Seiko 6309A Assembly Part 1 - Motion Works
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- In this video I show you how I assemble a Seiko 6309A movement after cleaning and inspecting the components for damage. This video is the 3rd part in a series of videos on the disassembly and then reassembly of the 6309. The video is targeted at complete novices to watch movements but for those who want to try their hand at some basic servicing and repairs.
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Now this time I am not doing watch making because in my country the watches are so cheap Chinese brands and you know most of these the movements are unadjusted therefore I left watch making as a business but I love watch makin I made so many tools myself because in my country only a few tools of watch making are available and thank you for replying I hope you would like to talk me
Just finished my first automatic watch service ever. 😎 A Seiko 6309-8850 from 1982. Looking pretty good on the time grapher so far - but what a ride it was. Without your most helpful video series, I wouldn't have gotten on the horse in the first place, Mike. Thanks a bunch and greetings from Germany! Thomas
Hello Mike, I had commented to you about a month ago about me having trouble getting the train pivots aligned properly. Well, after realizing that my barrel was bent beyond recognition, i sourced a new one. Once that problem was fixed everything fell right into place as per your video. Thank you sir for putting this one out there for us noobs to follow. I'm ecstatic, My Watch is oiled properly and running. so far so good!
This may be the most helpful tinkering video I've seen. Thankyou sir, I'm loving the content.
My favourite machanisem 6309 it is an ideal simple and smooth machine if you want to learn watch making you must see first of all this mechanism it is very simple I love it
Just want to give a HUGE thank you for these videos, particularly the 6309 series. I went through them several times and was able to restore two 6309s to date, and it was all thanks to the detailed step-by-step narration you provided. Also expanding to 7009 movements, which (to borrow your term) I find much more "fiddly". Subscribed and on the lookout for more videos. If you have a wish list category going I would add this -- the utterly frustrating world of rings, spacers, dials, hands, lume, etc. Nothing like finishing the overhaul of a movement only to sit there looking at missing dial feet, bent day wheels, hands that hit the dial markers (are they the original hands???), broken spacers, etc. Lots of wizardry needed it seems to get a solid movement back into a case and working properly!
Very late to reply but thank you so much.
You know sir based on your captions wherein I understand that you learned something like this based on self taught and experienced. You reminds me of my late grandfather who was a horologist based on experience. For almost 40 plus years experienced before he passed away last year is an amazing job. Thank you on your video.
Sorry for the loss of your grandfather. 40 years in watchmaking is very respectful. I would have loved to have had a conversation with him.
Yes I am completely self taught . It is a passionate interest that is becoming an obsession
I struggled and struggled. Until YOU demonstrated to me you have to get the escape wheel perfect 👌. To twirl in either direction and it takes a lot of testing with the finger and adjusting the screws on top. Wow THANK YOU. FINALLY!!!
Unbelievable. A 6309 arrived in the mail not working. I followed your video, kept my eye out for funny business, and now it runs! Man you aren't kidding: the "it's alive!" moment is really something. Thank you SO MUCH for your video (and disassembly videos)--I had never done this before and it went great.
Brilliant Ben well done sir. Just be careful now as that feeling gets addictive and before you know it you will have a RUclips channel …😂
my first disassembly/ assembly of a mechanical watch , thanks for your video.👌
Glad it helped
@@MyRetroWatches do you a tutorial for 7s26 and 4r36 ?
Well Sir, I’ve wanted to get into watch repair and have been thinking in doing so for a time. My son unknowingly bought a franken watch from India and it stopped working. Perfect opportunity! Took it apart and stupidly didn’t take as many pictures as I should have. 🤷♂️ well I found a huge hair that had wrapped its way around the escape wheel and stopped the whole thing. Removed it and set about to put it back together....back to the picture thing... and to top it off it’s an Allwyn A6319. Searching on it come to find out it’s a seiko copy. Your video was immensely helpful in getting it back together. IT WORKS. Thanks for the good videos!
Your 6309 videos really saved my ass, it’s my first crack at watchmaking and I kinda just dove right in not having a clue how to get the thing back together, very helpful to have a step by step guide, Thanks! Keep up the good work
Pleased they have been so some use to you.
It's ur kind to teaching us this art
Outstanding instructional video, thank you so much for posting. I have a bunch of junker 6309 movements in my parts bin that I've always intended to practice tear-downs and assemblies with, but never really knew where or how to get started until I watched this series of yours. I followed you along step-by-step and got a non-running one back to running first try, which as you correctly note is very exciting!
This is fantastic! well done on getting your watch running . It was my intention on this 6309 series to help anyone who wanted to try . This is a great first movement to work on as parts are plentiful and the movement itself it not that difficult. Really pleased for you Michael. Be careful that feeling of accomplishment is addictive!
Excellent instruction. Very well done, thanks.
mantolaman thank you for your comment
Hi, I would like to thank you massively for having created this series of 6309 videos. Using them along with the service sheet I have diagnosed and fixed a 6309 movement that did not wind via the rotor being down to a (non present !) pawl lever. Last night I succeeded in getting to the point of watching in awe as the my newly sourced and installed pawl lever engaged and then proceeded to charge the mainspring after I manually turned the rotor as per your video. You were totally on the mark when you said that You would feel a massive sense of accomplishment. Utterly amazing, my face was like my daughter’s on Christmas morning. Thank you so much. The bug has bitten me hard to repair now.
Thank you for commenting and I am very happy my videos have helped you to fix your watch. Missing parts is always a nightmare especially when you dont know they are missing. My first ever Seiko service a 6119 movement I broke the pawl lever. I then was given another and promptly broke that one too... Soon became an expert on pawl lever fitting .
Its that feeling that I am addicted to. To see a watch run again from your own work is satisfaction guaranteed
My Retro Watches Up until reaching this point I was very content to modify / build watches (using working movements). Having torn apart a non-working movement and diagnosed and then rebuilt it and created a working movement, I now have opened a completely different side to the hobby that was not possible before. Addicted is an understatement. I have several non-runners (6309 / 7002’s) that I cannot wait to diagnose. Again I thank you. Bar none my number 1 RUclips channel.
Online Identity a big accolade to be you no one channel...
You will find frustration and elation all at the same time in this hobby but it’s very rewarding.
I’ve just sent an hour and a half looking for a problem on a 6139 chrono to find the answer staring at me the whole time ...
Good luck with your projects
My Retro Watches I am interested to hear what the cause of the fault was ! If you video’d (not even sure that’s a real word) the process I look forward to watching the upload sir.
Fantastic video! Exact step by step instructions for the 6309A.
Thanks for you nice comment
I wished the world had less professionals and more amateur/hobbyists! We would be a far more educated and skilled society! The only time I ever had less problems with my car was when I found an amateur hobby mechanic who went way beyond the call of duty in his work and my car ran flawless! There I happy to pay double the retail price! His love for the art of what he did together with his knowledge ran circles over most moronic qualified professionals who were just counting the profits! My thumbs up & I salute you Sir! Would love to see an equivalent video of an omega 552 service!
Thank you very much for the video. Im so glad i found yours. My dead 6309 is now beating again.
Well done, glad my videos have helped you.
With your video I was ready to tackle the rebuild of my old 6309-7149 I bought on the net for eight bucks! But discovered the only thing wrong with it was someone had removed the balance wheel assembly and not engaged the roller jewel in the pallet when it was put back in the movement. She's running like a sewing machine right now! So, thanks again.
mantolaman thank you for taking the time to comment. It’s feedback like yours that encourages me that I am helping people out there.
The balance can always be a tricky one if your not knowing what your doing so is easily placed in the wrong position. Clearly the previous owner did not reach out on RUclips as you did !
Hi Mike, I know this has been up for a long time, but just thought I’d add to it as I have followed it and my 6309A is running👍😃
This is great news Jon well done. My 5000 sub giveaway series was also a 6309 which I covered better than these older videos
Well done MB! My only method difference...I use a Brass Tweezer to minimize wear on the parts.
mine stoped winding and running properly so i dismanteld the transmission/lever and the balance becausei noticed it was not running properly. after reassembly (and demagnitisation) it works again :D it also winds up properly again. your advice on testing the balance and transmission lever was the key. thanks alot! first time and huge smile :)
So happy my video has helped you. Is great when you can fix a watch by yourself . Well done.
Thanks a lot! This video really helped me through it
Glad it helped!
Great tutorial, thanks! I followed and was able to make it work. On Part 2 now...
Glad it helped! good luck with your build.
Thanks Michael
A really good teaching Video Michael 👍
Very super duper help me, good job
Been watching your vids with great interest, watching away as I am carefully taking apart an "Ingersoll Alert Junior" pocket watch to get used to disassembling a clockwork movement, it is very very dirty and quite an oddball and I suspect a knockoff but an old knockoff, I want the experience as I have a 1950's "medium" quality windup watch plus a strange "Digi" Mickey Mouse watch which has a clockwork movement inside I want to get running for my granddaughter :)
Thank you for your comment sir, working on these small machines is so addictive. Good luck with your Ingersol and the Mickey Mouse watch!
My Seiko 5 is going for 5 to 20 seconds and stops constantly even when spring is winded to maximum. I'm gonna check it with your tutorial it seems to be quite easy
Very informative and helpful series. Liked and subbed.
great videos..mine stoped running face up and doesn't hold more then 30 mins reserve. First time disassembly and your video was spot on for me. although I still have the problem it's been narrowed down to the hairspring or the jewels holding it being broken or very dirty so next is disassembly of them. Thank you for making this video. keep them coming
neil2286 thanks for your comment. If your watch is only running in one position it will most likely be a bent pivot on the balance staff either top or bottom.
Try to see also if the hairspring is sitting completely flat when in the movement.
It could be a jewel however when I have had this problem it’s always a bent staff.
Finding a donor 6309 from Ebay nice and cheap is probably the easiest solution. Look for the seller thewatchcollector in the Philippines he sells job lots of Seiko , find on with a few 6309s it will cost $20 or so delivered .
My Retro Watches thank you for the fast reply. I just bid on a replacement ends in a couple hours. That would make total sense. The balance wheel never oscillates very fast either. I have a couple other questions also....i have a part left over from the assembly. I pretty sure I know where it belongs but it wasn't covered in your Assembly. Very odd. It looks like a very small fork with two even smaller pin holes. It came off near the crown. If I could send you a picture somehow. Also...i can't get my seconds hand to stay in place. Either the second hand is damaged or forgive me I can't recall the name of the stem it mounts to..but otherwise that stem maybe damaged. Easier to just replace both parts with the donor?
neil2286 Neil either join my Facebook group Retro & Vintage Watches & Restorations or contact me on michael@myretrowatches.com
Second hand not staying on could be worrying, doubtful the hand is at fault . Probably damaged / worn end of the fourth wheel.
As for the part you have left this is also not good, obviously all parts need to be fitted correctly!
Show me the pic and I will see what it must be.
When disassembling always take a photo each time you remove a part, this way you know the position and sequence when you rebuild.
Good, informative & inspiring. Its not correct to suggest that "jewels should not be oiled". Indeed oiling is must.
Zafar Khan without watching where I would have said that it would have only been to do with not oiling the pallet fork jewels . This is not required
Interesting videos, subscribed.
AcK-CenT ViDeO!
Tack!
Thank you very much. Glad the video helped you.
Thanks really great job .Why? Don't we oil the pallet pivots
Great video and I’ve realized Seiko is an interesting movement. If you sand the oscillator weight, will it hurt the balance and movement?
Hard one to say, its balanced to removing too much material might make it function less efficiently.
Great ....I have Just tò put all toghter, but First i have to buy ,ultrasonic cleaning machine, oil , rodico..could you give me some link where and what buy to clean and lubrificate the part...Thanks a lot for your effort all..I follow the previus video and are great .Thanks so much !!
Thanks.
Geat vids on the 6309A .. however i do think you should have showed the actual oiling as well...
Henk Moo I would have liked to but when I made this I didn’t have a microscope . I do now and one day I will return and show oiling.
It is difficult on film to show the correct amount even using my scope because I can then only use one eye as the other eyepiece is blocked by the camera.
Thank you for you comment and praise. I really appreciate it.
I have this watch and my watch balance running is very slowly please help me. What i do...
Hi Mike, i noticed that the center wheel has 1 hole, the 3rd wheel has 3 holes, and the 4rd wheel has 4 holes. I suppose that has that function, or not?
Hello, to my knowledge this is all that is for so you cant get them mixed up, not that it would be easy to as they would not fit in the wrong place. Other Seikos I have done do not have these holes in the wheels.
@@MyRetroWatches Mike, I noticed later on that other Seikos didn't have these holes.
Cheers thanks a lot this really helped, just about to watch part 2. One question, where would you advise keeping screws when dissasembling the watch to then know what screws to use upon assembly?
STLND hi. Thanks for your comment. If you watch the first 5-10 minutes of my latest video (7025) I show what I use.
@@MyRetroWatches thanks
Like the previous comments - thanks heaps for this. I can't however line up the pivots on the train wheel bridge - I have tried a couple of times now and they just won't drop in the holes! Very frustrating. Any tips?
Patience. never force them. Its most likely the escape. If you have a microscope it takes seconds but with a loupe a bit longer . Just make sure the pivots are in in properly on the mainplate before placing the train bridge. I use an oiler to gently nudge them into place.
@@MyRetroWatches Thanks for the reply :) I actually went back straight away and tried again - and the one thing I hadn't done was give the barrel a spin whilst lightly holding the bridge and hey presto! Then I realised I had forgotten the click spring and I got it again straight after, so yes persistence is king! Almost complete now - and I could not have done it without your video! Thank you.
Thanks for the tutorial. My balance wont run (pallet confirmed working), it looks like the clasp holding the balance spring is different to yours, is it common for this part to change clasp method when replacing a balance spring? it seems like the balance wheel is resting too low and touches the pallet bridge :(.
I doubt it’s to do with the stud . Inspect your balance pivots as it could be one is broken
@@MyRetroWatches thanks for the reply. Having studied the stud, it is too short, but doesn't look broken. Either way I'll probably replace the balance.
Hi. Is it necessary to use the oil in rebuilding?
Yes. without oil the watch will not perform as good as it can with oil.
Only mechanical hobbyists knows the happiness and satisfaction when balace wheel starts moving because the balance always want to be kicked by pallet.
Very true statement!
My Retro Watches Thankyou sir
I want to say that im also not a professional I have no any certificate of experience. im also a hobbyist to do work on moving things like mechanical watches engines fans motors and to service my car and my hmt kanchan anc my vintage seiko5. by myself and I also make equipments like inverters ,electric cars, radios im deeply passionate since my childhood to do any work on science and technology and i think that if you're an hobbyist than always remember that this talent is god gifted to us and we should invest our knowledge to earn to help people around us.and i also want yo say a thing that quartz watches never can be artistic and intrested than mechanical movement watches.Thankyou great love from my heart to the person who like to work on most precise work of this world like i do.
La base del 6309 la base es la misma que la de 6119 y familia pregunto
Hola buenas. Compre un 5 sport calibre 6319.me hiva muy bien lo tengo aora pRa limpieza
Lo abrí y resulta que avían sustituido el calibre por un 6309 dicen que solo digiere en el número de joyas y que las piezas son compatibles quiero montar un calibre correcto 6319 solo quisiera saber si el vástago o tija es válida para an os calibres según me e hido informando casi todas piezas son compatibles también quisiera saber si la case del 6319 y 6309 es la misma que la de 6119 6109 y familia para adaptar la bata plástica de uno a otro
Não tô conseguindo fazer o meu funciona já desmontei várias vezes
Hello there, there is one little mistake. Never oil the pallet pivots.
Hans van den Heuvel I don’t! Never have and at 20.50 you hear me say “no oiling of the pivots”
How did you take the face off
Do you mean the dial? I have a two part video on the channel of the disassembly of the movement. part one can be found here.ruclips.net/video/Dj3pbJTkBR8/видео.html
Hi! Love the videos! I have dismantled my 6309a and reassembled perfectly! Thanks for the reference. My next project is dissembling again, cleaning parts in my ultrasonic, and oiling while I reassemble. The Service sheet calls for Moebius A and Moebius V oil. I can't seem to find this oil anywhere. Can you provide a link where I can purchase this oil?
Thomas Davis thanks for the kind words it’s really nice to hear the videos are helping others.
As for oils there is allot of discussion to be found on Wrist Sushi forums on Seiko oils or indeed my Facebook group.
That said I use Moebius D5 for keyless works and cannon pinion , for everything else I use Moebius 9010. Also 8200 for my mainsprings although arguably I should use one with graphite.
If your just starting out it’s best to keep things fairly simple as oils are quite expensive and it will take years to use up 2ml bottle!
All my oils I purchased from www.cousinsuk.com/
I know they do international shipping if you can’t find oils in your own country (if your not in uk)
Got any helpful tips on removing that barrel cover to get to the mainspring?
The dismantle video in this series will give you a great step by step breakdown on how to do just that.
As for tips, Be sure to let the barrel run out before attempting to dismantle or carefully release the power out of the barrel before removing. The bridge is held by three screws clearly shown in the video, make sure those are the ones you take out first. The bridge is very easy to remove, it will take more work to put back on. You will feel the gear pivots slip into the jewels. If you don't feel it click in, you haven't done it right. This video series was a great resource to have while assembly and disassembly.
fmcmla to access the mainspring easily once the barrel is removed from the movement you need to place it on a hard surface that will take some pressure without marking . Place the barrel on this surface as it sits in the movement ( threaded hole facing up) at this point I put my finger nails on the top of the teeth of the barrel and push down . What happens is the lid comes lose enough to remove it with some tweezers. You have to be careful with the lid removal especially with the stud in the middle as you could uncontrollably uncoil the mainspring which is dangerous especially to your eyes.
I’ve never had one uncoil at this point though . Once the lid is off you can remove the mainspring by hand using your thumbs to unravel controllably.
Found internet advice on barrel lid removal using can (duster) air on ETA7750. Trick worked on the 6309 barrel except lid was actually on the teeth side of barrel (bottom side as it sits in movement). Didn't lose arbor or have mainspring fly off unexpectedly on me. Used the alternating thumb technique to slowly let the mainspring unravel from the barrel body. Very dry mainspring. Still very springy and shiny. There's some yellowish coloration on bottom of barrel body. Great channel, btw. Also joined your Facebook group. A wealth of information.
Thank u for your video i followed your instructions and accumplished it..it was running for ten mins i put the stem back in and adjusted the speed then it stoped do u have any idea why ??...great vid kind regards elek
Hi Thank you for your feedback and question. so when you have adjusted the speed what did you do? have you moved the regulating arm on the balance? these are not something you want to do unless you have a timergraph machine as they only require very small movements. if it has stopped by moving these then it can be because you have made it too short or you have even damaged it. I need to understand more of what you have done. Perhaps carefully remove the balance and place it on a flat surface with the wheel facing up so it fits back in its jewel this way you can examine the hairspring. you are looking for nice concentric circles . If you are really stuck and you take some photos either contact me via email on michael@myretrowatches.com or join the Facebook group. There are 3000 of us in there many of which can help you diagnose the issue. Link to the group is in the description.
My Retro Watches hi i took out out the ballance and put it back in this rectifed the problem ...i also have purched a demagnatizer as when i put the watch next to a compass it moves the needle so i hope this sorts it i will be stripping it again and will be replacing the barrel now i have conffidence and understanding how to strip and put together free the video you put up on youtube thank you very much for shareing !!!...kind regards elek....
Elek N I am really happy to have helped you. Good luck with the barrel. Main springs can be tricky but manageable by hand.
My Retro Watches im trying to find tge full part so i dont have to take it apart...
It's too bad you didn't show lubrication. But, I guess, one could get it from looking at the Seiko oiling charts...
Sorry.. I am currently filming a giveaway series of a 6309 I am restoring . Possibly next week or so the rebuild will take place and I plan this time to film oiling where I can. Stay tuned
Me too chronology technician
🤣🤣🤣wow best. Reapering
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I want give anyone with a slight tremor or to much coffee a usefull tip from a retired ostopathic physcian. (DO). The tremor is from an overactic autonomic nervous system , to get rid of it squueze your fists or push your hands together for a few seconds I dare say you shall get that screw in, get the hand on the watch or what ever it is .