Glad to see I am not the only one that talks to my cameras to reassure them I still appreciate them I still love them, even though others have taken the main stage
Was there some limitation on the results displayed through the scanning of the negatives? Any object on the film would be much larger in 4x5" than in 135, so the scanner/digicamera pixels would show a sharper and better defined result. Perhaps a darkroom print to the same print-size for each format, then re-photograph the prints with the same digicam and lighting to make directly comparable results. In this case there are still enlarger lenses and the (same) digicam involved which may all reduce quality, but quite possibly the two camera lenses are also rather different of course especially with their diffraction limits. Interesting to see the comparison being made though -- you could advertise the video as saving photographers bag-carrying shoulders ! [Edit for typo].
Thanks, Brandon. A few great directors were still photographers. Stanley Kubrick comes to mind. Still photography can really sharpen ones sense of composition.
It indeed does! It has a bit of a dark past, too, like many of these kinds of places. It attracts a lot of ghost hunters. The film industry has been using several of the buildings (not the one in this video) for years. TV series, The X Files was filmed here.
Adox has stopped making this film in all formats. They packaged up enough 35mm film to last about two years. That doesn't include 4x5, though. I have to say goodbye to another film that I liked to use... 😔
Now I'm getting that they slitted 60mm for 120 film! I hope there will actually be some 120 coming soon, as I've been waiting a long time! Quantities limited of course!
I've thought about stocking up while fotoimpex still has it, but what's going to happen with ADOTECH IV when the film stock dries up? I've yet to find another developer that handles this film as well as the Adotech.
I'm going to see if Adotech IV is a decent developer for HR-50, since I still have a couple of bottles on hand... I can't forget that I still have a half box of CMS 20 II 4x5, as well as several rolls of it in 35mm!
Isn't that typical of Adox? Once again once the base material runs out they stop making that film. Just count how many times this has happened. Good of you to take the trouble to do the comparison.
Impossible to discern/tell the difference via YT video or digitized files. Resolution alone is not what makes the difference between 35mm -vs- sheet film, the differences are a LOT more complex than simply "resolution". Factors and elements such as micro contrast, overall tonal range, contrast range rendition are just a few of the factors. This 35mm -vs- sheet film comparison has been around since the first of the Leica 35mm cameras came into photography.. From the fundamentals of how film images work, there is no possible way ANY 35mm film image will approach sheet film images given the same degree of care and best optics and cameras and techniques are applied, The 35mm frame of film simply will never hold the amount of information a sheet of film can. Same applies to 35mm -vs- 6x9 on 120 roll film. This s much a done before too many times many, many, many decades ago and has no significant validity. Better to accept the limitations of 35mm film as its own and sheet film view cameras as it's own, they are best applied based on their strengths. Decisive moment images for 35mm, visualized, pre-conceived images for sheet film/view camera.. there is no realistic overlap..
to be honest, this still looks like you havent exhausted the films resolution on 135, no grain is visible yet, i think your lenses might not be sharp enough to do the film justice
Probably not but I Alt. print, and only go as big as 16x20...The lenses I used are optically sound, especially on the LF camera, but still even with crap lenses, this film makes them look good! 😁 The point of the video was just to see if there was a considerable difference between the two formats...and there was! But... I would be quite happy to continue on in 35mm. Sadly, Adox has discontinued this amazing film!
@@Olyvia.. That's not what I heard. I got an email from Adox. It's no longer being coated. Mirko of Adox said that they have slitted all the remaining CMS 20 into 35mm and have enough for about two years. It can only be bought through Fotoimpex. Here is the Photrio link (then scroll down and you can see Adox Fotoimpex's post) www.photrio.com/forum/threads/adox-cms-20-ii-availability-in-us.205962/#post-2784039
Glad to see I am not the only one that talks to my cameras to reassure them I still appreciate them I still love them, even though others have taken the main stage
Lots of good quality teaching. Thank you
Was there some limitation on the results displayed through the scanning of the negatives? Any object on the film would be much larger in 4x5" than in 135, so the scanner/digicamera pixels would show a sharper and better defined result. Perhaps a darkroom print to the same print-size for each format, then re-photograph the prints with the same digicam and lighting to make directly comparable results. In this case there are still enlarger lenses and the (same) digicam involved which may all reduce quality, but quite possibly the two camera lenses are also rather different of course especially with their diffraction limits. Interesting to see the comparison being made though -- you could advertise the video as saving photographers bag-carrying shoulders ! [Edit for typo].
I would see a comparison with medium format and 4x5 😊
I loved the Croissant and Coffee part! 😆😅🤣
This was an amazing comparison and really helpful to teach some people whose still don't get it. Thank you!
Really happy you enjoyed it! It's part of my nature to goof around a bit. Got to have fun in this short life of ours! Cheers!
If i knew half as much as you about cameras then my cinematography would be elite.
Thanks, Brandon. A few great directors were still photographers. Stanley Kubrick comes to mind. Still photography can really sharpen ones sense of composition.
So I just googled Riverview Hospital Coquitlam British Columbia. It's a location with an interesting history.
It indeed does! It has a bit of a dark past, too, like many of these kinds of places. It attracts a lot of ghost hunters. The film industry has been using several of the buildings (not the one in this video) for years. TV series, The X Files was filmed here.
Is the adox 35mm sticking around or is it just the 4x5 going to the great camera bag in the sky?
Adox has stopped making this film in all formats. They packaged up enough 35mm film to last about two years. That doesn't include 4x5, though. I have to say goodbye to another film that I liked to use... 😔
Now I'm getting that they slitted 60mm for 120 film! I hope there will actually be some 120 coming soon, as I've been waiting a long time! Quantities limited of course!
I've thought about stocking up while fotoimpex still has it, but what's going to happen with ADOTECH IV when the film stock dries up? I've yet to find another developer that handles this film as well as the Adotech.
I'm going to see if Adotech IV is a decent developer for HR-50, since I still have a couple of bottles on hand... I can't forget that I still have a half box of CMS 20 II 4x5, as well as several rolls of it in 35mm!
@@analogueandy8x10 Have you tried FX 39II? Haven't seen it on any of you videos. I developed a roll of Potsdam (Lomo) with it and it looks very good.
@@steveh1273 funny you should ask! I ordered a few bottles and waiting for it to arrive! 😀
Isn't that typical of Adox? Once again once the base material runs out they stop making that film. Just count how many times this has happened. Good of you to take the trouble to do the comparison.
Yes, it's been a bit of a roller coaster ride!
Impossible to discern/tell the difference via YT video or digitized files. Resolution alone is not what makes the difference between 35mm -vs- sheet film, the differences are a LOT more complex than simply "resolution". Factors and elements such as micro contrast, overall tonal range, contrast range rendition are just a few of the factors. This 35mm -vs- sheet film comparison has been around since the first of the Leica 35mm cameras came into photography..
From the fundamentals of how film images work, there is no possible way ANY 35mm film image will approach sheet film images given the same degree of care and best optics and cameras and techniques are applied, The 35mm frame of film simply will never hold the amount of information a sheet of film can. Same applies to 35mm -vs- 6x9 on 120 roll film.
This s much a done before too many times many, many, many decades ago and has no significant validity. Better to accept the limitations of 35mm film as its own and sheet film view cameras as it's own, they are best applied based on their strengths. Decisive moment images for 35mm, visualized, pre-conceived images for sheet film/view camera.. there is no realistic overlap..
to be honest, this still looks like you havent exhausted the films resolution on 135, no grain is visible yet, i think your lenses might not be sharp enough to do the film justice
Probably not but I Alt. print, and only go as big as 16x20...The lenses I used are optically sound, especially on the LF camera, but still even with crap lenses, this film makes them look good! 😁 The point of the video was just to see if there was a considerable difference between the two formats...and there was! But... I would be quite happy to continue on in 35mm. Sadly, Adox has discontinued this amazing film!
@@analogueandy8x10 it’s very much not discontinued, they had some issues sourcing raw material but the will go back to making it
@@Olyvia.. That's not what I heard. I got an email from Adox. It's no longer being coated. Mirko of Adox said that they have slitted all the remaining CMS 20 into 35mm and have enough for about two years. It can only be bought through Fotoimpex. Here is the Photrio link (then scroll down and you can see Adox Fotoimpex's post) www.photrio.com/forum/threads/adox-cms-20-ii-availability-in-us.205962/#post-2784039
@@Olyvia.. do you have a link to this information?
Don't waste your time trying to find grain. There is none, none that could be seen easily anyway.
ahaha silly