As Martin Brundle briefly mentioned in the post race show, F1 needs professional stewards. Having different stewards every race is why there is so much inconsistency between decisions.
Eh maybe, expect that makes it easier for stewards to remember and potentially develop grudges against particular drivers or teams who might not agree with their decisions. That’s why most of the sports world rotates referees.
@@hungryutkarshman was lapped by his teammate who got a 20 second penalty, and had the balls to make a joke about the Lawson vs Colapinto fight on the radio with his engineer. I love Checo, but that was way too much my guy..
@@066kshitizvsingh4 they can't talk about wanting to see wheel to wheel racing and ignore the fact that Lec can't under any circumstances seem to race anyone. He always chokes. Max is in an inferior car and still fights. Just unacceptable.
Lando lowkey looked at Austin, said "Aight, let's see who's first at the apex now" and sent it perfectly outside, using Max's own understanding of the rules against him.
I have a feeling he’s going to end up doing what Lewis did to Max in the British Grand Prix a few years back. Late break on the inside and tap Maxes rear tire with your front tire at the apex. I’m a Max fan but when he lets the pressure get to him he’s way too reckless.
@@CotyWhite-jm2ot or may be he will do what max did to Lewis in monza. And cherry on top, walk away without even looking after you put a car on someone’s head.
And then using a football field worth of run off to make it.. but T4 could have been no further action... because Lando got the position.. T8.. yeah that was just a revenge action😂 and fully deserved the penalty.
The reason why they have different stewards every race is to reduce the risk of corruption and bias towards drivers. It's not that they can't afford to pay.
@@antonkirilenko3116 That only works if u have a hard set of rules for the sport and not some vague guidelines. Also in F1 u dont really get wheel to wheel racing at every track either way, and when we rarely get such action, the ever changing stewards with their ever changing understanding of the guidelines means that its basically not a sport.
@@MrTobytat2So are the WCs Senna, Prost, Piquet, Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton (among others). Nice guys finished last, unless you're Jenson Button.
8:55 If you read the stewards decision in Austin, Lando received a 10 second penalty that was reduced to 5 seconds because of the mitigating factor of Max forcing him wide.
I thought of Matt at the time too! I was sure he's was on his seat edge! And they didn't mention it here?!?! I jumped out of my seat (as I have a screen dedicated to Norris' dashcam), I thought he'd hit the wall, but it was just dust!
And he was ready for it. Even said it on twitch that he welcomes everyone who to heck in on him but it's L for them and W for Matt, Charles didn't crash 😛
Hamilton has been dirty before in a title battle and Russell has been involved in aviodable collisions too. If these two were involved in a title fight, it would be very similar to Max, Senna, Schumacher etc
@@josephtaylor7151 When nothing was on the line. Expecting drivers to be "fair" when racing for a title is as crazy as not expecting a striker to fall over a defender if he thinks he can win a penalty in a World Cup final.
@@josephtaylor7151 so your blaming Lando for the past 2 weeks? You probably blamed Hamilton in 2021 for being break checked on a straight or when max decided to park his car on the top of his. He’s quick but so dangerous
0:20 That's because there's nothing wrong the track layout itself. The problem in Mexico is that you always run into cooling issues in the thin air and usually need to drop back and leave a gap to the car in front if you don't get the move done within 2 or 3 laps. But yesterday thanks to a chilly 20°C outside temperature, this seemed to be less of an issue, and the racing immediately improved.
The second incident between Lando and Max is the perfect case for a drive through penalty. You shove someone off the track and now you're clearly hindering the other person's race? OK, you're gonna be made to get out of their way one way or another.
@@Uno.NumeroMexico turn 8 and Austin weren’t even close to comparable. Max’s driving in turn 8 was intentional to shove Lando off the road. Not saying the T4 incident and Austin weren’t similar bc they were the same so that should either both be 5 or both be 10. But Mexico turn 8 should be more severe imo
@@Bananananananannananananna If everyone DNFs and Sainz wins everything with fastest laps he'd get level with Max but will not win the title because he'd be one win short.
As for Lawson and Perez, that was refreshing. Pretty sure Luam knew Perez was sh*t talking him the whole race. Perez being in that Red Bull is honestly why Lawson has been out of a car since last season. The RB was decently quick and Perez was out there driving in a very entitled manner.
I don't want to defend the season Perez has delivered, but he had a damaged sidepod in Mexico. Still, I would have liked them to replace Checho with Ricciardo at the beginning of the season. And maybe they should think about replacing Tsunoda as well. He is losing his head having a teammate he has to actually compete against.
@@Mortimer992Where do you see Yuki losing his head? Yuki had a good weekend last week outside of the race and this week he made a mistake at T12 where many other drivers also went off and in the race it wasn’t his fault as Albon got squeezed by Gasly which made Albon clip Yuki, Even James Vowles said it wasn’t Yuki’s fault.
Perez is just embarrassing to watch these days. Sidepot damage or not. The fact that Ric didn't get his seat in the summer and Lawson was put in the VCaRB already then ruined any chance of RB taking the constructors.
The only two reasons not to swap perez now is to: - Not get in Max's way. - Perez can collect data in FP, quali, etc and his feedback for the car. A new driver with no idea of how the car handles would not provide useful information
Just make sure to crash him harder. If Max wants to act like a wall, let him feel one. Once he has broken bones, and not able to drive he will learn his lesson. What we saw, was disgusting , and the fact that RB even used the word "Whining" instead of calling him off, shows that team Mentality
IMO the stewards were in fact sending a message. "We figured out your strategy Max, and if you don't behave, we'll change the rule..." You are both right on point.
I don’t think that’s their job tho. Unlike Austin, he wasn’t ahead at the apex in turn 4, should’ve gotten a 5 second. Turn 8 I’m okay with the 10 second. But max strategy is still valid and legal in current regulations, so there was no “sending a message“.
@@bradweinberger6907Judging and sending a message go hand in hand. They are tightening up and letting him know that they'll be on his ass for the rest of the season. If they had been doing this from the start, his lead would be much less.
Wasn’t dumb at all. Dangerous yes. He knew perfectly he was gonna get a penalty but was making sure to slow lando down enough so he wouldn’t win. He said it himself « without penalties I’m finishing 4th anyway but Norris would ve won ». Basically saying that way he only lost 10 points (18-8)instead of 13 (25-12)
@@Loreurkachampionship wise yes, but dirty driving by definition is stupid, and he got a penalty for it one week after all that "he's so smart" talk lol. 20 seconds is stupid however you look at it.
@@VjRj84Lol most "world" champions has their dirty driving. Legendary M. schumacher literally has few near attempted murder driving tactics😂. Max is just pushing the limits.
@@gudhaxer41343 Thats completely false and utter bullshit, i hope you realize that. Schumacher got disqualified for what he did in 97 so... is that what you want for max then? ok hahahah gtfoh
@@gudhaxer41343 "A few people have survived driving blackout drunk, so it's perfectly safe to do it". Just because others have done something doesn't make it ok lol
Michael masi messed it up. By not penalizing max in brazil 2021. it’s the same move. Thankfully they’re starting to penalize that crazy person more often
@H.W.E and this ladies and gentlemen is called being dutch. Max can do no wrong in your eyes. His win at all cost mentality will hurt someone 8f not treated.
@@benjaminsimmonite653 Bro when Max was dominating i hated him, i know when he goes over the limit (like turn 8 yesterday was maybe a bit too much) But Lando won't become a champ if he keeps crying like a baby over the radio, if you want to beat Max, you need to get past him, and you know he is very tough to beat
British media didnt whine at 2021 silverstone. They didnt talk about how nobody overtakes at that corner. They didnt whine about who was ahead of the apex. They called it racing incident😂 hilarious disgusting british sport
@@roy-yalI'm not British and I'm no Hamilton fanboy, happy if a bunch of different drivers win. But Max is a total douchebag, a reckless arrogant driver that shows his true colours anytime things don't go exactly how he wants to. Yesterday was another clear example, if Lando didn't have his wits about him, he'd have been in the wall at turn 8. There's no excuse for Max's behaviour.
I think Matt forgets at the start of this year the FIA said penalties are going up. Biggest example is magnussen in saudi getting two 10s for forcing another driver off and causing a collision. I think its fine because such a heft penalty dissuades doing something that pushes the rules. The only reason Max is the focal point is because he pushes the rules to the limit so whenever he steps over a tiny bit he gets called out. Looking at the precedence of saudi this year i think a 10s is actually consistent with what they earlier in the year
@@SchweinerSchinkler the thing is that he was ahead at the apex just cuz he didn't break he didnt make the corner. i see that as the whole problem with this "defence"
I'm betting all my chips that Lando and Max will come together in one of the next races. Their battle has reached the point of no return and it's only a matter of time before it happens.
Except both DNFing would benefit Max far more than Lando. Which makes Max being interested in a collision, while Lando is interested in finishing the race by any means necessary. Max knows this. However, causing a collision deliberately is also not the way to go, because there's a precedent of FIA disqualifying a driver from the championship altogether for deliberately crashing with your closest rival.
The only reason that hasn't already happened is Norris is pulling Jedi reflex tricks to manage to avoid them all... Max has been giving it a darn good try.
They won't come together max will crash into Norris cause that's his plan it's either you wield for max or you crash with him no matter what There are numerous example of this in 2021 against Hamilton it's amazing he has been able to get away with this for so long
@@foldionepapyrus3441this! This is why Lando doesn't go for risky overtake divebombs and people complain he's too nice. He knows max will crash into him and that will benefit max. So he has to be careful
I don't think the championship is on. Max is driving so that the championship won't be on. He hasn't DNF and the car hasn't failed in a long time. Even with a 20 second penalty he still ended 6th. The Red Bull is bad but it's still better then half the field, enough to keep him ahead of Norris. The reason he drives, lets say it, so recklessly is because he knows others will move out of the way. Until he gets penalties or people stop moving out of the way he will keep taking those moves. He will win the championship.
Even with the 20 second penalty he cost Lando the win, VER P4 and NOR P1 is 13 points, VER P6 and NOR P2 is 10 points. He actually benefits from the situation. He's not going to stop.
That's why I think Lando needs Max to get in a fight with Russell because he has shown that out of the drivers in Formula A he is willing to fight Max to the point of a collision.
Yes you want to see racing - but look at Senna and Prost and their shenanigans at crucial times of championships. Look how ruthless Schumacher was closing doors, blocking, taking and attempting to take people out Yet we still hold all of them on a pedestal as the greatest drivers - It’s always happened and always will… 🤷♂️
British agitation propaganda always gets a head’s start on account of language. Sky’s infantile rambling will be properly contextualized over the next weeks and it’ll settle just fine outside of GB. Mind that Hamilton Max season, where in GB nobody knows how Mercedes cannon-balled Max twice in the last few races to get Hamilton near Max, and hold up their rigid rule interpretation as the holy grail of all enlightened motorsport fans- then you leave GB and 90% of people laugh at this storyline. Patience.
Just cuz people in the past did it doesen't mean it's correct now, nor was it correct before. I don't hate max or support anyone really. But as a neutral that was absolutely shocking and ridiculous. And you can't say Max deserves no hate 🤷♂
THANK YOU!!! I cannot stand hearing them complain about Max knowing how they view Senna and Schumacher. This is just the quality of one of the greats, we're watching competition here!
To be fair he had damage. But he needs to move on. I know this RB is crap at the moment but he was doing this kind of stuff last year with the RB19. I can’t believe he still has a seat.
@@TheRealSonicBeats I agree with you, but with the DT it has to be served in the next 3 laps, so the team can't find the best spot to take the penalty and avoid getting stuck behind traffic
Far too lenient. There used to be 10-second stop and go penalties for practically every little thing. And the great thing was that you weren't allowed to make the pit stop in one. You had to serve the penalty and then do another lap. Then you were allowed to make your stop. Those were proper penalties....
Don't praise the move from Carlos on Max too much. Max doesn't care about Carlos, he only cares about Lando right now. So he wasn't defending since he didn't care. If he was concerned, he would've been deep on the inside. I mean, it's Max.
You're right. Brilliant drive. He was the whole weekend on top. Deserved victory. If I was Toto I would have signed him as soon as Lewis made the announcement that he would go to Ferrari. That would have given Kimi some time to get used to racing in a F1 car.
From how the championship is unfolding, it's more like 2009, where Button dominated the first like third of the season, then the competition brought the upgrades and he hasn't won a race since, but still got the championship through consistency.
Fun fact - if George Russell didn’t get disqualified at Spa, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes would all have had a one-two at some point this season
I'm not even mad about the 20 second penalty, even as a Max fan. If this makes him rethink his approach and makes him start having cleaner wheel to wheel battles, it's a win in the grand scheme of things. It's not even like he doesn't know how to race cleanly wheel to wheel. He does and we have seen that in the past. Some perfect and recent examples being Bahrain and Jeddah 2022 with Charles, Bahrain 2021 and Brazil 2019 with Lewis. Quite a few races in 2020 as well with Lewis and Vaktteri. So he can race cleanly. It's just that he seems to lose his cool when the stakes are high. In all of these mentioned examples, the stakes were not that high.
I think it was a calculated move by Max. The pace advantage is enough that if he races cleanly, Norris drives off into the distance. Either they crash or he holds up Lando, both ways it's a win for Verstappen.
I don't even think this was losing his cool, Hungary was losing his cool. This was just a calculated "strategy" He lost less points overall to Norris with the penalties now (10 points) than he would have lost if he just let him go. Max would have finished p4 while Lando would have probably won (13 points)
@@michaeldecock3952 Exactly. He wants to crash with Lando while trying to make it seem like it is Lando’s fault. Notice how he did not do that with Sainz because then it’s only him crashing.
He’s not changing lol. He will keep doing this as long as it benefits him, without a single thought for sportsmanship or spectacle of the sport. He will always force rule changes to uphold the spirit of racing because he gives 0 cares for it. Not my personal preference, and also not for me to say whether this is right or wrong approach, but to think he’d change when it’s done nothing but benefit him is a little…. optimistic.
@enochho exactly, I don't think he gives af about the "spirit and sportsmanship of racing". He's here to win and will do so as far as the rules allow(and beyond)
I completely disagree with Matt getting the biggest flop point. Max managed to get back with the range of points that he needed to keep Lando from getting.
@@soundscape26 so that wasn't his race to win why act like he even could from the beginning? The Red Bull was at best the third fastest car. How would he have done better. And if the only argument is the penalties that he got, I would argue that that isn't enough for it to be a flop because he still kept his championship rival within his grasp.
Max deserved a penalty, but hey, everybody was crying how boring it was when he dominated. Now everybody is crying he is racing hard and exciting and isnt just rolling over to hand the championship to Norris. No matter what he does, people will cry
I mean he can’t beat the Haas cars. I was surprised they retained him at the end of last year. Even more surprised when they extended his contract. Would have liked to see them give Yuki a chance at the end of last year.
Can't help but think that max got 2x 10 because he did both infringements so close to each other and the stewards were really unimpressed with his driving. If he did them on different laps against different drivers I imagine the result is a 5 and a 10
@@lukew6725well he still beat him in the end didn’t he With 3 laps older tyres and wing damage doesn’t actually make that much of a difference as Lewis in Saudi 2021 showed
The 21' cars weren't as Aero dependant for lap time so kind of irrelevant. Stint 1 George with no damage pulls away from lewis, Stint 2 he drops into lewis with the damage so it kind of answers the question of did the damage matter.
You guys have said "what a season" (which is true) so much, in this video and previously, that I think I'm gonna need a 5 hours sum-up podcast at the end of it😍🙏🏻 It would be absolutely glorious
Idk why people are confused and surprised by max? The maths is obvious, the options are obvious. Idk how other drivers are not expecting him to do this because how else do you win? In the pace of that current Redbull car what else is max going to unless he just hands the championship over. M
I actually think Tommy should've gotten that biggest good surprise for Lando Lando could've won the race if Verstappen didn't divebomb into turn 8 and tbh he extended his championship lead and got 2nd which is a good result imo, whilst Verstappen got 6th
I thought the stewards after the COTA overtake said that Norris would have had a 10 second penalty without the way Verstappen forced Norris off the track. So they gave Norris a 5 second penalty.
Both situations are a joke, because all drivers are just trying to game the rules, "be first at the apex" or claim "he pushed me wide". Tracks are allowing cars to run wide, and come back on track ahead and stay there, bring back gravel, and in both cases the car on the outside would have conceded the corner before ending up in gravel.
Last week's penalty was phrased as something like: The penalty is 10s but in light of the cause of being off track was out of his control, we impose 5s. 10s is the standard penalty. Was 5s until this year when everybody complained that 5s is insufficient to de-motivate the perps.
But even last week and during kmags escapades before his race ban they all only ever got 5 seconds but would just constantly add an additional 5 anytime kmag went nuts
@@Uno.Numero Because these are two different incidents. Lando was given 5s only because while he wasn't ahead on the apex, going off the track was at least partially Max's fault. The crucial part was that Max himself went off the track. And even that 5s penalty is debatable here, because Max had no chance of making the corner. Here Lando not only was ahead on the apex but also would've made the corner it it wasn't for Verstappen's late lunge. 10 seconds is and should be the default penalty, Lando only got 5s in Austin because there were mitigating circumstances. No such thing here for Max. Also I think he should've gotten a drive through instead of 10s for that second lunge into turn 8, but that's another story.
Max's bullying ( hindering ) of Lando prevented Lando from keeping up with the Ferraris, with the ultimate results that Carlos won and Lando came second.
Net win for Max. He was on pace for a 4th place finish regardless, and Norris easily had pace for a win. 2nd and 6th is a 10 point gain. 1st and 4th is 13. If Charles hadn't bottled it today Max's driving today, as dirty as it was, probably would have won him the championship.
Colapinto hit Lawsons front wing because it was not clean and slightly out of control. But at least Lawson and Colapinto didn't call each other names like the old drivers.
@@Appletank8 I think you completely missed my point. The original comment was comparing what is about to happen with Sainz to what happened with Riddiardo in that Sainz is going from a top team to a less competitive team. Daniel was winning races at Red Bull when he left. He may not have been consistently faster than Max, but nor is Carlos consistently faster than Charles. And if you, as with the kiwi, are referring to 2022 at McLaren I suspect that has nothing to do with the original comment because nobody was saying that Daniel will be back in a top car when he was dropped by McLaren.
@@SchweinerSchinklerno one cares everyone knows max is one of the goats already how you gonna win a WDC in a much slower car?? Max is doing the right thing.
Using a corner's apex as a gauge is too late to judge who arrives first. Drivers figure out where they want their car to be coming our of the corner long before the apex and normally prior to corner entry. A driver knows where they want their car to be at a given speed going into a corner. If a driver were ahead at corner entry then they could be entitled to go for the outside edge of the turn. Make the target corner entry for the drivers to race towards. It's at least just a bit more sensible than using the apex, which is far too late.
No one wants to see that style of racing. Pushing someone off with no intention of making the corner is some online racing bs. Penalty points need to be given when it’s egregious like that.
@@Crazycatmanalonso wasnt ramming people off the road in 2012 though and nearly beat seb vettel in a inferior car the difference between a method to the madness and a madness to the method
I think yall should put at least like a picture or something when talking about a specific moment in the race, so the audience can visualize what yall mean
Silverstone 21 ist the best way to compare penalties. It's insane to think, that these situations here got the same penalty as Hamilton yeeting Max off into a wall at top speed. That's insane. Max deserved a penalty but... We need consistency in penalties so we can stop arguing over them every single time.
imo Max should get 15 sec maximum. 5 for T4 for pushing a driver off the track (like Russell got last week on Bottas) and the stewards deemed the T8 incident as overtaking off track and gaining an advantage, thus with that reasoning the 10 sec is fair, because that's the penalty for that offence. Max 100% deserved the penalties because he was reckless, but oh well
@@jonasblomme1252 agreed. But we really really need penalties to align somewhat. You cannot penalize an action mire because in your opinion a driver is usually more reckless than others. And that's what happened here imo.
Yea, if what max did in Mexico this week and Copse 21 are identical in punishment, idk why Max doesnt accidentally just cause a copse like “inchident” every race with norris now, the fia punishes the action not the result which is fine in concept but it leads to bickering like this cuz the fia seems to decide whether to punish for either the action or the result whenever they feel like it.
What I don't get about the first turn 4 incident is Lando got ahead from it snd stayed ahead. I don't get why a penalty is necessary when it's marginal from the drivers perspective with these rules on if he was allowed to run him off, and Lando got ahead anyway with no reprecussion. This set of stewards (that need to be the same stewards every race STILL) seemed to want to punish Max to make a statement. He then thought he was done wrong in turn 4, so I think he thought he was getting back at him in turn 8.
Everyone praised Schumacher for his competitive nature but can’t respect max for doing the same thing essentially? He knows his car isn’t the fastest therefore all he needed to do was prevent Lando from winning. He doesn’t give two shits who wins as long as it’s not Lando and that’s what he needs to do at this time. Agree with it or not, moral or not, he knows what he’s doing and he will end up with the wdc for it
In Germany there is a phrase called "Schummel Schumi", which is "cheating Schumi" translated into english. Quite many people remember the questionable things Schumacher did to win.
8:45 if I understood it right the 10 seconds penalty are given when you do something on purpose and last weekend Norris 5 sec penalty was given cuz it wasn't on purpose but it was avoiding action from Max!
How can Turn 4 be discussed for you. Lando was ahead at the apex and Max pushed him of. Clear 10 sec and in turn 8 he should get black flag or get a race Bann for the next race. You can't only drives into Lando and he only wants to crash into Lando, so it should be a harder pen
@@AaronThielen Lando wasn't ahead significantly enough that max has to yield. And mind you Lando is going off anyways. He gunned it and was never making turn 4.
No matter if it is for the good, the bad, the best or the worst, I must say Max is always entertainment. Next year Hamilton Norris Leclerc Verstappen Russel battle ......please
A 5 second penalty would have been utterly useless applied to Max. He has laughed out loud at 5 second penalties before and just driven away negating them in a handful of laps. 10 seconds costs spots. Max has since he joined Red Buill been very aware of the letter of the passing rules and has exploited them to the n th degree, all the while wiping his but with the intent of those rules.COTA was just the most recent example. Today he pushed it too far, twice and got busted for it. The rules don't say you can't just stop turning the wheel until the car next to you runs off track, but that is clearly what the rule was trying to prevent from happening. Max knows this, so when he defends he'll turn just enough to get himself around to corner leaving no room for other cars. Very much to the letter of the regs, buta piss poor way to drive that FINALLY went far enough for the stewards to call him to task for. It's dangerous and ugly to see on track. Max did it to Sainz, who smartly gave the spot back, but then Max tried it with Lando twice and screwed up, both times. And it's not even desperation on Max' part; it's just how he races because the FIA refused to adjust the wording of the regulations. As for the rest of the race, beautiful drive from Carlos. Almost perfect from Charles, and a sold recovery from Lando. But spare a thought for K-Mag who drove the wheels off that Haas and for once didn't tumble down the order after the pit stop. Good showings by the rookies, but Ocon and Zhou were such non-factors I'm surprised they were running at the end. But can we please just get the retirement announcement from Perez now? He is a bigger waste of a decent seat than anyone in the last 3 seasons.
Lewis was driving with a damaged floor because they wanted him to use the new spec, which is slower than the other car. It's obviously difficult to pass with the same car even with the damage wing george had.
For anyone wondering the difference between the 5 and 10 second penalties, in Austin the stewards noted mitigating factors, and so reduced the penalty, and in Mexico City did not, with the standard 10 second penalty awarded.
@@danielafonso11 But they used the pit stop to put soft tyres an make lawson try to take away the fastest lap from Lando. And anyway giving 2 penalty points to franco from this incident IS CRAZY max had the same penalty points for a way more agresive accident
@@danielafonso11 but anyways he had a really heavy penalty similar to Max. And even Lawson said in a interview that it wasn't franco's fault. FIA just likes to punish harder when your not from europe apparently
Funny thing is, that the second max-lando incident was theoretically exatcly the same as in cota. Max was attacking, was ahead at the apex, went off the track and pushed lando off as well. But beacuse of the type of the corner, it looked much much worse
This will never happen while Max is still there. Jos Verstappen has said he would move Max to another team before he lets Carlos be his teammate again. Jos absoloutely hates Carlos Sainz Sr, and the feeling is reportedly mutual. This is because Jos has created a toxic environment for every 2nd driver Max has ever been paired up with. It was largely for that reason that Daniel Riccardo left the team. Jos gets away with it because he is a former F1 driver, but when Sainz was at the team Jos found that he couldn't. Sainz Sr is a racing legend and World Champion and has huge respect in the F1 paddock. This is why Carlos Sainz wasn't even considered for Red Bull.
Max has always driven this way. It hadn't shown up in a while because he's had a car that was 30+ seconds faster for a long time. Now that the car is not as strong, the old Max makes a return.
id prefer good racing, i disagree with the 10 sec pen on the first one though. And while everyone likes to flame max, he‘s been sitting in a shit car for the last 6 months+ and somehow has to defend his point lead against a far superior mclaren. He‘s doing a damm good job of keeping his point loss at the absolute minimum.
Max Schumacher Matt, "Whatever happens at Red Bull doesn't work for _him/Checo."_ Since Max showed up whatever's been happening at Red Bull hasn't worked for anyone but Max. You can't tell me everyone of those 7(?) drivers sucked. The only person who gave Max a challenge was Danny Ric. But Horner et al made it clear Max was the golden child and Daniel was going to be the #2 driver as long as he was there. After he left, Horner went on DTS and pulled out a, rehearsed, cheap shot, saying Daniel was running away from a fight.
@@aberamagold7509 I think it was Horner who admitted that they took the car development into the wrong direction because they didn't listen to Perez and Max was just driving around problems. I think Max is just that good that he can drive effectively whatever car they're giving him. So they're giving him the fastest car that they can build and he just drives it, even though it might an actual ass to drive for everyone else.
Unless you want Max to hand Lando the championship and just wave him by what do you expect? His only job right now is to stop Lando winning races/finishing too far ahead when the cars pace difference is that much of course he’s going to be aggressive to finish on top it’s the only tool he’s really got left in his bag. It’s the same thing Senna and Schumacher did you can’t revere them and hate Verstappen
I completely agree with the max penalties. But why is no1 talking about Lando overtaking off the track at turn 4. They were side by side, he got pushed off. But came on the track in front of max. Should also have been 5 sec my opinion.
I'm still not 100% sure what happened at turn 8, but I had a sense that Lando was giving back the place. After turn 8 he was behind Max, so I think the stewards just checked the box 'gave back the place' and called it a day.
The rules state that gaining an advantage by leaving the track, the driver must give back the place. It doesn't say that the driver must give back ALL the places gained. Having passed Sainz on the grass, all Lando had to do was fall in behind him and he had followed the letter of the rules. Clever boy!
Max reminds me of Speedracer. He's lowkey a psycho😂He didn't even try to make the corner, he absolutely sent it with two results in mind, either Lando yields or we collide & he's actually admitted to this mindset in the past I believe it was against Hamilton. He took absolute liberties this weekend but at least he's consistent, I have to respect it🤣
As Martin Brundle briefly mentioned in the post race show, F1 needs professional stewards. Having different stewards every race is why there is so much inconsistency between decisions.
Kick out Herbert immediately.
@@MajieB also this
What inconsistency? The call has been correct for both the last two races.
@@MajieBThat 20 seconds to alonso was def personal
Eh maybe, expect that makes it easier for stewards to remember and potentially develop grudges against particular drivers or teams who might not agree with their decisions. That’s why most of the sports world rotates referees.
I feel lost without my deranged intro
Very much so !!
If you want to look at deranged stuff, look at Perez
Oh don’t worry I’m sure it’ll be back when Tommy isn’t sick
@@hungryutkarshman was lapped by his teammate who got a 20 second penalty, and had the balls to make a joke about the Lawson vs Colapinto fight on the radio with his engineer. I love Checo, but that was way too much my guy..
They never do it on the podcast
The fact that Charles almost binning it into the wall wasn’t even mentioned whatsoever is insane to me. Wild moment
Pick rider here won't allow it.. wait till he's cooked by Hamilton
tbf it didn't really have any bearing on the race.
Charles was losing the position anyways
@@disclaimer.imjokin Tbh the way Lewis has been performing against Russel the last few seasons its a 50% - 50% how he's gonna do
@@066kshitizvsingh4 they can't talk about wanting to see wheel to wheel racing and ignore the fact that Lec can't under any circumstances seem to race anyone. He always chokes. Max is in an inferior car and still fights. Just unacceptable.
@@066kshitizvsingh4 Except that it would have been a big impact on constructors, he saved them a lot of points by keeping it out of the wall.
Lando lowkey looked at Austin, said "Aight, let's see who's first at the apex now" and sent it perfectly outside, using Max's own understanding of the rules against him.
I have a feeling he’s going to end up doing what Lewis did to Max in the British Grand Prix a few years back. Late break on the inside and tap Maxes rear tire with your front tire at the apex. I’m a Max fan but when he lets the pressure get to him he’s way too reckless.
@@CotyWhite-jm2ot or may be he will do what max did to Lewis in monza. And cherry on top, walk away without even looking after you put a car on someone’s head.
And then using a football field worth of run off to make it.. but T4 could have been no further action... because Lando got the position.. T8.. yeah that was just a revenge action😂 and fully deserved the penalty.
More than that. He clearly spotted Sainz at apex ahead so knew Max would be compromised and he himself could stay further ahead. It worked.
@@CotyWhite-jm2otLewis didn't do anything to Max, Max turned into Lewis
Multi billion sport and they can’t afford to pay proper salaries for having a stewards team. It’s a joke
The reason why they have different stewards every race is to reduce the risk of corruption and bias towards drivers. It's not that they can't afford to pay.
@@antonkirilenko3116 That only works if u have a hard set of rules for the sport and not some vague guidelines. Also in F1 u dont really get wheel to wheel racing at every track either way, and when we rarely get such action, the ever changing stewards with their ever changing understanding of the guidelines means that its basically not a sport.
@@antonkirilenko3116then why aren’t the revolving stewards paid?
@@phoebesmith8154 Probably same reason why track marshals aren't paid.
@@antonkirilenko3116 cheap labor? But track Marshall’s aren’t making decisions that can alter the outcome of a race.
Max did give space with Sainz earlier. I think it's a different situation with Norris because he knows if they come together it's a net win for Max.
So basically the same as what Schumacher tried to do at Jerez in 97.
He also know Sainz is no threat to his WC and it pisses McKaren off due to the WCC title on the line.
@@kityhawk2000And same as Max in 2021. And that's why both Max and Michael are seen as dirty drivers. Don't forget Adelaide either.
@@MrTobytat2So are the WCs Senna, Prost, Piquet, Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve, Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton (among others). Nice guys finished last, unless you're Jenson Button.
@@MrTobytat2Most people think of Schumacher as the greatest of all time, dirty racer or not
8:55 If you read the stewards decision in Austin, Lando received a 10 second penalty that was reduced to 5 seconds because of the mitigating factor of Max forcing him wide.
Clicked faster than Checo’s fastest lap
That's not saying much. And before anyone jumps in with "his sidepod was damaged," he also sucks ass. Unequivocally.
so you're still clicking............
I think I did as well 😂
@@Good_Horsey its funnier cause he damaged his sidepod running another driver off track
@@dns-n8uhe literally had the damage cuz Liam ran into him
Went straight to the live to see Matts reaction when I saw Charle almost losing it in the wall 😂
I thought of Matt at the time too! I was sure he's was on his seat edge!
And they didn't mention it here?!?!
I jumped out of my seat (as I have a screen dedicated to Norris' dashcam), I thought he'd hit the wall, but it was just dust!
I was out during the race at a comedy show, but when watching a recording of the race, I thought of Matt's screams when Charles nearly went out...
@@BryTee go to their shorts he literally jumped out his seat😭
And he was ready for it. Even said it on twitch that he welcomes everyone who to heck in on him but it's L for them and W for Matt, Charles didn't crash 😛
You, me And about 4k other peeps as well
Max’s google history right now:
“What time second penalty is there for 🔫 shooting Lando’s tires at grid start”
Jail time, 25-50 years
10 sec penalty for Ocon.
@@lukew6725*Kevin magnussen
He will just do what his Dad does and start thumping people.
@@lukew6725this for sure.
The Mercedes pair showed the field how you can race hard and fair yesterday was a wonderful battle
Yeah that was cool no penalties or drama just racing
Hamilton has been dirty before in a title battle and Russell has been involved in aviodable collisions too. If these two were involved in a title fight, it would be very similar to Max, Senna, Schumacher etc
Charles and Max have consistently shown they can go wheel to wheel with out dive bombs or cheap tactics.
@@josephtaylor7151 When nothing was on the line. Expecting drivers to be "fair" when racing for a title is as crazy as not expecting a striker to fall over a defender if he thinks he can win a penalty in a World Cup final.
@@josephtaylor7151 so your blaming Lando for the past 2 weeks? You probably blamed Hamilton in 2021 for being break checked on a straight or when max decided to park his car on the top of his. He’s quick but so dangerous
0:20 That's because there's nothing wrong the track layout itself. The problem in Mexico is that you always run into cooling issues in the thin air and usually need to drop back and leave a gap to the car in front if you don't get the move done within 2 or 3 laps. But yesterday thanks to a chilly 20°C outside temperature, this seemed to be less of an issue, and the racing immediately improved.
The second incident between Lando and Max is the perfect case for a drive through penalty. You shove someone off the track and now you're clearly hindering the other person's race? OK, you're gonna be made to get out of their way one way or another.
Stewards forgot they exist.
Perez should’ve got a drive through for the start as well. 5s was a joke.
its way longer time than 10 seconds
and when Lando does it he should not be given more than 5 seconds as was the case in Austin right?
@@Uno.Numerothey’re completely situations??
@@Uno.NumeroMexico turn 8 and Austin weren’t even close to comparable. Max’s driving in turn 8 was intentional to shove Lando off the road. Not saying the T4 incident and Austin weren’t similar bc they were the same so that should either both be 5 or both be 10. But Mexico turn 8 should be more severe imo
I'm so glad that Sainz got the win.
It was disappointing to see only 1 Ferrari team member congratulate Carlos when he qualified P1
charles is the golden boy man as much as I find it sad for carlos it is what it is
@@sscssc908 Yeah, i don't like it, but i get it.
Carlos just need to drive for himself for the rest of the season.
I still can’t believe Ferrari is swapping Carlos for that has-been Hamilton. What an absolutely horrible decision.
@@LastGhost68 look at the Ferrari stock. Best decision they made in the last decade
It was not a mechanic, it was his personal trainer Pierluigi della Bonna. Mechanics don't run to the barriers after qualys like they do after races.
I think its possible Max didn’t care if Sainz passed him but no way was Lando going to pass
That's exactly it. Sainz is already mathematically out of championship contention, so Max doesn't care if he's ahead of him.
Its actually better for Max if Sainz wins and Lando dont. Then no matter how bad race Max has Lando wont take that many more points than him.
@@antonkirilenko3116is he? If everyone dnfs and sainz wins everything with FL then he is champion. Sounds reasonable to me 🤷
@@Bananananananannananananna If everyone DNFs and Sainz wins everything with fastest laps he'd get level with Max but will not win the title because he'd be one win short.
@@antonkirilenko3116 did u acc calculate it? Welp ig the sainz championship charge is over 😔😔
As for Lawson and Perez, that was refreshing. Pretty sure Luam knew Perez was sh*t talking him the whole race. Perez being in that Red Bull is honestly why Lawson has been out of a car since last season. The RB was decently quick and Perez was out there driving in a very entitled manner.
I don't want to defend the season Perez has delivered, but he had a damaged sidepod in Mexico.
Still, I would have liked them to replace Checho with Ricciardo at the beginning of the season.
And maybe they should think about replacing Tsunoda as well. He is losing his head having a teammate he has to actually compete against.
@@Mortimer992Where do you see Yuki losing his head? Yuki had a good weekend last week outside of the race and this week he made a mistake at T12 where many other drivers also went off and in the race it wasn’t his fault as Albon got squeezed by Gasly which made Albon clip Yuki, Even James Vowles said it wasn’t Yuki’s fault.
Perez is just embarrassing to watch these days. Sidepot damage or not.
The fact that Ric didn't get his seat in the summer and Lawson was put in the VCaRB already then ruined any chance of RB taking the constructors.
@@lassebasseish Why on earth do you clowns think Ricciardo deserved a Red Bull seat based on being battered by Tsunoda all season?
@@Mortimer992he had damaged sidepod from fight with Lawson, it’s embarrassing that he was fighting him at all
The only two reasons not to swap perez now is to:
- Not get in Max's way.
- Perez can collect data in FP, quali, etc and his feedback for the car. A new driver with no idea of how the car handles would not provide useful information
- The huge amount of sponsorship money that Checo brings whatever team he drives for.
You can always hire a 3rd party to do that for you.
For the 2021 season albon provided all the recommendations that made the RB so great.
@@dansegelov305I mean, Red Bull is one of THE biggest marketing companies in the world, they can easily eat the cost of dropping him.
@@dansegelov305the huge amount of money that Visa brought to RB wasn't enough to keep Ricciardo, who's arguably been less dreadful than Checo
@@ChibbyLibrariansAnimeEnc-vl9pxhow so you know that?
How can Lando drive harder against Max. You can't drive against Max if he is ahead in the championship. He will crash into you
"If I am not winning no one wins" philosophy which he justifies as "racing hard"
It’s called the Schumacher defense for a reason 😂
@@ok2853 Who copied it from Senna.
Just make sure to crash him harder.
If Max wants to act like a wall, let him feel one.
Once he has broken bones, and not able to drive he will learn his lesson.
What we saw, was disgusting , and the fact that RB even used the word "Whining" instead of calling him off, shows that team Mentality
Key notion being: ahead in the chapionship despite getting harsher penalties than anyone else and being in a slower car than Lando.
Someone put Lewis's face on thanos and make the meme "they called me a madman"
IMO the stewards were in fact sending a message. "We figured out your strategy Max, and if you don't behave, we'll change the rule..." You are both right on point.
Vermagnussen amassed 20 seconds, brilliant work lol
Yeah the dirty driver thought he was smart, so he showed how smart he really is 🤣
Not the point of stewarding to "send a messege". They are supposed to judge the specific incidents.
I don’t think that’s their job tho. Unlike Austin, he wasn’t ahead at the apex in turn 4, should’ve gotten a 5 second. Turn 8 I’m okay with the 10 second. But max strategy is still valid and legal in current regulations, so there was no “sending a message“.
@@bradweinberger6907Judging and sending a message go hand in hand. They are tightening up and letting him know that they'll be on his ass for the rest of the season. If they had been doing this from the start, his lead would be much less.
Haas absolutely cooked VCARB and Max made of the dumbest moves of the season at Turn 8
Wasn’t dumb at all. Dangerous yes. He knew perfectly he was gonna get a penalty but was making sure to slow lando down enough so he wouldn’t win. He said it himself « without penalties I’m finishing 4th anyway but Norris would ve won ». Basically saying that way he only lost 10 points (18-8)instead of 13 (25-12)
@@Loreurkachampionship wise yes, but dirty driving by definition is stupid, and he got a penalty for it one week after all that "he's so smart" talk lol. 20 seconds is stupid however you look at it.
@@VjRj84Lol most "world" champions has their dirty driving. Legendary M. schumacher literally has few near attempted murder driving tactics😂. Max is just pushing the limits.
@@gudhaxer41343 Thats completely false and utter bullshit, i hope you realize that. Schumacher got disqualified for what he did in 97 so... is that what you want for max then? ok hahahah gtfoh
@@gudhaxer41343 "A few people have survived driving blackout drunk, so it's perfectly safe to do it". Just because others have done something doesn't make it ok lol
There is running wide and pushing someone off track, and there is purposely running someone off the track. Penalties are justified this time.
Michael masi messed it up. By not penalizing max in brazil 2021. it’s the same move.
Thankfully they’re starting to penalize that crazy person more often
And this kids... is called being: Lando Norris Fangirl
@H.W.E and this ladies and gentlemen is called being dutch. Max can do no wrong in your eyes. His win at all cost mentality will hurt someone 8f not treated.
@@benjaminsimmonite653 Bro when Max was dominating i hated him, i know when he goes over the limit (like turn 8 yesterday was maybe a bit too much)
But Lando won't become a champ if he keeps crying like a baby over the radio, if you want to beat Max, you need to get past him, and you know he is very tough to beat
Silverstone 2021 was 10 seconds penalty... I think the red flag made you think it was a stop and go. it wasnt
British media didnt whine at 2021 silverstone. They didnt talk about how nobody overtakes at that corner. They didnt whine about who was ahead of the apex. They called it racing incident😂 hilarious disgusting british sport
@@roy-yalI'm not British and I'm no Hamilton fanboy, happy if a bunch of different drivers win.
But Max is a total douchebag, a reckless arrogant driver that shows his true colours anytime things don't go exactly how he wants to. Yesterday was another clear example, if Lando didn't have his wits about him, he'd have been in the wall at turn 8. There's no excuse for Max's behaviour.
@@roy-yal should have been 5 secs tbh
I think Matt forgets at the start of this year the FIA said penalties are going up. Biggest example is magnussen in saudi getting two 10s for forcing another driver off and causing a collision.
I think its fine because such a heft penalty dissuades doing something that pushes the rules. The only reason Max is the focal point is because he pushes the rules to the limit so whenever he steps over a tiny bit he gets called out.
Looking at the precedence of saudi this year i think a 10s is actually consistent with what they earlier in the year
You clearly missed the penalties last race, that’s the entire talking point
@@IAmPdawg But it's the last race that was an outlier, not this one.
@@IAmPdawg but in the last race both went off and max was in front at the apex. Completely different situation
@@SchweinerSchinkler the thing is that he was ahead at the apex just cuz he didn't break he didnt make the corner. i see that as the whole problem with this "defence"
Inconsistent penalties is because of different stewards with each race
I'm betting all my chips that Lando and Max will come together in one of the next races. Their battle has reached the point of no return and it's only a matter of time before it happens.
Except both DNFing would benefit Max far more than Lando. Which makes Max being interested in a collision, while Lando is interested in finishing the race by any means necessary. Max knows this.
However, causing a collision deliberately is also not the way to go, because there's a precedent of FIA disqualifying a driver from the championship altogether for deliberately crashing with your closest rival.
The only reason that hasn't already happened is Norris is pulling Jedi reflex tricks to manage to avoid them all... Max has been giving it a darn good try.
They won't come together max will crash into Norris cause that's his plan it's either you wield for max or you crash with him no matter what
There are numerous example of this in 2021 against Hamilton it's amazing he has been able to get away with this for so long
@@foldionepapyrus3441this! This is why Lando doesn't go for risky overtake divebombs and people complain he's too nice. He knows max will crash into him and that will benefit max. So he has to be careful
@@ergoproxy-gx2cq💯
I don't think the championship is on. Max is driving so that the championship won't be on. He hasn't DNF and the car hasn't failed in a long time. Even with a 20 second penalty he still ended 6th. The Red Bull is bad but it's still better then half the field, enough to keep him ahead of Norris. The reason he drives, lets say it, so recklessly is because he knows others will move out of the way. Until he gets penalties or people stop moving out of the way he will keep taking those moves. He will win the championship.
Even with the 20 second penalty he cost Lando the win, VER P4 and NOR P1 is 13 points, VER P6 and NOR P2 is 10 points. He actually benefits from the situation. He's not going to stop.
Max had a DNF in Australia.
@@Horingslando won't win because he is also driving againts ferrari.
Everytime lando and max fight it is a win for leclerc or sainz...
@@ExodiaNecross2That's only his 3rd mechanical DNF since Monza 2020. Maybe 4th, if you consider a blown tyre in Baku 2021 a mechanical DNf.
That's why I think Lando needs Max to get in a fight with Russell because he has shown that out of the drivers in Formula A he is willing to fight Max to the point of a collision.
Yes you want to see racing - but look at Senna and Prost and their shenanigans at crucial times of championships.
Look how ruthless Schumacher was closing doors, blocking, taking and attempting to take people out
Yet we still hold all of them on a pedestal as the greatest drivers - It’s always happened and always will… 🤷♂️
British agitation propaganda always gets a head’s start on account of language. Sky’s infantile rambling will be properly contextualized over the next weeks and it’ll settle just fine outside of GB. Mind that Hamilton Max season, where in GB nobody knows how Mercedes cannon-balled Max twice in the last few races to get Hamilton near Max, and hold up their rigid rule interpretation as the holy grail of all enlightened motorsport fans- then you leave GB and 90% of people laugh at this storyline. Patience.
btw we all still call max a dominant x3 world champ, even though he drives so eratically
Just cuz people in the past did it doesen't mean it's correct now, nor was it correct before. I don't hate max or support anyone really. But as a neutral that was absolutely shocking and ridiculous. And you can't say Max deserves no hate 🤷♂
@@placeholder9724 whatbthe hell are you talking about? 😂 utter gobbidly goop 😂
THANK YOU!!! I cannot stand hearing them complain about Max knowing how they view Senna and Schumacher. This is just the quality of one of the greats, we're watching competition here!
Only Perez can pit for softs to get fastest lap... and still be too slow
He literally had a hole in his sidepod.
@@Comrade_Jason homie cant even out qualify a Stake
To be fair he had damage. But he needs to move on. I know this RB is crap at the moment but he was doing this kind of stuff last year with the RB19. I can’t believe he still has a seat.
Well Leclerc also pit for softs at the same time. And Ferrari was the fastest car this weekend.
@@Comrade_Jason he literally had a hole in his sidepod from running another driver off track
FIA need to bring back DT penalties
While I agree, verstappen deserved the 20 seconds
@@TheRealSonicBeats I agree with you, but with the DT it has to be served in the next 3 laps, so the team can't find the best spot to take the penalty and avoid getting stuck behind traffic
@ijedi8843 i forgot about the 3 lap requirement, it's truly been a while since we've seen it
Are you millenial or zoomer?
Far too lenient. There used to be 10-second stop and go penalties for practically every little thing. And the great thing was that you weren't allowed to make the pit stop in one. You had to serve the penalty and then do another lap. Then you were allowed to make your stop. Those were proper penalties....
Don't praise the move from Carlos on Max too much. Max doesn't care about Carlos, he only cares about Lando right now. So he wasn't defending since he didn't care. If he was concerned, he would've been deep on the inside. I mean, it's Max.
Yeah, I also think that Sainz overtook Verstappen so easily because Verstappen let him.
Not enough "SMOOTH OPERATOR" in this podcast
You're right. Brilliant drive. He was the whole weekend on top. Deserved victory.
If I was Toto I would have signed him as soon as Lewis made the announcement that he would go to Ferrari. That would have given Kimi some time to get used to racing in a F1 car.
Almost all of the races have been watchable. A variety of winning teams is great as well.
Max hasn't won in 10 races and the entertainment factor has increased 10 fold.
And the development race has also been interesting to watch.
This feels like it is going to end like 2021
I don't think it'll make it that far. Max was too far ahead. But if it does make it to the last race, it's going to be super spicy
At this rate it feels more like 1997
Nah, Norris is nowhere near as good as Hamilton.
Championship be wrapped up in Qatar
From how the championship is unfolding, it's more like 2009, where Button dominated the first like third of the season, then the competition brought the upgrades and he hasn't won a race since, but still got the championship through consistency.
Fun fact - if George Russell didn’t get disqualified at Spa, Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes would all have had a one-two at some point this season
I'm not even mad about the 20 second penalty, even as a Max fan. If this makes him rethink his approach and makes him start having cleaner wheel to wheel battles, it's a win in the grand scheme of things. It's not even like he doesn't know how to race cleanly wheel to wheel. He does and we have seen that in the past. Some perfect and recent examples being Bahrain and Jeddah 2022 with Charles, Bahrain 2021 and Brazil 2019 with Lewis. Quite a few races in 2020 as well with Lewis and Vaktteri. So he can race cleanly. It's just that he seems to lose his cool when the stakes are high. In all of these mentioned examples, the stakes were not that high.
I think it was a calculated move by Max. The pace advantage is enough that if he races cleanly, Norris drives off into the distance. Either they crash or he holds up Lando, both ways it's a win for Verstappen.
I don't even think this was losing his cool, Hungary was losing his cool. This was just a calculated "strategy" He lost less points overall to Norris with the penalties now (10 points) than he would have lost if he just let him go. Max would have finished p4 while Lando would have probably won (13 points)
@@michaeldecock3952 Exactly. He wants to crash with Lando while trying to make it seem like it is Lando’s fault. Notice how he did not do that with Sainz because then it’s only him crashing.
He’s not changing lol. He will keep doing this as long as it benefits him, without a single thought for sportsmanship or spectacle of the sport. He will always force rule changes to uphold the spirit of racing because he gives 0 cares for it.
Not my personal preference, and also not for me to say whether this is right or wrong approach, but to think he’d change when it’s done nothing but benefit him is a little…. optimistic.
@enochho exactly, I don't think he gives af about the "spirit and sportsmanship of racing". He's here to win and will do so as far as the rules allow(and beyond)
I completely disagree with Matt getting the biggest flop point. Max managed to get back with the range of points that he needed to keep Lando from getting.
Isn't the biggest flop based on performance? Max ended the race 1 minute behind Sainz.
@@soundscape26 so that wasn't his race to win why act like he even could from the beginning? The Red Bull was at best the third fastest car. How would he have done better. And if the only argument is the penalties that he got, I would argue that that isn't enough for it to be a flop because he still kept his championship rival within his grasp.
Max deserved a penalty, but hey, everybody was crying how boring it was when he dominated.
Now everybody is crying he is racing hard and exciting and isnt just rolling over to hand the championship to Norris.
No matter what he does, people will cry
As someone doing laundry and dishes during this podcast, I felt both seen and attacked at the end 🤣😂
What do your clothes, your plates and Perez all have in common?
Both washed 😂😂😂😂
@@Arandomguy133one job well done😬
unpopular opinion: Lawson is not a likeable character at all
I mean...no offense to checo but he cant even beat Charles in quali. What more for the fastest lap.
He cant even beat Bottas in quali
@@flosscapand he only beat ocon by 6 THOUSANDTHS in quali
I mean he can’t beat the Haas cars. I was surprised they retained him at the end of last year. Even more surprised when they extended his contract. Would have liked to see them give Yuki a chance at the end of last year.
That's fine, as long as everybody who does the same thing from now on gets the same penalty.
Horner wasn’t calling Max’s move a “lunge”, he was talking about Lando’s at turn 1.
When others do it it’s a lunge, and when max does it then it’s an overtake. Ok.
Christian horny‘s opinions should just be ignored. Dude is so biased it’s almost sad to watch
@@vikashchandra9917every team boss would do this
@@TheJubess didn’t say that other teams bosses wouldn’t. Just calling out the hypocrisy
Max prevented Lando from winning and himself getting a P4. That would have been a bigger difference than P2 and P6
Can't help but think that max got 2x 10 because he did both infringements so close to each other and the stewards were really unimpressed with his driving. If he did them on different laps against different drivers I imagine the result is a 5 and a 10
By how Max kind of accepted it, it's safe to say he knew what was coming😅
Next season why not have 1 point for each correct guess for a podium and another point for each correct position
If every race and sprint finishes like this (Lando in 2nd, Max in 6th) Lando Norris wins the championship by 1 point
George had damage. That’s why Lewis was staying so close.
That was so funny cutting back to Hamilton and Russel every couple laps just to see that Hamilton still hadn't passed him. 😆
@@lukew6725 7time worldchamps be like :'D
@@lukew6725well he still beat him in the end didn’t he
With 3 laps older tyres and wing damage doesn’t actually make that much of a difference as Lewis in Saudi 2021 showed
The 21' cars weren't as Aero dependant for lap time so kind of irrelevant. Stint 1 George with no damage pulls away from lewis, Stint 2 he drops into lewis with the damage so it kind of answers the question of did the damage matter.
Since the last few races...right after every grand prix I just can wait to hear what Matt and Tommy have to say 😅
You guys have said "what a season" (which is true) so much, in this video and previously, that I think I'm gonna need a 5 hours sum-up podcast at the end of it😍🙏🏻 It would be absolutely glorious
Idk why people are confused and surprised by max? The maths is obvious, the options are obvious. Idk how other drivers are not expecting him to do this because how else do you win? In the pace of that current Redbull car what else is max going to unless he just hands the championship over. M
I actually think Tommy should've gotten that biggest good surprise for Lando
Lando could've won the race if Verstappen didn't divebomb into turn 8 and tbh he extended his championship lead and got 2nd which is a good result imo, whilst Verstappen got 6th
And Lando did amazing in that race. The McLaren is Obviously not clearly the best car especially in the race.
I thought the stewards after the COTA overtake said that Norris would have had a 10 second penalty without the way Verstappen forced Norris off the track. So they gave Norris a 5 second penalty.
And? This race Lando was ahead at the apex, whole different ballgame
@@DB-zp9un relax lando fan boy, he's just trying to justify why Lando only got 5sec and not 10 like Verstappen.
Both situations are a joke, because all drivers are just trying to game the rules, "be first at the apex" or claim "he pushed me wide". Tracks are allowing cars to run wide, and come back on track ahead and stay there, bring back gravel, and in both cases the car on the outside would have conceded the corner before ending up in gravel.
Last week's penalty was phrased as something like: The penalty is 10s but in light of the cause of being off track was out of his control, we impose 5s.
10s is the standard penalty. Was 5s until this year when everybody complained that 5s is insufficient to de-motivate the perps.
Suprised no one seems to remember this
But even last week and during kmags escapades before his race ban they all only ever got 5 seconds but would just constantly add an additional 5 anytime kmag went nuts
@@rubenpellipeople just like being angry
Then if so, why was Lando given only 5 in Austin while Max was given 10 on each in Mexico? Should Lando not be "De-Motivated?".
@@Uno.Numero Because these are two different incidents. Lando was given 5s only because while he wasn't ahead on the apex, going off the track was at least partially Max's fault. The crucial part was that Max himself went off the track. And even that 5s penalty is debatable here, because Max had no chance of making the corner. Here Lando not only was ahead on the apex but also would've made the corner it it wasn't for Verstappen's late lunge. 10 seconds is and should be the default penalty, Lando only got 5s in Austin because there were mitigating circumstances. No such thing here for Max. Also I think he should've gotten a drive through instead of 10s for that second lunge into turn 8, but that's another story.
Max's bullying ( hindering ) of Lando prevented Lando from keeping up with the Ferraris, with the ultimate results that Carlos won and Lando came second.
Net win for Max. He was on pace for a 4th place finish regardless, and Norris easily had pace for a win. 2nd and 6th is a 10 point gain. 1st and 4th is 13. If Charles hadn't bottled it today Max's driving today, as dirty as it was, probably would have won him the championship.
That’s called racing
I say mission completed 🎉
I think the that saying the cars have to be at least side by side to be allowed room is too restrictive on overtaking. The bar should be lower.
Carlos gets the raw end on all driver pairings. He's an all star
Same penalty for Franco (who was hitted by Lawson) as for Max for not even trying to make the corner
ok
Stewards, as always, are complete trash.
This!!
Hit by Lawson??? Franco smacked lawsons front wing
Colapinto hit Lawsons front wing because it was not clean and slightly out of control. But at least Lawson and Colapinto didn't call each other names like the old drivers.
@@mylesiswhite4122 This
"Carlos will be back in a top car"
Didn't we say the same about Daniel?
Carlos is still winning races, Daniel wasn't.
I feel like Williams has a chance to be a top 5 team next year with two experienced drivers.
@@RhiTheKiwi-z5k he won twice in 2018. If you are talking about 2022 nobody was winning races in the McLaren.
@@JMRope Generally you need to be at least consistently beating your teammate who has the same crappy car as youp
@@Appletank8 I think you completely missed my point. The original comment was comparing what is about to happen with Sainz to what happened with Riddiardo in that Sainz is going from a top team to a less competitive team. Daniel was winning races at Red Bull when he left. He may not have been consistently faster than Max, but nor is Carlos consistently faster than Charles. And if you, as with the kiwi, are referring to 2022 at McLaren I suspect that has nothing to do with the original comment because nobody was saying that Daniel will be back in a top car when he was dropped by McLaren.
Verstappen today was a little "shades of Schumacher"
And today Schumi is a legend .... Max already is !!!
@@Switll72 if he continues like this public opinion will flip. It’s already starting to
@@SchweinerSchinklerno one cares everyone knows max is one of the goats already how you gonna win a WDC in a much slower car?? Max is doing the right thing.
Using a corner's apex as a gauge is too late to judge who arrives first. Drivers figure out where they want their car to be coming our of the corner long before the apex and normally prior to corner entry. A driver knows where they want their car to be at a given speed going into a corner. If a driver were ahead at corner entry then they could be entitled to go for the outside edge of the turn. Make the target corner entry for the drivers to race towards. It's at least just a bit more sensible than using the apex, which is far too late.
No one wants to see that style of racing. Pushing someone off with no intention of making the corner is some online racing bs. Penalty points need to be given when it’s egregious like that.
Max actually said post-race that he prevented Lando from winning and so the penalties were worth it. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
Max knows his car is slower so he is just playing mind games with Norris
its not even mind games imo, it's just crazy moves
@@carmelasicurezzathat’s what you need to do if you want to win a championship in a much much slower car.
@@Crazycatmanalonso wasnt ramming people off the road in 2012 though and nearly beat seb vettel in a inferior car
the difference between a method to the madness and a madness to the method
That's not exactly the meaning of mind games...
@@CrazycatmanThis excuse is just strawman honestly, there is no need for dirty driving even in an inferior car.
I think yall should put at least like a picture or something when talking about a specific moment in the race, so the audience can visualize what yall mean
Silverstone 21 ist the best way to compare penalties. It's insane to think, that these situations here got the same penalty as Hamilton yeeting Max off into a wall at top speed. That's insane. Max deserved a penalty but... We need consistency in penalties so we can stop arguing over them every single time.
imo Max should get 15 sec maximum. 5 for T4 for pushing a driver off the track (like Russell got last week on Bottas) and the stewards deemed the T8 incident as overtaking off track and gaining an advantage, thus with that reasoning the 10 sec is fair, because that's the penalty for that offence.
Max 100% deserved the penalties because he was reckless, but oh well
@@jonasblomme1252 agreed. But we really really need penalties to align somewhat. You cannot penalize an action mire because in your opinion a driver is usually more reckless than others. And that's what happened here imo.
@@FlixTaylor_1332 yup. But probably in this case wouldn’t have made a difference. The pace wasn’t there sadly
@@jonasblomme1252 correct, but that shouldn't be a consideration. I don't mind the result, I mind the action.
Yea, if what max did in Mexico this week and Copse 21 are identical in punishment, idk why Max doesnt accidentally just cause a copse like “inchident” every race with norris now, the fia punishes the action not the result which is fine in concept but it leads to bickering like this cuz the fia seems to decide whether to punish for either the action or the result whenever they feel like it.
What I don't get about the first turn 4 incident is Lando got ahead from it snd stayed ahead. I don't get why a penalty is necessary when it's marginal from the drivers perspective with these rules on if he was allowed to run him off, and Lando got ahead anyway with no reprecussion. This set of stewards (that need to be the same stewards every race STILL) seemed to want to punish Max to make a statement. He then thought he was done wrong in turn 4, so I think he thought he was getting back at him in turn 8.
Biggest bottle would be Max losing the championship and Red Bull losing the constructors while keeping Checo....
When Checo ended the 2023 championship with less than half the points of Max, the writing was on the wall already.
There is a larger points deficit between Max and Checo than Checo and Zero.
Got to ask why are they keeping Checo? Checo must have something on dodgy RedBull..
Thanks for saying that at the end Matt I was washing the dishes whilst listening 😂
The penalty for Colapinto automatically converts stewards into clowns.. or worse, dishonet stewards.
He was not in control because if he was the pass would have been clean.
Not really, he smacked Lawson's front wing after gaining position from going off track
@@soundscape26Because he didn't leave enough of a gap, for Franco to get back on the track
I WAS actually cleaning Matt, thank you both for keeping me company while I fixed up my apartment. Congrats on the biggest flop wins lol
Everyone praised Schumacher for his competitive nature but can’t respect max for doing the same thing essentially? He knows his car isn’t the fastest therefore all he needed to do was prevent Lando from winning. He doesn’t give two shits who wins as long as it’s not Lando and that’s what he needs to do at this time. Agree with it or not, moral or not, he knows what he’s doing and he will end up with the wdc for it
In Germany there is a phrase called "Schummel Schumi", which is "cheating Schumi" translated into english. Quite many people remember the questionable things Schumacher did to win.
8:45 if I understood it right the 10 seconds penalty are given when you do something on purpose and last weekend Norris 5 sec penalty was given cuz it wasn't on purpose but it was avoiding action from Max!
My view on fight btwn max and Lando turn 4 was marginal could argue either way. Turn 7 was well over the limit and deserved a penalty
How can Turn 4 be discussed for you. Lando was ahead at the apex and Max pushed him of. Clear 10 sec and in turn 8 he should get black flag or get a race Bann for the next race. You can't only drives into Lando and he only wants to crash into Lando, so it should be a harder pen
Max plays the rules game, the fia applied the rules for him
@@AaronThielen Lando wasn't ahead significantly enough that max has to yield.
And mind you Lando is going off anyways. He gunned it and was never making turn 4.
@@irwinrommel2099 The stewards disagree with you
@@James-gx9gn yeah the British head steward this race.....
No matter if it is for the good, the bad, the best or the worst, I must say Max is always entertainment. Next year Hamilton Norris Leclerc Verstappen Russel battle ......please
A 5 second penalty would have been utterly useless applied to Max. He has laughed out loud at 5 second penalties before and just driven away negating them in a handful of laps. 10 seconds costs spots.
Max has since he joined Red Buill been very aware of the letter of the passing rules and has exploited them to the n th degree, all the while wiping his but with the intent of those rules.COTA was just the most recent example. Today he pushed it too far, twice and got busted for it.
The rules don't say you can't just stop turning the wheel until the car next to you runs off track, but that is clearly what the rule was trying to prevent from happening. Max knows this, so when he defends he'll turn just enough to get himself around to corner leaving no room for other cars. Very much to the letter of the regs, buta piss poor way to drive that FINALLY went far enough for the stewards to call him to task for. It's dangerous and ugly to see on track.
Max did it to Sainz, who smartly gave the spot back, but then Max tried it with Lando twice and screwed up, both times.
And it's not even desperation on Max' part; it's just how he races because the FIA refused to adjust the wording of the regulations.
As for the rest of the race, beautiful drive from Carlos. Almost perfect from Charles, and a sold recovery from Lando.
But spare a thought for K-Mag who drove the wheels off that Haas and for once didn't tumble down the order after the pit stop.
Good showings by the rookies, but Ocon and Zhou were such non-factors I'm surprised they were running at the end.
But can we please just get the retirement announcement from Perez now? He is a bigger waste of a decent seat than anyone in the last 3 seasons.
You know that Marko blamed Lawson for crashing into Perez and putting a hole in his sidepod and destroying his floor...?
I was half expecting a 20sec intro to commemorate that penalty
Tommy says Lando "just needs to get past max". Dude, how many laps did Hamilton try to get past Russel? Jeez.
Lewis was driving with a damaged floor because they wanted him to use the new spec, which is slower than the other car. It's obviously difficult to pass with the same car even with the damage wing george had.
@@joshn1678a new floor is not a damaged floor.. it SHOULD in fact be faster
Lando and Max are not in the same cars. Lando's car is clearly faster.
@@aleeownz9132 he used the floor that got damaged in fp1 i think
It's always much harder to pass when both drivers are driving the same car
For anyone wondering the difference between the 5 and 10 second penalties, in Austin the stewards noted mitigating factors, and so reduced the penalty, and in Mexico City did not, with the standard 10 second penalty awarded.
Can we talk about how unfair Colapinto penalty is????? He was punished like he took lawson out of the race, when it was an stupid touch
he did took Lawson out of the race if you consider that Liam had to do a slow pitstop to change his wing
@@danielafonso11lo saco de carrera? doblo sobre la rueda trasera de Franco, torpemente, despues de sacarlo de pista... de que hablas?
@@danielafonso11 But they used the pit stop to put soft tyres an make lawson try to take away the fastest lap from Lando. And anyway giving 2 penalty points to franco from this incident IS CRAZY max had the same penalty points for a way more agresive accident
@@candelaalarcon1319 no man, he only stopped because Colapinto destroyed his front wing
@@danielafonso11 but anyways he had a really heavy penalty similar to Max. And even Lawson said in a interview that it wasn't franco's fault. FIA just likes to punish harder when your not from europe apparently
Merc can't afford another crash, but they got 10+ laps of TV coverage. Good for their sponsors.
Verstappen is driving just like he did against Hamilton 2021. "I win or we crash". Turn 4 he even risked taking out Sainz too.
Your closing statements reminded me my laundry was finished 😂
Funny thing is, that the second max-lando incident was theoretically exatcly the same as in cota. Max was attacking, was ahead at the apex, went off the track and pushed lando off as well. But beacuse of the type of the corner, it looked much much worse
Damn that Kmag drive was epic. HAAS finally. bringing some upgrades that actually suit Magnussens driving-style.
Will there ever be a P1 live show in Melbourne next year??? Big fan base here is Aus!
After what they said about Daniel this year, it would be a bold choice.
44:09 P1 with Math and Tommy
😂
Max was in the wrong, but the stewards were obviously punishing Max for what they felt was a bad call by the stewards last race
It was the other way around - it was Max who was pushing the stewards to see how much he can get away with.
I don't get that? You say Max was wrong, but also that the penalty for it was due to something else. How would you know that?
He was in the wrong, but it was the 10 second penalty for what’s been a 5 second penalty all year that feels like a statement being made
be aggresive...be, be aggressive (now I got that song stuck in my head)
Crazy scenario, Perez gets dropped which opens the clause for Carlos. Carlos goes to RB, Colapinto stays at Williams and Sergio goes to Audi?
I'm in, let's go
Carlos in RB i think will actually happen
All very well until you mentioned Perez to Audi... they already have Bottas, they don't need a driver like Perez.
This will never happen while Max is still there. Jos Verstappen has said he would move Max to another team before he lets Carlos be his teammate again.
Jos absoloutely hates Carlos Sainz Sr, and the feeling is reportedly mutual. This is because Jos has created a toxic environment for every 2nd driver Max has ever been paired up with. It was largely for that reason that Daniel Riccardo left the team. Jos gets away with it because he is a former F1 driver, but when Sainz was at the team Jos found that he couldn't. Sainz Sr is a racing legend and World Champion and has huge respect in the F1 paddock.
This is why Carlos Sainz wasn't even considered for Red Bull.
Max has always driven this way. It hadn't shown up in a while because he's had a car that was 30+ seconds faster for a long time. Now that the car is not as strong, the old Max makes a return.
id prefer good racing, i disagree with the 10 sec pen on the first one though. And while everyone likes to flame max, he‘s been sitting in a shit car for the last 6 months+ and somehow has to defend his point lead against a far superior mclaren. He‘s doing a damm good job of keeping his point loss at the absolute minimum.
So with last week having shades of Brazil 2021, this week definitely had shades of Saudi 2021.
I'm really worried about next week now.
Max Schumacher
Matt, "Whatever happens at Red Bull doesn't work for _him/Checo."_
Since Max showed up whatever's been happening at Red Bull hasn't worked for anyone but Max.
You can't tell me everyone of those 7(?) drivers sucked.
The only person who gave Max a challenge was Danny Ric.
But Horner et al made it clear Max was the golden child and Daniel was going to be the #2 driver as long as he was there.
After he left, Horner went on DTS and pulled out a, rehearsed, cheap shot, saying Daniel was running away from a fight.
@@aberamagold7509 I think it was Horner who admitted that they took the car development into the wrong direction because they didn't listen to Perez and Max was just driving around problems. I think Max is just that good that he can drive effectively whatever car they're giving him. So they're giving him the fastest car that they can build and he just drives it, even though it might an actual ass to drive for everyone else.
The outstanding penalty graphic made me giggle
Unless you want Max to hand Lando the championship and just wave him by what do you expect? His only job right now is to stop Lando winning races/finishing too far ahead when the cars pace difference is that much of course he’s going to be aggressive to finish on top it’s the only tool he’s really got left in his bag. It’s the same thing Senna and Schumacher did you can’t revere them and hate Verstappen
The rulebook change we need is “The Alonso Declaration” (all the time you have to leave the space)
I completely agree with the max penalties.
But why is no1 talking about Lando overtaking off the track at turn 4.
They were side by side, he got pushed off. But came on the track in front of max.
Should also have been 5 sec my opinion.
I'm still not 100% sure what happened at turn 8, but I had a sense that Lando was giving back the place. After turn 8 he was behind Max, so I think the stewards just checked the box 'gave back the place' and called it a day.
The rules state that gaining an advantage by leaving the track, the driver must give back the place. It doesn't say that the driver must give back ALL the places gained. Having passed Sainz on the grass, all Lando had to do was fall in behind him and he had followed the letter of the rules. Clever boy!
@@mikehipperson I'd argue he got an advantage over Sainz and Max by leaving the track. So he should have given them both back.
Max reminds me of Speedracer. He's lowkey a psycho😂He didn't even try to make the corner, he absolutely sent it with two results in mind, either Lando yields or we collide & he's actually admitted to this mindset in the past I believe it was against Hamilton. He took absolute liberties this weekend but at least he's consistent, I have to respect it🤣
My most memorable moment is Russell finishing the race in Sainz win 😂