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This was great, especially since it feels like there's not a lot of kenjutsu sparring videos to watch, rather there's more HEMA and kendo sparring videos.
Indeed, Kenjutsu in not popular anymore. Just like Japanese Jujutsu isn't either. They got replaced by Kendo and Judo respectively. It's a shame, even tho both styles hardly spar (that's also why it's hard to find videos on it) both of them have more stuff that their Budo versions (Jujutsu actually has unarmed and armed strikes, and also some takedowns that are not done in Judo like the Scissors takedown. Kenjutsu in general has more stances and strikes, also they practice more kinds of blocks/parries and they strike with the intend to go through armor, something that Kendo does not, in Kendo just a slightly strong flick of your sword counts as a point, if your opponent has armor, that kind of strike will not do a lot)
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Good points, but I don't think the "if your opponent has armor" really matters. None of the european swordmanship arts we usually practice in HEMA do anything to armor either. We have half-swording and murder strikes depicted in some material, but that's not representative of the rest of the systems, as they are mostly focused on unarmoured combat. A sword is weak against plate armor. The real problem with Kendo flicks is not that they aren't strong, because they actually are! Kendoka learn to generate a lot of force. The problem is that they will be a lot slower and a lot harder to execute with anything heavier than a shinai, specially from middle guards. And the problem with Kendo overall, regarding combat strategy, is the same as sport fencing. Its mostly focused on getting a valid point first, regardless of consequences. Does not matter if you get afterblown, as long as your ki-ken-tai is correct. The focus on defense is restricted to the moment before you can hit the first valid blow. Doesn't matter if you can execute your blow safely. HEMA and "Kenjutsu" in general perceives this differently, and with a lot more options to execute it, even though sometimes gets thrown out of the water in competitions.
@@AljosaPLampe we hardly train it for that reason, sometimes we drill it but it's just sometimes. in Japanese Jujutsu, they really want you to master it haha. It'a weird how it is banned on Judo for being dangerous, yet it is still used in other martial arts like Hapkido...
Nice. It's always good to see Kendo practitioners using bokken, the heavier weapon slowing the movements down and letting a more varied art to manifest. I've got to applaud the grit of these two. Getting hit full pelt by a bokken is pretty much like getting hit by a club, and they are only wearing kendo level protection! A lot of bruises in the next few days for them I expect.
Minimum regulation weight for a mens shinai is 510g. Bokken typically weigh between 500g and 600g. I would not be surprised if these polyurethane bokken are lighter still.
@@Ianmar1 Really? I did kendo for a few years long ago, and I remember my bokken being noticeably heavier than shinai. And certainly both of them being much lighter than a katana.
@@ninjafruitchilled The shinai that you used may have had the center of mass closer to the tsuka to emphasize speed over strength (center control) giving the impression that it was light, whereas your bokken was necessarily more evenly distributed.
@@Ianmar1 Can't say much as just a spectator, but as far as I understand it from the physics perspective, having mass being distributed further up means more mass as the point of contact, which delivers more energy to the recipient. Same principle as a hammer, though to a lesser degree of course.
@LawyerSean These are both kendo guys (see 0:18). Blademan B had a 3rd dan in kendo and self studies tameshigiri, whereas Hogu Yeom had a 1st dan qnd otherwise no kenjutsu training; they have since each passed 4th dan and 2nd dan respectively. Edit: wrong timestamp
As a student of German Longsword, i saw a lot of really great exchanges from both fighters. They both have great distance measuring too! This was awesome to watch!
I trully enjoyed this one! A lot more than the kenjutsu vs kendo one. Combat philosophies are aligned this time around. You can frequently see retreating attacks, and I didn't see a single "suicide" lunge to get the ippon. Many timed strikes to the opponent's wrist, in the middle of an action. The weight of the weapon requires a different kind of movement aswell, compared to the shinai. Great work!
@@larrylawnchair5570 What is the original form of kenjutsu? There are some koryu kenjutsu in Germany. I am aware of HIR, HNIR, MJER, TSKSR, KSR, and TSYR.
This looks incredible. I love the techniques showcase! My friend that doesn't understand kenjutsu always tells me that its so easy to "Tsuki/Stab" ppl and ask why ppl dont try it more. But I keep telling them stabbing is the most difficult and often times unrewarded. This video rly show's how hard it is to apply Tsuki into actual combat and for it to actually work.
I’m a Japanese who practice both Japanese koryu kenjutsu and Chinese martial arts. Your fights are very impressive! I can see you are trying to use some practical techniques. Not just power and speed, but technique. I’ll wait for your next videos.
Wow! That's basically the "curriculum" I wish I went for. I want to be good at: Blade Fighting: Kenjutsu, Kendo, Iaido, HEMA and Kali. Hand Fighting: Aikido, Wing Chun, Tai Chi and that one that starts with the letter B and is hard to spell. Can you advise me on following this path? Any types from someone who is more advanced?
It's amazing seeing you two trade what would be fatal blows so frequently. It really puts into perspective how intense sword fights of the past would have been and how great swordsmen like Miyamoto Musashi actually were, to have won so many duels and with a boken no less.
I don't mean to be an "actually guy" or anything, but from what a recall, he only used a bokken in one fight. It was carved from an oar and was made specifically to outrange the especially long katana of his opponent.
@@sikViduserMusashi talks about stabbing enemies in the face and cutting their hands and neck in Five Rings. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@sikViduser, also, I read that the great Musashi showed up extremely late to that duel, knowing that it would really piss off this specific opponent. *mind f*+k *
This was Amazing!!!! I could watch 100’s more of these videos if they were just kenjutsu vs kenjutsu. Not enough people do this. Looking forward to more
Bokuto would be slightly closer to the weight of a katana than a shinai would, but still not close enough, and it depends on the density of the wood as well. I bet they’re only using lower quality “throwaway” bokuto here for combat, weight would probably be in the 500+g range. An actual katana is closer to 1kg thereabouts.
@S the "heavy feel" has more to do with where the point of balance lies. A 800g arming sword with a point of balance of 10cm from the guard will feel clunkier and heavier than a 900g sidesword with a point of balance of 8cm from the start of the ricasso - and it's usually a longer sword. (Both 1 handed swords)
You can see why Katanas are dueling weapons, really enjoyable to watch. A beauty you won't see in actual warfare. A spear or halberd is too effective to be as much of a spectacle.
They were used a lot in warfare and in some cases a sword would have been the preferred weapon, Japanese swords were even imported across Asia for combat use. Not just for duels.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 you're thinking of Tachi which are longer heavier swords for use against cavalry. Katana is primarily a sidearm or dueling weapon. Spears and other polearms have always dominated the battlefield.
@@theimmitigableone8056 that's not really true,also Tachi being heavier and longer is a modern classification. katanas could be longer prior to the edo period Where laws were made regarding blade length.
As a fellow Iaijutsu Koryu and Kendo practitioner I'm genuinely curious what style of Kenjutsu is the 3rd Dan. looks like the same one who did Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu in the Kendo vs. Kenjutsu video? what lineage does he do? Sugino? can't be Shinbukan?
My gut feeling tells me it's the same TSKRS guy too. It must be Sugino line as well; I don't think he would be participating in a video if he'd actually done keppan.
Much closer to Tennen Rishin Ryu, very effective against people wearing armor. If I am remembering my terminology correctly, they entered Tsuka Zeriai then the one in the blue attempted a takedown guy in black attempted to reverse it, but wasn’t fast enough.
Very good I wish a color would be added to be able to identify who is who.. Also to the young lady if he pushes you down with his weight try and consider pushing one of his feet away with your foot or quickly stepping behind his nearest leg to get away or push him away with your upper body
The level of lethality here is insane , I watch a lot of HEMA and you guys would definitely do very will in a competition , I would love to see katana fighting like this catch on more great job !!
i like this better than kendo, as kendo seems to me a more ceremonial and competition sport with many rules, this seems closer to a real sword fight which is very cool
Oh! That's just incredible! Also, first minute before realizing hit sounds are put over video: "WHAT? they fight with real steel swords, with stabing allowed? OMG Crazy dudes..." And spinning strike at 5:50 - rare moment when it feels appliable, had to rawatch at slowest speed
This is a really excellent display of skill, great job to both fencers. I really like seeing how the interactions worked with the steel blades compared to shinai. What kind of training swords did you use here?
@@weaponism ah, interesting, I usually find polycarbonate swords to be very slippery compared to steel ones. I'm very interested to see a dull training version of a katana so that I can train with kendoka/kenjutsu practitioners with a Feder. I think with a mesh mask it should work pretty well.
@@WinnipegKnightlyArts if they used dull steel blades in this match, their forearms would be filled with blunt force injuries by the end of the match due to the number of forearm cuts that happened.
3 Dan: "my powers of doubled since last time, friend." 1 Dan: "Good for you. Twice the pride, double the fall." *3 Dan gets hit first* Actually caught me by surprise, I expected the 3dan to dominate but they seemed pretty even, especially in the beginning. By my count, the 3Dan got 13 hits and the 1Dan got 8 hits
The thing with Dan in black belts, that's it in Aikido and Judo at least, is that higher Dans doesn't mean better martial skills, it's more contributions and time of service in the martial art in question. To other factors such as, in training you train but also teach. A practitioner may focus more on the Craft than on Martiality as well. But it is even natural to associate higher Dans with better combat skills.
@@captare In kendo you cant go up a dan without going through a strict exam so it does mean that a higher dan is always better than a lower dan. I assume it's the same for kenjutsu.
@@GatAnarquista Which doesn't mean a higher dan is always more athletic than a lower dan. Westerners tend to put a lot more emphasis on Dan ranks as if it fully represented a precise line of the practicioner's skill. It doesn't. It's not a leaderboard.
@@18ps3anos I mean the exam consists of katas and combat. If you're not good enough at one of those things you fail, so in order to be a certain Dan you have to have the required skill. A 1st Dan couldn't pass a 3rd Dan exam, so the 3rd Dan is better.
@@GatAnarquista better is relative. You are saying that 8th Dans are better than national team athletes in their prime? It's not that linear, because in Kendo you are evaluated in more things than combat effectiveness. But then again, this was a kenjutsu exhibition. Kendo is not particularly known to be combat accurate.
Pretty entertaining, but I doubt people would move so nonchalantly with and against a proper sword: the fact of wearing a training armor and wielding wooden/plastic swords makes it so that practitioners feel "safe" to perform cut movements as they won't severely injure the opponent, so sparring as such is just for the sake of playing around (definitely fun to do, though), as it is not representative of actual danger and decision-making in situations where real swords are used. Anyway, unfortunately it is not a great idea (for legal reasons, etc.) to practice sparring with proper blades, so this is the best people can do to feel like they are dueling with swords... a sport duel, not a real shiai (free combat), in which practitioners trained precision and control with real swords, without armor; definitely scary and risky, and that's the reason why nowadays sparring in traditional kenjutsu styles is not really a thing: it is better to keep practicing elements you can still train the same way as before (e.g. kata, kihon, etc.), instead of transforming the shiai in something that can appeal novices and people who want to compete.
This is not footage from Japan, but from Korea. A horrible movement like swinging a sword so close to hitting the ground has no place in the world of Kendo. The way the sword is swung down is also haphazard, and it looks like a video made by amateurs to make money online.
What a beautiful display of skill. There's tension in watching the exchanges! PLEASE PLEASE Hollywood film makers... Just hire these guys for sword fighting scenes, lol. Enough senseless spinning around and reverse grip BS!
3:10 Ha! Sometimes I guess it's just that easy. I mean, to be fair, In-no-kamai as a stance is rather effective against Jodan, at least in my experience.
If I use an o-bokken for training, should I get a regular bokken as a backup or the wakizashi version, please? (Or just get all three, plus the tanto version as well?) (My apologies for not knowing all the Nihongo terms.)
Yo this was badass!!! I wish there was dojo near me. There might be 1. I gotta call and see what's up with katana training. Keep up the great work 💪🏼👍🏼
This is interesting to me that the zanshin is completely different. I get the impression it's because the rules for points are less restrictive as well. While most points are scored to kendo ippon, there are many that would not be ippon in kendo that you seem to count as hits. I would love to understand why the fighters changed their zanshin. What went through their minds. I ask because kendo zanshin of charging through the opponent always seemed very unique. No other martial art really does that.
@@outboundflight4455 I would agree with that, except their swings are far more committed than kendo cuts. You see their missed attacks practically hitting the floor. Shouldn't that mean that they need to get out of the way even more? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
@@johnlin3959 my experience would say that their execution of cuts were solid and committing well. They were landing full killing blows majority of rounds. If they weren't wearing Bogu alot of those rounds one of them would have died or both would have critical wounds. As for moving or dodging the blade... in this case bokken or even a Nihonto is a couple centimeters thick. You really don't have to move that much away to dodge a fully committed Kirioshi or Men strike to the head. All it takes is like 15 degree move to the sides or corners then counter while their body is fully exposed on their side. To be honest if someone cuts and you dodge but you create alot of distance between their blade and your body that gives them the advantage to counter with another cut since space was created or even delivering a more lethal counter strike than if you only gave them 15 degrees instead of a 50 degree tenkan. Another rethink I would have suggested and it's my opinion. But it's good to overwhelm your opponents space within kamae and where your Monouchi is effective. So take their space...get in there and make them move. If you're just slapping each other hoping to land a stike it might not land and you'll be parried. Musashi was correct when he said you have to fight in a swordfight with the idea that you're already dead. My sensei once told me you have to get in there and take their space, make them move and break their defence and land the strike. The chances of you surviving a fight are very low. So minus well commit all the was knowing you WILL be cut or even die. That's the only way to survive.
@@outboundflight4455 Maybe my question is unclear, so let me provide some context. Before kendo, I did a lot of boffer fighting and dabbled in fencing. Despite having practiced kendo for many years now, I still find kendo zanshin to be unintuitive. My understanding of the practical aspects of zanshin is continued battle readiness even after you've landed what you think is a telling blow. In fencing and boffers, you do this through a combination of staying on guard and/or backing out to create distance. Kendo's unique method of zanshin is to charge past/through the opponent. Of course there are other ways to show zanshin in kendo, but this is the primary method. So my question is about why, despite both being kendo yudansha and sparring in a format very similar to kendo, did they never zanshin by charging through the opponent? Instead their zanshin is very similar to what I would expect out of fencers, boffer fighters, HEMA, or literally any other swordsmanship style. Maybe my question is multifold: Why does it seem like kendo is the only one that encourages zanshin by charging through? Why do these kendoka suddenly zanshin like other styles once you take away their shinai and make them keiko with bokuto? My first thought is that it's because they're cutting all the way through. It's very hard to charge through your opponent when your kensen is pointed at your opponent's feet after your attack. I hope that clarified my post.
@@johnlin3959 As I understand it, zanshin means a continued awareness of the opponent, and the danger that they pose. We teach beginners to charge through because it distracts the least from a commitment to the strike, and since their momentum is already forwards is the fastest way inside the opponents attacking range -> into their blind spot -> and out of their attacking range. This habit along with taiatari simulates tackeling and wresteling an opponent to the ground, however since we are doing kendo and not judo, we remain standing and go past eachother. At higher levels zanshin also means never losing line of sight on an opponent thus turning around once you pass the opponent, however we do not train this in kihon since it encourages bad habits e.g. infighting, and late hits as well as slow lazy zanshin.
Unlike kendo, this actually does look like swordfighting. And not just because of the swords shapes resembling swords, but because of the fluidity of slicing movements and parrying. Kenjutsu definitely needs more coverage.
I would like to test myself with your group if that is ever possible. Just no social media posting. A private match just to evaluate my skills and techniques.
I believe that you are right. It is non-competitive sparring where they each go through their catalogue of techniques and check how each works against the other.
EPIC!!!!!! So cool! More more more please! Love when you guys mix up weapons and fighting styles too, maybe do a weapon art vs bjj or wrestling or something
This is a bit much of playing around and having fun, I am pretty sure that they're techniques will change very much when it comes to a real duell situation because no one of them would present so much openings and opportunity's to they're opponent as they do in this case - I would very much like to see that but nonetheless both show great skills ❤
Really cool video, I'm taking kenjutsu classes and I really wish some of these weren't in slow motion so I can learn from watching and slow the video down on my own if I need to
"The weight of the katana is about the same as a wooden bokken" yeah no mate. Ive held many nihonto, some made well earlier than the 1800's. Weight was determined by how a samurai wanted his sword to be, longer? Or shorter? Bo hi, no bo Hi etc Once the edo period came around, swords were standardized im aware.
These are not meant to represent katanas, as they are slashing with the back side (blunt end) of the blade. This would do no real damage with a katana, and would not be able to count as a hit.
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This was great, especially since it feels like there's not a lot of kenjutsu sparring videos to watch, rather there's more HEMA and kendo sparring videos.
Indeed, Kenjutsu in not popular anymore. Just like Japanese Jujutsu isn't either. They got replaced by Kendo and Judo respectively. It's a shame, even tho both styles hardly spar (that's also why it's hard to find videos on it) both of them have more stuff that their Budo versions (Jujutsu actually has unarmed and armed strikes, and also some takedowns that are not done in Judo like the Scissors takedown. Kenjutsu in general has more stances and strikes, also they practice more kinds of blocks/parries and they strike with the intend to go through armor, something that Kendo does not, in Kendo just a slightly strong flick of your sword counts as a point, if your opponent has armor, that kind of strike will not do a lot)
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Good points, but I don't think the "if your opponent has armor" really matters. None of the european swordmanship arts we usually practice in HEMA do anything to armor either. We have half-swording and murder strikes depicted in some material, but that's not representative of the rest of the systems, as they are mostly focused on unarmoured combat. A sword is weak against plate armor.
The real problem with Kendo flicks is not that they aren't strong, because they actually are! Kendoka learn to generate a lot of force. The problem is that they will be a lot slower and a lot harder to execute with anything heavier than a shinai, specially from middle guards. And the problem with Kendo overall, regarding combat strategy, is the same as sport fencing. Its mostly focused on getting a valid point first, regardless of consequences. Does not matter if you get afterblown, as long as your ki-ken-tai is correct. The focus on defense is restricted to the moment before you can hit the first valid blow. Doesn't matter if you can execute your blow safely. HEMA and "Kenjutsu" in general perceives this differently, and with a lot more options to execute it, even though sometimes gets thrown out of the water in competitions.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 judo has a scissor takedown, but it is illegal to use in comps, cuz u can easily break someone’s knee with it
we definitely need more Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu koryu sparring videos.
@@AljosaPLampe we hardly train it for that reason, sometimes we drill it but it's just sometimes. in Japanese Jujutsu, they really want you to master it haha.
It'a weird how it is banned on Judo for being dangerous, yet it is still used in other martial arts like Hapkido...
Nice. It's always good to see Kendo practitioners using bokken, the heavier weapon slowing the movements down and letting a more varied art to manifest.
I've got to applaud the grit of these two. Getting hit full pelt by a bokken is pretty much like getting hit by a club, and they are only wearing kendo level protection! A lot of bruises in the next few days for them I expect.
Yeah this was very cool to see, kendo really loses something with the light shinai.
Minimum regulation weight for a mens shinai is 510g. Bokken typically weigh between 500g and 600g. I would not be surprised if these polyurethane bokken are lighter still.
@@Ianmar1 Really? I did kendo for a few years long ago, and I remember my bokken being noticeably heavier than shinai. And certainly both of them being much lighter than a katana.
@@ninjafruitchilled The shinai that you used may have had the center of mass closer to the tsuka to emphasize speed over strength (center control) giving the impression that it was light, whereas your bokken was necessarily more evenly distributed.
@@Ianmar1 Can't say much as just a spectator, but as far as I understand it from the physics perspective, having mass being distributed further up means more mass as the point of contact, which delivers more energy to the recipient. Same principle as a hammer, though to a lesser degree of course.
Great sparring, kenjutsu vs Kendo. Kenjutsu vs Kenjutsu.
This is the sickest sword sparing I’ve seen. Damn! Such clean movements!
It's the commitment to the attack 😁. JSA styles typically don't teach a defensive mindset for this reason.
@LawyerSean These are both kendo guys (see 0:18). Blademan B had a 3rd dan in kendo and self studies tameshigiri, whereas Hogu Yeom had a 1st dan qnd otherwise no kenjutsu training; they have since each passed 4th dan and 2nd dan respectively.
Edit: wrong timestamp
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My guy really performed a spin attack and got away with it
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Wow
As a student of German Longsword, i saw a lot of really great exchanges from both fighters. They both have great distance measuring too! This was awesome to watch!
I trully enjoyed this one! A lot more than the kenjutsu vs kendo one. Combat philosophies are aligned this time around. You can frequently see retreating attacks, and I didn't see a single "suicide" lunge to get the ippon. Many timed strikes to the opponent's wrist, in the middle of an action. The weight of the weapon requires a different kind of movement aswell, compared to the shinai. Great work!
I think Longsword students as us can learn a much from them ;) Unfortunaly kenjutsu in its original form istn't teached in germany.
@@larrylawnchair5570 What is the original form of kenjutsu? There are some koryu kenjutsu in Germany. I am aware of HIR, HNIR, MJER, TSKSR, KSR, and TSYR.
@@Ianmar1what the mean?
@@arfinsyah
HIR = Hokushin itto ryu
HNIR = Hyoho niten ichi ryu
MJER = Muso jikiden eishin ryu
TSKSR = Tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu
KSR = Kashima shinto ryu
TSYR = Takamura-ha shindo yoshin ryu
This looks incredible. I love the techniques showcase!
My friend that doesn't understand kenjutsu always tells me that its so easy to "Tsuki/Stab" ppl and ask why ppl dont try it more. But I keep telling them stabbing is the most difficult and often times unrewarded. This video rly show's how hard it is to apply Tsuki into actual combat and for it to actually work.
Also got to consider
Some Kenjutsu styles will avoid armor. Stabbing at an armor plate will just bounce off your sword
It's also a katana, which can stab but really REALLY wants to cut things.
Tsuki requires alot of accuracy and its risky. its hard to counter but if its countered you will be a sitting duck.
@@water1374 in such cases , that's where the wakizashi or tanto comes in ,as soon as you get in you stab or cut the gaps in armor.
I’m a Japanese who practice both Japanese koryu kenjutsu and Chinese martial arts.
Your fights are very impressive! I can see you are trying to use some practical techniques. Not just power and speed, but technique.
I’ll wait for your next videos.
Wow! That's basically the "curriculum" I wish I went for. I want to be good at:
Blade Fighting:
Kenjutsu, Kendo, Iaido, HEMA and Kali.
Hand Fighting:
Aikido, Wing Chun, Tai Chi and that one that starts with the letter B and is hard to spell.
Can you advise me on following this path? Any types from someone who is more advanced?
It's amazing seeing you two trade what would be fatal blows so frequently. It really puts into perspective how intense sword fights of the past would have been and how great swordsmen like Miyamoto Musashi actually were, to have won so many duels and with a boken no less.
I don't mean to be an "actually guy" or anything, but from what a recall, he only used a bokken in one fight. It was carved from an oar and was made specifically to outrange the especially long katana of his opponent.
@@jamesoldham9995 My understanding was that he used a bokken in nearly all his duels. That he had no intention of killing most of his opponents.
@@sikViduserMusashi talks about stabbing enemies in the face and cutting their hands and neck in Five Rings. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@sikViduser the bokken was both a taunt and him trying to have an advantage on that certain opponent
@@sikViduser, also, I read that the great Musashi showed up extremely late to that duel, knowing that it would really piss off this specific opponent. *mind f*+k *
This was Amazing!!!! I could watch 100’s more of these videos if they were just kenjutsu vs kenjutsu. Not enough people do this. Looking forward to more
Kenjutsu: *re-sheathes katana*
Kendo: why do i hear boss music
5:07 we might as well start calling him Kenshin Himura because that seems to be his best attack
My exact thought haha.
Are these closer to the weight of an actual sword? It was fun to see a little slower fight than with shinai :)
They said it was close to a bokuto's weight. So not quite like a uchigatana, but still much more interesting than with a shinai.
Bokuto would be slightly closer to the weight of a katana than a shinai would, but still not close enough, and it depends on the density of the wood as well. I bet they’re only using lower quality “throwaway” bokuto here for combat, weight would probably be in the 500+g range. An actual katana is closer to 1kg thereabouts.
@S the "heavy feel" has more to do with where the point of balance lies. A 800g arming sword with a point of balance of 10cm from the guard will feel clunkier and heavier than a 900g sidesword with a point of balance of 8cm from the start of the ricasso - and it's usually a longer sword. (Both 1 handed swords)
You can see why Katanas are dueling weapons, really enjoyable to watch. A beauty you won't see in actual warfare. A spear or halberd is too effective to be as much of a spectacle.
Yeah, they were just for dueling or to try and survive if you lost your other weapons (and fell of your horse if you were on one).
They were used a lot in warfare and in some cases a sword would have been the preferred weapon, Japanese swords were even imported across Asia for combat use.
Not just for duels.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 you're thinking of Tachi which are longer heavier swords for use against cavalry. Katana is primarily a sidearm or dueling weapon. Spears and other polearms have always dominated the battlefield.
@@theimmitigableone8056 that's not really true,also Tachi being heavier and longer is a modern classification. katanas could be longer prior to the edo period Where laws were made regarding blade length.
@@eagle162 true
This was super awesome, I love the fluidity from both practitioners. Also, you guys must have arms of steel to take kote strikes with bokken!!
As a fellow Iaijutsu Koryu and Kendo practitioner I'm genuinely curious what style of Kenjutsu is the 3rd Dan. looks like the same one who did Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu in the Kendo vs. Kenjutsu video? what lineage does he do? Sugino? can't be Shinbukan?
I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. Might actually both be the same guys but the kendo dude is playing more in a kenjutsu-looking style.
My gut feeling tells me it's the same TSKRS guy too. It must be Sugino line as well; I don't think he would be participating in a video if he'd actually done keppan.
@@Veepee92 right I would figure so?
@@outboundflight4455 He has his own RUclips channel; maybe see if he answers the question there?
sugawara ha
Please do more like this! That takedown at 2:40 was amazing
Yeah, that was pretty sick. Had to re-watch a couple of times to convince myself it wasn't premeditated
Much closer to Tennen Rishin Ryu, very effective against people wearing armor.
If I am remembering my terminology correctly, they entered Tsuka Zeriai then the one in the blue attempted a takedown guy in black attempted to reverse it, but wasn’t fast enough.
2:41 Fatality
Very good I wish a color would be added to be able to identify who is who.. Also to the young lady if he pushes you down with his weight try and consider pushing one of his feet away with your foot or quickly stepping behind his nearest leg to get away or push him away with your upper body
Those iaijutsu techniques were smooth 😍
*The old ways.*
The level of lethality here is insane , I watch a lot of HEMA and you guys would definitely do very will in a competition , I would love to see katana fighting like this catch on more great job !!
Holy shite those grappling moves are SWEET!
i like this better than kendo, as kendo seems to me a more ceremonial and competition sport with many rules, this seems closer to a real sword fight which is very cool
That was great to watch. I'm curious, what style of Kenjutsu you were doing?
Great video that shows the importance of distance management.
proper distance management and timing are the core of meele combat
Oh! That's just incredible!
Also, first minute before realizing hit sounds are put over video: "WHAT? they fight with real steel swords, with stabing allowed? OMG Crazy dudes..."
And spinning strike at 5:50 - rare moment when it feels appliable, had to rawatch at slowest speed
Probably your best video! (Or at least, my favourite.) Thank you for the English, and the sound effects add a lot! That's great! Thank you.
This is a really excellent display of skill, great job to both fencers. I really like seeing how the interactions worked with the steel blades compared to shinai. What kind of training swords did you use here?
This is a polyurethane katana left as a fixed comment.🤺
@@weaponism ah, interesting, I usually find polycarbonate swords to be very slippery compared to steel ones. I'm very interested to see a dull training version of a katana so that I can train with kendoka/kenjutsu practitioners with a Feder. I think with a mesh mask it should work pretty well.
@@WinnipegKnightlyArts if they used dull steel blades in this match, their forearms would be filled with blunt force injuries by the end of the match due to the number of forearm cuts that happened.
@@sepg5084 the gauntlets protect the forearm. Getting hit by a shinai repeatedly in the forearm isn't that much different
3 Dan: "my powers of doubled since last time, friend."
1 Dan: "Good for you. Twice the pride, double the fall."
*3 Dan gets hit first*
Actually caught me by surprise, I expected the 3dan to dominate but they seemed pretty even, especially in the beginning. By my count, the 3Dan got 13 hits and the 1Dan got 8 hits
The thing with Dan in black belts, that's it in Aikido and Judo at least, is that higher Dans doesn't mean better martial skills, it's more contributions and time of service in the martial art in question.
To other factors such as, in training you train but also teach. A practitioner may focus more on the Craft than on Martiality as well.
But it is even natural to associate higher Dans with better combat skills.
@@captare In kendo you cant go up a dan without going through a strict exam so it does mean that a higher dan is always better than a lower dan. I assume it's the same for kenjutsu.
@@GatAnarquista Which doesn't mean a higher dan is always more athletic than a lower dan. Westerners tend to put a lot more emphasis on Dan ranks as if it fully represented a precise line of the practicioner's skill. It doesn't. It's not a leaderboard.
@@18ps3anos I mean the exam consists of katas and combat. If you're not good enough at one of those things you fail, so in order to be a certain Dan you have to have the required skill. A 1st Dan couldn't pass a 3rd Dan exam, so the 3rd Dan is better.
@@GatAnarquista better is relative. You are saying that 8th Dans are better than national team athletes in their prime? It's not that linear, because in Kendo you are evaluated in more things than combat effectiveness. But then again, this was a kenjutsu exhibition. Kendo is not particularly known to be combat accurate.
Oh my god so cool! The switch steps from Blue to create angles were really effective, fantastic to watch.
You guys should make a movie with these two, they're so fun to watch!
This is really fun to watch. You need to do more of this stuff. Waiting for your next kenjutsu vs kenjutsu videos!
Some lovely exchanges between these two well done to both.
What i wanna see is traditional Kenjutsu. Like the really old styles from the Samurai days
Vs Kendo the sport
This might be my favorite video you guys have done. The back and forth exchanges and all of the deflections are so cool.
Good stuff there, its good to see Kenjutsu sparring because in sparring is where you see which one works & which doesnt.
Amazing piece of art 🤩
As always. The movement is so fluid and its just a matter of give and take with emphasis on an external factor to kill/maim. Always great
Also this channel's idea often go crazy, this might be the most realistic katana fight I've ever seen.
this is why real Samurai duels were very short
you miss your chance and you're dead
finally some pactical katana fencing and not flashy dance routines.
that was cool
cool video, in Brazil there is the niten institute, based on Miyamoto musashi's techniques, they mix kenjutsu and kendo efficiently
Pretty entertaining, but I doubt people would move so nonchalantly with and against a proper sword: the fact of wearing a training armor and wielding wooden/plastic swords makes it so that practitioners feel "safe" to perform cut movements as they won't severely injure the opponent, so sparring as such is just for the sake of playing around (definitely fun to do, though), as it is not representative of actual danger and decision-making in situations where real swords are used.
Anyway, unfortunately it is not a great idea (for legal reasons, etc.) to practice sparring with proper blades, so this is the best people can do to feel like they are dueling with swords... a sport duel, not a real shiai (free combat), in which practitioners trained precision and control with real swords, without armor; definitely scary and risky, and that's the reason why nowadays sparring in traditional kenjutsu styles is not really a thing: it is better to keep practicing elements you can still train the same way as before (e.g. kata, kihon, etc.), instead of transforming the shiai in something that can appeal novices and people who want to compete.
This is not footage from Japan, but from Korea.
A horrible movement like swinging a sword so close to hitting the ground has no place in the world of Kendo.
The way the sword is swung down is also haphazard, and it looks like a video made by amateurs to make money online.
I like how the music changed when one of the warriors chose to try out an iaijutsu. Nice editing. 👍🏼👍🏼
They should make this an Olympic sport, not golf.
What a beautiful display of skill. There's tension in watching the exchanges! PLEASE PLEASE Hollywood film makers... Just hire these guys for sword fighting scenes, lol. Enough senseless spinning around and reverse grip BS!
3:10 Ha! Sometimes I guess it's just that easy. I mean, to be fair, In-no-kamai as a stance is rather effective against Jodan, at least in my experience.
This is definitely my favorite video! I loved watching these two spar.
That´s so f*cking cool!!!
If I use an o-bokken for training, should I get a regular bokken as a backup or the wakizashi version, please? (Or just get all three, plus the tanto version as well?) (My apologies for not knowing all the Nihongo terms.)
A backup should always be a wakizashi. A bokken will slow you down too much.
@@soysauce4087 Okay, thank you.
Yo this was badass!!! I wish there was dojo near me. There might be 1. I gotta call and see what's up with katana training. Keep up the great work 💪🏼👍🏼
帰滅で草
5:07 isn’t this particular style called battoujutsu?
@S oh okay, I always thought battou was specifically just attacking from a position where the sword is drawn. Thanks for informing! 😁
Please do more of kenjutsu sparring videos!
This video is incredible! Thank you!
Awesome to watch, it would be nice if these kind of gyms were located in more places
This is interesting to me that the zanshin is completely different. I get the impression it's because the rules for points are less restrictive as well. While most points are scored to kendo ippon, there are many that would not be ippon in kendo that you seem to count as hits. I would love to understand why the fighters changed their zanshin. What went through their minds. I ask because kendo zanshin of charging through the opponent always seemed very unique. No other martial art really does that.
zanshin would apply more with full commitment to after a killing strike. they're basically sparring.
@@outboundflight4455 I would agree with that, except their swings are far more committed than kendo cuts. You see their missed attacks practically hitting the floor. Shouldn't that mean that they need to get out of the way even more? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
@@johnlin3959 my experience would say that their execution of cuts were solid and committing well. They were landing full killing blows majority of rounds. If they weren't wearing Bogu alot of those rounds one of them would have died or both would have critical wounds.
As for moving or dodging the blade... in this case bokken or even a Nihonto is a couple centimeters thick. You really don't have to move that much away to dodge a fully committed Kirioshi or Men strike to the head. All it takes is like 15 degree move to the sides or corners then counter while their body is fully exposed on their side.
To be honest if someone cuts and you dodge but you create alot of distance between their blade and your body that gives them the advantage to counter with another cut since space was created or even delivering a more lethal counter strike than if you only gave them 15 degrees instead of a 50 degree tenkan.
Another rethink I would have suggested and it's my opinion. But it's good to overwhelm your opponents space within kamae and where your Monouchi is effective. So take their space...get in there and make them move. If you're just slapping each other hoping to land a stike it might not land and you'll be parried.
Musashi was correct when he said you have to fight in a swordfight with the idea that you're already dead. My sensei once told me you have to get in there and take their space, make them move and break their defence and land the strike. The chances of you surviving a fight are very low. So minus well commit all the was knowing you WILL be cut or even die. That's the only way to survive.
@@outboundflight4455 Maybe my question is unclear, so let me provide some context.
Before kendo, I did a lot of boffer fighting and dabbled in fencing. Despite having practiced kendo for many years now, I still find kendo zanshin to be unintuitive. My understanding of the practical aspects of zanshin is continued battle readiness even after you've landed what you think is a telling blow.
In fencing and boffers, you do this through a combination of staying on guard and/or backing out to create distance. Kendo's unique method of zanshin is to charge past/through the opponent. Of course there are other ways to show zanshin in kendo, but this is the primary method.
So my question is about why, despite both being kendo yudansha and sparring in a format very similar to kendo, did they never zanshin by charging through the opponent? Instead their zanshin is very similar to what I would expect out of fencers, boffer fighters, HEMA, or literally any other swordsmanship style.
Maybe my question is multifold: Why does it seem like kendo is the only one that encourages zanshin by charging through? Why do these kendoka suddenly zanshin like other styles once you take away their shinai and make them keiko with bokuto?
My first thought is that it's because they're cutting all the way through. It's very hard to charge through your opponent when your kensen is pointed at your opponent's feet after your attack.
I hope that clarified my post.
@@johnlin3959 As I understand it, zanshin means a continued awareness of the opponent, and the danger that they pose. We teach beginners to charge through because it distracts the least from a commitment to the strike, and since their momentum is already forwards is the fastest way inside the opponents attacking range -> into their blind spot -> and out of their attacking range. This habit along with taiatari simulates tackeling and wresteling an opponent to the ground, however since we are doing kendo and not judo, we remain standing and go past eachother. At higher levels zanshin also means never losing line of sight on an opponent thus turning around once you pass the opponent, however we do not train this in kihon since it encourages bad habits e.g. infighting, and late hits as well as slow lazy zanshin.
I was just reading Book of 5 rings and wanted to see some of the stances and attitudes spoke of in the book. Great video 🙏🏾
Where did you get the scabbards? The link shows only the practice katana.
I got one from Tozando, although any shop that sells iaido equipment should sell those.
Interesting sheathing…
Unlike kendo, this actually does look like swordfighting. And not just because of the swords shapes resembling swords, but because of the fluidity of slicing movements and parrying.
Kenjutsu definitely needs more coverage.
These are the same guys from the kendo vs kenjutsu video. One has only studied kenjutsu via kendo.
@@Ianmar1 I can see that one of them is not particularly good at this, but it's still much more enjoyable to watch than kendo.
Kendo kenjutsu vs iaido kenjutsu
wait what? are those boken with metal sound added right?
Nice
A more traditional music would fit better I think
I would like to test myself with your group if that is ever possible. Just no social media posting. A private match just to evaluate my skills and techniques.
Their group is a kendo club, I am not sure if that is what you are looking for.
I just want to be there, doing that. Instead of here, in a room with a computer, seeing a video of it. But it is a good video.
Is that a real sparring or demonstration of techniques ? I am asking since it looks like both at the same time.
I believe that you are right. It is non-competitive sparring where they each go through their catalogue of techniques and check how each works against the other.
real sparring
EPIC!!!!!! So cool! More more more please! Love when you guys mix up weapons and fighting styles too, maybe do a weapon art vs bjj or wrestling or something
This is so cool!!!
🤤🤤🤤
Watching this makes me want to learn both Kendo and Kenjutsu, it feels so invigorating to watch masters battle it out using an elegant martial art.
This was very fun to watch. As an Iaidoka, I learned a lot from this video.
Both very skilled.
A really good training session 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
it was amazing to watch. i wish more videos about kenjutsu
next kendo vs kenjutsu
Hesitation is defeat
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE
I love this
My favorite one!
More please
why won't they make kenjutsu a sport like kendo its way more exciting since its not so restrictive
kendo is the product of making kenjutsu a sport
more kenjutsu gyus!
Impressive
This is a bit much of playing around and having fun, I am pretty sure that they're techniques will change very much when it comes to a real duell situation because no one of them would present so much openings and opportunity's to they're opponent as they do in this case - I would very much like to see that but nonetheless both show great skills ❤
Not quite Seki Sensei level but dang fun to watch, though I really thought kenjutsu would win out over kenjutsu. Surprising.
Really cool video, I'm taking kenjutsu classes and I really wish some of these weren't in slow motion so I can learn from watching and slow the video down on my own if I need to
Awesome video! One of the best yet! ⚔
"The weight of the katana is about the same as a wooden bokken" yeah no mate. Ive held many nihonto, some made well earlier than the 1800's. Weight was determined by how a samurai wanted his sword to be, longer? Or shorter? Bo hi, no bo Hi etc
Once the edo period came around, swords were standardized im aware.
これは、、本物の日本刀を扱う本来の剣術ではない。
受太刀なんて愚かなことは殆どしない。
なんか残念。。真似事にしては良くできてるとは思う。
5:01 bro pulled out a Heavenly Strike 💀 He is the Ghost
Great sparring
I absolutely love watching this. I just wish the sword didn't get lost in the background at times so I could watch it more closely.
Bro in black died at least 15 times in the most brutal ways possible ☠️☠️
These are not meant to represent katanas, as they are slashing with the back side (blunt end) of the blade. This would do no real damage with a katana, and would not be able to count as a hit.
They're moving slowly and in turns....
I love how world war 3 wil be fought with sticks but also anime level fighting skills and game theory 😂😂😂 there will be whole x sports tribes 😂😂😂 lets avoid www 3 people