Lord of Abraham who begets not nor was he be gotten and there is none like onto him. - Cynthia Myers
Is there any historical evidence which supports that kaaba was transferred from Petra to Makka? Why did the Umayd followers later not deny the shift of Kaaba at Makka?
I think it was destroyed in Becca in a siege/battle?
@@UtubeAW Baitullah was in Bacca, which was the qibla of prophet Ibrahim. Kaaba is in Macca and it is the qibla of prophet Muhammad and his followers. Prophet Muhammad's mission was to transform Kaaba from polytheistic to monotheistic form.
@@earnesteffort8115 my understanding is that anciently Petra was known as Becca, and that was the original location of the Kaaba w/the black stone
So if the most precious Thing on Earth was a black stone, many may want to steal it. But if one would actually do so, one may want to flea and hide it from others. And what better place to go but where ot is impossible to survive, yet where no civilization can settle...
wow
Petra in that time is under roman rule, and roman forbid polytheist, so its impossible if petra is mecca which described have alot of pagan statues and temples
Well , the stories say that Muhammad himself put the black stone bk to its original place after Kaaba 🕋 was realized after a flood , so black stone was there in Kaaba 🕋.
So they say .
If you are assuming that there was no Mecca before the Prophet message, then you are suggesting that all the poetry of Arabs before Islam was also made up? Like the Arabs not only they invaded half of the world in short period of time, but they also manage to do mega Hollywood's to create a Quran, Sira, Hadith and classic Arabic poetry and everyone across this whole vast region agree to this re-writing of history and this history is made up just for the sake of changing from Petra to Mecca!
Just pay attention to the fact that Arabs across history after Islam, they never settled on one ruling empire, so if it was an agenda put together, which is probably the biggest hidden agenda in human history, other countering Arab or Muslim entities would have fought back or at least write about this disaster as per Dan Gibson.
that means that they are going to shift mecca .
do you have any proof saying nobody yet did it?
That is why the Centre of Christianity is in Rome
A geologist says that there are no black rocks in. Middle East. Where is the dirt source of the black rocks? China?
in tanach , ishmael went to live in deasert of "paran" and married an eyptian women(picked by hagar?), after the stuff that happened after hagar had left avraham then had the angel thing happen ( somewhere in the desert of beersheva , and somehow ended up in petra "women with kid,no map", i would say, lol, according to midrashim hagar was a daughter of pharoh, mabye she was trying to go home to eygpt? if so, women with no map. did not pack enough .... ) . i want to say my shnekel.(two cents)... what if the paran deseret is petra.... and some of this muslim "mecca " stuff is copying what happened with hagar and ismael? try shaving all the "etxras " off that were added in later? not any rabbinic athorty just had this idea.... only writing after this sounds normal......
Great discoveries! What is hidden will be revealed in end tmes!
The Quran does not contain Bible stories although the Quran and the Bible may share similarities in a few of the stories. The stories in the Quran are the stories of the many sects of the Jewish and Christian tribes in 7th Century Arabia. Among the Jewish sects were those who worshipped Ezra as the son of God. The Christian sects included Trinitarians, Gnostics, Collyridians and others. The traditions of these Christian and Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula diverged from those traditions practiced by the Jews and Christians residing in Palestine, Syria and Babylonia. It was from these latter northern traditions that the Biblical writers drew for their narratives in Biblical texts. There are commonalities, to be sure as the name of the Biblical deity, Aloah which parallels the Arabic name Allah and appears in more than 50 Biblical verses as Deu 32:15, Deu 32:17, 2 Chr 32:15, Neh 9:17, Job 3:4, Job 3:23, Job 4:9, Job 4:17, Job 5:17, Job 6:4, Job 6:8, Job 6:9, Job 9:13, Job 10:2, Job 11:5, Job 11:6, Job 11:7, Job 12:4, Job 12:6, Job 15:8, Job 16:20, Job 16:21, Job 19:6, Job 19:21, Job 19:26, Job 21:9, Job 21:19, Job 22:12, Job 22:26, Job 24:12, Job 27:3, Job 27:8, Job 27:10, Job 29:2, Job 29:4, Job 31:2, Job 31:6, Job 33:12, Job 33:26, Job 35:10, Job 37:15, Job 37:22, Job 39:17, Job 40:2, Psa 18:31, Psa 50:22, Psa 114:7, Psa 139:19, Prov 30:5, Isa 44:8, Dan 11:37, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:38, Dan 11:39, Hab 1:11, Hab 3:3. The stories regarding Jesus and Mary parallel Biblical stories in many aspects but deviate in many others. The same can be said about the stories regarding Moses, Joseph and others. The differences between the Biblical narratives and those in the Quran are reflective of the fluidity of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. So, it is academically helpful if one compares the origins of the stories in both the Bible and Quran as they reflect the beliefs of Judaism and Christianity in the 7th Century. Muslims hold that the stories in the Quran were revealed to Mohammed to demonstrate to these Arabian Christian and Jewish tribes that he was a true prophet as he could recite their traditions in the most eloquent language and in the most accurate manner. Mohammed knew nothing of these stories and many of the verses in the Quran are answers to inquiries from these Christian and Jewish tribes whose beliefs varied widely from modern Western Christianity. So, a good advice would be to research the languages of both of these texts as well their historical and cultural contexts. Otherwise, debates and discussion become contentious and uninformative.
How does ibn Zubur take the black rock 600 miles south?
May be on a horse or on a camel
🧒👉Zam Zam well there is no water 💦 really, muslims have to pump into Zam Zam well new water. From other places. But many muslims Honor that water . And why allah had that women run through 2 mountain 7 times. Then gave her water 😆,lol the New T-sunami that is coming is that the (real) Kaaba is in Petra, not in mecca🌊🏊🕳️ holes in the Islamic Narrative.
God bless and sir
Why are muslim ads put here? What does that mean? We already know who your god is and where he is from.