Is Pacific Theater of Operations (PTO) Worth Playing Today? - SNESdrunk
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Questions on top of choices on top of menus on top of options on top of numbers on top of scales... this video would have to be about 12 hours long to go over everything in these two games. They're both very good for what they are, very impressive, and very exhausting.
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"real life" advance wars with more menus than cheesecake factory
Thanks for covering this. My brothers and I all played it a few times through, but my dad was the real MVP. He played it almost straight for about 20 years, and he beat every scenario on every difficulty, multiple times.
I would say to anyone even wanting to attempt this in this day and age, you better understand that patience is a virtue and yours will be tested! There is a great game underneath.
Thanks for the memories SNES Drunk. RIP Dad, miss you lots.
A friend's grandpa found this at a garage sale. He played for about 20 minutes before shutting it off. His review:
"Holy hell, the actual war wasn't this complicated."
Yes, he was there. He was a fun dude.
😂😂😂
I mean, it wasn't. In this game you're a five star general, army general, admiral, colonel... All at once.
@shinosarna So you’re playing as the President.
@@jcollins1305 Presidents (sane ones, at least) don't make military decisions, fortunately.
@@jcollins1305 Roosevelt didn't decide tactics of individual battles.
This is such a "dad" game. I'd be playing Final Fantasy 4 and F Zero with my brothers, my dad would be playing this and we would watch and have absolutely no idea what was going on, but were totally enthralled. He'd ask us what we should do next and we'd always say attack, but then he'd explain why that wasn't a good idea. This directly led me to get into Civilization, Alpha Centauri, etc.
I'm now 42 and I have a 7 year old little boy, and we are continuing that tradition by him on his tablet "helping" me with a FAQ for Final Fantasy 6 while he sits next to me and I play. Good times!
"Ok, dad! Be sure to attack the Whelk while it's in its shell!"
-Your son, havin a laugh
Lucky son, good father
My dad and I used to play Warcraft and Lords of the Realm 2 in his PC room of 3 computers in the mid 90s. I remember how hot that room always was that he got a window A/C. He worked as general manager of a 250 person call center he built for an entrepreneur he'd been doing whatever job he needed since he was a teen. And these were 3 "extra" computers haha. We still say "righto" "yes my lord" "sire!" as references to those games.
I grew up on this game. My dad and I used to see who could win a scenario faster discussing strategy over dinner much to my mother and sisters chagrin
Did it have 2 player mode? Did you play against each other?
Beeline to Tokyo.
"The most Koei game." It takes a while to even understand the horrifying implications of that statement.
Dude lol. As a PC kid in the 90s.. who stayed with MOO when it was new.. - YES. so much Yes to what you said they're, lol! I LOVEd proper strategy games and games were mostly made for kids back then so PTO was so rewarding for me since school refused to teach me Astrophysics and chemistry in 5th grade simply cuz I can't write cursive
To me, it could mean one of two things: insanely detailed menus on top of menus, or mindless hack and slash. Both have wasted many of my hours.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 300K SUBSCRIBERS!!!
Just yesterday I was (re)watching a video and still was on 299k.This is my favorite SNES/Retro gaming channel, so here's hoping it gets an even larger fanbase.
I like the way SNES Drunk's "THANK YOU FOR WATCHING" coincided with the Japanese Prime Minister's "THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING" on screen.
My Dad played this alot on the SNES he was really good at it.He always played to the high difficulty.
That's such a dad game so I guess it fits
Yup! I'd watch him play this if I was having trouble sleeping.
(That damn menu music is burned into my brain)
I would play Romance of the Three Kingdoms 4 with my dad. Koei was king of the dad game
My dad never played on my Nintendo 😂
Im sure he'd love world of tanks. Maybe don't introduce that, or he might blow his pension on the game...
I played PTO2 extensively as a kid. My grandpa was in the navy during ww2 and he told lots of stories. It made this game all the more special to me. I was hoping you would cover it and was so happy when this video dropped today! 😊
I just realized that SNES Drunk never gave Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen a review.
And now I know what to bug him about.
That is one amazingly unique game. As soon as I saw it, I knew I had to have it and it did not disappoint.
This!
I love the album that inspired the game.
@@Joker22593 Queen II was their best album imo
It is so difficult to manage alignment and reputation in that game. It is easy if you play it like a typical game of just wiping out everything til the end but you cannot get a lot of characters and get a bad ending.
2 hours just to figure it out? I'll have to use my PTO in order to play PTO
...I see what you did there
It took me until my 20s to finally understand how to play Koei's Romance of the Three Kingdoms & I bought that game (ROTK4) when I was like 12 years old. These games are damn fun once you understand what you're actually doing. When I was a kid, I just tried to go full Genghis Khan & conquer everybody, only to get a bad ending every single time. Koei even made the game Genghis Khan which is much more simpler than ROTK.
Koei: the Prog Rock of games 😂
and it's meant for dads too, just like prog rock
lol that’s awesome.
I laughed at that comment too. My dad listened to Genesis and Rush; I drive around with my 7 year old boy listening to Genesis and Dream Theater.
@ronpopeil6346 i have a secret to tell you, your dad LOVES yes, pre-"yes" aka cinema
@@ObsoleteVodkaYThell no prog is badass...
If someone, dressed in all silvery metallic garb, energized into my room last night and told me, “I’m a time traveler from the future….tomorrow morning, you will see the archipelagos of ‘Palau’ and ‘Yap’ listed in an insanely obscure video game from the 90s…”, I wouldn’t have believed them. Shoot to my Micronesian brothers and sisters!
And then, to complete my silly time travel fantasy, the traveler would say, “also, you’ll step in some dog vomiting at 2 in the morning, so beware………”. Then POOF. They are gone.
Thanks to anyone who read this far, don’t let roll your eyes too hard at me. But a special SNES drunk for finding these obscure games over the years. I had no idea these existed!
Nah man, that was a cool comment to read haha. Rock on!
I always find these old PC ports to classic Nintendo/SEGA consoles pretty fascinating.
Great review! This game was the traditional "winter break" game that I always played with my older brother. We'd start a game the Friday we got out of school, and it would always last at least a week or two, sometimes longer. I remember turns sometimes taking hours, so we would have to go do something else while the other person played their turn. It was a very slow game, but that worked fine for us - we just viewed it as a really long-form board game I guess. Anyway, thanks for bringing back the memories. :)
Personal Time Off has way more ships and battles than I expected
Haha!! Every time I play this game, that’s what I think of!
I know you already did the Uncharted Waters games but I feel like the second game deserves a new video! It's one of the most underrated SNES games IMO
Growing up I loved PTO2 and went down the Koei rabbit hole hard growing up - but I also loved Ogre Battle March of the Black Queen and Romance of the Three Kingdoms 4!
OB: MotBQ is amazing. One of my favorites! But it's not nearly on the same league as the Koei games when it comes to nitty gritty details.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 300K SUBS!!!!
this channel deserves a million
It's that game I mentioned the last time! That P.T.O. II music unlocked years from my childhood. I still own my cart of it!
You played this? When you were a *kid?!*
@Fluoride_Jones Probably 11 or 12 when I first played it. So mid 90s I was a kid? Just realized I read that wrong, haha, but yes I did play it as a kid. Best I can say is that it all made sense to me.
@@HighlyFlammableMan You were obviously much more patient as a kid than I was! When I was 11-12 years old (I'm a bit older than you, so that was 1990-1991), I was playing games like _Super Mario Bros. 3,_ _Mega Man 3,_ and _Battletoads._
I remember getting an SNES for Christmas 1991 (when I was 12 years old), and the additional game I received was _Populous._ I had NO idea what the heck to do! 😆
Same for me! I saw an add for the game in Nintendo Power, asked for it for Christmas, and got a copy. I played that game for a solid 2 or 3 years through middle school and into high school. Ah, the memories.
So, what you're saying is that if you LOVE 16-bit historical themed logistics games, this is a must.
PTO II is more vibrant, but it's also even more broken than the original PTO, i say this as someone who knows both games through and through. The funnier thing is, the PC version of PTO II is broken in different ways, it feels almost like a beta for the SNES version in the way SNES has features the PC doesn't. It's got some intriguing mechanics though but the way fleets do business and how land units teleport, etc is just, weird.
To put it into perspective, for example, taking Iwo Jima as the allies is insanely hard because the Japanese can just pull divisions straight out of their reserve and teleport them from tokyo to Iwo in one day, so the challenge isn't the defenders (in fact island garrisons are quite vulnerable to just getting blown up by battleships without much ado) but the endless land units teleporting in, so you have to try to engineer a situation where you weaken them all at the same time and then kill them all in one turn so it becomes hostile and teleportation no longer works.
The conferences are cool as hell but the mechanics needed some work to be something other than 'hella random'.
They don't teleport, there are supply lines 4:57 where you can raise divisions and move them along the line by one space if you have 1 transport or truck. Kure and Tokyo are next to each other, so they can field new units and move them to Philippine bases in about 4-5 turns, then move those to the outposts to make more room. I would move them along China and go to Manila.
You are right about about wearing defenders down bit. The next turn they have 6 avenues of sending troops, not counting your own ships dropping them off.
Total length of video: 430 secs.
Total length of "SNES Drunk": 2 secs.
.47% of the video was spent listening to "SNES Drunk".
Hello fellow statistics fan ☺
These games were certainly a niche, but credit to Koei for taking the time to release them. I like strategy games myself, but you have to be in the right mood for them. Congratulations on 300k subscribers, well deserved!
They made them in the good old days when you could make a game with a team of like 10 months, with a team of 5-15 people, and for like $300k. As long as it sold enough to keep the lights on long enough for the next project to finish it was a success.
This game and the series is known as Teitoku no Ketsudan in Japan, and this game had 3 sequels - although Teitoku no Ketsudan 3, released for PC, PS1 and Sega Saturn, was released only in Japan.
When it comes to historical Koei Tecmo games, I just want to play as General MacArthur and mow down waves of cannon fodder with a comically large sword.
"MacArthur-sama! The Imperial Japanese Navy is staging an invasion of the Philippines!"
"NANIIIII?!"
I think you mean, comically large corncob pipe.
The track that plays when you’re commanding the 1st fleet at sea has to be one of the longest on the SNES. 8 minutes and 59 seconds.
I love the first PTO. The level of detail in what is sort of a proto-RTS covering the entire Pacific War is amazing. It is incredibly KOEI though, this is a game that starts by asking you: 'Your budget is 5000. How much INFO do you want? 10? 78? 400? OK, how much INDUST?' without ever telling you what any of it does.
You were expected to read the manual first. The game isn't intended to teach you how to play it.
Yep was a challenge when the only copy you could find for sale back in the day was he same used copy from the rental store... with no manual.
After reading just how toxic the comments were on AVGN's Sim City episode the other day, the SNES Drunk community is so nice and refreshing. Seeing that this game reminded some people of their dad 😊 I didn't play this type of game with my dad but without going into any detail just reading that put a huge smile on my face and warmed my heart a little bit. I'm being soft I know but it cheered me up in a way I wasn't expecting today 🙂
I’m big into grand strategy these days, and these old Koei games don’t get enough credit for innovation and depth.
Way ahead of their time. PTO2 looks like HOI4 with fewer things on the map and not shits given about graphics. (The GPU requirements for that game are dumb. I want an option for a flat map, because I just don’t care)
They have been putting out sequels to the Nobinaga and Three Kingdoms games for decades and the differences are just… “more things on the map” and “more graphics”. Sadly, no fan translations of any of those exist, so it’s official releases or nothing, and that’s console ports for this computer.
I played the second game religiously when I was 14. The computer AI thought it would be a great idea to suck their entire fleet (JPN) into the Guadalcanal invasion piece by piece as I spanked them hard in one of the most one-sided battles of attrition that I've ever experienced in a strategy game. Not complaining; I had a blast! Koei really had a great ability to present their menu-driven games with an immersive quality that stands the test of time. That all said, I was not a fan of the fourth P.T.O. game, feeling like something was missing...also that Koei could never design a real-time battle system to save their lives.
Lol I was going to say, "PLAY THE SEQUEL!!!!"
But you got it. 🙂
Oh man this was one of my favorite games ever!! I was a kid when I rented it from blockbuster and became addicted to it! They made sequels as well.
Still chasing the dragon for a game like this.
Coming as someone who has Koei games that he loves, and Koei games that he hates, I really want to recommend Gemfire as to the drunk. I feel it is probably the most approachable of the strategy conquest games, and somewhat beginner friendly. Especially compared to PTO/Liberty or Death/Nobunaga/etc. One of my all-time favorite SNES games.
I use to play both PTO 1-2 I would spend days glued to the TV on this game 😊 I loved organizing fleets and hunting my enemies with carriers. 😀
I loved the 16-bit version of this game but it is a lot to take in. But when PTO2 came out on the Saturn, I snatched that up and loved it even more.
Playing as Japan was Hard Mode. With the resources and industrial capacity of the US, that one was a lot easier. It took a long time to build ships. The larger, the longer it took to make them. Japan's limited industry meant losses were crippling: It was too hard and it took too long to replace losses. Meanwhile the US starts with a number of ships already in the build queues and you can tack on more.
I still recall on PTO2 getting into a significant surface battle playing as the Japanese in 1942. The Pearl Harbor attack actually went poorly in 1941 (I screwed it up). I had Yamamoto leading while aboard Battleship Yamato. Ships in the game had a Luck stat. I wasn't sure what that meant in the game.
But during that big battle, one of the old American Battleships fired a salvo that slammed into and smashed Yamato's bridge, killing Yamamoto.
Yamato had one of the lowest Luck stats in the game. Basically with KOEI, if a ship had historically sunk in WWII, it had a low Luck stat. Most of the IJN ships had a low Luck stat.
Also I hope you have a great rest of your day! Thanks for all the awesome content man!!
Congrats to 300K!
I think my favorite memory of P.T.O. was able to sink most of the Allied ships, make good on conquering the Pacific save for Pearl, Midway, San Fran, and L.A. Thinking I judged the RIGHT amount of time it would take the Allies to recover. Then just as I'm about to start that offensive get hit with the brick wall of three fleets of either just subs and an army of light/heavy carriers. HOW DID THEY DO IT?! Still was amazing the massive battle that took place.
I gotta say I LOVE when I discovered that you could create a "mega" ship with modern tech (jets and rockets). I loved using whatever ships got sunk and remaking them into that. Save the Yamato which I decided would just get a rocket upgrade and max the hell out of it's strengths. Did so with my carriers too (at least the flight capacity). That was my little "cheat" to make sure I could have total air superiority.
I was in junior high when PTO II came out. It's easily in my top 5 of favorite SNES games, and I cannot help but lament the state of (Tecmo)KOEI today. Even in the modern indie market there aren't too many developers making games like these anymore.
You've encouraged me to give it another shot. I love so many koei games
You have one of the best channels on RUclips, regardless of subject matter. Every single one of your videos is worth watching!
Soooo happy for you for the 300K subscribers !!! 🎉
Two of my absolute favorite games of all time. I'd spend so much free time playing these games, especially on PTO II. These two games helped generate in me a great interest in the Pacific War as well.
Thanks, for reviewing this phenomenal game.
Oh man, you didn't touch on my favorite detail with this game. The character you play as is in charge of their country's navy, so a bunch of the resource and diplomatic management stuff is done from that perspective. I just dig this bit where your rival is the chief of the army, and if the army accomplishes goals, they gain my power during the meetings, plus there's other ministers around like the chief of the diplomacy corps who spends all their actions pleading to start negotiations with anyone who'll listen to them.
As a Xenial growing up in an age before the Hearts of Iron, EU, or Total War games, this game, along with PTO II, Operation Europe, Liberty or Death, and others were the lifeblood of my digital "tabletop" existence. It was that leap forward from the likes of the Avalon Hill-style games, or Axis&Allies/Shogun Gamemaster games, but obv wasn't quite as refined as our modern historical sims. So yeah, none of those old Koei games really hold up now (though I still love Aerobiz), but damn they were fun, and important, in their time.
Does this mean Romance Of The Three Kingdoms is coming next? It’s hands down my favorite sub-series of the Historical Simulation Series and the Genesis version of the third game is one of my favorite games overall
I came for another KOEI game, but finding "the most KOEI game" in P.T.O. 2 was a welcomed surprise 😅 Thanks for the video, SDrunk ✌🏼 Also, don't tease in-depth review or prog rock breakdowns, I bet many of us would be completely on board 😂
My local video store had PTO II and man I loved it.
The SNES Ghengis Khan game was so much damn fun.
I tried this one back in the day and just couldn't get into it. I was a big Koei fan and would give pretty much anything they put out a try. Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of the 3 Kingdoms on NES were fun, but you had to be patient to give them a go. Definitely not games you rented for a day or two and took back finished. Romance 2 on the NES and the SNES was a lot better. I played and enjoyed both. Ended up buying the one on SNES because it was fun to play through with all the leaders and see how I could do. Romance 4 on the Playstation is where the series hit it's apex to me. Plenty of choices and strategies and enough to keep you engaged for many playthroughs. The problem came to me in Romance 6. Far too much to keep track of. And the AI was brutal. It was a hard game to pick up and go with because it never gave you time to really get acquainted with all the new changes. Kind of the worst of the original mixed with so many choices that you couldn't get your feet under you. The attack happy computer mixed with no forgiveness for mistakes put me off and I stopped the series.
That's a long way of saying that when I tried PTO, it felt the same. Too much going on and early mistakes will make your first playthroughs uninspiring to say the least. Koei was a company that made great games, but got bogged down with advancement as they went along.
Just noticed the 300k subs! Congrats!
I could never get into these ones. I'm sure there's plenty of people who eat it up and they look neat, but not for me 😅 looks like a game anyone's dad would easily get into though, including mine. This, Uncharted Waters, Aerobiz..
Wow. I had this game. I never expected to come across it again. I hated running out of fuel. 😅
Stop posting Koei games, you are going to spike the prices!!!
When I was a kid, my older brother used to play this for hours on end. Used to piss me off because then by the time he was done, it was almost time to go to bed
I remember buying this thinking it was gonna be like a badass war game like Battle Tank or something, then I was sadly disappointed.
Thanks for covering KOEI games when no one else is doing it
My bro and I used to 2-player this one 30 years ago. Slow as shit but I learned a lot playing this game as a kid. Always dug the Hawaii music
This looks pretty awesome. I'm sure it would kick my ass and I'd cry. In theory though it looks awesome.
I remember renting this game when I was a kid and playing it all Saturday night. When I went to church in the morning all I could see was the sea and red screen telling me where I could and couldn’t move haha oh the memories
One of my favorite SNES memories of playing this game all the time. My favorite strategy was having all air units train every day until they maxed out at 60 points experience before they went into combat. Then, after they began their combat tour they would gain even more experience. They were pretty unstoppable. I still have the PTO II poster to this day since I laminated it the day I bought the game
I love Genghis Khan from Koei, but I don't recommend anyone play it if they didn't as a kid.
Invading America through the Panama Canal though...this sounds intriguing!
Wow this is great!! Thank you for sharing! I never heard of this game. Looks right up my alley. Have you reviewed Metal Marines yet? That was a hidden gem for me as a kid. Found it to rent at a grocery store. I rented it like 10 times lol. Anyways it's a strategy game with a decent plot. Check it out if you haven't already
It may be a meeting filled with a bunch of elderly, but that meeting music makes it more than bearable to go through even if it loops quite frequently. It really makes it feel like you’re an important person making life-altering decisions.
Heck, a lot of the tracks in these games are pretty good especially the sea battle in the first one.
Disagree with 2 being better than one. From playing the Saturn version, you can't take all the bases. The game ends when you take something like 2/3s of them, while in one you can take all of them. All the sea invasions are on the same graphical map, while the first each had it's own battle map for each base.
Believe it or not, I played P.T.O II when I was about 15 years old and it was my favorite game as a kid. It made me a lifelong fan of Koei! Based on everyone's comments here, I must've had the gaming tastes of an old man lol.
I play this game called, "work" everyday. It's a shame it never got a Super Nintendo release. I'd spend my in game currency to buy it.
I used to play PTO on SNES, never knew there was a second until I started playing around with emulators. Still haven't tried it and doubt I ever will lol
Love the KOEI kick, bring back such memories.
Please do Uncharted Waters New Horizons
I got PTO at Christmas 1993.. I was a huge pacific theatre WW2 buff when I was a young teen so this game was fantastic. I also remember it being super expensive for a SNES title at the time, I think it was over $100cdn when it was released!
I have great memories of playing PTO 2 on the PS2. It was incredible, naming ships and the battles incorporating air and sea.
Grats on the 300k subs! Definitely deserved!
Congrats on 300K!!!
I wish KOEI still made these style games (but uncharted waters 2 and areobiz supersonic)!
Good review! These games look interesting, but probably not my cup of tea. If I played this as a kid, I probably would have been overwhelmed and bored. As an adult, I like to just casually play a game that doesn't get too complicated and doesn't feel like work after I've been at work. I am sure the game can be enjoyable once you learn all of the mechanics it has to offer, though.
Cool review! Sounds less complicated than trying to schedule my PTO.
Nice reference of prog rock in this video. Hence why I would rather talk about the history of prog rather than explaining every time signature change in a 20 minute song.
I'm really happy you're giving these strategy games a look. Many of them were 'hits' on computers yet hardly documented.
@snesdrunk I love that you try and take the time to understand these games instead of writing them off as too convoluted and not worth figuring out.
If you decide to do another Koei game, I really enjoyed Aerobiz Supersonic.
PTO 2 was probably the best. I liked it better than PTO 4. Never tried the others.
300 K my friend! Congratulations! I am pretty happy for you!
Love all the intros. The harmony and style variations are super satisfying.
Well, what a nice surprise to get this push notification! I’m always strategizing how to use my PTO 😆
Glad you're on a Koei kick! I tried playing PTO II, but couldn't figure it out.
You are so patient
PTO 2 was an amazing game.
Koei's snes era was just banger after banger
This game is the Dark Souls of Advance Wars.
With so many pc ports, it makes me wonder why a SNES keyboard was never made.
I can’t play these kinds of games.
I absolutely loved playing this game growing up and still play it today! It actually was an inspiration on me and gave me the mindset on how to manage multiple business segments in large companies. It is really great and draws you in! Absolutely love it, and PTO II was also good although this one you influence a whole lot more. Oh, and the NCV and NBB class warship is total badass!! I would always raise up the technology level as much as I could early on to get new weapons and tech.
I never played this just because of the incredible depth PTO gets into, but my brother did. He always had a head for numbers and stuff like that. Even now, every year or so he'll bring out this game and play it for a few days, grinding through both sides' campaign. Not for me, but for those who like it, a solid game.
How is it even a question? Everyone loves paid time off.
Video count starting with following intros:
SNES drunk: 866
NES drunk: 1
Segadrunk: 69
Steamdrunk: 42
Without any kind of Intro: 41
Switchdrunk: 6
Turbodrunk: 4
Previously on SNES drunk IS drunk: 2
SNES drunk IS drunk: 1
Previously on SNES drunk plays StarFox: 1
Previously on SNES drunk plays Final Fight: 1
3 Hours of the SNES drunk Intro: 1
A four minute and 30 second long SNES drunk Intro: 1
Videos completely about Clyde T. Dog (No Intro as well): 3
PTO2 is way better, but there are way too many menus and clicking. Every order you make gets double tapped. The game is basically "are you sure" with every minor decision that you spend so much time not actually playing the game.
The budget process is PAIN since being the US, the limp-legged, cousin slammer in chief and the army chief of staff have full card options and love each other. You on the other hand are always at reduced options and they both hate you, which you have to overcome if you don't want the game to assign you constant budgets where the game can auto-fail because your GNP/GDP kept falling.
This has some of the most hilarious observations out of all your reviews.
request: Tetsuwan Atom (SNES, 1994)